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Lmatt

Hello Liz,

I noticed that you informed Lmatt that a category they had created was up for speedy deletion. I have blocked this editor several times and since being unblocked, they have gone on a spree of Hotcat editing. There is a discussion on my talk page about this matter. I am rarely involved in category discussions and have no experience with Hotcat. Would you be willing to look into these recent edits and express your opinion? Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:12, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen, I'll visit your talk page when I get back to my computer tonight. It's not unusual for relatively new editors to go overboard creating categories. It's a problem when it interferes with the existing category structure which, after 18 years, is pretty set at this point. Liz Read! Talk! 02:45, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They registered in 2005 and have edited heavily although sporadically since 2011, logging close to 10,000 edits. I had warned them to steer clear of controversial editing at the time of their last block. Since their block expired about a week ago, they have made roughly 750 edits. Most were to controversial categories, but others were to highly controversial topics such as transgender and TERF issues, assault rifles, serial rape, prostitution and pornography. I am very concerned about this editor but want other administrators to take a close look, because the editor has criticized me forcefully several times, accusing me of bias. I do not consider myself involved because all of my interactions with this editor have been as an administrator. But I want to be cautious. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstart for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
For your help cleaning up the fallout from the Portal:Contents move. Wug·a·po·des​ 06:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You'd be the third half of the half barnstar I gave El C and JJMC89. Since 3 halves is improper I hope you don't mind a teamwork barnstar. Wug·a·po·des​ 06:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all! Liz Read! Talk! 16:18, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Manika Kaur

Hi, have moved this article back to mainspace because it passes WP:GNG and was approved by an admin (David Gerard) who unsalted the title, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Atlantic306. I was just fixing the broken redirects. Liz Read! Talk! 20:44, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Deletion of East Bengal the Real Power

Hi, The article East Bengal the Real Power was an informative article about the very first fan group in Indian football and only showed how the fan culture grew in India through the various activities of the fan group. The article was not at all promotional and I strongly disagree to the deletion. Kindly restore and suggest if anything should be changed in order for it to be more neutral and informative. Regards, --SabyaC (talk) 09:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is very unusual that a fan group would receive enough mainstream media coverage to be seen as notable enough for their own article. This article had already been deleted twice and if I didn't delete it, another admin would have. Liz Read! Talk! 17:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This was an article about the very first fan group in Indian football. It was only informative and not at all promotional. There are articles about revolutionary fan groups like UltrAslan, West Block Blues. This article too was of similar kind and also with proper references and citations included. Please suggest how to create this article so that it is not taken down. --SabyaC (talk) 18:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please

Liz, as time permits, would you look back to the publication history of the Jeff Vintar article, who is much more accomplished than the stub leads one to believer? It appears that at times the article has had much more content, and oddly, the additions and deletions in the edit history appear with strikethroughs, and so the material is not easily viewable. IMDB indicates further productivity, including as a producer. A deleted, referenced source (which cites an earlier version of Wikipedia!) indicates substantial further creative work, and collaborative associations. It would be nice, for the sake of the article, its subject, and the quality of the encyclopedia, if the reliable of this deleted information could be reclaimed (with sourcing). Cheers. 2601:246:C700:9B0:989C:8C2B:3054:F2E2 (talk) 05:30, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the edits are stricken is because (a) they were promotional but primarily (b) they were copy-pasted from a copyrighted website. We can't restore or publish copyrighted information on Wikipedia. So it will stay gone. If you want to write about the subject of the article, do it in your own words, neutrally, and that will have a better chance of surviving the cuts. Elizium23 (talk) 05:44, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This edit

I'm guessing this one may also be similar to the ones already been deleted by the administrators due to similar IP addresses editing and the amount of bytes added to the page. Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 18:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, Iggy. It was the exact same offensive content, over and over again. I've rev-deleted it. Much appreciated. Liz Read! Talk! 20:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Speedy Deletion of Category:Reader's Digest compilation albums

Liz, nice to meet you. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, at least the editing part, and am not entirely sure how this works. I got your message today about the deletion. I appreciate the email. If I understand correctly, a Category must be empty for 7 days or more. I created this Category less than half a week ago, four days at most, and there was an album listed in the category. One of several I had intended to submit over time. The album I included first in this Category was "Her Greatest Hits and Finest Performances" by Anne Murray. I went to her discography page to check this album after receiving your notice and the link to this album has been removed. I have not received any notification about the status of the album's article. This is not the first time an article of mine has been removed without me being notified. I complained about this one other time and was told by someone from Wikipedia that I was mistaken, that none of my submissions had been deleted. I don't think so. If that were the case, I would be able to find these articles. If I can't find them, where are they if not deleted or removed. I put several hours into creating this particular article as it was a three disc box set. If it's being removed, I would like, at the very least, for the person who removed it to provide me with an explanation. That's just common courtesy and the decent thing to do. Regarding the removed articles; Maybe I made a mistake and they should be removed. I get that. Maybe I can fix the articles and they can stay up. This would be my preference. If someone would explain to me why my articles are deleted, at the very least, I would learn what not to do in the future. I don't create any articles for profit. I'm retired with time on my hands. I actually enjoy creating them and feel like I'm making a contribution and giving back as I use Wikipedia quite a bit myself. I'm frustrated and disappointed that anyone's hard work, not just mine, would be summarily destroyed without a how-do-you-do. Thanks for reading this.HowlinMadMan (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, HowlinMadMan,
First, I regularly tag empty categories. After categories are tagged as empty, they sit in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for 7 days. If, after 7 days, the categories are still empty, they are deleted. If during that 7 days someone assigns an appropriate page to the category, the tag is removed and it is not deleted. This happens all of the time because categories are often created before someone has figured out which articles to put in them. I'm sorry if the message you received from Twinkle implied that this is a "speedy deletion" because, unless something has gone wrong, empty categories are never immediately deleted after being tagged. There is this 7 day waiting period. But the 7 days can only start after the category has been tagged so that is done first.
Second, unlike categories that have been deleted through a Categories for discussion decision, categories that are deleted for being empty can always be recreated should they be needed. So, even if you created an empty category that was deleted after 7 days, you can always recreate it when you have a use for it.
Finally, your bigger question is what happened to the articles you assigned to the category that were reassigned and removed. We don't have static lists of category contents, they are dynamic, and the only way to discover this is to check the articles that you believe were originally in the category and see which editor reassigned them. If they reassigned one article, it is likely they reassigned others. Once you know who did the reassignment, there needs to be a discussion about this. There can be valid reasons for reassigning pages if there is an existing category that is a better fit and typically other editors are not told about editing changes, that is why we use Watchlists so you can keep an eye on articles and pages that you have been working on, to see when changes have been made.
If it is a matter of articles that have been deleted, and you do not remember what the article or category titles were, as an admin, I can look at your deleted contributions and figure out what they were and, from there, we can go to the pages and find out why they were deleted. Some deletions, like for empty categories, can be undone very simply, for pages that have had a deletion discussion, it can take a deletion review to undelete a page. Let me know if I can help with this. Liz Read! Talk! 04:57, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I think I'm done with it. It's too much work and raises my blood pressure too high to continue. I just went to my watchlist and read about all the cover art images that are up for deletion and it's discouraging. For each image, it means an article has already been removed. I thought I was doing something others would find useful. Because I went looking for these albums and couldn't find reliable sources to fill my needs, I thought I would put them there for the next person. I'm not spending that much time just so someone who thinks the article isn't "notable" enough can wipe out all my hard work with a click of a mouse button. I've submitted a lot of articles over the past few months and I felt each one deserved a page. I'm sure you hear that all the time and I'm not fooling myself into thinking I'm always right. I would expect to have to redo some articles but I can't because they're simple not there any more. Something you might want to propose to your fellow administrators is to critique an article and give the submitter a chance to correct it. That one thing would reduce the frustration levels immensely. To be fair, that has happened once or twice for one of my articles, but not for the majority. It would also make contributors feel like they're getting some small level of respect. I'm sure that's already been considered and discarded because it just makes too much sense to do that. "Notability" is a tricky thing. Nobody's going to the library and digging up book references or dusting off the microfiche unless they get paid to do that. For a lot of articles there will never be enough sources on the web. Especially older items. In my case, music. I think some Wikipedia administrators get hung up on the "notability" factor too much and I'm sure nearly 100% of them will tell me I don't know diddly squat. One already has and maybe they were right. The readers, such as myself, lose out because of this strict adherence policy. Again, I can play Devil's advocate and say policies are necessary. They can also put you in a strangle hold. Things I/we want to read about is not always on Wikipedia because there are not enough sources to get them there. I can read all I ever want to know about Taylor Swift, but I can't find out much about someone who might have only put out a couple of albums in the 70s and didn't quite make the top 10 or maybe was just a one hit wonder. Maybe it's just me, but I find that person much more interesting than the latest boy band or the next Britney Spears. If you're not careful, "notability" can turn into "popularity" real quick, or at least give that impression. Sorry for the ramble and it's not necessary to tell me I should write a blog. One of your fellow admins already did that. Thanks and have a good day. HowlinMadMan (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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editToken

Hello Liz,

Your script User:Liz/spihelper.js is no longer functional because it attempts to get an editToken from mw.user.tokens. The script should instead get a csrfToken. editTokens were removed from mw.user.tokens on October 3, 2019 at Phabricator during this edit as they were redundant to csrfTokens.– BrandonXLF (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Wavelet Packet Filter Banks (November 28)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was:
This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
You really need to provide footnotes to show where each bit of info came from. Take a look at WP:CIT and WP:CITE.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Onel5969 TT me 21:05, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The Los Angeles Daily Journal

Hi Liz. I noticed you deleted The Los Angeles Daily Journal under G8 as "Redirect to a deleted or nonexistent page". When I linked to that page here, I remember The Los Angeles Daily Journal being an article. Would you provide more information about the page's deletion? What was it a redirect to? Was it converted to a redirect recently? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 11:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here are related pages you deleted around that time:
  1. Talk:Los Angeles Daily Journal and San Francisco Daily Journal
  2. Los Angeles Daily Journal and San Francisco Daily Journal - California Legal News
  3. Talk:San Francisco Daily Journal - San Francisco Legal News
  4. San Francisco Daily Journal - San Francisco Legal News
I think The Los Angeles Daily Journal must have been a redirect to San Francisco Daily Journal – San Francisco Legal News, which was deleted as an expired prod. Also pinging deleting admin Muboshgu (talk · contribs). Would you restore these pages and redirect them to parent company Daily Journal Corporation instead? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 11:16, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cunard, done. One talk page had no edits to restore. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Muboshgu (talk · contribs)! Cunard (talk) 11:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria for speedy deletion C1

Hi, I see my nomination of Category:Palacký University Rector elections was incorrect. The reason was that I checked the criteria in Template:Db-catempty (Template:Db-c1) rather than the main guidance.

What do you think of the following update to the template?

Replace "as a category that is empty, is not currently in a deletion discussion (or was emptied outside of that process), and is not a category redirect, a disambiguation category, a featured topics category, or a project category that by its nature becomes empty on occasion." with "as a category that is empty, is not currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions), and is not a disambiguation category, category redirect, featured topics category, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion." Reason: to bring current wording into line with Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Categories. The current wording suggests that being in a "Categories for Renaming" discussion would not make a category ineligible for C1 deletion. TSventon (talk) 00:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If a category is being discussed for deletion, merging or renaming, it is not deleted as an empty category. After the decision has been made, it can be tagged for deletion if it is still empty. This has just been common practice. Alternatively, you could go to the rename nominator and ask them to withdraw their speedy rename request.
Bottom line is that empty categories are an extremely low priority for deletion considerations. They can always be recreated if needed, unlike categories deleted through CFD discussions. They are not an urgent issue like copyright, vandalism or BLP violations. Wait until the speedy rename discussion is over or withdrawn and then tag it again if the category is still empty.
Often categories that are tagged as empty are not empty after a few days and we remove the tag. Happens all the time. If you look at my CSD log, you'll see plenty of blue links for categories that had been CSD C1 tagged that later turned out not to be empty any more so they were untagged & not deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 01:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I want your opinion on the wording of the Template:Db-catempty, not the deletion policy, but perhaps I did not make that clear in my post.
The deletion policy excludes categories "currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions)", whereas the wording in Template:Db-catempty is "currently in a deletion discussion (or was emptied outside of that process)".
I think that the difference in wording is unhelpful (and that it confused me in this case) so I have produced a request for an update to the wording of the template (my final paragraph above). The template is protected, so I can't boldly update it. Please could you have a look at my final paragraph above and let me know if you disagree with any of my new wording. TSventon (talk) 11:08, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for reinstating the speedy deletion nomination. I have just submitted a request to change the wording of the Template:Db-catempty to bring it into line with the guidance. TSventon (talk) 12:46, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikia

I'm really lazy, and I don't want to try to figure out what the contents of that page were. Could you please restore it and just move its contents to Category:Fandom (website)? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 06:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draft : Zendyll Production

Hi Liz, I noticed that you deleted my draft article for Zendyll Production due to G11 Unambiguous advertising or promotion. While I agree that this article wasn't ready for the mainspace, I intended to improve and fix the problems. I would really appreciate if you could reinstate the article to draft space as I've spent over 30 hours researching on the company. Thank you. :)--Chlchqy (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

73.101.113.182

Could you please handle user:73.101.113.182 ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you help Tashi?

Hi Liz. I saw you're an ArbCom clerk. User:Tashi is trying to appeal his ArbCom block but he has problems contacting ArbCom as his emails are not getting through. Here is the link to what he wrote. Would you be able to guide him through the appeal process? Thanks Liz :) starship.paint (talk) 08:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Starship.paint,
<arbcom-en@wikimedia.org> is the correct email address to use so I don't know why their emails are not getting through. According to a message you left on their user talk page, they previously emailed the committee successfully. Tashi is not restricted from email use so they can also follow instructions at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee#Contacting the Committee and email the committee directly from their user page, User:Arbitration Committee.
Emailing the committee directly is the way to reach the committee so my only thought is that Tashi could use an alternative email address if their primary one doesn't seem to be working. I will cross-post this to their Polish user page. Liz Read! Talk! 15:55, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Liz, your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you! :) starship.paint (talk) 01:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted article

Hi. East Bengal the Real Power this article was deleted last month. Is it possible to get a copy of the article, so that I can modify it and make it suitable to re-publish?  S A H A  09:59, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers

Merry Christmas, Liz!
Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. And for all the help you've thrown my way over the years. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 19:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Merry Merry!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!

Hello Liz, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020.
Happy editing,
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Happy Holidays

Thank you for continuing to make Wikipedia the greatest project in the world. I hope you have an excellent holiday season. Lightburst (talk) 23:36, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas Liz

Hi Liz, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia this past year,
   –Davey2010talk 00:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Backatcha

Have a WikiChristmas and a PediaNewYear

Consider this a very slow motion snowball fight. And thanks for support comments. Be well. Keep well. Have a lovely Christmas. SilkTork (talk) 12:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays!
May your winter holidays be filled with joy, laughter and good health. Wishing you all the best in 2020 and beyond.

