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This is the place for a brief description of the problem or objection to the move proposal, '''please do not discuss move proposals here.''' Proposals that remain here after seven days will be removed.
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* '''[[:Uyghur detainees in Guantanamo]] → {{noredirect|Uyghur captives in Guantanamo}} ([{{fullurl:Special:MovePage|wpOldTitle={{Urlencode:Uyghur detainees in Guantanamo}}&wpNewTitle={{Urlencode:Uyghur captives in Guantanamo}}&wpReason={{Urlencode:Requested at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] as uncontroversial}}&wpMovetalk=1}}}} move])''' — This article [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uyghur_detainees_in_Guantanamo&diff=305259311&oldid=305189435 was moved] from ''"Uyghur captives in Guantanamo"'' to ''"Uyghur detainees in Guantanamo"'', with no discussion on the talk page, and with an edit summary claiming that ''"Uyghur captives"'' lapsed from NPOV. I request the restoration of the previous name, and request those in favor of the current name go through the proper procedure for changing the name. I point out that in September 2008, ten months prior to this move, the DoJ and DoD acknowledged that they never had any evidence to justify holding these men, without charge, for the previous seven and half months. Our articles, and our articles' titles ''should not'' be biased. We should not adopt the extreme terms used by partisans on either side of a debate in our articles. And ''"detainee"'' is an explanation of an extreme term from the one side of a discussion. No one called prisoners ''"detainees"'' prior to the opening of the controversial Guantanamo camp. The term was picked by spin doctors because of the false air of normalcy it gives the extraordinary captivity of these men. The use of the term ''"detainee"'' falsely implies that the indefinite [[extrajudicial detention]] is routine, mundane, and sanctioned by the rule of law. The use of the term ''"detainee"'' is inappropriate for the several hundred men, held without charge, who have never had a meaningful opportunity to learn and refute the allegations that triggered their detention. It is doubly inappropriate for the 22 Uyghurs, whose captivity is is now acknowledged had never been justified. Some human rights workers refer to these men as ''"kidnap victims"''. We wouldn't use that term either. [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|talk]]) 14:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC) [[User:Geo Swan|Geo Swan]] ([[User talk:Geo Swan|talk]]) 14:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
**It sounds to me like you are pushing the ''exact'' sort of POV that I was trying to ward off with the page move. We agree that the detention of these people was unjust, but Wikipedia is not a soapbox for decrying injustice. We try to use neutral, sterile terms, even when we disagree with the situation in real life. The famous example is [[Adolf Hitler]]: the article doesn't begin "Adolf Hitler was a horrible murderer", even though the vast majority of Wikipedians would agree with that statement.<p>As a side note, if the current naming is so horrible, I'm confused as to why it took you 8 months to bring it up. [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/index.php?name=Geo+Swan&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia It's not as if] you've been on a Wikibreak that whole time. You were active at that article around the same time and have made numerous edits since without objecting to the move until now. <b class="IPA">[[Special:Contributions/Rjanag|r<font color="#8B0000">ʨ</font>anaɢ]]</b>&nbsp;([[User talk:Rjanag|talk]]) 15:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


==Current discussions==
==Current discussions==

Revision as of 15:22, 21 March 2010

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Current requests

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This is the place for a brief description of the problem or objection to the move proposal, please do not discuss move proposals here. Proposals that remain here after seven days will be removed.

Current discussions

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This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 73 discussions have been relisted.

