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Request to lift topic ban

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I am kindly requesting administrators here to rescind my topic ban in the ARBPIA area, issued against me on 6 May 2019. See decision here.

I admit my mistake in leveling verbal attacks against two of my fellow editors, and I promise to be more circumspect in the future, during interaction with these editors. In the event of disagreement, I will henceforth seek the resolution of any dispute by consulting a broader audience of contributing editors, with the view that we should all keep the best interests of Wikipedia in mind, and strive to work together for the good of this worthy project.

It is without question that I have learnt my lesson very well, and will seek to work with all contributing editors with due respect and utmost civility, even if we should disagree on political issues. In the final analysis, we all desire the best for this educational resource used by millions of people on the Internet.Davidbena (talk) 23:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Firmly oppose lifting the ban. Behavioral issues tipped the scales in the enactment of this TBAN in the first place, but they were neither the sole reason, nor is this the first TBAN in this area for this editor. This is asking for a third chance while still not fully acknowledging the extent of the issues that led to re-enactment of the TBAN in the first place. There are plenty of other topic areas for this editor to contribute to, and their editing history has made clear that no good comes of letting them edit in the ARBPIA arena. Grandpallama (talk) 17:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I admit that I made a gross mistake in seeking punitive actions against two editors here, but I immediately changed course and cancelled my request to have sanctions imposed upon them. In spite of this idiosyncrasy of mine, most of my edits and contributions (including photographs) in the ARBPIA area have been mostly constructive and beneficial to our project. See, for example, Kafr 'Inan (esp. Talk:Kafr 'Inan#Kfar Hananya), Bayt Nattif, Jarash, Jerusalem, Solomon's Pools, Operation Ha-Har, Husan, al-Badhan, Az-Zakariyya, Sar'a, among others. Besides, one of the editors with whom I had a strong falling-out was also topic banned from the area shortly after me, but was allowed to return to edit three months later, as you can see here, s.v. Huldra. Nothwithstanding, after my own topic ban, the same editor and I have since maintained cordial communications, both, privately and publicly, which you can see here and here. If I fail again, may God forbid, I can always be blocked again. I am asking for the chance to improve our worthy encyclopedia.Davidbena (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

1. Huldra's TBAN was an entirely different situation from your own.
2. Bringing up someone else's TBAN has nothing to do with your own behavior and is, as far as I'm concerned, further evidence that your own TBAN is appropriate and that you haven't learned anything.
3. Your TBAN was not just based on behavior, but on not listening to other editors and insisting on the insertion of problematic edits, which is something you refused to acknowledge then and are ignoring now. That's beyond disingenuous.
4. Claims that you've learned your lesson sound pretty hollow, considering that's what you've said twice before. Grandpallama (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

That's untrue. Whatever edit was "problematic" was duly deleted by me. Moreover, I never said that I would not file a formal complaint against an editor, if I felt a special need to do so. It was only during this last complaint of mine that I came to regret having done so. Besides, Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about. I have even tried to photograph a place for her in Jerusalem's Old City (although I could not find the place) and this, mind you, after my topic ban.Davidbena (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about. Funny, because Huldra explicitly states the opposite in this very thread. And you're still deep in IDHT land. Continuing to bludgeon everything I say isn't going to do much other than showcase to everyone who views this thread that nothing has changed since the imposition of the TBAN. Frankly, you were lucky you didn't get indeffed. I think I'm done responding here, because this needs other eyes. The fact no one else has commented at all doesn't bode well for the enthusiasm of taking up reconsideration of this ban. Grandpallama (talk) 01:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

• Neutral Sigh. I like Davidbena, I really do. For one thing, he actually reads, and look up sources. Alas, last time he was topic-banned I voted for lifting the topic ban, but within a few weeks we were.....not so friendly any more. Davidbena does great work on subjects associated with Yemenite Jews and various issues relating to Judaism. However, whenever he touch upon present-day, or more "modern" policy issues, he seem to become a bit ....."too engaged". Which is not a good thing in the Israel/Palestine area. This time I vote "neutral": I leave it to others to decide if he should be allowed to edit in the ARBPIA area again, Huldra (talk) 23:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Again, I have learnt my lesson well. I am asking for the opportunity to renew editing in this area, and I assure all administrators that I will act faithfully in my capacity as a contributing editor to help improve this venue. I remind my fellow co-editors here that, besides being a voice for balance and providing reliable, sourced material to help expand knowledge, the simple act of uploading an image / images to ARBPIA articles can serve as the inferface between editors holding polar opposite views in the Arab-Israeli conflict area - as I did in the articles Dayr Aban (thought to be the biblical Eben-ezer), Gamla (a town destroyed by the Romans), Khirbat al-Tannur, Khirbat Umm Burj, Zikrin which is the Dhikrin of the Jerusalem Talmud, and Khirbet al-Deir - and helps us all to proceed from this common ground of virtual identification. Again, I will do my utmost best to work collaboratively with my fellow co-editors.

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Davidbena (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

This ban appeal has been open for six days and so far no admin has commented other than myself. Six months have passed since the community ban was imposed and this was a reasonable time to appeal. Still, there isn't much enthusiasm for doing anything now, so I suggest that Davidbena ask again in a further six months. The amount of conflict that can be seen at User talk:Davidbena suggests that something is not working well. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Ed, in all honesty, anyone looking objectively at my edits will quickly reach the conclusion that the good here outweighs the bad. As in all good families, there are occasional internal arguments, but we eventually overcome them and learn to work together.Davidbena (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Here's my view. I'm not an admin, still I could have easily left a comment and who knows maybe it would have sparked some more discussion and of course sufficient commentary to judge consensus is all that really matters as this is a community topic ban and not a discretionary sanctions one. But ARBPIA is an area I actively avoid for personal reasons so I really have no idea about your editing without a fair amount of assessment and no one has has enough for me to easily begin. I did feel some sympathy for you hence why I've checked this a few times just to see if there was any real action. But as EdJohnston has said, no one has done so. Your current topic ban was instated 2 months after your previous one was lifted isn't a good sign. While you've waited the minimum 6 months, given the circumstances it may not be enough. Many editors may not feel there is enough to reject your request, but are also reluctant to give you another chance so soon given what happened last time. Also we are all volunteers and editors may not feel it's worth their time looking in to especially given the circumstances, as unfortunate as that is to you. Nil Einne (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

