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Not alone Thank you. Good to know I'm not alone in that view. Antandrus (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC) That made me a grouchy Santa. Carrite (talk) 18:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC) the Bad Site Saw your comment on FAs at WR: "I've submitted none of my articles to the A/GA/FA process and I never will. When I'm done, it's a B -- and it's perfectly......................... satisfactory.". Same here. I think Fishery Protection Squadron is my best one, but I can't be bothered to put it forward for GA and go through all the nonsense with the manual of style and dashes in the right place. It teaches people, and that's good enough for me. The Cavalry (Message me) 00:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC) ✰ The Original Barnstar Came here via my watchlist, which I have seen you on frequently. You have expanded quite a few of my stubs. Thanks for that! Reading your talk page you also appear to be doing a lot of other work I approve of, so cheers :) jorgenev (t|c|s) 07:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC) Hey there I do know that you have clear views on administration. At the same time, in one perspective of mine, there might be no harm in giving mature editors like you additional tools that they may utilize in times of need to improve the project; and may not utilize when they are editing. Of course, my view may be gravely incorrect. But there's no harm in asking you - would you up for adminship? It'll be a privilege to nominate you. Kind regards. Wifione Message 18:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC) Summary of reply: "Thanks, but no thanks." Carrite (talk) Silk Purse Award Silk Purse Award I am both pleased and honored to present you with the Silk Purse Award in appreciation for your improvements to the Cynthia Basinet article, essentially changing what was seen as a sow's ear into a terrific silk purse. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC) Just wanted to say hello Thanks and Happy New Year. The Original Barnstar I see you are still encouraging new editors and you are helping anyone who asks you to in a mature and objective way. Just wanted to say I have never forgot how you help me in the first few weeks when I wanted to throw a computer monitor out of the window at times. You are the best wishing you a great 2012 It is always reassuring to new editors that you are here JoeyD2010 (talk) 08:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Diplomacy Sadly, too few disputes here seem to be independently resolved well. Your actions at an AfD are deeply appreciated and deserve recognition. VQuakr (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Special Barnstar For your special work to help build the place where neutral should be keep! Farewellmyfriend (talk) 02:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC) A barnstar The Genuine Barnstar Tim, this is just the second barnstar I've ever presented. You and I haven't chatted much in recent months, but every time I see your work here, I am impressed and gladdened that an editor such as you is active here. I took this photo in Petaluma, California, home town of my father-in-law, and also home of Jewish socialist chicken ranchers 100 years ago. That's the milieu he grew up in. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 12 August 2012 (UTC) The Article Rescue Barnstar For your excellent detective work in finding solid sources for Donald Duncan. Thanks for your hard work! I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 21:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC) A kitten for you! Thanks for your sensible comments at Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-10-01/Paid_editing. Bearian (talk) 20:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC) @Carrite/Tim, It is another moment of integrity, one in a long list, where the principal, principled defenders of free speech and critics of harassment of conservatives are leftists, notably you (Carrite). Well done! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Diplomacy For being level headed, helpful and polite wrt Sally Season Sædontalk 00:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC) About zombies The Barnstar of Good Humor For this. Made me chuckle. Good work! xanchester (t) 09:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC) Just the right words The Socratic Barnstar For giving it the whoopty fuckin' doo on the Lynette Nusbacher AFD NetNus (talk) 23:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC) A cup of tea for you! For making me smile at the end of a long day. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 11:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC) Thanks I left a more detailed comment at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Proposed decision#General thanks to the parties & participants, but I wanted to thank you and the other parties to the arbitration case for your excellent conduct throughout the process. You should also know that the case is due to close in a few hours (about midnight UTC at the earliest). Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 17:21, 12 March 2013 (UTC) I misjudged you You would make a great administrator. Hypothetically speaking, I mean. Obviously it's not for everyone. Kurtis (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC) Thanks for the nice words. We are indeed dealing with hypotheticals here, as I have no interest in the buttons. Happy editing. Carrite (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC) I know that, which is precisely why I used the term "hypothetically speaking". :-) Kurtis (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Original Barnstar Thanks for creating the new Victor Kamkin Bookstore article, and for all of your work to improve Wikipedia! Northamerica1000(talk) 05:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Barnstar of Good Humor For this comment. Bearian (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar For your kind words here. Bearian (talk) 20:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC) Passing comment Beautifully said. Really. I wish everyone on the project would read that, especially the long-time contributors, the more burnt-out ones. Antandrus (talk) 03:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC) I appreciate it very much, you're one of my Wikipedia heroes. Best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 04:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC) A kitten for you! For making me laugh today. I loved the Timbo rule about IP editors being dressed moose at hunting season time. FYI you have two rule #6. ...William 00:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC) The Barnstar of Good Humor For keeping up the spirit of collegiality and not allowing differences over policy to become personal. Coretheapple (talk) 18:00, 23 January 2014 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Editor's Barnstar Brilliant! "It's a mix of grey hats and black hats currently. We all agree that the black hats need to become grey hats pronto or to wind up at Boot Hill. Yee haw. WMF is trying to eliminate both grey hats and black hats by banning headgear. That won't make spottin' the bad guys any easier, pardner! Carrite (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2014 (UTC)" Whoop-ee-ti-yi-ow git along little dogies! (Gandy yodels a soothing tune to the herd as she rounds um up and heads um out.) Gandydancer (talk) 17:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC) Well deserved barnstar The Article Rescue Barnstar For your usual outstanding work on Laura McCullough. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar "Actually, it is a reflection of community consensus, with which you do not happen to agree-Carrite" Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:30, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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How would you fix it? (And why do you have the 2014 box on top of your page?) NE Ent 13:42, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