--Cameron11598 (Talk) 21:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck

豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s

Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune.
このミラPはLizたちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！
フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE!
ミラP 02:28, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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offensive lang in edit summary

Hi. Where would I report offensive language in an edit summary. See this edit. Thanks. Onel5969 TT me 15:06, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, onel5969,
Any admin can take care of this kind of thing. It's better to contact an admin directly rather than posting this to a noticeboard, as long as the admin is currently active. Thanks for alerting me. Liz Read! Talk! 15:14, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure. Onel5969 TT me 15:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Self-promotion

Hi. Since you responded so quickly last time, thought I might try you again. Please take a look at User:Elisabete A Silva. Haven't really dealt much with self-promotion, and don't know where the line is between simply telling others about yourself, and self-promotion is. What do you feel about this user page? Onel5969 TT me 15:52, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, onel5969,
Yes, that is bad! But this situation usually happens because new editors misunderstand the purpose of a user page and think it is for their personal biography. It is inappropriate but understandable given how other websites work. Since this editor is currently active, I posted a notice on her user talk page and will delete the page in a bit. It is not urgent and she might like to remove the material herself. Again, thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 16:01, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I also left her message on her talk page, as she was making some problematic edits. Hopefully, she'll reach out if she has any questions. Onel5969 TT me 16:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like Fastily has now deleted this page. Liz Read! Talk! 21:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw that. Funny thing is, that with her citation count, she might pass notability criteria for her own article. Onel5969 TT me 21:19, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Maharshi Santsewi Paramhans CSD tag removal

Hello Liz, this is Utopes, the editor who placed a speedy deletion tag on Maharshi Santsewi Paramhans. Currently, this is a redirect that does not have a valid target, as the location that this redirect points is an article that does not exist. The article that used to be in this position had been draftified to allow time for the article to incubate. My question to you is: why was the CSD tag removed? I labeled the redirect as WP:G8, as a page dependent on a nonexistent page or deleted page. You stated in the edit summary that the criteria was not valid. Could you elaborate? Thanks, Utopes (talk) 20:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Utopes,
When I removed the tag 6 1/2 hours ago, the target article existed. Bbb23 deleted Maharshi Santsevi Paramhans less than 2 hours ago. So, now that Maharshi Santsewi Paramhans is a broken redirect, I will delete it. Liz Read! Talk! 21:04, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Sorry for the misunderstanding. when I tagged the article, the target of the redirect had been moved to draft space, and the redirect was broken. However, before it could be deleted, it appears the author of the original article copied and pasted the contents into mainspace, which is where it existed when you came across the redirect. So, to summarize, it appears that we both were right. When I tagged the article, the redirect was broken. However, it remained undeleted when the target was re-created by the author, and you justly removed the tag, as there WAS in fact a target. However, that target was then deleted when I looked at my CSD log and wondered why 2 out of the 3 redirects I tagged for the same reason were deleted (which struck me as odd, as 2 of the redirects were deleted in time, but the one in question wasn't). Anyway, thanks for reading my re-hash of events. Hopefully everything worked out. Cheers, Utopes (talk) 21:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate you for bringing it to my attention, Utopes. The page needed to be deleted now. I patrol Anomie3 bot's report of broken redirects, usually daily, so the page would have been deleted some time today by a bot or admin. The bot does a good job detecting broken redirects but it only updates its report about every 7 or 8 hours. Editors like you often respond faster. Have a good weekend! Liz Read! Talk! 21:20, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Campbell (darts player)

Hi, I'm sorry about the AFD nomination earlier, i didn't think it had any references etc, and I couldn't find a "reliable" subject to nominate it for deletion. (I've never used that feature before). I didn't realise I had requested it as an attack page. As I say I didn't know which subjects to put it under. Really sorry about that. L1amw90 (talk) 23:46, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No apology necessary, L1amw90. If you edit, you make occasional mistakes. I know I do! Have a great new year! Liz Read! Talk! 03:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hope we can find a time to talk! Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 22:28, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Responded to. Thanks for alerting me, Jmorgan (WMF)). Liz Read! Talk! 03:17, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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TL;DR: let me know if you have time in the next couple weeks for a meeting, and/or just want to coordinate via email or talkpage. Happy new year! Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 22:57, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Jmorgan (WMF), I haven't checked my email in a while due to the holidays and other stuff. I'll get back to you today. My apologies. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, Liz, and no rush! Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 00:26, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Cheers, Liz! J-Mo 21:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy-deleted category

Hi. I'm RoadTyper, and I recently noticed that you have nominated the category Category:Articles with Mi'kmaq-language external links for speedy deletion, because it is empty. However, I disagree with this nomination, because there are plenty of articles, including the one about the language itself, that could be part of this category. I edited that article and added the category, but for some reason, it didn't show up at the bottom.

Is this because the category is currently tagged for speedy deletion, or what? I have had (and still have) my categories of my own nominated for deletion, but it wasn't speedy deletion, and the pages remained in the category until you had manually removed them. Would you mind filling me in on the major differences between regular deletion and speedy deletion? I'm kind of new here, so I could really use a lot of help. HighwayTyper (talk) 13:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, HighwayTyper,
Empty categories are tagged for deletion unless they fall under a limited number of exceptions (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#C1. Unpopulated categories for details). They sit in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for 7 days. If, after 7 days, the category is still empty, it is deleted. If it no longer is empty, the tag is removed. So, it is not "speedy" like most of the other kinds of speedy deletion which can face immediate deletion.
If the category is deleted because it is empty, it can be recreated at any time if there are pages that would be appropriate for it. This is not the case if a category has been nominated for deletion via Categories for discussion. If a category is deleted via CfD, it is normally not allowed to be recreated.
In the case of Category:Articles with Mi'kmaq-language external links, it is no longer empty so the CSD C1 tag has been removed. I hope this explains the situation. Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Recent user talk page moves

Hi Liz, sorry for the mess and thanks for the deletions. I was planning to clean it up myself, but was trying to figure out how to restore my talk page archives first (the first 40 are now red links). I will work on that. Apologies and thanks again, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:23, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No apology necessary, Ruhrfisch. Sorry for my message, I've been having a bad day and just got a bit irritated. If I can help you recover your archived talk pages, let me know. Liz Read! Talk! 04:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No worries and I am sorry for the mess. I figured out where the archives are and am moving them back to the links from the archivebox. WIll stop soon and will finish the moves tomorrow. I've not done much on WP for well over a year and am sorry I messed up. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 05:32, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Magne Furuholmen albums (category)

Hi, I added the whole of Magne Furuholmen discography to Wiki so I was wondering if it is possible to add the category back. In the coming weeks it is my intention to improve the existing newly created articles. Thanks in advance Cat italia (talk) 15:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Hello, Cat italia,
If a category has been deleted simply because it was empty, it can be recreated when it IS needed. If it was deleted due to a Categories for discussion discussion, it should not be recreated without a good justification. So, if it is the former, go ahead and recreate the category. I hope I've cleared this up. Let me know if you have more questions. Liz Read! Talk! 17:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your help. The category is no longer empty since more articles can be added. Thank you for your help! Cat italia (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:06, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

G13

Hey Liz, saw you removed the CSD from User:Yonanale/sandbox. Just a note that the latest edit was from a bot, and bot edits do not reset the G13 clock, so the page is eligible. Best, (and thanks as always for all your good work), UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:45, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, UnitedStatesian
I wasn't aware that there were exceptions to the G13 rule and I don't see this information on the CSD G13 guidelines. All I could see was a warning notice that these two pages were not eligible for a G13 deletion.
If there is an exception to the G13 guidelines, the bots should be programmed to ignore bot edits and not to post notices that the pages are ineligible, I would think. Thanks for alerting me, I'll look into this. Liz Read! Talk! 17:31, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The relevant text from the CSD G13 guidelines is "have not been edited by a human in six months." Thanks for looking into it. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason, that qualification didn't stand out to me, I was looking at the list. I appreciate you pointing it out, UnitedStatesian, and I'll delete those two pages now. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Deletion of Mahatma Gandhi Central University protest

I have written an article Mahatma Gandhi Central University protest which was accepted for article for creation on 27 December 2019 but some users copied text from references and links that's why this page was deleted due to copy right issue. I request you to undo the deletion and restoration the page. I'll remove all the copied text from the article and will write in my own words. It took almost 3 months to collect all the information and references to write this article. As Wikipedia plays a vital role in letting world know about the important things across the globe. Hope you'd love to help us in inclusion of one of the India's largest public universities protest to the Wikipedia so that whole world may know about it. Therefore, you are requested to think once more to undo the deletion and restoration the page. I'll try my level best to improve this article day by day and will be writing in my own words. Thanking you.--Rohitmishra111 (talk) 13:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rohitmishra111
I recommend that you ask the administrator who deleted the article, 331dot, to consider undeleting the article. That's typically how things work here. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 13:44, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

@Liz: The article Davido was under severe attack by more then one vandal today, can you put some protection on this article. And also can you block User:Ibwizzy, this person did much of the vandalism to this article.Catfurball (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Catfurball: Protection – OK. IMHO blocking would be prematurely severe; that user's first edit to the article was highly destructive, but in their next edits they did then start to put right part of the damage they had done. Clearly they did not realise how easy it would be to simply WP:UNDO. Talking of which, please would you also take a look at Help:Reverting, as it would be better if you would revert pages to the last good version, rather than undoing each vandal edit one at a time. – (WP:TPS) Fayenatic London 22:12, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fayenatic is correct (as usual), Catfurball. Ibwizzy is a brand new account and Fayaenatic posted a warning which is what we do for beginners who make questionable edits. Liz Read! Talk! 23:42, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020(s) cats

Hi. I appreciate all the good work that you and User:UnitedStatesian do but can you just go a bit easy on deleting 2020(s) categories for a bit? We are bound to need things like Category:2020s in Philippine cinema that are part of a well-established series, and in fact it was filled with a subcat just three hours after you deleted it. We're seeing a lot of 2020(s) categories over at Special:WantedCategories at the moment because of the new year and new decade (I know myself how easy it is to miss that a new 2020 category needs a decade cat), and it's frustrating to see "obvious" categories like that getting deleted only for us to recreate them very soon after. Cheers. Le Deluge (talk) 11:23, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Le Deluge,
This happens every year. The problem is is that some editors start creating these categories very early, like in October of the previous year, when it is unlikely that they will be filled for months.
It's difficult to predict which of these categories will be filled imminently and which could be empty for months. But I get your point and will try to be more judicious in my deletion. It would also be good to notify UnitedStatesian about this as they do most of the empty category tagging these days. Liz Read! Talk! 17:08, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Consider me notified (via your ping, thanks); my only comment is that categories appearing on Special:WantedCategories are not an issue, since by definition they cannot appear on that list unless at least one page is in the category. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

96.233.204.98

May I please request immediate intervention with user:96.233.204.98. She clearly won't stop vandalizing until blocked. CLCStudent (talk) 16:21, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like Widr has already blocked this editor. Thanks for the notice. Liz Read! Talk! 17:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PDBe-KB

Hi Liz - I've recently come across this (former) article, which you nominated for speedy deletion last year. The grounds for deletion were: A7 - not important enough, and G11 - blatant advertising. I find these hard to understand as (a) this article is wikilinked in hundreds of biochemistry articles, and (b) it describes a community-driven reference resource (see Welcome to PDBe-KB). Can it be restored, or at least the original text made available somewhere for editing with a view to restoration? Colonies Chris (talk) 10:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Colonies Chris,
I've been out of commission for the past week due to illness and am just now reading on my phone which is very clumsy. As soon as I'm back on my laptop, I'll check out the deleted page later today. I'll see if it is possible to give you the deleted content on one of your user pages. Liz Read! Talk! 23:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Colonies Chris,
I have restored the article to keep the edit history and moved it to User:Colonies Chris/Sandbox so you can work on it. I'm glad you brought the request to me and I had the chance to revisit this decision because I think it was questionable on my part. In general, I think A7 and G11 are frequently judgment calls and I have removed my share of CSD tags when I think the article didn't meet the criteria.
I hope you can improve upon the article, maybe with the help of a WikiProject like WikiProject Molecular Biology. I wouldn't recommend just moving the page back into article main space because it could very well be tagged again. Thanks again for your inquiry. Liz Read! Talk! 02:20, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Liz - It obviously needs work. I'll try to knock it into an acceptable form. Colonies Chris (talk) 09:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The page appears to have been copy and pasted back into mainspace, rather than moved back from the sandbox, which is unfortunate as that means history is lost (may also have copyright implications). --kingboyk (talk) 08:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: welcome back

Thank you :-) I'd gotten into some stressful situations on-wiki, and I couldn't think of a good way to avoid conflict...I figured the best way was just to log out and return after a few months. Nyttend (talk) 04:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I know exactly how you feel, Nyttend. When I first started editing regularly in 2013, I wandered into a dispute that I had no business weighing in on that quickly got me labeled as troublesome when I came to an editor's defense (which was a noble but, in hindsight, foolish decision). That editor got ended up getting blocked and I couldn't shake the association with them. So, I ended up taking a 6 month break and when I returned, everyone involved had either left, had also been blocked or had moved on to other subjects.
My recent break had to do with my health but I also found after returning that I had renewed energy for the project. So, I'm all for taking time off and then deciding whether or not you want to recommit. It's much better to take a break than get frustrated and act out. So, welcome back and I hope your stress levels will be much lower this time around. Remember that this is all voluntary and you can choose where you want to spend your time. If there is a certain area of admin work that you found tiresome or stressful, then work on articles or templates or do something more enjoyable. That's my 2 cents, for what it's worth. Liz Read! Talk! 04:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deletion

Hi Liz. You recently G7-deleted F1 Manager (2010 Video Game) and then G8-deleted Talk:F1 Manager (2000 Video Game). I'm wondering if you meant to G8-delete Talk:F1 Manager (2010 Video Game), i.e. the talk page of the article you G7-deleted, instead. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 03:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. Talk:F1 Manager (2010 Video Game) has now been deleted by someone else (and the incorrectly capitalised Talk:F1 Manager (2000 Video Game) doesn't need to be reinstated). Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 07:11, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, DH85868993,
If you say this is straightened out, I'll take your word for it. Let me know if there are any problems. Liz Read! Talk! 15:26, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, partial blocks are now enabled on the English Wikipedia. This functionality allows administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces rather than the entire site. A draft policy is being workshopped at Wikipedia:Partial blocks.
  • The request for comment seeking the community's sentiment for a binding desysop procedure closed with wide-spread support for an alternative desysoping procedure based on community input. No proposed process received consensus.

Technical news

  • Twinkle now supports partial blocking. There is a small checkbox that toggles the "partial" status for both blocks and templating. There is currently one template: {{uw-pblock}}.
  • When trying to move a page, if the target title already exists then a warning message is shown. The warning message will now include a link to the target title. [1]

Arbitration

  • Following a recent arbitration case, the Arbitration Committee reminded administrators that checkuser and oversight blocks must not be reversed or modified without prior consultation with the checkuser or oversighter who placed the block, the respective functionary team, or the Arbitration Committee.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Empty, not empty

Hi Liz,

I kind of randomly came upon Category:WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry - Gemstones today, which you speedied back in August as empty. However, there are over 300 pages in it currently. Since it's populated by a Wikiproject banner, it's certainly possible that a parameter was changed at some point (and maybe changed back). Normally, I'd just recreate the category, but I figured an undelete would be preferable in case there was any actual content on the category page (I can't really check, so have no idea). Thanks, –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 21:28, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for letting me know! There was no talk page to restore so you can make one if you care to. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving at AE

Hi Liz. Per this edit I have tried to restore the archiving instructions at AE which got clobbered (inadvertently) by this edit of 21:47, 30 January 2020 by MyMoloboaccount. I had noticed that the One-click Archiver was sending archived threads off into an unfamiliar place. For example, your recent one-click archive sent the thread to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Archive 260, a target I had never heard of. In my opinion, all of the AE one-clicks since 21:47 on 30 January ought to be undone. The usual location for archived threads is WP:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive. During this period the normal archiving bot User:Lowercase sigmabot III did not do anything at AE so in my view only the one-clicks need to be fixed.