So, are you saying that people do not learn from their mistakes? We all make mistakes. BTW: My first topic ban was unanimously rescinded by the community, because, as I think, they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges. One person was angry at me for simply asking a fellow editor if she were of Arab descent, when God knows I meant no harm by the question, just as I would ask an editor with whom I was comfortable whether or not he or she were of Native American descent or of German descent. I even went so far as to clarify myself, going on to write that "there is nothing wrong with that." The same editor was, in fact, not an Arab, but a Norwegian. Sigh. You see, often people read into the comments what they want to read into them, when only we ourselves know what is truly in our minds and hearts.Davidbena (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges This is a patently false representation of what the editors said when your first TBAN was lifted; not a single editor even hinted that the TBAN was anything other than merited [1]. And doubling down now on what you said then to earn the first TBAN shows you've never learned anything at all. Grandpallama (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you are misrepresenting their plain and unequivocal words of adjudication. Have you forgotten the words: I have gone through David's edits (which took ages, he's remained quite active) and do not see any instances of his breaching the topic ban since this back at the end of August, which was only debatably a breach, etc.? Look again at their decision here to rescind my topic ban. Anyone who has followed this case may not know the import of the charges brought against me in that first topic ban, but anyone looking into them can see that my accusers had no single thing to say, but tried to dig-up many unrelated issues, such as my views on the Great Deluge, etc. In short, these were all spurious charges. My perception of those adjudicating this case was one that they, too, realised that these were spurious charges. If I'm wrong, please forgive me. This is my own personal view. Nonetheless, during that first topic ban, I humbled myself, accepted it and kept myself away from the ARBPIA area at their solemn request. I will do the same if once again banned from this topic area, but I am asking for a chance to improve our online encyclopedia and to offer whatever good academic sources I have to offer here, in this field, to the end that we might learn to truly accept each other in the symbiotic relation that we all have, whether we are Jews, Muslims or Christians living in Israel, or what others call Palestine.Davidbena (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Davidbena claims that "My first topic ban was unanimously rescinded by the community, because, as I think, they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges.", and when challenged about this, points to a comment stating "I have gone through David's edits (which took ages, he's remained quite active) and do not see any instances of his breaching the topic ban since this back at the end of August, which was only debatably a breach, and resulted in a reasonable discussion on his talk page clarifying the scope of the topic ban. I do not see any editing that could be construed as nonconstructive or disruptive. " But this does not support his initial claim at all: all User:Fish and karate said, is that since shortly after the topic ban was imposed, nothing problematic happened. This is not at all claiming that it had been "wrongly imposed" or with "spurious charges", and reading that discussion he points to clearly shows that editors saw the topic ban as justified, but that there had been no disruption since it had been imposed. Then getting that topic ban imposed again shoftly afterwards (showing a return to problematic behaviour) is bad, but now claiming that the original topic ban was not merited in the first place and misrepresenting a discussion completely to support this is clearly showing that no change has happened or should be expected. Fram (talk) 08:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Fram is correct, all I said was that since the ban had been imposed there had been one borderline breach, and otherwise David's behaviour had been fine since the topic ban was imposed. I did not say the ban had been wrongly imposed; it was very correctly imposed. David, one of the key factors in getting a topic ban rescinded is generally for the topic-banned user to acknowledge that they understood why the ban was imposed and to explain how their conduct will change for the better. If you cannot recognize that the topic ban was valid and was put in place for valid reasons to do with your conduct in the topic area, then I don't see any justification for lifting it at this time. Fish+Karate 09:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I can see where this appeal is heading. I reiterate that this was only my impression of the previous topic ban. The implication when citing your words was that the general spirit of those repealing my topic ban was "favorable" and that I had been subject to a "free-for-all," and not necessarily related to the ARBPIA area. Again, those were my impressions at the time. As I said, if I'm mistaken, please forgive me. At any rate, the current topic ban caused me to emend relations with an editor against whom I brought my complaint. I think that this speaks for itself, as nothing that I could ever do will be more repentant than that. Still, I will abide by the community's judgment in this case, if it should come to an extended topic ban. Perhaps I can still salvage the situation by welcoming administrators here to ask me personal questions, such as User:DGG, User:El C, User:Cullen328, User:Nick-D, User:Nyttend, User:Zero0000, User:Ymblanter, User:Ynhockey, User:Sandstein, etc., on how I would handle certain situations in the event of conflict in the ARBPIA area, and let this be the criteria on which to judge me and my behavior. Please feel free to ask me any questions that may come to mind. Be well.Davidbena (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Request: I fully understand why some of the administrators here (all but one) would excuse themselves from commenting in this case because of a potential conflict of interest, and I do not want to make anyone feel uncomfortable here. I am willing to forgo this appeal and to remain under my current topic ban for at least another six months, until the time is right for me to submit another appeal in this case. Can an administrator please close this thread? I am content to edit in the other areas available to me, for the time being. Hoping that we all might make this project a better project for all of humanity, and that we as co-editors might become good and responsible stewards in the noble tasks set before us, namely, to expand knowledge.Davidbena (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Neutrality check

Can someone with a bit of authority step in to see if they can fix Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron_–_Rescue_list#List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming_(7th_nomination) so that it is more neutrally worded? It seems that User:Lightburst and User:Andrew Davidson are so attached to non-neutral wording that they won't allow any modification of the posting in spite of what the rules state at the rescue list. Thanks. jps (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

You attempted to erase the entire post twice and were reverted twice for it [2] [3] , then you try to hide the post twice and get reverted [4] [5] then you come here to ask others to help you. Others participated in a discussion for this on the talk page [6] while you have not. Instead you go forum shopping. Dream Focus 13:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• See also: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Shut_down_Article_Rescue_Squadron. There is something bad going on here, folks. jps (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Aaaaand see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:ජපස_reported_by_User:Lightburst_(Result:_). Clearly I've hit a nerve. jps (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

jps has gone nuclear. Clearly and intentionally being disruptive in a campaign against a few users. -- GreenC

• Comment User:ජපස has engaged in extremely disruptive editing (edit warring) on the ARS. Then engaged in forum shopping, and attempted to delete the project with an MfD. All the while ජපස refused to discuss anything on the talk page and blanked requests to come to discussion. I am loathe to approach administrators for help, but perhaps we can get a short break from these numerous disruptions. Lightburst (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I would disagree with the "forum shopping" label. MFD was closed as "MFD is not the right solution for the issues raised", so it made sense to take it to take it to Village Pump. Perhaps we can engage in a productive discussion once we agree on the correct venue. –dlthewave ☎ 21:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Lightburst: you keep saying you want to avoid disruption, but you're not helping yourself here. The notice is obviously non-neutral, and, even if you don't see it, there's absolutely no justification for continuing to restore it when a simple rewording could accomplish exactly the same goals without causing frustration to other editors. Frankly, I don't know if this is worth pursuing, because there are only a handful of active editors anyway, but conflicts like this are inevitable as long as editors at ARC are treating the project as a battleground. Nblund ^talk 18:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The article that originally triggered this dispute has now been deleted, but I'd like to draw people's attention to the discussions on the rescue-squad talk page. Particularly this one and the one below it. It appears they've reached a local consensus that it's OK to ignore the encyclopedia-wide prohibition on non-neutral notices. ApLundell (talk) 04:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

This user has again started harassing me.

This user User:Edward Zigma is harassing me, causing stress and doing personal attacks on me. Violating WP:CIVILity policy again and again and

1. See SPI against me without any evidences.
2. See Arbitration case against me without any evidences.
3. Check their oldest contribution in which they called me as Islamophobic, publicised my tweets, personal informations and social media accounts which are oversighted now.
4. Name-calling me as Hindutva Terrorist.
5. See this edit, they removed content without summary and content was added with consensus on talk page. Also, they undo my this edit in which I removed details from non-RS.
6. Also, this user doxxed me and declared me as Islamophobic.
7. User has aggressively removed my edits from Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act, 2019 which I created and he put deletion template. They have been blocked previously for their battle ground behaviour. Check their talk page.
8. This is again when they namecalled that I have hidden agenda on page which I created.
9. Most of his edits are related to me and blanking my contributions. Check history of their talk page.

