# Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive AA

## Need help with tables

Hello, I need some help with table. I am trying to create something like {{Round16ext}} for a family tree, and here is my problem: I want the gap between "son" & "daughter" cells be 10px in height, so I specify it. But then I want to draw a thick black border connecting "son" & "daughter." That does not work if the gap is completely empty. So I have to put &nbsp. But then the gap becomes very wide. Is there a way to reduce its height and still have the border? Thanks!

• Version 1: with thick border, but wide gap
 Son Cell 1 Daughter Cell 2
• Version 2: no border, but the gap is of right height
 Son Cell 1 Daughter Cell 2

Renata 14:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I can see no difference using Firefox, both look good ; with an IE tab, I see no connecting line at all! The Round16ext template looks good in both browsers. Try again! -- DLL .. T 20:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, never mind. I figured out how to do it where I needed it, but for whatever bizarre reason the above tables do not display properly at all. They display properly only when I am previewing them before submitting this comment... Weird, huh? Renata 00:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Use {{familytree}} for a family tree. Tra (Talk) 14:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

## Glitch on Rose Bowl Game article

Under Rose_Bowl_Game#Background I've used the following code to place a panorama of the 1902 RB game in the article:
<br><center>
[[Image:1st-Rose-Bowl-game-1902.jpg|frame|The very first Rose Bowl Game]]
</center><br>
For some reason it doesn't appear to format correctly and appears in the middle of a sentence and uncentered. Any ideas? --Bobak 19:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Anyone??? --Bobak 22:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I put it inside a table which seems to have done the trick, but that's probably not the best way. Tra (Talk) 22:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it's done the trick. What's odd is that it worked at this article on Santo Domingo, Oaxaca with more or less the above command. --Bobak 22:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
It's probably something to do with the fact that Rose Bowl Game has a caption on it (requiring extra complications of divs being rendered to hold it) whilst the other article does not have a caption. Tra (Talk) 22:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
In the future, just use [[Image:Whatever|center]]. I've changed the article to use this. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 01:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

## Support for SVGZ

I would like to request support for the SVGZ format. SVGZ is the same as SVG, except it has been compressed using gzip. -SharkD 09:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

See Mediazilla:4947. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 01:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

## Category pages background

Can someone make the backgrounds "transparent" in the div or table markups (whatever they are) so all the category pages simply display in the light blue background color? They look pretty unprofessional now. Thanks, Rfrisbietalk 18:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I would also like this fixed for all users as I agree with Rfrisbie. I submitted this as a bug request in Bugzilla and got this reply from Simetrical:

The background of all pages is white in default Monobook. This issue occurs because the background of most non-mainspace stuff has been changed in the English Wikipedia with custom styles at MediaWiki:Monobook.css, but tables' backgrounds have not been changed. (Table backgrounds are white rather than transparent by default so that borders and backgrounds of unfloated stuff, especially the rule under headings, don't run into floated tables.)

```table { background-color: #F8FCFF; }
.ns-0 * table { background-color: white; }
```

Harryboyles 09:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't know why a solution like that wouldn't work in the main .css :-) Rfrisbietalk 15:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Because, as I said, the background of all pages is white in default Monobook, so there's no difference between the table background and page background. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 01:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

## Image Problem

Yesterday, I loaded Image:Map of Georgia elevations.png and everything seemed fine. However, I have noticed that no thumbnail appears for it in Category:Georgia (U.S. state) maps. Additionally, my attempt to add it to List of highest mountains in Georgia (U.S.) as a thumbnail has resulted in just a narrow band appearing. I have tried to purge the image, but either did it wrong or it had no effect. Could someone please help me out?