As to how to do it: the simplest might be to to through the history of AE, undo all the one-click archiving edits since 21:47 on 30 January, delete the page at WP:Arbitration/Archive 260 and just wait for the bot. Future one-clicks ought to work correctly since the instructions have been fixed. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:52, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, man, Ed. I meant to clean up the page, not send discussions off into the ether. I'm glad you noticed. I have a little time now to sort out the archiving pages and the current discussions will not be closed and archived any time soon. Thanks again for noticing this and bringing it to my attention.
By the way, I discovered the archiving tool on my talk page was automatically archiving discussion threads to the archive which was the most empty and had the most free space, not the most recent archive page chronologically. So, I have ceased the automatically archiving of this page and still need to go through my talk page archives and sort through the discussions, putting them on the correct page. I guess sometimes these tools are a little wonky. Liz Read! Talk! 17:03, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Well, that was simpler than I expected. Liz Read! Talk! 17:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! But in terms of the bot doing the wrong thing on your page, do you mean this bot edit of 5 January? The bot archives into a numbered file as designated in your current talk page header. Whenever the bot considers an archive to be full, it updates the number and saves it back to your talk page. Back on 4 January your talk page had 'counter = 23' in the header. When you do manual archiving you might consider updating the counter value each time. EdJohnston (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What, you mean this is my mistake and not something I can blame on a wayward bot? I can see that there are things I forgot when I was gone for a year. Thanks, Ed. Liz Read! Talk! 16:37, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, being away from Wikipedia a year might help to improve your mood, when you are a person who spends much time in the admin spaces. EdJohnston (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Categories used by Template:WikiProject Gemology and Jewelry

Please restore these 6 category pages:

Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:13, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Thanks for letting me know, davidwr. Liz Read! Talk! 16:34, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Doveman (Thomas Bartlett)

Hi there,

I'm looking for a missing article and your name is the most recent trace I can find of it so perhaps you can help. I've just noticed that the article about the American musician Thomas Bartlett, also known as Doveman, has disappeared. There are lots of redlinks to it as he's mentioned in a lot of articles, including Nico Muhly and The Gloaming (album). All I can find is a record that you deleted (G8) what seems to have been a redirect page to a nonexistent page Doveman on Jan 10 2020. And that the Doveman page itself was deleted in 2007! I know there was an article about this person, Thomas Bartlett, within the last year, but can't find it by any kind of search. The Thomas Bartlett disambiguation page has the redlink to Doveman. I don't remember the exact name of the article, unfortunately. Any help finding it would be much appreciated. Thanks! HazelAB (talk) 15:23, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, HazelAB,
This is actually the second inquiry I've gotten about restoring this article since I deleted the redirect so I'm going to ping everyone involved and see if we can recover a version of the content that doesn't violate copyright. Here's the timeline of what happened that I can piece together from the contribution histories:
  • Jan. 2nd - Justlettersandnumbers changed Doveman article to a redirect to The Gloaming article
  • Jan. 2nd - Justlettersandnumbers tagged The Gloaming article for copyright problems
  • Jan. 9th - MER-C deleted the The Gloaming article for having unaddressed copyright problems
  • Jan. 10th - I deleted the broken redirect from the Doveman redirect to the now deleted The Gloaming article.
Justlettersandnumbers, would you object if I restored the Doveman article to before you changed it to a redirect? Two people have contacted me about restoring it in the past few weeks. We can tag it for its deficiencies so that editors can improve it. What do you think? Liz Read! Talk! 16:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Liz! I am of course completely happy for you to do whatever you think best here. I had not remembered why I redirected it, but now I see that I wrote "swathes of unsourced content, no sources to indicate independent notability". If HazelAB is confident that there are enough sources to support a page then all good; otherwise an alternative might be to restore a bare-bones version of The Gloaming (which did have some sources and is probably more notable), and recreate Doveman as a redirect. Over to you! Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:50, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Liz and Justlettersandnumbers! I am confident that there are enough sources to support a Doveman or Thomas Bartlett page and will undertake to provide them if the page is restored. I would also like to see a bare bones version of The Gloaming (group) restored as they are indeed notable. I will undertake to improve their article too if this can be done. Thanks! HazelAB (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, HazelAB,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I've decided to restore Doveman and entrust you to look over the "unsourced content" and see if there are references available to support the claims in the article. As for The Gloaming, there were copyright concerns and I decided to restore that article and move it into your user space so you can find it at User:HazelAB/The Gloaming. I have deleted the bulk of the content so it is pretty "bare bones". I see you've been editing for 9 years and I hope you will look at the edit summaries and see the comments about questionable content. Good luck with your efforts to improve the articles. Liz Read! Talk! 03:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Liz! I'll get right to work on them today. HazelAB (talk) 13:07, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you and question

Comment: Thank you for your recent advice. I have restored the Twinkle notify defaults. I thought it was optional.

Question: I've started studying AfD, PROD, CSD and the associated guidelines. I nominated my first PROD and was hoping you could comment on whether it is good, questionable or bad. Page is Tilak Raj. The article changed recently from one about a cricketer to a performer [2]. They might be the same person, but I think the page might have been hijacked. I think both "versions" fail GNG, and I believe both fail WP:BLPPROD, but due to the past version having references (none really meet RS), I tagged it as PROD due to the Scope section of BLPPROD.

Comment: It looks like my PROD from the question above created some activity on that page. Eventually, the page has been changed back to a cricketer and refs have been added (or restored).

I understand the constraints on your time and I appreciate any feedback you can provide.

Hope this finds you well.   // Timothy :: talk 

Hi, Timothy,
I understand your mistaken impression that notifications are optional. I once considered CSD notices optional for empty category speedy deletions because I thought editors were not invested in their category creations like they would be if an article they created was tagged for deletion. And then, an upset editor brought a complaint against me to ANI because they were angry they had not been notified about an empty category deletion. So, since then, I consider all deletion processes to require a notification.
And, from their point-of-view, an editor has no access to see their deleted contributions so if an article/template/redirect/category they created is deleted, they would have no record of it at all if they aren't notified it's been tagged. They can't go through their contributions to see what they've worked on because deleted contributions are only visible to admins. So, it's important to let them know what happened to pages they've created.
As for PRODs, my general advice is not to PROD articles that are currently in the process of being created and edited because the article likely will be changing soon, improving, and the criteria you cited for your PROD might no longer apply. I don't use PROD a lot but when I do, it is usually if I come across an older, obscure article from back in the day (2000s) when sourcing requirements weren't enforced and the subject of the article doesn't seem notable. Remember, PRODs are for "uncontroversial deletion" so if an article is currently being worked on by an editor, deleting it will not be uncontroversial, it will be actively contested! I hope that answers your questions. Liz Read! Talk! 01:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Upage

You still using that dell laptop? Or were you the one that said they dropped their laptop in water or something? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How can you remember that comment?! Yes, I work on an 8 year old Dell laptop. I did drop it but not in water. It just made the internal clock wonky. What, may I ask, made you remember that random remark? Liz Read! Talk! 01:47, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We were talking about, or you joined in on Don't Stuff Beans Up your nose, I think I pinged you on that comment on something, then you said your laptop has a wonky clock. If you Laptop's clock is still wonky I think it might be a dead CMOS battery... Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It could be. But I'm getting error messages because my Windows version is no longer supported and there is no way I'm purchasing a new version of Windows for a laptop from 2012! Time for a new computer. Liz Read! Talk! 02:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Try Linux, at least it does not force updates on you while you work, and it's free, it's also system friendly and does not take much ram, I use Ubuntu, it's free! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:12, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 1 March 2020

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, the blocking policy was changed to state that sysops must not undo or alter CheckUser or Oversight blocks, rather than should not.
  • A request for comment confirmed that sandboxes of established but inactive editors may not be blanked due solely to inactivity.

Technical news

  • Following a discussion, Twinkle's default CSD behavior will soon change, most likely this week. After the change, Twinkle will default to "tagging mode" if there is no CSD tag present, and default to "deletion mode" if there is a CSD tag present. You will be able to always default to "deletion mode" (the current behavior) using your Twinkle preferences.

Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slow down!

Please read the notices I left in regards to speedy deletions you been making. I'm almost certain somebody has messed up a template. Categories and disestablishments by decade are being both lumped into a establishments category....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:07, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BHG has it back under control[3]. All the speedy deletion nominations need to be withdrawn. We can now return to our regularly scheduled program irregularly scheduled editing.......William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:18, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, William! Thanks for tracking down the issue that was causing them to be empty.
Just FYI, speedy deleted-tagged empty categories sit for 7 days just to look into any problems that might be causing them to mistakenly be empty. Thanks for letting me know. It looks like UnitedStatesian has gotten to some of these categories and I'll get to the rest. Liz Read! Talk! 19:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Block request

Could you please block user:47.15.238.55. AIV will delete my report because she is already blocked, yet the block is only for certain pages. CLCStudent (talk) 20:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, CLCStudent, I've issued a short block for the vandalism, I hope it won't interfere with the range block that already exists. Liz Read! Talk! 20:03, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It won't interfere with the other block. as the other block is for a range. Thank you! CLCStudent (talk) 20:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My awkward move attempt regarding Amish Acres / The Barns at Nappanee

I'm only contacting you and not posting this to a centralized community area because you blanked the The Barns at Nappanee talk page and happen to be an admin.

In my attempt to move the Amish Acres article to The Barns at Nappanee, I accidentally moved the former to Talk:The Barns at Nappanee because I was looking at the options in the dropdown menu (it had been so long since I had done a move that I don't even remember a dropdown menu) and accidentally left the menu option as "talk" without noticing. Instead of just undoing the move, since somehow, probably in a state of mild panic, I misremembered that moves couldn't simply be undone, I then moved Talk:The Barns at Nappanee to The Barns at Nappanee. Because of the initial weird cross-space move, Talk:Amish Acres still exists in the same place, and I can't move that to Talk:The Barns at Nappanee because of course the redirect page is in the way, which is why it needs to be deleted. I realize that putting a speedy delete template on there probably wasn't the best choice but I couldn't think of anything better. If I understand correctly, if Talk:The Barns at Nappanee gets deleted and then Talk:Amish Acres is moved to Talk:The Barns at Nappanee, the end result will be the same as if I hadn't made my initial mistake, including the retained page histories, it's just that the move history will be goofy. Any help is appreciated. Mapsax (talk) 00:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Mapsax, but I can't follow your narrative. Right now, I can't tell what page is supposed to go where. Could you simplify it to something like this?
Page A needs to go to Page B (A>B)
Page X needs to go to Talk page Q (X>Q)
Talk page T (which has been deleted) needs be restored and to go to Page V (T>V)
Page H needs to be deleted
Something like that. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 03:35, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Talk: The Barns at Nappanee needs to be deleted
Talk: Amish Acres needs to be moved to Talk: The Barns at Nappanee
Obviously the actions must be taken in the order listed. Mapsax (talk) 03:49, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Mapsax,
Right now, both Amish Acres and Talk:Amish Acres are proper redirects to The Barns at Nappanee and Talk:The Barns at Nappanee. It could be that this edit by EdJohnston already achieved what you were looking to do with your suggested deletion and move. Liz Read! Talk! 17:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, not really – even though the respective redirects are now correct, Talk:The Barns at Nappanee doesn't have the talk page history of Talk:Amish Acres, even if the former looks the same now on the surface as the latter did. Mapsax (talk) 01:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There has benn no genuine content addition in the edit history of either Talk:Amish Acres or Talk:The Barns at Nappanee. (For example, no actual talk discussions). The only edits are maintenance edits. Moreover, no pages were deleted so all the original history is still preserved. I would be tempted to call this issue resolved. EdJohnston (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I still would feel better if there were some kind of reference on the current talk page, like "this page used to be located at Talk:Amish Acres?redirect=no, its history differs slightly from this page's"; I seem to remember a template for this usage, but it could be my mind playing tricks on me...again, sorry about all of the confusion. Mapsax (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I put a note at the top of Talk:The Barns at Nappanee. I decided against the "Split article" and "Copied" templates, and the "hatnote" template wouldn't work because of the "=" in the URL. Mapsax (talk) 03:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Hindi Khabar

Hello Liz, I noticed that you recently deleted the article for Hindi Khabar. Can you please consider recovering it? In the talk page of the article I also mentioned why this article should exist since it's one of the leading channels in some states of India and has the most viewership in Uttar Pradesh therefore it should have an article of its own where people can get the proper information about it. Thanks Axeals (talk) 05:15, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Axeals,
This article was deleted previously through a deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindi Khabar, which I think you would know about because you've created this article twice. Plus, you have a copy of this article already at Draft:Hindi Khabar where you can continue to work on it. I recommend submitting it to Articles for Creation once you have better sources. But it must greatly improve from its current state or it will be deleted as the recreation of the originally deleted article. Please do not move your draft directly into the main space as it is now or it will be deleted again. Liz Read! Talk! 17:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question about draft deletion

I have a question about the draft, Donga Science, which have been deleted. I think that I wouldn't do much edit for few years, but maybe later, can I restore the page? Is it possible? Thanks, Sincerely, Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Luke Kern Choi 5,
 Done Draft:Donga Science is restored! Happy that you are going to be working on it. Liz Read! Talk! 01:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If I have a page deleted, can it be still restored after few years?Luke Kern Choi 5 (talk) 01:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It depends. There are different types of deletion (read over Wikipedia:Deletion process for details). In your case, it was a draft of an article that wasn't actively being worked on which are deleted after 6 months of inactivity. Those pages can be restored at any time upon request. If the page was deleted after a deletion discussion (like at Articles for deletion), restoration is less likely to happen. Then there are PRODs and speedy deletion, too.
Do you remember the name of the page? I can look into it for you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:21, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted Articles

Hey, liz.

You recently deleted two of the articles I created Bharatiya Kisan Union and Ima Market and three redirects to the latter; Ima Keithel, Nupi Keithel and Khwairamband Bazar under WP:G5. I had appealed the block for a review and have been unblocked since on grounds of it being inconclusive (or so I'm assuming). Would it be possible for you to restore the pages? Hope it is not a bother.

Tayi Arajakate Talk 13:48, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I think that was every page that was mistakenly deleted, Tayi Arajakate. I'm sorry that you were misidentified as a sockpuppet. Liz Read! Talk! 21:20, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of 2020 England police, fire and crime commissioner elections

Can you please provide a reason as to why this was deleted. I provided a detailed explanation of why when contesting the speedy deletion of the article and why the 4 police, fire and crime commissioner elections should have a separate article to the 36 2020 England and Wales police, and crime commissioner elections. These are two similar but legally distinct types of elections with the offices having different powers and covering different legal jurisdictions. Sparkle1 (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Sparkle1,
2020 England police, fire and crime commissioner elections had essentially the same content as 2020 England and Wales police and crime commissioner elections. Please add information to the existing article. Liz Read! Talk! 22:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That defies logic. The elections are different. They are for different bodies. The article was a split from the other as covering Police and crime commissioners and police, fire and crime commissioners in the same article is confusing. the title is not reflective of the two distinct roles and powers and this cannot be rectified. There was not duplication, there was splitting. The information on police fire and crime commissioners had been removed from the page on police and crime commissioners, in particular, the four areas with police, fire and crime commissioners. Why do mayors for a place have separate articles from the elections of members of the body? by the logic used to remove this article, there should not be separate articles yet that consensus on Wikipedia for English elections is clearly to do so.Sparkle1 (talk) 00:01, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sparkle1,
I am not going to argue with you about how elections for fire commissioners are different from those for crime commissioners. The articles looked identical to the editor who tagged the page and also to me. But I have restored the article with edit history at User:Sparkle1/Sandbox where you can continue to work on this page and try to make any distinctions that exist more obvious that they appear to be.
I'm warning you though that if you move this page right back into the main space of the encyclopedia without significant changes, it will be again tagged and deleted, by a different administrator who will probably not be willing to give you another chance at it. I encourage you, when you think the article is ready, to submit it to Articles for Creation where it can be reviewed by experienced editors and approved. It is much less likely to be deleted if you send it through the AfC process. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 00:24, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your constructive response to this. Sparkle1 (talk) 09:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Ysilv008 (talk) 06:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Liz, I am a student and am doing an article on Alfred "Bo" Lomahquahu. Would you please re upload my article so I could fix any mistakes I had on it? I didnt intentionally mean to copy information. Thank you

Hello, Ysilv008,
What do you mean by "re upload"? Liz Read! Talk! 15:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hi again, by that I mean like if you can make it to where I can work on it still and the article be live again, because I was notified that you deleted it? I am not sure if it is correct but I was instructed to contact you because my article was deleted by you. Sorry for any confusion and inconvenience. I just hope I can get my article back so I can continue working on it because it is an assignment for one of my classes in college. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ysilv008 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ysilv008,
I just deleted the redirect from User:Ysilv008/sandbox to Alfred "Bo" Lomahquah. According the tagging, admin ReaderofthePack deleted your article Alfred "Bo" Lomahquah on March 4th because it was a copyright violation of this website. There is no point in restoring a broken redirect as long as the article is deleted.
You can try contacting ReaderofthePack to see if they will restore the original article but this is typically not done if there was copyrighted material used. Liz Read! Talk! 20:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I can't restore the article but I could email you the content. Then you could remove the copyright-violating material. However, should you cut and paste the exact same material into an article on Wikipedia, it will be deleted again. Let me know if you want the article emailed to you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PD Greece

Category:PD Greece is no longer empty. Please re-create. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 18:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration evidence