November 11, 2024

  • (Discuss)Hiawatha (train)Hiawatha (MILW train) – These paranthetical names aren't quite as clear and precise as they can be since multiple other trains have used these names throughout their history. The simple parenthetical "(train)" isn't really enough to distinguish these different trains from each other. The first article is solely about the multiple trains operated by the Milwaukee Road which predate the current Amtrak train along the corridor of the same name. The name could be changed to "trains" to indicate the multitude of different trains covered in the article. The Amtrak/Via Maple Leaf isn't the only named train with a termini in Toronto, especially the historical Lehigh Valley Railroad train, which also ran to New York City, albeit with a different alignment. The name of the article could also be changed to maybe "Amtrak/Via", but the train from my understanding is moreso grouped with Amtrak. The Amtrak Palmetto is the successor of the ACL train of the same name. The fourth article is about a completely unrelated historical ATSF train operating in California separate from the current Amtrak train. The Wolverine is also the name of a historical New York Central Railroad train. Nonetheless, I don't necessarily believe in these names as final as I want them to be subject to change, and not all of them need to be implemented. I will say that if we decide that the simple parenthetical of "(train)" is sufficient in describing the articles in question, then perhaps instead the article titles for the Amtrak Pere Marquette, Silver Star, and Valley Flyer could have "Amtrak" dropped from their parentheticals for naming consistency across all Amtrak train articles. Thoughts? OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 06:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Theodor-Fliedner-GymnasiumTheodor Fliedner Gymnasium – Per English language names (see WP:ENGLISHTITLE). In German the name, as a compound noun (CN), is treated as a single lexical unit and run together giving us words such as der Zungenbrecher for the English equivalent "the tongue twister". In German Wikipedia the article for this school is written with dashes to separate out the parts of the CN, which is usual practice where the compound noun contains a name but is a single lexical unit - a CN. English does not treat compound nouns this way. As for "tongue twister," the nouns can be split into a noun phrase. So the correct English name for this school is Theodor Fliedner Gymnasium. High school could replace Gymnasium, but as a Gymnasium is a specific type of high school, I suggest we keep it. Nevertheless there are sources actually calling it Theodor Fliedner high school in English. E.g. [1] I bold moved to the English name, as I had said should be done in the recent deletion discussion [2], and it was reverted.[3] Thus this move discussion. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Big BenElizabeth Tower – The current title is recognisable, natural, concise, and arguably consistent, but not precise (see WP:CRITERIA for article titles). The title is not precise because 'Big Ben' can refer to the clock tower, the clock within it, or to the bell which forms part of the striking mechanism of the clock. This is a particular problem in the lead, where, as the "Lead, should it be Big Ben or Elizabeth Tower?" discussion above shows, it creates confusion and makes the use of natural language more difficult. For example, the subject of the lead sentence is currently the term 'Big Ben' rather than any of the things the nickname is applied to. If the title is moved to 'Elizabeth Tower' then the tower can be treated as the unambiguous primary topic of the article, with the clock and bell as sub-topics. This is a logical structure and is already reflected in the arrangement of the article. To be clear, I am not proposing 'Elizabeth Tower' because it is the 'official name', but rather because it is more precise than the current title in referring only to the tower. A.D.Hope (talk) 10:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 10, 2024

