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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4 D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Romania

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And all I got was a ^^^

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Thanks, Gerda!

El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have

Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, El_C!

Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!

It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.

PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's February corner

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!

El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems.

Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, ~~BWV 1 and~~ BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Psalm 12 when you have time - what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An edit request by Narky Blert

I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)

To comply with WP:ALTACC, I want to edit User:Narky Blert to add:

at the top, and

[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]

at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?

As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo!

El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prayer for Ukraine

I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day!

El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Wrote the translation of Anna Korsun to German, and began Zofia Kilanowicz, for the occasion. Sang an extra song for peace in rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March songs

I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think you could provide Psalm 92 (and then 14)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. It's been a while since my last concert.

Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To Prayer for Ukraine? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? [4] - composer on the Main page now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy BachDay!

Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship from the outside, but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! El_C 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). El_C 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, exquisite voice today, heard on 11 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I did the thing. El_C 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April corner

April songs

First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.

O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done and

Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This hymn - Das eine Brot wächst auf vielen Halmen - is based on "a melody from Israel" - do you know more? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, not familiar. At least I don't think. Possibly I've sang it during my time in choir...? El_C 08:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

never mind - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! - no idea where the white line below the header comes from which is not there in preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever you have time, Psalm 26 please. (I hate the blank line under the header ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have time (and time has me). El_C 11:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, next Psalm 62 - Wikipedia:Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, 26→62? Exclaim thyself! El_C 09:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

coincidence. 26 was at our church, 62 in the Tenebrae readings for last Saturday, - not working today, still Easter, biking and opera, haven't seen pics yet, but it was just beautiful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Easter(n)! El_C 20:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

it was, thank you, now dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very cool. Definitely deserving of Iced Cream. El_C 13:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight, Symphony with war and peace in the subtitle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So many concerts! You're really making up for lost tyme. I hope all the members of the Kyiv Orchestra are alive and well. El_C 13:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

... look and see and listen: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fantastic!

El_C 21:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

{{YouTube|I learn spamthing new!}} El_C 21:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Bad fanfiction

Long time no see! I enjoyed your comments on the talk page for our Rings of Bezos article, but you'll forgive me for not wanting to touch any of this "viewer reaction" stuff on that page. Said stuff, AFAIAC, is the result of Amazon engaging in tokenism and placing their fanfic characters, many of whom are played by Black actors, front and centre in the marketing, with the clear intent that (a) the "anti-woke" crowd would add their voices to the existing nervousness surrounding Amazon creating Tolkien fanfiction that, in the minds of the general public, will now surely overwrite Tolkien's own writings, and (b) this reaction then be used by Amazon to smear everyone who is nervous as a cyber-fascist. Given that I was already sceptical about the show before anyone was complaining about supposedly colour-blind casting (as I was about those awful Hobbit movies), and that I had myself been targeted by such cyber-fascists (back before the Trump era, when they were just called trolls) on this very site, you will surely appreciate why I find such shenanigans absurd and more than a little offensive.

As for why I say "tokenism" and "supposedly" colour-blind casting, it's pretty obvious that they cast white actors to play Galadriel, Elrond, Gil-galad, Isildur, Annatar, et al. is because they consider whiteness to be a core component of their characters rather than something incidental that doesn't matter. I enjoy the acting in The Mahabharata (1989 film), and IMO the only problem with that film's colour-blind casting is that it largely consisted of a white director hiring white actors to play characters who are traditionally portrayed as ethnically Indian, but they didn't leave Indians out of the cast, and there are Africans and "East Asians" in prominent roles too, not to mention that of the three full-brothers who lead the cast two are white and one is Black, which can be read as a powerful statement on the arbitrariness of "race". The present show, meanwhile, while it can claim the fact that its (mostly white?) producers have cast people of colour in roles that a "traditional interpretation" to be white as a point in its favour over The Mahabharata (where a "non-white story" was made "more white"), it still seems to have made all the non-fanfic, non-background characters white, and I've seen no evidence that this was done for any reason other than that the showrunners consider whiteness to be a more integral part of, for example, Galadriel's character than her being a representative of the Virgin Mary in Tolkien's Catholicism.

Anyway, I agree with you that the writing is poor and feels like bad fanfiction in places. But I have my doubts as to whether any Hollywood screenwriter -- even one experienced at writing good fanfiction -- is capable of writing dialogue like But how shall a man discover whether that time be come or no, save by daring the Door? or Alas that a fey mood should fall on a man so greathearted in this hour of need! If anyone could, they'd be ostracized by the industry long before they were allowed anywhere near a franchise that cost its studio a billion dollars. It seems pretty obvious that Amazon realized their mistake too late to back out completely but not to late to adopt the marketing strategy described in the preceding paragraph.

Anyway, sorry for the rant.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, not at all, Hijiri 88. This is a safe space for rants! ;) Race in Tolkien's mythos (or legendarium as he called it) was always geography based, but even at a relatively young age, I remember it bothering me that blacks (in the south) were depicted in such a negative way. So I don't at all mind modernizing that by adding people of colour all over Middle Earth / Arda. And I also don't at all mind heroines over heroes. On the contrary. I'm currently 2/3 into Green Rider, whose protagonist, Karigan, is a young woman. And I'm liking it a lot. Good character, good world building. I don't mind authors whose politics lean right in fiction, so long as the story isn't expressly reactionary.

I'm biased though, so left and right are not the same to me in that sense. So, when left politics are more overt, like, say, with Terry Brooks' Word & Void trilogy (which has a female lead btw, Nest), that's fine, and those are great. But I didn't even know the other Terry, Terry Goodkind, was politically reactionary (libertarian) until years later when I read it in passing. And I still kept buying his books even after, because they're really good. I also liked the Sam Raimi TV adaptation Legend of the Seeker (++ BDSM!). Which ties to Green Rider as its top review on the sleeve is by Goodkind himself. It's likely that him and Kristen Britain are friends, because the main river in the book is called "Terrygood" (lol!).

But tokenism is a good term for this advent of poorly-written, unlikable female characters in many series and films. Female characters that don't really grow because there isn't much stakes. That, coupled with all men being bad, or cowards, or simply tokens to prop up the female leads (unless the men are of colour), almost always results in unwatchable trash. I think the reason for that is the corporate execs hire terrible people like themselves to write these. People who, like themselves, are imitation-progressives. Largely, mercifully, I haven't seen that trend extend to books (though not to jinx it!). The thing about Karigan, Kristen Britain's female lead in Green Rider, for example, is that she is vulnerable, but hardships makes her fierce, and she ultimately preserves. More of those female leads, please! Anyway, good to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughtful thoughts (as always). All the best, El_C 00:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Check out To Sleep in a Sea of Stars for some decent female lead, and an alien bioweapon suit. The Gap Cycle also has excellent female characters.

The rings of bezos definitely isn't great, but so far I think it's fine. It's got swords and such. I think part of the casting for the main characters is that they're trying to make them look somewhat similar to the actors in the Jackson movies, so they can benefit a bit from fans of those movies. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Rings of Bezos — lol! I gotta use that! Again, unlike many of those who are critical of the show, I was entertained (it doesn't take much to entertain me, though), but I still found it to be trash. Thanks for the books recommends, I'll definitely keep those in mind, though I might order the remaining three Green Rider novels first. El_C 01:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hijiri 88 used the Rings of Bezos above, so they get credit for that. I think I mentioned The Gap Cycle to you before. Best books I've ever read, though emotionally exhausting at times. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shit, I missed that, and I thought I read it closely. :( El_C 01:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but now there's no other option but for you to resign you admin tools for the crime of giving attribution for an amusing phrase to the wrong person. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To quote James Randal: I'm scared. El_C 01:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think my biggest critique is that evil returned from hiding literally the same week the elf King is like "Yep, officially no more evil. Call back all of the evil-looker-out-forers." And the sailers moving ropes scene was pretty trash. "Quick! Unlash the rope, pull on it when it's tied off to a pulley that can't possibly work, then relash it!" And gratuitous slow motion horse riding along a beach with a fierce smile.

Okay, maybe it's not very good. :/ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think, on average, episode 3 actually had more okay'ish scenes than the first 2 episodes (which, in itself, is a blunder), but yeah, as I was saying, it's trash. Refactoring from here. Scene from episode one (verbatim).

Elrond: But Galadriel, as a friend, I wanna know how you're doing.

Galadriel: Get fucked. I wanna speak to your manager!

//And... scene. El_C 23:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But as I was also saying, there's also some great talent pool, but they're just being wasted by terrible writing and absurd character motivations. And not just the cast is wasted. For eg., Bear McCreary is amazing (song spam refactor), but what is with all the repetition? And not everything needs to be orchestral. Jeesh. El_C 23:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just finished the episode and all I could think of was the "you tried" gold star comic sans ms meme. Also, I think of you can single chop through a 2 for diameter log in a single swing, you could probably just hulk out of the chains. I also laughed out loud at the warg.

On the topic of tokenism, I get they want more representation, but getting it by giving the white main characters non-white children seems weird. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That orc was, like, you killed my service warg! El_C 00:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I home I'm not the only person who misread the original post as accusing Amazon of engaging in Tolkienism. ~Awilley (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for the above (I enjoyed your replies, but I can't remember if I used the "thank" function at the time). I wasn't going to come back to this (I found Wikipedia's coverage of modern Hollywood toxic before Donald Trump was even elected -- ask me about the textual plagiarism, OR, and huge chunks of articles based almost entirely on first-party PR materials in our "Marvel Cinematic Universe" articles, and my disastrous attempts to clean them up, sometime...). But now that the season is almost over and seemingly an ever larger segment of at least Tolkien fandom and professional critics (if not reflected in the TomatoMeter, where everything other than "I hate this show and everyone involved in it" constitutes praise and acclaim) have come around to a viewpoint approximating my own, and that the writers all but admitted in the show that they had forgotten who Celeborn was because he was barely in the Peter Jackson films (and seemingly both Ian McKellen and Cate Blanchett, if not Peter Jackson, forgot about him about him when making those Hobbit movies[5]). But I've been reading the Carpenter Letters anthology, and I noticed that in Letter 45 Tolkien essentially calls out a near-contemporary of his (some amateur painter named Adolf) as a "ruddy little ignoramus" who was only pretending to be interested in Germanic mythology as a pretext to advance his own political agenda. Given what some crypto-fascists have been claiming ("I've totally always been into Tollkien [sic] and am appalled by what Amazon are doing to his legacy"), I had a bit of a chuckle at that passage. (And yeah, I know those fascists are an increasingly small minority of people criticizing the show. But it was still somewhat upsetting when one of their videos showed up in my YouTube recommendations because as far as the YouTube robots are concerned fascist posers are totally the same thing as Tolkien fans who like the colour-blind casting and were cautiously optimistic about this show right up until it came out and was pretty bad.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I sort of ranted further about this subject here. But the short of it is that Incest Dragons has good writing and experienced showrunners, whereas Amazon inexplicably gave Bored of the Rings to inexperienced, pretentious writers and showrunners that rank high on the Dunning–Kruger scale. And they are now in panic mode, leading to hilarious contradictions: on the one hand, professing to love the Tolkien mythos, but at the same time, also calling it fascist-adjacent. Ultimately, though, these imitation-progressives can blame the viewers and virtue signal till the cows come home, but they cannot not conceal the naked reality. It being that a soap opera, even the most expensive one in history, will always fall short when it tries for immersion.

That's because dumbing down everything isn't immersive, fundamentally so. Even at the unconscious level, jumping off a ship hundreds of miles from, well, anywhere — is super-dumb. Or surviving direct contact with a pyroclastic flow (and keeping one's hair, even) — is also super-dumb. The showrunners' latest panic (at the Hollywood Reporter IIRC), calling criticism of the show (without qualifications!) "patently evil" shows the kind of people they truly are: hollow and wholly devoid of reflection no matter what. It reminds me of the latest underhanded attempts to paint Amber Heard as a victim (at Jezebel IIRC) despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's because evidence and substance isn't something that matters to them.