I've had the 2014 box up there so I could find it to review who said what about whom and how things turned out. I'd do three things that can be seen and one thing that can't: 1. Increase speed by cutting evidence time (7 days, no extensions), eliminating the useless and contentious workshop phase, and setting and maintaining deadlines for the final decision process to start and work itself through. 2. Split the committee in half into two work groups with only half the committee deciding each case. The current committee is unwieldy and excessive caseload burns people out. 3. End the secret testimony/secret decision dynamic. Conduct all but the most sensitive deliberations in public with only privacy-related matters open to email evidence and off-wiki discussion. And the unseen thing: come up with a decent system for speedy simultaneous communication. There probably also needs to be devolution of some duties, like ban appeals. Carrite (talk) 14:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

BASC is gone, AUSC virtually gone and probably will be officially. We have the technology for simultaneous voice communication which we use with the WMF, but there's the time zone problem. In practice, splitting the commitee in half for cases could end up with a situation, say, where there are only 12 members available so decisions are made by only 4 people. I seem to recall I opposed this before I was elected and still do. Members of the committee differ in various ways, and I think everyone benefits from having the whole committee on a case and I'm not convinced it's any slower. Evidence just a week? For some cases probably a good idea, but not for all. I'd like to see us making better use of the workshop pages ourselves. At times we've posted draft PDs there and let people comment, for instance. But they can go on to long and be used for vendettas, I agree. Doug Weller (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Your new rule

I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone remark there "aren't enough lawyers" :) --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Ha ha, that's true, isn't it?!? Carrite (talk) 20:46, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Thomas L. Hisgen

Hi Carrite, you wrote the article about Thomas L. Hisgen. Do you know the name of his father? I'm interested because I wrote about de:Daniel Hisgen. Best wishes, --Wikiwal (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Now: Daniel Hisgen. --Wikiwal (talk) 07:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Rfc in Denial of the Holodomor

Hi Carrite, maybe the discussion ongoing here [1] could be of some interest for you. Don't know how much I'll be able to be present in the next days but thanks if you want to intervene. Bye -- Flushout1999 (talk) 08:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Tim, can you take a look at this: User talk:Bagumba#Possible SPI. I think it needs a second look from someone more familiar with the previous editing history than me. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:52, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

New article about bicycle history

Hello, Carrite. It's been a long I haven't created an article for English Wikipedia, but now one more the article about historical person - Latvian cycle manufacturer is finished. I would like to ask you to take a look in my sandbox: User:Ance_P./sandbox - an article that will be connected to previously made (and your supported) G. Ērenpreis Bicycle Factory, about a founder of this factory. I would be grateful if you could take a look and correct any bad mistake. I would like to go for request to publish this article. The picture - a portait of Gustavs is still on the way to finding the right copyrights :). However, Thank you in advance. User:Ance P. (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2015

FTW

Reddit's WikiInAction has a user predicting the voting results. Your predictions are not too far off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Not your average joe schmoe (talk • contribs) 06:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Obviously we differ on a few of the slots. We'll see, eh? Carrite (talk) 06:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Request