  • (Discuss)Lazy cisticolaRock-loving cisticola – This is the new name adopted by version 14.2 of the IOC bird list. Background: On Wikipedia we create an article for each species of bird. English Wikipedia follows the online list of world birds maintained by Frank Gill, Pamela C. Rasmussen and David Donsker on behalf of the International Ornithological Committee (IOC) which is available here. In August 2024 version 14.2 was released. This included many changes which are part of an effort to align the taxonomy of the three major world lists: IOC, Clements/eBird and Birdlife/IUCN. In the previous release (IOC 14.1) the Lazy cistocola (Cisticola aberrans) included 4 subspecies: nyika, lurio, aberrans and minor. The Rock-loving cisticola (Cisticola emini) also included 4 subspecies: admiralis, petrophilus, emini and bailunduensis The present release (IOC 14.2) lumps the Lazy cistocola with the Rock-loving cisticola and at the same time splits off the subspecies bailunduensis to create a new species, the Huambo cisticola (Cisticola bailunduensis). When making the lump, the IOC chose to use the "more informative" name "Rock-loving cisticola" for the combined species rather than retaining the name Lazy cistocola. The October 2024 update of the Clements/eBird list includes similar changes to the taxonomy: see here Wikipedia didn't have an article for the Rock-loving cisticola - instead there was a redirect. I intend to create an article for the Huambo cisticola. Aa77zz (talk) 22:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Tule Lake National MonumentTule Lake concentration camp – It is unclear to me why this page is called "Tule Lake National Monument." It’s primarily about the concentration camp/war relocation center, and only a single, relatively small section is dedicated to its designation as a monument. It’s not just a euphemistic designation, it’s straight-up confusing. When I was searching for this page I had to check repeatedly that I was in the right place. It’s like if we called the main Auschwitz concentration camp article "Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum." As for what it should be called, I think that there are advantages and disadvantages to "Tule Lake War Relocation Center," "Tule Lake concentration camp," and "Tule Lake internment camp." Google Ngram Viewer shows no results at all for "Tule Lake National Monument," but does show results for all three of these terms. "Tule Lake War Relocation Center" fits with the formats used for most of the other camps (Gila River, Granada, Heart Mountain, Jerome, Poston, Rohwer, Topaz), but may be a bit euphemistic and doesn’t necessarily cover other names for the camp ("Tule Lake Segregation Center") and other areas on site that weren’t specifically in the relocation center (such as Camp Tulelake, an isolation facility within the overall camp structure). Perhaps using "War Relocation Center" to disambiguate between the overall camp and the isolation facility would be advantageous, though. "Tule Lake War Relocation Center" is also the most common result on Google Ngram Viewer. "Tule Lake concentration camp" may be a bit controversial, but "concentration camp" is the terminology used by Densho, which is generally considered an authority on this subject. It is the terminology recommended by the Manzanar committee, whose recommendations were adopted by the JACL (Japanese American Citizens League) in 2013. It’s also the terminology used on the FA-rated Manzanar page and would cover other names for the camp/relocation center and areas of the site that weren’t strictly within the relocation center. It is, however, the least common result on Google Ngram Viewer. "Tule Lake internment camp" would also cover other names for/sections of the camp and is a commonly used term, possibly more diplomatic than concentration camp but also more euphemistic. I don’t know that diplomacy is more important than precision/accuracy when covering a human rights violation, but still, it’s better than "National Monument" on both counts. In terms of the Ngram Viewer, it is between "Tule Lake War Relocation Center" and "Tule Lake concentration camp" in its usage. I personally favor “Tule Lake concentration camp,” so that’s the name I put in on the request, but am open to any of the three pending feedback. What do folks think? Spookyaki (talk) 16:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Turkish Women's Football Super LeagueSüper Lig (women) – See my rm above. Regarding this name, the word "football" is redundant in this context, because this was added to separate it from the Women's Basketball Super League, this makes it Kadın Süper Ligi in Turkish, which basically means 'women's super league', thus Süper Lig (women) seems the most logical and consistent with the men version. Beshogur (talk) 17:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 15:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Frost 05:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 9, 2024

  • (Discuss)Pot-holder → ? – "Pot-holder" with a hyphen seems to be by far the least used version. Unfortunate, both pot holder and potholder are very close in usage: Google ngrams, Google Trends (shows "pot holder" being about 50% more searched for than "potholder" in the past few years, before then they were nearly identical), 1,970 Google scholar for "pot holder" (which includes pot-holder but a quick skim finds "pot holder" far out numbers it), 1,450 Google scholar for "potholder". Dictionaries that I looked at are 5-2 in favor of "potholder": "potholder": Collins (which labels it as British), Cambridge (which labels it as "mainly US"), Oxford Learner's (Which labels it as "(North American English)", American Heritage, and Dictionary.com; while for "pot holder": M-W; OED. I'm not a huge fan of just going by dictionary but perhaps give how similar ngrams and such are, I'd lean toward "potholder" which is also the direction ngramas has started to move toward, although "pot holder" was much more common from the 1860s until the late 1960s. I also don't think there seems to be sufficient English variety affinity for either spaced or not to justify using the uncommon hyphenated version. Skynxnex (talk) 16:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8, 2024