Kindly, take some action on this user. This user is WP:NOTHERE to build encyclopedia but to cause stress on good contributors and riding them away from contributing. If this user is going to stay here and harassing me then I have no other way to stop doing contributions to avoid stress and doxxing. Block on them will be appropriate.-- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 15:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• I see the following situation. On 28 September, Edward Zigma was blocked by a checkuser for edit-warring for 48 hours, and, while being blocked, got from another user a warning about harassment. After the block expired, they only made five edits: three in the articles (reverted edits by Harshil169, who earlier reverted their edits; these edits were again reverted by Harshil169. At least in one case [7] they presumably were restoring text based on a bad source), replied on their talk page on a warning left by Harshil169, and opened a AE case against Harshil169, which did not contain diffs and was speedy closed by Black Kite. They have registered a year ago and made 200 edits. On one side, this is by itself not yet a case for an indefinite block, on the other hand, apparently, most of their contributions have been reverted, and WP:NOTHERE block might be a good decision. Certainly if they continue editing without first explaining themselves here I would be in favor of an indef block.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Ymblanter. Blocking is only option until and unless user promises to improve their behaviour. This user created chaos on my twitter profile too. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 16:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• So the subject just raised a DS case against Harshil, but with no evidence. They've been notified by another admin, so we'll see if anything comes of that. Nosebagbear (talk)
• In terms of this, the user does appear to be trying to OUT Harshil. That can be done without actually giving a specific URL. There are also some extremely serious accusations made without supporting evidence provided. There are some less than ideal behaviours by Harshil that I've spotted, but thus far I've not spotted anything of comparable severity. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

No Nosebagbear . There is nothing harassing in this. This person is delibirately trying to attack news portal webpages and all other things such as niyoga from wiki pedia pages which seems to go against his ideology. I don't have any personal problem with him, but some months ago he made a defamatory hate page on muslims and posted about it on twitter crying for help resulting in sockpuppetry and many new accounts invading wikipedia. This user willfully attacking and changing the liberal voices of India and slightly removing the content slowly slowly which seems to go against his hindutva agenda. I don't want to bridge but you can see his twitter account. I may not be correct in submitting my request becoz I am learning wikipedia but this person is slowly doing this with his own agenda. I might act wrong before coz I dont know many ways here but becoz of me his fake wiki page of a temple vandalism got removed which he made with a malicious attampt to defame muslims. It's not about muslim or Hindu or Christian but its his ideology which is harmful with which he is working. I didn't provide diffs coz I don't know how to do that. But my purpose is only one thing. To call out the hypocrisy of wiki editor running his propaganda through wiki pages. Thanks. Edward Zigma (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Can you see the language of this editor? They are accusing me to suppress the liberal voices of India while I have been here since 2015 and see Talk:The Wire (India). I have been involved in meaningful discussion. There was also one SPI against me but it was failed and also, this user opened SPI against me without any evidences. Isn't this serious case to label me as to spread Hindutva agenda? If I made any defamatory page against Muslim then how I can be here without any block log? Pinging Nosebagbear again to see language of this editor and personal attack on me. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 04:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Ymblanter to check discussion above.-- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 04:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Didn't you call on hate against muslims when you made that page with malice intentions. I don't want to to brigade but the intentions of the editor are maliced and hate filled Islamophobic. Him lurking and slowly changing the context of liberal wiki pages are the proof for that. Wire is one of the best news portal for liberal voices in India but he is trying to vandalise it with his harmful hate intentions. Check the activity of Harshil169Edward Zigma (talk) 05:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I’m Islamophobic Hindutva terrorist as per your allegation. What the point you’re making here? Page has lengthy and meaningful discussion with concerned editor Winged Blades of Godric. You’re again and again accusing me with personal attack. This is administrator Noticeboard and you’ll see what happens due to this language. This is not first time. — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 05:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Why are you so worried if your intentions are moral and to the ground. Let the editors check your history and let them decide how you selectively hand pick liberal wiki pages and try to defame them and removing other editors edit who are not alligned with your ideology. Tell them first didn't you make temple vandalism page and tried to blame muslims for it, that page is scrapped by senior wiki editors now. Now aren't you trying to disrupt the wiki pages of liberal voices of India. There is nothing wrong in my language. I never abused you like the ones you called from sock puppeting by your twitter handle. My allegation is there that the Harshil169 is trying to have an agenda and disrupting wiki pages of liberal voices of India. I request the editora to look at his edit history and take my matter into consideration. Thanks. Edward Zigma (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

You really need to cut out the accusations of malicious intent against Harshil. You're not helping your case at all. 199.247.45.10 (talk) 06:08, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• All things apart, user is still accusing me without providing difference. I have over 3K edits on Wikipedia and I always engaged in DR and Consensus. User again alleged me and attacked me by calling Hindutvavvadi, Islamophobic,agenda spreader. This depends on Admin to what to do. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 05:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The question here is about intent of accused editor Harshil169. His selective editing of liberal wiki pages of India and reverting the edits made by other editors with same warning given by him to everyone who doesnt allign with his ideology. I sincerely request the seniors to check his edit history and how silently he edit the web pages of news portal and other without proper citations. And reverting the edit of other editors who provide proper citation. His page about temple vandalism is already scrap ped when caught with his malicious hate intentions. This is wikipedia not some hindutva propaganda page or islamic page. You cam clearly see the pattern of attacking liberals in India. This is not personal attacking but the intention of Harshil169 is not moral or in any way justifiable.Edward Zigma (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The question here is about intent of accused editor Harshil169. His selective editing of liberal wiki pages of India and reverting the edits made by other editors with same warning given by him to everyone who doesnt allign with his ideology. Ehh, where the heck did I revert edit of person who doesn't align with my ideology? Please provide differences. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 07:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Didnt you involve in temple vandalism page and purposefully added the word muslims with malicious intentions. Are you attacking liberal wiki pages of news portals of India to mallign there image. Didnt you involve with editor moksha88 in the wiki page and tried to malign it sarcastically. I want to respected editors to take a dig at Nizil Shah for involving in editor groupism with Harshil169. .Edward Zigma (talk) 08:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

You are unnecessarily involving Nizil. First know what WP:3O means and what groupism means. I sought 3O from him. This is wikipedia not a hub for propaganda stuff. I just wanted to speak all of these in Administrator noticeboard which you spoke on several talk pages and behaved with me. Thank you for making my case more strong here. WP:ASPERATIONS will be applied and WP:NOTHERE block will be on way. Thanks a lot again! -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 08:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing about the case. Checking the history of your edits. You are silently removimg or adding stuffs related with your Islamophobic agenda. Anyone who check 4 or 5 pages of your edits will know of of your intentions. Again this is wikipedia. Not some hub for your propaganda.Edward Zigma (talk) 08:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Zigma (talk • contribs) 08:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

if you want this situation to be resolved, you must stop responding to each other and just let other editors get a chance to review the situation. You're not helping each other by just responding to each other.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 08:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Blue Pumpkin Pie, IMHO these two did not had a proper conversation on their own talk pages (other than posting templates), so they are having it here now.--DBigXrayᗙ 08:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