Carrite, would it be okay with you if I reprinted a post of yours from WO where you list the views received by the different candidate guides on my talk page? I have a section that discusses the collective picks of the guides and the numbers for views would be an interesting addition. Of course, attribution would be provided! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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The dictum you're looking for to describe the new arb appointments is "O'Sullivan's Law". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.132.96.84 (talk) 05:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Help for article Gustavs Ērenpreiss

Hello, Carrite. Thank you for advice previously for my Gustavs Ērenpreis draft. I have submitted twice this article, but unfortunately it does not go through. Do you have any idea what could help? I do not know anymore what more reliable sources I could refer to.. I would be grateful for any advice, otherwise I will let this article unpublished, it seems useless and not worth to fight for it User:Ance P. (talk) 12:33, 14 December 2015

Your big mistake was submitting it through Articles for Creation rather than just launching the page. I'll see about tweaking it a little and getting it launched on Thursday when my schedule frees up. Carrite (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Your !vote on RfA

I'm sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh. So thank you. :p—^cyberpower_{Merry Christmas:Unknown} 18:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas, Tim

And may all your days be merry and bright . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

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'falsification of sources'

Thanks for contacting me on my talk page, however I am taking a wikibreak at present for two reasons. Firstly because despite patiently participation I have been unsuccessful in protecting the General Motors streetcar conspiracy article from a load of what I consider to be edits damaging to its neutrality - I went to arbitration but the guidance was not followed by one of the other editors and I didn't have the energy to progress the issue further. Secondly, the workload in other parts of my life has also increased.

As such I am not really going to be a useful recipient of a detailed critic of the article by email (and haven't until now participated in off-WP email discussions about articles anyway). Would it be more useful to either host the research somewhere else on the web and then link to it from the talk page or if the text is small enough, post it to talk anyway.

I note that your comment on my talk page has already prompted a critical and loaded response there which reinforces my view that I am not about to engage with the article again.

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	Thank you for the participation and support at my RFA. It is truly appreciated. I hope to be of further help around here, and if you see me doing something dumb, you know where to find me. Again, I thank you. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 01:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Crowdsourcing

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I must look up all Jimmy's comments about the evil of the 'one best way' or 'command and control' way of organizing things. This seems to contradict all of that. Peter Damian (talk) 09:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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Help #2 for article Gustavs Ērenpreiss

Happy New Year, Carrite! I thought that going through the provided way from sandbox to draft submission would work on Wikipedia.. Never did this way, so it seems it doesn't work. Should I just type in search tab "Gustavs Ērenpreiss" and choose "Start the Gustavs Ērenpreis article" and copy from draft all content? Gustavs Ērenpreis draftUser:Ance P. (talk) 12:14, 01 January 2016

Arnnon Geshuri

Hello, Tim,

Was the WMF board fully aware of Arnnon Geshuri's central role in a major anticompetitive scandal at Google when they approved his appointment? In 2010, the Justice Department shut down the illegal collusion between Google and five other Silicon Valley corporations. Geshuri helped manage that collusion for Google. A class action lawsuit settled in September, 2015 forced those companies to pay $415 million in compensation to 64,000 employees whose careers were damaged by the conspiracy that Geshuri was part of. Geshuri was directly involved in the ugly and humiliating termination of a woman who did not comply with the illegal scheme. He was chastised by federal judge Lucy Koh for attempting to pull Facebook into the conspiracy, and threatening retaliation if they didn't. Details can be found at User:Cullen328/Arnnon Geshuri. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Very interesting. This is a poor place for a sensitive discussion. You might consider www.wikipediocracy.com — it may be time to for you to join NY Brad, Gorilla Warfare, Dennis Brown, and a host of other committed Wikipedians in taking the plunge. best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

You mention a few of the good guys. It is the hordes of sleaze bags and obsessives and cranks there that concern me. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:48, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Fewer than you realize. Carrite (talk) 03:23, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Tim and Jim, this note (from a sleazy obsessive crank!) is just to acknowledge your incisive, illuminating, and principled contributions to the ongoing discussions re. the Board’s shenanigans. Many thanks. Writegeist (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Armed propaganda

Do you have anything to add (like RS) for armed propaganda, given your interest in Marxist history? Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 02:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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I'm a nudge

I hate to be a nudge, but I saw your Jimbo post, and I was hoping you could get around to Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters? Thanks. Alanscottwalker (talk) 12:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do sometime this month. I revisited American Negro Labor Congress last night, that's my first little project for the month. Carrite (talk) 15:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA

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Lips Are Movin

I remember your participation in this. Well, I am trying to get that article back up to GA. Can you go over it and give me advice (& maybe even a short review)? Help appreciated. --MaranoFan (talk) 13:31, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

commons:File:Hillquit-Morris-240725.jpg

Hello, vielen Dank Carrite. Greetings --Hedwig Storch (talk) 17:00, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

left part of a ref in article.

