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Hi! Post here again because topic went to archive. I havent got an email yet. --Base^talk ^сontr. 19:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I will send it soon. Been a bit busy with the home life.--v/r - T P 02:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring my comments

I thought it was an edit conflict (I believe that was the message I got when I hit "Save page") and clicked to move out of the editing window before I copied the post and thought it was gone forever. Don't know how you did it but thanks!--Amadscientist (talk) 02:20, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Lol, it was in the edit history ;)--v/r - T P 02:22, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, thanks for noticing it. I just gave up too quickly I guess.--Amadscientist (talk) 02:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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Rs chen 7754 16:16, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Since you thought it was done...

I just want to be sure you see the additional msg. I've left you on my talk page. LadyofShalott 20:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:HARASSMENT and WP:BAITING

Stop. The only reason why I keep coming back here to deal with your bullshit is because you and your friends keep insisting on posting to my talkpage, resulting in an e-mail notification turning up in my inbox and reminding me that this fucktardery is still flapping in the wind. All of the other loose ends have been tied off except for your crazy obsession. In regards to the last ANI thread, and your subsequent posts to the closer's talkpage, do you not see any hypocrisy in complaining about a close to a thread about me complaining about a close? Or your posts elsewhere about how you're a forgiving and reasonable person and yet you continue to hound a user who has, for all intents and purposes, walked away from the fight? You have completely lost perspective.

So here's the deal: stop trying to bait me into objecting too strongly to your fucktardery and I won't need to come back. Deal? Leave me a talkback if you desperately want me to unretire. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 08:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Really? You're going to lecture me on hypocrisy? Apparently you spend too much time around those kids because your throwing quite the tantrum. You came back yesterday, un-'baited', and continued to harass the closer and participants. You did that on your own - and I simply reported it. The difference between closes is that my request was supported by 100% of the participants. Yours held less than 33% (32% and change). How about you just do yourself a favor and leave for good. Every time you come back and harass Epeefleche and those who supported him, I'm going to be on top of it. That's the real baiting right there: the crap you spam around Wikipedia trying to get attention. What a joke you are. It's been my highest pleasure, but go away now.--v/r - T P 13:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Bush Derangement Syndrome for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Bush Derangement Syndrome is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bush Derangement Syndrome (6th nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Yworo (talk) 18:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Why the counter works for English but not for Romanian Wikipedia?

Sorry, do you know why the counter doesn't work for Romanian language?

http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=Ark25&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia - this one works
http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=Ark25&lang=ro&wiki=wikipedia - this one doesn't work

Thanks. — Ark25 (talk) 19:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Λάμπης ΑΣΠΑΙΤΕ

Όνομα: Λάμπης Καταγωγή: Μιλάνο, Ιταλία Ο Λάμπης γεννήθηκε το 1993 σε μια γωνιά της δοξασμένης Νέας Ιόρκης της Αμερικής, όπου και έζησε τους 3 πρώτους μήνες της ζωής του. Μισός Ιταλός μισός Έλληνας, γνωρίζει ελάχιστα την ιταλική γλώσσα, καθώς στο σπίτι μιλούσαν μόνο την ελληνική! Παρ όλα αυτά, η ιταλική φινέτσα και το γούστο του στα ρούχα είναι αυτά που τον χαρακτηρίζουν. Μάλιστα γνωρίζει προσωπικά τον Τζιόρτζιο Αρμάνι, με τον οποίο έχουν αναπτύξει φιλικές σχέσεις. Είναι από τους λίγους εκλεκτούς που έχουν μπει στο ατελιέ του Αρμάνι, όπου ρούχα σχεδιάστηκαν ειδικά και μόνο γι αυτόν. Μεγάλωσε και έζησε στο Κολωνάκι. Αυτό αποτέλεσε μεγάλο ατού στην δημιουργία μιας πολύπλευρης και βαθυστόχαστης προσωπικότητας που αναπτύσσεται διαρκώς και αναδεικνύει την ομορφιά και την ζωηρότητα του εσωτερικού κόσμου και της πραγματικά μαγευτικής ανθρώπινης ψυχής. Μεγάλη του αγάπη αποτέλεσε και η ηλεκτρολογία. Γι αυτό επέλεξε να σπουδάσει στην ΑΣΠΑΙΤΕ όπου και έγινε διάσημος ως Λάμπης ΑΣΠΑΙΤΕ. <<Είναι τιμή να τον έχουμε κοντά μας.Είναι και γαμώ.>> Αυτά είναι τα λόγια του προέδρου της σχολής κ. Χρυσουλάκη. <<Χύνω και μόνο που τον βλέπω>> τόνισε ο προΐστάμενος του τμήματος ηλεκτρολογίας κ. Χατζαράκης. <<Είναι εκχαίχιος αλλά να είχαμε μια προβαχίνα τώχα χα ήταν άλλο πχάμα!>> είπε με μελαγχολικό ύφος ο θαυμαστής και καθηγητής του κ. Σιδέρης. Δούλευε ως barman σε μεγάλα μαγαζιά όπως ο κουρέας, το πιο ιν μαγαζί σε όλη την Ελλάδα.Αν μια φράση είναι αυτή που τον χαρακτηρίζει τότε αυτή είναι "να την γαμήσω; να την βιάσω ή να την αφήσω να την βρει από κανάν άλλον;" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.58.150.168 (talk) 15:48, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

In case KC is away

Hi Tom. I raised this[1] with KC earlier but she may be away. The issue has now been brought to Wikipedia:Ani#Men.27s_rights_movement_.28again.29 ANI. It's directly related to that edit war at Men's rights movement. I notified CSDarrow of the porbation months ago. He should be weel away of it and of the basic behaviour requirements of this site already--Cailil ^talk 16:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Drmies got to it. I was unaware of the ANI thread when I put the warning on the article talk page. Either way, it's worked out now.--v/r - T P 17:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Apologies

In case I didn't make it clear, I apologize for singling you out at block policy. My intention was not to impinge on your motives, but point out that it was the block of a vested contributor that brought this whole issue to light, as it were. I too believe in administrative accountability and oversight (not in a technical sense). It was inappropriate to single you and Hex out when there are many more editors (including myself) that got involved because the user that was blocked was vested as it were. Regards, Crazynas^t 03:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Just so that you know

here is the latest posting at Men's Rights Movement from those types that you thought I was being mean to. " We have forgotten that before we called this date rape and date fraud, we called it exciting.” [71]. Of course they have learned that if it has a footnote it is okay. I know that you acted in good faith, ut I wanted you to see what crap they come up with. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm not here to dictate content. To remain impartial, I am only going to comment on behavioral issues. The sentence you've mentioned has been edited out by WLU through proper editing. Administrators don't hold any additional authority over content except to enforce WP:BLP. Also, if I were to get involved in any content, then I would no longer be unbiased/uninvolved. Keep up the hard work, don't let other editors get under your skin.--v/r - T P 12:50, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your level headedness. Actually I have no problem with this content, feeling that it expresses particular editor perspectives on these issues much better than any page of academic jargon. Being the father of girls I take this sort of stuff hard. In any case I am retiring from MRM for a bit - wander off into some area of wikipedia that is easier . . ... on everyone. Carptrash (talk) 15:16, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but he called me a "GIRL!" (if that is what this is about) and the "click" is my watchpage going off. Carptrash (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

About the "Shirt RfA Closure" or non-closure

Hi TP, and thanks for your message. My apologies if I've caused a fuss, which is what I explicitly promised not to do if sysop-d. Whatever went on with the timing and transclusion and so on, I think the person that should ultimately held responsible for this unnecessary hoo-hah should be no-one else but me. --Shirt58 (talk) 10:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It's not a big deal, I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware so there was no confusion on why I changed the date.--v/r - T P 12:46, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

John Bedini

Need info on John Bedini. It seems wikipedia used to have some info on JB?

Can I access this info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.31.130 (talk) 12:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes. If you register an account with an email address, I'll send you the contents of the deleted page.--v/r - T P 13:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

X!'s Edit Counter needs double-escaped username

I had known something error had happened when I had entered a username which had had multi-byte characters. When I watched w:ja:Wikipedia:権限申請/巻き戻し者/みちまん/20130125, I recognized double-urlencoded usernames are needed. This may well be caused by $name = urldecode($name); in /home/tparis/public_html/pcount/index.php. Please fix this bug. Thanks. --Burthsceh (talk) 06:50, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI

I fixed (and then ate) your pie on WP:AN. When you didn't substitute the template, it kept picking up the name of the editor who did the last revision. So when I got to your pie, it said "Thumperward has given you a fresh pie!" and your signature on the comment. Mildly confusing, but yummy pie... =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Heh, silly me. Thanks ;) --v/r - T P 17:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Continued edit warring

Hi TParis, a few days ago Yhwhsks (talk · contribs) added new information which had considerable WP:SYNTH and WP:UNDUE issues and was subsequently removed by three editors [2][3][4]. There seems to a consensus on the article talk page that the information should not be included, see Talk:Men's rights movement#Inappropriate edit warring and Talk:Men's rights movement#The paragraph re: Fiamengo talk. Yhwhsks is currently blocked for edit warring. Today, Memills (talk · contribs) reinserted the disputed content. Memills knows that the article is on article probation, he was topic banned from the men's rights movement article and then blocked for violating the terms of his topic ban. This is yet another violation of the terms of the article probation.

Btw, I left the same note for KC. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 19:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

KC's response. If you want to comment we should probably take the discussion to KC's talk page in order to keep it all in one place. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 19:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	It isn't every day someone creates an AN thread that it is enjoyable to be a part of. Well done! Automatic Strikeout (T • C) 21:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

New user query

Tom, is there a way to get a query of new registered accounts between specified dates? Specifically a query I can run, or do I have to go through you or a tool? (Not implying you are a tool) little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 23:38, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I can run a query for you, and there is a toolserver query service as well, but otherwise a tool would need to be created. Have you tried the log though? It should allow you to specify dates. The API might even give you want you want.--v/r - T P 23:54, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

API? I didn't realize one existed. Are there web services and the such that will return XML sets? little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 02:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it can return several different formats including XML.--v/r - T P 12:48, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

bad edit on my part

thanks for your help re north west tasmania - cheers sats 14:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Waterstone Mortgage Corporation

Hi, I'm a new user and found that my page was deleted according to A7. My question is why was my post not significant? The company I attempted to list has a large significance to the state of WI in relation to anyone interested in finance & real estate. Is there some advice you can give me for this so that I can create better posts that don't get deleted? I appreciate your time and service. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ry10coo (talk • contribs) 18:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Peachy

Do you have plans to run a PHP bot?—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 23:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Besides TPBot?--v/r - T P 00:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Any bot.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 01:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

No immediate plans, but I may.--v/r - T P 01:28, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Would you be willing to trial run Peachy 2?—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 01:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look over at Bot requests and see if there is anything that interests me.--v/r - T P 13:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Download Peachy 2 alpha here.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 13:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh and be careful with the import function. I accidentally blew up the test wikipedia's servers when I ran it. ;)—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 13:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

HAHA!!!--v/r - T P 13:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Request for unblocking of my account

I am Anunad Singh from Hindi wikipedia. My account was blocked yesterday and I am not able to edit even my talk pages. I do not know what to do in this condition to appeal for unblocking. I found the English wiki page for it and appealed there.

But the box there did NOT accept my user name which is in Hindi alphabets. So I entered it by transliterating it as 'Anunad' . I received your email that you are not finding an account named 'Anunad'.

So, let me clarify that my account is on Hindi wiki with the name अनुनाद सिंह. Please help. Thanking you..
-- Anunad Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.240.114.131 (talk) 03:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the English Wikipedia has no ability to help you with an unblock on the Hindi Wikipedia. You'll have to search for their process there. Sorry.--v/r - T P 13:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Requests for permissions: Rollback

Would you please review my request at WP:RFP/R? I submitted my request on 19 March and still there is no response from admins. Please check it. Thanks. Zheek (talk) 16:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Regards. Zheek (talk) 17:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	For your good humor on request for bureacratship. T4B (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Warning

Since it doesn't rise to the level of disruption as a faulty use of your vs. you're, the committee of the sooper sekrit typo patrol has decided to only issue a warning here; especially since it is such a common mistake. (vs. commonS. :)) — Ched : ? 00:18, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Facepalm PLEEEASSSEEE don't ban me...I'll never do it again, I promise!--v/r - T P 00:23, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

IQBAL SINGH

Sardar Iqbal SIngh was a Member of Paliament in India. He contested for Indian National Congress from the Lokh Sabha Ferozepur constituency in Punjab. Iqbal Singh won the Lokh Sabha seat 4 times, first in 1954, then in 1957 , again in 1962 and lastly in 1967. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guneev (talk • contribs) 14:57, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds notable, but I can't find enough sources to create an article about him at the moment. Perhaps you know of independent reliable sources where he has been discussed? I have presumed that the Sardar Iqbal Singh who died in Dasna jail is a different person. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

A question about a block

you blocked me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY!?!?!?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.182.206 (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't show a block for that IP, which account are you referring to? Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:03, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013

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YGM

Hello, TParis. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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New user in need of assistance...

Hi TParis, this is The Wikimon and I have a query... What does that Replication Tag on my Edit Counter mean??? And kudos for an awesome and supremely inspirational User Page!!!! I'm gonna learn to make a good one from you and probably beat yours (just kidding)!!! The Wikimon (talk) 12:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The replication tag isn't about you in particular. The database that the tool uses to generate the stats is a copy of the Wikipedia database. So the replication lag is the time it takes between live edits and the time those edits gets duplicated in the copy.--v/r - T P 14:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!! I read this when I clicked on the link and frankly it went through one ear and out the other, but you managed to send it straight in... Thanks once again!!! The Wikimon (talk) 14:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I see your point

Those are some pretty vicious attacks attacks that you've pointed out. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 01:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Trust me, I can get passionate about some topics too, I understand. But it is what it is.--v/r - T P 01:29, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

And we are who we are. I have no problem with your decision. I have a long lifetime of being disciplined behind me and probably many more ahead. I don't not envy you in your role. Carptrash (talk) 02:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, I think you'd and I get along if we met at a bar.--v/r - T P 02:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure, as long as you were buying. Carptrash (talk) 02:19, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Topic ban

Hi TParis, you issued a topic ban against User:Carptrash for his remarks about redlinked editors but you did not do anything about Memills' characterization of editors as an "anti-MRM patrol duty contingent" or CSDarrow's remark (more like personal attack) that encyclopedic balance eluded me. Memills and CSDarrow were sanctioned for precisely this kind of behavior and I'll admit that I do not understand your decision to sanction Carptrash and not sanction Memills and CSDarrow for what I consider more long-standing and obvious violations of the terms of the article probation. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 01:38, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I warned Memills quite sternly, if you look under the hat. As far as CSDarrow, I saw the remark, but I haven't had time to look at what he was blocked for before yet because I was sending out article probation notifications (check my log) and then hatting comments. I only have two hands.--v/r - T P 01:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

CSDarrow was blocked for edit warring on 11 March after being previously warned in September of 2012. It's strange that you could miss that since you've been so active on the notification page as of late. And, you recently logged a notification of my name simply for asking CSDarrow to stop attacking other users. I am neither active on that page nor do I edit that topic, so I find your oversight odd and notification bewildering, to say the least. That is to say, how you could miss the two biggest offenders in that thread yet choose to put an uninvolved editor like myself "on notice" makes no sense in this thing we call "reality". Viriditas (talk) 01:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Youth & Truth, don't argue for me. I can take it like a man. Which is more (opinion) than these other types can do. Carptrash (talk) 01:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I've been indiscriminate in the notifications (except for IPs because I just don't have the energy to keep up) as a matter of procedure. I'm not putting you 'on notice,' it's for informational purposes only. You're more than welcome to remove the notification from your talk page. You've done nothing wrong that I've seen. I was aware CSDarrow got blocked but I wasn't involved in the block enough to know what was going on when reviewing the his recent edits. I'm formulating a warning to him now. Is there anything else I can do for either of you? I've had a lot of catching up to do since I haven't been around for days (at least no more than checking my talk page).--v/r - T P 01:53, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Memills was warned quite sternly multiple times, he was sanctioned twice (unlike Carptrash), yet he writes things like "anti-MRM patrol duty contingent". You'll admit that this is quite different from silly remarks about redlinked users. The other thing is that CSDarrow calls me "ignorant peasant" and gets blocked for three days and then continues in the same vein saying that balance eludes me without sanctions while Carptrash, a productive editor, gets topic banned for one month, the most severe sanction do date (if you don't count Cybermud's second topic ban). --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I've no control over what other administrators do. It's called discretion for a reason. I consider site-wide blocks more severe than a topic ban and several editors have been blocked.--v/r - T P 02:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You have no control over your decision to issue a one month topic ban for redlink jokes but ignore this and this by editors who were blocked for similar behavior, more than once? --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I've adequately explained myself per WP:ADMINACCT. Thanks for the comments, as always I appreciate the feedback.--v/r - T P 02:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I find Sonicyouth86's lobbying for the suspension of other editors unseemly and unprofessional. Wikipedia is not a grade school. CSDarrow (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't think for one iota that Sonicyouth86 or Viriditas had anything to do with it. If anything, they slowed down an action I was already in the process of chewing over. I suggest you take the warning seriously.--v/r - T P 13:18, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

"unprofessional?" And just who are the professionals here? Carptrash (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Danjel's back (yay!)