No DBig, this is serious issue. Calling me as Hindutva propagandist and Islamophobic is not acceptable. They filled SPI and AE report against me without any difference. This user is WP:NOTHERE to build encyclopedia.-- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 08:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

yes DBigXray This is really a serious issue. My saying won't make anything. Check the edit of accused Harshil169.I won't comment after this from my side. But Harshil169 is involve in groupism and any edit i make he uses either his friend or his own alternate account to evade 3 evert rule and try to suspend me on that 3 revert rule which I didn't even know about. Next you can check his edit history. He add defamtory stuffs about The wire and Quint and remove the content on Payal Rohatgi page on which she said Islamophobic comments which were talked a lot om twitter.

You won't get any comment here after this from my side. Please take matter into consideration about biasedness and groupism. And check the editor's connection with another senior edior Nizil Shah both are from Gujarat and are involved in groupism and changing wikipedia content according certain political ideology which cannot be allowed on wikipedia.Edward Zigma (talk) 08:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Question User:Harshil169 Please clarify below, in a yes or no, Are you following the contribution history of Edward Zigma ?DBigXrayᗙ 12:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

AnswerNever. I’ve more works to do like making pages, AfD, CSD, Copyedit and ITN or DYK. You can just check Zigma’s contributions. He NEVER contributed apart from my edited pages. See this. He generally undos content which I add. He never started editing page first. He’s stalking me. Harshil ^{want to talk?} 12:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Question Edward Zigma Please clarify below, in a yes or no, Are you following the contribution history of User:Harshil169 ?DBigXrayᗙ 12:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Answer Honestly no. I never do that. I cross paths with him coz he manipulate the articles of my interest and in a way defame those article (liberal ideologies). If thats not enough he calls different editors to his aid like it's a fight in the edits . And instead of involving in a discussion at talk page he and his friend edit the article and since 3 R rule is applied I can't change his reverts and he is adamant to not involve in talk pages. That's why feud arises. But no. I dont even watch his contribution but has to visit his page since he is involved in groupism.Edward Zigma (talk) 14:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• please clarify your last line.--DBigXrayᗙ 15:34, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

AnswerI meant DBigXray that i dont care what he said in his edits. I never purposefully visited his pages. Maybe since our Interests were same , we may cross the paths since I watch the pages of my Interest mainly. And whenever on that page I came across something suspicious I edited and many times it was his edits and many times they were someone's other. But today yes I checked his page since whenever I open discuss page or lock horns with this guy, some unknown editors suddenly come and start to support him. And when today he raised a complaint against me I checked his talks and in that he asked many editors to help him in complaint. Like it's some sort of groupism. On talk pages his friends come and manipulate the views, I got one stuck in 3RR when I didnt know about it and he and his friend obviously changes the edits. But I never checked his page until today. When again after the complaint some editors came to his rescue I checked his page and I already explained what I found. There were emails and call for aid to other editors which cleared my suspicion. I accept that due to no expireance my tone may got out of the league amd I am sorry for that. But my concern is strict and still there against this person that he is involved in Groupism.Edward Zigma (talk) 15:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Few comments from User:Edward Zigma on this thread:

This user willfully attacking and changing the liberal voices of India and slightly removing the content slowly slowly which seems to go against his hindutva agenda. I don't want to bridge but you can see his twitter account. Doxxing

I don't want to to brigade but the intentions of the editor are maliced and hate filled Islamophobic. Him lurking and slowly changing the context of liberal wiki pages are the proof for that. Wire is one of the best news portal for liberal voices in India but he is trying to vandalise it with his harmful hate intentions. Calling me Islamophobic and vandal

Now aren't you trying to disrupt the wiki pages of liberal voices of India. There is nothing wrong in my language. I never abused you like the ones you called from sock puppeting by your twitter handle. Declaring me as Sockpupeeter

You are silently removimg or adding stuffs related with your Islamophobic agenda. Anyone who check 4 or 5 pages of your edits will know of of your intentions. Calling me as Islamophobic again

This with SPI and AE without any evidences is causing me panic. User is definitely WP:NOTHERE. -- Harshil ^{want to talk?} 09:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I am definately here for wikipedia. I was the one who debated when you purposefull tried to defame muslim in your Temple vandalism page. I am learning at present. I don't know a lot of rule. I don't know how to complain or add diffs otherwise I would have complained a good on you and anyone visiting your edit page will see this. Now stop the conversation and let the other decide. You have again tried your groupism by calling another friend of yours which is completely unacceptable on wiki pedia. You called to Kautilya3 who himself is involved in disruption on the wiki page of Muslim prophet. If I am wrong they will take care of that.And if you are what I said they will that care of that too. Now it's best to let other decide. Edward Zigma (talk) 09:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - I see clear evidence of repeated personal attacks, for which Edward Zigma deserves a strong warning, and a block if he persists with such conduct.

Zigma, you need to stop acting as a self-appointed policeman of Wikipedia, for which you do not have any training or qualification, and focus on doing your editing. People with all kinds of ideologies come here and they are allowed to function as long as they edit Wikipedia according to its policies. It is not proper to brand them or harass them, or even to bring in their alleged conduct at other venues like Quora or Twitter or whatever. Those venues are not our concern. Since you have said that you are still learning how to work with Wikipedia, please focus on that first. Once you learn enough, you will know how to deal with real issues. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Does Harshil169 will call every other friend for his help. He clearly went on your talk page and called for aid from you. You are obviously his friend and biased. Let other unbiased editors decide what to do.Edward Zigma (talk) 10:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment @Edward Zigma and Harshil169: some words of advice as an entirely uninvolved editor? Knock it off. Stop commenting on each other, stop responding to each other and stop this back-and-forth. The India-Pakistan area already is one many editors prefer to stay well-away from due to high tensions, but the both of you sure aren't helping matters. Right now, you're making people look at their watchlist, see either of your names on an edit here at the AN and think something along the lines of "goodness, are those two still at it?". It doesn't matter which one of you is right or wrong: all this back-and-forth is achieving is making sure everyone wants to stay far, far away from this issue. AddWittyNameHere 10:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