Hello Comrade. In Communist Party of Great Britain, You left the following in the article, "[T]he events of 1956 ... saw the loss of between one-quarter and one-third of Party members, including many leading intellectuals."</ref>. This was part of a reference, but you changed the ref up. I don't know if you meant to delete it or include it in the ref. Bgwhite (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad — I broke one. Now fixed. Thanks for the note. —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 01:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Great minds ...

I'm afraid we massively edit conflicted at Golden Nugget Atlantic City. I decided to push through my version since I had made more radical changes, but I've opened a talk page section to discuss specifics. I must now head to bed, but wanted to apologize to you personally here first, since you'd plainly stopped editing before I tried to save. Yngvadottir (talk) 13:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

No worries. Carrite (talk) 13:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Different views

Interesting, isn"t it. Young Scott can call at least half the population bigotted by implication, but if you were to call him a gigantic, arrogant fuckwit, he'd probably whinge to Z or sit you out himself. Wingnuts, huh? - Nov — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.187.114.203 (talk) 11:48, 23 February 2016

Who are you calling young?  — Scott • talk 21:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal

I am assuming that the removal of my comment was inadvertent.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Those ludicrous incest articles

Yo, Tim. I note with interest Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incest in entertainment. As someone commented there, that and the other articles were chopped out of Incest in popular culture. Nearly two years ago, I was one of several people arguing strongly for its deletion at the utterly shambolic Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incest in popular culture (2nd nomination), which closed as no consensus. If you're game for taking on the other two parts, I'll support you. There's a very strong argument to be made that the "keep" voters were saying "this article can be fixed", and that completely failed to happen until now. Bringing it to nine years!  — Scott • talk 21:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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The school existed later.Xx236 (talk) 07:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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I noticed you uploaded these in early 2015, and I am in the process of transferring them to Commons. You tagged all three with {{keep local}}. Do you still wish for these to be kept local, as I see no reason for them to be. MB298 (talk) 03:25, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

MB298 - It needs to be kept local because Commons has deleted my uploads for vindictive reasons. So, go ahead and duplicate it to Commons, but please also leave a preservation copy here. Storage space is cheap and WMF is rich. Carrite (talk) 03:38, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. MB298 (talk) 03:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hm, you didn't realise Jimmy was such a literalist? I'm surprised: that's why he tried to get rid of me from his talk page the first time round when I used the word "hysterical" in its generic rather than genderised sense. I didn't even realise there was a genderised sense at the time. Jimmy's problem is he doesn't like people calling him out, period. It's nothing to do with literalism. - Sitush (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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Paul Novick

Looking forward to reading what you've got when the article comes along. Came across some passing mentions alongside the Koval references and interested in learning more about him. :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 23:10, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm off tomorrow and hope to take a big chunk out of it. Carrite (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Robby Starbuck

• Robby Starbuck · ( talk | logs | history | links | watch | afd ) · [revisions]

User:Sandstein asked me to reach out to another admin because he is "Bored" by entertainment topics... Even though he's the one who deleted this. Deletion said to reach to him and because he's "Bored" he asked me to ask another admin... You were a part of the talk on this deletion review and you stood on the side saying it shouldn't be deleted. Circling to you to see if you can undelete...

I request the undeletion of this Article that was deleted after discussion. You had agreed with the notability but other users did not because they didn't look hard for additional sources of notability and did not accept your source(s). I have a list of new sources of notability. Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. 11:27, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Article should be restored, See Additional sources of Notability I plan to add.