Thank you for helping me out with the length of my evidence concerning Jytdog! I really appreciate the heads up. I was still a newbie when I ran screaming off of Wikipedia, and since it's been almost two years, I find I have forgotten most of what little I knew. Another editor says I might have made an error in putting my analysis of evidence on the workspace page--should it be rebuttal in my evidence section instead or what? Thank you! I genuinely appreciate the help. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jenhawk777,
Glad you returned to editing Wikipedia except getting into an arbitration case isn't the easiest reintroduction. I'm not sure why you are posting in the Workshop section as discussion usually moves there after the Evidence phase is over which isn't for another 10 days. And I'm not sure who you are rebutting as Jytdog hasn't posted yet.
But I'll check over your contributions in the case in the next day. It's late here & I'm about to turn in. Liz Read! Talk! 04:50, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx for such a quick response! I have now moved my response off the analysis page and into rebuttal in my own section. I am so grateful for your help! But I haven't really returned. I got notified about this through my email and couldn't breathe for awhile realizing Jytdog was trying to come back. I felt obligated to all the unsuspecting newbies out there not to say something. That's all I'm doing. Then I will ghost off quietly into the night once again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In re Draft:Saucer Tennis

The creator and pretty-much sole contributor is, at present, blocked, and has demanded that everything about the subject be removed. Given the circumstances, I thus interpret it as a G7 request from him. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 22:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Liz Read! Talk! 22:40, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 22:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee for you

You seem to be patrolling in several places which I am watching also, and have beaten me to welcoming a contributor. Thanks for the good work. ↠Pine (✉) 23:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Pine! I'm pleased to say that I'm not having to make many reverts on the coronavirus articles I check out. More solid editing than I expected with such a fast-moving subject. Liz Read! Talk! 03:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dinesh Bond moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Dinesh Bond, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, AngusWOOF, but I just fixed a broken redirect on the page. I expect this draft will be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 16:32, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thank you so much & Best wishes. Arenasky (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Arenasky. I'm taking a self-imposed Wikipedia break. Too much time at home on the computer. Be back later. Liz Read! Talk! 00:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/List of people with coronavirus disease 2019

Does A3 apply only to articles?--Launchballer 14:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Launchballer,
Yes. In general, I wouldn't tag any empty talk page for deletion unless the article/category/template/project page has been deleted or tagged for deletion and then it would be a G8. Many talk pages have been created that are blank and haven't been utilized yet and we don't go around and delete them all. Of course, this could change in the future but this is current practice. Liz Read! Talk! 14:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE March newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2020 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the March newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2019. All being well, we're planning to issue these quarterly in 2020, balancing the need to communicate widely with the avoidance of filling up talk pages. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Election results: There was little changeover in the roster of Guild Coordinators, with Miniapolis stepping down with distinction as a coordinator emeritus while Jonesey95 returned as lead coordinator. The next election is scheduled for June 2020 and all Wikipedians in good standing may participate.

January Drive: Thanks to everyone for the splendid work, completing 215 copy edits including 56 articles from the Requests page and 116 backlog articles from the target months of June to August 2019. At the conclusion of the drive there was a record low of 323 articles in the copy editing backlog. Of the 27 editors who signed up for the drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

February Blitz: Of the 15 editors who signed up for this one-week blitz, 13 completed at least one copy edit. A total of 32 articles were copy edited, evenly split between the twin goals of requests and the oldest articles from the copy-editing backlog. Full results are here.

March Drive: Currently underway, this event is targeting requests and backlog articles from September to November 2019. As of 18 March, the backlog stands at a record low of 253 articles and is expected to drop further as the drive progresses. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the backlog. Help set a new record and sign up now!

Progress report: As of 18 March, GOCE copyeditors have completed 161 requests in 2020 and there was a net reduction of 385 articles from the copy-editing backlog – a 60% decrease from the beginning of the year. Well done and thank you everyone!

Election reminder: It may only be March but don't forget our mid-year Election of Coordinators opens for nominations on 1 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Reidgreg, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist

To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion request

Dear Liz, the user is globally locked, because they spammed cross-wiki. The content of this sandbox was deleted from various project (such as pt, it, fa, etc. or Wikidata). Please delete the page here too. Bencemac (talk) 07:48, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 15:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 186.96.116.138

Hi, this is a follow-up message in regards to my ANI post about anonymous user 186.96.116.138. They are continuing their unsourced changes despite the warning you gave them a few days ago. See also this diff, which I just reverted. Jalen Folf (talk) 01:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I gave them a short block since they haven't engaged on their talk page and all of their edits are being reverted. Thanks for alerting me, JalenFolf. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Bartko

This is just a heads up.

I saw your edit to the article here[4]. Per WP:NOTMEMORIAL, I removed the tributes section in its entirety. I have also put the page on my watchlist....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question- The article makes mention of a book Bartko self-published. It's only source- The book's Amazon page. Do you think this is book spam?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I commend you, WilliamJE, for following our guidelines. Regarding this source, the Amazon page is unreliable for information about Jim Bartko and it looks like you removed it as well. A mention of the book itself is okay and several of the newspaper sources mention it and the circumstances that led it to be written. Liz Read! Talk! 14:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting categories

Why did you delete category Category:2020 disasters in the United Kingdom and left four articles without parents? I had to recreate the category just to avoid red-linked categories. Dimadick (talk) 15:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Dimadick,
If you look at the log of Category:2020 disasters in the United Kingdom, you'll see it was deleted by Bbb23 because it was created by a blocked or banned editor, in this case, Netgg68. Liz Read! Talk! 19:51, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


response to drt1245's report of disruptive editing by user domskitect


Dear Liz, you also had deleted my earlier contribution to the page panic buying earlier today, no doubt for your own good reasons. drt1245 subsequently reported me for disruptive editing. I have posted my responses to that here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Domskitect#Response_to_Notice_of_edit_warring_and_disruptive_editing

Thank you https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liz&action=edit

Domskitect, it is best if you respond to this complaint at the Edit warring noticeboard, not on user talk pages.
Also, please sign all of your posts with 4 tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 14:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A request

Could you please possibly chime in here[5] and here[6] on whether it was right to depopulate a category at CFD? Thank you....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done It's not right to depopulate categories under deletion discussions and, unfortunately, it is not uncommon. It's good to warn editors when you can find out who has emptied them out of process. Liz Read! Talk! 14:40, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I saw this edit of yours[7]. That category can be deleted per this CFD[8]. In fact this is the second time this same editor created a COVID people or survivors category in the last few days. I suggest any of these pages be SALTED....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Another admin deleted that page and I have protected it from recreation. Liz Read! Talk! 13:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Empty "Chile" categories

Hi Liz, you nominated a number of empty categories for deletion, e.g. Category:1810s establishments in the Captaincy General of Chile. These categories were only created (moved) recently, after Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 March 2#Captaincy General of Chile, but the underlying cats on the articles weren't moved with them. I don't know if the bot moved too many categories or didn't change enough articles or what, but instead of deleting these categories they should be either populated at the new name, or moved back to the old name. Thanks! Fram (talk) 13:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know, Fram. It looks like most of the Captaincy General of Chile categories were handled properly but not all. With CSD C1 tagged categories, they sit for a week before deletion so we do have some time to figure out what the problem is. I'll ping JJMC89 whose bot handles category changes and see if he knows what happened. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 13:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The trouble is that the nomination only covered part of the hierarchy; I have updated the templates on part of the contents, but others remain inconsistent, see Category:Establishments in Chile by year. @BrownHairedGirl: what's best to do here? Move the remainder summarily under WP:G6? – Fayenatic London 18:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, @Fram, Fayenatic london, Liz, and Fayenatic london. I will sort this out now. I was notified yesterday on my talk, but most of my day has been wasted in a storm created by two drama-mongers. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:17, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Fayenatic and BrownHairedGirl! I bow to your expertise in categories. Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The bot cannot change the categories when they are populated by a template like this. BHG, why is this one (plus two others) back at the title that the CFD moved it away from? (The category page also wasn't moved properly.) — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@JJMC89: this one? Which one? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​Category:1810s establishments in Chile → Category:1810s establishments in the Captaincy General of Chile — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link, JJMC89. It's because I screwed up the 1810s in the nom, and it was better to just fix it than to go through another nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
​ Ok, I just wanted to make sure everything ended up in the right place. — JJMC89 (T·C) 04:08, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No prob, JJMC89. It's good to check. Sorry if my prev reply was a bit terse; it reads a little snippy, which wasn't my intention.. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:14, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram, Fayenatic london, Liz, and JJMC89: I think it's all done now. Sorry that it all turned out to be so complex. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I welcome your expertise, BHG. Thanks for fixing it. It looks like all the categories have been removed from Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion. Much appreciated! Liz Read! Talk! 03:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, all of you, for sorting this out! Fram (talk) 07:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: Well done, I checked a few and they look neat. How about a few more redirects to help navigate back from e.g. Category:1810s_in_Chile? Also, the split between that and the preceding 1810s in CGC doesn't look right. – Fayenatic London 08:01, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: I implemented it as a new country rather than as a rename, so that means we have Category:1810s in the Captaincy General of Chile for up 1810–17, and Category:1810s in Chile for 1818 onwards.
OK, so I moved some of the contents accordingly.[9]
Yes, more redirects will help. Hows about for every existing "Captaincy General of Chile" chronology cat, I create a redirect from the same period in Chile? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's more work than I had in mind, but it would probably avoid future work as it would safeguard editors from using "in Chile" for the old periods that do have a category. – Fayenatic London 10:13, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, BHG, if you look at Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories, you'll see that there are still some Captaincy General of Chile & Chile categories listed as empty. Some actually have contents, but others are empty. Liz Read! Talk! 13:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's sorted now. Please ping me if there are any moe issues. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for answering my questions for the WikiProject Report! I really appreciate it, and I hope you also had a good time answering. Happy editing! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 23:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck with your article, Puddleglum2.0. If I could just repeat myself, you should not encourage brand new editors to be editing COVID-19 articles. It's not a good place to learn, it is very unforgiving. Edits have to be completely accurate, it's not an area where we can tolerate mistakes. Editors that are completely new to Wikipedia are not likely to have a positive experience. They should learn the practices and guidelines in quieter areas of the project where they can make mistakes and learn from them. That's my parting thought. Liz Read! Talk! 23:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC),[reply]
Thanks. I hope I didn't come of as encouraging newer editors to edit COVID articles, more just advice for those who do (as I'm sure there are some.) I can make that more clear in the intro perhaps. Do you mind if I quote part of the above (It's not a good place to learn, it is very unforgiving. Edits have to be completely accurate, it's not an area where we can tolerate mistakes. Editors that are completely new to Wikipedia are not likely to have a positive experience. They should learn the practices and guidelines in quieter areas of the project where they can make mistakes and learn from them.)?
Thanks again! Puddleglum2.0(How's my driving?) 00:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, Puddleglum2.0. It sounds like you have a good perspective on this. You can use my words but I do hope in your article you highlight editors who are part of WikiProject Medicine because they are the experts here. We are really following their lead and helping where we can. Liz Read! Talk! 00:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee and a thank you

Here's a digital cup of coffee for you! Thank you for believing in me and for your help!
StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back, StrangeloveFan101! I hope this can be a new beginning for you. I'd advise you to edit in a completely different area than you did before, at least right now. Avoid conflicts from the past. I'm sure you have a lot of different interests you can pursue...dive in! Liz Read! Talk! 17:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is certainly a new beginning for me. Even though I'm gonna move past the situation, I'm still gonna keep it as a learning experience so I don't make the same or similar mistakes. So, I'm definitely gonna stay away from the cesspool that is the Infobox Wars. What would be kinda funny (for me at least) is if their was a WP article on the Infobox Wars. Honestly, I'd pay to read it if it were a book. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Biden

Hello Liz. I see that you removed some of the more egregious article text at Joe Biden. I don't recall having seen you at that article previously. The content about recently publicized allegations has been under discussion on talk and there are several editors, including myself, who believe that it is premature to add any of this to the article given currently availalbe sources. I have recently reverted this and I don't want to risk a 1RR violation (given that it's unclear whether this is a BLP violation for this famoous politician). I hope you'll consider removing the recently added text and encouraging editors to continue on talk or other venues to resolve the content dispute. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 19:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, SPECIFICO,
I haven't edited Joe Biden although I have removed inappropriate content at Biden family and Hunter Biden. I think these allegations have sufficient news coverage to be included in this article, like other similar allegations, but they don't need to be needless sensationalistic. Wikipedia is not the National Enquirer. And I think there is momentum behind the recent allegations and they could be a factor in the political race. It might not be a story that has been covered by the New York Times or Washington Post yet but I think that is because of the overwhelming focus on COVID-19. I think these allegations will eventually be covered by sources you respect. I will keep an eye on the article. Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I think my removal of some of the information posted would count as a revert. Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi I was looking at this on the Joe Biden page. I think time will tell, so I think we agree on that. There's no question the allegations are being made and are being made to the press, so it's a matter of time. I just think it's leading to trouble when we have obstinate editing of the article during the talk page discussion that clearly has no current consensus for it. Thanks for your reply. SPECIFICO talk 23:43, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, unfortunately, the talk page discussion is very confusing. I didn't know where to put my comment and so just plopped it down at the end of a section. I wish it was more organized. Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This really isn't a big deal

but I wanted to point out that imo Template:2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus data/WHO situation reports does not qualify for WP:R2 since it is not a redirect from the main namespace. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 05:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seemed like a cross-namespace redirect, from Template:2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus data/WHO situation reports to 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic cases/WHO situation reports but I guess R2 doesn't apply. I'll restore it. Liz Read! Talk! 05:16, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, we could definitely be better about making the documentation more user-friendly. Sorry about being a pain about this; CSD is something I personally try to construe narrowly and I happened across this only by chance. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 05:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's best that you err on caution. Liz Read! Talk! 13:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you...

...for closing this and related discussions. I have not always had the best experiences with ANI, so I am pleased that this was resolved quickly. Hopefully, that'll be the end of it. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, Josh Milburn. He had concerns, he aired them, the discussion was over. Let me know if it goes any farther than it did. :And probably the majority of editors here have had negative experiences at ANI. I know I spend less time there than I once did even though it is much less mob-like than it was, say, 5 years ago. Liz Read! Talk! 13:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of "Manchester Free Library Building, Home to the Spanish Instituto Cervantes"

How can you say this duplicates "Manchester Free Library"? The latter is very short, incomplete, and does not discuss the subsequent complicated history of both the building and the institution, as my article points out at the beginning. Ahmago (talk) 19:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Ahmago,
I have restored your article at Draft:Manchester Free Library Building so you can improve it and cut it down to a reasonable size. Please submit it for review at Articles for Creation before moving it to the encyclopedia. If you move it directly into the project, I think it will be tagged again for deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 19:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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For someone who appears to be keeping busy with patrolling. This is perhaps more appropriate for your volume of activity than my previous offer of coffee, although I hope that the coffee will fuel you for more patrolling. ↠Pine (✉) 06:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

Hello Liz. Thank you for inviting me to the Teahouse! I was not aware of its existence. Statistologist (talk) 01:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Statistologist,
If it wasn't for the Teahouse, I wouldn't be an editor on Wikipedia. I was very frustrated with Wikipedia when I started editing regularly back in 2013 and I went to the Teahouse with my questions. I got sensible, patient answers which helped me not take setbacks personally. It takes quite a while to get used to working on this project, there are a lot of guidelines and policies that other editors assume you know (which you won't know). Just take it slow and stay away from "controversial" subjects until you get more experience...they are a minefield. Find some topic of interest, like a hobby or favorite TV show or movie, and see if you can improve the article. Start with small changes, like fixing typos. Soon, you can work up to writing new articles. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 03:54, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the advice! I truly appreciate it, and will try to put it into practice. Statistologist (talk) 04:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock confirmation

Hi Liz,

under the condition that a renamer implements the request before the unblock, would you be fine with me asking a renamer to rename and unblock this user per WP:ROPE?