@AddWittyNameHere: My only concern is blank reports about me at AE and SPI, and Publicly putting my Twitter account. If these continue then I’ve to stop editing here.— Harshil ^{want to talk?} 10:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you've made your concerns clear. All I'm saying is, if you want people to look into the matter you're reporting, you're not helping yourself by constantly replying to the other user. Similarly, if Edward Zigma wants people to look into what he is saying, he is also not helping matters by constantly replying to you. You've both stated your side of the issue, now give folks time to read it and check what you're saying. AddWittyNameHere 11:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment came here after stalking contributions of Harshil169. I was connected with him long ago on GU and Mr wikipedia. It is clear that Zigma is repeatedly attacks the users and fils void reports. This can put anyone under panic. He is openly calling a contributor as propagandist or Islamophobic which goes against personal attack policy. As Harsil claims, if he revealed twitter accounts which are over sighted then I will support Indefinite block on this user. He is just attacking and riding away good contributors like Nizil and Harshil who are making articles. He was blocked even. Also, Harshil please keep calm.--Rutvik P Shah (talk) 13:33, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Note, this comment here at WP:AN is User:Rutvik P Shah's first ever edit on English Wikipedia. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Further Update'

I want to inform the editors that after filing the complaint against me Harshil169 and I put our points in front on the editor. I am advised by AddWittyNameHere to put my points and let the rest of the editor handle the case and to stop interacting with this editor. I did the same and never responded until and unless asked. I continued my work on different articles and had talk with senior editors such as uamaol on different issues and learnt a lot. I published a page on wikipedia and started working on it.here. By the time I ended whole editing , my article started getting edited by one account which was made a few minutes ago without proper resoning.Here. That same accounts which was made 12 mins ago (and started editing my article),and put my article under deletion with bad reasons and putting religious chants at the end of his reason.Here.My article was put into deletion by the new account(which edited my article without proper reasoning) and I am suspicious that this another account by Harshil169 and I want further checks between Harshil169 and the account which was made to put my article under deletion i.e. Bajarangbali ki jai (his reason for deletion of my article here ). I responded calmly. Put my reasons and waiting for editors to take decision. In the mean time I continued my casual editing of the article.

My grievance is that now I am getting further harassed by Harshil169. He is snooping and crawling in my contributions and putting my own edited images under deletion on copyright claims on wikimedia commons.Here.He is blocked here but now he started harassing me on wikimedia commons since he is not blocked there. This Harshil169 is leaving no stone unturned for harassing me. He changes edits and canvass the discussions and talk page of the groups. He is involved in groupism. He arbitrarily removes well cited edits of other users without involving in discussion. Now after we were advised by AddWittyNameHere to stop interacting here, I stopped having any type of slight imteraction with Harshil169 on my side but he keep harassing me by going through me contributions and now attacking me on wikimedia commons. I want Bbb23 and other respected senior editors and to take action against Harshil169 for harassment.

Thank you.Edward Zigma (talk) 08:52, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

The user Harshil169is further getting involved ,now on wikimedia commons with me. Here. After getting unmecessarily involved by putting my image in deletion draggimg this matter to wikimedia common. I have decided to not indulge with this guy anymore. He keeps talking about cases and always acts in hostile manner and bad tone.check his reply. He keeps citing unnecessary policies and continuously indulging with rubbish debates and acts in arbitrary manner. Please I request Bbb23 and other respected editors to take this matter into consideration. He has dragged this to wikimedia now ,causing disturbances. I would have considered his request to delete the image for once if he was right. But he has dragged with no good intention as image was in public domain, edited for making it good. But he is now acting very arbitrary and intentionally disturbing my editing. Please take action for this.

Thank you. Edward Zigma (talk) 11:18, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

References

Removal of rollback permission

Hi, I hope this is the correct place to request a removal of permissions. I quite often use rollback, but recently most of my editing has been on the mobile view. Sadly, it's currently quite buggy, and can jump when attempting to select an article on the watchlist; and quite often this is onto the rollback of an edit. Could I have this permission removed until the view is fixed to stop this from happening (I'm quite happy to re-request the perm at a later date)? I thought I could handle this, but it's happened too many times at this point to live with. Thanks for your help. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I can remove rollback no problem, but may be you want to try this script first? It removes rollback buttons from the watchlist, and I found it very helpful (thanks 28bytes again). I never tried it on mobile though.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I think your broken link was probably intended to be to this script instead? There is also the option "Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, and its documentation leads to various alternatives. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, I fixed the link, sorry for this--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

You can try this script, you may need to modify it to your device. –xeno^talk 19:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

//hide rollback links on iPhone
if (navigator.userAgent.match(/iPhone/i) || navigator.userAgent.match(/iPod/i)) {
	var styleEle = document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0].appendChild(document.createElement("style"));
	styleEle.sheet.insertRule(".mw-rollback-link { display: none; }", 0);
}

Thanks for all this - solution to a problem I didn't know existed until the change in view. I'll likely use one of these! Thanks for your help. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Lee Vilenski glad to know that your problem appears to have been resolved. I also have rollback rights and if ever I click rollback while watching the watchlist on my phone, I get a prompt that says something along the lines of "Do you Really want to rollback" and then obviously I hit No. This is a big embarrassment saver. Hence, I never felt the need to get rid of the rollback, or use any script. I am not sure why you seem to not get this prompt. perhaps some difference in our preferences. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

hmm, I just checked and I do have the option in gadgets selected... it's a bit weird really. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I was talking about the Gadget option: "Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices". I have it checked on my preference page. If this feature is not working on your mobile device, then you should consider opening a thread on WP:VP so that folks can resolve it or fix it if there is a bug somewhere. regards--DBigXrayᗙ 16:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Edward Zigma - Disruptive editing

User:Edward Zigma, a user it appears is currently under investigation here for harassment, has been making a number of disruptive edits to articles Super Best Friends, The Quint and Talk:Quora. I have reverted these edits, and reverted his reverts of the first two. The user is being hostile to warnings left on their page, calling them "futile" and refuses to back down on their clearly disruptive edits (censorship, removal of refs, removal of own controversial comments from an article talk page).UaMaol (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

No. I had already complained about you to a editor. First you went on a spree through my contributions and reverted them one by one. I complained about this to the editor AddWittyNameHere I asked you thrice and told you to discuss this in the discussion page here. I called force removing of my edits futile and I urges you to discuss on the talk page everytime on the edit which you did not. And when I complained about you to the editor, you decided to open a case here. I never reverted your edits thrice. Its not vandalism but your denial to debate in discussion page even after I urge you says you dont want to be involved in that. Instead you opened agaim a fake grievance of me.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Its my question that why do you went on sudden edits by me and revert them one by one in half an hour. Then even after me urging you to take the discussion to article talk page, you refused to do so. And even after that when I complained about you to user AddWittyNameHere, withing some monents you opened a grievance against me. Please answer these questions.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Edward Zigma, I really, really want to believe you're a good faith editor who is just having a rough start to Wikipedia, but the way you're responding to other editors when they have criticism of you or disagree with you is absolutely not doing you any favors. Let me repeat part of my response on my user talk: "I would recommend not treating other editors, whether that is Harshil or someone uninvolved like Uamaol, like they're against you or enemies. If they are, you only make yourself look bad by behaving in kind. If they aren't? Well, acting like they are might just be the best way to turn people against you and make enemies out of them after all. Stay calm and discuss rationally, and if you don't believe you can stay calm, step back and wait until you can." AddWittyNameHere 04:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

But he went through my contributions and reverted all of them one by one. He forcefully remove all my edits without proper reason. And when I conplained that to you, within moments after the complaint he opened this. Can we say this is in good faith towards me?. Isn't this behaviour hostile and discorage other editor. If he had a problem he could discuss it in the article talk page. But even after me urging him thrice he refused todo that.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

It is frustrating, sure, but all three of the edits you linked me to were justified reversals. That doesn't make it any nicer for you, but the appropriate way to handle it is by seeking consensus (not just post, wait a few hours, then act) on the relevant article's talk page, or by calmly asking the user why they reverted you and what they believe your edit lacked. The appropriate way to handle it is not re-reverting them, tell them to look at the talk page where no one had even gotten around to replying to your comment yet, then when they revert another edit of you elsewhere telling them "This warning is futile. It has zero significance."