  • (Discuss)Ghosts (American TV series)Ghosts (2021 TV series) – Back in 2022 this page was renamed as part of a larger proposal that included country of origin as a distinguishing factor. The close was contested and have since been reverted for the other two articles, so the rationale for this page's renaming is no longer valid. We have three Ghost TV shows; they don't come from three different countries so country of origin is an insufficient disambiguator; however they were all made in different years - all three shows should be disambiguated by year. 84.217.39.2 (talk) 18:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. JuniperChill (talk) 22:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Murder of pregnant womenPregnancy and femicide – I think the page should be named "Pregnancy and femicide" rather than "Murder of pregnant women" because, throughout the research I conducted to update and expand upon this page, the importance of designating this type of homicide as gender-based, and therefore a femicide, in order to properly address it and prevent further cases, was repeatedly emphasized. I therefore believe that changing the title to reflect this notion is crucial. Additionally, considering studies on pregnancy-associated femicide not only comprise the period of pregnancy, but the postpartum period as well, I feel that the current title does not accurately reflect the subject. Samdlb123 (talk) 03:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 17:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Wikipedia:Outing (essay) → ? – This essay currently has rather poor visibility, and I believe its title is to blame. For one, adding a hatnote to the target of Wikipedia:Outing and Wikipedia:OUTING to refer back to this essay seems like it would cause more confusion than help, especially given the already-large stack of hatnotes at that target. For two, this essay may be outdated, given it was created in 2006 and its most recent edit was in 2013; due to this, it seems some of the claims in the essay may be inaccurate since Wikipedia has advanced some of its policies since then. In a nutshell, I'm opening this move request since a new title for this page is a start, though not necessarily the end nor the only fix. Steel1943 (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7, 2024

November 6, 2024

  • (Discuss)Tajiks of XinjiangChinese Tajiks – In previous discussions over a decade and a half ago, the main points of contention were: "Which name(s) is more commonly used in reliable sources (i.e. WP:COMMONNAME)?" and "Which name(s) is appropriate, given that 'Tajik' is a misnomer because the group is actually ethnic Pamiris?" Since the discussions in 2009, scholarly articles and books have generally been split in usage of "Tajiks of Xinjiang" and "Chinese Tajiks". Neither name solves the second problem, and adding "Pamiris" in parentheses isn't necessary, in my opinion. The group itself has a distinct history and culture, and it is not merely a situation of Pamiris being on a different side of an international border (i.e. not Tajikistan). The Chinese government uses the term "Chinese Tajiks" in English to distinguish the group from Tajiks and Tajikistanis in China. It's also worth noting that members of this ethnic group have travelled and made homes elsewhere in China, so it doesn't make sense to have an article title that limits them to one specific part of the country. This article isn't about Tajiks or Pamiris who live in Xinjiang, but a distinct ethnicity that originated from the region. The article should therefore be renamed and moved to "Chinese Tajiks". Yue🌙 01:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 17:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 5, 2024

  • (Discuss)Stadion Miejski (Białystok)Białystok Municipal Stadium – I am submitting this request to revert the article title of the stadium in Białystok to its previous title, Białystok Municipal Stadium in light of recent actions by the user FromCzech. The move to the Polish-language title Stadion Miejski (Białystok) was made unilaterally and appears inconsistent with Wikipedia's guidelines, specifically WP:UE. This guideline encourages the use of English translations where appropriate to maintain accessibility for the global readership. FromCzech has argued for the name change without prior discussion, potentially as a reaction to a naming debate on Lokotrans Aréna that I initiated. This recent move does not reflect a consensus, and it also disrupts the established consistency within the "Football venues in Poland" category, where nearly all stadium names are translated into English. Notable examples include Father Władysław Augustynek Stadium, Gdynia Municipal Stadium, Kielce Municipal Stadium, and Raków Municipal Stadium. I urge that the title "Białystok Municipal Stadium" be restored to uphold Wikipedia’s principles of consistency and transparency, while also preventing this matter from being affected by personal disputes or editing motivated by anything other than Wikipedia's editorial standards. Paradygmaty (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Crown OfficeCrown Office in Chancery – This name can refer to either the Crown Office in Chancery (central UK Government) or the Crown Office & Procurator Fiscal Service (devolved Scottish Government). Currently Crown Office refers to the London institution with Crown Office in Chancery being a redirect to it. I would prefer that these be swapped around so that Crown Office in Chancery becomes the name of the article and Crown Office becomes a disambiguation page. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 11:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). estar8806 (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 15:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Hasmah Mohamad AliSiti Hasmah Mohamad Ali – The article in question was originally titled 'Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali'. An editor renamed the title to 'Hasmah Mohamad Ali' without any previous discussion. The BLP's name change has yet to gain currency in the reliable mainstream sources. The old name/title should be maintaind in the meantime.
    Perusal of government record as far as 1975 also shows 'Dr. (Puan) Siti Hasmah binti Haji Mohd Ali'. [1]