There may also be two other images with similar problems. Image:Map of trails of Georgia.png which is not showing up correctly in Category:Hiking trails in Georgia (U.S. state) and Image:GA St park.png, which is not showing up correctly in Category:Georgia state parks.Tlmclain 18:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I know there are some issues with thumbnailing very big PNG images (see this mail), your images seem to be right around the "magical" 3500x3500 size limit for the thumbnailing code. So I would guess that's the cause of your problems. --Sherool (talk) 20:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Sherool - Thank you for your response - you seem to have nailed the problem exactly. I reloaded Image:Map of Georgia elevations.png at 3133x3500 (instead of the original 3400×3800) and everything seems to be working fine now. Tlmclain 21:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

## Detailed statistics forbidden

Can someone do something about this? At least a comment. Thanks a lot. --Eleassar my talk 14:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

## Addition to a MediaWiki: page

I'd like to link MW:Parameters_to_Special:Export from MediaWiki:Exporttext. The latter is the text shown at the top of Special:Export, the former is a page explaining the additional parameters of the export interface. Any objection to that? Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 12:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

## Messed up image at 200px

[[Image:Hemisphere_m.jpg|200px]][[Image:Hemisphere_m.jpg|50px]]

Image displays perfectly well at other sizes, but not on 200 pixels. What happened? --GunnarRene 19:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC) Feel free to delete the old versions by the way. --GunnarRene 19:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it by purging the image description page. By the way, I've had to remove the thumbnails you placed above because they're fair use. Tra (Talk) 20:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks.--GunnarRene 20:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

### Still having problems with images

float

Intermittently of late I'm getting blue links instead of images. Is upload.wikipedia.org overloaded or something? I can't seem to pinpoint any good reasons for it (I tried taking the nowiki tags off above, and the 200px one worked fine while the 50px didn't show up at all!). Happens all over the place, no particular page to cite. -- nae'blis 19:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

## Weird problem with deletiondebates template

I noticed this awhile ago and posted on Template talk:Deletiondebates but it's not exactly a high-visibility page. For at least two people, clicking on any of the links in Template:Deletiondebates first resizes the box (in my case, it gets smaller and narrower) but doesn't actually load the page. Clicking the link again in the now-resized box loads the page as normal. I'm not sure about other user who posted about this, but I'm using Firefox under Windows at 1920x1200. The resolution has caused other odd table-formatting problems with non-obvious causes, but I'm not sure that's the problem in this case. Anyboby else noticing this, or have any ideas on how to fix it? Opabinia regalis 03:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

## Browsing to an article by means of its unique id?

Hello,

I am wondering, if it is possible to navigate to an article by using its unique id. I has examined the XML description of articles and found out, that every article has its own id.

`<mediawiki...`

`````` ...
<page>
<title>JavaScript</title>
<id>2512</id>
..
``````

`</mediawiki>`

Is it possible to access 'JavaScript' by means of an URL like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.php?id=2512 ?

Best regards,

``` Dennis
```
To access an article via id, this URL seems to work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.php?curid=2512 I don't know about javascript. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 18:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Perfect! The id 2512 refers in the german wikipedia to 'JavaScript'. Thanks, again.

## suggestion for easier/quicker reverting

I find it a little time consuming to revert articles, and ATM I don't want to use any of the addons for wiki, as I'm a fairly new user. At the moment I spot vandalisms by going to the recent changes page, looking at the history and comparing the last two versions (or the last two versions by different users), then going back to the last non-vandalised version and saving changs. It would speed up things a lot if there was a link in the 'compare selected versions' screen that read "revert to this version" and added a automatic summary "reverted to last edits by xxxx" (or similar), and maybe a link in the history page to do the same (though I think that may be a little too dangerous).

This could either be implemented as a greasemonkey script, FF extension or as an actual change to the wiki software.