No one does more damage to genuine progressives than these fakers. But that's not a new thing. There's countless examples: like, Hillary Clinton praising the incumbent Italian PM, neo-fascist Giorgia Meloni, solely because she's a woman. And so on and so forth, it ebbs and flows, taking new forms, as it has since time immemorial. El_C 16:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't use "Bored of the Rings" as that's got its own article and is a well-known spoof from The Harvard Lampoon. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts by Volunteer Marek

Hello El_C, user VM have reverted two of my edits in the Snake Island article. In one of the reverts he uses a false reason on the edit summary, it's correctly sourced a Ukrainian media and Ukrainian Decree, other user have reintroduced my edit, but I know it will be short loved because Volunteer Marek with his harsh way of editing and it's uncivil behaviour always reverts without considering consensus made at talk pages. Mr.User200 (talk) 14:02, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mr.User200, please proofread your comments, they are challenging to read. Anyway, if you reach an impasse on the article talk page wrt the reliability of sources, WP:RSN would usually be your next step in the dispute resolution process. As for lapses in WP:CIVIL: VM has been a perennial violator of that policy for many years, but nothing has been done to remedy it thus far, save for the occasional warning. And it's especially unlikely to change here, in this instance, for a number of reasons that go beyond the scope of this. El_C 16:05, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October music

October songs

Today is Erntedank in Germany, thanksgiving, and we celebrated our village's 650th anniversary, and had the dress rehearsal for Verdi's Requiem with an interesting band of marimba, piano, horn, bass, timpani and drum, - concert tomorrow, our national holiday. Seeing a pic I took on the Main page was also a nice harvest. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would you find time for last weeks Psalm 48? Turning to the following one today. - Did I tell you that our soprano on 3 October was born in Jerusalem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, happy thanksgiving! Yes: 48

Done. El_C 16:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, - next Psalm 49, whenever you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

49

Done. El_C 10:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you! - new day, another pictured DYK (but not pictured by me this time): look at power work tensions (if you translate) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. BTW, I too am a fan of ~~Judith~~ Bob Weir, even though he does get overexcited a lot (which I mostly find endearing). El_C 19:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! - I did for Leon Schidlowsky what I could, which isn't enough for the RD corner because many things - related to his wife, conductors, students, works - is not referenced. Could you please check if there's anything in Hebrew supplying all these things? I have no time to do puzzle work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the Hebrew page is brief and poorly-referenced. Little if anything of what it says isn't already repeated in its English counterpart, and hardly any of it is directly-referenced. It does provide links to some newspapers snippets (screens), mostly from the 70s, but they don't really say anything too germane, biographically.

Interestingly, though, in one of the interviews he's asked about a Jewish parallel to Che Guevara, and he mentions Yair Stern, which is... novel. But he does come across as a very humane and thoughtful person. Some of his thoughts on music theory are very deep. I'm far from a music novice and I could barely understand half of it. But the crux of it seems to be his drive towards a synesthesia of sorts. Like, referencing Skriabin's view on light and colour, and so on. Again, much of it went over my head.

The Hebrew page also has a link to entries (100+) about him at the National Library, but they're all either physical copies of works, or links to notations and recordings. I listened to a few of those recordings, like Nacimiento, The White Queen, and Golem. But I didn't really like any of em. It just isn't my cup of tea. It's too chaotic for my taste; too formless and structureless-sounding (and eerie), but without any melodic payload. Sorry, I couldn't be of more help! El_C 04:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, this is great help. I had no time to listen, for example - am a bit ashamed now. - So, we agree that the English article is quite good as it is, but not good enough for RD. It was a user's only contrib, did you know? Someone who knew him well, but added no sources. What you could do is, add the interview to the external links, for those who want to know more about his thinking. Yes, it was the mentioning of El C that made me think you might be interested ;) - Thank you exposing the power station ("power work", if you translate German) where I went with my father! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I was unaware, I didn't look at the revision history. Last edit was 2014, though, and not much activity otherwise. First edit (in 2009) was to Pablo Neruda, though, so,

Like. I'm not sure adding a screenshot to an Israeli Hebrew-language newspaper, even if it's my favourite newspaper, would be that useful to an English-language page tbh. The only time I do something like that with a Hebrew source is if it references something specific, with the pertinent excerpt translated to English in the ref. RE: it was the mentioning of El C that made me think you might be interested — sorry, you lost me. El_C 14:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He set text by Che Guevara to music, no more, no less. I'm determined to write about his Missa Sine Nomine, just because it seems an extraordinary idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, El_Comandante, of course! I probably need more coffee, as that was pretty dim of me. Not even a puzzle (on the Gerda-scale or otherwise). RE: Missa sine nomine — cool, looking forward to reading it. El_C 14:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think you could find any Israeli sources for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avi Berman? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the Hebrew wiki page has only three sources, two of them belong to the subject (their own official website and YouTube channel). The other, from opusmagazine.co.il by way of the wayback machine, only mentions him one time and relatively briefly. It may simply be that the Hebrew wiki standards for domestic notability are lower than EN's. But they generally also have fewer sources on average than EN, so that might account for that, instead. But from having read his bio, I suspect it's likely to be the former. Personally, I'd probably still keep it, if I had my way, because what's the harm? To sum up: as far as I'm able to infer atm, while it may or may not be within the scope of WP:COMPOSER, if it isn't, it probably wouldn't be by a lot. HTH. El_C 17:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. - I had this other one, all Spanish, almost there, last day today, then came the problem of the works: WP:ITNN, look for Adam Ferrero. - today's DYK: two facts from the two concert of this years Rheingau Musik Festival I liked best, both a cappella singing. If you follow the songs, you see a circus, where I performed singing, and in the end the whole tent joined for Dona nobis pacem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Spanish one made it! - who shall separate us? - Psalm 52 please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TFA Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56, - third time went well --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! Third time's the baseball. 52

Done. El_C 22:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you - today a woman in red, cellist Ella van Poucke, with a video in the article - will turn to Psalm 53 after this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

... followed by the new hall where she played - I always like to see my pics on the Main page, - then the mezzo of our Verdi concert, finally don't miss Hannah Pick-Goslar, - met a cat today, pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You had me at cat! El_C 07:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

leaving the month with reformation and a cat treat - same cat --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use of inappropriate language

Hi El_C hope you are doing great. I've noticed that this kind [[6]] of talkpage participation isn't a productive one. I have the feeling that simply providing an argument that a co-editor 'is ridiculous' and 'saying nonsense' just because he happens to disagree is not the correct way to support a view. Also notice that the specific user was blocked less than 2 months ago due to socking [[7]]. I feel that a warning message in his talkpage is justified.Alexikoua (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Doing alright, thanks. Unfortunately, I can't spare the time at present to take on any new requests. But if you feel that it's warranted, you can bring the matter for review at a noticeboard, like WP:AE or WP:ANI. Good luck! El_C 08:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A clarification should be made here just for the sake of correctness. @Alexikoua: Fieraku was not socking, hence he was unblocked by the admins involved in the issue. I followed the relevant discussion myself, Fieraku did not use his accounts in breach of the socking policy. Please do not mention that block as evidence of disruption again. Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For the record he was recently blocked due to edit warring. Perhaps a warning could have prevented this sad development but this short-term block maybe force him finally to avoid aggressive speech.Alexikoua (talk) 02:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP returned

You had protected Puyi because there was a edit war for the infobox. You said we should go talk pagei (I dit) but the same IP is not interested in the talk despite he said I should start the discussion [8] could you add semi protection Shadow4dark (talk) 08:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected for a period of 3 weeks, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 08:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appealing my topic ban at administrators noticeboard

I will soon be posting an appeal to a topic ban you put in place for me a year ago. I will be doing so at the administrators' noticeboard. I am notifying you in posting this.

I would appreciate if you would give attention to my appeal and provide a statement as the imposing administrator. I understand a year is a lot of time, and you would need to both re-familiarize yourself with the matter that spurred the ban, review my appeal, and explore my contributions/journey as an editor in the year since it was imposed. I recognize that this is a lot to ask you to do, and that we all are busy people. But if you could consider giving some attention and input on my appeal, I would value that.

Well wishes. SecretName101 (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SecretName10, sorry, but I'd rather not participate. Last time, you claimed I reignited a micro aggression towards [you] and other things (permalink), so that was enough for me. Thank you. El_C 18:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to hear that, and apologize for having been so reactive in my initial reaction and first appeal.

I have not mention this previously on the project, but the sanction was also imposed at a time of personal turmoil for me. So in my immediate reaction and first appeal, if I appear emotionally reactive, it is because I was in an immensely heightened emotional state. It at what was already one of the lowest points of my life in terms of emotional health. I'm rather hesitant to share this as I type. SecretName101 (talk) 18:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SecretName101, I'm sorry to hear that and I wish you the best with your struggles, but even irrespective of that (as I mention two threads up), I simply can't spare the time at present. El_C 18:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I'm much better now as it's been a year's time, and appreciate the well-wish. As I mentioned in my first post, I completely recognize that it is a great time commitment. I further understand you not wishing to exert yourself extending a favor to me after unpleasant past interaction. I do hope my shedding a light does help you feel less frustrated towards me if we ever cross paths elsewhere in our editing in a different context, however. SecretName101 (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For sure; no grudges on my end. I'm just very busy right now. Hope it all works out amicably. I'll update the permalink at AN to reflect the rest of our conversation here. Regards, El_C 19:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bothriospilini

Protection probably isn't necessary there; I have already stopped, and with it on KoA's preferred version they can't continue. BilledMammal (talk) 06:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. El_C 06:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article about French universities

Hello, you have contributed to the request made by Ransouk against me. I have had a dispute with this user for some time now who imposes his "POV pushing" on the Assas page (of which he is obviously a student). He systematically evades my requests to discuss sources, etc., while the offending pages are pure advertisements. I am still a beginner and my contributions can be improved, I sometimes lose my temper, but his behaviour is simply intolerable. Do you think you could give us some of your precious time to help us improve articles (you seem very experienced). Or someone you know who might have the time. Aigurland (talk) 17:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aigurland, you need to avoid personal speculations about your content opponent, such as he is obviously a student. How would you know that? How would you even know that they are a he? Above all else, how is making these speculations without proof relevant to anything? As you may or may not know, I've already fully-protected Paris 2 Panthéon-Assas University back in Feb due to editing disputes. From what I'm able to discern, both of you could improve, and should seek outside input on respective article talk pages — I outlined how to do that at the ANI thread.

While Ransouk should be more responsive, you for your part, should stick to the facts of the matter, and avoid personal comments and badgering them. Keep conversations in one place rather than splitting them to user talk pages (you split it from article talk pages to his user talk page; or from the ANI complaint to mine). Sorry, I'm unable to assist you with the content end of things, because as an uninvolved admin, I am precluded from doing so; but also, this is not a subject with which I am familiar. Again, trying to solicit outside input to these disputes would be the way forward. In addition to the dispute resolution requests I mentioned at ANI, there may be also Wikiprojects which you could seek assistance from by posting a neutral request. G'luck. El_C 18:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're right about the speculation, it's inappropriate, hopefully someone on the ANI can respond. Goodbye. Aigurland (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RE: List of hood films

He's bad HarrySONofBARRY

Please edit list of Hood films 174.247.224.179 (talk) 05:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP, this comment is incoherent, especially how you originally posted it, as an indented comment to an unrelated discussion. What is even He's bad HarrySONofBARRY? Please stop posting nonsense at HarrySONofBARRY's talk page. Please stop posting nonsense, in general. As was already (sorta) explained to you (?) at Talk:List of hood films, you need to provide citations for any additions to the list. Also, please use punctuation and a semblance of readable grammar — this is not a chatroom, and even if it were one, it'd still be borderline incomprehensible. Thanks. El_C 14:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appealing my topic ban at administrators noticeboard [2]

I have appealed at AN Venkat TL (talk) 11:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Need a good laugh?

Despite our recent disagreement, I thought you would get a laugh out of this. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Query on an AN comment

Hey. In your comment here, you made an interesting point about [running] into users that perfected walking the line like a tight rope without ever crossing it in a major way. In general terms, how do you suggest handling editors like that? Both from an admin perspective, but also an editor who encounters that sort of behaviour most days. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TBAN/s, because when, overall, the reoccurrence is consistent, the incremental is still very much damaging and pernicious, even if less visible as attrition. El_C 18:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Yeah that would have the effect of handling the disruption. It's easier said than done though in some cases, but I guess that goes beyond the realm of generality :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Hey, could you take a look at User talk:ButterCashier#Concerns? I'm not sure what's going on, but it looks like something that could use administrator attention (or at least an experienced user) —VersaceSpace 🌃 18:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I missed this, but it looks like they were blocked for 6 months in the end. El_C 09:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request for removal of protection