MTV article regarding the longform release of 5 videos for AKON album (Includes photo of Robby Starbuck & Akon) http://www.mtv.com/news/2039004/akon-announces-five-part-album-stadium/

Billboard article regarding his work with EVE & Gabe Saporta http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/1556337/behind-the-scenes-of-eve-and-gabe-saportas-make-it-out-this-town

It's notable that he directed the official music video for the Paramount Pictures produced motion picture TERMINATOR: GENYSIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLFITzW0nA

see BET article regarding his work with AKON http://www.bet.com/news/music/2014/03/11/akon-opens-up-about-b-howard-being-michael-jackson-s-son.html

HitFix article regarding nomination for Grammy with Salaam Remi Feat. Akon Video http://www.hitfix.com/immaculate-noise/salaam-remi-talks-grammy-nominated-one-in-the-chamber-nas-and-jennifer-hudson

Examiner Interview piece with Robby Starbuck found online http://www.examine.com/article/interview-robby-starbuck R Removed because of url block

Director for these films listed on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2017590/

IFC Channel article on Billy Corgan that touches on Robby Starbuck's work http://www.ifc.com/2011/07/billy-corgan-and-the-fools-journey-part-1

Film produced by Robby Starbuck "Every Word is Handwritten" was in Tribeca Cinema's film festival in New York http://bigapple.festivalgenius.com/2013/films/everywordhandwritten_bigapple2013_bigapple2013

I searched online and found that Robby Starbuck YouTube page has nearly 100 million views and 100,000 subscribers. See YouTube page for reference to his following: https://www.youtube.com/user/RobbyStarbuck

From the previous citations on the deleted page page his work for Smashing Pumpkins, Akon, Eve, Sarah Bareilles, Megadeth, Snoop Dogg, Shiny Toy Guns and Metric is notable by community standards. He has been nominated for the best video music video award at the MMVA's on Much Music in Canada, Best Rock video & Best Video with a message at the MTV VMA's as well.

Also found Wikipedia pages referencing Robby Starbuck

The Smashing Pumpkins discography ‎ (links | edit) Dance Gavin Dance ‎ (links | edit) User talk:Sartrehush ‎ (links | edit) A Shipwreck in the Sand ‎ (links | edit) Jeffree Star discography ‎ (links | edit) Teargarden by Kaleidyscope ‎ (links | edit) August Burns Red discography ‎ (links | edit) Sara Bareilles discography ‎ (links | edit) Escape the Fate discography ‎ (links | edit) Owata ‎ (links | edit) A Skylit Drive discography ‎ (links | edit) Music video director ‎ (links | edit) Starbuck (surname) ‎ (links | edit) Detox Icunt ‎ (links | edit) User:TheEamonLanceley/sandbox ‎ (links | edit) Asking Alexandria discography ‎ (links | edit) User:Zacharyupikekennedy ‎ (links | edit)

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Statistics

You were after some (user?) statistics a six-month or so back. Can you remind me what they were? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:40, 6 May 2016 (UTC).

Not sure what I was after but my top stats would be count of 250x, 500x, and 1000x editors for each month and a monthly list of top editors by count. — Tim /// Carrite (talk) 23:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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Superdelegate

Hey, thanks for all of the work you put in today. Nice job. Dbrodbeck (talk) 00:05, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice words. Carrite (talk) 13:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

clarification request

I'm seriously not getting what you mean concur with the premise. BLP was intended to be about BIOGRAPHIES OF LIVING PEOPLE, making sure that mainspace is clear of libelous and POV attacks. This implies that the associated talk pages may not be used as an adjunct for such attacks. There are many who have an overbroad interpretation of the principle. -- (indentation and pronouns often confuse me) -- are you for or against mocking politicians outside of article space (on wiki)? NE Ent 20:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Depends on the situation, I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer to that. If I want to call Donald Trump a "serial liar" or Rody Duterte a "misogynist scum" on my user page or at Jimbotalk, I don't see any logical reason that BLP should apply. It shouldn't and it doesn't. If I go doing that in mainspace or on a talk page, there is a problem with that. Signpost is an official WP publication and it shouldn't be going there. Off-Wiki, say at Wikipediocracy, anything should go without noise about "harassment" seeping back on-Wiki... Carrite (talk) 21:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Well the logical reason would be that WP:BLP says it would apply everywhere, but if that were universally accepted we wouldn't be having an arbcom case, now would we? Okay, I think my confusion stems from some ambiguity in how adjunct can be used, thanks for the clarification. NE Ent 21:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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It was a great text. Are you planning to finish it? - üser:Altenmann >t 23:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I just got Hughes' book and hope to do that in the next couple weeks. Thanks for the nice words. —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