Thanks and best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 03:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, of course, ~ ToBeFree. It was just a username block. For a TERRIBLE username! If I was a renamer, I would change the name myself and lift the block.
Sorry to be inattentive to my notifications, my mind has been elsewhere. Liz Read! Talk! 03:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, agreed. Thanks and no worries! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of page - Request for reinstating page

Hi Liz, I'm very new to using Wikipedia and currently only use it to ensure work accounts are updated properly. My page on [[10]] was recently deleted. Would it be possible to have this reinstated to draft status so I can work on the content once more for review? Many thanks and much appreciated, Emma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma.smithWTH (talk • contribs) 10:34, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Emma.smithWTH, Draft:SixStarCruises is restored. Liz Read! Talk! 15:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's great - thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma.smithWTH (talk • contribs) 08:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

132.145.94.169

user:132.145.94.169 is now making death threats on her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 14:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have already notified WP:EMERGENCY about her. CLCStudent (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, CLCStudent, and I'm sorry you had to put up with that abuse. Liz Read! Talk! 15:15, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine. I am more concerned about the threats they made towards the Wikipedia office. CLCStudent (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jtydog

Could you notify me when the Jtydog decision is made? Thanks. Eschoryii (talk) 09:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the decision. Please disregard my request. Eschoryii (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category Talk:People from Palu

Hi Liz, I'm a bit confused why Category talk:People from Palu was deleted, Category:People from Palu clearly exists but in the edit summary it was said that it was the talk page of a nonexistent category. Inter&anthro (talk) 00:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Inter&anthro,
Here's what happened. Category talk:People from Palu, Indonesia was the talk page that should have been deleted. But it was a redirect to Category talk:People from Palu. After I deleted Category:People from Palu, Indonesia, because of a CfD decision, I clicked on the talk page to delete it as well but it took me to the redirected talk page and I deleted that by mistake. I usually catch these redirects but I slipped this time.
Thank you for pointing out my error. I have restored the right talk page and deleted the one that should have been deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 06:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tiganophyton deletion

H Hi, Liz. Id like to ask why you deleted the page Tiganophyton? Did you go through and understand the Criteria for speedy deletion? I created the redirect to the page I was currently working on. I know that you are an educated person(or probably not?), you COULD HAVE ASKED OTHER USERS FIRST to create the redirect-to page, or just NOMINATED/TAGGED the page first for deletion so that the it could still be contended. Or delicadeza says, you could have messaged first the user who created the page.. I believe that there is a talk page even on redirect pages(or you didnt know?).. Please be careful next time you delete pages. Just saying.. Jp2593 (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Jp2593,
It was a broken redirect to Tiganophyton karasense. Do not create redirects to blank pages (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G8. Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page). Broken redirects are deleted, they do not need to be nominated.
Create the target page first, and then create a redirect to it. Do not create a redirect to a nonexistent page. Feel free to create a new redirect once the target page is created. Liz Read! Talk! 17:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Empty cat heads up

Hey Liz, as a heads up you'll see a whole bunch more empty Muay Thai cats on today's report; in case you weren't already aware, as spelled out at Talk:Muay Thai#Muay Thai or muay Thai, this is a result of a misguided user attempting a manual mass category tree rename without discussion, and many of the empty ones will eventually be repopulated, so I would hod off on any CSD C1 nominations for those cats for now until the mess is cleaned up. Best as always, UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, UnitedStatesian. All I've been doing this morning has been addressing this spelling dispute. I have tagged a lot of empty muay thai categories which I did before seeing your message. It looks like other editors & admins have been reverting some of the category changes, too. I'm just trying to set everything back before this mass change. I believe there is a script that would revert all of an editor's edits but that is too blunt of an instrument for this case.
You're right, this needed to go through CFD, probably speedy rename. I don't know which spelling is correct but I do know this is not how to make these changes across hundreds of articles. Liz Read! Talk! 17:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think you went a little overboard with the reversions. Some of Natboss's edits, like Special:Diff/952212240, also worked to subcategorise the articles by gender. I think it would have been better to leave the newly created categories and rename them later according to consensus. The subcategorisation is lost through the reversion. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Väsby IK

Hello!

You deleted this draft. I didn't really create the draft, I just moved its content to Väsby IK HK and since I moved it I stand as the creator in the "View history" tab. After I moved it I changed the redirect to a disambiguation page. After that another uses chose to pursue a real article, and it was then it was moved to draft. After that the user abandoned it and you deleted it. Instead of deletion can you perhaps restore the latest version before the disambiguation was removed?Jonteemil (talk) 05:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And when I mean restoring it I mean at Väsby IK of course. I don't think a disambiguation page will do good in the draft namespace.Jonteemil (talk) 05:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Jonteemil,
There is a page at Väsby IK HK. Is that the same subject? A lot of these drafts get moved around a lot. Liz Read! Talk! 14:19, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Väsby IK HK was originally at Väsby IK, then I moved it. Väsby IK is the club and Väsby IK HK and Väsby IK FK are two of its sections. Someone tried to make an article of the club and it was then it was moved to draft, and then deleted as an abandoned draft. Please restore my latest version where it was still a disambiguation page.Jonteemil (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored Draft:Väsby IK. This looks like the page you were working on that I deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 14:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, it wasn't I that was working on it. I just moved the page to Väsby IK HK. Anyhow, I restored the disambiguation page and moved it to mainspace. You may delete the redirect at Draft:Väsby IK. Thanks for the restoring!Jonteemil (talk) 15:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bert Hesse

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I have been busy at work and haven't had time to do anything with the Bert Hesse page. You restored it for me in my sandbox and then deleted it again. Is there a time limit on fixing it in the sandbox? Can you restore it and let me have a week to fix it? Thank you.. I have so much to learn about Wikipedia but I am determined to become better at it.

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My page about Bert Hesse was deleted. I am new to Wikipedia. I know there was an old article that was deleted previously deleted however, mine had many references. I would like to have a chance to learn what I did wrong and resubmit it. Can you give me a copy of the page so I can put it in the place where I get feedback/help before posting it live?

Thanks for your patience with me. I want to learn how to use Wikipedia. Michelle2w (talk) 16:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Michelle2w[reply]

I've replied to a similar query here. ‑ Iridescent 17:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Michelle2w, it looks like Iridescent gave you a very complete response. Liz Read! Talk! 19:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

Hey Liz, if you are willing to wait till this evening Sydney time, I'll fix all the categories back to the way they were. The time estimate that BHG gave was vastly overinflated. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 21:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked all the 20th-century articles with surname beginning with "A" and "B". Took me about 20 minutes, once I get going I can probably go faster. I can do this tonight. Please let me know if this is OK. Rolling back for now actually will slow me down (though not by much to be honest). - Chris.sherlock (talk) 21:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Chris, I'll hold off reverting these if that would be easier for you. It seems like you have an awful lot going on in your life to be concerned about category changes on Wikipedia but if you'd prefer to make these changes, that's fine with me. I'll check back at this time tomorrow and take care of any ones that need to be undone. Take care, Liz Read! Talk! 22:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Liz, I’m really sorry. I got through a number of article before my head nearly hit the keyboard. It was an emotional day yesterday and I was exhausted. I had to get some sleep. I’m about to recommence the reverts. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 02:45, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Chris, there really isn't an urgency to do this today. It is simpler to revert edits, in part or full, if there haven't been subsequent edits, that's the main reason to get to it soon. But this can get done in the next day or so. It's been a hard week. Liz Read! Talk! 03:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Liz, I've finished fixing the categories now. It's all done. Just thought you should know. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 13:56, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for letting me know, Chris. Liz Read! Talk! 20:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism

User Havsjö still vandalism on article Nguyễn dynasty and also Empire of Vietnam. Please check it and limit this user. 2601:204:E37F:FFF1:E03B:9F6D:1F64:5239 (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a content dispute, not vandalism. Please start a discussion on the article talk page, 2601:204:E37F:FFF1:E03B:9F6D:1F64:5239. Liz Read! Talk! 18:55, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Book Without Chapters, can it be undeleted, please guide.

I, Rohitisofalmighty created the above page based on my original work (a novel). You deleted it, stating g8 violation, and I respect your action, as I saw your long esteemed experience in this field (I must be wrong somewhere, I guess). Please tell, how to rectify my mistake (I am willing to make any changes you suggest) and try to be back on Wikipedia. Thanks and regards, Rohit Sharma. Rohitisofalmighty (talk) 20:11, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rohit,
Actually, I didn't delete your article. I deleted the redirect from your sandbox to the article which, for some reason, you moved into the Wikipedia project space at Wikipedia:A Book Without Chapters. Admin CambridgeBayWeather deleted the article, seeing it as a "test page".
But I have restored the page and moved it to User:Rohitisofalmighty/sandbox. Please submit it through Articles for Creation for evaluation by an experienced editor rather than moving it into the encyclopedia as, in its present state, it will be deleted again if you do so. Liz Read! Talk! 20:45, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Swamp Donkey

Hello Liz. Thank you for the welcome and the helpful links. I see you killed my Swamp Donkey page. It was the first of many that was going to be part of a new topic I was going to author. Possible title would have been "The toxicity of American politics and the impact of polorizing propaganda". It was going to consist of a section on Democrats. A section on Republicans. A section on Liberals. My intention was not to attack anyone. My intention was to provide factual information for future generations. Something you are not going to find in today's media and their archives. It's understandable that a person could think this was a partisan attack being that it's incomplete. Sadly, I have to sleep, articles I am obligated to write and publish, eat, etc. The simple fact is that it is not a attack. I'm taking a honest look at all three, equally. I don't expect people to "enjoy" the information. Knowledge doews not always bring joy. Knowledge and truth has no bias when it comes to emotions. If you dislike something does that make it untrue? I don't like the information anyomre than you or any other. If Wikipedia is to be unbiased and accurate all factual information should be allowed. I could argue that your removal of the page is an attack on Wikipedia You have taken a partisan stance and put your personal view before the actual truth. It's a diservice to the world and an insult to the academica community. Who put you in charge of what knowledge is or is not? Curious to how many actual peer reviewed papers you have written and published. There are 2 types of truths. First is actual proven solid facts. For example, "a tree is called a tree because it is a tree","Trump is president", "I did support Obama", "America used a nuke on Japan", "we live on the planet earth", "when I was a kid, we had a party at my house. a friend of my brother used to pick on me so when he drank too much and passed out on the lawn, I urinated on his head". Second type of truth are what you feel to be true . It's based on youe emotions, feelings, opinions, faith, desires. For example. "I believe in god", "I believe in satan", " the democrats are the best party", "this president sucks". Your decisions fall under the second type. Quit working with your feelings. You won't hear from me on this again. It's included in a book I'm writing and other publications. Just thought I'd help out at Wikipedia. Turns out this place is just a bunch of political hacks putting out half truths. Have a good day and thank you foir your time.Deplorableme (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Deplorableme,
I think you misunderstand what Wikipedia is for. It is not for you to post your point of view & ideas of "truth", every claim has to be reliably sourced to academic or mainstream newspapers, books, journals, etc. This isn't about feelings, it's about Wikipedia policy which everyone has to follow, regardless of their personal political viewpoints. Liz Read! Talk! 03:10, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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G8 deletion of Cleantechnica.com ?

Hello Liz, Yesterday I created a stub for a news outlet CleanTechnica and along with it a redirect to it from its Internet domain name, Cleantechnica.com. Such a redirect is handy for other articles that use source citations in the form of the Internet domain name. Some hours later the redirect was deleted (by you) as G8. But as far as I can see, the redirect was pointing to the intended page (and had itself a number of uses). I am always interested in improving my editing skills, so if you could take a moment to explain if I did anything wrong, then I would appreciate it - and if not then all the best. Kind regards, Lklundin (talk) 04:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PS. I went ahead a re-created the redirect, making sure that its pointing is as intended. Lklundin (talk) 04:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Lklundin,
The page was a broken redirect, it was pointing to a nonexistent page and was listed on the Broken redirect page. As such, since it couldn't be redirected to a suitable page, it was deleted.
There is no problem with recreating deleted redirects if they now point to a suitable page (one that exists and is appropriate). Also, redirects that have been deleted via deletion discussions at RfD shouldn't be recreated but that wasn't the case here. It now looks like the recreated redirect is fine. I hope that answers your questions. Liz Read! Talk! 04:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Thanks for getting back to me. What maybe happened is that I created the article itself from a redlink and then also created the redirect at that time, so not from a redlink. I will pay better attention next time. Thank you! Lklundin (talk) 05:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's no problem, these things happen all of the time. I work a lot with categories and editors are always creating categories before they need to use them. Like broken redirects, empty categories can always be recreated when they do end up needing them. Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back and apology (Category:Academics from Quebec category dispute)

Hello Liz, I am back from a 72 hour absence while I'm blocked. Now I would like to say I am extremely sorry and I was extremely panicking regarding the Category:Academics from Quebec and I was caught disruptive editing by another administrator. But I was very angry on a category dispute regarding Category:Academics from Quebec which is a confused duplicate of another original category titled Category:Academics in Quebec which was originally created. Before I continue speaking from the category dispute. I have avoided a block evasion myself by not getting caught with another IP name 2001 by me, so once again I avoid the block evasion successfully. Now regarding the category dispute and I was very angry regarding Category:Academics from Quebec because it was a confused category from another category was originally created called Category:Academics in Quebec. If it doesn't solve the problem take the category Category:Academics from Quebec to be added at the "Categories for discussion" to downmerge to Category:Academics in Quebec. The Category:Academics in Quebec has the most articles and the disputed category Category:Academics from Quebec only has a few articles but needs downmerge to Category:Academics in Quebec at the Categories for discussion. If it doesn't resolve the category dispute between Category:Academics from Quebec and Category:Academics in Quebec, take the Category:Academics from Quebec to be nominated and downmerge the category at Categories for discussion as my special request. Note most IP cannot nominate categories and put them for discussion. So I once again I am here to say I am sorry I was caught disruptive editing while panicking. Liz, if you read my good comment I hope you will accept my apology and maybe for my request put the Category:Academics from Quebec to be nominated at the Categories for discussion and finally nominate Category:Enteratiners from Montreal to nominated to downmerge to Category:People from Montreal because there is no category containing the Category:Entertainers from (Canadian city). The Entertainers from category is only found on 50 American states including Washington, D.C., for an example Category:Entertainers from Massachusetts, Category:Entertainers from Texas or Category:Entertainers from Florida etc. can be found. Category:Enteratiners from Montreal will be nominated to be downmerged to Category:People from Montreal at the Categories for discussion because there is no Canadian city that has the Entertainers from. So, thank you and I am back from editing Wikipedia from editing from my abscence to avoid a block evasion by myself and I hope you will accept my apology. Also for my request could you nominate the confused category dispute Category:Academics from Quebec to be downmerged to Category:Academics in Quebec at the Categories for discussion and also nominate Category:Enteratiners from Montreal to downmerge to Category:People from Montreal at the Categories for discussion. I will be happy for your reply. I thank you and all the best to you! Sleep well! 2001:569:74D2:A800:3D1D:CE7D:B01E:1138 (talk) 05:20, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't discern your comment. Could you boil your request down to two sentences, with no bolding? Liz Read! Talk! 05:23, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I will try again, for my request could you nominate and add the Category:Academics from Quebec to downmerge to the Category:Academics in Quebec at the Categories for discussion? The disputed confused Category:Academics from Quebec only has one article to be downmerging to Category:Academics in Quebec, and nominate the Category:Entertainers from Montreal to be downmerge to "Category:People from Montreal" at the CFD? Both categroies will be nominated per my request at the CFD. I hope CFD will be solved. Thanks Liz! 2001:569:74D2:A800:3D1D:CE7D:B01E:1138 (talk) 05:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your conciseness. Looking at Category:Canadian academics by province or territory, it seems like both "in" and "from" are used even though they have different meanings. So, a merger could be proposed although there might be objections and a preference expressed for "from" over "in". But I will propose a merger in the morning.
Regarding Category:Entertainers from Montreal, it's a subcategory of Category:People from Montreal by occupation. It's a common occupational category and I don't see the logic in having it merged away into a generic People category. Liz Read! Talk! 05:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Liz for your reply I shortened my comments as many as I can. Did you accept my apology on panic editing while I was caught disruptive editing lead to my block? If so, I don't want to be caught disruptive editing again and I have successfully avoid a block evasion while I'm gone from Wikipedia. I am here to say thank you for assisting me and I will continuously look forward if there is problems with you. Sleep well Liz! 2001:569:74D2:A800:3D1D:CE7D:B01E:1138 (talk) 05:57, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Academics from Ontario category dispute (forgot one more subject)

For my next request please Category:Academics from Ontario to downmerge to Category:Academics in Ontario at the Categories for discussion. This is also another confused disputed category from the original Category:Academics in Ontario. Category:Academics from Ontario only has one article too, but needs downmerge to Category:Academics in Ontario per my request. Thanks. 2001:569:74D2:A800:3D1D:CE7D:B01E:1138 (talk) 06:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CLAIM

Information icon Hello, I'm MehmetFarukSahin. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. I've reverted an edit of yours [11] that changed a neutral tone to the word "claim". Which among the words to be avoided per WP:CLAIM. Thank you and have a nice day. MehmetFarukSahin (talk) 15:01, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, MehmetFarukSahin. It's odd you know about Wikipedia policy as a brand-new account. This is your second edit! Liz Read! Talk! 16:13, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BLP violation: Tara Reade

Hi Liz,

I'm not the perfect editor to bring this to you, I have only a few minutes so please bear with me. At the Joe Biden sexual assault allegation page, Reade has been disallowed any mention of "corroborating" accounts even though they are well covered by the top sources, such as https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/29/sexual-allegations-against-joe-biden-corroborators/.