Dear user El_C, unfortunately your protection of the Pavel Fuks page has left a lot of unreliable information without sources, added by newly created and unregistered users who commit vandalism, as well as their removal of information with sources, including links to official information agencies of Ukraine. Example: User Rolf Linge added false information about Russian nationality in revision 1116409358. (I note that the user registered on Wikipedia and made revisions only on one day - 16 October 2022). This false information has been corrected with arguments. However, a user from IP address 2607:fea8:c3a0:b7a0:4937:d3ed:d8a8:db04 (Canada) in revision 1120158168 returned including the above information. This change was canceled with reasons. Soon, a user from the IP address 45.128.189.62 (Ukraine) in revision 1120380532 returned the above information as well, thus setting up a war of edits without discussion on the Talk page. Other changes were also added, which were made deliberately with the aim of compromising the reliability and authority of the encyclopedia. In violation of the rules, information was removed from the Philanthropy section, which was confirmed by the news agency. I draw your attention to the need to take measures against violators of the rules, to maintain a balance regarding the biographies of living people and public figures. Setting page protection left fake information without being able to fix it for ordinary users without the appropriate status. It is also worth noting that the edit warring on the specified page is not related to the WP:GS/RUSUKR problem, and therefore the protection is not applied quite correctly. -- Ded Prorok (talk) 01:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ded Prorok, I don't understand how it's not WP:GS/RUSUKR? In your the revert, you had removed (in part): Fuks is a Russian and a Ukrainian citizen (diff) — that's Russian (RUS) and Ukrainian (UKR) in the same sentence. How can that not be germane? Anyway, I'm not really inclined to get into the weeds of this content dispute. Try to build WP:CONSENSUS on the article talk page for your position. If you reach an impasse there, you could maybe seek out a 3rd opinion, or even go for a full Request for comment. Hope that matter gets resolves amicably. El_C 03:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ded Prorok, I forgot to mention: if there's a genuine WP:BLP concern that's somehow being overlooked here, you could also raise that particular problem at WP:BLPN. Thanks again. El_C 04:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, thanks for the advice, I will definitely use it. But I want to note that the indication of fake information about citizenship without substantiating any sources does not concern the war between the states. In addition, there are many unreliable corrections that concern the business and social activities of a person, in this regard there are even court decisions against fraud and the spread of unreliable information by news websites. So in this case there is a clear violation of a number of rules, including Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I quote the paragraph: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." So I urge you as an administrator to stand guard over the fundamental rules of Wikipedia and, first of all, remove information without sources, and not leave it to the protection of the page - in this case, this protection played the opposite negative role. -- Ded Prorok (talk) 10:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, sorry, but you are probably confusing citizenship and nationality. For example, US citizens can be Italian, German, or Japanese by nationality (ethnic origin), but have a US passport. There is official news with the publication of relevant documents that this person renounced his Russian passport and, accordingly, withdrew from Russian citizenship long before the start of the full-scale invasion of Russia into Ukraine and has long been engaged in charity work in Ukraine. At the same time, the person was born in Ukraine, always had a passport and citizenship of Ukraine. In addition, there is official information that the person's nationality is Ukrainian, not Russian. At the same time, newly created accounts and unregistered users (I suspect that they are related) provide information about Russian nationality, which is not confirmed by anything at all. There are reasons to investigate the attack on the page and the purposeful introduction of false information by a number of users. -- Ded Prorok (talk) 14:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are quoting very basic things for me, which are not necessary. The subject's renouncement of his Russian citizenship is a WP:GS/RUSUKR matter now, among editors, at the very least. As an WP:UNINVOLVED admin, I am not allowed to involve myself in this content dispute, unless there's something truly egregious, which in three posts now, you have failed to prove in a simple and straight-forward way. Therefore, I explained to you how to go about alerting your concern to other editors. But not me and not here anymore, is the point. Good luck. El_C 14:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Music Vandalism

A user called Binksternet has been vandalizing music templates and needs to be blocked for good. Could you do this? 97.80.178.124 (talk) 21:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Do you mean the same Binksternet who over 6 months ago reverted this change[9] to Electronic body music and this one[10] to Red Dirt (music)? Presumably it's just coincidence that the IP editor who made the unsourced changes in question geolocates to the same place that your IP address does of Gainesville, Georgia? Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a recent thread about Binksternet at the WPO (link), but I haven't read its OP because it's really long (like, scrolling long). El_C 21:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The guy who started that thread isn't me, but he raised a lot of good points on Binksternet. 97.80.178.124 (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as I said, that WPO OP is really long, so I didn't read it and am unlikely to do so. Your OP here, though, has the opposite problem, and is probably worse. It's way too brief, asking for an indef block for 'vandalism' by a veteran user with zero evidence attached. Also, kinda mistaking my talk page for a noticeboard. To be blunt, I'm just that interested. Not that interested in this, specifically, or taking on anything substantial single-handedly, in general, most especially on-the-blind like this. El_C 22:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant was that Binksternet keeps removing genres from music templates without consent. 97.80.178.124 (talk) 02:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I gathered there's some sort of a WP:GENREWAR happening, but you've provided no reference point to anything (whatsoever), so even if I were inclined to look into this (which, again, I'm not really), I lack the... well, omniscience to draw any specific inferences. Anyhow, as I said, this isn't an area that I'm too familiar with, so probably best to bring your concerns to a public venue if you wish to have the matter reviewed. You would be expected to submit evidence in the form of WP:DIFFs, though. Thanks. El_C 03:07, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Hi. Could you please take a look at this edit request, if you don't mind? It has been there for a week already and nobody has a response regarding Tombah's undiscussed changes. I don't know where else to recourse. Thanks.Noha Erssam (talk) 06:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Noha Erssam. I mean, I'll nominally close that edit request, but I'm gonna do it like that because I don't see why it's needed as such in the first place, for a number of reasons. First, the two editors who responded are both extended confirmed, so either one of them could affect whatever edits they see fit. That said, if you don't understand an editor's changes, probably the simplest way to gain that understanding would be to WP:PING them to that discussion and ask them, so they could explain. Otherwise, it's likely they don't even know the discussion exists.

The other thing is that it's not really a proper edit request, just a normal discussion. Edit requests are meant to be simple and straight-forward, like, change X to Y, add A, remove B, and so on — not complex and multi-part. What you have there is just a normal discussion. So, yeah, I'll close it accordingly. But you are welcome to continue that conversation, and I hope the matter of contention resolves amicably. There's just no need to have to go through the confines of WP:ER (which would have WP:NODEADLINE, anyway, especially for an WP:ARBPIA page). HTH. El_C 07:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A request for input

~~Hi, I am Requesting few inputs @ User talk:Dev0745 who seems to have been previously sanctioned by you.~~ Bookku (talk) 13:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry that was unrelated sanction to the topic I was discussing. Sorry for bothering you. Bookku (talk) 15:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Request an account

Hello. I would like to make a request for an account. I have already done three times there, to no avail (did not even get a response on my e-mail once). If you could help me with this, I would be more than thankful. Thank you in advance for your time. 2A02:85F:F06F:9101:5CE5:BC0:E843:BC9A (talk) 11:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. The short of it is that I don't know, as it isn't really an area of the project I'm familiar with. I registered in 2004 and back then, even the underscore in El_C wasn't supported by some Wikimedia projects. Are you still wanting to have the username start with Delta (Δ) and/or have other letters in the Greek alphabet? (If that's you.) Because that should not be an issue now, I'm almost positive. Anyway, probably the best thing I could advise you with my (very) limited knowledge about this process is to post your concerns at WT:ACC and go from there. That talk page is kind of a desert, I now notice, with the last comment posted in August, but it does have 1,000+ page watchers, so someone should see it promptly enough, I'd imagine. Good luck! El_C 13:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a shot, thanks for responding. Does it happen to know an admin familiar with the issue? 2A02:85F:F06F:9101:5CE5:BC0:E843:BC9A (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

can you (or a tp watcher) revdel please

I was replying to you on the arb noticeboard talk page and didn't notice I wasn't logged in, could someone get rid of the ip record [11], I emailed oversight as well. Thanks! ansh.666 00:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure np.

Done. El_C 00:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! ansh.666 00:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN/ethnocentrism

Saw this comment, and was wondering what else there was to this story that occurred after LaserLegs was banned. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These kind of blind items drive me crazy. I'm so out-of-the-loop. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 09:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You two know about as much as I do. I remember thinking at the time: wtf is going on? Did the awesome admin Laser brain (last edit 2021) turn far-right provocateur? But, no, different person(z)! Brain thinks better than legs? Who'd-a-thunk-it! Fact is, I'm usually only around ITN is when Gerda asks me that an approved RD that's about to go stale be

Posted.

But I did notice recently in the (Israeli) news that Brazil barely got away from another term of fascist-adjacent, Amazon-ruining (the good Amazon, the forest) regime. I then added the results of that election to ITN. And I still fucked it up a bit (Stephen helped). I really had no idea ITN had become such a free-for-all cesspit. But I'm sure Stephen had felt that rather acutely, presumably, leading to his now-infamous self-destruction. So, the short of it: you're asking the wrong person(z) about any of this! El_C 15:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please edit the National Anthem of Hong Kong

"March of the Volunteers" is not the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997.

Basic Law and the Law of Hong Kong didn‘t define what song will be the national anthem of Hong Kong from 1997 as Hong Kong is running the “one country two system” rule. This has not be change even China make an amendment to the Annex III of the Basic Law. It only require Hongkonger respect to the National Anthem of People Republic of China, there are no define "March of the Volunteers" will become or is the national anthem of Hong Kong.

Thus, until now, there do not have any offical national anthem of Hong Kong. Please change it back to the correct description — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.166.22 (talk) 15:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the protecting admin, I'm not allowed to edit it per WP:INVOLVED. You've already posted on the talk page @Talk:National anthem of Hong Kong#Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2022, so please be patient. El_C 15:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

you protecting the page which using the CCP version. are you a supporter to CCP who supporitng the gencide and centralized-camp in Xin Jiang? 82.38.166.22 (talk) 16:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I protected the page on the version in which I encountered it, per m:Wrong version; accidentally, also at the same time (to the minute) as the previous admin did ([12][13]). If I were a supporter of the CCP, would I have used the protection summary that states: unrelenting CCP agitation? Think about it. El_C 16:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, IP, I was instrumental in setting up Wikipedia:General sanctions/Uyghur genocide and had been the most active admin in that area, so I resent the unfounded, and just plain false, accusation. El_C 17:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Styx & Stones (talk) 19:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Styx & Stones, I'm the protecting admin, it would not be appropriate for me to participate in the content dispute, of which I am uninvolved, anyway. El_C 19:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noa Tishby

After I make 500 edits am I allowed to edit Noa Tishby's page? Also please advise what wording to use for someone who accepts the Occupation, Subjugation, and Oppression of the Palestinian Peoples Cheers Robtin.Goodfellow (talk) 07:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:500-30 tenure refers to a minimum of 500 edits and 30 days, but since you've been here for several months, then, yes. Still, make sure to not WP:GAME the edit count to reach it, or it'll likely just be removed for cause. As well, I'll stress again that WP:BLP is a pivotal policy, so stating in 'wikivoice' (i.e. declaretively) that she, a living person, actively supports Israeli Apartheid, is a clear violation of that policy. Her pro-Israeli position would need to be expressed in a manner representative of both sides of the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians. El_C 07:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So it is the belief of Wikipedia Administrators that the occupiers and the occupied are equal? Could I write something like "Noa Tishby supports the current Zionist Regime, which every human rights organization not directly funded by the Israeli Gov't has classified as an Apartheid Regime (Amenesty International, HRW, B'tselem)..." And then re-add my supporting documentation? Cheers Robtin.Goodfellow (talk) 07:44, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such position among administrators, but it isn't about them. Rather, the two opposing sides of editors (and some in the middle) are the ones who decide about a given page's content. For example, calling the Israeli gov't a Zionist Regime will not stick, even with sources that support that descriptor. Because both sides have sources that support their respective positions. Thus, some sort of compromise based on Wikipedia:Independent sources usually ends up happening organically. El_C 07:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are legitimate sources justifying Apartheid? Cheers Robtin.Goodfellow (talk) 08:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are sources that support the Apartheid descriptor and ones that dispute it; the legitimacy of either is, well, disputed. El_C 08:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The only sources that dispute Apartheid are funded by Israel. Cheers Robtin.Goodfellow (talk) 08:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, what if I cited: https://www.instagram.com/p/CPoLkLdJCO9/?hl=en and stated Noa Tishby is a self-described Zionist? Cheers Robtin.Goodfellow (talk) 08:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a novel view to contend that all sources who dispute the Apartheid descriptor are funded by Israel (i.e. in all instances). El_C 08:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that tracks. Though, most Israelis who are not Arabs or Orthodox Jews view themselves as Zionists, so it isn't controversial. El_C 08:34, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics:

(Intro)

Somehow I found myself here today

Awakened to these thoughts and feelings

Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming?