Just when we thought we were rid of him, he shows up at an ANI thread and accuses me of OWNership. I thought we were rid of this guy; at the very least, I thought he wasn't supposed to pop up and make random accusations of me, you, or Epeefleche p b p 06:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Funny, his comment says that "Someone pointed to this discussion and suggested that I give my two cents." I don't see a message on his talk page which means that he's now guilty of the off-Wiki canvassing that he accused others of. This guy is a joke and ANI is well aware of it. Just ignore him. On the subject of WP:V, I'm going to watchlist it and make sure he can't push a silent agenda that has been repeatedly opposed. And since I know Danjel is watching my talk page, let's just wait here for snarky response that completely avoids any acceptance of any sort of responsibility for his actions. I mean, it's clear that Danjel only cares about the minority opinions when it's his.--v/r - T P 13:28, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

edit counter

I seem to have encountered an error, as the edit counter says I don't exist... which obviously I do... -- Aunva6^{talk - contribs} 15:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You think you exist, but the edit counter knows all.--v/r - T P 16:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks like replication lag is high (1 days, 2 hours, 52 minutes, 31 seconds) and it seems that the server is going slower because of it. Likelihood is that the query to find you timed out and the null response was interpreted by the script to mean that it couldn't find you. Wait for rep lag to die and it should work.--v/r - T P 16:15, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

C A V Gopal Rao

A self motivated person. Born in October,02 1979 at Howrah. Completed Graduation from The Institute of Electronics and Telecommunication in the year 2009 from New Delhi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.234.14.161 (talk) 07:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit counter

Hey, when using the edit counter for Wikidata, can you change the colour of edits made to the "Translation" namespace? They're currently red, the same as for the main namespace. Thanks, Frigid Ninja 14:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, done.--v/r - T P 15:00, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Frigid Ninja 17:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but can you also define colours for the "Property" and "Property talk" namespaces? Frigid Ninja 17:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, Query, Module, and their associated talk namespaces. Frigid Ninja 17:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Heh I was just coming here to ask the same thing. Might I suggest #FF1493 for one of your colors?

Then again, you've got three shades of pink already, which makes me happy enough as it is. — PinkAmpers &^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 03:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GA bot

Sarcasm but pointy sarcasm

Just saw your edit summary after replying. Please redact or give context to your completely inappropriate comment. --Onorem ♠Dil 22:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If you click the link, you'll understand why your request is actually pretty ironic.--v/r - T P 12:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

"I'd hit it"

Hey, I just happened to notice your comment on ANI from yesterday, where you said "I saw a hot 17 yr old girl downtown the other day. I'd hit it." Now, I know you were being deliberately provocative to make a point, but can I ask that you reconsider using language like "I'd hit it" (or, for that matter, commenting on women's hotness) on-wiki? It's a very lad mag, objectifying sort of way to refer to people, especially in a conversation that's semi-related to sexual victimization. Even in service of making a sarcastic point, it still brings the "female types not welcome here, we're busy judging whether we'd 'hit' you or not" temperature of the place up a notch. I know that wasn't what you were going for, at all, so I wanted to draw your attention to how it can feel to a woman who reads it. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Fluffy, that's not the message I was trying to put out. I'll keep it in mind in the future. I definitely agree that making Wikipedia welcoming for female editors is a good thing.--v/r - T P 21:05, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Kudos

Just a note to say that I was impressed by your advice on AN/I to LGR re: Viriditas. Worth remembering, not just in the specific case, but generally as well. Well done. Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

removing links to contemporary pagan websites on "Roman polytheistic reconstructionism"

Hi there, I think you have done some nice things with this page but I am concerned that you seem to be trying to strip all links to websites about this topic - people who look up this page are naturally going to be interested in finding other websites on this topic and the only link you have left in is to Nova Roma - which is not the only website on this topic. I am in no way affiliated with the Cultus Deorum page, however I do think it is a good website which is why I included it under External Links. I really think it is very important, for the people who are interested practising contemporary Roman polytheism, that this entry include links to external websites on this topic.

So that you know - probably the best websites on the Religio Romana are: - https://sites.google.com/site/cultusdeorumromanorum/ - http://novaroma.org/nr/Cultus_deorum_Romanorum

Note that Nova Roma is an organisation that aims to recreate the structure of the Roman Republic, with the Religio Romana being part of this structure. Another organisation that aims to recreate the structure of the Roman state is the Res Publica Romana at respublica-romana.com. Note that many people who are on the path of the Roman way to the Gods are unaffiliated with either Nova Roma or the Res Publica Romana - worthy though these organisations are.

The best Religio Romana blogs, imo, are: - http://www.patheos.com/blogs/religioromana/ - http://romanpagan.blogspot.com/ - http://lases.blogspot.it/ - http://romanpolytheist.wordpress.com/ - http://goldentrail.wordpress.com/

Excellent free online translations of ancient Roman literature are available at: - http://www.naderlibrary.com/ (scroll down to classics) - http://poetryintranslation.com/index.html#Latin: - http://sacred-texts.com/cla/index.htm (scroll down to Roman)

For more resources on the Roman way to the Gods see: - https://sites.google.com/site/cultusdeorumromanorum/english/beginner-s-guides/beginners-guide-study - http://novaroma.org/nr/Reading_list_for_the_cultus_deorum - http://romanpagan.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/pagan-resources.html - http://religioandpietas.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/research-sources-for-cultus-deorum.html

I hope you will be considerate of the people who are genuinely on this path - and allow links to information about this path online to remain on wikipedia. Note again - I am not affiliated with Cultus Deorum.

Regards and best wishes, Ragnii — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragnii (talk • contribs) 02:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ragnii, I'd love for Wikipedia to be a resource for the folks on this path, but it's not. It's an encyclopedia. The policies on identifying reliable sources is very specific that blogs are not reliable sources and neither are self-published websites. A quote from the policy says, "Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable." That cuts out nearly everything on your list. The translation websites might be reliable but that would need a little more looking into. Adding the links to generate traffic, helping folks find these websites by using Wikipedia, is link spam and not acceptable. I'm sorry.--v/r - T P 13:55, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you've been adding these links all over Roman topics. You should remove them all or you may be blocked as a spammer. References need to be third party published reliable sources that go through an editorial review by a reputable organization. Even external links says to avoid "Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)"--v/r - T P 14:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Burnout

Given the past year, you have went through a lot. If you ever feel close to burnout, please let me know.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 18:12, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Bump. Methinks you missed this.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 02:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Nah, didn't miss it. I just don't want to answer the question right now. We can talk on IRC or email.--v/r - T P 16:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Breakfast

Hello, TParis. You are invited to join WikiProject Breakfast, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of breakfast-related topics. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000^(talk) 18:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Every other entry has external links why not this one?

Hi there,

I am the one who inserted EVERY SINGLE REFERENCE in this entry for Roman polytheistic reconstructionism - if you go through the edit history you will see that for yourself. I am not a spammer and my edit history speaks for itself. I am very concerned you are pushing a Christian agenda here ...

Regards, Ragnii — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragnii (talk • contribs) 21:59, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The book sources are great, I'm not challenging those. The personal websites are not, though, and the end result of this mess is going to be the removal of those links. You just simply are not following the right policies on this. That's not my problem and not my fault if you were not aware of what the policies were. I've linked them to you several times (WP:UGC and WP:ELNO) so it's just not my concern that you have an issue. If you want to keep working on these articles, I suggest letting those links go because they are going to result in your block.--v/r - T P 02:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.

This message is being sent to you let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding a content dispute discussion you may have participated in. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You do not need to participate however, you are invited to help find a resolution. The thread is "Roman reconstructionist pagan". Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! EarwigBot ^{operator / talk} 01:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I've closed this as unsuitable for two reasons (and just thought of a third):

The opener wanted a review of your conduct and threats (which were all good from what I saw)
The sources are extremely obviously not RS, and even then DRN isn't for RS, RSN is
Not a whole lot of discussion I could find that the OP took part in with an open mind, a requirement for a DRN case.

I'd support an AN(/I) posting if he continues btw, just my 2cents. So... I guess that's all I had to say. Sorry for the message and the statement you had to take the time to make :) gwickwire^talk_editing 02:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Help!

Hi TParis. I just need your help, because my Edit Counter says I don't exist. What do I do? The Wikimon (talk) 12:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

<Ched waves at Wikimon o/> (talk page stalker) .. Is this not accurate? — Ched : ? 16:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I have a bad habit of ignoring things I know will work themselves out. When The Wikimon used the script, there must have been a problem contacting the toolserver database. If the query times out, rather than returning a connect error or a no results error, it tends to incorrectly say that a user couldn't be found. The problem eventually worked itself out when the database response time became quicker and that's why it works for us now.--v/r - T P 16:56, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh .. ok. Yep, I get those "timed out" things often. I figure it's usually "teh Internetz" telling me "you don't need to know this right now". And to steal from your sig. ... v/r :) — Ched : ? 17:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

My mistake guys... Sorry... Sheepish look on my face! Wave back at Ched! The Wikimon (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Project for RfA nominators

Hi -- I notice you've been active in nominating at RfA over the past year, and would like to invite you to join the WikiProject for Nominators, which aims to support editors interested in nominating there. We'd be glad of your expertise in getting this new project off the ground. Apologies for the talk-page spamming if you've already seen this message a dozen times. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Somehow I ended up at this page (not the sort of place that I normally hang out in) and saw your name there and was intrigued by the concept of asking the admin who banned me (from only one article, for which I am grateful) to shepherd me through the process. However that fantasy passed quickly and I am returning to working on my, "Why I Am an Anarchist" manifesto. Life. What a place to live. EInar akaCarptrash (talk) 03:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Muséparc Vanier Museopark

Why did you delete this page? It is a museum in Ottawa, Ontario...absolutely notable! I haven't finished with it yet! It is featured in many other places on Wiki. Look up Vanier, Ontario. Is there a chance I could get a Canadian or Ontarian admin who can be in charge of this instead?! Herecomestheslaughter (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I noticed you put down there was no explanation of significance! The whole article explained that. It is part of the Museum Network of Ottawa, Ontario. How can that not be significant? Herecomestheslaughter (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no claim to notability. Why is this museum any different from any other antique shop down the street? Anybody with some old crap and a few extra dollars to spend can charge admission and call it a museum. The article needs to explain it's significance. Being a museum alone does not make it so. The article needs to spell that out. And it needs reliable tertiary sources that are about the subject.--v/r - T P 19:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

http://www.ottawamuseums.com/vanier-museopark.aspx— Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs)

Is a primary source.--v/r - T P 19:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

http://www.museumsontario.ca/museum/Museoparc-Vanier-Museopark

This is a real museum part of the City of Ottawa— Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs)

Being real doesn't matter. Being significant does. Read WP:N.--v/r - T P 19:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand. How is it not significant? Most museums in Ottawa have Wiki Pages, so what makes this one so different? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Has this museum been noted by the media? Was the media coverage significant and about the museum specifically? If so, where are those sources? If not, then if the media hasn't taken notice than why should Wikipedia?--v/r - T P 19:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has taken notice. Like I said, look up the page for Vanier, Ontario. I just did the press review for 2012, I could send you links all day

http://www.expressottawa.ca/Actualites/2012-05-16/article-2981042/Rendez-vous-aux-Cafes-citoyens/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Press releases are primary sources. Where are the independent sources?--v/r - T P 19:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I believe this one is an article, not a press release

http://www.emcottawaeast.ca/20130314/News/Vanier+sugar+shack+getting+ready+for+maple+festival%2C+New+activities%2C+programs+for+all+ages — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Looks good as an independent source, but lacks significant coverage. Read over WP:IRS and WP:42.--v/r - T P 19:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

This is a very popular French news source: http://www3.tfo.org/videos/00190852/soiree-benerfice-au-profit-du-museoparc-vanier-et-hommage-a-mme-meilleur

http://www.radio-canada.ca/sujet/visuel/2012/11/02/001-nouveau-cadre-vanier.shtml (This is a BIG one in terms of news sources) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

That's not about the museum. Have you read WP:IRS and WP:42?--v/r - T P 19:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

This one is: http://www.racontemoiottawa.com/en/37 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

This is a government site: http://www.pro.rcip-chin.gc.ca/GetMember.do?lang=en&id=guaekg&ens=cnRsTGFuZz1lbg== — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

This article is about the Museopark and is an independent source: http://www.expressottawa.ca/Actualit%C3%A9s/2012-03-05/article-2915582/Un-nouveau-site-Internet-pour-le-Museoparc/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 19:51, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I believe I found the perfect link!: http://www.expressottawa.ca/Culture/Festivals-et-evenements/2012-02-29/article-2911674/Un-tresor-a-decouvrir/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herecomestheslaughter (talk • contribs) 20:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Contributions

In this post it links me to Special:Contributions/Interlaker for some reason, not my own. Ranze (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)fixed--Cailil ^talk 00:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Men's rights

Please reserve your "probation warnings" to those who have demonstrated more than a passing interest in the article, and preferably within the last couple of days.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:33, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry.--v/r - T P 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Its okay to be dickish, as long as you do it with conviction. :). No harm done really, I was just pissed off by other stuff when I logged on to that notification on an article I made on edit to 4 days ago.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:11, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I have waited SO long to do this ...

Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humor. Best wishes. — ChedZILLA 10:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

But I had to wait until I ran into someone I knew well enough that they would chuckle at the ironic humor rather than get mad. Being able to do this has made my day TP. — ChedZILLA 10:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

haha, well mission accomplished :) --v/r - T P 12:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

OH .. I meant to ask you a question. I think it was at that audit sub-committee thing where I wondered. Is it improper or insulting to refer to someone in the military as "Mr."? — ChedZILLA 14:41, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Only if your in the military and their subordinate ;) --v/r - T P 15:59, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

The real faux pas would apparently be calling him "sir", since he's not a commissioned officer. Or at least that's what people have yelled at me for in the past. I was just trying to be polite. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:59, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)That's more of the Army and Navy. The Air Force is pretty lazy with titles, so we tend to call everyone sir or ma'am.--v/r - T P 18:09, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

AHHHHH HAAAAA ... Now I got it. At first I figured it was a John Wayne movie of some sort where I had that stuck in my head, here it was a Happy Days episode where the boys are drafted. Fonzie called a guy "Sir" .. and a humorous "I coulda been a sir, shoulda been a sir" scene is what was sticking in my head. The "not a commissioned officer" was the trigger to the memory ... — ChedZILLA 18:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for welcoming me. LatinWolf (talk) 23:19, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

A peace offering

I still don't know why else you would say that, but I guess it's not that big a deal if you didn't mean it that way. I'll give you this virtual cold one, and if we ever come across each other at a meetup, maybe we can get a real cold one. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:24, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

No worries. I'd hate for you to think I had that opinion of you.--v/r - T P 20:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, ASO wants to spread the cookies, so you can have them too:

	Here's a plate full of cookies to share!
	Hi TParis/Archive 10, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

UTRS oddness

Hi TP. I noticed a bit of an odd UTRS issue today (which I've just raised at the Village Pump here). As a tool admin there, I'm assuming you can see a little bit more than me; are you able to shed any light on the problem? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Toolserver

What language are you using for your toolserver apps? I'm still waiting for my account to get approved (come on DaB!) but in the meantime have built a few python interfaces. I thought it might be interesting to create a git or hg repository and start sharing a collaborative toolset. little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 17:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Most of the tools are written in PHP but a couple I haven't touched are in perl. Thehelpfulone might be able to help you get your account approved.--v/r - T P 18:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Perl? I haven't seen a tool that was written in Perl. Which tool? Is it X!'s?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 02:43, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

To add on, toolserver has been going through...ummm...uh...problems to be put best that needed everyone's attention.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 02:43, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

X!'s Edit Counter

Add new wiki please: uk.wikivoyage, he.wikivoyage --RLuts (talk) 10:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

"JFCP"

What language. Careful or you might get banned.
Too
Carptrash (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

There is a difference between using language to attack someone and using it as a figure of speech. But yeah, I'm getting tired of the constant edit wars. I'm about to ask ANI for a 1RR on that article.--v/r - T P 16:34, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

A fine distinction, but I'm on your side in any case, even when . . . . . .............. Carptrash (talk) 16:37, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Tom, I was doing some digging and I think I see what has caused some of the recent resurgence of the problem at the Men's rights movement page. There is a very very long (and tedious) history of off-site campaigns in relation to this topic area. Apparently some bloggers got wind of this initiative[5] and have made various posts about it claiming wikipedia articles are inaccurate because of it. See it on avoiceformen.com at the 'Anita Sarkeesian and the feminist war on facts' post (which I can't link to due to spam filter) and reddit[6]. Apparently though this might have been caused by wikipediocracy[7]. Just though it'd be useful for you see this--Cailil ^talk 23:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've kept an eye on Reddit.--v/r - T P 01:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Since at this point he's had a series of final warnings re: talk page abuse[8] etc Memills attempt at poisoning the well at ANI[9] is a further example of the same behaviour - it just does not help an area under probation to have an account casting aspersions about others like this (which BTW is an issue ArbCom have a remedy for).
Also he seems to have an alternative account, User:Psyc-mmills, since apparently I'm 'completely biased' in his eyes it might better if you or another uninvolved sysop remind him to link the two accounts. I'll cross post to KC about this too--Cailil ^talk 23:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I hate to be the spineless admin dickhead who refuses to take action, but I don't see anything actionable there. I'm sorry.--v/r - T P 02:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
I sincerely doubt that Moonage's comment on the WO thread is what prompted that. The edit-a-thon was mentioned in the blogosphere before the WO thread and there was plenty of other coverage. It seems the redditor who added it is a regular on that subreddit as well.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 23:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Another headache

Just advising you of this[10]. I'm not sure if you intended to include the topic of men's rights 'broadly construed' or not in your ban of Carptrash (the probation covers more than just the page), but it's the same behaviour just on another page. That said the IP is just as bad.
Also something I've noticed about the SPAs and IPs in that area that attack Carptrash, they tend to refer to him as a she. You can see this from Yhwhsks on the men's rights movement talk page[11]. There comes a point where that kind of behaviour is indicative of something other than a mistake. Carptrash should be rising above it but they are being poked with a stick--Cailil ^talk 16:53, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I didnt intend it to meant anything outside of the Men's rights movement article specifically. The behavior isn't good but it's pretty pale as far as we've seen enforced around here. I havent seen the same thing that you have with IPs, I'll keep an eye out. You might want to point that out to Drmies and the Puppy of Death too.--v/r - T P 18:41, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

"People like you disgust me" and such

Rgambord (talk · contribs) has been deleting comments (including mine) from Talk:Men's rights movement and now this. "You should be ashamed of yourself" and "people like you disgust me" is a personal attack. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 17:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh and apparently I'm "dense" and "confused" [12]. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 18:47, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Labs

A while back you potentially discussed moving to labs. She we continue the discussion?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 23:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I need a enwiki db replication first.--v/r - T P 02:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

That's true. I'm having a tool project Xs-tools being setup for the future.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 07:12, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Is "labs" the new wikimedia toolserver project? little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 11:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, and it's a nightmare to do anything on it. They basically built the most complicated shit ever and called it a replacement. The process for even starting a project is a fucking nightmare. You don't just get an account and log into it SSH. You gotta initialize a "project" and then configure services ect just to put a tool online. I'll take DaB over Labs any day.--v/r - T P 12:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Not really all that difficult once you know it. I've got cyberbot and peachy project and am going to start Xs-Tools for us to share. I honestly prefer labs over toolserver any day because it's fast and simply doesn't crash.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 14:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

But no SQL db yet? Is it planned? little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 14:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

SQL server is running but there is no replication of the enwiki database yet. Cyber - Most of X!'s tools need the replication. And you'll notice I said DaB, not TS :P lol--v/r - T P 14:46, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't know you were in to DaB. :p LOL—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 14:50, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2)It's being developed as we speak. I will likely need to significantly modify adminstats for en, simple, cy, and ur wikis. The edit counter probably needs to be modified as well. I'll likely need to update the database class in Peachy. Hopefully not. At this point I'm just speculating at potential to-do's for the future of the tools. One thing is for sure, the tools need replication to work. It's too much of a load on the API if the tool runs without it.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 14:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013

Your Military History Newsletter

Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results
Articles: Last month's new Featured and A-Class content
Book reviews: Sturmvogel 66 and Hawkeye7 look at aspects of the Pacific War
Op-ed: ErrantX considers the rabbit hole of research

Topic ban

I'm leaving wikipedia (for good) but I wanted to come back to point out that your reasons cited http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rgambord&oldid=551848171 for banning me don't actually... exist. What you said didn't actually... happen. Might be wise to actually fact-check before you go (ab)using administrator powers. Thanks! (jerk)Rgambord (talk) 21:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I can't believe commons doesn't have a pic of jerk sauce so this will have to do. little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 02:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Peachy Update

Here is the alpha 2 copy.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 22:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

You are also invited to create an account on the Peachy Wiki to assist in the creation of a documentation.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 22:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

If there are any bugs needing resolving, please let me know.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 22:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Jokestress

Hi TP, I've never seen anyone say that ArbCom restrictions have to remain on user talk pages. [13] Usually once an editor has read something they're free to remove it. Do you have a link to whichever policy/guideline says that's not allowed with ArbCom restrictions? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Well, it does say that in the ~~policy~~ guideline linked in the edit summary (first bullet): "Declined unblock requests regarding a currently active block, ArbCom-imposed edit restrictions currently in effect, confirmed sockpuppetry related notices, and any other notice regarding an active sanction" (emphasis mine). Whether that's a good idea or not is an exercise left to the reader in their leisure. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, WK. That doesn't really make sense because an ArbCom restriction could be in effect for years, which means the user has to retain it on her talk page the whole time as a badge of shame. I wonder when that was added. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I've asked whether anyone minds if I remove that from the guideline; see Wikipedia_talk:User_pages#ArbCom_restrictions. TP, would you be willing to let Jokestress remove the post anyway? She's a long-term editor and has obviously read it, so it doesn't really need to stay on the page. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:04, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't bother me any. ~~But then it brings up the question, does the guideline need to change?~~ I should've finished reading your comments before replying, it seems you already opened up the question on the talk page.--v/r - T P 22:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go ahead and remove that post from her talk page, unless you prefer to do it yourself. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:17, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

LOL, I appreciate you trying to help me save face. I don't mind doing it and I don't mind you doing it. My pride isn't hurt at all. No one can fault me for learning a lesson.--v/r - T P 22:21, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you've done it. That was nice of you, thanks. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 23:50, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey there TP

Hey, I was wondering if you could help me with a page move real quick. I was looking at Category:United States Air Force careers just now and wanted to establish some consistency with the article titles by moving U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations to United States Air Force Office of Special Investigations so I was wondering if you wouldn't mind deleting the United States... page for me to make way for the move. I'd really appreciate it! Cheers, — -dainomite 23:54, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

All done.--v/r - T P 23:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

You are the man, thanks again. Dainophone (talk) 00:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Men's Right & SPLC

TP, My submission to RSN was to establish if the sources were reliable for representing the opinions the SPLC, not that the views in of themselves were reliable. The response I got was actually different to what I had proposed, I thought they were Goldwags opinions. I don't have a counter to the reasons they gave. I did this to pin the argument down and not have the goal posts moved on me. Which is starting to happen already. I have not mentioned RSN in the argument I outlined, and I have only briefly mentioned it in response to Viriditas. CSDarrow (talk) 15:34, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

CSDarrow - Unfortunately, I cannot comment on the merits. That would be giving an opinion from an editor perspective. At the uninvolved administrator level of participation, the only thing I can only comment on is how much support I saw at WP:RSN towards a consensus. I can look at it again, but I cannot opine on the validity of your position. I'm sorry.--v/r - T P 15:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

TP, My comment here was not to convince you or encourage you to opine. It is to clarify the nature of my RSN submission and that its role in my argument is limited. I understand the position of your reply fully. CSDarrow (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

When I have the time, I'll take another look at the participants.--v/r - T P 15:58, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Vanier

Did you delete the whole section for Museoparc in the Vanier article?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.70.26.203 (talk) 16:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it was attributed to primary sources and clearly spam. I've told you before, Wikipedia is not your personal ad service.--v/r - T P 23:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of good faith

Sorry this has been a few month in coming; I got tired of logging on to disappointment. I do appreciate it though. -- Kendrick7^talk 02:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, no problem.--v/r - T P 02:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Of possible interest to you

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Spam_attack_on_Evolutionary_psychology Killer Chihuahua 07:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

SQL replication labs

I have some information for setting up the tools to work on labs once SQL is ready. Can you send me an email. I need to send you a file.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 17:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: not in charge

I saw your comment here and wanted to point you to my user essay "Not in charge" for your thoughts. --Lexein (talk) 01:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I think that sort of is a different idea than I was trying to convey.--v/r - T P 01:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

Hello, TParis. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. CSDarrow (talk) 11:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it but I'm not involved. Since the thread looks like it may be closed, perhaps you should consider conducting an WP:RFC on the talk page of the Men's rights movement instead. That might be a more appropriate place. Perhaps you should try to work with your opponents to formulate a two-sided and well balanced RFC. Try Viriditas, he's a smart guy.--v/r - T P 12:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI

You are always welcome to email me. — Ched : ? 08:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I may do that. The answer I got from Arbcom is worse than my assumption.--v/r - T P 13:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to see this outcome, actually. Their public comments aren't especially reassuring, either. Intothat darkness 16:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, sorry to see that you didn't get appointed...I strongly supported you. Go Phightins! 10:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

an interesting find

Regarding the conversation we've talked about a few times... I stumbled across Commons:Bundesarchiv and I was in awe at the possibilities and I just hope everything could possibly go as smoothly as this seems to have been. But yeah, I'm not sure if you've come across that as well but I thought you would think it's nifty. — -dainomite 06:53, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

AUSC

Sorry to hear you didn't get the spot. I know I opposed but it really did surprise me when the other individual was chosen over you. It really didn't surprise me that they chose one of their own clerks but it doesn't really give the Arbcom a good impression when they do that sort of thing after the community said no to them being in Arbcom a few months ago. For what its worth I would have much, much rather you got it. Kumioko (talk) 01:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, thanks. And no hard feelings over the oppose, I understand why you felt/feel that way.--v/r - T P 01:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hindsight being what it is I should have supported.:-)Kumioko (talk) 01:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I was pleasently surprised

to check into an edit counter somethingoranother and to find at some point that I was directed to your talk page. Small world. My question is, on the pie chart generated by the counter there is a blue section called "wikipedia." What does this section measure? I have quesses, but am happy just asking one who knows. Come to think about it, you might hear about this again. Or not Carptrash (talk) 16:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That section is about edits made to the Project namespace, which is to say pages with the prefix "Wikipedia:" (or shortened to "WP:"). :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 17:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

^^ If only stalkers in real life were this helpful!--v/r - T P 17:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. Carptrash (talk) 23:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Deleting Advanced International Translations page

Hi Paris,

You have deleted a page of notable company Advanced International Translations, which does a lot to translation community, e.g. runs Langmages - Social Network for Translators and Translation Agencies. I guess this is a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langexpert (talk • contribs) 19:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

It was not a mistake. See this discussion--v/r - T P 19:33, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for quick answer. I see the discussion points are very poor-grounded, something like "I have found only 2 press-releases" (while I see hundreds of them in Google). Please, advise on what is the procedure for refuting discussion points, relisting, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langexpert (talk • contribs) 14:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Hundreds of press releases is an even poorer argument. We need multiple independent reliable sources which cover the subject in significant detail.--v/r - T P 14:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Apology

I'm sorry I acted out of line the other day. The fast pace of the editing on Talk:Men's rights movement led to a lot of confusion on my part as to who I was talking to and what had been said. I allowed myself to overreact to one editor's insulting comments, and then made the honest mistake of thinking I was talking to that editor without taking the time to double check the user-name. That led to a significant argument, and as soon as I realised my mistake I attempted to apologize, but it was only taken as a further attack and led to AN/I. So, again, sorry I called you a jerk. I felt that I had been unfairly treated and overreacted because of it. I appreciate that you take the time to moderate (literally) the forum on that page. Obviously there are not going to be editors who hold a neutral point of view on the topic, and it can be very polarizing, since most editors are probably bringing in existing disagreement and animosity from other spheres into wikipedia. Both sides think they are right, that the scientific evidence backs up their beliefs, and that the other side is totally ignorant and hateful; that's the beauty of humanities, I suppose. If wikipedia editors had to talk face to face, I imagine it would be more difficult to demonize one another. Rgambord (talk) 05:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikitech

I've deployed my tool to wikitech [14]. If you are interested in gearing up on wmflabs, let me know as I've recently gone through the headache of setting up a decent workflow. little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 15:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Let's you and I talk to Cyberpower about a single project for all three of us. I'll get with User:Sharihareswara_(WMF) and get my account created. She's been working on me for over a year so I guess it's time.--v/r - T P 16:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The new Echo notifications told me that you mentioned me. :-) Anyone can create their own account at the Labs wiki, which gets them a WMF Labs account -- it's self-serve now, although that's relatively new so I don't blame you for thinking you had to ask someone to get an account created! :-) little green rosetta, thanks for using Labs; if you want to share a summary of your workflow with the labs-l mailing list, that'd be cool. Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Engineering Community Manager (talk) 17:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I created a "stub" application (see it here) with some very vague instructions. If you get on IRC I'm usually idling #wikimedia-labs so I can walk you through anything you might need help with. little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 22:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I streamlined the process a bit. Once you have a project created, try following this guide to create a stub application. little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 19:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I watch your talkpage TParis. I need you to send me an email. :-) I need to reply with an attachment.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 19:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Is it something I say? :(—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 00:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Nope, I've just barely been at a computer, let alone Wikipedia, over the last week so I've focused on a few priorities for me. Sorry for the delay. You should have my email somewhere, though, we have been emailing each other about Peachy.--v/r - T P 01:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh right. You filed a bug. Did my two files fix that?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 01:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Yep, they sure did, thanks.--v/r - T P 02:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

FYI, Alpha 2 release is ready.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 02:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Notification

Hello, you might be interested in the ARBCOM case concerning Apostle12 [15]Rgambord (talk) 08:35, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

This is problematic

Telling someone they're banned from one article, and then making a log-entry that says entire topic can only lead to misunderstandings. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 09:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Tparis was quite clear that Rgambord is banned from editing the mrm article and the article talk page. Despite the clear ban Rgambord edited the article [16] and the article talk page [17]. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 09:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

That's not the point. Read again. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 09:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

The point is that TParis made clear that Rgambord was blocked from editing the mrm and the mrm talk page in both the log entry and the notice he left on Rgambord's user talk page. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 10:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

No, that is not the point. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 10:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

note I was somewhat confused also by the 1 month/6 month discrepancy in the notices. Am I to assume 1 month, as per the log? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgambord (talk • contribs) 11:14, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Seb is correct, I made a mistake. What is written on Rgambord's talk page is what was intended. The log was the error.--v/r - T P 13:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

ANI... again :]