Just as with the Biden page and addition of the allegation there in late March, the material was removed, and an RfC started within minutes. The removal does not appear to have had consensus, as most editors find the sourcing valid and the material DUE. Per BLP, this material is required, and from what I understand, the material should be returned and treated as an emergency, overriding any attempt to postpone it by an RfC. Right now there is only rebuttal from one side. I'm at work and cannot babysit this, but I know from WP:BLP that this requires special attention. I am also pinging Slim Virgin in case you are busy. I'm hoping someone can please look into this ASAP. Today is the very day most people will be looking at the page, which is due to Biden's appearance on MSNBC this morning. It is an outrage that our coverage right now excludes all mention of the corroboration, but covers Biden's in full. petrarchan47คุก 19:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Petrarchan47, there is an RfC going on right now about including this material in the article. I'm not going to go in and unilaterally overrule an ongoing RfC (which seems to be leaning in support of your stance). I don't believe this is an emergency and, on Wikipedia, we err on the side of caution when editing BLPs.
Also, this is the only subject you've been editing for over 3 weeks now. I encourage you to spend your time editing other subjects so you don't lose perspective. When one becomes overly invested in a dispute, one can make mistakes that get one in trouble. Take a step back, realize that this article is not going to disappear and collaborate with others to improve it over time. As long as Biden is a candidate in an upcoming election, readers will be interested in this article. Liz Read! Talk! 19:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Liz. Helpful input. petrarchan47คุก 21:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion of problematic BLP ?

Hello Liz,

Some days ago you kindly provided me with help regarding a deletion of a redirect.

I was wondering if you could also help with the following.

A couple of weeks ago I became aware of a BLP that I considered to be entirely inappropriate.

In spite of the article having mostly (or entirely) to do with real-life crime accusations, it did not seem to fit our (narrow) criteria for speedy deletion.

So I brought it up on the notice board where another editor made an agreeing albeit surprising argument and nominated it for deletion: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive301#Martin_Tripp

However, around the time when the waiting period had lapsed, another editor removed the nomination (without otherwise changing the article or explaining why it should stay): [12].

The user who first nominated the article for deletion then brought it up at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Martin_Tripp

To the surprise of myself and several others who supported the deletion, the nominator, the editor who took down the original nomination and a third, apparent SPA are arguing that the article should be merged into another article.

Since then nothing is happening - meaning that the problem with the crime accusations continues to appear on the BLP article.

I feel that this is inappropriate, but have far more experience in creating than deleting articles.

Since you seem to be both helpful and knowledgeable on the topic of article deletion, I take the liberty of suggesting that you have a look at this and make your voice heard.

Thank you for your time. Lklundin (talk) 08:21, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Lklundin,
Thanks for the compliment but I actually don't participate much in AfD discussions although I do frequently delete pages tagged for speedy deletion, especially categories and redirects.
But I looked at the AfD discussion and I don't see any editor arguing that this page should be kept. The AfD should be closed in the next day or so, either as Delete or Merge and if it is Merge, you should have the ability to influence what information is included. Most of the unsourced allegations, here and here, have been removed. I can see why you objected to the original article.
I am concerned though that the page creator, who hasn't been active for months, was never notified of the AfD discussion by Springee who nominated the article for deletion. The page creator should always be invited to participate in a deletion discussion, even if they are apparently absent. Liz Read! Talk! 14:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Liz, under normal circumstances I would notify editors about a AfD (not that I've done many). However, in this case the original editor looks way to much like a paid or otherwise NOTHERE editor [[13]]. Since they were apparently gone I didn't bother. That said, absent proof of my suspicious I guess I should have. If they are really gone then nothing will come of the notice. Springee (talk) 17:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's a formality if the editor is no longer editing, but it's just good practice. Thanks for the explanation, Springee! Liz Read! Talk! 16:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Category:Black elite

Hello, @Liz:...

I've been working on the abovementioned page since you nominated it for a speedy deletion. I thought that perhaps you could look at it and see if you thought that it was alright now. I would've removed your notice myself, but I thought that that would be presumptuous of me.

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O.ominirabluejack (talk) 14:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, O.ominirabluejack,
The category was tagged simply because it was empty. It is no longer empty so the tag has been removed. You were smart not to remove the tag, page creators are not supposed to remove speedy deletion tags. Good luck with your editing! Liz Read! Talk! 16:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for telling me, and for nominating it to begin with. I made it and promptly forgot about it, and probably wouldn't have gotten back to completing it if you hadn't.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hi Liz, hope you’re having a great day, I have a question. So for a while now I have been updating popular singers discography pages, I have been updating the number of amount of “Singles” being released under the artists. All of a sudden I am getting a message on my talk page saying I’m being suspected of vandalism. Now all I’ve been doing is just updating the numbers for some odd reason other users are reverting the edits. I’m getting a bit confused because all I’ve been doing is updating the number of the correct “lead singles” released under the artists name... other users have been combining “lead singles” with “featured singles“... now I’m not sure if that’s the correct way the discography page template is supposed to be set up (categorically by lead singles only or lead singles plus featured singles combined) I had just assumed lead singles only in the template since it’s specifically the artists singles being released under their name/label, and featured singles are just singles that aren’t technically being released under their name or label since they are just a feature on a song. I also do include the featured singles number in the description. Hopefully all of this makes sense, please feel free to take a look at my edit history and see for yourself. Hopefully you’ll be able to give me answer to this since it’s a bit frustrating. Pillowdelight (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Pillowdelight,
First, the editor you should be discussing these problems with is the editor who posted the warning on your user talk page. Clearly, your edits have aroused some suspicion and it's the editors who are posting the warnings who would know what behavior of yours this was. I know it's natural to get defensive when criticized but direct communication is always the quickest way to find out what the problem is. You are a relatively new editor and while it may at first be uncomfortable, collaboration on Wikipedia typically involves working with other editors who might have a different understanding than your own of best practices. If you don't work out these misunderstandings, you could end up in an edit war that can easily lead to a block on your editing which is what you want to avoid. And if the editor is more experienced than you, which is the case here, this is an opportunity to correct any mistakes you might be making.
I'm not an expert in this field and the only guidance I could find is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Discographies and Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums#Discography and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines#Discographies which are not very detailed. If you have general questions about editing biographies of singers, I'd ask questions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians. There is also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discographies but it doesn't seem to be a very active project.
I hope this helps. In general, it always helps to ask advice from an editor who is experienced in the field you are working in. That's how we all learn best practices here on the project. And please know that even editors who have been editing for decades still get users who come to talk pages with questions about their edits. Liz Read! Talk! 14:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN

Hey Liz, thank you for your concern in my talk page, actually I have done broad research on Wikipedia and read a lot about the encyclopedia hence I have a broad knowledge on it. Concerning the article about Kipchumba Murkomen it is clear that the article is posing personal threat to the subject calling him a thief. The article also does not reliable independent sources. Thats why I nominated it. I don’t have another account, in fact if I had one I would have cited it or else I would be accused of using multiple accounts. Please consider those since I believe you are an experienced Wikipedian December200 (talk) 18:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article didn't need to be deleted, it has existed in one form or another for two years. The vandalism just needed to be reverted. There's no reason to delete an article along with its history if you can just remove the damage that has been done. And yes, the article needs to some work to get in better shape.
Thanks for the response. Liz Read! Talk! 18:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COVID

By following a "thank" notification today, that lead me to Natureium and then eventually Chris' page, I noticed Special:Diff/952733693. I wanted to let you know that I'm sorry for your loss. This also gives more context to your recent query about my mother's status. Thanks again for your concerns, —PaleoNeonate – 06:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For the record

If I was running a RfA, and I said, categorically, that blocked editors couldn't remove their block notices, it would go south quicker that Kid Sisco  :) all the best, serial # 17:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Why don't you go for that RfA? Liz Read! Talk! 17:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My union don't approve the pay scale  :) anyway, just thought I'd mention it. Take care! serial # 18:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at User talk:Marchjuly#Edits to Charles Hazlewood's page

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Marchjuly#Edits to Charles Hazlewood's page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

Hi Liz. Perhaps you or one of your talk page watchers can help out Henri of Wells. She tried to update Charles Hazelwood, an article written about her husband, but was reverted by another editor; I've tried to advise her about COI, etc., but she seems want fast results or to have the article deleted. She seems to have the best intentions, but just doesn't quite understand how Wikipedia works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a look at it, Marchjuly. Liz Read! Talk! 15:26, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Liz. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Mysticism

Thank you for commenting on my proposal for a WikiProject Mysticism at Wikipedia: WikiProject Council. I suggested we leave a template at the top of articles informing Wikipedians of proposals for new WikiProjects, but I was told that information about WikiProjects should go on the talk pages. I have left information on the talk pages of articles relevant to mysticism, as well as on the talk pages of related WikiProjects, about my proposal. Before I go I have one question - how many members do you think a WikiProject needs to stay active? Thank you for your interest in my proposal. Vorbee (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vorbee, I don't think you should put templates on articles or articles' talk page with this type of request. The type of WikiProject templates that are put on article talk pages are assessments, not invitations. I think the written invitations that you put on, like at Talk:Kabbalah, are okay. But know that unless an article is heavily edited, these talk page notices might not be seen very soon. It might be better to survey the article's edit history and see if there are some primary editors (who have recently edited) and invite them to your WikiProject on their user talk page. And when you see the WikiProjects associated with an article like this, you post an invitation on those WikiProject's talk page.
There isn't a set number of editors for a WikiProject but I think 6-8 editors would be ideal. This number would allow for editor's changing schedules and fluctuating levels of interest. Liz Read! Talk! 20:06, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response, Vorbee (talk) 06:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bot

Just wanted to drop a note that the bot is now approved and functional (and works as expected). Since you are one of the primary admins dealing with empty categories, you can choose to patrol Category:Empty categories with no backlinks to find categories that are not used in any manner and might be appropriate for G6/C1/CfD, feel free to drop a note to anyone else who might want to patrol the category. If you'd like to see some more features relating to the bot, do let me know. Good luck! --qedk (t 愛 c) 17:29, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the head's up, QEDK. It's appreciated. I hope any feedback I offer is helpful.
It looks like Category:Empty categories with no backlinks are all category redirects and there must be tens of thousands more of them. I guess they will eventually be tagged? Liz Read! Talk! 18:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Would you prefer it to be all categories? I am running it for now with redirect categories for now because I want to exhaust one type of category first and then skip it next (and because the template asks admins to delete them if they don't have any use). After the first run tomorrow (which will take a while due to the sheer number of categories), if you want we can move on to tagging more categories after dropping a note at WP:BOTN. --qedk (t 愛 c) 18:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
QEDK, I don't really understand how it works or how to answer your question. I'm used to tagging the empty categories on the Database list every day and deleting them if they are empty 7 days later. It's one of my daily tasks I try to keep up with. I don't know if the bot will now replace that database list & my work or if it's just another assist in the process on top of our existing efforts.
I just know that your bot should not tag redirect categories or those that are the subject of a CfD discussion and I hope you have built that into the bot. It also needs to notify the page creator that the empty category has been tagged (but not yet deleted). Those are the three steps I'm concerned about. Liz Read! Talk! 21:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The bot deletes categories that meet C1 criteria automatically, so tagged > 7 days, not a category redirect and the rest of the criteria. The bot does not replace the list, it will still be there. It won't tag any category redirects, or CfD-ed categories, only the ones that explicitly meet the C1 criteria. However, the bot does not inform category creators of the deletion because 1) it's not compulsory 2) no one raised it during the approval process and I did not make the feature. It's certainly a possible feature but it will require modification to the current mandate so it would need a WP:BOTN discussion. If you think that the bot should do this, I'll start a new discussion but until then it won't inform any editors. Hope that clears it up. --qedk (t 愛 c) 06:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Categorization of User:Liz/Whiteboard8

JFYI, your sandbox page User:Liz/Whiteboard8 is in following non-hidden categories:

which may be unintentional. —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm sure that is because of the templates I posted there, andrybak. Thanks for the notice, I'll see if I can remove them. Liz Read! Talk! 13:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Curse language

Hey Liz, hope you’re doing well. I wanted to reach out to you and ask about the policies of curse language on Wikipedia? I have seen several occasions of a certain user who I have seen more than once now use curse words when editing on here. Their username is Livelikemusic, please see Chromatica as they refer to as saying their or another users visual editor is a “b****”. Several months ago I had also noticed this same user had also referred to other users editing as “s*** editing” when the user was insisting they were correct. This type of behavior should not be used on here whatsoever, Other users and myself should not be seeing this at all on here. I am a Christian and I would like something done about this. I do believe maybe a block would be suitable, as I have stated before this behavior seems to be very common with this user. Pillowdelight (talk) 00:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Pillowdelight,
Regarding this editor and this article, I could only find one edit where they refer to the editing software, Visual Editor, not an user, as a bitch (meaning, it's a problem). If it had been directed at a person, I could have warned them about personal attacks but it wasn't directed at any individual. I do not think this is egregious misconduct and doesn't qualify as a personal attack. This is usually required to block an editor for incivility, they have to be incivil to or attacking another editor.
If you have ever had any "curse words" directed at you, please let me know along with a link to the specific edit. I have to be able to look at the individual edit to see what the problem is. I'm sorry you are offended by the occasional use of coarse language and I hope it doesn't keep you from participating on the project. Liz Read! Talk! 01:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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IP is repeating attacks on same page, so more may need deleting, if you can help. Thanks! Schazjmd (talk) 23:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Never mind, Ponyo got it. Schazjmd (talk) 23:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hospitality companies of South America question about deletion

Hi, just wanted to know what the reasons are to deleting the categories. Were they empty, or only a few entries in each? Or is there a better category tree that you are recommending? What is happening to the articles that were in the hospitality categories? Thanks, Funandtrvl (talk) 18:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Funandtrvl,
Category:Hospitality companies of South America was just tagged as an empty category (see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#C1. Unpopulated categories). If it is still empty in 7 days, it will be deleted. If any appropriate pages are put in the category over the next week, the tag will be removed. I'm not recommending an alternative category, just informing you that this one is empty. I don't know what has happened to any articles that were in this category as Wikipedia doesn't maintain that kind of record...category changes are in an article's history, not the category history.
It looks like the parent category Category:Hospitality industry in South America isn't really being utilized but Category:Hotels in South America by country is active. You can compare how the South American Hospitality category is being used by looking at Category:Hospitality companies by continent for comparison. Liz Read! Talk! 19:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I thought it was because it's empty. Just trying not to create categories outside of the normal tree. Funandtrvl (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RSP Inc.

1) Read the WP:ROLLBACK policy. You are an administrator so I would assume that you know when to use this tool and when not to use it. Misusing this tool instead of manually writing an edit summary is unacceptable especially on the part of an administrator who is supposed to set the example.

