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April 11
April 11, 2024
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RD: Akebono Tarō
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Akebono Tarō, the first non-Japanese-born wrestler ever to reach yokozuna, the highest rank in sumo, dies at age 54. (Post)
News source(s): SCMP NYT Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by SpacedFarmer (talk · give credit)
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Support, article is a well-written overview of a sumo career. 1stViscountessNivlac (talk) 11:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article does have one orange tag but is in a section, and seems written well enough (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Turing Award
Blurb: Avi Wigderson wins the Turing Award for the study of randomness in computation and decades of intellectual leadership in theoretical computer science. (Post)
News source(s): Association for Computing Machinery, Quanta Magazine, Institute for Advanced Study
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A02:14F:1F2:FF04:D271:E46A:12E9:68D1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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2A02:14F:1F2:FF04:D271:E46A:12E9:68D1 (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support assuming Wigderson's article is the target, it looks fully sourced ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks good and notability is assumed. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 18:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Reluctant procedural support since I think ITN/R needs a purge, but as long as the current rules persist, up it goes This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Academic articles should usually have a section discussing their research, and here, specifically the research they did towards the award. This has almost nothing of his academic career outside of what awards he got. --Masem (t) 03:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there is no section dedicated to his research and its academic review. The article is a bit small for a biography to be blurbed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Trina Robbins
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by CanonNi (talk · give credit)
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'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''
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April 9
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RD: R. M. Veerappan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Politician and Film Maker needs references Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are four orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose too many issues with article (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 10:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Climate change ruling in Switzerland
Blurb: The European Court of Human Rights rules that climate change prevention is a human right. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - Article is one sentence long ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on article length, but generally support this as significant. Masem (t) 17:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- To add this affects all eu member states and not just limited to Switzerland. — Masem (t) 18:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Council of Europe states, not just EU. But agree on significance; shame that the premature nomination means that any half-decent article that may emerge 12 or 24 hrs down the line will have a starting handicap of half a dozen opposes to overcome. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have some rudimentary knowledge in this area that I am going to try to hit tonight to provide background and thus fill in the case basics but can't promise anything. — Masem (t) 20:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Council of Europe states, not just EU. But agree on significance; shame that the premature nomination means that any half-decent article that may emerge 12 or 24 hrs down the line will have a starting handicap of half a dozen opposes to overcome. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- To add this affects all eu member states and not just limited to Switzerland. — Masem (t) 18:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is 1 sentence long, will need to be expanded. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
*Oppose on quality As mentioned previously, article is a very short stub. WOuld need to be greatly expanded on before being considered.
Support, thank you for expanding! ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜) 20:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as it’s a stub. The Kip 21:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Someone just needs to translate the German article, which is quite decent: de:Klimaseniorinnen Schweiz. Schwede66 22:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The German article is about the plaintiffs, not the lawsuit. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- It is titled as if the scope were to be the plaintiffs, but it has more on the case and reactions to it than the organisation. Schwede66 23:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The German article is about the plaintiffs, not the lawsuit. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on significance, oppose on quality. Article needs very substantial work. AusLondonder (talk) 22:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- EXPANDED I have spent the last hour to expand it out, though I'm not diving into reaction kudzu. --Masem (t) 01:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Did the reacts for You based on de.wiki. Myself I abstain from !voting but will take this opportunity to congratulate You, @User:Masem on your fine work on this and any other issues on ITNC. Kudoz! --Ouro (blah blah) 05:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but the article still needs improvement before it can be posted, particularly in the reactions section. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support A very significant event and even though the article is bit short but it is good enough. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The latest climate news is that March was the hottest in recent times and that sea temperatures set a new record. Switzerland is not a significant scapegoat in this and the ECHR has no enforcement powers even if it was. To see who's actually responsible, see the Carbon Majors report which has just been published. China's coal industry heads the list with 25% of global emissions (2016-2022). Andrew🐉(talk) 07:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- ECHR has required the Swiss gov't efforts to rectrify the emissions target failure with oversight by govt representatives to the ECHR from other countries. Yes, its not like they put a fine (outside of legal costs) on Switzerland, but they are forcing the country to establish new laws and likely new sources of funding within a reasonable time to meet overall climate change goals. (This isn't about climate change per se but the human rights that are lost if climate change is not adequetly met, that's the story here). — Masem (t) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I think the blurb is imprecise and would need revision. This was a very specific ruling finding Switzerland in violation of the European Convention on Human Rights (Article 8 and 6 § 1). It essentially found that Switzerland had positive obligations to act and has not effectively done so, thus Switzerland has committed a human rights violation. The court found that Switzerland has failed to reduce its GHG emissions fast enough to meet its own targets (set by law). It found that Swiss domestic courts should provide an adequate venue to abide by the Convention. The court also found that 4 individuals represented as plantiffs did not actually fulfil the victim-status criteria under Article 34 of the Convention and declared their complaints inadmissible. It is worth noting at the same time they decided on Verein KlimaSeniorinnen Schweiz, they threw out (made inadmissible) two other climate-change cases at the same time (Carême v. France and Duarte Agostinho and Others v. Portugal and 32 Others). Find the court documents here.