And even if they had been wrong in their reversals, that would not be the way to handle it. Remember when you accidentally contacted me on my userpage instead of user talk page yesterday? If my response to that had been something along the lines of reverting you and commenting "My user talk exists for a reason, use it" or "Posting on my user page instead of talk page is futile and has zero significance", would you have felt welcome to actually talk with me afterwards? I doubt it. The other people here on Wikipedia are exactly that: other people. Just as it is frustrating to you to have your edits reverted, it is frustrating to them when you respond with hostility. AddWittyNameHere 04:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

This is very good advice but

He could saiy the same to me but he responded like some forced editor. uamaolIf I wamted to disrupt or vandalise the pages I would have done that even after your edits. But all your edits are intact as you cann see. I reverted them but at the same time opened the query in article talk page too. But after that when you again reverted(which can be seen as disruptive editing from your side too), i didnt revert it. Then how can you say I am involved in this. But you went through my contributions and undo all the edits made by me in mere hakf an hour and when I complained about this to a senior editor you tried to open a fake case on me.Is this justifiable?. You first went through my contribution and went on an undo spree. Then your discussion at that in the talk pages were nil even after i urged you to do that. Then when I complained about this to a senior editor moments later you opened a report againsy me. If you got youself involved in discussion rather than giving warnings that would be better. I had my thought process to behind those edits. They were not disruption in any way. But you forcefully came and undo all that which started all this nuisance. Is this justifiable?Edward Zigma (talk) 04:54, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Considering the very short timespan between your edit to my talkpage and Uamaol's report here, I strongly suspect you were both typing up your posts at the same time. I don't think they filed this report in retaliation to you contacting me, you just both independently decided the two of you weren't going to come to any resolution yourselves and needed outside eyes.

That said, Edward Zigma? If a handful of reverts make you this frustrated, I would strongly reconsider whether it is a good idea to edit Wikipedia, much less edit in a fairly controversial area like India and Pakistan-related articles. Being reverted is part of Wikipedia. I get reverted from time to time, and most of my wiki work is in what are possibly the least conflict-prone, most out-of-the-way areas of Wikipedia: moth species and putting templates on redirects.

Furthermore, at least one reversion on The Quint was not by User:Uamaol but by another user who independently decided they also disagreed with your edit.

I also would not classify this as a "fake case". While I don't think it necessarily needs to be on the Administrators' noticeboard--at least, if you calm down, stop accusing Uamaol of various bad faith actions, and start calmly discussing things--the specifics of their complaint are not wrong: you made some Bold edits, they reverted, and rather than discuss things calmly, you started re-reverting and treating Uamaol with hostility.

At this point, I don't think I can give you any further advice, other than please, please read Bold, Revert, Discuss. I have said all that I feel is worth saying about this subject, now it is up to you to decide whether or not you'll actually do anything with that advice. AddWittyNameHere 05:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

My problem is he just reverted my edits, ok no problem. But then he stickied a warning. What was the need of the warning in the first place. This warning is getting used as discouraging other editors and uamaol doesnt used it morally. He just came and revert the edits and issued a warning. If he respect the other editors what was the need of the warning in the first place. His first interaction with me was that warning which he used in ill mannerEdward Zigma (talk) 05:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

@Edward Zigma: While sure, a personal message would have been preferable over a set of templated warnings because it would probably have been less confusing to you, those warnings are standardized templates used across the entire English-language wikipedia to point out to editors that specific edits they've been making are problematic and can, if repeated, get them into trouble. (Hence "warning") They get stricter in language as things progress because if you get multiple of them, it means the message wasn't received the first time (or, in case of an "only warning", you did something so close to getting yourself blocked the time for mild admonishment is over). So basically, what it means is not "I'm telling you, if you don't stop I'm gonna get you into trouble", but rather "Heads up! Some of those recent edits are the kind of thing folks regularly get into trouble over.", and the later, more strict warnings are basically "Watch out! You're now getting awfully close to the point someone might block you over your editing." AddWittyNameHere 05:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

• If you guys want someone to look into this, please include some diffs. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Others paying for content that we use here

Discussion at WikiProject Med with respect to skin images. Just an FYI to the larger community. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:16, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Admin eyes needed, agian

Resolved

Could an admin please find what Moonriddengirl says about the page's copyvios on Talk:United States Supreme Court cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses and then paste it to Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20100114? This would be extremely useful in figuring out this CCI. Thanks, 💵Money💵emoji💵^{Talk💸Help out at CCI!} 12:40, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I sent it to your talk page, since I wasn't sure where to stick it on that page. WilyD 12:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

MikeTheEditor104 unblock appeal

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• MikeTheEditor104 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Qattus1055/Archive

MikeTheEditor104 and a slew of socks were blocked in 2014, and they have now requested an unblock:

Hi. I recently found the details for this account as it's been a long time (I do have to state however that I do not remember the login details for Qattus1055 which was the main account.) I mostly just want to apologize to the Administrators for my actions all these years back.. creating all those sock puppets account was no joke and was clearly out of control with all of the "trolling" at the time. Yunshui, Mark Arsten and other Administrators were also caught in our (our being Myself and a couple of friends at that time) vandalism spree back then, a huge apology to them for all of this.

Yes, I was very young and doing it alongside friends, but that is clearly inexcusable considering the hassle I caused all you and most importantly the fact that it was disruptive and against all the basic rules of this site. It's a shame really because I actually found the tasks above, such as the CUVA process above to be very educational and fun but I still had the nerve to login/create alt accounts to disrupt the site. I completely understand that it may be difficult to believe this considering the past, I am mostly sending this request as a way to apologize to everyone for all of these shenanigans back then. If I were to be unblocked, I would probably just check in once in a while to revert any bad edits to random pages or possibly to add small contributions to pages, I believe I used to do this by checking the "Recent changes" tab.

Seeing as I have quite the vandal history, I read up on some of the process with regards to blocking/unblocking and found the 2nd chance template. Obviously, I don't know what decision the Administration will take, but I decided to take the incentive to start proposing small edits to pages in which I feel I could contribute to.