References

Sreeking (talk) 00:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Fischer random chessChess 960 – "Chess 960" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this chess variant, based on press coverage (newspapers.com articles found from the last 20 years: 82 mentioning "Chess 960" and 65 mentioning Fischer Random Chess, many mentioning both), major chess sites including chess.com and lichess.org, recent books, and chess organizations. Other Wikipedias have also started to move away from "Fischer" in the title with 20 out of 39 using "960" in the title instead. While Fischer Random Chess is still often used as a term, it is no longer the most common name. In recent years, "Fischer Random Chess" is typically mentioned only once in reliable sources, often parenthetically or as a secondary term, with "Chess 960" used for the remainder of the article, book, etc. While the article does discuss several other variants, the focus of the article is Chess 960 and it makes sense to keep the article history connected to Chess 960 as a topic. As to "Chess 960" vs. "Chess960", including the space seems to be more frequent based on newspapers.com and Google searches, but both are often used. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4, 2024

Elapsed listings

  • (Discuss)Tel al-Sultan attack → ? – I am bringing this discussion back up with a stronger argument and after the Good Article review has concluded. I have identified many sources calling this incident a massacre. There are likely more, so feel free to add any. They include The Guardian (opinion piece), Morrocco World News, The Peninsula Qatar, Truthout, Al-Ahram, Daily Sabah, Jacobin, Vox (Not explicitly, though cites someone calling it one, says it’s a slaughter in headline, and says Israel is massacring Palestinians), TRT World (Partially reliable) Le Monde, Middle East Eye, El Pais, The New Arab, Mondoweiss, Gulf News, Huffington Post (Disputed reliability), The Intercept, The Nation (opinion piece), Aljazeera and Aljazeera Arabic. Many mainstream media articles also cite people who describe the attack as a massacre, though do not explicitly claim it to be so. Humanitarian groups Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor and Doctors Without Borders have described the incident as a massacre. Officials of Colombia,[32] Saudi Arabia,[33] the State of Palestine,[34] and the Organization of Islamic States[35] have called the attack a massacre. United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories Francesca Albanese has called it a massacre.[36] Additionally, Hamas and the Palestinian Civil Defense in Rafah have called the incident a massacre.[37] Last time, there was also the issue of whether the attacks were intentional, as “massacre” is a loaded word that may imply intentionally killing civilians. Firstly, NYT quotes an expert who suggests Israel may have tried to mitigate harm but accepted civilian casualties,[38] and an MSNBC analysis indicates Israel should have known there were civilians in the area.[39] Al-Jazeera’s fact checking agency[40] and India Today[41] think so, and suggestions by Israel that a weapons dump exploded have been refuted by the New York Times, who found no evidence of the claim.[42] Egypt[43] and the PA[44] also allege that it was intentional. There is still the issue of what exactly to call the article in any case. We have some options:
    A: Keep it the same, Tel al-Sultan _.
    B: Rafah tent camp _.
    C: Just "Rafah _" Personisinsterest (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Backlog