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Not_sure_what_title_to_put_here

why I asked

Back towards the beginning of the year sometime, I had talked a bit with Worm about a few things. I'm not sure if I'm just more aware of things than I had been in the past, or if I just felt this years transition was more .. ummmm ... robust than usual. I've even had the impression at times that some of the arbs are a bit <trying to think of a good word again> ... concerned about the current culture. My observation at the time was that it often seemed that the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing, so I started this and was evolving to User:Ched/Arb/Agenda but it sort of lost steam as I got side-tracked on other things. I almost deleted both, but Worm said to hold on to that thought - so perhaps I'll get back to him on it in the near future. Not directly related I know, but I had noticed your comment to Iri and it certainly caught my attention. Best of luck with it. — Ched : ? 00:37, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

AUSC

TParis, apologies for getting behind in responding to comments around the project. One of the places I wanted to comment was where your concern about AUSC appointments was posted, and I have responded to you here to publicly discuss my own actions in relation to your candidacy. Risker (talk) 01:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining and thank you for recusing even though I didn't feel I had the right to ask you to. I was very taken by surprise at the very personal comments that WormTT said were a factor in the decisions of some. I'll be honest with you, I went back and forth about you in particular but I settled on the thought that I had a better opinion of you than the idea that you would think those things of me. This thought about you eventually led to the realization that I had quite a good opinion of everyone on Arbcom and I'd rather that just not change. I'm happy to see your thoughts haven't changed though I'm disappointed to see that you still have that same impression of my comments which were not at all which you've characterized them as. But my point is that your perception of those comments is a valid reason for you to hold an opinion and I do not hold it against you. What isn't valid, and what I was upset about, is the idea that I in some way do not respect, appreciate, and value women. I do not know who holds that opinion of me, and as I've said several times I'd rather not know, but whomever it is should reflect on their judgement and spend a little more time trying to understand me. My mistake is I often write complex thoughts in very simple words that can mean something very different from what I intended. I'm already facing that with this RFC idea I'm having. I don't have the eloquence of language that you and Newyorkbrad have. In any case, and as you already did weeks ago, I appreciate that those who have a concern take the time to talk to me.--v/r - T P 02:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Replag on edit counter

The edit counter's replag for Wikidata is over eight days, the entire month of May thus far. When I go here I get the message "Caution: Replication lag is high, changes newer than 1 weeks, 1 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, 21 seconds may not be shown.". Is there any way to fix this? Sven Manguard Wha? 15:06, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

It's toolserver's replag, not the edit counter's. Nothing we can do until toolserver catches up.--v/r - T P 15:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but it seems to be happening on a regular basis. I might be representing the conversation wrong, but I think I heard people talking about moving their tools from one toolserver server to another. Apparently some are better than others. Sven Manguard Wha? 15:53, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

They're talking about moving to the new Wikimedia Labs. I'm also talking to folks about doing this as well but it takes some time and it'll face the same replag issues on some level that toolserver does.--v/r - T P 16:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

But definitely not as much, as their equipment is much newer. Also this move will not happen until labs is ready with replication.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:14, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not tech-literate enough to program, but I know the difference between 'move my tool from s6 to s2' (I forget which specific numbers were mentioned) and 'move my tool from toolserver to labs'. I don't log, and even if I did I'm not sure I'd be able to find it, but I'm pretty sure that tool operators were talking about moving their tools from one server to another within toolserver by hard coding a preference into the tools. Sven Manguard Wha? 06:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Maybe. But that's for private user databases such as the WP:UTRS tool. I can't move the whole enwiki_p replication, it's not in my control. It only lives on S1.--v/r - T P 12:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

hey there TP

(I always want to say "Tom" .. or "Tim" or something - but I don't recall ever seeing anything on that) .. Anyyyyyway. Regarding that Arb RfC, (and I know it's a work in progress and a long way from being a final draft), I wanted to mention something. Back at the beginning of the year when the new arbs took their seats, I talk briefly with User:Worm That Turned. My thinking was about transparency and communication things. I even went so far as to draft User:Ched/Arb/Agenda, but never really followed up on it. In fact I was going to delete the whole thing until Dave said "hang on" .. there might be something there". Anyway, I never really got back to either that idea or even to Dave, but I thought It may be something that could be incorporated into your RfC. I have to say I'm really impressed with how some of the arbs as individuals have been trying to communicate to the community, but my thinking is that often we don't see what they're doing. So I thought perhaps if there was some page aside from the "formal" boards the arbs use where they could say "I'll be working on this" or "I'll be away for a week", or "We're dealing with xyz". Not really for the community to edit the page (although the talk page might be useful), but more where the arbs and community could check in to see what's going on in regards to their particular area of interest. So anyway ... if that's something you wanted to work into your RfC, it's just a thought. Feel free to ping me any time sir. And thanks again for all you do ... both as a wikipedian, and as a true hero to my favorite country. :) — Ched : ? 20:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

So it's like a structured informal notes page? And thanks, I appreciate the support. Honestly, though, my service has been boring and of little note. I've never deployed or anything like that. I even chose a career field that rarely deploys (not because of that, but I like programming). There are a lot of really great heros out there who need some serious support. Check out the Fisher House Foundation if you're ever looking for somewhere to donate anything.--v/r - T P 12:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Discussion you might be interested in

Hello, TParis! You might want to check out the discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Dicklyon. In the course of closing that discussion there is some talk about sanctions for Born2cycle, and your closure of the earlier AN discussion about B2C was mentioned by Glrx. I'm just letting you know in case you want to observe the discussion, or if you might want to comment on how your closure applies to the current situation. --MelanieN (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. Glrx's comments may be right or may be wrong. B2C's restriction was experimental and if it doesn't work out than it doesn't work. But I'm not sure that's been demonstrated by Glrx. What Glrx says is that the restriction could be better but he hasn't pointed to anything, yet, demonstrating that it hasn't been successful. So I'll keep an eye on it.--v/r - T P 12:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't exist!

According to [18], I don't exist. Other accounts seem ok. Any reason for this? An optimist on the run! 10:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Well only you can determine if you exist. It's just a toolserver glitch, give it a few hours.--v/r - T P 12:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Seems ok now - thanks. It's a terrible thing to doubt your own existence :-) An optimist on the run! 16:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Quasi-military question

I am working on an article about a guy who, in WW2 taught "recognition" classes in the military. What is a term that I can use that could be linked to a wikipedia article that could explain to the interested just what that would have meant? Or might still mean? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 14:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

It could mean a few things that I can think of but it's definitely out of my specialty and history isn't my strength either. Two things come to my mind though: 1) Could be recognition of forces. Someone was needed who could identify uniforms, equipment, vehicles, ect to determine if a force was an opposing or allied force, or 2) Someone was needed who could recognize munitions. Either way, my service has been boring and far from anything even remotely battlefield related so you might ask User:Dainomite. He's security forces and way more likely to know what the term meant.--v/r - T P 14:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me at another solution to my issue. Carptrash (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Koepckekassike in German Wiki

I created Koepckekassike as a new article in the German Wiki. If I click here it is not listed. Why? (79.225.70.182 (talk) 09:30, 11 May 2013 (UTC))

Replication lag.--v/r - T P 16:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

How do you find a percentage of a number?

To find a percentage of a number it is really simple. For example if you are finding 56 percent of 230 all you do is times them by each other then divide by 100. Simple! Hope this helpful to you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaael.123 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for pointing out the obvious, but (56 * 230) / 100 = 128.8, and 56 most certainly isn't 128.8% of 230. What you need to do instead is (56 / 230) * 100 = ~24.35, and 56 is ~24.35% of 230. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 16:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

That's not correct. The word "of" is the equivialnt of multiplation. So "finding 56 percent of 230" is equivilant to "x = .56 x 230". Solving for X yields 128.8 little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 16:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

That's not true either. The answer is: *drum roll* this is spam. lol--v/r - T P 17:37, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Can't resist a simple word problem. little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer 14:17, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

XDXDXDXDXD—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmph. *facepalm* That'll teach me to try and be a smartass. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 18:30, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

THE BIZZARE INSTINCT OF THE PAPER WASP

Paper Wasps have been described as masters of engineering.As its name suggests,the paper wasp builds and maintains its compound nest out of a special kind of paper which manufactures itself. The insects collects fibres of plants and from dead wood and from all kinds of places. It them chews the cellulose-rich material,adding a sticky high protein saliva. When applied,the resulting paste dries to form a light firm,yet,tough paper. Moreover,the saliva has special properties that enable the paper to generate and absorb heat ,thus maintaining the right temperature in the brood comb on cool days. The wasp builds its nest mouthful by mouthful. The finished product is waterproof paper umbrella-covered cluster of hexagonal cells combining strength and efficiency. Wasps that live in wetter areas simply add more oral secretion because of its water resistant properties. The insects selects sites that offer some kind of protective overhang. From this,they suspend their downward facing nests by a stalk or petiole. Moreover,paper wasps do on harm to the environment,unlike our papermaking processes,which pollute air,water and land. Understandably,architects and researchers are studying paper wasp's products with a view to designing superior building materials that are light weight,strong,more flexible and biodegradable. WHAT DO YOU THINK? Did an insect with brain roughly the size of two grains of sand figure out papermaking and architecture by itself? Or are its chemical and mechanical engineering skills evidence of design? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Otu Wuddah (talk • contribs) 19:08, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

TP, have you considered SPP'ing your talk page? :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 19:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

I mentioned your AN decision about me in another AN item

I thought the decision you made about my behavior in February was fair, especially the part about where I am to be given a chance to stop engaging in a discussion where I'm being tendentious (as a warning from an uninvolved admin) before I'm blocked or penalized in any way. However, this implied agreement between WP administration and me appears to not be recognized by at least one other admin. See here:

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Help_please.21_Second_opinion.28s.29_requested.2C_from_uninvolved_admin.28s.29

Thanks. --B2C 21:47, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

AE feedback

Hi TParis – I thought I'd respond here since I'm probably at or beyond my limit in the AE.

I appreciate the clarification of your ANI remedy. If indeed there's no active monitoring by admins of B2C's behavior, then it seems that the remedy boils down to having editors continue to report disruptive behavior to administrators who may then choose to act. Forgive me, but I don't see that this varies materially from what was happening before, nor how it amounts to an effective deterrent. (One difference I do see is that the remedy limits investigating administrators to only very weak and localized sanctions – at the very most only barring B2C from participating in the remainder of a single discussion that he's already disrupted to the point of administrative intervention.)

In your summation you explicitly stated your willingness to "revisit and revert" your decision based on others' feedback. Given what I've seen since its implementation, and what I've recently learned from you about how it's actually meant to work, I'm afraid I must offer as feedback my view that the remedy as it stands is insufficient and doesn't adequately address the problem, for reasons already elaborated by myself (and others). Please understand that I don't mean this as criticism – it's merely my response to your stated willingness to reconsider your decision based on users' responses.

I ask that you to please accept this feedback without sarcasm or defensiveness, in the same spirit of helpfulness and collaboration that I offer it, and consider allowing the remedy to be revised as others have proposed. Thanks! ╠╣uw [talk] 00:53, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand your perception, but I'd like to see someone attempt to use it before it's written off. Interaction bans, topic bans, blocks, and site bans have become a sort of default sanction around here and we often forget that we invented these things. We're not bound to our previous ideas. New ideas should be given a shot and then evaluated for effectiveness. Try it on the next RM discussion B2C is causing disruption in.--v/r - T P 02:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

For the record, I would quote this from the ANI closure: "I know I took some artistic prerogative in developing the sanction, so if my talk page blows up with opposition then I'll revisit and revert myself. I also realize that I am putting a huge burden on my fellow admins by forcing them to consider each discussion on it's own merits, but there is significant rationale in the below discussion not to ban him from the entire topic or to limit him to a single post." Several editors have expressed concerns with the path that you took, both here and at the current AE discussion. We are just trying to deal with a difficult editor who seems to be making no effort to change his behavior despite multiple official warnings; and you did express willingness to revisit this. Let's do that, please. Thanks. Omnedon (talk) 12:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

That quote was over two months ago and I received both praise and criticism. In the end, everyone agreed to try it out. So I will revisit when you actually try it.--v/r - T P 12:31, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Comedy Masala

I'd like to try again for my entry on Comedy Masala, which you deleted last year. It's become much more notable. Can I make a new submission?Gchuva (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Traveltoursinnepal

Dear Travel partner or well wisher

Warm Greeting from Nepal!!!

Whilst, i would like to express my topic about "traveltoursinnepal" Which will be very utmost experience those who are traveling to Nepal.Nepal, itself always welcoming & warm greet wherever they are from as their choice & wherever they would like to visit... . We Nepalese people would like to respect our valued clients with our happiest smiling wherever they are even like can be a remote area of Nepal or can be a mountain region,Terai region. We are proudly say that, it's Nepal always loving their guest as a God while you never expect these kinda of respect in the world .We (Nepalese people expect that,Please come to visit our Country Nepal as like your heaven of earth even we are very poor but we aren't... . We have a top of the world Mountain called Mt. Everest,greenery,respect people,smiling faces can be attraction to you during the tour in Nepal.There are lot of things to see around Nepal.You can come to visit for tour in nepal,Trekking in Nepal, Mountaineering In Nepal, Rafting in Nepal,Safari tour in Nepal as well as Hindus/Buddhist/Muslim/Christian/jain tour in Nepal.We are proud to share our experience about village tourism,Eco- tourism, responsible tourism as well as many more.. You just remember our country to Nepal . Nepal,it's richest for culture,World Heritage sites in Nepal.You could be explore Pashupatianth temple,Boudhnath Stupa,Shyambhunath Stupa,Patan Durbar Square, Bhaktapur Durbar Square,Kathmandu Durbar Square, Lumbini as well.

Thanks in advance to explore or searching us to visit Nepal.

Regards Ramchandra Adhikari Lazimpat 2, Kathmandu Nepal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.199.167.42 (talk) 07:35, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVI, May 2013

Your Military History Newsletter

Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results
Articles: Last month's new Featured and A-Class content
Book reviews: Dumelow on the French Foreign Legion and Nick-D on New Zealand military history
Op-ed: Nick-D on military history tourism

from my era to yours

thank you for all you do. — Ched : ? 05:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

The question mark in the title

Hi! I don't know, maybe someone already have written about this bug. My list of articles -- link. Click on the №5 (at this moment) article "R U Mine?". It's reffer to http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_U_Mine, but must to http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_U_Mine%3F. Correct, please --Morganvolter (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) (tl;dr: there's an easy fix that TParis can implement.) That's because the question mark in the title is being parsed by Mediawiki to be the start of a ?-based argument (for example, ?action=edit), instead of as part of the article title. Just run urlencode on the links before printing them. Cheers, Theopolisme (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

You are a Golden Editor!

Good as gold!

Hi, TParis. During your time here, you've done a lot of good and served quite well as one of our more respected administrators. You've pitched in at various places and been a credit to the community. However, because today is Memorial Day, I've taken the unusual step of also considering your off-wiki actions in presenting you with the Golden Editor Award. As a fellow American, I would like to thank you for your service in the Air Force, which in my opinion is a whole lot more meaningful than your service here. v/r -- AutomaticStrikeout ? 13:57, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch!--v/r - T P 20:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Happy memorial day TP

-dainomite is wishing you a Happy Memorial Day! On this day, we recognize our fellow countrymen who have fought our nation's battles for the past several hundred years, protecting our freedom and safety. We remember those who paid the ultimate price and we support those who continue to willingly sacrifice their safety for the sake of their country. Happy Memorial Day!

Share this message by adding {{subst:Memorial Day}} to a fellow American's talk page.