MikeTheEditor104 (talk) 21:31, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

The last sockpuppet appears to have been blocked in January 2015, and I don't see any evidence of disruption since then. As this user is technically banned under THREESTRIKES, I'm bringing this here for review and consideration of the standard offer. – bradv🍁 14:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support unblock with WP:ROPE - pretty clear they understand what they did wrong and have said how they plan to change and what they'll do. If they're interested in counter-vandalism, I'd be willing to keep an eye on them and help them along. ^creffpublic _{a creffett franchise} (talk to the boss) 14:58, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support unblock - five years is long enough to give them another chance.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:03, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support unblock with WP:ROPE per clear acknowledgement of past behavioral problems and indication of how they'd benefit the project going forward. We tend to like reformed vandals. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:10, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support One of the better block appeals I have seen. Five years of inactivity and an acknowledgment of the wrongness is pretty compelling, and I'm inclined to give the user a new chance. Grandpallama (talk) 15:20, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support A fairly clear cut case for ROPE and the SO. The time is more than sufficient and 5 years can make a big difference. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:35, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support It seems that this editor has matured in the last five years, regrets the disruption they caused, and is ready to be a constructive contributor. Welcome back. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:01, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support per ROPE, SO, and 5 years is a long time. – Levivich 19:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:13, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support unblock. This is the proverbial textbook example of a what an unblock request should look like. I hope their conduct after their unblock matches the tone of their request. (I'm optimistic that it will, but of course, professional skepticism and ROPE.) —C.Fred (talk) 20:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Support unblock. Almost half a decade, a significant increase in maturity and a clear understanding of what they did wrong should be enough to give this editor a second chance. (So basically, per ROPE and SO as several others have stated above) AddWittyNameHere 20:48, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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Unblock appeal by Wikibreaking

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The titled discussion opened by an admin Seraphimblade was archived without closing. I think the discussion should be closed officially as a result of the community review.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 05:46, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

• Everyone opposed and no one was interested enough to close it or unblock. I’m not going to go dig through an archive, but if you want an uninvolved admin to give their opinion, sure: I would close it as no consensus to unblock. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

An admin ‎Bradv closed an unblock request based on the above review.[8] That is what I should have requested here. Thank you.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Subpage deletion

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I'm not sure how to have my subpage deleted. Is there a template I can put in the subpage or do I have to ask an admin. I want to delete User:Melofors/Images, User:Melofors/Navigation, User:Melofors/Keepy Ducky, and User:Melofors/Nottingham Galley. -Melofors (talk) 07:09, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Done. In the future, you can add the template {{db-u1}} to the page, or for something easier to remember, {{Delete my user page}} (subpages included). Someguy1221 (talk) 07:14, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Arbitration motion regarding Sexology

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

Remedy 2.1 of Sexology ("Jokestress topic-banned from human sexuality") is amended to read:

Jokestress (talk · contribs) is indefinitely banned from the topic of human sexuality and gender, including biographies of people who are primarily notable for their work in these fields.

For the Arbitration Committee --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 06:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Arbitration motion regarding Sexology

Need help with a revert

Resolved

Can someone revert Lachy digital edits at Jack White, I get a huge error message, something to do with meta spam blacklist. Thanx, - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 07:25, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done with the notablebiographies.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com link removed. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:32, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

TY. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 08:38, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

American Politics protections

If anyone's interested and wants to save five minutes working it out, the protection timestamp for midnight Eastern on polling day 2020 is 202011040500, midnight Pacific is 202011040700updated. I have a feeling I will be typing that from memory soon. In related news: I love pending changes. The perfect halfway house between open editing and anarchy, at least on well-watched articles. Guy (help!) 22:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Midnight where, JzG? London? Hawaii? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

It's always 5 o'Clock somewhere. El_C 05:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Cullen328: you're right, my bad. Wrong coast. In my defence, everyone I work with in US always gives times in Eastern, but I should know better as my wife's firm is now firmly on Pacific. Guy (help!) 12:42, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't midnight Pacific be 0800 UTC? ST47 (talk) 20:02, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

User voting multiple times in a single AfD despite request not to

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Can an admin take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Botchii, cross out invalid votes and warn the editor in question, User:Powertolife, who made them that this is not acceptable? I asked him to cross out his second vote there, but instead he voted for the third time. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

This new editor has less than 30 edits. Please try to discuss the matter with them on their talk page. Perhaps they think that they are supposed to add "Keep" to any comment they make at AfD. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

I've never seen this before on an XfD. How weird. Yes, likely some confusion on their part. Anyway, I closed the AfD as delete, but depending on the success of the upcoming movie, the article may be recreated soonish (I'll add an addendum to that effect). El_C 04:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Disagreement between Leaky caldron and me concerning ADMINACCT

Today, I was unfortunate to leave this comment. Based on this and the subsequent discussion, Leaky caldron came to the conclusion that I was not impartial in the discussion, and that my remark in this discussion shows a clear bias in favor of admin participants. They found my responses that I did not mean anything of this kind, first there and then at my talk page, unconvincing, and now they came up with the requirement that I should warn Kudpung, another participant on this discussion. To be honest, I did not feel such pressure on Wikipedia since about two years ago, when my interaction with Fram followed a similar scenario. However, it does not mean anything, or it could mean that I am tired, or that I do not understand obvious things. May I please ask (an) uninvolved participant(s) (and given the nature of the dispute, it is better that these participants are non-admins) to read Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee Elections December 2020#Questions to candidates and User talk:Ymblanter#Remaining question unanswered (this is not much text) and answer two questions: (i) was my behavior inappropriate in this episode, in particular, below that expected from an administrator; (ii) are there any policies, guidelines or any other binding documents, in particular, WP:ADMINACCT, which would require me to continue this discussion (which I already proposed to stop [9]) and take any actions as a result which I would not otherwise take. Thank you for looking into this.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

This is ridiculous Ymblanter, you have nothing to answer for here. There are users who will exploit any, just absolutely any, opportunity to insist they have been attacked, insulted, offended by an admin, or to find any other flimsy reason whatsoever to have a dig at admins. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Just to be clear, I have not requested this referral and am not intending to participate beyond the following. I don't want to crawl over the entrails of past disputes. Nor did I require Ymb to warn Kudpung. I did ask Ymb if Kudpung's remarks about my use of English parts of speech was also a borderline personal attack and if Ymb was intending to do anything about that but it falls some way short of a requirement, IMO. Leaky caldron (talk) 13:37, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• The incident just seems to be a routine discussion and there's no need for a big inquest per WP:LIGHTBULB. On the issue of effective communication, Ymblanter should please review his opening sentences. In the first one, I'm not sure what he means by "unfortunate". In the second, I have the impression that there's a missing "not". Andrew D. (talk) 13:44, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

  Thank you, I inserted "not". Unfortunate means here that if I could foresee where the discussion would go and how much time and effort it would cost to me to continue it, I would never respond there even though I still stand by my opinion.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Narayan Rao Tarale

It happens once again. In this year's August RHaworth deleted two stub articles (Maya Rani Paul and Jogesh Chandra Barman) which were created by me. They were MLA. Just now, he also deleted Narayan Rao Tarale who was a member of the Karnataka Legislative Assembly (see Former MLA Narayan Rao Tarale passes away). Proper references were given in that article. According to wP:NPOL MLAs are notable. So why this article falls under a7 and why it was deleted? I think the article should be restored by an administrator.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 18:17, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

S. M. Nazmus Shakib, You will need to go to WP:REFUND if you would like the page to be restored. Interstellarity (talk) 19:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Interstellarity and :RHaworth please answer, did this article fall under a7? Did your speedy deletion tag putting was appropriate or did his deletion was correct? He had done it before. Why he is doing repeatedly?