A strange sort of spherical sensation

With an overwhelming sense of apprehension

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

So far beyond our reach

Where consciousness coalesces

Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds

The streaming runs of thought goes

'Round and 'round and 'round

Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down

And the earth bows down in reverence

Lest it should be torn to pieces

And blown into oblivi-essence

And all who live will run and hide

And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time

Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of

One's own mind

But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge

Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind

You'll find that everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

(Verse one)

Open up

Your hearts and minds

'Cause I remember

Nothing

One day now

It all falls down

But love must keep on

Loving

So start the show

Here we go

(Chorus)

Dark to light

The day from night

A roll of a mountain

A rip in the sky

Turning the dust to flesh

And ashes to breath

A pull of a muscle

A pin in the eye

An initial spark

To get this heart of mine pumping

And another

To get these feet of mine running

But sadly they've just taken me

To a place

Where all is devoid

Of your embrace

So baby now we're falling

Baby now you're falling

Baby yeah, yeah

Baby now we're falling, baby yeah

Tripping and tumbling

Flipping and fumbling

Flowing on the rivers of sadness

That have been forever rumbling

But from dawn until now

Of all the paths that I could have gone down

Of all the valleys

That I could have been flowing through

In spite of all the chaos

And all that has come between us

How is it I still find myself

Here with you

(Outro)

So somehow we find ourselves here today

A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming

A strange sort of spherical sensation

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

And all of us, we run and hide

Do what we've done since the dawn of time

Peering out through the beating rain

The pounding wind

Everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}[reply]

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Romance del Diablo — El_C 13:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Floral Fury — El_C 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Waking Up → VIP Extended Mix — El_C 10:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Solução Edit — El_C 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

אפילו דקה → Trem das Onze — El_C 14:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Knives Out — El_C 16:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Child in Time — El_C 01:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Free Bird (extended studio) — El_C 12:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody Speak → Nobody Move — El_C 11:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be Alright (Live at One Love Manchester) — El_C 11:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Victory Theme (SHADOWFOX2 Remix) → Funk Fiction Remix — El_C 14:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Intimidated — El_C 15:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seoul — El_C 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fiona — El_C 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sun — El_C 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Parole parole — El_C 15:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breathe (2 AM) (Live) — El_C 13:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dodole — El_C 16:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sacred Moment → Ammonia Clouds — El_C 11:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enemy (guitar heavy) — El_C 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Every Day Is Exactly the Same (Acoustic cover) → Sam Fog vs. Carlos D Mix — El_C 12:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After You — El_C 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Estate — El_C 11:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prelude → Victory Fanfare (Evil Needle X OriJanus Remix) — El_C 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Winter Nights

Winter Nights (full album): Greensleeves → Inverno — El_C 05:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ready To Fly — El_C 13:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny (Papik w Wendy Lewis) → Francesco Cofano Remix → w Peter De Girolamo (instrumental) → Bobby Hebb original — El_C 10:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy — El_C 05:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy — El_C 20:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Hanukkah Waltz →Christmas Oratorio (BVW 248 #41, Aria (tenor)) — El_C 14:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've Been Loving You — El_C 21:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lupin — El_C 02:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Une Sulased → Kiik Tahab Kindaid — El_C 18:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Star Spangled Banner — El_C 00:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderland — El_C 10:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Souffles H (Souffle Your Wig) — El_C 17:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2 Hearts Together (Absolute Contrast) — El_C 10:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Este Amor — El_C 17:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Samba De Luar — El_C 11:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can't Hide Love — El_C 03:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice & Slow — El_C 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Living For The Night — El_C 13:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In The Morning — El_C 06:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nos Vida — El_C 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One Dream — El_C 12:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Secret of the Forest (Flite) → Jordan Chin → Contraband Reloaded → Kara Comparetto — El_C 07:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Grand Central Boogie — El_C 22:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No Mercy → Instrumental — El_C 01:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delight → Slow Down El_C 05:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Head Over Heels → Sowing the Seeds Of Love — El_C 13:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Surrender — El_C 10:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No Stress →Get Down → Human Nature → Dreamy → Flowers — El_C 11:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Prelude 1 in C Major (BWV 846) — El_C 10:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21: I. Maestoso — El_C 23:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I Put A Spell On You — El_C 09:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

High Tide — El_C 02:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

פרדי על הבוקר — El_C 07:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Decisions (AM Intro) → You Could Be (ft. George Riley) → Quest Select (AM Outro) — El_C 15:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Slavery Days → I And I Survive — El_C 12:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dare — El_C 16:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss from a Rose (Heidi Jutras) → Joe McBride → Trinití → David Simmons, Jr. — El_C 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss from a Rose (studio version) → Rick explains (feat. Seal) — El_C 13:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy — El_C 15:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deepstar — El_C 11:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All By Myself (Glee) → w David Foster — El_C 15:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infralow — El_C 13:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jericho — El_C 12:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I Guess You Get What's Coming — El_C 18:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (acoustic, live 1992) → Studio version → Fillmore East, 1971 — El_C 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Open Up → Open Up (Reimagined) — El_C 00:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Me In Mind — El_C 11:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow Moon (w John Hiatt & Herbie Hancock) — El_C 01:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

True Faith — El_C 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

בא אלייך בלילה El_C 14:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Theme That Got Left in the Car — El_C 10:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lotus Feet → India — El_C 10:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Revival — El_C 00:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfuckwitable — El_C 09:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Breathing — El_C 11:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prune Gang Revival Tour → Darkseid / FULL (Soundcloud) — El_C 05:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gleam → Glim → Mystic — El_C 13:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bullets — El_C 10:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Them Changes — El_C 19:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thoughts — El_C 15:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Eyesdown → U Just R — El_C 03:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A New Life — El_C 21:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Press Garden Zone — El_C 15:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fish — El_C 17:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll Find My Way — El_C 07:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lean On — El_C 10:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weird Bed — El_C 03:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hope Springs E

Morning Dew — El_C 00:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delight Earth — El_C 10:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Funk No.1 — El_C 12:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Children Of The World — El_C 05:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child — El_C 22:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lay Down — El_C 14:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Colorless — El_C 16:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Viva L'amore — El_C 02:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Riviera Paradise El_C 10:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Plexus — El_C 13:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual Insanity (Wilson remix) — El_C 12:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Time Paradox (Choma41 final mix) — El_C 01:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Love and Happiness — El_C 16:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

& — El_C 10:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shake Down — El_C 10:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fingerflowing — El_C 11:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Cat Came Back — El_C 10:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the Morning of the Magicians — El_C 22:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mellow → Voyage — El_C 11:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Search for Optimism — El_C 13:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On The Move — El_C 15:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transmissionnn → Txt (MSGS) — El_C 10:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Phenomenal → To Forgive (Letting Go Is Hard) — El_C 18:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gypsy Woman — El_C 22:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Guardian Angel — El_C 13:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for the Sun → Cheers! — El_C 15:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

לך תזדיין (Go Fuck Yourself) — El_C 11:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heartbreak In Paradise — El_C 12:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica — El_C 22:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You Enjoy Myself — El_C 12:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stash — El_C 15:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nsu Na Kwan (Water and Stone) — El_C 21:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Magic — El_C 12:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Twilight Voyage — El_C 18:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear And Soul — El_C 13:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Far Away → L'Uomo Invisible (The Invisible Man) — El_C 12:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wolf Totem — El_C 14:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jell-O — El_C 12:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My Name Is James (Soundcloud) — El_C 12:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Time solo → Another Brick In The Wall solo → Comfortably Numb solo — El_C 14:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And the livin' is EZ

Comfortably Numb (Sophie Lloyd) → Shorts shorts (shorts) ←Shut up, me! — El_C 00:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First Day Of Summer — El_C 13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brazilian Summer — El_C 19:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Valse triste (Sad Waltz), Op. 44 — El_C 17:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No Turning Back — El_C 14:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Come Together — El_C 17:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Miles Away — El_C 23:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tuesday — El_C 14:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can't Hide Love — El_C 14:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noche de San Juan → Pra Joao → Yoruba → Semblanza de un Gigante — El_C 14:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Children Say → La Mer → Sound Of Blue → People Have A Right Of Pursuing Happiness — El_C 14:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ready To Freak → When Are You Gonna Tell Your Woman (About Me)? / Sign of the Times — El_C 16:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

El Mechánico — El_C 11:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anomalous Hedges — El_C 14:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Runaway (Icon West Remix) — El_C 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where Did The Time Go? → Time's Blur — El_C 17:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Turn On Your Love Light — El_C 19:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Going Home — El_C 01:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Severance (title sequence) — El_C 19:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Diz pra Mim (Tell Me) — El_C 15:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reminisce — El_C 17:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

怨恨白昼夢 — El_C 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Falleaves

Autumn — El_C 02:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let's Get Blown — El_C 16:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rest → Reset — El_C 22:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trip to the Stix — El_C 16:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blunt — El_C 18:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It Will Work Out — El_C 10:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Festa Cante — El_C 01:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Into the Fire → Into the Fire (Combat) — El_C 15:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just a Feeling — El_C 16:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fallin' (Francesco Cofano Remix) — El_C 05:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's Not My Cross To Bear — El_C 16:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Man and a Woman (Extended Mix) — El_C 00:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Name Your Price — El_C 19:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Water's Fine! — El_C 23:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Midnight Rider — El_C 07:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One Thing Leads to Another (Extended Version) — El_C 07:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tabula Rasa — El_C 16:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

paradise — El_C 15:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History — El_C 04:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

bossa uh → i'll be okay — El_C 17:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chrono Suite — El_C 09:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Intelligent Design — El_C 03:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo — El_C 00:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brasil — El_C 19:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Flowers — El_C 01:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Local Forecast → +tempo — El_C 00:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Into the Ether — El_C 07:34, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mirrors — El_C 06:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rise — El_C 18:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hopeless Romantic — El_C 17:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dream On (Morgan James) — El_C 15:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FTW — El_C 17:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dreamin — El_C 14:32, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure — El_C 05:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Hazy Shade of Winter

Hazy Shade of Winter (Radio Edit) — El_C 22:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ordinary Things: "The Evil Business of 2021" (December 31, 2021). El_C 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

//bows

El_C 12:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

November corner

November songs

celebrating GW60 - carrying Psalm 53 over from October -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. You had me at blurry cat. El_C 14:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very well said. The cold never bothered me anyway... Begoon 12:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, as always, bro. You know me, c^limbing the branches of TREE(3). El_C 17:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you! - I admire the climb - Psalm 57 please - 3 concerts can now be found together: a Ukrainian chamber choir, my cellist and composer friend's 60th birthday music (with a world premiere and that overview about his career), and Bach's ultimate statement about life and death --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You say that - but here's a question for you - when you drink a random glass of water what are the chances that at least one one of the molecules you just drank were passed by Genghis Khan at some point? Eh? Begoon 14:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For sure. 57 Done. And thanks, I love trees! To that:

Nonno, didn't you love trees as much as I love trees? I'm sure you must have. You must have walked up beyond Canè or up Gran Viso and gone through thinning trees until the last few remain stormed in late spring by white horses. Look, this is a matter of meditation, of meditation where time stands still and whole worlds can be sucked in or out of white and black holes! This is what history is, not the batter of commerce, not the mass murder of innocents by imbeciles, not the constraint of hope by injunction. Trees turn into people and people turn into trees, as surely as a sleeping man in his troubles becomes a cockroach. Haven't you seen high spruce bent slightly in the wind in the ﬁnal meadows near the tree-line, how they sway and soak into bone and skin, how they moan and dance into blood and heart, how the bole is like a tower of blood and bone is meshed into the memory of bark. Dear heart, we destroy trees at our own peril. Or can I describe for you a circle of sycamores in St. James's Park: how their great bowl of air swirls and dances, how their always-smaller-becoming arms and branches capillary themselves in the fortunate air. Here between the halls of a parliament and a banal regal house we can squeeze out a free space for breath! Or in the old oaks and blackthorn of Hyde Park, or a single lost tree beside the Thames. Or the superb deciduous woodlands on the borders of Easter Sutherland and Easter Ross, or the spring festival in Glen Lyon. I once stood up through the roof of a car moving slowly through stands of old larch in West Lothian. I once was mesmerised by a single white-thorn at a junction of the Ochill Hills. I once was unable to leave sight of a single stately holm oak not far from Stroud until my friends half-dragged me silent away. And I'm talking now just of the trees of one island! Think of the trees in the Alps. Or those trees by the railway in Satyajit Ray, in Tagore, or the ﬂayed riverrine memory of Ritwik Ghatak and others in places we've never been able to go. One time, Nonno, I lived three years in an island without trees! And it was beautiful! An island and a moorland and a bandaged sun! Always a bandaged sun! And a moorland made from decayed trees, a shepherd's cloak of peat laid on a scoured ancient rock, across the scar-line of mountains, on schists cooled from the heat of magmas on little protuberances amid the rocking seas. Our history, a seat beneath a bandaged sun: from galaxy to gaeltacht, from binary code to baita, veins and capillaries mapped in the skies, models of life in the code of a leaf, the colours of butterflies' wings more complex than even our eyes. That is why, Nonno. That is why it all matters: your being born in the mountains and then your leaving the mountains and your life in a city, with all the global messinesses in between. If I write these things in both joy and despair, it may be because I've not eaten enough these days, months, please forgive me. --Stephen Watts from his long poem published across two volumes, Mountain Language and Journey Across Breath (2009), addressed to his grandfather, who was born in a small mountain village in northern Italy and who died 30 years before he was born.

Yours treely, El_C 16:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

vacation pics, trees included - Psalm 59 please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

59

Done. Nice (tree!), I hope you had a relaxing time. El_C 00:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

more pics, squirrel, thanks for the Psalm, next will Psalm 60, Hebrew done by JohnThorne already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, I got assistance! Cool squirrel bwo!