Thanks. I know this day is probably a lot closer to home for you than me because of your career field in relation to mine so a happy memorial day to you as well and thank God for all of the Security Forces.--v/r - T P 20:02, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem TP, thank you. We had a ceremony in our squadron for one of our squadron members who was killed in Iraq the summer of 2009. But unfortunately I had to work over the weekend to allow some of our newer guys to go through some training. *feigns a "yay" for excitement* hah. Anywho, take care. — -dainomite 03:10, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Labs, again

I set up a project for the tools. If you create an account on Wikitech, I can add you to it, and then we can begin migrating some of it to labs and get it ready.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 13:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

You got Skype or IRC? I don't have a ton of time lately, but if you're willing to walk me through it over Skype or IRC to streamline the process then I will be sure to make time to meet with you.--v/r - T P 21:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Or, alternatively, if you want to make a quick $50, I have some MediaWiki work that I need done on another Wiki that I just don't have a ton of time to do.--v/r - T P 21:56, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm on IRC right now. I'll be back in a bit. Just ping me in the meantime with /msg Cyberpower678 ping

—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 22:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

You're voiced on #xlabs ^connect. It's the new official Channel for X!'s tools.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 03:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

automated edits

Hi TParis,

you wanted to add WP:AFCH to that tool. Any chance you add that? mabdul 05:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

If I recall, someone brought this up about a year ago and the reason I couldn't do it was that I needed some kind of tag to read in a query. Like Twinkle has (TW) at the end of it's edits and TC was no longer supporting it.--v/r - T P 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

That was me, I / we added a tag then as you can see in my contributions:

22:56, 27 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+58)‎ . . N Talk:Dot bzh ‎ (Placing WPAFC project banner (AFCH)) (current) 
22:56, 27 May 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+50)‎ . . N Dot bzh ‎ (Created via Articles for Creation (you can help!) (AFCH)) (current)

Regards, mabdul 15:01, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, it's done.--v/r - T P 17:08, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I hope you're doing ok. I'm simply a concerned editor who respects your work. - tucoxn\^talk 00:39, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Toolserver

Hey, Tparis. Did your account expire on Toolserver, or would you happen to know why the edit counter and whatnot aren't working? Thanks! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:51, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

He broke something. :p Actually it's being migrated to labs right now. I hope to have at least the edit counter running in a few hours. :-)—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 03:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

*waiting with hopeful look on face* Yngvadottir (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I've been working on it and I cant seem to figure out how badly I broke whatever I broke.--v/r - T P 16:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Fear not. It is now live on labs located at http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pcount/ —cyberpower ^Chat_Online 21:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Nice work, and it's screaming fast. Is the omission of deleted edits on purpose?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:08, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Heck yeah, it's nice and quick, like greased lightning.

— -dainomite 00:51, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Question: So, in "my preferences" it says I have totaled 12,200 some odd edits, and the old edit counter said more than that ... now the edit counter says I only have 11,837 and no deleted edits. Is something wrong here, or have I just done less than I thought? Go Phightins! 01:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

WMF Labs is still getting set up and right now we dont have access to deleted edits. It will display correctly soon.--v/r - T P 14:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to let you know there might be a possible problem with the tool. When I look up the edit count or my account it seems to work pretty well and fast. When I look up my old account of Kumioko it just comes up with a white screen. I'm not sure if this is due to the high edit count (about 400, 000) or because the userpage redirect to my current one. Anyway, just wanted to let you know. Kumioko (talk) 16:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Memory overflow is what caused it. I extended restrictions on the tool since we now can run it on a powerful server. I forgot to extend the memory restrictions. It's fixed now.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 21:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

@KumiokoCleanStart: 400,000? If that's true then the edit counter is ~260,000 off. — -dainomite 00:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

@Dainomite:Look up User:Kumioko and User:Kumioko (renamed) plus this one. The User:Kumioko (renamed) one has the majority of the edits. Kumioko (talk) 00:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

@KumiokoCleanStart: Ahhhh, I thought "When I look up my old account of Kumioko" + "due to the high edit count (about 400,000)" meant that the User:Kumioko account had 400,000 edits. — -dainomite 00:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about that I guess I wasn't really very clear when I said that. Kumioko (talk) 01:14, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh no worries. I probably read it too literally or something. — -dainomite 01:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

When will the link in the user page/talk page header be fixed? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Uhh? Where? There are no links in the UP and TP headers.--v/r - TP 00:22, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
  - I think Kudpung is referring to a script that I have installed as well that shows on a user's talk page how many edits they have, how old the account is, when they last edited, and what permissions they have ... I believe it is this one, but don't quote me on that. Go Phightins! 00:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Not sure where that's found, but the Twinkle links need updating. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 03:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

The problem are the permissions on /home/tparis:

drwxr-xr-- 31 tparis users 2048 Apr 10 19:19 /home/tparis

This prevents the webserver account who is not in the users group, to traverse this directory to reach /home/tparis/public_html. To fix this: chmod a+x /home/tparis. If this doesn't work, please ask on #wikimedia-toolserver.

Afterwards, please check if these edits can be reverted, and if this edit was accurate. --Tim Landscheidt (talk) 20:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

There's just one small problem. TParis can't SSH into his account anymore.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 21:30, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I can now.--v/r - T P 02:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

On a related note

TP, would you (or maybe another admin stalker?) mind editting Template:User edits and adding the new URL so the edit counter userbox works again? I would if I could but it's under full protection. — -dainomite 00:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

done.--v/r - T P 14:49, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you good sir. — -dainomite 21:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

History deletion

Hi, I am requesting to delete the history of the page: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Lyc%C3%A9e_Franco-Libanais Since it has been modified from external persons and they contained unwanted pages. Kindly inform us when it will be done, and can it be done also for the english version of the same page? In case you need additional information, please let me know. I will check this page tomorrow. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.21.12 (talk) 16:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no control of the French version of the article, but "modified from external persons" is not a reason to delete a page on the English Wikipedia. This website contains articles about subjects and are not under the control of those subjects to write about themselves. We're all 'external persons' being that none of us are employees of the Wikimedia foundation. So you'll need a much more valid reason to delete the article than what you have given. Have a good day.--v/r - T P 20:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, If you check the history, you will find the reason because there were students who modified the pages and wrote bad things about the school (ex: the school is a prison) and insulted the manager and so on and it's upon my management request that I am asking you as an administrator to delete the history. In case you need any additional information, please let me know. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.21.12 (talk) 19:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Tools

It's good to see that you're currently (or have already migrated) migrating X!'s tools to Wikimedia Labs, which means these tools won't be unreliable anymore. But what about your tools, such as Top Edits and Is X an Admin? Do you plan to move them to Labs? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

All of them are X!'s or a predecessor of his. My only tools are WP:UTRS and User:TPBot. But they will all be migrated. In the meantime, my TS account is working again and they tools are all back up.--v/r - T P 13:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You have to give us time to do it. Migrating and making sure they work perfectly isn't easy. We are moving tools into a completely different server, with different database setups and access levels. All of X!'s tools will be migrated and toolserver will then be set to redirect to labs upon completion. Which is 5 times faster when I ran comparison tests.

Mens Rights Movement

Hi TParis, I was wondering if you could check the edit history over at Mens Rights Movement there appears to be some edit-warring and 1RR violations going on. I'd take it to ANEW but I'm not the most familiar at filling out that form. Thanks.--Kyohyi (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

The way the restriction is written, no one has violated it. It allows that each editor is given their own chance to revert every 24 hours. I've proposed a new restriction on ANI that removes this allowance.--v/r - T P 14:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to sound presumptuous, but I thought I saw three editors who broke 1RR, and I'm not so sure about a fourth. Do you mind if I present what I think were the violations, and could I get feedback on why they aren't? --Kyohyi (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome to, but I don't see any of them making more than 1 revert by themselves which is how the condition is written, unfortunately.--v/r - T P 15:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, here's what I see,

First is an addition by Pleasetry at 23:48 on 6/3.
Then on 6/4 Carptrash removes some of what Pleasetry added, taking it to talk page, adds some material, and moves a reference, my understanding is revert one for Carptrash is in removing the material.
Then Sonicyouth86 removes all of the remaining material that pleasetry added, some additional material, and restored some other material. This would be Sonicyouth's first revert.
Obiwankenobi Revert's Sonicyouth's last edit. This is Obiwan's first revert.
Binkersnet Revert's Obiwan. This is Binkersnet's first revert.
Obiwan adds link to Women's rights, doesn't appear to be a revert to me.
Carptrash changes wording in Military Conscription from Oppression of to Discrimination against. This is where I think Carptrash's second revert is. There is 14 hours between this edit and the last edit in his previous group
Sonicyouth then removes some overlinking, as well as changes some citations. This is what I believe to be Sonicyouth's second revert. There are 4.5 hours between Sonicyouth's previous group of edits, and this edit.
Finally Pleasetry re-adds the material he first added. If his initial addition would be revert then this would be his second. This happens on 21:46 of 6/4.

My understanding of 1RR on the sanction page means that the revert doesn't have to be of the same material, just that you can only make 1 revert on the page in 24 hours. When I first did the count for three editors breaking 1RR, I included Pleasetry in that count, and Obiwan was the one I wasn't so sure of. After writing it like this, I'm not so sure of Pleasetry breaking 1RR. --Kyohyi (talk) 16:09, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I guess I don't see changing wording after an editor has willfully misrepresented what a source is saying as being "reverting". To me, reverting would be tossing out the whole edit based on the fact that the editor has intentionally changed the meaning of the source to reflect his (her?) POV. But it is comforting to know that folks are watching this closely. Carptrash (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

From what I understand, being incorrect or correct is mostly irrelevent to revert rules. Unless the content is obvious vandalism, a copyright violation, or a BLP issue, changing content someone else has added or removed is viewed as a revert. --Kyohyi (talk) 16:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

And I consider that sort of editing to be "obvious vandalism". But you are the rules person, so I'll defer to your . . ... judgement. Carptrash (talk) 18:23, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no desire for snark, if you truly believe that the content you were reverting was vandalism then I disagree with you. --Kyohyi (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I am requesting to delete the history of the page: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Lyc%C3%A9e_Franco-Libanais because it contains bad words and insults about the school and the manager. Please let me know how to proceed. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.12.173 (talk) 05:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

PrimeFaces

You should restore the PrimeFaces article. I mean the article in User:Arjant/PrimeFaces. Here ([19]) you can see it is a Java component library with certain relevance. The unique with more than one hundred components (point 1) and the most used by developers (point 7). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aliuken (talk • contribs) 17:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

History deletion

Hi, I am requesting to delete the history of the page: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Lyc%C3%A9e_Franco-Libanais since it contains bad words from students and insults to the manager of the school. We have claimed to block this page from updates but how can we do to delete the history? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.21.12 (talk) 05:21, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

We can't do anything on the English Wikipedia. You have to ask on the French Wikipedia.--v/r - T P 14:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you for your reply but both the french and english version have been hacked and we must do that for both history. Can you please do it for French version and then guide me to a link where I can ask to do the same for the English version? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.126.21.12 (talk) 18:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Your request is backwards. He can't do anything on the French Wikipedia.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 18:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Echo station redirect

I didn't mean to override you, but I zapped that just as you declined the speedy. That guy has been creating strings of redirects from future films. They were discussed at WP:WikiProject Film#Creating redirects to future films. and he was told that it was not appropriate until there was enough sourced information to say something about the film in the target (director's) article. In this case there was nothing in the target. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:29, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem.--v/r - T P 13:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Deleted AfC submission

Hello there! I believe you deleted this page under CSD G13. The user's asking for the contents. Could you leave him a message here? Also, out of curiosity: I thought it was a copyvio...why was it deleted under G13? Thanks! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:49, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary and out of line comments

Those were some unnecessary and out of line comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#VisualEditor disabled. Please realize there is a long line of people wanting to use a bat on Oliver. If Oliver takes a bat to himself, we will lose out on the joy that bashing Oliver to a pulp would bring. Of course. me being 3rd in line has nothing to do with it. Bgwhite (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

You're right, I'm terribly ashamed. I did not intend to deprive others of their rightful turn to beat Oliver with a bat.--v/r - T P 23:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I've got something better than a bat. I've got a cluebat. :p—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 23:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

No, that wouldn't work. In order for a cluebat to work, there has to be a remote possibility that the batee is capable of having a clue. WMF lackeys and admins are unable to have a clue (or a brain). As Oliver falls into both categories, well, lets just say there is a reason for his drooling and incessant head banging. Bgwhite (talk) 04:46, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Freemasons discussion, explanation

An answer to your comment, "I don't understand why the level of sourcing is higher for this subject than what is required by policy". This is the explanation: it's the article itself that demands a higher-than-normal standard. From the lede of List of Freemasons (A - D): "Standards of "proof" for those on this list may vary widely; some figures with no verified lodge affiliation are claimed as Masons if reliable sources give anecdotal evidence suggesting they were familiar with the "secret" signs and passes, but other figures are rejected over technical questions of regularity in the lodge that initiated them. Where available, specific lodge membership information is provided; where serious questions of verification have been noted by other sources, this is also indicated." All the sources provided so far fall well below this standard.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I think "reliable sources give anecdotal evidence" is satisfied. However, are you arguing that "serious questions of verification have been noted by other sources" (italics mine obviously)? If so, which serious sources explicitly, and not implicitly by omission, question the verification?--v/r - T P 16:17, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

On a side note, do you speak Turkish? Can you give me a human translation of the part of [20] that you feel supposed your paraphrasing.--v/r - T P 16:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

The only anecdotal evidence so far comes from Andrew Mango's biography of Ataturk, where Ataturk's waiter claims he had admitted to being initiated in a masonic lodge. This is more than can be said about any of the other book sources brought forward so far, that only say that he was a Freemason (Ridley is citing Hamill and Gilbert, and I'm not counting The Complete Idiot's Guide). As for your request, I don't speak the language, so I can't be of any help. My paraphrasing was wholly based on the machine translation.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think, based on the machine translation, that your paraphrase was correct. Sanver isn't saying there isn't enough evidence that Ataturk was a mason, he's saying he doesn't know and that he hasn't seen the evidence.--v/r - T P 16:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

For your reference, this is how I read it:

Machine:

I really do not know ... For someone to say that either a Masonic lodge or lodges should be the name of the registry is written to a summary at the end of the meetings. Ataturk documents that we've got such a document does not exist. But while some of Europe Masonic historians Mason Mustafa Kemal listings are included in these masons. But I do not have such a document, unless there is? Do not know 'have to say.

My comprehension:

I don't really know. For someone to say that a masonic lodge should have their registry written at the end of their meetings [Unintelligible sentence]. The Ataturk documents that we've got say such a document does not exist [Referring to the unintelligible sentence]. But some historians believe Mustafa Ataturk is listed in these registries. But I do not have such a document; if it exists. I don't know what to say.

That's how I read it.--v/r - T P 16:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

This could be easily proven either way, by asking a translations from the guys at tr.wiki. But that is not a scholarly source, either, so it would not be enough to end the question, even if my paraphrasing is correct.

I had found another source, that similarly questioned the accuracy of these claims, from a certain Massimo Introvigne. The book is only available in snippet view, so here is the quote: "così Kemal fra i massoni famosi (cfr. per es. Gaudart de Soulages, Lamant e Hoffmeister 2005, 48), senza troppi approfondimenti. La questione è tuttavia più complessa, perché la loggia « Macedonia risorta » è stata accusata di avere arruolato a posteriori fra i suoi membri, con documentazione più o meno dubbia, diversi dirigenti dei Giovani Turchi che in realtà sembra" (the rest is cut off).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I can't see the relevance of that quote. But what you've just said supports Blueboar's argument. No "serious source" questions to anecdotal evidence. You yourself said these sources arn't strong. Or are you saying that while these sources are not good enough, they do hold equal weight to those provided by Blueboar in a kind of "zeroing out" sort of way?--v/r - T P 17:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Again, the only anecdotal evidence I see comes from Mango. Or did I miss something? As for your question, yes, if you hold that Ridley counts as reliable then so does this one, and they kind of zero each other out, as you put it, especially as the list makes no allowance for maybe-freemasons or conflicting sources.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying they're not; you're the one saying they are not. I'm trying to understand your point of view and where the requirement that sources must be scholarly because other sources omit opposition to the idea that Ataturk was a freemason came from.--v/r - T P 17:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

If you are not saying they're not reliable, doesn't it mean that you wouldn't support their inclusion in the list either way, because of the existence of similarly (un)reliable sources that claim otherwise? If you're not saying that, and I misunderstood you (quite possible, my understanding of English gets worse when I'm tired), is there any anecdotal evidence from sources other than Mango?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 17:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying anything, it's a mistake Paul B made as well. I'm trying to understand. Right now, Blueboar makes the most sense to me. I asked a series of questions about the requirement for scholarly sources and I feel like the response has been "because." What prompted the discussion to steer toward scholarly sources? Is there precedent or was it a tougher burden, tougher than WP:V, that could be placed on Blueboar with the intention of setting an unreachable bar? If it's the case, then it's deceptive and disingenuous. That sort of argument is a fallacy because it could raise the bar ad infinitum. If there is a reason for it, as I've asked, then there isn't a problem. I don't understand where the requirement for scholarly sources came from and why once it was mentioned that it was held so firm by all of the participants. The question has been avoided and I can't give weight to the WP:RSN discussion without knowing. Something is being held back from me and I'm being expected to trust the WP:RSN discussion on faith. So, where did the requirement for scholarly sources come from? Does it stem from your belief that "while these sources are not good enough, they do hold equal weight to those provided by Blueboar in a kind of 'zeroing out' sort of way?" That would require a higher level of sources when sources by non-experts are in dispute? I still argue the validity of some of the counter examples that you have provided, with the exception of the one Zero mentioned. But I am asking you if that's where the requirement for scholarly sources stems from. It's not a trap, I'm trying to understand your position which is better than you'll get from most people you'll ever have an argument with.--v/r - T P 17:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your constructive attitude. There are three reasons for asking for better sources than were provided. First, the list's own criteria is more stringent than normal: it demands either "verified lodge affiliation" or "anecdotal evidence suggesting they were familiar with the 'secret' signs and passes". In this case we obviously have neither. Second, many celebrities or famous historical personalities are claimed to have been Freemasons, often with scant or no evidence, which requires us to analyze these claims more carefully than assertions of other kinds. Third, masonic lodges often create lists of famous Freemasons, but there's no way to tell if they are based on historical records or research, or if the author half-remembers hearing the claim from the sister-in-law of a friend of his uncle.