2) RSP Inc has no connection with Running with Scissors (company). This is a redirect that should have never been created in the first place. The least you can do is deleting the redirect page altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.253.101 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, please sign your post using four tildes (~~~~). I would assume you'd know this.
Second, Riedel Software Productions (RSP) is mentioned throughout the Running with Scissors (company) article. It is a logical redirect.
I encounter people that randomly change redirects to blank pages almost daily. It is inappropriate to change a valid redirect to direct to a blank page. If you disagree with a redirect nominate it for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, do not change the redirect to a blank page as its target. I would assume you would know this, too. Liz Read! Talk! 13:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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March Drive: Self-isolation from coronavirus may have played a hand in making this one of our most successful backlog elimination drives. The copy-editing backlog was reduced from 477 to a record low of 118 articles, a 75% reduction. The last four months of 2019 were cleared, reducing the backlog to three months. Fifty requests were also completed, and the total word count of copy-edited articles was 759,945. Of the 29 editors who signed up, 22 completed at least one copy edit. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

April Blitz: This blitz ran from 12 to 18 April with a theme of Indian military history. Of the 18 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Participants claimed a total of 60 copyedits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

May Drive: This event marked the 10th anniversary of the GOCE's copy-editing drives, and set a goal of diminishing the backlog to just one month of articles, as close to zero articles as possible. We achieved the goal of eliminating all articles that had been tagged prior to the start of the drive, for the first time in our history! Of the 51 editors who signed up, 43 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Other news

Progress report: as of 2 June, GOCE participants had processed 328 requests since 1 January, which puts us on pace to exceed any previous year's number of requests. As of the end of the May drive, the backlog stood at just 156 articles, all tagged in May 2020.

Outreach: To mark the 10th anniversary of our first Backlog Elimination Drive, The Signpost contributor and GOCE participant Puddleglum2.0 interviewed project coordinators and copy-editors for the journal's April WikiProject Report. The Drive and the current Election of Coordinators have also been covered in The Signpost's May News and Notes page.

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g13

I restored Draft:Mark G. Lawrence. After a little fixing , it would surely have passed afd as wp:prof;also Draft:Romano Pirola .who ,though the article is very sketchy, is OA. ; alo, Klaus-Dieter Liss:


and Adobe Capativate prime LMS as a product of a major company would surely be worth a redirect.


DGG' ( talk ) 06:51, 6 June 2020 (UTC)and[reply]

Augustinian categories

Hello,

Although I agree with you that emptying categories was a mistake (because I was not familiar with the Categories for Discussion), I think your reversions of my edits are unconstructive and did more harm than good.

Categories that have been untouched for 14 years does not necessarily mean that they had "stood the test of time", it may only mean that nobody has looked at them as well.

You have reverted to, for example, having churches (buildings) in a category that is meant for organizations.

You should take a closer look at what you are reverting and check if it is necessary. As you like to stress "Do not follow an overly strict interpretation of the letter of policy without consideration for the principles of policies." Right? Kaklen (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

== == This is about a page i made i need help?

This is about a page i made i need help?
I created a page called "ZVZ" and it got removed,
I don`t understand the reason:
Deletion log 04:02 Liz talk contribs deleted page Category:ZVZ ‎(G6: Obviously created in error)
Where did i create an error?

--Boss GamerYT (talk) 12:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Boss GamerYT,
You put article content on a Category page. That is not what categories are for. They are navigational tools to organize pages and do not have content on them. It looks like you are at work at Draft:ZVZ so you do not any deleted content restored. Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vidgo Deletion

Hello, Liz!

Four years ago, the Vidgo page was deleted for being introduced "too soon," which is clearly the case and was rightfully deleted. This time around, I planned on making a full Wikipedia entry with all of the appropriate information; however, when I returned the next day (today), it was already deleted. What I posted yesterday was very bare-bones and had little content but I was hoping to add much of that content today and over the next few days. How can I get this entry reinstated? Do I need to add some sort of "Draft" tag to keep it from getting deleted until I've had the chance to make a complete entry?

Thanks,

John

Hello, Jharris327,
I have moved your draft to User:Jharris327/sandbox. When you think it is in decent shape, please submit it to Articles for Creation to get it reviewed. If you move it directly into the encyclopedia, it will likely get deleted again. If you have questions, please visit the the Teahouse. Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you, Liz! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jharris327 (talk • contribs) 17:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Books & Bytes – Issue 39, May – June 2020

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Redirection help

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Thank you for fixing the broken link in my article contribution. However, I would like to apprise you of the fact that the person about whom I contributed the article about is named Anuj Khanna Sohum, which I have mistakenly mentioned as Anuj Kumar Sohum in the draft header initially. I have also included several citations that support this fact. Since I am not so sure about editing the header, I put a redirect so as to provide the name match for the person. --Anthony. William.Hyde (talk) 06:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disambiguation-stop

Hello! I saw that you removed my CSD tag from Category:Disambiguation-stop and I'm wondering why. From my investigation everything points towards this being a category that has only ever been used by the now deleted template {{Disambiguation-stop}} where someone simply forgot to delete this category when implementing Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2016_September_10#Template:Disambiguation-stop. I've reread the category page, the TfD, as well as looked through all links to the page and a source search to pick up if there is some other mention/use of the category and found nothing. Just because the TfD is old doesn't mean that we shouldn't finish the cleanup. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 17:46, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Trialpears,
A couple of points. First, the category has an Empty Category tag on it that asks for the category to not be deleted even if it is empty. And there are only 2 options for speedy deletion of categories, the primary one being CSD C1, which is for empty categories. This category has a tag that prevents deletion on that basis. The only other option is for speedy renames and you are not looking to rename or merge this category.
The way categories typically get deleted is by proposing it for deletion at Categories for Discussion. You have some good reasons on your side so post your proposal at CFD and the category will likely be deleted. Liz Read! Talk! 21:32, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I am well aware that it was not eligible for C1, but I tried to delete it under G8 which includes the following sentence categories populated by deleted or retargeted templates. The category in question has only been added using the Template {{Disambiguation-stop}} and said template was deleted at TfD. I've used {{db-templatecat}} many times before to delete categories associated with templates deleted at TfD and have never had any problem. If you still don't think it satisfy G8 I guess I'll take it to CfD. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the C* options, all of the G* options apply to categories as well. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination

(Following discussion here.) So, I just nominated you for the Strategy transition process Design Group, per Iridescent's recommendation. I hope that's okay. (I would have asked first, but there's less than 20 minutes remaining in the nominations period, and I'm hoping that at least some people in the group will be from the community's side of things. If you don't want to do it, you can always just not accept the nomination.) --Yair rand (talk) 23:43, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Richard_J._Eden

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From: BernardUK 10:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Update: I have now had a new version of the article reviewed by User:Sulfurboy and I am taking my questions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk.

Bernardboase 17:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Deleting maintenance categories generated by temples

See also this posting to your talk page on the same subject on 16 April 2017 -- to which you did not reply before the end of June 2017 (diff)

I have ask you twice now on two different category talk pages. See

The first one on 18 May 2020 and the second one on 22 June 2020‎.

Why have you not replied to either request explaining why you put the categories up for deletion? -- PBS (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Hi, Liz - I realize the notice is automatic and doesn't distinguish between site banned sock accounts or users, but what do you think about adding an instruction in the code to not add the notice "if"? We have the same issue in AfC and NPP as well. Maybe it would be easier if CU/admins added a hidden site-ban notice at the top of the UTP page (like what archive bot uses) when they close an investigation or community discussion? Atsme Talk 📧 16:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Users who have reduced their editing levels due to WP:FRAM has been nominated for discussion

Category:Users who have reduced their editing levels due to WP:FRAM has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. No offense intended, but I think its usefulness has subsided. BD2412 T 02:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Request Undelete/Restoration of "Steve Perillo" Article

The following action was taken: 15:37, 19 February 2016 Liz talk contribs deleted page Steve Perillo (Expired PROD, concern was: No real assertion of notability; business owner of non-notable company with a few passing mentions in media articles not actually about him) (thank)

In terms of notability:

Parodied on Saturday Night Live by Adam Sandler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbwlC2B-BIg

General Press mention: https://njmonthly.com/articles/jersey-travel/perillo-tours-steve-perillo-tour-de-force/

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2020).

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Category:Villages in Aberdeen

Could you please undelete this category, although it was empty for over 7 days there is discussion at Talk:Cults, Aberdeen#Village or Suburb about this. Given that the person who objected hasn't replied for over a week now I think I should re add the categories and if they think the category/classification as being inappropriate they can file a CFD, see also discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Where does it actually say you should not just empty a category you don't like?, thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:31, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could you look at

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Arbitration report.

Bri is pretty much away now.

I'd just like a 2nd opinion on whether

  • we really just missed something big, and i need to spend lots of time on it.
  • we didn't miss much of anything, but it's worth keeping, or
  • we didn't really miss much, but it's not worth keeping.

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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RevDel request

Hello, I am messaging you because you appear in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests. I would like to request revdel of two offensive edits on Agnes Chow ([14], [15]) and also suggest the IP user be blocked. Thank you, Citobun (talk) 00:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

speedy deletion for advertising

HI MA'AM so you deleted my article because it was tagged for speedy deletion but i made the necessary changes to make it not seem like an advertisement and added that i was not paid to do it maam please make it come back i worked hard to make its and i researched well about writing a wiki page before making it please tell me the changes i need to make — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kavyachaudhary555 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of World Award for Sustainability page

Hi Liz,

Why did you delete this page? [16]

There's another page linking to it, and the link is broken. That's what got me wondering what happened to the page. I am further puzzled by the lack of entry in the log. According to the above page, the deletion happened 15:57, 5 December 2019, and there is no entry at that time.

See [17]

I hope you can shed some light on this situation. Thanks.

Feeline (talk) 13:08, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Liz

Hello Miss Liz

Thank you for deleting the empty page on my request of Nick Wrenn. I have a question i made a draft Draft:Nick Wrenn but the article was pending as of now so today i decided to publish the article direct but i was confused now if the article is accepted will it be move to the same page which you have deleted?

Memon KutianaWala (talk) 19:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Nicéphore Niépce's House Museum

I know my draft was sitting around for a while but I was planning on writing this article on the Draft:Nicéphore Niépce's House Museum soon! Anyway you could revert it? Thanks! --Wil540 art (talk) 15:32, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, Wil540 art. Liz Read! Talk! 17:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of tourist Attractions in Karachi

Hi Liz, this redirect was left after a merger, so to preserve the history it should not have been deleted. Thanks, postdlf (talk) 18:49, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, postdlf, I have restored it upon request. But it looks like a mistake in the title. Liz Read! Talk! 19:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Draft:GadgetIn

Hello, Liz

I actually often edit Wikipedia in Indonesian compared to other languages

I also translated this GadgetIn from Indonesian to English ... so I also used Indonesian references.

but I try to find Gadgetin references in English (I don't promise)

Fahri talk📬 02:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC) Translate by Google[reply]

Hello, Fahriahmad306,
As long as you are working on the draft, it shouldn't be deleted. Again, I recommend certain websites out there that cover YouTube channels and social media. They might have a coverage of GadgetIn. Your references doesn't have to be in English. It seems like a very popular channel in Indonesia. Liz Read! Talk! 02:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Liz
In my opinion, the reference is from the article GadgetIn Trusted in Indonesia. Indeed, in England people rarely watch the channel, hmm, can I return the draft to a regular article? I think that's enough. Because I also made it in Indonesia which is trending again and with the slogan "Halo, guys David disini" (Hello, guys David here) so I wrote it and I also took news references in my opinion and trusted. Fahri talk📬 13:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: Can I submit and check the draft? I thought that was pretty good. I just don't know the British view. Is that enough or not. but please check the draft :) Fahri talk📬 01:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Transportation categories

Re the empty "Transport" (sic) categories by decade, someone else is reorganizating the Railway and Transport company categories by year to be via Railway and Transport company categories by decade rather than being directly in the Railway and Transport company categories by century, so I suggest you wait for the reorganization to be completed. Hugo999 (talk) 04:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explantion, Hugo999. Liz Read! Talk! 03:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American people of Iraqi-Arab descent has been nominated for merging to Category:American people of Iraqi descent

Category:American people of Iraqi-Arab descent has been nominated for merging to Category:American people of Iraqi descent. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Planetshakers musicians

I'm very sorry to leave the category blank and add content later. I already corrected. Sorry. Grettings. GJFBR (talk) 18:10, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles containing Standard Arabic-language text

Category:Articles containing Standard Arabic-language text is no longer empty. Please undelete ... and please don't delete these non-English language categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:32, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 21:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding page delete

Hello Liz There are many contributors but all of them are stockpuppets & there accounts have been blocked now i am editing this page frm past 1 week i want this page to get deleted atleast leave the page in delete mode if any contributors comes to talk page means u can undo the delete @ethernal shadow: says topic is not sufficiency notable when the topic is not notable y dont u help me in getting it deleted other contributors will not reply as i know there accounts are blocked i am trying to redraft the full article kindly help me in deleting this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlie063 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aftermath of Jacob Blake shooting

Hi, just wondering why you locked the article at this title. The page name was moved from Kenosha riot without discussion or consensus, yet that editor has seemingly been rewarded. Thanks, WWGB (talk) 05:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care what the title is. I am uninvolved. The article was being repeatedly moved over a short period of time. This is disruptive. So, there is a hold on moving this page around for 24 hours. Hopefully, you can come to an agreement by then. Don't edit war about the page location. Liz Read! Talk! 05:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I merely noted your comment "Do not move without consensus", yet that is what you condoned. I have not engaged in an "edit war". Thanks, WWGB (talk) 05:44, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, another admin has fixed the problem. WWGB (talk) 05:50, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New user and copyright issues

I saw you deleted Draft:Ipo Arakeji, created by User:IPO_ARAKEJI.

I researched this earlier this week. The page it is allegedly being copied from appears to have been created on August 15 at nairaland. com/6055705/know-ipo-arakeji-not-same (space inserted due to Wikipedia spam blacklist) using content substantially identical to User:Anonymoussix/sandbox which was created on August 13 (8/13 version). While this MAY be copyright infringement with the off-wiki page's date-stamp changed to August 15th, I couldn't find anything that made proved copyright infringement.

Administrators Jimfbleak and SuperMarioMan are already involved in this so I'm pinging them on this as well.

Obviously, copyright violations have to go. My concern is that we may be scaring away a new editor who is not engaging in a copyright violation.

There are other issues with this editor and this contribution, but they can be fixed if this turns out to not be a copyright violation. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

18:13, 27 August 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page User:Christinemjung/sandbox/Ethan Thomas Jung (G8: Redirect to a deleted or nonexistent page) (thank)

Good morning,

I am writing to see what I did wrong. I posted a page "Ethan Thomas Jung" for my son, Ethan, who is a young actor. I see other actors have Wikipedia pages, so I created one for Ethan (he has an IMDb page, social accounts, etc., but the last piece was a Wiki page.) However, it looks like it was deleted. Not sure where I went wrong... I am a VERY amateur Wikipedia user:)

Thanks in advance for your advice on how to get this page up correctly. And thank you for your time! I'm sure you get tons of messages and do tons of editing, so I appreciate your help.

Best, Christine Jung — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christinemjung (talk • contribs) 14:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Our friend

Just letting you know, if you not already aware, that Dunny831 is Kingshowman, and has been doing this for years. This LTA is known for making bad NAC's to various AfDs and creating bogus sockpuppet investigations against anyone who reverts or block his edits. He seems to have a boat-load of IPs under his belt and we unfortunately can't really do much about it. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 02:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the head's up, Nkon21. I'm not very good at remembering sockpuppets & LTAs and their habits. Liz Read! Talk! 02:21, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020

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Administrator changes

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50.48.174.66

Can user:50.48.174.66 please be blocked ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 23:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Song of Hope"

Hi Liz - you deleted Template:Song of Hope as I requested, but you moved it straight into mainspace... you probably shouldn't have done that as it's already been declined at Draft:Song For Hope and effectively you've just bypassed the AfC process. Richard3120 (talk) 00:45, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Richard3120, I'll look into it. I didn't know it was a draft. It was tagged for deletion as a template when it was clearly an article, not a template. I'll check it. Thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I tagged it because it was obviously in the wrong mainspace, but I thought it would be deleted outright, not moved. I can see why it wasn't accepted at AfC, the sourcing is very poor. Richard3120 (talk) 02:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zenati (music producer)

I see that you deleted the article. I would be grateful if you could return it to me so i can continue to edit it and try to get some people to help me edit it to so that we can go over it before submitting it.ZNTEAI (talk) 18:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).[reply]

Speedy deletion of People's Hero (disambiguation)

Hello!