El_C 07:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good that the assistance arrived before you blocked them ;) - Thanksgiving in the U.S. - Bach said it in music for peace --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good gotcha. Peace. El_C 17:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remember I wanted to write about the Misa Sine Nomine (Schidlowsky). Begun. Can you perhaps find where the beginning comes from. Or any of the three other texts? Lied and "Ich komme" sound like German to me, but one author is a painter, and the other Russian. I'm just guessing that the beginning is Hebrew, and also the two last movements. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not really up for that. Not in the headspace. I am beat. El_C 14:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

what's "headspace", please? perhaps then I'd understand "beat". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Beat It On Down the Line *** Headspace: (informal) One's mental state. Beat, meaning overworked, under rested. El_C 16:30, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

understand, wish you more rest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Story time

Finished that last series. Solid effort, but still nothing special, although the description of driving a combine harvester through a hoard of zombies was amusing. Just started FantasticLand: A Novel, which is Lord of the Flies meets World War Z. It's set in an adjustment park isolated by flooding after a hurricane. So far so good, a lot better than the Slow Burn books, although still not great. The audiobook production is also excellent. It's written as a series of interviews with survivors, and the style is a great match of the audiobook format. There may also be enough real reviews to make it notable, so maybe I'll throw a quick article together at some point. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still not great? Well, that's... not great. As for me, ordered The High King's Tomb (book 3 of 4) a few days ago, so hopefully, it'll get here soon. As for spooky news, I liked Smile (2022 film), which I recommend, but its imagery is not nearly as disturbing as that of The SMILE Tapes (snip), which has hardcore zoombies. El_C 03:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Breaking news: 4T is back! Block trial; she bought a house. El_C 00:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, today, got The High King's Tomb! Why does it take so long? El_C 01:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a benefit of audiobooks. They're pretty much instant. I finished FantasticLand, and I actually liked it quite a bit. The audiobook format did a lot of heavy lifting for it, but it was definitely a good time. I just started a book series that's so shitty I can't remember what it's called, but it's included with my audible subscription and I need to save up some credits to start a good series.

I'm getting ready to spend another 12 hours outside waiting for a deer to walk by, and now it's actually cold, so I get to mix some suffering in with the boredom. Still archery season, so I get to hope a deer walks up nice and close. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:13, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Deer Hunter? It's okay, while I waited, I read Sex War One, which I don't know why they titled it that in the English print. It actually translates into Battle of the Sexes, including in the English notations on the Hebrew print's inner sleeve. Anyway, it was really bad. Also reread Patricia A. McKillip's The Riddle-Master of Hed (book 1 of 3), and am considering making the Riddle-Master trilogy my next series, as I like the lore and the world building. But there's seven books in the Green Rider series, so if I stick with it (likely), it'll be a while. Aim! El_C 02:33, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sirsi, Karnataka

Thanks Inedits (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For sure. Glad I could help. El_C 20:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-wiki abuse and LTA 米記123 new sock

Special:Contributions/Forever-Young-At-Heart.--MCC214 #ex umbra in solem 17:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like they were globally locked, MCC214. El_C 01:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you User:El C for upgrading the protection of List of highest-grossing Punjabi films. Some new admin User:TeaDrinker came out of no where and started accusing me of Sockpuppeting without any evidence only based on his speculations. Though I have already left a msg on his talk page after his accusation. I am doing my best since the partial block. Just wanted to bring this to your notice. Thanks again and Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunnyKambojLive (talk • contribs)

Hello again, SunnyKambojLive. Honestly, if you want me to look at something, you need to do me the courtesy of linking to the WP:DIFFs in question (all of them, including TeaDrinker's notice to you). I'm sorry, but just can't spare the time to do that leg work for you. But to correct you, TeaDrinker isn't a new admin — they became one in 2007 (2 years after myself). Thanks. El_C 16:54, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User: El C, By new admin, I meant new on the page in question. I left message on User:TeaDrinker's talkpage and he understood the situation and responded well.

As you suggested, I am adding diffs. Some User:Wjsbb made these changes [14] (Also, See his edit summary). I don't know if this user is new or old as it has now been blocked.

But, User:TeaDrinker suspected it to be my sockpuppet and blocked it. [15] (See his edit summary). I am afraid some innocent guy has been blocked by mistake and out of confusion.

The two reasons I thought of reaching you User:El C is that - first, after these latest changes, you updated the protection. I thank you for this as I was demanding it from long. Second, I was also afraid that changes to the page by User:Wjsbb and the speculation for it being related to me can cause me unwanted trouble.

Thanks & Regards,

SunnyKambojLive (talk) 17:32, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, well, that account looks suspect; innocent, not so much. I mean, to suddenly have a new user come around to make edits that favour your position, with this coinciding with your block from the page in question — how would an objective observer not suspect that that is your sock? Whether TeaDrinker intends on taking this further (i.e. at WP:SPI), that I don't know. El_C 18:58, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My position/opinion has changed after the discussions 2 weeks back. [16] And, it is only me who finally suggested how to combine the films from both sides in a single article.

And, every 5th to 6th person in the world is an Indian and can have the thoughts that the suspected account has. But that does not make 17.7% world population to be me. Neither I have this much time, nor am I stupid to do such a thing to cause myself/my account any unwanted trouble. This is clearly a trap but I will not fall into this, whoever is doing this. Or, even if it's all a confusion.

SunnyKambojLive (talk) 08:03, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, those numbers wouldn't trend that way, because editing Wikipedia, unlike reading it, is quite niche, and this is but one article among +6 million. So the suspicion is sound. Now, whether it's instead a Joe Job or some weird happenstance or whatever — who knows. If there is an WP:SPI filed, and a WP:CHECKUSER is launched, then its technical data might help determine if it's

Confirmed,

Likely,

Possible,

Unrelated, whichever. And if an SPI isn't filed, than I suppose the matter would then become moot. HTH. El_C 09:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay ... Thanks ... SunnyKambojLive (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks [2]

Thanks for blocking user:More eminence Inedits (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to help once again. El_C 09:01, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General Q on transfer

ArnavSharma602 Hi there, I wanted to ask that if one is a autoconfirmed user on English wikipedia, does their settings apply to other languages as well ? And if yes, then which ones ? ArnavSharma602 (talk) 00:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, these user rights are specific to those projects and can only be gained locally. El_C 19:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I need your suggestion

Sorry for wasting your time.

I specially edit and create articles about Karnataka's geographical locations, recently i removed Notable Persons list from Some article and I also wanted to remove from other major articles in karnataka state beacuse most of this list includes politician's and tv serial actors, other than birth on that place they did nothing to this cities , I removed after reading WP:NOTPAPER it mentions "Keeping articles to a reasonable size is important for Wikipedia's accessibility", But other user reverted my edits, and mentionied WP:LISTN , I read that topic but what I understand is its about creating stand alone list, for eg List of people from Bangalore, not like Sagara, Karnataka, Sirsi, Karnataka this cities have notable person section , I am confused now about should I keep this list on Main city article or remove it. What's your opinion about this ? , And thanks for reading my lengthy story Inedits (talk) 02:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not a waste of my time. In answer to your question: WP:LISTN doesn't seem to apply so much, except in so far that items in Notable person from should be verifiable, but that's a broader principle, anyway. Notable person from sections are, however, a universal (or near-universal) staple of city pages from all around the world. In some major cities, the list is so long, it is a standalone page all on its own. See, for example, New York City#People's standalone page, List of people from New York City, which is so lengthy, it has an alphabetized table of contents.

Birth and/or lengthy residency are usually the criteria for inclusion for these, rather than a more amorphic contributions to said city. The point is that you probably won't succeed in changing that practice just for cities in one region of the world. You'd need to get people on board with that site-wide (for worldwide). Which would require a much broader, more substantive discussion that I wouldn't recommend you initiate right now.

What to do: 1. If you see unsourced items in a Notable person from section/standalone, feel free to remove em; or, more softly, add {{cn}} to those items and if they're still unsourced after a little while (say, a week or two), then remove them. 2. If such a (verifiable) section is too long, create a standalone page for it and link to it, instead. 3. Beyond points 1+2, don't worry about Notable person from sections. Town and cities in India are some of the worst maintained pages of their kind on the project, so I encourage you to continue their clean up and expansion. HTH. El_C 18:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection

Greetings, you recently speedily replied to my request for a lock on the page Battle of Benadir, I've recently requested a lock on the almost identical page Battle of Barawa at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Increase as well. If you could take a look into it, it'd be appreciated. Thanks. Wareno (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Already protected by administrator Favonian. El_C 19:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ARCAs with very long names

Hello El_C. I noticed you opened a new ARCA (for quite good reasons) but chose a naming scheme that may not be the best. See this edit. Since the ARCA's title is going to be echoed throughout the report due to the ever-helpful templates, we will have a high 'noise level' in the request.

When opening an amendment request, I see that someone often uses a short and and informative name. For example this edit from November 2 which opens an ARCA called "Clarification request: Appeal restrictions as part of discretionary sanctions". For your own new requests, why not use shorter names like "Amendment request: Place AA2 articles under EC protection". And the same thing for ARBKURDS. EdJohnston (talk) 23:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because the original proposal at AN was for both AA2 and KURDS, I wanted to have both listed in a single request, as well. I tried a shorter title, but it didn't display right (WP:AA2, WP:KURDS shown in red links, other issues). You can read my complaint about the perennial problem that that impossible template represents at the amendment request and elsewhere (many elsewhere). El_C 00:22, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unsure how this got fixed, but in my opinion somebody drastically improved the title! Now we have WP:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Community ECR request. If the motion passes, it will need a shortcut, so maybe something like WP:COMECR. EdJohnston (talk) 02:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How to block someone

Kindly guide me to block someone. Sush150 (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLOCK. El_C 17:28, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template editor question

Hi El C, is it possible to give an editor permission to edit specific pages, such as specific templates for infoboxes used by a project? I don't think I'm quite skilled enough to get template editor approval, but there are several infoboxes used on aircraft articles that I have edited in the past that are template-protected now, and we have very few, if any, template editors within the WP:AIR project at this time. If that's not possible, could you consider approving me for template editor on a trial basis? I won't edit infoboxes and other protected templates outside the project's purview, and I will get a censenus on any changes likely to be controversial. (I am currently a page mover, and so, while the skill set is different, I do have experience with special permissions.) Thanks for whatever you decide is best. BilCat (talk) 02:55, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. No, it's not possible to tailor it. It's a user right like WP:XC: once applied, it covers everything within its scope. I'd consider granting you the WP:TPE perm if you categorically promise to only use it on content templates — no technical ones, no modules, and subject to immediate revocation if this is violated. And also, to never, ever use it to gain an edge in content disputes.

First, though, I'd like to see the extent of that backlog, so why don't you link to a few (say, three or four) prominent examples alongside brief summaries...? That way I could get a sense of the general what, the overall frequency of, and so on. If I find it to have merit, then I suppose you'll fly WP:AIR, I'll fly WP:IAR. But if somehow it doesn't work out, no hard feelings, please!

Seeing that you already have the admin-unbundled WP:PAGEMOVER perm, not to mention that I've known you for all these years, I'm cautiously optimistic (that if your examples are good, we'll be good to go). Note, however, that I'm especially busy right now, so expect delays. Have a good Sunday. El_C 17:47, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response and no worries on the delays. As far as a backlog, the only pending need is a Template-protected edit request at Template talk:Infobox aircraft engine#Template-protected edit request on 26 November 2022, which I initiated. I discussed it first at WT:AIR#Template:Infobox aircraft engine. This is the sort of change I would make, and would have done so without discussion, as the coding is already used on Template:Infobox aircraft type. I originally add the coding myself to that infobox in 2011 (wow!), as seen here and here, on the basis of discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Layout (Aircraft). (I can't find the specific discussion at the moment.) Unfortunately, I neglected to add that coding to the aircraft engine infobox at that time, and didn't realize it wasn't there until some time in the last year or so when I tried to use it in an article! (We have at least 10,000-20,000 aircraft articles, but only a few hundred aircraft engine articles.)

Those are the types of changes I would make, along with any maintenance tweaks that might crop up. The frequency is extremely rare at the moment, but I would probably propose some minor additions to the WP:AIR infoboxes if I had the ability to implement them. There are also a slew of aircraft navboxes, most of which aren't template-protected, but this would give me the ability to edit those that are.

I absolutely "categorically promise to only use it on content templates — no technical ones, no modules, and subject to immediate revocation if this is violated. And also, to never, ever use it to gain an edge in content disputes." (Emphasis mine!) And I realize that any other admin who thinks I've misused the permissions could also revoke the permissions.

In using Page Mover permissions, I initially tried to monitor the requested moves page, but quickly figured out that wasn't my thing. I do occasionally see move requests discussions on article talk pages, and have moved a few after they closed if the close didn't have move permissions, by specific request on my talk page, and drafts of other users that need to be moved to mainspace. I would probably be willing to do that on an ad hoc basis with Template editing, if you thing it's a good idea, limited to either fixing obvious errors, or implementing consensus changes to an infobox or other content template that has been tested in a sandbox and approved by consensus somewhere. But that's not something I'd jump into immediately.

Thanks for reviewing my odd request, and for your willingness to help out. I realize if I prove to be incompetent in this area, per the "Peter Principle", that it's not a bad thing to admit it, and go back to not having the permissions. I know that's a big problem with some admins, and they are often slow to realize it. So if I need help to see it, just remind me of what I said!