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It's only about bad words, right? Calling people broken clocks isn't uncivil, that's just a polite way of telling something they're stupid - you know, because there are no bad words. That makes it civil...to call someone stupid.--v/r - TP 00:57, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

It's not an intelligence thing, it's an edit-warrior thing, an obsessive-compulsive thing, and a kissing the booty of demigods thing... Of course, trolls be trollin' and this sort of feeding behavior makes it all the sweeter for them, I suppose. Carrite (talk) 01:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

You're right, the level of brown-nosing would make an Arabian Sultan envious.--v/r - TP 02:52, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Carrite. I have followed and studied your work with quite some interest. First of all thanks for your wonderful contributions to Wikipedia. They are impressive. Second, if you have some free time and if you think you might be interested, I wanted to request you to review an article I have put up as an FA candidate. Your views will be valuable. Thank you for the time and thanks again for your contributions too. Xender Lourdes (talk) 06:59, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Hullo Xender Lourdes. I don't participate in the FA process because I don't like the way it homogenizes articles (every editor has their own style of construction and footnoting and so forth and it tends to make everything grossly uniform). If the FA process were an ice cream making machine, it would churn out nothing but really disgusting artificially flavored pistachio ice cream. I do think a cricket expert is needed if you are really seeking ultimate input. If I were to make a suggestion, it would be to compress the double footnotes [21][22] into single footnotes, either by dropping mention of the repetitive, second best source, or by using the phrase, [21] "See, for example, SOURCE NUMBER ONE and SOURCE NUMBER TWO." This, I admit, is personal preference and your mileage may vary, but "footnote stacking" [21][22][23][24][25] is typically a sign of tendentious editing, an attempt to "prove" things as true or notable when often they are not. The rule of "one fact — one footnote (use your best footnote)" has served me well.

The possible exception to this would be if you have two facts from two different sources in a single sentence. In these cases, I myself split up the sentence with a footnote right behind the first fact and then use the second footnote at the end: "George Washington had wooden teeth that were painted green,[21] and which smelled, in the words of one contemporary, "somewhat akin to burning dung."[22]

Again, personal preference, your mileage may vary. Keep up the good work! Carrite (talk) 14:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Carrite thank you so much. Your effort above has given me a new lesson, which combines the behavioural aspects of how references may be perceived as well as the editor's personal orientation. Thank you again. I will come back if I need some other suggestion. Xender Lourdes (talk) 15:32, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Red Terror

Red link caused by your edit. I don't know how to correct.Xx236 (talk) 08:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Xx236 - Fixed, presumably. The problem, which I don't think I caused, was that somebody used the same [ref name=BLAHBLAHBLAH> tag twice. The second time it has to be in short form, ending in one space and a backslash and the close triangular bracket /> .......... Like this: [ref name=BLAHBLAHBLAH /> ...... with no footnote information behind it. The opening square brackets in this example should be triangular, of course. Happy editing! Carrite (talk) 13:48, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Vera Popova

Hi! I'm always happy to help. :) Vera Popova is listed in the Biographical Dictionary as Vera Evstaf'evna Bogdanovskaia, her biography is on p. 153 of my edition. The author is listed as Anne C. Hughes. Let me know if you need the full text of her biography or anything else from that book - I do indeed have a physical copy on my shelf and am happy to scan any pages you need. Best of luck with the article! Keilana (talk) 19:02, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Whoa, fascinating! Best of luck! Keilana (talk) 19:13, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Non-encyclopedic, etc...

Per this, have you any interest in actually challenging the GNG standards for this genre to fit the GNG standard? It's definitely not a swamp to wade into solo, but I think it is a topic well worth discussion, particularly when where we have situations like [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women/Article_alerts this one], wherein far too many articles get AfD tagged for, basically, issues of systemic bias in outside coverage. Seems that those folks are being held to a far more stringent standard than needed, while the first group, as you have noted, is held to a far too lenient one ... at the very least, consistency would be good. Montanabw^(talk) 18:00, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's worth the trouble, it seems that about 85%+ of the stuff like this run through AfD gets chopped as it is. The PORNBIO standard is stupid, mind you. I reckon if I was going to get embroiled with a Notability change the first thing I'd do would be to get the consensus on schools articles written up as policy. Carrite (talk) 06:14, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