Please let me know what you think, if I'm missing another simpler way of doing this, and which technology would be prefered. If GM is chosen, I think I can code it, otherwise someone will have to take over the technical side. --User24 17:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I see you have popups installed. On the recent changes or history page, find the revision containing the vandalism listed and hover over 'diff' or 'last'. You will see a box pop up. Click on 'rv' in the box and then wait. You will see lots of pages flash past and then you will see the article page. Once you see that, you have reverted it. Tra (Talk) 18:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. woot! I can even do it on the compare page. cheers and sorry for asking what now appears to be an obviously n00b question. --User24 18:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
What you are asking for is the Wikipedia:Rollback feature, which is limited to use by admins. Does Wikipedia:Reverting help? User:Zoe|(talk) 18:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
yeah, I looked at Wikipedia:Reverting but that just told me to do things the way I already was. --User24 18:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

## WP:AFD/Old borked

All the entries on this page are displaying "0 open / 0 closed / 0 total discussions". I've tried refreshing and the same thing happens. Anyone know what's going on? --Sam Blanning(talk) 10:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Try asking User:Mathbot about that (or its operator; talking to bots is often slightly pointless); it seems to have put the zeros there. --ais523 13:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

## CydeBot slapping me down

Hi there, I changed c**t to cunt (what's the point, I know, lol) in the Craig David article, in the trivia section, because of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_disclaimer and one of Cyde's bots changed it back or deleted it or something. I was going to tell Cyde but only registered users can post on his talk page, and right now I cannot be arsed. --207.216.10.77 07:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Just do it again - the bot will assume you know what you're doing. Zetawoof(ζ) 09:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, generally anti-vandal-bots like Cyde's will only stop you once. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 10:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

## A page I do not understand

I went to the page for High Sheriff of Cornwall and the references look a bit odd to me. Are they ok? Is there a problem? --Filll 00:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed them. It took me a bit, but some had extra <ref> tags without closing them after the book or website reference with the </ref> tag. Thanks for the heads up. Gotyear 00:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to bother with this question, but I looked around MediaWiki for an answer and couldn't find one. I'm sure it's simple (or impossible). My question is this. I want to add a YouTube video to a Wikipage. I found the code on YouTube, but am not sure how to make the player appear with the video ready to play. Can this be done? How? Thanks. MarshallPoe 21:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

No, that's not possible - Wikipedia doesn't support embedded objects (primarily for security reasons). Just link to the video. Zetawoof(ζ) 22:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Further question: is that Wikipedia policy, or a limitation of Mediawiki? In other words, does Mediawiki support embedded objects on wikipages? I have a personal wiki that runs Mediawiki, and I'd like embed the YouTube video on pages there, if possible. Thanks again. MarshallPoe 23:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki does not support embedded objects at this time. Embedded Java will probably happen sooner or later for the benefit of Wikiversity or what have you, but there are no timeframes. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 01:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
You could install an extension that allows you to embed YouTube files. Tra (Talk) 01:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Tra. I left a message on your user page. I confess I don't know how to install an extension... I'm I just way over my head, or can I do this? Btw, this request, though related to Wikipedia, is for another wiki project using Mediawiki ([MemoryArchive]). MarshallPoe 14:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to expand a little, please don't link to a YouTube page if it's a copyright violation. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

## History entries sometimes flipped

With Tawkerbot2 reverting at Procellariidae (history) on 20:14 UTC 22 October 2006. Tawkerbot's revert is before the edit it reverted, and Tawkerbot's diff makes it look as if it did nothing.

Same thing with AntiVandalBot and Texas (history) on 00:40 UTC 22 October 2006. Its diff makes it look like it did nothing.

Does this happen occasionally with edits a second apart and is nothing to worry about? Gotyear 20:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes. --brion 02:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, you're the tech employee. Thanks! Gotyear 04:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

## Talk:Main Page problem

I am getting a blank page when I click Talk:Main Page. I can see the most recent version and the history, but a normal click does not work. Anyone else having this problem or is it just me? Thanks, BanyanTree 15:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It's working fine for me. Try refreshing, or clearing your browser cache. Tra (Talk) 15:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll be darned. I thought that because I'd closed my browser since I first noticed the problem that was already covered, but a simple reload does the trick. Thanks! BanyanTree 15:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)