Thanks again, and take care. BilCat (talk) 19:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peter just called me, and said I'm not ready! See Template talk:Infobox aircraft engine#Template-protected edit request on 26 November 2022, where I was rightly reminded that I needed yet to do a test case first. And sure enough, I discovered there was an error, and quite possibly it was one I introduced 11 years ago! (That I'm not certain tells me I have a lot more to learn.) So yeah, I'm not ready, and may well never be. Request officially withdrawn. BilCat (talk) 08:40, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Good to know one's own limits (I could use more of that!), and also good to break those limits. So perhaps in the not far-off future, then. Yours, El_C 10:07, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. BilCat (talk) 10:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I have a question ? Is it allowed to have "Quotations" on this article, Dobrica Ćosić, because another user says that it is not allowed, so he started an edit war. 93.138.37.156 (talk) 10:47, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. The 3 revert rule is about reverting more than 3 times in 24 hours (to clarify), but that's not really the issue, IP. The issue is the combination of you edit warring and communicating poorly. First, you're asked about relevance, which you reply with a sort of figure-it-out-yourself non-answer: Read what is written in the sources and stop deleting them. But the WP:ONUS is on you to actually explain what is asked. Deferring that explanation is not an explanation; making your burden (to explain) somehow the other party's burden is, likewise, not an explanation.

Then, you're reverted again, and this time you're told rather than asked: this quote has no relevance for the article. Which you respond with another non-reply: just don't like it are not arguments. Read [bare url to WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT] — except, the other party questioned the relevance of the quote to what is currently being featured on that page. They didn't express anything resembling a like or dislike, so how does it make sense to label, and to diminish, their argument in that way?

Again, keep in mind that the onus is on you to explain when your addition is contested, and to do so on the article talk page, rather than through edit summaries attached to brute force edit warring. WP:ONUS, which is a shortcut to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion (emphasis added), says: The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content — that's you, "seeking to include disputed content." Last time Talk:Dobrica Ćosić was used, by anyone, was 2018 btw. HTH. El_C 11:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That. But I don't understand why a user who disagrees wouldn't start a conversation on the chat page, because he disputes it. What is written in the sources is written there and he deletes the sources. I think he should start a conversation on the page, because he deletes sources just because he doesn't like it. For example, under such "rules" then I can delete any sources on other articles that I don't like and tell whoever wants to return what I deleted to start a discussion page because I am right to delete sources, and you start the talk page if you want those sources back.93.138.37.156 (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just wondering if the "Quotations" section can be on that page, if it can then he deletes it for no reason. I think the best solution is for him to put other quotes that he likes.93.138.37.156 (talk) 11:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP, it's not complicated. They felt the quote you added was irrelevant to that article, at which point the onus is on you to go to article the talk page and explain why you believe it is relevant. Again, it's your burden to do so, to initiate that discussion, not the other party's. It's onus, not reverse-onus. El_C 11:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean if the "Quotations" section can be on that page? It can be, it can also not be. The dispute is about whether it's WP:DUE or WP:UNDUE. Please don't try to find a loophole or otherwise somehow ruleslawyer around just dealing with the issue directly in a matter of fact way. El_C 12:04, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now he broke 3 rules [[17]] he returned it 4 times. I think the best solution is for him to put his own quotes that he likes if the section "Quotations" is allowed. This is how his quotes in the sources say what he wrote and said. 93.138.37.156 (talk) 12:16, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

←Please don't try to find a loophole or otherwise somehow ruleslawyer around just dealing with the issue directly in a matter of fact way. El_C 12:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I'll have to go to editwar because it deletes trusted sources without saying why it's doing it and doesn't start a chat page. So then everyone can delete sources and do what they want on wikipedia and nobody can do anything to them, they can do what they want. Thanks for the answers though93.138.37.156 (talk) 12:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you'd rather go to editwar, and probably be blocked for it, instead of starting a discussion that explains why you consider that quote to be relevant to that bio — well, that's you're prerogative, I suppose. El_C 13:00, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hi El C, I provided an answer to your question -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 16:57, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Thank you for the detailed answer. What I said to Barkeep (in a similar question) about the public and private spheres might resonate for your answer, too. I'd also add that I hope you wouldn't shy from a public pushback (even if only publicly expressing a position critical of the WMF) for fear it might risk jeopardizing more productive private discourse. Because there's a slippery slope to watch for there, I'd challenge. Thanks again. El_C 17:33, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Supercars Championship

I noticed that this article was semi'd indefinitely per "Arbitration enforcement"; however I read the relevant ArbCom discussion and it said that protection wasn't authorized as a discretionary action, and indeed 2021 Supercars Championship (which was protected for the same reason) already had its protection lifted. Considering that apparently the article wasn't supposed to be protected in the first place, let alone indefinitely, would it be fine to lift the protection, or would that not be advisable at this time? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotected. Yeah, that's my bad with those. If you see any other Motorsports stragglers that got overlooked, please drop me a line again. Cheers! El_C 12:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December music

December songs

Today, we sang Wachet auf, ruft uns die Stimme twice, and Psalm 24, - after a short trip to Paris before with great opera and symphony, - enjoy! - Next: Psalm 63. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons pre-greetings!

←TREE(3) greetings, even! El_C 12:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the treetings! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Treetings! 63

Done. El_C 18:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! - Today, we sing for a Marian feast, I learned that Yvonne Ciannella died, the soprano who impressed me in my first night at the opera, and as she died in March, sadly no Main page reverence is possible, - at least she had a good DYK, at a time when opera singers were considered interesting. I'm proud today that Christiane Hörbiger made it to that corner, and happy that we celebrate the birthday of Jean Sibelius again. - I heard an excellent concert yesterday, by Tenebrae, and a short excerpt of them singing "Deo gracias" is also linked from my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, that's a lot of musik tidings. Also, heard you were personally involved in thwarting an old Nazi prince weirdo from taking over the country, so good stuff! Also also, while looking for a new kitty, I noticed "Sheeplion sentry" (pictured). Crazy species! As well, while scrolling, I noticed your "Winter but just in a single tree" (pictured), which is a great pic. And also a TREE(3)! Best, El_C 17:41, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Today was a day rich in music, with two new pictures, and also rich in WP:QAI contributions on the Main page: the TFA, 2 DYK and 2 RD with members as principal editors. The church pictured there (not by me, nice snow dust and tall evergreen tree) comes with memories, detailed on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ps: Psalm 64 please whenever it's convenient --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, indeed a lot, but no sheeplion (one day). 64

Done. El_C 13:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Latest pics, with an opera discovery and some snow on trees! Today my talk has a DYK that was planned for 22 November, among the recent deaths the author of Duck, Death and the Tulip, and now a choir pic of "our" concert last Sunday, likely to become next year's lead image. Enjoy. - A free week for you, because Psalm 65 has Hebrew already, by JohnThorne. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice ice tree! JohnThorne whose community ban I implemented — I remember (now!). ;) El_C 05:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

enjoy the season, dreaming of peace! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You've been visited by the Warwick Davis of having a new TV show!

Finally a new show that isn't pure trash. It doesn't take itself too seriously, stuff actually happens, moves quickly, chuckle-worthy dialog (although sometimes it's a bit too campy), and Warwick Davis! It also has a diverse cast without seeming forced out performative like Bored of the Rings. It's not amazing, but solidly entertaining. And so far there's only one stupid shoulder strap/pauldron and one stupid melee weapon. Only thing it's missing is Val Kilmer. If you haven't checked it out yet, I endorse it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A bit. The ghost of Warwick Davis past, even! Yeah, it's been pretty nice, even if limited. And he's great, exceptional depth even when campy. Felt a bit uneasy of having an entire species of little persons tbh — the way it looked with tens of them cast... I dunno, border-line exploitative? But at least the show isn't as insufferable as The Rings of Bezos. Quite the contrary, as mentioned, it's pretty fun-in-the-black-sun. Though, as also mentioned, limited wrt to immersion, especially world-building scale — and I'm not just talking about breaking through the cave walls somehow to arrive at the <spoilers> (they went in opposite directions!). Also, a super-soul, sub-magic Empress implies an empire — so maybe Lucas is working on having the The Empire Re-striking Back, but this time its dominion maintained by love-magic? Either way, I'll be tuning in next week. El_C 17:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not too bothered by the little people civilization, as it's a pretty common "fantasy race." I feel it might be a better way to handle it than using camera tricks with other actors as all of the Tolkien adaptations have. There's probably a whole body of academic work on the subject. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not bothered so much as a bit of a hmm. I also thought Jackson did a good job with the Hobbits. BTW Dragon Age: Absolution was released today — Netflix, so there's Hebrew subs in the subpack (unlike in Hungarian Willow!). I'm, like, 10-min in, so we'll see how it glows. As a red-blooded un-American, I of approve of lesbian leads. Fond memories of Origins and II and Inquisition — not sure if you played any/all. Apparently, no. 4, Dreadwolf, has been in development since... 2018. Well, at least they didn't release it broken, like 90 percent of all AAA games these days. (Maybe decompile the shaders first rather than on-the-fly in your Unreal Engine 4 DS thingie?) Blg! El_C 20:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I played all three, and enjoyed them. Inquisition was a bit odd with the open world single player MMO thing, but still fun. I don't know if I'll watch the show because my wife normally isn't down for animated shows like that, despite her love of comedy animation.

I've been playing a solidly not AAA game, Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord, which I may have mentioned. My wife, who I paid a lot for, had twins! And my younger brother is being held prisoner by the Battanians. That's fine though, because I have the king of Battania in my dungeon, along with a dozen of his lords. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice!(?) What graphics settings are you running it at (in your old ass machine that makes mine seem new)? Is the game optimized okay? From what I seen, it looks pretty dope. El_C 00:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I play it on my ps5, so I think it's max settings. I played the original Mount & Blade on a toaster, so I imagine it's reasonably well optimized. Battles will just have fewer people on screen, and more waves of reinforcements. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I forget what decade I'm in sometime. You don't have to worry about shaders and so on with a console monolith, but I haven't owned a controller since the N64. Auto-aim is for the weak! Recently, NoPixel banned controllers (well, there is a whitelist for special needs, but otherwise) — good stuff, Koil! Anyway, I stopped buying games on release years ago. Even when it isn't a shitty port, game companies no longer give a fuck that their game actually function on release. You'll see, next, we'll have to pay for a shader-decompiler DLC. ;) I remember what a revelation mouse and keyboard were on Counter-Strike beta 3. I had a 32mb GPU back then. Today, I have an 11 million mb GPU, which does great, but only if the game is actually meant to run. Apropos NoPixel, one exception to that was Red Dead Redemption 2. I got it on release. And it looked amazing, it ran amazing, it was amazing. But that's Rockstar Games, who are really in a league of their own, at least for their big flagships. El_C 14:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I bought Bannerlord at release because I was an early supporter of the original, and knew I'd like to be addicted to it ASAP. I do miss my PC gaming, but I haven't turned my PC on in a few years now. Too busy to spend 60 hours a week playing dwarf fortress.

In other news, it's cold out and I have an intermittent uncontrollable shiver. Might be time to head inside soon. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Deer Hunter outside right now? Just use an AWP from your window, caveman! El_C 14:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No rifle hunting in my state, so no dice on that. I did just buy a new gun, which isn't legally a firearm because it's a muzzleloader. That's rifled, but doesn't count as a rifle. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's official, you're a pirate now! El_C 15:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After I got back from hunting I figured it was time to continue my campaign against Battania in Bannerlord. Returning to my city to offload my spoils I figured I'd chat with my wife. Turns out, she doesn't like me. -1 relation. :( Maybe that's why she hasn't gotten pregnant recently. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are a terrible heroin! El_C 00:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ygm, btw. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:36, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Problems

Please take a look at this thread. Sloppyjoes7 is already Tbanned in another topic area, but there seem to be serious CIR issues that might indicate the need for an AP2 Tban. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 02:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No thanks! Also, I don't have a firm recollection of this person, but it seems to be fairly clear-cut WP:CIR (American conservative talking points WP:SPA variety, with plenty of WP:SOAP). Looking back at the ANI TBAN proposal from April, as my closing states: it had "unanimous or near-unanimous support." So, it was pretty cut and dry. Yet, they claimed the sanction was "utterly unfounded," somehow, though never went on to explain how or why — admittedly, it'd be challenging, rhetorically, since in reality, the continuum is minority→majority→unanimity (i.e. a proposal cannot get approval that goes beyond unanimous, by definition, it's the max).

That ("utterly unfounded" bit) was from their unblock request, after they had violated the afroementioned WP:GENSEX TBAN, presumably never having clicked on WP:BROADLY, maybe not even WP:TBAN. They also mentioned in that unblock request that "[they] simply haven't gone through the process to appeal [the TBAN] because [they] haven't had time." Them expecting to succeed in appealing a sanction that was passed unanimously is... well, ambitious.