- Of course this ruling can have large implications, especially for member states of the Council of Europe/convention signatories. The ECHR has never directly ruled on a "climate-change" before (although they have had environmental protection cases). This does pave the way for future cases (see Greenpeace Nordic and Others v. Norway) not only in the ECHR, but other venues as well. It is clearly important ruling, but I would ask other editors to assess if the court actually found that climate-change prevention is a human right. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- As I put in the article, part of the reason Switzerland failed is they were putting much of their effrt by riding on the EU's emissions trading program, which throughout the EU failed to realize CO2 reduction goals anywhere close to what Kyoto/Paris asked for. Many other states also took their emissions committment in this direction and have been burnt by the failure of the program; eight other states joined Switzerland to fight off this case. This means that many states within the Council will still likely fail to meet 2020 or 2030 goals, and that if they don't take strong mitigating actions beyond the cap-and-trade system, they will likely be found in violation. — Masem (t) 12:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. On the human rights violation bit, just added ref, from the Washington Post. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- support incredibly important, per et al. Kasperquickly (talk) 11:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support thanks to @Masem for expanding it, it's very important and is long enough (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on importance, weak oppose on quality: the quality of the prose is very poor, and much reads like a machine translation ("her reaction was not material", "aligned with the relevant political spectrum", "instead they should seek political actions"). Sandstein 12:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Likely due to the reactions section being based off machine translation from the Swiss version ( the bulk of the rest I wrote fresh from English sources) likely needs wordsmithinh — Masem (t) 13:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Machine translation does not seem acceptable for material presented as a quotation. For example, I just spot-checked ""alienating, possibly even counterproductive". The actual quotation was "befremdlich und möglicherweise gar kontraproduktiv". "Befremdlich" would be better translated as "disturbing" or "disconcerting". But if you're going to quote someone then you should give their original text per MOS:PMC, "the wording of the quoted text must be faithfully reproduced". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Likely due to the reactions section being based off machine translation from the Swiss version ( the bulk of the rest I wrote fresh from English sources) likely needs wordsmithinh — Masem (t) 13:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- From the perspective a cynic like me (call it valid or invalid if you like), I'd love to see this article discuss more actual ramifications than it already does. Switzerland has apparently been told to "reassess and address its climate change goals". What exactly does this entail and what would be the punishment for not doing so? All the comments here claim this ruling is so terribly important, yet honestly I don't see that well substantiated in the article. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, in that this doesn't have immediate or extremely visible material impact in the near term. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
New Irish Taoiseach
Blurb: Simon Harris becomes the new (and youngest) Taoiseach of Ireland after Leo Varadkar's sudden resignation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Simon Harris becomes the youngest Taoiseach of Ireland after Leo Varadkar's resignation.
Alternative blurb II: Simon Harris will becomes Ireland's youngest taoiseach following the resignation of Leo Varadkar after running unopposed in the election.