An example: I removed Buzz Aldrin from the list, because his inclusion was supported only by a weak source. It was added back today, with four sources this time. The four sources are freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com, Phoenix Masonry, the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania, the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon. These claims could well be true, I don't know. But did any of Aldrin's biographers say he was a Freemason? And if not, isn't it strange that they all somehow overlooked this fact, and that it was only noticed by Freemasonry sources? The bar is not unreachable: in this case, a confirmation from a reputable newspaper or magazine, or from his biographers, or from a book about the moon landing would be sufficient. But not the website of the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon or Freemasonsfordummies.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 08:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, two questions. I feel like anecdotal evidence is a lesser demand than WP:V, so can you explain why you feel it's a higher demand? Also, why are the Masonic Lodges themselves not reliable sources about their own members?--v/r - T P 13:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Anecdotal evidence is (in this case) a higher standard because it requires the evidence coming from an anecdote ("the waiter of x said he admitted to being a freemason to him") rather than merely being verifiable ("x was a freemason"). In any case, I doubt that any article could accept lower standards than WP:V.

As for the second question, masonic lodges could be used as sources about their own members, not about the members of every masonic organization on earth. Aldrin is claimed to be a member of the Montclair Lodge, New Jersey, yet the sources come from unrelated lodges from Phoenix, Pennsylvania and British Columbia. So, in this case as well, they're not making claims about their own members, but about members of other masonic lodges in another state (or even country).--eh bien mon prince (talk) 13:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

"requires the evidence coming from an anecdote ("the waiter of x said he admitted to being a freemason to him") rather than merely being verifiable ("x was a freemason")" is a lower standard than WP:V but I digress. I didn't care about this issue when I started and I still can't seem to care about it now. I'm not sure if I see your point of view now, or if I just lack the energy to go over the sources again. Either way, I'm moving on. Good luck.--v/r - T P 13:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, in any case it seems like a proper source was finally found (though only for Ataturk). Good luck on your wiki-work!--eh bien mon prince (talk) 14:18, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

IRC

Meet me on IRC?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

At work.--v/r - T P 17:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit counter question

I have noticed the edit counter no longer reflects the deleted edits. Is this a bug to be fixed or has this become a lost capability? :) John Cline (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you want a hopeful answer or worst case scenario?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 21:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

topedits

Hi! Is there any way to use the Top Namespace Edits tool for other wikis than the English Wikipedia? (in the edit counter you can choose the project) If not, would it be possible to change that? Regards --Chricho ∀ (talk) 15:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Ping

I just noticed that your flipped the switch for my account. Thank you!--Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 16:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I need a favor

Could you copy the sitenotice.php file from /data/project/xtools/public_html, on labs, and place it in /home/tparis/public_html, on toolserver, for me?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Excuse he but e=why did you delete my article on Robert Cluett? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boiboy69 (talk • contribs) 00:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Tops in Blue

The lead for Tops in Blue needs either an update or possibly some slight rewriting. Tops in Blue was formed in 1953 and they have been performing for 57 years (60 years?). I was going to change 57 to 60, then thought it might be wise to discuss with you. If you changed it to "they have been performing for more than 60 years", the article would not require updating once a year. What do you think of the idea? By the way, they really are The Tops! I have seen them perform many times. Thank you for writing the article. Thank you for your service to our country! GBU and yours. From a very proud United States Air Force Veteran (disabled). I sign almost everything "Respectfully". This time I will follow your Talk Page guidelines. Very Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 03:53, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the support and your own service. Actually, I was watching Super Bowl XLV and Tops in Blue were singing the national anthem. With all the attention I figured the Superbowl article was receiving, and because TiB was linked there and the article looked like this, I figured it needed some serious immediate TLC. As far as the years, we can do that or we can use the {{age}} template.--v/r - T P 12:34, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt and very respectful response. The age template - yes! You will have to do it because I do not know how. Editing was my profession, but I made the decision to work on spelling and grammar because it gives me more time for computer games. Besides that, I will be 73 in a few weeks and my health is not the greatest, but pretty darn good for an old lady. My husband is a retired Chief and our combined military and Federal Civil Service is 63 years. I consider that a bragging right. I may contact you again because I would like to edit the article, Women in the Air Force. I was a WAF (Woman in the Air Force). The plural is made by changing Woman to Women. WAFs is incorrect but I can't find a source for it. Also, it was not a "program". WAF were members of the Regular Air Force. COI also applies, doesn't it? Wrote too much. We are at UTC -7. Very respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 13:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVII, June 2013

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Toothache from Asidiciale

It's a sock of Technoquat (talk · contribs), pure DUCK, CU will confirm - the user page of the socks are almost always the first edit, and almost always C&P from another user's page or an online biography from someone's home page etc. Then the MO is simply trolling at noticeboards and/or other users - Help Desk mainly in the past, not really seen much at ANI before. Number 57 (talk · contribs) was just the unlucky target this time, many other editors (AndyTheGrump (talk · contribs) comes to mind) have also been targeted in the past for no real reason. I think even Jimbo Wales (talk · contribs) got hit a few weeks back. Giant Snowman 16:37, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw you identified it on ANI. I hadn't seen that when I asked the question, I think I ec'd with you or something. I'm on a really slow - at times - connection.--v/r - T P 16:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

No problems, just thought I'd clarify! Giant Snowman 16:45, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Replying here so it doesn't get too off-topic

Although, as I said, I'd look into evidence more thoroughly if the subject actually came up, based on what I know right now I think I wouldn't support equal topic bans for both users. Arzel has been a POV warrior, unmitigated by contributions to articles or by attempts to get along well with others, over a broad range of political subjects for as long as I've known him and I'd hope for a long-term topic ban from politics, broadly defined. Casprings is quick on the revert button at the article, but has also done legitimate content creation and made a number of good-faith attempts to address the concerns of others, so if a topic ban is to be imposed on him, a shorter one that targets this article and related ones might be better. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

[21] has a great deal of discussion regarding the numerous topic bans proposed at one point ... I suggest the personae involved are pertinent to the discussion currently at hand. Too much of this is the same editors having the same personal animus that has been seen again and again on the drama boards, alas. Kindly note my consistent opposition to any topic ban on anyone there, period. Cheers. Collect (talk) 01:25, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I know quite a bit about Arzel, but not much about Casprings or the specific topic area. What I do see in the limited window that Casprings brought up in the thread is equal edit warring. I'm sure if I delved into the topic more, you might be right. I've topic banned Arzel before for POV pushing and I'm certainly not his fan. But Casprings also needs to realize that being right doesn't make him exempt and that's why I'm trying to get through to him. Maybe you can help him understand that edit warring isn't the solution.--v/r - T P 01:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

OK, I'll give it a try. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:17, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Hey Tom, dunno if you saw my apology for being snarky the other day, had a crappy day and was just miffed. Sorry again. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I did, we're fine, don't worry about it.--v/r - T P 14:08, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Page protection

Hi. A few days ago (22 June, 21:28) you semi-protected my Talk page. Thanks for that, it saves me a lot of work. However, now the vandalism is spilling over to my userpage. So if you wouldn't mind.... Cheers, Yintan 21:15, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Done.--v/r - T P 00:00, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Yintan 08:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Please restore flag -- not inactive

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

I am not an inactive account creator. It's only been maybe a couple of weeks since I used it. I am a moderately active account creator. Please restore my flag. ● Thane — formerly Guðsþegn 21:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

They've suspended your account and a new RFC that passed said only active accounts get the flag. If you get your account restored, I'll restore the flag.--v/r - T P 23:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

My account was not suspended. I created two accounts using the ACC toolserver just a couple of hours ago. ● Thane — formerly Guðsþegn 00:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to check it. ● Thane — formerly Guðsþegn 00:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

BTW, do you remember me? We drove around SA taking pictures for Wikipedia last September. ● Thane — formerly Guðsþegn 00:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, of course I remember you. It clicked when I saw your signature :P. Now that your active again, I'll retst...fuck spelling I'm a bit drunk, I'll go add the right.--v/r - T P 01:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. Maybe we can all do the picture-taking thing again, before it gets too too hot. ● Thane — formerly Guðsþegn 01:45, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Reset

I wouldn't mind hitting reset and having both the ANI and RfC closed. If you feel you would be of any assistance in helping to find compromise on the talk page, I would welcome that.Casprings (talk) 01:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind helping. I only warn you that I'm a bit vocal about my thoughts as you can see. But I'm not against you and I'm not against Arzel. I'm a Libertarian so I lean toward Democrat/Liberal viewpoints on Sex, Aboration and Rape. If you'd like my help, I'll give it. If not, I'll not be offended, we had a quite heated exchange. But I do honestly think that you should at least give a shot at trying to make friends with Arzel. My life experience has led me to find that my opponents are usually my intellectual equals and I enjoy the debates we have. I strongly recommend you reach out to the guy. If nothing else, strike some kind of bargain where you two can talk without judgement in the hopes of finding common ground. I can also recommend a slew of other administrators or even other editors who can help you in this area. Roscelese, for instance, has quite a bit of experience in the subject. She's not had the easiest ride, but she has managed navigate the rough seas.--v/r - T P 02:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I won't say that I don't have concerns about your basis. I am also in the military, and have at least some experience with the Air Force. I know it, along with the rest of the military, is conservative. However, given that you do have a slight bais(you think of it as libertarian) and Wikipedia has made you an administrator, that tells me you are a good person to help.

And on a personal note, I would at least consider the full name and info on the bio page. One, this is a hobby for me and I don't care. I can't say I am not moderate(which makes me extreme left in the military), but you never know who you are going to come across that dislikes your views are your editing. What interests me is getting a controvoral article to FA status, not so much the content. That said, people do know who you are and wearing the uniform in the picture gives a certain impression, even if you do state that you do not represent the views of DOD. Even if that impression is only to the American people. Oh, for the days of George Marshall....Casprings (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

sorry for any bad grammar errors. Writing on a cell phone.Casprings (talk) 12:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Hiding gross personal attack

Hi, TParis! Could you please take a look at this edit and see if it's possible to hide it? It is a gross, disturbing personal attack. Surtsicna (talk) 22:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Done.--v/r - T P 22:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Surtsicna (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the question at WP:AN

Hi Tom, I phrased it as a hypothetical at AN because I viewed it as a systemic question, and because I did not want to duplicate an open discussion on a particular user. I didn't see an e-mail address for you, so I'll provide the links to the examples on which I based the question here: the archived ANI report is here and the recently-retrieved-from-the-archive ANI report is here. Even as recently as yesterday, interactions with others get results like this edit summary [22]. Yet the report has been open since June 21 with no action taken. So, that's the background context on which I based the hypothetical question. Regards -- Taroaldo ✉ 03:41, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Per your suggestion

Per your suggestion to read your article on ANI Advice: I read about three lines of it, looked at the photo and the caption, and decided that reading any more was a waste of time. Above, here on your talk page, you have written "Please assume good faith in my edits". There's no good faith in your article, and there was no good faith in you jumping to conclusions regarding my reverts at the Dimensionaut article. Even after I tried to explain things had already been dealt with, you returned with more evidence that you weren't going to even consider having good faith with me. Directing me to your insulting and dismissive article was lack of good faith. Especially considering one of the opening statements. "If you want your thread to be successful so you can obliterate your enemies". Apparently, you wanted me to read that article based on your assumption I see Spanglej as an enemy who should be obliterated. How insulting. And completely wrong. It's no wonder new editors in Wikipedia are at an all time low and others are leaving post haste. It's the kind of crappy attitude and bad faith you display in the article as well as what you barfed at me in ANI that makes Wikipedia appear to be a very unfriendly place. I understand that Administrators get cranky and have seen a lot of garbage from various editors over time -- that would certainly lead to a callous attitude. But not everyone deserves that callousness. Good faith is quickly becoming a joke and just words (maybe it's already at that point). Your article is clear evidence of it, sad to say. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 02:08, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

What are you hoping to accomplish with this message?--v/r - T P 02:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Merely letting you know I think you seriously jumped the gun and were wrong to not assume good faith. It's one of the pillars, it's what you ask others to do. I just don't understand why you thought I needed berating when all I did was come to ANI for some assistance and hopefully some constructive and informed advice. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 02:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you realize the one of the most often failures of good faith is accusing others of failing to assume good faith? I'm brash, but I'm not mean-spirited. Don't confuse honesty with bad faith. And thanks for the feedback, I always take feedback into consideration. Now if you will, kindly find something else to do other than talk to me until you're ready to hear truths.--v/r - T P 02:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Brash is one thing, you were just wrong. And now you're just being intentionally rude. Whatever. I now know what administrator to never come to for help or advice. Thanks for narrowing down the field. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 02:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you won't understand how right I was. There is nothing that Administrators can do for you, you're in a content dispute. One which you are losing, by the way. You've reverted the same content 6 times in a month. Ed let you off easy. Why? I don't know, but it's his prerogative. It doesn't make me wrong that Ed handled it differently, it makes me different. Nor does it make you right that you escaped a block, it makes you lucky that the administrator you received that day was in forgiving mood. No one on ANI is going to spend their time on a content dispute. That's why no one is taking notice to your reports. You're in the wrong place, you should be at WP:DRN. Had you read my essay, it would've dawned on you why administrators arn't going to get involved. If you want to go to another administrator, that is of course fine by me. There are well over a thousand active administrators and my pride isn't hurt any. But being that I'm the only one who bothered to even comment should clue you in that this isn't an "administrative" issue. We are tool wielders. The term "Administrators" is only a word for us in the technical sense. We don't run Wikipedia. What you need is dispute resolution and consensus and currently the consensus is against you. So again, put the revert button away (I'm sorry, did I offend you again?) and engage is dispute resolution. And if and when it doesn't go your way, get over it and move on. Knock off the ANI reports. They'll go nowhere. Especially if you get upset when an administrators tells you so. Since you couldn't resist the urge to respond to me the first time I gently asked you to leave, I assume you're still watching my talk page. So anything else I can help you with?--v/r - T P 02:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

xLabs

I haven't seen you there in a while. I know you've been busy with real life, but I was wondering if I can quickly chat with you over there. :-)—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 14:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not at home and I have a family thing as soon as I get home tonight. Could you email me about it?--v/r - T P 14:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Or if you have gmail, we can use gchat.--v/r - T P 14:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I have gmail, but I don't like using it. I'll just email you.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 14:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Eat this! MONGO 18:55, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks MONGO ;).--v/r - T P 19:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I prefer steaks but all they had available was this cheeseburger thingee.--MONGO 19:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Well I am of age and I know there is a {{wikiLove-pint}} template ;) --v/r - T P 19:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Qwerfjkl (bot) has given you a tall pint! Pints promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tall pint, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Here you go.^†

And because I am German, how about some Amber Weizen?—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 03:39, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:AN

[23]

Please, wait until your fellow admins explain you what was wrong with the “ANI notice”. Glad to have acquaintance with you ;) but now it’s night in my city, sorry. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 19:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Uh huh. Good night.--v/r - T P 19:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