But it's whatever. A WP:CBAN, or another TBAN, if I were you, I'd offer the two choices at a new ANI proposal (feel free to link my reply here). A cursory glance shows that they did in fact keep to their GENSEX TBAN after the block. They didn't even mention gender when praising/normalizing Matt Walsh, one of the most prominent transphobes of our age, so there is that. The point is that I'm not gonna do anything singlehandedly, mostly because having to deal with two serious WP:AP2 thingies in 2 days (thingie 1) is a bit rich for my palate. HTH. El_C 17:24, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

I wanted to thank you for realizing and addressing your mistake on AE with regards to Olympian.[18] I was on AE and was confused by your first response to Olympian and decided to dig into and put forth the facts about the situation[19], considering I was given a temporary topic ban for misrepresentations more extreme than Dallavid was putting forward against Olympian, and included entirely false claims against me which I'd also refuted but went missed, was confused with everything else, or ignored.

My situation as this appeal shows, including the imposing admin's statement, was such that the imposing admin was and still is confused on what happened to the point they're stating things the accuser did and putting that on me, among other evident confusion.[20][21][22]. I didn't want Olympian to have a similar decision made against them because of misunderstandings on what happened. I can understand that these situations can get convoluted and it's hardly easy to fully grasp them. Thanks! Saucysalsa30 (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saucysalsa30, here's the reality: yours is a bad appeal. It's too long, with text to diff ratio being too skewed. It appears too carelessly put together, like linking internal links externally — for example, the troll stuff makes it seems like you have actual diff evidence for that, but instead, it's just items (1, 2) that any reviewer of a board as specialized as AE would already be familiar with. Thus, a presentation that's too convoluted and carelessly put together will push away outside reviewers. As soon I seen that troll stuff in that last paragraph of your appeal, I pretty much already decided I wasn't gonna review it further, for that reason, but also because of its overall WP:NOTTHEM tone, a maxim that your appeal navigates rather poorly.

A pivotal problem with your appeal is that it expects an outside reviewer to already be familiar with the case in question (or review a very lengthy AE report, where you write at great length). When it comes to appeals I know nothing about, if evidence and summaries are not spoon-fed to me in a concise and coherently-organized form, I usually just don't bother. And I'd wager that most are like me, usually prioritizing their WP:VOLUNTEER time to those that do put that care and attention. Anyway, no need to reply, but at least now you know how it actually works. HTH. El_C 12:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@El C I appreciate the knowledge about this esoteric space. My statement was on the original AE report which I linked, so I didn't feel a need to copy all of the same diffs again. I know now that may be necessary for the future. Considering the original report almost entirely comprised misrepresentations and flat-out falsities, it does take more effort to address things that are false than otherwise but I get your point.

I wasn't joking about the trolling. Blatant personal attacks, including one of those I noted in my first statement on the original AE report, "Saucysalsa30 has a reputation as a remarkably extreme pro-Iraqi Ba'th Party partisan editor" [23], and this is one example among many such as the absurd extreme of accusing me of real-life off-wiki threats[24], are insulting and common for the editor's interactions with me. Either such attacks are legitimately poor conduct by this editor or trolling, and in such cases when editors behave in this manner, it is often actioned by admins.

What was proven since the original AE report is that it was based on misrepresentations and false accusations, like Dallavid's accusations against @Olympian in whose case I helped you to understand the situation better when it was looking like a sanction would happen against them[25], and after the AE report as proven with diffs that the imposing admin misinterpreted the matter to such a degree that they assigned the accuser's actions as me having done them and cast aspersions, which is not right.

Since you mention it, an admin (I don't want to call out names without you asking) actually did some outside review and asked me questions about it including accusations on IRC and after I addressed it, they concluded it was a "miserable" situation and a "mess" among other unsupportive description of the sanction. It's more than clear by this point that the sanction was made on a misinterpreted basis and I'm happy with the knowledge that the imposing admin Acroterion confirmed this unintentionally, and that an outside admin does not support action taken. That the issue about this is with the appeal's structure and what it should contain relative to the original report is good news too.

Given your knowledge sharing, may I request withdrawing the request after making a closing comment? Saucysalsa30 (talk) 13:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saucysalsa30, I'll be blunt: you didn't help me with Olympian's case. They pinged me about something I overlooked, which I then corrected. What you seemingly did, rather, was thank me for that correction, then tried to piggyback your own appeal as some kind of parallel. Which I suspect is not the case, but regardless, you're still doing the thing which I cautioned you against above — a skewed text to diff ratio. You're navigating evidence to summary coherence and organization poorly. Actual real-life off-wiki threats should be forwarded to ArbCom or T&S, but the diff you provided is of a lengthy WP:TEXTWALL. A brief quote of the purported threat from that diff is what's needed with evidence like that. So, still too raw and unrefined, still too lengthy on both the front and back ends. In answer to your question, if you wish for me to close your appeal as withdrawn, I can do that for you. Please confirm. El_C 13:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@El C Sorry, I missed this earlier. To be fair, I'm not making an AE appeal here, and I provided diffs for everything needing one. Regarding TheTimesAreAChanging's WP:TEXTWALL, here's the relevant quote. "And that's before we get into the "fan mail" that I am quite certain Saucysalsa30 sent me IRL during the height of our previous dispute in 2021, and which I can email to anyone who is interested. Dated March 15, 2021, two ... and sent from North Carolina to my home address in Illinois, it reads (in all caps): "YOU REALLY NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THE EDITS YOU MAKE ON WIKIPEDIA. OK??????"

The dispute they refer to happened in January 2021, not in mid-March, and which EvergreenFir shut down, telling TheTimes to "stop the bullshit"[26][27]. I only had one edit adding anything to an article in March 2021[28]. The reason for the flippant falsehood regarding dates is not clear. Yes, Barkeep49 did take it up with ArbCom[29][30][31] Barkeep49 [32] and given the extreme of this accusation and TheTimes' claim of having private evidence, deleted the whole ANI section[33]. ArbCom refused to consider TheTimes' accusation according to Barkeep[34]. Out of curiosity why was nothing done about a user making a blatantly false accusation against me that I made real-life threats, which is accusing me of what is a crime in many/most US states?

I'm sorry to say that your suspicion is incorrect and the extent of mispresentations and blatant falsities (all proven as such in the original AE report, so I won't be copy-pasting here) from TheTimesAreAChanging were far worse than the simple misrepresentation Dallavid was making regarding Olympian. For what it's worth, Olympian did thank me for my comment clearing up Dallavid's accusations.[35] Thanks again for actually taking a second look at their case and more importantly owning up to and fixing your misunderstanding. There is another who could learn from you[36].

My regards to DragonflySixtyseven too for taking the time for outside review on Nov 27 over IRC regarding the original AE report against me, which I mentioned in my last reply. I know each admin may have different perspectives and judgements in these matters. DF isn't involved in AEs, but apparently would not have decided as Acro did.

"I can do that for you. Please confirm"

Yes, confirming. It doesn't look like any other admins are going to bother looking at it given your comments here, that an uninvolved admin considered the situation/tban a "mess", and that there's only a small number of admins who appear active on AE. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 03:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saucysalsa30, again, I'm just explaining to you how things work in practice, from the benefit of my experience as a sanctioning admin who had faced several tens of appeals — maybe one or two of these succeeded (those that I opposed, at least, which were the vast majority, so omitting the ones where I lifted my own sanction). So I don't need all this background. I'm unlikely to look into the particulars of this case. You should know, though, that exceeding the word limit by so much, as you did in the original complaint (the limit is 500, you're close to 3,000), in itself, could be cause for sanctions, and it greatly hindered your defense. Also, in future, please don't try to WP:GAME the system with collapsed texts. Those are covered in the word count. (You're not the first nor likely the last user whom I warned against attempting to circumvent the word limit in that way btw).

Sure np, I'll close your appeal as withdrawn. But one final note concerning your doesn't look like any other admins are going to bother looking at it — that may well be so (though still far from being a given). I've seen especially poor appeals that no one commented on except for the appellant and the sanctioning admin (it happened to me multiple times) to the point that the appeal just got auto-archived after like a month or so. As noted, the less coherent and cohesive an appeal is, the less chance outside reviewers are gonna bother. But it also ebbs and flows unpredictably. Some appeals sit untouched for weeks until suddenly a bunch of folks show up to comment on em. Ultimately, few appeals succeed overall. Because experienced editors might be better at writing good appeals, but they face a high bar and burden. Whereas inexperienced ones generally just don't know how to write good appeals. Often, they do what you did: throw too much material at reviewers. So there you go, free knowledge of Wikipedia arcana from me to you. El_C 04:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@El C Question for clarification: My understanding, and from what I've seen, was that each statement by a user in response to others is taken separately for word count. From here, I put my opening statement, dated 19:30, 30 October 2022, into the provided word count tool and it was exactly 500 (signature and date not included). Do you mean all statements by a single user, original and follow-ups, combined must not be more than 500? Also, yes, the collapsed follow-up was probably unnecessary since it was addressing off-topic accusations and false statements.

Thanks for the knowledge sharing. I've seen sections get archived after about 10 days of inactivity. Does the bot have a variable schedule or are there factors other than inactivity that determine after how long it archives? Saucysalsa30 (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saucysalsa30, 500 total, but no one would really care if you were to add even another 500. It's when it gets more to the thousands of words, that's when it'll start to be seen as a problem. But at least you used green {{collapse top}} instead of yellow {{hat}} that's used for closing reports on that board — a while back, several folks began using the latter, which got rather visually jarring (i.e. hatted comments alongside or within hatted closes). Generally, if one wishes to remove stuff from their own section to make way for something else, it'd be sorta expected that a diff or diffs of the removal be noted after the change is made. But hardly anyone bothers doing it, or on the enforcement level, cares if they do. Unless something specific is removed which was directly replied to, then it gets more problematic (but still very much doable). HTH. El_C 15:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @El C, all of this is good to know although the caveats make it somewhat ambiguous. This is outside of my area of expertise and there's likely people at or associated with WMF responsible for creating and improving processes, but given all the complexities and issues with processes, policies, or simpler things like formatting, I feel like there's room for improvement. If I have ideas, I'll submit to the Village Pump. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 03:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure np. But I'd suggest for you to work on understanding the system better before submitting major improvements. Especially on a day like today, when many months worth of suggestions for improvements had reached a milestone. Also, the WMF knows even less about these processes and procedures than you do. El_C 04:33, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New account

Hi ElC, hope you're doing well. Could you take a look at the WP:NOTHERE user TurkicEtymology (talk · contribs)? They were reported for edit-warring but for some reason not blocked yet. They breached however many guidelines/policies already and clearly aren't here to build an encyclopedia. In Urfa alone, I think they made like 7 reverts in 24 hours. Apparently they're also stalking me in other articles. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 09:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have removed pages worth of sourced anti-Azeri content on pages about Armenia, and you're bashing me for removing irrelevant content? Main pages exist for a reason. Concision is a thing. TurkicEtymology (talk) 09:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked indefinitely. El_C 15:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Translated article

Hi El C! Do you know if I have to put some template on the article to specify that it was translated from another wiki?[37] On the Italian Wikipedia we have this rule. Thank you! Mhorg (talk) 11:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. No, you don't have to use a template, but you do have to satisfy the attribution requirements — which you did meet in the above diff. See WP:TFOLWP for the documentation. HTH. El_C 15:26, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Should we protect some articles during Russian invasion of Ukraine?. Thank you. Lemonaka (talk) 21:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lemonaka, may have been involved in what sense? El_C 03:56, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, El_C, you protected two articles, Zaporizhzhia Oblast and Kherson Oblast. Emm, maybe you want to protect another two articles I noted on that thread? Lemonaka (talk) 10:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Oh, I did? Okay. I've surpassed 10K protections last month, so it's sometimes hard to remember. Anyway, I replied in that thread. Cheers! El_C 11:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April is a cruel time; Even though the sun may shine

Discussion at WP:HD § Qrep2020

You are invited to join the discussion at WP:HD § Qrep2020. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:52, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi EL C. Just letting you know about this as a courtesy since you're name appears in the Reddit link that the OP added as part of their question. Maybe you could provide some suggestions to the IP asking the question. Personally, this type of thing seems beyond the scope of the Help Desk. It also seems to be something related to some currently ongoing discussions (BLPN and article talk page); so, I'm not sure how starting another one at the Help Desk is going to help resolve things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marchjuly, a Reddit thread from 8 months ago where Elon 'stans defend moi. Incredible. And wow, a lot happened since then. Remember how great it when after everyone warned Elon against impersonations on un-verified Twitter Blue, but of course he didn't listen, so it ended up costing fellow plutocrats like Lockheed Martin (get fucked, merchants of death) and Eli Lilly and Company (get fucked, drug profiteers) billions from impersonators? *Chef's kiss*

Or how about just yesterday's ultra-free speeching in the Thursday Night Massacre. I love how he then makes a poll asking whether those reporters should be unbanned, but it doesn't go his way the first time (majority says yes), so he makes a second poll, which also doesn't go his way (majority still says yes) — as the saying goes, if at 3rd you don't succeed... Contrast that with unbanning neo-Nazis like Andrew Anglin... What a crypto adventure.