First of all many thanks for your admin work.

Looks like you deleted People's Hero (disambiguation) with edit comment G14: Unnecessary disambiguation page. I'm not sure that the uselessness of this dab page is so obvious at first glance. There were a number of quite notable awards, especially in Eastern Block countries, with the names People's Hero, National Hero, Hero of the People or just Hero, often among the highest-rank awards. The translation of these titles is often used interchangeably. The topic is covered with more detail and context at Hero (title), however a dab page would seem to be a useful complement to directly point to the related articles. I cannot see what the dab page looked like before the deletion though. The existence of the Yugoslav Order of the People's Hero and the Hero of the People (Albania), alone, invalidate the G14 rationale imho. Note that there are still incoming links at Hero (disambiguation) and Order of the People's Hero.

Would you care to restore the dab page, even in a personal space, or do you wish me to raise it at DRV? Place Clichy (talk) 09:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker)@Place Clichy: I'm afraid Liz is not around much at the moment (see notice at the top of the page). However, I don't think there will be any harm in re-creating the page if it has the additional DAB entries you describe here - it won't meet WP:G14 then and would need a fuller discussion to be deleted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:13, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this disruptive editing?

I see that you have become aware of User:Soul Crusher's creations as you've nominated 9 categories they created for speedy deletion. Other editors have also pointed out that many of their edits have issues, whether it's problematic redirects, creating multiple articles with WP:NALBUM issues. At what point does this become WP:NOTGETTINGIT? And is this behavior acceptable for womeone who is WP:AUTOPATROLLED?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 18:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC) @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, Ss112, and Richard3120: Courtesy ping. These editors have had more interactions than me so they might be better able to explain.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 18:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bait30: just for information, in case you and Liz are not aware of it, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars started an ANI discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1046#Soul Crusher's redirects, and the three of us have discussed the issue on Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars' talk page. I'm just puzzled that someone with 14 years on Wikipedia and over 25,000 edits seems to disregard some basic Wikipedia guidelines regarding notability. Richard3120 (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Asking for help

Greetings! I kindly ask You for guidance in subject of redirecting art. Danielewicz to Danielewicz family. User Staszek Lem redirected Danielewicz to Danielewicz family without any consulting with me, the author of the art. It seems to me that this redirection is not proper as there are many families with surname Danielewicz and redirecting art. to Danielewicz family could indicate thate there is one family. I see not point of this redirection so I reverted it and notified Staszek about this, asking hin to not change anything without previouse consultation. Few hours later, I see that it goes back to where it was by John of Reading and TT me - still without any ntification or trying to discuss matter. Now I changed it back as it was from start again but as those guys as above seems to do what they wish to do without any discussion, I ask for help - what to do in this situation? Please advise Camdan (talk) 11:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Books & Bytes – Issue 40

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --10:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC) Hello Liz, I responded to your original comment on the speedy deletion of the page I was attempting to create for Camster, but you may not have seen it. Still pretty new to Wikipedia so havent gotten it all down. The contention for the page was that it is not a directory for businesses and I am attempting to try and understand a way to ensure it does not come off that way and would appreciate your help. My only intent is to provide information about the site for readers as I can see many like sites have done such and want to follow suit. We had noticed those pages and wanted to ensure that we provided similar facts and information about our site. Trying to find the best way about it and could appreciate any help you could provide. Thank you.Eloravsmedia (talk) 20:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jadgali language and G14

Hi, this is about Jadgali language (disambiguation). WP:G14 doesn't apply to redirects targeting pages that serve a disambiguation purpose, like certain types of lists or indexes. The target of this redirect does disambiguate the language name "Jadgali" (along with others), and the redirect itself is used in the hatnote at the main article. – Uanfala (talk) 10:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Los Angeles Kings logos

Category:Los Angeles Kings logos is no longer empty. Please will you undelete it?

Thanks. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:49, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BrownHairedGirl, you should probably ask at WP:REFUND. Liz appears to be experiencing technical difficulties (see the message at the top of this page), and judging from her activity it appears that that only part of the Wikipedia interface she has access to at the moment is the delete button. – Uanfala (talk) 11:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Uanfala. I hope that Liz's computer woes get resolved soon.
The issue is now moot, since the Category:Los Angeles Kings logos has been emptied again. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2020.

                 Current and upcoming events

September Drive: Our current backlog-elimination drive is open until 23:59 on 30 September (UTC) and is open to all copy editors. Sign up today!

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Drive and Blitz reports

June Blitz: An uncorrected typo (even copy editors make copy editing mistakes!) led to an eight-day "leap blitz" from 14 to 21 June, focusing on requests and articles tagged in May. 19 participating editors claimed 54 copy edits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

July Drive: Over 750,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event, keeping pace with the previous three self-isolated drives. Of the 38 people who signed up, 30 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here.

August Blitz: From 16 to 22 August, we copy edited articles tagged in June and July 2020 and requests. 12 participating editors completed 37 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Other news

June election: Jonesey95 was chosen to continue as lead coordinator, assisted by Baffle gab1978, Tdslk, Twofingered Typist, and first-time coordinator Puddleglum2.0. Reidgreg took a break after serving for a couple years. Thanks to everyone who participated!

Progress report: As of 01:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 532 requests since 1 January and there were 38 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 433 (see monthly progress graph above).

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Puddleglum2.0, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist.

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Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drafts

I don't think these drafts qualify for G-13 deletions because they have been edited recently.

FloridaArmy (talk) 02:18, 22 September 2020 (UTC) ‎[reply]

FloridaArmy, I've restored two that were still deleted. In the case of stale drafts, G13s, please remove CSD tags on them if you edit them after they've been tagged. They are an exception to the guideline of not removing CSD tags from your own page creations. Liz Read! Talk! 15:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflicted with a delete

Hi Liz. I was actually in the midst of declining the CSD of Pnictogen hydrides when it failed because you accepted it. My summary was just along the lines that I'm already very conservative about unneeded redirects, but ones from plurals are pretty standard and useful for aids to linking and those readers who don't know our singular article titling convention. Would you be willing to undelete? Thanks, –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, Deacon Vorbis, I have restored it. I tend to delete redirects that are simply plural titles of actual articles. Liz Read! Talk! 15:31, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for reconsidering. I guess it's just a little funny where people fall on the useful vs. not issue for redirects. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed a lot of tags from redirects that were tagged as implausible that I thought were legitimate. But my general rule is to delete ones that are longer versions of a simpler article title (using the same words) unless it is an official alternative name. But I guess it comes down to individual judgment. Liz Read! Talk! 15:40, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Block evader

Please block user:2600:1015:B063:3D03:14D4:F085:B9D7:F70A ASAP. CLCStudent (talk) 23:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Money trees has taken care of it. Liz Read! Talk! 00:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trilla Venus

Hi Liz - thanks for speedy deleting the Trilla Venus article. There's also an orphaned redirect at Trilla venus. Are you also able to delete and salt that too or does it need to go to RfD? Deus et lex (talk) 05:02, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have already done this too now - thank you! Deus et lex (talk) 05:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Padlet deletion

Can you give some explanation of why you deemed the Padlet page "unambiguous advertising"? It was a straight-down-the-line - factual descriptions, no superlatives, and I even added text about questions about their business model to stave off this kind of action. I have no relationship to the site, which is linked to by dozens or hundreds of educational institution web pages. I was asked to use the site, and when I tried to find out about it, it was not on Wikipedia so I researched it myself. Do I have to make up bad stuff to say about them? Put another way, please tell me what your beef was so I can recreate the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oblivy (talk • contribs) 05:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC) \[reply]

Since there has been no response to this I'm going to assume you have no substantive objection, at least one consistent with the text of G11, to the page being recreated. I vow to make it ambiguously unpromotional, just as I did the first time, but mostly to avoid a revert war infraction. To the extent this goes against assume good faith, I'm going to rest on Hanlon's Razor, that you deleted it carelessly, without considering much beyond the fact another account had flagged it for speedy deletion. I note that newly-registered account has recently been scolded for misapplying speedy deletion. If you're going to object, please do it now and help me avoid wasting more time.Oblivy (talk) 08:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete of empty "births in year" categories

Please reconsider the speedy-deletion requests for the empty "births in year" categories. I think all but one of the "by year" categories in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion were nominated by you.

These pages have a purpose. They are part of a "births by year" set. Deleting one means when someone writes an article about someone who was born in that year, there will be a non-empty red-category if they blindly add it to the appropriate category.

I can see several ways to solve this, all equally good:

  • Have a bot delete and create these categories as they become populated or empty.
  • For historical times, such as before A.D. 1000, have a births by decade or births by century category instead, and allow them to be empty.
  • Change the Wikimedia software to allow "dynamic categories" which only exist when populated, with their description based on a template. For example, you could have a meta-category-template for "{{YEAR}} births" and if someone put a page in the category 2025 births the category would come into existence. If the category became empty, it would become a WP:REDCAT. This would require discussion AND coding, which means it won't happen soon.

The alternative, which is to manually delete categories then manually re-create them when they are no longer empty, is worse than just leaving all the categories in place even if they are empty.

What do you think? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, davidwr,
There is a lot going on here which I'll try to keep short.
First, every day, I tag empty categories that appear on a database list. It's just part of my daily routine. There are specific criteria for when we can allow empty categories and they don't include the fact that it might be handy in the future to have a category that is currently empty.
Second, about a year or so ago, we had a vandal who would go to obscure historical figures and change their birth/death dates by a year or two. They did a lot of damage, with multiple IP accounts, that was eventually undone. But the only reason that we found them out was because the birth/death categories showed up as empty categories. These categories are often occupied by only one person so if that birth/death date is changed, the category shows up as empty. So, I'm always a bit suspicious when I see them listed.
Some of the yearly birth categories recently started showing up on the empty categories list and, yes, I tagged them. But I didn't want to delete them until I investigated. It turns out that it is not a vandal but, I'm guessing, it's a thoughtful editor who is taking into account the fact that the historical record is less than 100% accurate. So, if a person is said to have been born c. 873, they will put them in the category, 870s births rather than 873 births. So, it's not vandalism, just a different interpretation of how to categorize dates of historical figures.
That all being said, I still don't like deleting yearly categories. So, if you go into my recent contributions, you'll find that I've recategorized a few people with a strict interpretation of their birth year. That is an arguable decision that I'm sure could be challenged and might very well be reverted by another editor in the future.
It's really easy to create new categories when they are needed but your bot idea would be useful, I think. There is a bot that does this kind of thing for our maintenance categories, the bot creates the categories, they become empty and get deleted but are recreated by the bot should we need them again. But I'm not sure how to bring this idea about. You might go to one of our current group of bot creators or the Wikipedia:Bot Approvals Group and see if this would be a process that would be easy to implement.
If you are seeking a different way to organize our yearly birth and death categories, that is an enormous decision that is beyond the ability of one admin to implement as it is a fundamental change to the category structure and it involves thousands of categories. It's not impossible to change but there are a lot of people who will want to make their opinion known on the subject. You'll need to bring that discussion to Categories for Discussion.
I guess I haven't kept this very short. Bottom line for now is if I can find someone who is born in the year of a CSD C1 tagged year of birth category, I will recategorize them so the category is no longer empty. If I can't find someone born in that year, then the empty category will need to be deleted for right now. I hope this explanation helps. Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the thorough explanation. I had not considered that red-cat year-of-births would actually be useful in catching vandals. That gives me pause. I still like the idea of a bot that would create and delete the categories AND while it's at it, flag for possible category-membership-related vandalism. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your partial block

I still disagree with your block of User:Epicderby. The account is evidently a VOA and they really went against BLP violations by adding explicit and erroneous content to the kids article. Please reconsider Megan☺️ Talk to the monster 11:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another admin has lengthened the block. Liz Read! Talk! 11:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Please consider this for mostall of these. This is probably overkill but it's worth mentioning. Sadly, this is another case of an editor who is clearly WP:NOTHERE. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC) Update: All are insults or worse if internet translations and searches are correct. Other NOTHERE editors and IP editors have done similar in the last few days that need similar treatment. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Revdelete request.

Possible copyright violation. The account has been blocked and they have already had some of their other revisions deleted for the same reason. [18]Scorpions13256 (talk) 03:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 03:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Radcliffe racist friends admission

Hi

Twice I've had my additions regarding daniel Radcliffe admission of having racist friends removed. Once with the excuse of not being notable, the other being trivia.

Radcliffe admission is both part of the public and media domain and that makes it notable and important to add. It's both credible and not trivia supported by renowned media reports/sources Hpdh4 (talk) 00:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just because information is published does not make it notable and worth including in an encyclopedia article. Trivial stuff like astrological signs, workout routines and personal habits are included in the press which are not suitable for Wikipedia. Please discuss it on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 00:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft talk:Sheikh Shaher Sayel Al-Hadid

Did you mean to delete Draft talk:Sheikh Shaher Sayel Al-Hadid as R2? It was neither a redirect nor in mainspace. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. I was deleting the redirect to it. Thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 03:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tornadoes in Montana page

I'm not going to contest the speedy deletion of the Category:Tornadoes in Montana page as the article that will be going on the page is FAR from being completed. I'll just ask this: Can I add the category page back in once the article I'm making is done?ChessEric (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I hope you don't mind, but I borrowed some of the text on your top line and put it in my own talk page (thought it might be useful).ChessEric (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, ChessEric,
Just to let you note that empty category tagging (CSD C1) is quite different from other kinds of speedy deletion. Except for a few exeptions (like categories being disussed at CfD or category redirects), empty categories are tagged when they are found. They are placed in a holding category for 7 days. If, after 7 days, they are still empty, they are deleted. If at least one page/article has been placed in the category over that week, then the tag is removed. Also, categories deleted because they are empty can be restored at any time should there be a need for them. This is different from categories that have been deleted through CfD deletion discussions.
So, don't worry, you have 7 days to find a page that is an appropriate fit for this category. And if the category is deleted for being empty, you can recreate it when you do need it. I hope this answers any concerns you have.
And feel free to borrow any user page content you find as long as it is attributed to the editor who wrote it. Thanks for letting me know! Liz Read! Talk! 15:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GDC Technology Limited

Howdy Liz,

Knowing that you are an extremely busy Wiki editor, I shall keep this short. I am an avid follower of digital cinema, and thus have been following GDC Technology for years since GDC has contributed to the world's cinema during its transition from 35mm film to digital cinema. Everything I had written on GDC technology is factual information without any mention or promotion of GDC's products or services. Moreover, I used very reputable and accessible news references such as Bloomberg, Reuters, Variety and The Hollywood Reporter to support my contributions. I would be grateful if you could advise what was inappropriate about my GDC Technology Limited page. Regarding the original accusation from "1292Simon" about "not having enough sources and citations as written to remain published", I replied him in my Talk page.

Justanotherwikipediauser (talk) 16:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Justanotherwikipediauser,
As far as I can see, I just deleted a redirect, a link that points from one page to another after an article/draft is moved. It looks like Deb deleted the article you were working on. Liz Read! Talk! 16:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My deleted article

Can you please send to my sandbox the article /wiki/zerion.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holtiana (talk • contribs) 19:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 19:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:SD0001

Hi, why have you deleted User:SD0001 and a bunch of other pages? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Redrose64,
After 5 years as an admin, I tried to do a batch delete today for the first time with Twinkle. It was not completely successful. Between myself and Primefac, we restored the pages that were mistakenly deleted by me. Most of them were restored within 5 minutes after deletion but User:SD0001 was one that I missed. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention and will let SD0001 know of my error. Liz Read! Talk! 21:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huggle Userbox?

Hi, I noticed you deleted https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Twsx/Userboxes/Huggle&action=edit&redlink=1 You mentioned previously that you had a batch go south, I was wondering if maybe this was another accidental victim? Thanks! CarbonX (talk) 00:52, 29 September 202vUser:Twsx0 (UTC)

Hi, CarbonX,
Today, editor Twsx was cleaning up their user space and requested that about a dozen user pages get deleted. You should tell them if you want it restored, get their okay and I can do that immediately. But I don't want to restore a page that the page creator doesn't want. Ask Twsx and get back to me. Liz Read! Talk! 01:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not a big deal. I just noticed something wonky on my userpage and saw that you were listed as making the deletion. If Twsx wanted it gone than so be it. Have a great day! 05:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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