TP, I don't think we've ever crossed paths before, but I saw your very nice comments at AN. I'm just writing to let you know that I just became aware Incnis Mrsi's allegation that I defaced someone's user page, and your exchange with him about it. I know that when you hear what actually happened, you'll fully realize Incnis's deception, and his motives for supporting the proposed sanctions at AN. I posted the comments in the AN discussion, but didn't know if you'd see them because it's buried in the middle of the entire thread. I honestly was shocked to see the extent to which Incnis attempted to deceive you about that "deface" issue. If you want a shorter version of what really happened, just read this entire exchange between admin Drmies and Incnis (and Sitush). I just wanted you to know the truth. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 08:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I know what happened, I wanted to see Incnis Mrsi get on his high horse and arrogantly point out that it was a user page as if mistakes don't happen so I could slap him down with a "So what?". We haven't crossed paths but I've read your comment before. You'd face less animosity if you registered an account. If I can make a suggestion, if you do register an account then avoid the noticeboards and controversial for awhile.--v/r - T P 12:45, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi TP. I think that someone who's been caught blatantly lying in order to destroy someone's reputation, particularly where santion voting is happening, that editor should not only be banned from the discussion, but also blocked for a bit. It's outrageous how he completely tried to deceive you. But now, all his attacks throughout that discussion remain, even though his motives have now been revealed. Anyway, thank you for the advice. I appreciate it. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

He's a Wiki-dick (you can comment in the up-coming ANI thread about this 'personal attack' next, as he is surely watching my talk page). He runs around and tries to make himself better than others. Had I been in the conversation earlier, I'd have nipped this in the butt. But now the conversation is too far along to change the course now. I'm going to see if I can't nudge a few people into retracting their !votes.--v/r - T P 13:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

It is not true. I am not a dick, and one can convince me that I made a mistake relatively easy. What is true is that I have a hatred for social beings in Wikipedia. And this wasn’t by no means started from my quarrel with 76.189.109.155 and his then-enablers in May. This already existed many years ago, when I edited another wikipedia. Generally, a person who improves encyclopedia is my friend, and persons who create a social-networking stuff, as well as theirs enablers, are my foes. There is nothing personal about it, guys. Have a nice day, and try to edit articles sometimes. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 13:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

If it's true that you can be convinced, then sit on your ass for a moment because I'm compiling diffs of exactly how your behavior caused this mess.--v/r - T P 13:59, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

LoL… you’ll likely find a conspiracy against cable modems’ users, directed and financed by rival ISPs who bribed several sysops of en.wikipedia to maintain unbearable conditions for Time Warner’s IP users in Wikipedia. Incnis Mrsi is, obviously, anything else but an elite sock of conspirators created by acquisition of an account of a retired user of ru.wikipedia. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

ANEW

Can you look at this? It was declined by the same admin who started the AN. And look at the bogus reason for the decline. The reverts were on my talk page. I'd like it decided, but I'd be totally satisfied if you or another admin would simply educate the reported editor on the following three simple things: (1) That 5 reverts in an hour is edit warring. The edtior's excuse is that because it was 3 reverts of one item and 2 of another, it doesn't count as edit warring. (2) That a user editing their own talk page is not vandalism. They insist that my relocating the IP template on my talk page qualifies as vandalism. (3) That an IP template is not, as he described it, an "established vandal static IP address maintenance template". How/why are editors like this allowed to perform functions like that when they clearly don't know what they're doing? Haha. The editor refuses to read the relevant policies on 3RR, NOT3RR, and vandalism. So if you could set them straight, that would be great. I don't even care about the ANEW being decided if you could do that (although it should have been decided). Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 14:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Now is the time to do things to deescalate the situation, not enflame it.--v/r - T P 15:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I understand. I simply want someone to educate the edtior on what 3RR and vandalism are and are not. I have a sense it may be a kid, which makes it even more important to teach them. If you'll explain it, it'll put an immediate end to the situation. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 15:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I B Wright has responded kindly and taken my concerns about the sanctions seriously and I don't want ruin that by starting another confrontation. One matter at a time.--v/r - T P 15:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

You're a terrific guy. Really. Sadly, though, I B Wright still has no idea that their five reverts constituted edit warring nor that editing one's own talk page is not vandalism. And it would be nice if your beautiful comments about that template would go to Toddst1, who put it there, and Bbb23 who defended him putting it there. I even talked to Bbb about it. Keep in mind when you read it that we were on very friendly terms at the time. Even though I knew Todd put that template back on my page simply to spite me, I told Bbb that I would be fine with keeping if I could just not have it at the top of the page. We were on very good terms and I didn't want to put him in a bad position with Todd, so I said fine I'll keep it, just don't object to my moving it down. (WP:BLANKING says nothing about it having to be at the top.) But, yeah, my talk page obviously didn't need that template based on the circumstances. Btw, I B Wright didn't even !vote at AN; just insulted me a few times. Haha. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

You gotta understand how your own mannerisms contribute though. Being right isn't always the most important thing. Your argument could be right and your approach is wrong. You found the airport, but the runway is on the other side and you're about to crash in the dirt. Right now, the appropriate thing to do is for me to explain to them where their actions contributed to this mess and for me to explain to you how your approach contributed. Wikipedia isn't about winning. You'll not get points for being right. We're a collaborative environment and when you say things like "Haha" about other's failures, it hurts that collaboration. Above all, the encyclopedia itself is the most important and the collaboration to achieve it is second. Even if you are right, if you're a threat to that collaboration then one way or another you'll be asked to leave the project. What this comes down to is that I've put forward the suggestion of you being mentored and it seems that may get turned around on me. I'm willing to mentor you if you are, but we're going to have to get straight right now that your approach needs to be fine tuned. If you can at least meet me at that line, I'm willing to work with you.--v/r - T P 16:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

You do what you feel is best, TP. But I see that I B Wright has just posted more nonsense at ANEW. Please, read it. And if you don't want to educate him/her on 3RR and vandalism and why "declined" isn't the same as "no violation", so that they won't keep doing this reverting crap to other editors, then I will deal with it myself. I'm totally looking to deescalate that situation and end it, which is something you could do immediately with that editor. I mean, I should be insisting that my report be looked at and decided, not dumped simply because it's 'that IP being reported at AN'. If I were registered I wouldn't even be at AN right now. And if at some point I decide to register, and participate in the same manner, no one will even give me a second look, because IPs just automatically carry that stigma. But I'm done editing after these final issues are resolved. My wife wants to know why there aren't more admins like you. I told her it's because you get premium pay for being so fair and reasonable. Haha. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 16:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm already talking about it with I B Wright on MrX's talk page. There is a certain benefit to letting things go when the long term result has better results that the short term. I'd suggest not handling anything right now. I can't help you if you make it worse for me.--v/r - T P 16:43, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to say another word on any of those pages, including AN. I'm backing out. :) --76.189.109.155 (talk) 16:56, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Poke

Hello, you got the talk page, but the user page has the same content. Rgrds. --64.85.214.47 (talk) 15:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've taken care of it.--v/r - T P 15:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kelapstick 2

Hi TParis, I gotta run and am not very smart--so could you maybe hat all the comments on Kiefer's question below your own remark? I think that's fair. Drmies (talk) 18:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Dennis got to it first.--v/r - T P 18:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Then he gets your bonus. Since it's the Fourth tomorrow, the bonus is paid out in bacon and sausages. Drmies (talk) 22:08, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Hat

TP, you can hat it if you want. I don't know how. But contrary to what you said ("This probably felt good to say"), it is very much the opposite. I'd think you of all people would understand that. But there's no way I'm going to stand by at look at all this trash-talking about me, and a list of quotes presented in a hostile manner, and not respond. And with the huge number of assaults on me, it clearly can't be responded to in a brief manner. In terms of those who wanted to sanction and humiliate me, it makes absolutely no difference one way or the other whether I respond or not. None of them will ever change their minds no matter what I say. You do realize that, right? And, as I said, I will not be editing anyway once this is over. You are not afraid to stand up to a hostile crowd. And neither am I. I've done nothing that warrants any sanctions, let alone these ridiciulous ones being proposed, so I want my thoughts on the record. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

And don't forget, the outcome of the discussion (as far as the creators are concerned) was pre-determined. Sort of like professional wrestling. But mostly like a kangaroo court. ;) --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Errr... you were the creator ... the person who started the thread was merely the reporter. I had zero to do with its creation or starting, other than be a victim. Please tell me you're not trying to claim that your own actions were not what has led you to where you are now? (✉→BWilkins←✎) 18:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

The most disappointing part is that most of the folks involved, including yourself (76.189), are not terrible people and it's a shame that the paths have led this direction. In my experience, the admins you have your chief complaint about are good people. Bwilkins, Bbb23, Dennis, Toodst1, ect. I don't understand what caused you and them to have bad interactions but it's not that I am "not afraid" to stand up to them, it's that I respect them enough to do it. In any case, I'm going to hat that message and anyone who wants to read it can expand it.--v/r - T P 18:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Bwilkins, I'm surprised you actually thought it was a good idea to start with me on TP's talk page? And let's be honest; no matter what I said at AN, it wouldn't have made one bit of difference. And you saying, "It probably felt as good as his false claim of apologizing - which he most definitely has never done" is among the most outrageous, and false, statements in the entire discussion. Obviously, you want to ignore this, this, this, and this. Or you're trying to make me look even worse than I already do. Which one is it? By making that statement, you simply proved my overall point even more that the result was pre-determined, so I'm actually glad you posted it. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:36, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank You For Your Service

TP -- I just wanted to drop a short note to thank you for your service. It probably shouldn't take a holiday like today to elicit such a message, but thank you none the less. Lettik (talk) 13:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the support :) --v/r - T P 15:07, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I'll be spending my holiday getting my bot up to snuff and resuming the migration to labs.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 15:08, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey TP

I noticed you were in the Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles category. Is there any stipulations to what one could request a copy of? I was hoping to gnab a copy of BoltWire. Purely for science reasons... :p Happy Independence Day. — -dainomite 21:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, cancel that request... I hadn't realized that category meant undeletion of an article... go me

— -dainomite 21:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Feedback

Hi TP. You are more than welcome to comment here. But do read it carefully first - some people have already tried turning it into a pre-debate on the issue which not even the draft itself is intended to address! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Asiana Airlines Flight 214

I was about to just revert your posting, but I'm going to give you the opportunity to do it yourself. At ITN/C, people generally will comment on the notability of the story (as I did). But there is an understanding that, regardless of how newsworthy the story is, it needs to be updated. The Asiana Airlines Flight 214 article is not yet up to quality standards. I'm sure, with some time, it will be, but we need to wait for that. So, I request that you please remove the item from ITN until it's a bit more informative. -- tariqabjotu 20:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough.--v/r - T P 20:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you have some time?

To look into this, something you have seen earlier(it will come down to that again), and you at least seem to know what to do - noticing the earlier close of an ANI involving similar background of issues. A m i t ❤ 18:52, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems the OP needed to read my new essay WP:ANI Advice. Bbb23 has closed the thread.--v/r - T P 19:22, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Well atleast something good came out of me reaching you here on the talk page - that is quite an essay :-) A m i t ❤ 19:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

20,000 Edits

Congrats on your 20,000th edit. :-)—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 23:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Toolserver redirect

Hello, could you add in your .htaccess a redirect from all X! tools in your Toolserver home to Tool Labs' new location, as Magnus did with his tools? This will help prevent linkrot. Regards, Nemo 11:03, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Already aware. He hasn't had the time to make the redirects yet.—cyberpower ^Chat_Offline 11:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

76 close

"TParis has mounted a spirited defence and has some supporters, and he has a point that there has been some baiting of the IP; but on the principal issue he has not made many converts. I find that there is a consensus for Proposal 2."

The closer wrote "on the principal issue he has not made many converts", but didn't specify what that issue was. Also, the closer seems to be focused on how many "supporters" and "converts" your arguments gained, isn't that head counting? Also, isn't it the burden of those wanting to impose sanctions, to demonstrate their case? Your arguments examined for solid evidence and diffs offered to support sanctions, and you found them lacking. So what solid arguments, evidence, or diffs swayed the closer in favor of Proposal 2 sanctions? The only plurality I saw smacked of clear prejudice (for example, arguments like "Dennis's patience", and Kudpung's contributions, having nothing to do with arguments for or against sanctions -- just pure ad hominem, or off-topic). So I have no idea what the closer "tallied". Do you? Thanks, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

There is only so much that can be done. I made my case and by the !votes afterwards, it doesn't appear it was solidly convincing. The sanctions arn't harsh and 76.* doesn't intend to edit anymore anyway. Only so much a person can do and stay sane.--v/r - T P 01:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

You weren't invited to this conversation Incnis Mrsi. Take your drive-by despicable shit somewhere else.

@TParis, right, understood, but the "diffs" offered by the sanctioning side were crap, and I thought evaluation of the thread was suppposed to be made by quality of the arguments, not a count of !votes!? User 76 said he doesn't intend to edit, and with an AN like that, I can see why he would not want to return. (Contrawise, more logic and less "lynch" might have impressed him enough to perhaps want to return as contributing editor, someday.)

On another topic, the close by Admin Toddst1, where he was both INVOLVED and the sanction drafter, was amazing abuse of admin power to watch. So you did a good thing by going to his Talk and bitching at him for it. (Notice in addition how he tried to put the responsibility for his closing action on *you*.) Without your going to his user Talk, I would have done it myself. (Questioning his circumventing policy.) And surely he would have treated me, as a mere content contributor not an admin, even more rudely than he treated you. There is *no doubt* that admin knew he was breaching protocol as well as standard simple WP policy, but he just didn't give a fuck. (His opinion and foresight, presumaby, are omniscient.) Pure and simple example of abuse by an Admin. If that admin doesn't give a rip about WP policy, what other policies does he feel his opinions and wants supercede?? When or how can the community deal with a rogue admin such as this?? Thx, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't hold it against Todd. I'm not sure why he thought he could close that thread at the time, but once I pointed it out he backed off and admitted it was an inappropriate involved close. I think he felt that closing a thread wasn't an "admin action" and by pointing out in WP:CBAN that it was, he realized his mistake. Todd is generally a good admin, in my experience, and I think the heat in that thread clouded many judgements. As far as the close, yes the argument is supposed to be weighed. But it's not about "Does the argument convince the closer," the question when determining consensus is "Does the argument persuade others?" and in this case my arguments only persuaded about half the folks who came afterwards. The real victory is that Incnis Mrsi wasn't able to steam roll 76.189 and got an earful about his own behavior. The thin line that the thread closed on should clue Incnis on to the fact that he contributed and his own behavior was a detriment to his cause to have 76.189 sanctioned. I'm not sure I've ever meet another Wikipedian who so arrogantly flaunted their MMORPG behavior before as Incnis does. The sanctions are only for three months though and I suspect we won't see 76.189 before then.--v/r - T P 12:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

IRC

I've been wondering that myself? More specifically, since I've always known you to act responsibly, I'm wondering why you participated in such an exchange? In your case, as far as I know, it seems our of character ... inquiring minds want to know how/why this sort of thing happens, because it is disgusting regardless of the particulars involved. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:49, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Ironholds and I generally tend to insult each other to a small degree on IRC, just the nature of our friendship. My comments were turning Ironholds own comments toward himself and were unrelated to Kiefer who knows I have respect for him. I hadn't even known it was these comments that were at the center of the Arbcom case even after I looked at it days ago. At the time, I was giving Ironholds a hard time for not revdeleting right and his comments seemed to me directed more at me than at Kiefer; or at least that was my perception of the context at the time. I just shrugged it off as playful banter. I wasn't aware there was anything else brewing.--v/r - T P 17:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know ... I have been much (understatement alert) too busy in real life to follow closely, but was surprised to see your name wrapped up in that ugliness. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

What do you think?