Anyway, regarding QRep2020: they were un-p-blocked from the Elon Musk bio by Galobtter. I don't recall the circumstances of the unblock, but they (Galobtter) might be able to offer more insights than myself into whatever is going on now. As for myself, anything concerning QRep2020 started and ended in April. Speaking of which, I'm April-merging this thread with the one below due to... April. El_C 03:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for rehashing old stuff. I should've looked a bit more closely at things to see that most of was related to some past dispute and not something new. I didn't mean drag you back into a bunch of pre-existing messiness. FWIW, I don't use either Twitter or Reddit and don't really know how they work. My knowledge of them is limited to what I might read in the news. Anyway, the OP who posted at the HD has been indefinitely blocked; one unblock request has already been declined and the second one is likely to be declined as well. So, there's nothing really more to do here. Again, I apologize for adding some drama to your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:49, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you're on TV!

Or something close to it (around 3:32, there's a screenshot of the Che pic from your userpage, alongside a go-off about Wikipedia admins being biased). I may write something about this for the Signpost this month; would you be interested in giving a comment? jp×g 22:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On further analysis, this is a repost of a video made in April, so never mind. jp×g 22:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JPxG, yeah, we discussed that John Stossel video when he originally uploaded it to YouTube (link). I don't remember if the Signpost covered it at the time (and am too lazy to check), but I'm pretty sure WPO did (still too lazy to check). BTW, Twitter is so broken right now, the damn thing didn't even load for me. Apropos above. El_C 03:35, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated personal attacks

Hi El C, hope you're doing well. I keep getting personally attacked by user Utku Öziz (talk · contribs). First in Erzincan where they accused me of wild claims with nothing to back up their statments [38] (I don't even know the user in question they accused me of "collaborating"). After I warned them, it didn't seem to work as they kept throwing personal attacks one after another despite me telling them to stop, [39] with the personal attacks. In the last conversation, they keep insisting (and edit-warred) on adding a genocide denier's "review" to an academic publication's article, which I explained them in detail why is unacceptable. They refuse to acknowledge having done any personal attacks. Idk what else to do and how to interact with this user. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 16:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @El C I saw that my name was tagged on your page and I am very sorry as I was open to discussion with a fellow Wikipedian. Sadly WP:SOCKPUPPET has become very common in Wikipedia and sometimes these coincidences make me think of such cases. However, I did not file a complaint unlike @ZaniGiovanni as I want to have a constructive discussion and edit together. But when I saw the pattern of reverting and that @ZaniGiovanni stating the WP:3RR with the same user twice I found it suspicious. Also my entire edits were being reverted in other pages too. So it seemed as though the user was following and reverting my sourced edits. He was stating one rule that applied to one source that I have shared and he was reverting the entire edit with it. Our interaction started with @ZaniGiovanni reverting my sourced & photographically documented edits. Furthermore, he reverted my edits using WP:PRIMARY in the article Erzincan. However another WP:PRIMARY source from the same person (Karabekir) is in the article and is still in that article. So mentioning one account about a person and not the other does not make sense in my mind he did not reply to it still when reverting. I did not make any attacks to his personality nor made any comment on his beliefs, opinions etc. nor did I use any profanity. However he used words like nonsensical rant to describe my comments. He posted some of the Wikipedia rules on my page which implied that he was accusing me. I thought what he did seemed exactly like those rules and I wrote the same rules again. Is saying that a personal attack? I may not know what is considered personal attacks fully on Wikipedia. If there is a page I would be happy to learn. If my descriptions are personal attacks than I apologize for these from @ZaniGiovanni. However there was also an IP on the same article that made its first edit ever on this topic. The Great Game of Genocide: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia 9 minutes later user @ZaniGiovanni deleted my edit. The Great Game of Genocide: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia. This IP used the word WP:FRINGE in its edit to my sourced and verifiable edit which is used in many sources already and on my next edit @ZaniGiovanni also said WP:FRINGE to what I wrote in a different article. These coincidences seemed WP:SOCKPUPPET. On my user page I also told him that "I am sorry if you are offended" and earlier I also told him that "I really want us to have a constructive dialogue". I still want to have such dialogues but it seemed that he was following my other edits and deleting my contributions including images. I did not go to other articles that @ZaniGiovanni is editing and started reverting his edits. Utku Öziz (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're not the first person to make baseless accusations on top of personal attacks. After so many times of personally attacking me and refusing to acknowledge anything on top (even now you're not acknowledging anything with this "If my descriptions are personal attacks..."), you're now making sockpuppet accusations with no evidence. I've had enough of this nonsense. Instead you should try to stop pushing state sponsored denialists as "review" of academic WP:RS, or extremely WP:cherry-pick a single picture out of an academic book to post it in the article by all means possible, ignoring any reason on your talk page. However he used words like nonsensical rant - You mean the baseless accusations not only towards me but other user, and personal attack rant I removed that had nothing to do with the discussion? [40]. You also mention Karabaker, an unreliable primary source who was literally the commander of Turkish forces at the time, but don't mention the discussion that had the same things mentioned by other users and how Karabakeir is far from RS and is primary? All of these just reeks of incompetence, the personal attacks and baseless accusations of "socking" now. I believe enough is enough. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @ZaniGiovanni you may be a great guy and we might be good friends if we ever meet. This however is one thing and our actions are another. Now I understand Karabekir being a primary source however his primary source is used in the article already about Arshak Jamalyan. Another source written by Karabekir where he mentions again Arshak Jamalyan is deleted. This does not make sense to me how should it make sense? I do not think I am being unreasonable here. In which Wikipedia rule it states to keep one Primary source of person A and delete the other primary source of person A? You nor other users in Erzincan's talk page have still not answered about this phenomenon. Moreover being the commander of Turkish forces does not make him unreliable. There are many cases in history where the first person accounts are used. I have added Brad Dennis' research. You have deleted it because you said that there are couple deniers in the University of Utah. It does not make the entire university unreliable which I believe is discrimination. I am not reverting your edits but you are reverting mine. I am also not ignoring reason and am trying to build a constructive dialogue which I reiterate. So the interaction between us happened when you reverted my edits. I believe I have the right to raise my suspicion and doing that I do not think is an attack. You use the words reeks of incompetence to me which I find offensive and defamatory. Utku Öziz (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You keep derailing from your personal attacks, baseless accusations like "socking" and asking me questions about an article that I haven't even edited, hello? Saying Kâzım Karabekir primary account is reliable for anything related to Armenia is itself a lack of competence, even when being told by other users multiple times that he's obviously not. No wonder you kept adding him for exceptional claims, same Karabekir that sought to eliminate Armenia politically and physically. (164 - 165). In any case, I'm not here to discuss content with you, that I've done enough on article talks and on your talk page. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @ZaniGiovanni no I did not mean that you have edited Arshak Jamalyan article. You do not need to use the word hello in such a way. I meant that the section in Erzincan - Wikipedia article where Karabekir's account is already used. I added another book of Karabekir and gave information about Arshak Jamalyan which you deleted saying WP:PRIMARY. So other users also reverted my edits without giving the reason to the fact below:

This is not deleted: Karabekir, Kâzım. Erzincan ve Erzurum'un Kurtuluşu: Sarıkamış, Kars ve Ötesi (The Liberation of Erzincan and Erzurum: Sarıkamış, Kars and Beyond). Erzurum Ticaret ve Sanayi Odası Araştırma, Geliştirme ve Yardımlaşma Vakfı, 1990, p. 377. ISBN 978-975-512-072-0.)

Here Karabekir mentions: Arshak Jamalyan who was a Bolshevik soldier, called Kurdish, Turkish, and Armenian representatives to take charge of the administration of Erzincan Soviet.

This you deleted: Karabekir, Kâzım (2000). 1917-20 Arasında Erzincan'dan Erivan'a [From Erzincan to Yerevan in-between 1917-20] (in Turkish). İstanbul, Türkiye: Emre Yayınları. ISBN 9789758496112.

Here Karabekir metnions: "The Muslims killed by the bandit called Arsak (Arshak Jamalyan) in Bayburt by burning were close to a thousand."

Same primary source talking about the same person who is Arshak Jamalyan.

Furthermore you have deleted the other secondary source that I have added without mentioning the reason. Utku Öziz (talk) 10:25, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

golan settlements extended confirmed

Any way I can get you to skip the WP:RFPP process for the 30+ settlements in the Golan to get them extended confirmed? See the contributions of Special:Contributions/Dpb126948 for why that is necessary. nableezy - 15:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Back Friday (probably)

Delays. El_C 22:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

69

-nt- El_C 22:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question re warning

Hi El C, I hope you're well. I had a small question regarding my logged warning [41]. I'm currently working on an article about an Armenian–Azerbaijani peace agreement in 1919 [42]. The issue is that I'm unsure if me using this [43] Routledge-published source by Jamil Hasanli would be in contravention of my warning. The reason I ask is that Hasanli writes something strange on page 293 regarding the reports of massacres of Armenians (specifically the Genocide):

The facts gathered by Niles and Sutherland differed from others in that they came to the Caucasus to find dead Armenians but found only dead Muslims everywhere. Emory Niles’s and Arthur Sutherland’s “lost” reports brought to light just how subjective in character are the claims of Armenian genocide. Reports of attempted destruction of the Armenian race were shocking to Americans when published in New York in 1918 by the U.S. Ambassador to Istanbul from 1913 to 1916, Henry Morgenthau, but they were unsubstantiated, being founded on information given only by Armenians.

Other than these strange sentences, the rest of Hasanli's book is indispensable on the topic of interwar Azerbaijan's diplomacy with Armenia, hence why I ask if it's appropriate for use. Thanks, – Olympian ^loquere 05:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe these are just some strange choice of words by the author, because addition excerpts from the book show they are very anti-Armenian:

Whenever representatives of the Entente powers, under the influence of Armenian propaganda, met with the representatives of Azerbaijan and Georgia, they would advise them to live with the Armenians in conditions of peace.

The representatives of Azerbaijan suffered from the effects of this classic demagogy and manipulation of public opinion. Topchubashov wrote to Baku that "The activities of Armenian intellectuals in the heart of Europe for more than half a century, the enormous financial resources at their disposal, their skills of movement on all fronts and in attracting people to their side, along with their American compatriots, have stirred up wide sympathy for Armenians, especially lately. These great advantages obscure the negative aspects of the Armenians."

Causing significant damage to Muslims they speak to the whole world about "long-suffering Armenians" and try to get its sympathy. Dead Armenians are very valuable to the Dashnaks. If it is possible to use them properly, then they could bring many benefits to their agitation activities.

--Dallavid (talk) 23:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 :{{tq|''The facts gathered by Niles and Sutherland differed from others in that they came to the Caucasus to find dead Armenians but found only dead Muslims everywhere. Emory Niles’s and Arthur Sutherland’s “lost” reports brought to light just how subjective in character are the claims of Armenian genocide. Reports of attempted destruction of the Armenian race were shocking to Americans when published in New York in 1918 by the U.S. Ambassador to Istanbul from 1913 to 1916, Henry Morgenthau, but they were unsubstantiated, being founded on information given only by Armenians.''}}
 Other than these strange sentences, the rest of Hasanli's book is indispensable on the topic of interwar Azerbaijan's diplomacy with Armenia, hence why I ask if it's appropriate for use. Thanks, – [[User:Olympian|<b style="color:#fcc203">Ol</b><b style="color:#fcba03">ym</b><b style="color:#fcb103">pi</b><b style="color:#fca903">an</b>]] ''<sup><span style="font-size:75%">[[User talk:Olympian|<b style="color:#a3a0a0">loquere</b>]]</span></sup>'' 05:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
+:I do not believe these are just some strange choice of words by the author, because [https://www.turan.az/ext/news/2018/5/free/Culture/en/71102.htm addition excerpts] from the book show they are very anti-Armenian:
+::{{tq|''Whenever representatives of the Entente powers, under the influence of Armenian propaganda, met with the representatives of Azerbaijan and Georgia, they would advise them to live with the Armenians in conditions of peace.''}}
+::{{tq|''The representatives of Azerbaijan suffered from the effects of this classic demagogy and manipulation of public opinion. Topchubashov wrote to Baku that "The activities of Armenian intellectuals in the heart of Europe for more than half a century, the enormous financial resources at their disposal, their skills of movement on all fronts and in attracting people to their side, along with their American compatriots, have stirred up wide sympathy for Armenians, especially lately. These great advantages obscure the negative aspects of the Armenians."''}}
+::{{tq|''Causing significant damage to Muslims they speak to the whole world about "long-suffering Armenians" and try to get its sympathy. Dead Armenians are very valuable to the Dashnaks. If it is possible to use them properly, then they could bring many benefits to their agitation activities.''}}
+:--[[User:Dallavid|Dallavid]] ([[User talk:Dallavid|talk]]) 23:13, 23 December 2022 (UTC)


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