For your refund request, it was written there Please do not request that pages deleted under speedy deletion criteria A7, G4, G5, G11 or G12 be undeleted here. So I have only one option.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 19:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Interstellarity ... at WP:REFUND does it not say Please do not request that pages deleted under speedy deletion criteria A7, G4, G5, G11 or G12 be undeleted here.. So can you confirm the direction you have given to S. M. Nazmus Shakib. Comment: I Haven't seen the article though. Not sure S. M. Nazmus Shakib should be forced to go via WP:AFC as there might be a WP:DRV option also. @S. M. Nazmus Shakib ... RHaworth does really excellent work actioning very many speedy delete requests but obviously mistakes can be made and best to ask him nicely (and without shouting) on his talk page in the first instance before going for a WP:REFUND request or continuing here. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:42, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Djm-leighpark, I try not to give incorrect advice to anyone. I thought I was pointing this editor in the right direction. Anyway, I will let you guide this editor in the right path. I trust you. Interstellarity (talk) 19:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Djm-leighpark Sorry, if it seems shout. I am not en-N user. Its my second language. I have no intention to shout. If it seems its my mistake.

I have requested him on his talkpage, it is unanswered till now. Please, see, his talkpage. I know to err is human. But, I think an article of a lawmaker with proper references and having two para and three references should not fall under a7 and it should not be deleted if a7 was used by mistake. I think it is a bad speedy deletion. The article should be restored.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

• The assertion in the article that the subject was a member of a state legislature (backed up with sources) is a credible claim of significance or importance for the purposes of speedy deletion criteria A7 and it really shouldn’t have been tagged as such. Interstellarity, will you bear that in mind going forward please? As for restoration, the steps are to contact the deleting admin directly and then, if not resolved, raised the matter at deletion review. We are at the first step at RHaworth talk page at the moment. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

UK newspaper sources and how to handle deprecated sources?

This has spilled over from WP:RSN, but clearly it has gone beyond WP:RSN's ability to find a solution.

• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#News of the World
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Daily Mail (sigh, yes, again)
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Correct action when someone persistently adds back a deprecated source?
• User talk:David Gerard#John Wark

UK newspapers are increasingly seen as unreliable and unfit to be used as sources (unlike, for instance, the seemingly unimpeachable Fox News or Russia Today). Every time I look at the noticeboard, another one has been added. This has gone from the infamous WP:DAILYMAIL "ban" to The Sun, The News Of The World and even The Daily Express.

These sources are now "deprecated". There is little agreement as to what "deprecated" means. WP:DEPS is pretty clear "that editors are discouraged from citing in articles, because they fail the reliable sources guideline in nearly all circumstances." and "Deprecating a source is a more moderate measure than "banning" it.". However some editors at WP:RSN have disagreed with this. Also note that DEPS does not list the NotW or Express as deprecated at all.

There is general agreement at RSN that:

• These sources are deprecated, and rightly so (at least, let's say, for the Daily Mail). There is no question that they do not have considerable problems of either recurrent inaccuracy or editorial bias.
• Deprecation should (per DEPS) discourage these sources being added to articles.
• There are also issues, without great disagreement, that an article, a BLP statement, or a contentious statement generally, would have trouble passing WP:V if it relied upon such sources.

It should also be noted that:

• There is no policy against the use of non-RS sources. There is no policy supporting the immediate removal of non-RS sources. We have guidelines, based on WP:V, which require the use of RS sources (and would not be met by non-RS sources) in several situations. But there is no policy against the further use of sources which do not meet RS, to go beyond this. Typically such sources have had issues re WP:SPS.

When it gets to the following however, there is great disagreement at RS:

• What is to be done about existing articles, with existing use of deprecated sources?

Several approaches have been discussed:

1. Tagging such sources as {{better source needed}} or {{Deprecated inline}}.
2. Immediate blanket removal of all such sources, from all articles. Optionally with replacement by {{citation needed}}
3. Immediate blanket removal of all such sources, and the content which they support, from all articles.
4. Deletion of articles which rely on such sources.

Two editors have been carrying out 2 / 3 here. Despite prior agreements to not do this, and to limit themselves to 1. There is no consensus to support this, there is significant opposition to doing so (1 would be supported). There is no policy to support this, WP:DEPS does not support it, WP:DAILYMAIL does not support it, the RfCs etc. before WP:DAILYMAIL were pretty clear in not supporting it. Also, when other editors have done this, they have largely been reverted. However two powerful editors (admins) are able to push this through anyway.

These removals have also failed on WP:COMPETENCE and WP:EW. In many cases, one citation or reference to a deprecated source has been removed, leaving other citations hanging. In others they've removed blocks of citations and taken out obvious RS with them. There have been concerns about the speed of these edits, and their resultant poor accuracy, including breaching the usual level of "a sustained rate of under 5 seconds per edit" being seen as a problem, re WP:MEATBOT. Edit-warring is a given: even against CitationBot [10][11][12] on Skibidi and most recently [13][14] on block-setting crane. It might be noted that this citation came up specifically at the WP:DAILYMAIL RfC a year ago as an example of why automated bulk removal of these citations was so wrong Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 254#RfC: The Sun. And of course, whenever admins indulge in content disagreements, they back it up with threats of blocks: User talk:Andy Dingley#Addition of deprecated sources to Wikipedia articles.

WP:FAIT and a willingness to edit-war freely is also a good way to skew any argument in one party's favour, if they have the power and influence to do so. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 270#Global ban on non-RS? is a good example of such, to strip out all use of an unquestioned (except by one) source which then turned out to have support as RS.

These disagreements (and for one of the admins here they're very long-running) have been characterised throughout by sheer bad-faith and abuse of other editors, and regular threats. Some of the abuse would be insta-blocks if anyone else had done it the other way, but evidently it's OK for them to call other editors "c*nts". In particular, two things: a persistent and unbending description of anyone disagreeing as "friends of The Sun" etc. Yet no-one here is supporting these sources or claiming that these newspapers are a problem for us (the first two points at the start here), rather than disagreeing solely on the third point, what is to be done about them? Secondly, repeatedly claiming that policy supports immediate blanket removals and citing WP:DEPS in support of that: and yet DEPS does not support any such, nor does WP:DAILYMAIL.

WP:RSN is not a safe space for a GF discussion on how to proceed here, when one side of the argument can (and is repeatedly) threatening to block the other. Accordingly I bring it here. We need some sort of agreement on the remedy for these sources, and can we please try and do it without accusing the bona fides of one side and pretending that they are instead advocates for the Sun. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

I would also add briefly here that at least one editor currently purging Wikipedia against all the above is an admin and has utilised WP:ICANTHEARYOU several times, along with unfounded claims against users' motivations, strongly in contravention of WP:ADMINACCT. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:51, 24 November 2019 (UTC)