The GNG guidelines are all over the place. So frustrating to try and explain that, for example, a Native American artist or writer is significant with multiple published works that are well-reviewed, if in somewhat obscure places, while a pornstar gets an article for... nothing. Montanabw^(talk) 03:24, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

It is extremely annoying, for sure. The GNG for journalists is similarly difficult to meet before they die. Do you suppose total elimination of the PORNBIO low bar is the way to proceed? Would there be an appetite for deletion of scores or hundreds of articles in the aftermath? The process for making changes is convoluted... Like I say, an ostensibly less controversial change to the SCHOOLS rules would be a higher priority to me and might be a good test of the process. Carrite (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

I would LOVE to get rid of PORNBIO, let NACTOR cover it. I'll look at WP:NSCHOOLS, what are your ideas there? Montanabw^(talk) 22:52, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

That makes best sense. As for schools, a statement that secondary (and higher) schools of confirmed existence are notable is what needs to be put into the books. It has been the governing precedent at AfD for years but it is only justified by WP:OUTCOMES, which isn't a guideline or policy. Carrite (talk) 01:18, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

• Excuse me for jumping in here, but GNG is not a guideline, it is a sub-guideline of WP:N.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:54, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Please, Unscintillating, help us at AfD, wherein a one-sentence WPABCEDFG statement is taken as gospel with "outcomes" shoved off as "consensus." I've never seen more stupid and inconsistent arguments in my life, and yet, one's percentage of "hits" is deemed to be an important qualifier at RfA. There are no rules there, other than those apparently decided by AfD regulars. The systemic bias problem is stunning where a porn star can have an article kept, while a TED Fellow and an woman in an Islamic nation who is a University Department Chair of a major university is deemed "not notable." (**headesk**) Montanabw^(talk) 03:31, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
    • I agree that an extraction of text from WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES could or should be elevated to WP:NSCHOOLS, such as "Independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools are presumed to be worthy of notice."  Unscintillating (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
    • As for PORNBIO, I think you are pushing on the wrong levers of policy.  (1) WP:Notability is merely a guideline.  Who cares if a topic is notable if we can't reliably source the model's name and age?  The threshold for inclusion on Wikipedia is verifiability.  I wish we could encourage modeling agencies to hire reputable news agencies such as Bloomberg to write biographies for their famous models.  (2) Anyway, perhaps what you want to look at is some kind of an extension of WP:NOT.  Unscintillating (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
      • What is driving me crazy isn't so much that too many "models" are included,like this one it's that people who have accomplished far more in their lives are being AfD'd and this problem of a ridiculous number of AfDs such as this one and especially this one.

• As for drive-by !votes at AfD, things seem to be getting worse, not better.  Take a look at this request, where the admin has not responded to a request to discuss the strength of three drive-by !votes.  An AfD whose nomination surprised me today was on the list you posted here.  This nomination dropped even the pretense of preparing the AfD community for a discussion.  Unscintillating (talk) 06:58, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

• It's a cesspit of ignorance and ridiculous reasoning. I get so frustrated over there that I'm often not at my best. Montanabw^(talk) 19:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm actually super-positive about the process — it is one of the things about WP that works really well. The problem is that way back when the Porn hobbists got a very low bar installed for porn stars, which is particularly galling when one considers the far too high barriers that articles about journalists and academics, for example, must navigate. It's a question of incorrect inclusion parameters, not the debate process itself... Carrite (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

The parameters are definitely a HUGE part of the problem, and so is the "common law" of the "Outcomes" lists that seem to have morphed out of the woodwork. I didn't mean to start an RfC quite yet, but someone else did, only poorly, so I dove in and opened up the (inevitable) shitstorm). Feel free to pop over there: Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Adding_ways_to_assess_Systemic_Bias_to_WP:N. Montanabw^(talk) 06:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Ha

Forget the !votes and the arguments, I loved the quality of your humorous sarcasm here :D :D Pardon me if I have mistepped on this, but really laughed for some time when I saw the absolutely sparkling timing of it. Lourdes 17:13, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

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News flash

I can put whatever comments I damn well please in bold, thank you very much. You cannot remove the BOLD, no matter how much you dislike it. Frankly, you should be blocked for refactoring other people's comments. Besides, the other comment that's in bold also says "says nom" in bold, so it's damn clear it's a nom comment. pbp 14:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Fuck off. Carrite (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)