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::I think that's what the investigation's for. She can be targeted without it being an assassination. At this point, it's all too preliminary. We would be, so to speak, jumping the gun. Especially since two of the cited officials are anonymous, and Rio is not a safe city. Better to call it a shooting now and an assassination later, than to call it an assassination now and have to backtrack later, possibly in an embarrassing and public manner.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::I think that's what the investigation's for. She can be targeted without it being an assassination. At this point, it's all too preliminary. We would be, so to speak, jumping the gun. Especially since two of the cited officials are anonymous, and Rio is not a safe city. Better to call it a shooting now and an assassination later, than to call it an assassination now and have to backtrack later, possibly in an embarrassing and public manner.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 01:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::: It is an assassination. That is ridiculous. Everyone is calling it an assassination and the investigation is beginning with that because of the crime scene and the background of her story. Wikipedia is doing a huge disservice by not calling it what it is. She was shot from behind, in a tinted car where you couldn't even see her from outside, and the shots were fired directly at her, and her driver was killed due to the way the shots were fired, i.e. not with real intent, as the shots were all towards her direction and in front of that direction was the driver. Please call this an assassination as this is what it is. I cannot believe this. She was a very public figure who was going against the political establishment and raising attention to police violence. How slow English Wikipedia was to respond to this in the beginning, and how slower yet to actually call this what it is. An example of how shallow this place can be when it doesn't concern the American-English-etc-western world. [[User:Petrichor|Petrichor]] ([[User talk:Petrichor|talk]]) 01:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
::: It is an assassination. That is ridiculous. Everyone is calling it an assassination and the investigation is beginning with that because of the crime scene and the background of her story. Wikipedia is doing a huge disservice by not calling it what it is. She was shot from behind, in a tinted car where you couldn't even see her from outside, and the shots were fired directly at her, and her driver was killed due to the way the shots were fired, i.e. not with real intent, as the shots were all towards her direction and in front of that direction was the driver. Please call this an assassination as this is what it is. I cannot believe this. She was a very public figure who was going against the political establishment and raising attention to police violence. How slow English Wikipedia was to respond to this in the beginning, and how slower yet to actually call this what it is. An example of how shallow this place can be when it doesn't concern the American-English-etc-western world. [[User:Petrichor|Petrichor]] ([[User talk:Petrichor|talk]]) 01:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

::: Also, why should you override the vast consensus of all media reports? We're not supposed to do original research, which is what you're attempting here. Show me sources that are doubting that this is an assassination? I don't think they exist, and I don't think that's being debated. I'm only speaking from what the secondary sources are providing us and you're saying we should ignore it.
::: Also, why should you override the vast consensus of all media reports? We're not supposed to do original research, which is what you're attempting here. Show me sources that are doubting that this is an assassination? I don't think they exist, and I don't think that's being debated. I'm only speaking from what the secondary sources are providing us and you're saying we should ignore it. [[User:Petrichor|Petrichor]] ([[User talk:Petrichor|talk]]) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


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I would like to suggest that you include ALL "Bay Area" Counties when considering the total population for the San Francisco Bay Area in the Metropolitan Statistical Area of US Cities. Currently, you have "San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area" separate from "San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area". These two metros make-up the total populated geographic area defined as the "Bay Area". The link detailing the San Jose–San Francisco–Oakland, CA Combined Statistical Area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose%E2%80%93San_Francisco%E2%80%93Oakland,_CA_Combined_Statistical_Area) should be used when considering the population that is reported on the page: List of metropolitan statistical areas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas).

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.87.35.114 (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find anything about the Bay Area on the Main Page. When the comment was posted above, the Featured Article was about a movie (now it's about a geologist). Art LaPella (talk) 00:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Marielle Franco

"Brazilian politician and human rights activist Marielle Franco is killed in a shooting in Rio de Janeiro." This should read, "is assassinated in Rio de Janeiro." "Killed in a shooting" makes it sound like this was random. All of the sources point to it not being random and that it was an assassination, see: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/16/marielle-franco-assassination-brazil-police-brutality/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/15/marielle-franco-shot-dead-targeted-killing-rio "Rio's Public Security Secretary Richard Nunes said in a statement there will be "full investigation on the assassination" of council member Marielle Franco and her driver."[1]Petrichor (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's what the investigation's for. She can be targeted without it being an assassination. At this point, it's all too preliminary. We would be, so to speak, jumping the gun. Especially since two of the cited officials are anonymous, and Rio is not a safe city. Better to call it a shooting now and an assassination later, than to call it an assassination now and have to backtrack later, possibly in an embarrassing and public manner.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is an assassination. That is ridiculous. Everyone is calling it an assassination and the investigation is beginning with that because of the crime scene and the background of her story. Wikipedia is doing a huge disservice by not calling it what it is. She was shot from behind, in a tinted car where you couldn't even see her from outside, and the shots were fired directly at her, and her driver was killed due to the way the shots were fired, i.e. not with real intent, as the shots were all towards her direction and in front of that direction was the driver. Please call this an assassination as this is what it is. I cannot believe this. She was a very public figure who was going against the political establishment and raising attention to police violence. How slow English Wikipedia was to respond to this in the beginning, and how slower yet to actually call this what it is. An example of how shallow this place can be when it doesn't concern the American-English-etc-western world. Petrichor (talk) 01:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also, why should you override the vast consensus of all media reports? We're not supposed to do original research, which is what you're attempting here. Show me sources that are doubting that this is an assassination? I don't think they exist, and I don't think that's being debated. I'm only speaking from what the secondary sources are providing us and you're saying we should ignore it. Petrichor (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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"... that in 1998, Dottie Lamm, former First Lady of Colorado, ran for a US Senate seat against the same man who had defeated her husband in the Democratic primary for the same seat six years earlier?" Neither "same" is actually needed and having both in the sentence is clunky. I suggest: "... that in 1998, Dottie Lamm, former First Lady of Colorado, ran for a US Senate seat against the man who had defeated her husband in the Democratic primary for that seat six years earlier?" --Khajidha (talk) 15:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Really, the whole thing should have been restored to the TFL selected by the TFL director, rather than patch up what was rushed through. Perhaps edit protection needs to be extended by a few days to prevent this kind of thing from happening. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:31, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well given that talk page gets an average of fewer than three hits a day, and given the message didn't actually state that the whole blurb had been completely changed, it's no wonder we're where we are. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can an admin please change the list back to the one I had originally picked? I've been busy with work in real life and haven't been as active as usual, so I didn't notice that somebody decided to unilaterally change the TFL. I obviously haven't checked the other page for quality, and don't want this to be that list's only crack at TFL under these circumstances. Giants2008 (Talk) 12:35, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restored the previously chosen TFL. Someone needs to guide this editor away from such behavior. Meanwhile, please change the current TFL back to the one I originally picked, as I requested earlier. I haven't reviewed the NBA MVP list in detail and can't vouch for it, and the blurb wasn't in great shape when it was written. Giants2008 (Talk) 16:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That editor appears[2] to be here only to mess around with pages revolving around the main page. The appropriate thing to do would be to give them a final warning, and an instruction to stay out of wikipedia space until they can demonstrate competence, and a "HERE" attitude. Mr rnddude (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Trying not to be too WP:BITEy. howcheng {chat} 22:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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