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Marielle Franco

"Brazilian politician and human rights activist Marielle Franco is killed in a shooting in Rio de Janeiro." This should read, "is assassinated in Rio de Janeiro." "Killed in a shooting" makes it sound like this was random. All of the sources point to it not being random and that it was an assassination, see: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/16/marielle-franco-assassination-brazil-police-brutality/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/15/marielle-franco-shot-dead-targeted-killing-rio "Rio's Public Security Secretary Richard Nunes said in a statement there will be "full investigation on the assassination" of council member Marielle Franco and her driver."Petrichor (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I think that's what the investigation's for. She can be targeted without it being an assassination. At this point, it's all too preliminary. We would be, so to speak, jumping the gun. Especially since two of the cited officials are anonymous, and Rio is not a safe city. Better to call it a shooting now and an assassination later, than to call it an assassination now and have to backtrack later, possibly in an embarrassing and public manner.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

It is an assassination. That is ridiculous. Everyone is calling it an assassination and the investigation is beginning with that because of the crime scene and the background of her story. Wikipedia is doing a huge disservice by not calling it what it is. She was shot from behind, in a tinted car where you couldn't even see her from outside, and the shots were fired directly at her, and her driver was killed due to the way the shots were fired, i.e. not with real intent, as the shots were all towards her direction and in front of that direction was the driver. Please call this an assassination as this is what it is. I cannot believe this. She was a very public figure who was going against the political establishment and raising attention to police violence. How slow English Wikipedia was to respond to this in the beginning, and how slower yet to actually call this what it is. An example of how shallow this place can be when it doesn't concern the American-English-etc-western world. Petrichor (talk) 01:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Also, why should you override the vast consensus of all media reports? We're not supposed to do original research, which is what you're attempting here. Show me sources that are doubting that this is an assassination? I don't think they exist, and I don't think that's being debated. I'm only speaking from what the secondary sources are providing us and you're saying we should ignore it. Petrichor (talk) 04:06, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Someday people will realize that we do not report the news. We are supposed to be slow on the uptake, that's the entire point. However, I agree with Petrichor that we are supposed to reflect the consensus of available sources. If the consensus is that Marielle was assassinated, then that is what we should be reporting. The Guardian reports assassination and Amnesty International does as well. By contrast the New York Times (which I hold in higher regard than both previous sources) uses "killing" rather than murder or assassination. Mr rnddude (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

"killed in a shooting" is factually correct, assassination or not. ansh666 04:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

If this happened in the US or a Western country, it would be called assassination on the Main Page. I feel it's only not because of this Wikipedia's bias against non-Western countries which is present and something the Wikimedia Foundation has spoken about before. New York Times also is not exactly something I'd call the most reputable source at all for many reasons. Consensus of the media reports is what matters, and in Brazil and outside they call this is an assassination, as she was a radical politician challenging the power structures of Brazil. The article we have, calls it an assassination. There's thus no reason to have allowed the diverging discrepancy. There is a big difference between a homicide and an assassination and it is not the same at all. If she was a politician in a western country, this Main Page text would have been handled much differently.

See: Wikipedia:Systemic bias#The "average Wikipedian" Petrichor (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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RD

Please the RD for Sudan (rhinoceros) should be posted with the full name. Sudan is generally known as a country, this will just look like clickbaiting as country cannot die, biological death. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

You would have to be an idiot to think that a country had died. Stephen 11:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Agree. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:01, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not saying it should be changed(as hovering over the link reveals that it is about the animal) but in my experience there are people out there who could think almost every conceivable thought out there. That doesn't make them idiots, maybe they had a brain cramp and/or were not paying attention. What Ammarpad is saying is not totally unreasonable, even if it doesn't need to be corrected. 331dot (talk) 12:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: It was originally posted without piping by Tone. This shows I am not the only "idiot." –Ammarpad (talk) 12:25, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

@Stephen: Thank you. But I am not idiot and; you can make your point without this. I didn't make this suggestion for myself or because I thought that when I saw it; but because of ordinary users of differing thoughts and cerebration who read Wikipedia from the world over, who have absolutely different perspectives as you or I do. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Countries don't really die but do cease to exist, collapse, dissolve ... Hey, Sudan itself split to two parts! Not a RD case, though. --Tone 17:11, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Agree - With Ammarpad, this should be changed. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:28, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Changed: enough people (here and at ITN) show confusion over this, and it doesn't hurt in any way to change this, so why not? Fram (talk) 08:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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