  • (Discuss)2021 Western Kentucky tornado2021 Mayfield tornado – The new copy-edited lede changed by @Baffle gab1978 brought to me the realization that Wikipedia is one of the few places on the web referring to this event by this name. As the majority of coverage was in Mayfield, it has informally become known as the Mayfield tornado by sources, and as such Wikipedia should in theory call it that too per WP:COMMONNAME. Also, per WP:Naming conventions (events), [i]f more than one name is in common use, the name used by NOAA or an official weather agency should take precedence except in extraordinary circumstances, and there should be redirects from any other names. This source from the NCEI, a roundup of December 2021 events, states [t]he historic “Mayfield tornado,” as its commonly called, was on the ground for 165.7 miles, had peak winds of 190 mph, and resulted in 55+ fatalities, and as far as I'm aware there's no NOAA/NWS sources calling it the "Western Kentucky tornado" (p.s., I'm using this usa.gov search tool to query this, and that returned 0 for "Western Kentucky tornado"). Strictly off policy, I would boldly move this, but as this is one of the most important tornado articles in today's Wikipedia, I thought I'd start a discussion. Departure– (talk) 00:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Minnesota FatsMinnesota Fats (character) – Why isn't the article at Minnesota Fats? That is by far the most common name used here to refer to him. Every source in the article uses Minnesota Fats, to the point even his NYT obit called him that and not Rudolph Wanderone, and the word "Wanderone" is hardly used in the text of the article instead of "Fats". Sure, he named himself after a fictional character, but inbound links and page views suggest most people looking for "Minnesota Fats" are looking for the pool player and not the character. It's blatantly obvious Wanderone's legacy has far outlasted that of the fictional character from whom he derived his name. This seems a crystal-clear violation of WP:COMMONNAME to have his article at "Rudolph Wanderone", and to me, it's like if we arbitrarily decided to move Lady Gaga's article to "Stefani Germanotta". I'm genuinely shocked no one else has even considered this issue in the past ten years. Previous discussion in 2014 had everyone pulling a different direction, and me in a more hostile mood, so I'm hoping to get a consensus this time with a clearer focus from both me and others. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Charlotte (Queen of Heartstalk) 00:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss)Siege of Gerona (disambiguation)Sieges of Gerona – Several issues I hope to address with these proposed moves. First, it makes little sense to have the "second" and "third" sieges as titles but to call the first event a battle; of the three is was the most like a battle, but the distinction is confusing in this case. It does seem that [ordinal] siege of Gerona is the most common manner of disambiguating the various events. If the first segment were to carry the WP:COMMONNAME "Battle" then it should not carry a parenthetical qualifier, being already WP:NATURALly disambiguated and the primary topic for the term; the base name Battle of Girona already redirects there and is WP:MISPLACED. Second, when used alone without additional context, "Siege of Gerona" does seem to refer to the successful final siege as a primary topic, and currently redirects there. I am proposing to leave this as a primary redirect and turn the disambiguation page into a set index at the plural, but I would also support having the set index in place of the redirect at the singular. Third, while I personally feel "Siege" in these titles is part of the proper noun, use in sources is mixed, and most "siege" articles on enwiki do not take siege as part of the proper noun (in contrast to "Battle of..." which is almost always part of the proper noun; I don't see the distinction) and WP:MILCAPS is vague, so for now let's go for being the most consistent. Lastly, as for the Girona vs. Gerona issue, there has been past move reversions and discussion about this (e.g. Talk:Third siege of Girona#Girona/Gerona), and we should reach consensus here. I am open to either spelling, but am proposing a return to Gerona because it does seem a majority of reliable sources use this spelling, and that is the criterion upon which we should base our choice. On the other hand, the modern spelling of the city is the Catalan spelling. Regardless, the set index/disambiguation page should use the same spelling as the articles. Overall, I am open to discussing and considering any and all variations of this proposal, but the status quo should not be kept. Mdewman6 (talk) 04:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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