What do you think about this? Please help expand/correct. A m i t ❤ 18:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

You might look into things like customer relations and business professionalism and adapt those ideas to Wiki-culture. I like the essay, though, it's a good start.--v/r - T P 18:54, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree, I added some stuff more to the essay, might need to put some more thought on the content though, this is what I just could get out in half hour of spare time from my work... A m i t ❤ 20:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

UTRS

I think it's time for migration of UTRS to labs. _→AzaToth 20:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree but I've been told to standby because WMF is trying to work out some legal/privacy issues. Waiting on User:DeltaQuad to discuss this with them. As I understand it, these issues are related to why ACC hasn't moved yet as well.--v/r - T P 20:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok I see. Are you in position to go into detail what kind of legal/privacy issues we are talking about? _→AzaToth 21:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

If I knew, apparently only DeltaQuad and the legal team know. I spoke to User:Stwalkerster, the lead dev on ACC, and he isn't even aware other than that DeltaQuad is supposedly handling it.--v/r - T P 21:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey AzaToth and others, right now I'm waiting on hearing back from legal on a few points, and I just made some internal pokes again. The nature of the things we are waiting on is 1) approval of the current project privacy policies to be in line with US law instead of EU law 2) To be exempted from posting a tl;dr legal disclaimer on the front page of people requesting an account or unblock (because in my mind it would scare people away from requesting unblock or an account) 3) Extending the data removal limit now that we are back in the states under US law 4) The biggest blocker of all, is if we need to have a legal disclaimer screen that people are leaving Wikipedia like legal was requesting from us, all before we move to labs. This is probably not the full list of what I still have to talk to them about either, I just scanned my last email to them. We also were talking about an information session with the legal team, which was in the works last time we talked, but both sides got busy and were not able to do it in the scheduled time frame. I've been trying to get that session going since. If you have any more questions, please add my username in link format so the notifications system pings me to here since I'm not as active on wiki during this summer, but i'm still watching my emails. Also, cross ping Stwalkerster. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 20:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

N8VEM

Hi,

I'm contacting you related to the N8VEM article. This article was removed on June 6, 2012. If I understand the process, I think you were the administrator that finalized the deletion of the article after review. I also understand that it is most appropriate to contact you as the first step to request reinstatement based on new developments.

There has recently been significant new public exposure of the N8VEM project and I am suggesting that the article be reinstated to allow for it to be updated and reconsidered. Among the new exposure is a series of print media articles in a well-known, long running publication (Circuit Cellar).

Thank you for your consideration.

Wayne Warthen 15:13, 17 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayne Warthen (talk • contribs)

Could you show me snippets of the print articles? Perhaps a photograph of the first few lines of the articles along with information about the publisher, editorial, author, and issue?--v/r - T P 15:18, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I can get some screen shots of the online version of the magazine. I'm not sure how to include them here though... What is the best way to get them to you? Thanks for the fast response. --Wayne Warthen 15:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayne Warthen (talk • contribs)

If you can just give me a link to them, that'll work. Please remember to sign your posts by appending them with --~~~~.--v/r - T P 16:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, a link it not possible because this is a subscription magazine (you would need to pay for a subscription). Sorry for the trouble. By the way, I am signing with --~~~~, but it always comes out as unsigned. Can you tell me what I am doing wrong??? Thanks! --Wayne Warthen 16:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

You might want to check your signature settings in your preferences. Often subscription services offer non-paywall exerpts, can you show me any of those?--v/r - T P 16:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Here is a link to the teaser on their site: http://circuitcellar.com/?s=n8vem. For whatever reason, my signature worked the last time. Not sure what I did differently. Thanks. --Wayne Warthen 16:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayne Warthen (talk • contribs)

You took the links out for your userpage and user talk page from your signature which tricks the bot into thinking you havent signed.--v/r - T P 17:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've reviewed your source and I think that with the new source and the bit-tech article justifies restoring this article which had a very weak consensus at AfD to delete in the first place.--v/r - T P 17:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I will make sure the new magazine article is added to the Wikipedia article soon. I will also see what I did to mess up my signature and fix that. --Wayne Warthen 19:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayne Warthen (talk • contribs)

YGM

Ish dar ian 02:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Toolserver article revision statistics suggestion

I see you're on a temporary WikiBreak, so I hope you can respond to this when you're back. I was suggesting if you could add to the article revision statistics tool the percentage of edits in an article by a particular user (similar to this tool, but showing everyone's statistics for a particular user, instead of just one user). Also, the Wikimedia Labs version of the edit counter links to wiki.org instead of Wikipedia. Hope that helped. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 16:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Bug fixed.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement - 22 July 2013 to 28 July 2013

This week's article for improvement is
Architect
Please be bold and help improve it!

posted by Northamerica1000^(talk) 11:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: Moral clarity

That article is a coatrack for conservative bashing.

It definitely has issues. I would recommend a redirect/merge to the book, Why We Fight: Moral Clarity and the War on Terrorism or a new merge to William J. Bennett#Political viewpoints. It might be helpful to bring up the issue with its creator, User:Populus. Viriditas (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry TParis, I didn't intend to spam you (per revision history for this page). Just intended to send an invite for TAFI, in efforts to recruit for the project. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying your banned from my talk page, but what I am saying is that I am not as enthusiastic about the things you are and when I ignored it the first time you sent out a mass message about the articles for improvement, an action that I feel is rooted in my concerns with your other behaviors, I ignored it because it was a one time event and not worth making a stink over. The second time, I figured someone must have said something to you already about an opt in and I'd again ignore your message. But the third time was completely unnecessary and symptomatic of the first message. I received emails for each of these telling me to come check my talk page. So, in the future, please limit contact between us to necessary and important. I've managed to avoid you and leave you alone, despite my strong objections to your editing habits, and I'd appreciate it if you'd make the same effort to avoid me.--v/r - T P 15:46, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXVIII, July 2013

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Interview: What Wikimedia chapters can offer military history editors

Redact

This is just a heads up that I redacted the word "clearly" in the Men's Right's movement log here. It was brought up in the ANI as the two admins involved had an objection to it as insulting and I didn't recall much opposition by you to their argument about how they perceived the word so I didn't feel it's be controversial to redact it.--v/r - T P 18:46, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there was any discussion at ANI about my comment on the log there; I believe it was only about my comment on User talk:Pudeo. The suggestion from Bwilkins that my words there were "insulting" was repeatedly and strongly rejected by myself and a few others. As for the wording on the Article probation page, I have no objection to removing the word "clearly" there (written in a slightly different context) if KC and Bwilkins don't want the constant reminder of their assumption of bad faith. However, if you do so, I'd prefer you just remove the word rather than replace it with the {{redacted}} template, which gives the impression that I said something far less innocuous than what I said and encourages people to find out what the "offending" remark was. -- tariqabjotu 21:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, TParis. You have new messages at Malik Shabazz's talk page.
Message added 01:33, 31 July 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Deletion

Why have you deleted the page "Tobin Koshy"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobinkoshy (talk • contribs) 09:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

in spite of the message...

unfortunately, i do not have IRC access at the moment.

when using the editcount tool from hewiki, we see the count and the diagram, but at the top of the page there is some script error report: Warning: syntax error, unexpected '=' in Unknown on line 33 in /data/project/xtools/public_html/phptemp/PHPtemp.php on line 75 Warning: array_merge(): Argument #2 is not an array in /data/project/xtools/public_html/phptemp/PHPtemp.php on line 75 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /data/project/xtools/public_html/phptemp/PHPtemp.php on line 79 Warning: syntax error, unexpected '=' in Unknown on line 33 in /data/project/xtools/public_html/phptemp/PHPtemp.php on line 75 Warning: array_merge(): Argument #2 is not an array in /data/project/xtools/public_html/phptemp/PHPtemp.php on line 75 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /data/project/xtools/public_html/phptemp/PHPtemp.php on line 79 דוד שי - {#tool#} - X!'s tools

this is the link.

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm on a road trip right now, I can't look at this until at least the 20th.--v/r - T P 17:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

hmmm.... is there anyone else that can look at it? is the code available (i assume it is - the question is really "where"...).

worst comes to worst, it can wait - after all, the tool itself works, error message and all.

peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 17:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the TPL file got damaged. I'll see it I can fix it in the next week.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 12:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

X tools fixes

I'm saluting to you, soldier! <o How can I fix some bugs in X's tools at tool labs? Is there a repo anywhere (preferrably git/gerrit)? — Wizardist ^{t +c} 11:14, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No. The repo is not setup. As the lead maintainer of the code, I will be happy to address the bugs for you.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 11:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, the bug itself: DB names and site codes have a very small but a very significant difference - DBs come with underscores (_), and site codes come with hyphens (-). This issue is not covered in the tools thus having such links as be_x_old.wikipedia.org, bat_smg.wikipedia.org, Chinese ones, etc. — Wizardist ^{t +c} 15:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Huh? The DBs are correct. Can you clarify?—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 15:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Just open this link (sorry for linking to toolserver, is tool labs down at the moment?). You'll get what am I talking about. (Hint: see the links.) — Wizardist ^{t +c} 20:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll work on a fix.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

error at wmlabs X! tools counter

Hello, Sharihareswara (WMF) suggested that I post this error on your talk page. It was affecting me and other users that for whom I was running count queries. The problem seems to be repaired now but perhaps you can use this information in the future. Thanks for your good work!
Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'enwiki.labsdb' (110) in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 62 Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 63 Warning: mysql_real_escape_string() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 117 Warning: mysql_query() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 83 Warning: mysql_errno() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 85 Warning: mysql_error() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 100 Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 129 Warning: mysql_real_escape_string() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 117 Warning: mysql_query() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 83 Warning: mysql_errno() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 85 Warning: mysql_error() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 100 Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 129 Notice: Undefined offset: 0 in /data/project/xtools/public_html/pcount/counter.php on line 119 Warning: mysql_real_escape_string() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 117 Warning: mysql_query() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 83 Warning: mysql_errno() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 85 Warning: mysql_error() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/counter_commons/Database.php on line 100 Warning: mysql_fetch_assoc() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /data/project/xtools/public_html/pcount/counter.php on line 198
- tucoxn\^talk 23:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

This was a labs problem. Nothing that can be done.—cyberpower ^Chat_Online 17:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

"No baiting"

You are correct that there was no baiting when you blocked me. There was only Your gross negligence and abuse of admin tools. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I seriously doubt you have any serious intention to discuss the matter, so I'll let the personal attack stand and you can be on your way.--v/r - T P 01:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You raised the issue. I had long moved on from this. If you're going to bring it up I don't think it's asking too much to present it entirely and honestly. There was no debate over accessing a voluntarily lowered paywall, which I agreed was obviously fine. The debate was over the morality of illegally circumventing a paywall. So on that issue you were just plain wrong. And there was a lot more that you conveniently neglected to add. You neglected to add that the IP was using the VP as a soapbox, ranting how "paywalls suck" and encouraging people to circumvent them by any means. I was not the first editor to notice and hat the soapboxing; the IP's presence there was not entirely altruistic, as you have attempted to infer. You also neglected to add that you were involved in the thread, calling me "an embarrassment", while thanking the IP. I know you're never going to admit that it was a bad block; I've heard all the wikilawyering about how his edits technically didn't meet the letter of WP:VANDAL, and how you were "involved" but technically not WP:INVOLVED. It's your right to dig in your heels and insist you were right, but not to cherry-pick and omit facts in an attempt to convince others of the same. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

There is a blank section on the RFC/U, titled "Response", reserved specially for you.--v/r - T P 01:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

He's refused to defend himself, and he obviously isn't going to stop personally attacking you or other editors. According to a posting he made at Starblind's talk page, he thinks this RfC is a "comedy", and fails to realize the gravity of what he did, or that all participants, in one manner or another, find his actions deplorable. He doesn't seem to realize that, when the RfC closes, it will close as "there is consensus Joe did bad things", a lot more editors are going to monitor his edits, and with that outcome, the likelihood of him being blocked for edit-warring or personally attacking people is relatively high. p b p 19:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Just let it happen naturally. If Joe doesn't change, the RFC/U will be brought to the attention of ANI and he'll be sanctioned. It's better if you just let it happen on it's own and avoided Joe for now.--v/r - T P 19:40, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXIX, August 2013

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Articles: Last month's new Featured and A-Class content
Book reviews: Nick-D looks at the death of Osama bin Laden
Op-ed: Sturmvogel_66 presents his secrets of prolific contribution

Hubris

Your unconscionable hubris will be your downfall. With the simple sword of truth will I vanquish ye. Indeed, woe unto ye, for I wax terrible, wielding the blade, ready to smite. LudicrousTripe (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

My new friend, are you trolling?--v/r - T P 13:12, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

There is no bacon available, so it will have to be Wikicaffeine instead of "wake up and smell the bacon". Think of this as your last meal, for my wrath descends upon ye even as we speaketh. LudicrousTripe (talk) 18:43, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

At this point, you should know that your ominous threats arn't welcome here.--v/r - T P 18:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

The editor is blocked now.--MONGO 19:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

They were a whole week early for International Bacon Day, so that's probably just as well. Also, wasn't there a UK politician who had a thing about the simple sword of something-or-other and the trusty shield of something-else? I don't remember that ending well either. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Yo

Thanks for your comment at the ANI thread I started, I'm glad my clarification helped. Do you think RFC/U would be a better venue, and do you think it would allow me to explain in greater detail why some of these edits are poor? (eg. "edit 1 fabricates a claim that isn't in the source, here's what the source actually says" - "edit 2 engages in original research by bringing in sources that don't relate to the topic"?) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:59, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Heh, I knew I should've ignored that thread. The Catholic Church just bores me both as a religion and as a subject; I should've walked away early. I skimmed over the subject a little and I think this is outside of my area of competence both of sexology and religion. I think you're right that the article needs to speak in the context of what the Catholic Church has said and I think Liz is right that sources over 27 years old from the Catholic Church are a poor source for modern issues. Although 27 years is recent in the context of the Catholic Church, we've had 2 new popes since then, massive research in sexology, and a change in societal norms. I'm not positive that there is POV pushing, though. The added material can be both seen as a positive and a negative depending on the reader's perspective (Sheldon is in my head screaming "Schrödinger's cat" but I'm not positive that applies. So, to answer your question, I think we need to see the result of this ANI thread. However, what is necessary is that he apologize for "Even if I sometimes wonder if her declared sexual preference may underlie her annoyance...." That crosses a line. I'm sorry, I doubt any of my rambling has been helpful. I really stepped away from the thread after that. 10 years in a Catholic Church and you kind avoid it.--v/r - T P 20:14, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I accidentally implied that I was bothering you for help in a content dispute! That's not the case at all. (As I mentioned to Liz, I don't really edit the doctrinal stuff at all other than reverting obvious factual inaccuracies, so whether it's outdated doctrine or not is totally not on my radar.) I was just a. hoping that I had succeeded in clarifying a point I'd already made and b. wondering if you thought RFC/U was a better venue than ANI for dealing with this sort of long-term disruption. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:54, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't think RFC/U is appropriate at this time because they are generally for longer term issues. Other than the use of your orientation, which you seem to be good at ignoring his bringing it up and taking the high road, I don't think there is enough history of conduct issues to merit an RFC/U. Might be one of those times you have to step away and monitor for the future.--v/r - T P 21:51, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

About what duration would you say the behavior has to be to warrant an RFC/U? I'm not good at recalling the dates of the diffs I posted, but I warned him for this back in March after stuff had already been going on for some time. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:21, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the standard is about 6 months of poor behavior and 2 certifying editors whom have had a problem with the user and tried to work it out with them (unsuccessfully). But you should at the very least wait until the ANI thread wraps up. I know it doesn't seem to be moving anywhere, but that should be a first step.--v/r - T P 22:22, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't want to run anything concurrently, that would be annoying. If I have time and remember, I'll try to dredge up the series of diffs that prompted my March warning and see where to go from there. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:42, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Unrelatedly, you're the admin who warned User:Ranze about the men's rights movement topic area probation. Are you the right person to come to about his POV editing and, most proximately, 1RR violation? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

At the time, the article was a hot bed for edit wars, so I was giving a notice to everyone who had several edits on that article. I have no other history with Ranze.--v/r - T P 23:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, okay. What is the proper venue for this? I know ArbCom violations are usually resolved there, but this isn't ArbCom - on the other hand, I've had 1RR violation reports passed over at EWN there because sometimes people there don't look into the topic-specific remedies. Sorry for all the questions - busy few days, I guess! –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Which article are you having a problem with him on? Is it a Men's Right's topic article?--v/r - T P 00:57, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

It's a related section on Controversial Reddit communities, but he's been blocked for the time being. I'll try to stop bothering you for a bit :P –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Heh, you're always welcome over here. I've just taken a huge step back from editing since about April. I think I'm about done on Wikipedia. I'll tell you over email if you're curious, but it's not that big of a deal.--v/r - T P 01:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)