Alternative blurb III: Simon Harris becomes the new Taoiseach of Ireland after Leo Varadkar's resignation.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: There were two nominations at ITN already (one for Varadkar's resignation, one for Harris' nomination) and both had the consensus to wait until today. ITN/R as new executive head of state. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Simon Harris has some citation needed tags and I've added a failed verification check based on a cursory glance of the article. Taoiseach is correctly orange tagged for more sources. If Harris' article is fixed, then that could be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per Joseph. And I would remove the mention that he is the youngest Taoiseach. It is trivial and irrelevant information for practical purposes. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's no real reason not to include it since we have to post the change anyways. I'd phrase it like "Simon Harris becomes the youngest Taoiseach of Ireland" though, excising the "new (and". BSMRD (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I still think it is unnecessary information. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this might make it seem to unfamiliar readers that there were multiple taoisigh, of whom Varadkar was the youngest, and that his resignation makes Harris the new youngest. It's worth noting his youth as an separate feature to his newness. Perhaps "…becomes the new Taoiseach of Ireland, and the youngest ever, after Leo…" although I accept it's a bit wordy. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 07:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's no real reason not to include it since we have to post the change anyways. I'd phrase it like "Simon Harris becomes the youngest Taoiseach of Ireland" though, excising the "new (and". BSMRD (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle once article issues are closed This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support once issues are resolved. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support once maintenance tags are resolved. microbiologyMarcus [petri dish·growths] 18:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - once everything is ready quality-wise, per above. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) XZ Utils backdoor
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Blurb: A maliciously introduced backdoor in the Linux utility xz within the liblzma library is found. The issue has been assigned a CVSS score of 10.0, the highest possible score. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Usernamekiran (talk · give credit)
- Stale - The correct date for this nomination would had been the 29 March unfortunately so it's stale as far as ITN is concerned. -- KTC (talk) 17:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per KTC, article is stale ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose — Not significant. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Stale as this happened on 29 March, which is older than last of the current front page blurbs (1 April). Joseph2302 (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
April 8
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RD: Ralph Puckett
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Medal of Honor Winner.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are two cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bill Gunter
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tallahassee Democrat
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- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
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Florida politician from back in the day. Needs work. Curbon7 (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there is an orange tag and the article has only two sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are 2 sources (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted as blurb) RD/Blurb: Peter Higgs
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Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Nobel prize winning theoretical physicist Peter Higgs (pictured in 2013) dies at the age of 94. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support - great looking article ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - good quality, would support a blurb. Polyamorph (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - One of the key figures in this field. I’ve added a blurb as think he meets notability for one. yorkshiresky (talk) 17:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - The Higgs boson is a very important discovery of the 21st century in terms of science. Lukt64 (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Higgs boson particle is worldwide known. If we are ever going to blurb a scientist, this should be just the case to do it. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Article is fine. Black Kite (talk) 17:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - article is okay, significant physicist. PhilKnight (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - A monumental figure in the field of theoretical physics. --TheDutchViewer (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb This is a clear-cut case, and the article looks fine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Top of his field, article in good shape and his discoveries are popular/noted worldwide. Good case for a blurb (regardless of age). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 20:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Pull Death has no immediate consequences and is not notable in manner. We are already far too liberal with death blurbs. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support - why even bother, orbitalbuzzsaw? There's no way this will be pulled at this point. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I really do hate how many deathblurbs get posted. I think we should limit them to incumbent politicians or if the manner of death is notable (e.g. assassination) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Pull Name any Physics conference, professional sports match or equivalent thing in other areas which mourns the death of Higgs, then I'll support. Didgogns (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Pull blurb I do agree that most death blurbs are a mistake and this is why we have RD. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb I'm fine with getting rid of death blurbs, but while they exist in their current iteration this qualifies as someone who is at the absolute top of their field. Curbon7 (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support blurb. It's very easy to see how Higgs meets the currently generally-accepted threshold of "at the top of their respective field." And for the record, I agree with this generally-accepted criteria. But the only reason why I felt the need to !vote at all was the sudden pull !votes from editors that want a different criteria. As I've said before, it bothers me how every RD-as-a-blurb discussion becomes a forum where editors debate what they think the criteria should be. No one individual blurb nomination will ever be the place where that issue gets settled once and for all. Right now, there exists an informal understanding that "the top of one's respective field" is the criteria we tend to go by these days. A very vocal minority wishing for a stricter criteria or a permanent end to posting deaths as blurbs expresses dissatisfaction with this every time one of these gets posted, but always to no avail as they're still the minority at this time. If we ever want to get a formal criteria to put the issue to bed once and for all, the only place where that's going to happen is the talk page, not here. So as Rockstone said, why even bother? Vanilla Wizard 💙 01:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support although I usually do not support death blurb but he is one of the most influential people in his field therefore his death is pretty significant. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I’m sure cheese makers mourn the death of a prominent cheese maker, but just because someone is prominent in their field shouldn’t qualify them for a deathblurb. The manner or direct impact of the death are not notable (e.g. a serving head of state/government’s death is notable as change of head of state for some other reason would be notable, and the assassination of a famous person is notable because it receives world headlines), and thus, it does not qualify to be on ITN in its own right This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support for blurb The man literally has a subatomic particle named after him. If there's anyone notable for a RD blurb in physics, it's him. Melmann 08:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Eclipse
Blurb: A total solar eclipse is visible across North America. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)
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Last total sun eclipse till late 2026. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Appropriately orange tagged. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Question Have we ever posted an eclipse before? HiLo48 (talk) 00:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's listed on ITNR under celestial events NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 00:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, see here as an example of an eclipse that was previously posted to ITN (there are a couple more examples mentioned there, too). 92.18.110.33 (talk) 02:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm surprised it would be on ITRN - but it's only total solar eclipses that are ITNR. On average, only about 1/3 of eclipses are ever total. On average, there's a solar eclipse every 5 months or so, but it's only total every 16 months or so. So I guess we only have to debate quality. Nfitz (talk) 02:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose on quality (orange tag to fix).Support, issues have been fixed! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 02:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)- Support It's happening soon and is all over the media, and live streams have already started. The orange banner tag, which was there for six years, was quite ridiculous as it's trivial to find reliable coverage of the track and we even have a nice animation (above) thanks to NASA. Everyone who complained about this without doing something about it should please read WP:JUSTDOIT. Anyway, the most important point is that it's better to report this before it happens rather than afterwards, so that readers get a reminder to take a look for themselves and so don't miss it. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. We always seem to post astronomical events well after they're over, with the snarky undertone of "and, ha ha ha, you missed it". —Cryptic 09:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- That is true. If we don't post it today then I think the item will be too stale and not useful enough to put up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, would be great to post it before it happens! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah. We always seem to post astronomical events well after they're over, with the snarky undertone of "and, ha ha ha, you missed it". —Cryptic 09:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is fine, it's WP:ITNR and thus have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's happening soon and is all over the media as @Andrew Davidson said (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is in a good shape and it is getting extensive media coverage. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support timely ITN we should post this now. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article looks decent. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine. Just post it now. Shanes (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 16:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I am prepping File:Solar eclipse of April 2024 from Indianapolis.jpg for image protection as an image of the eclipse taken at totality, now that it's happened.
Ongoing: War in Sudan (2023–present)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Lukt64 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Add timeline as well. Continuation of last weeks discussion that had consensus but with admin opposition. Lukt64 (talk) 18:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the proposal to link both the article and the timeline, e.g. "War in Sudan (timeline), that seemed to have consensus in the Mar. 31 discussion; I don't know why it wasn't posted. Consensus is not a vote, of course, but 14 in favor and 3 against seems pretty cut and dry. DecafPotato (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Again, ongoing is for a constant stream of blurb-worthy events that would clog ITN if they were all added. If we were to add this, we might as well add every armed conflict. This is not getting a sufficient amount of media attention, and a relatively updated article isn't enough. ITN is not a war ticker. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- ITN is NOT a war ticker, but war is the #1 thing being covered in the news right now. Lukt64 (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find a single front page headline on Sudan in any media outlet. The significance isn't there PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- ITN is NOT a war ticker, but war is the #1 thing being covered in the news right now. Lukt64 (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support inasmuch as we did it with Ukraine, plus earlier consensus on 31 March This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not seeing the consistent substantial updates to the timeline article that Ongoing demands. The updates are daily, but they are very short (ie RSF does x, SAF claims y, etc). DarkSide830 (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with the timeline - Previous proposal had consensus, admin opposition is not a supervote. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it wasn't admin opposition. The article is not being updated sufficiently for ongoing. The timeline is a ticker of trivial events. Stephen 23:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot bite my tongue on this one. I acknowledge you probably did not intend it badly, but the most recent updates to the timeline talk about various massacres/battles which have killed hundreds of innocent people. Just because the victims come from a war-torn country like Sudan and there is less detail about the exact circumstances of their deaths, does not render these peoples brutal deaths a "ticker of trivial events"... I think we should be sensitive about our choice of words here, especially when talking about these sorts of global issues. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that this is an absolutely horrifying conflict, with an immense human toll. However, without sounding like a heartless monster, there is no such policy as 'WP:MINIMUMDEATHS', and there being casualties and massacres in a war zone, as awful as it is, I don't think indicates an excessive amount of notability. There are many armed conflicts in the world; people are being tortured and kidnapped by Mexican cartels as we speak, ISIS is still committing atrocities in Syria. There are detailed and updated timeline articles for these wars. But at the end of the day, this is In The News, and I think our standards for notability go beyond just posting tragedies of a certain scale. He could have phrased it better, but I agree that there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about Sudan compared to many other conflicts that make it fit for ongoing. Just my opinion, I don't mean to trivialise these events. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- An admin thinking the timeline is a ticker of trivial events (a subjective opinion, and not one that appears to be consensus) is very much "admin opposition". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- By the time it was autoarchived, a consensus of 14:2 believed the updates to the relevant target articles were sufficient to post (a couple editors implied they opposed but never !voted, even accounting for them it was near unanimous). It was 14:1 when I marked it as ready; you disagreed and unmarked it as such and allowed it to be archived. I don't think you were being malicious at all, I just think you may want to be more cautious about overriding consensus in the future. Despite you technically not !voting, it was clear throughout the discussion how you would have !voted, so it's fair to say you were an involved editor when unilaterally deciding it wasn't ready after all. Just to be clear, I'm absolutely not trying to attack your character or your judgment or dogpile on you or make you feel bad, I just think this was a misstep and I hope you'll understand why some editors feel that way. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot bite my tongue on this one. I acknowledge you probably did not intend it badly, but the most recent updates to the timeline talk about various massacres/battles which have killed hundreds of innocent people. Just because the victims come from a war-torn country like Sudan and there is less detail about the exact circumstances of their deaths, does not render these peoples brutal deaths a "ticker of trivial events"... I think we should be sensitive about our choice of words here, especially when talking about these sorts of global issues. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with the timeline per Chaotic Enby. This should have already been posted, as I believe there was already a prior consensus to post. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with timeline as there are frequent and significant updates Fileyfood500 (talk) 02:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with timeline - per above. The conflict is still one of the most significant wars going on right now, and the timeline article is being updated on the regular. To be brutally honest, I don't quite understand why it was even removed in the first place. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with timeline - As Chaotic Enby already said, there was already clear consensus to post last time but it was supervoted down. No disrespect intended towards the admin in question, I don't think they had any malicious intentions, but this is an accurate description of what happened the way I see it. And it remains true that Timeline of the War in Sudan (2023–present) is getting frequent and significant updates. And yes, these are updates that would be individually blurbworthy had it not been for the fact that they're part of a long and protracted war: people being killed in the triple digits daily, significant offensives being started, etc. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with timeline per @Bucket of sulfuric acid's above arguments (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 18:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. (again) Strange that this was not promoted based on the previous clear consensus. I just fixed the two big red errors among the 448 references. (§) I'm not sure that including text via an extract template is ideal, as one has to really dig to find referencing problems in the daughter article, whereas ideally there would be a summary in the section included in the parent article... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 18:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment another battle of Wad Madani has begun. Battle of Wad Madani (2024) Lukt64 (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- High support with timeline and overall status. I'm the person who has been announcing a lot of the things happening in this conflict in the last few days. It's been growing especially around Khartoum and a large battle in Wad Madani started today. Along with the dengue crisis within the capital and many other things. I don't even know why this war was taken out of current events. NYMan6 (talk) 22:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Timeline article is mostly single sentence updates without paragraphs or additional depth about specific events; of insufficient quality and depth to be featured at ITN/R. Only 3 of the lines since March 1 were of more than one sentence. Conversely, the War in Sudan (2023–present) does have a little more depth, however insufficient updates about recent events, with only 3 sentences in the body appearing to refer to events in April 2024 (the past 9 days). Based on the comments above, there are events going on, but just not in sufficient depth or quality for these articles to be featured in the Ongoing section. SpencerT•C 04:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- It has a lot more depth, indeed. I've added a couple more sentences from an April 10 Reuters report and three more from a March 29 Al Jazeera report on the impending famine. I've also added a section to the talk page explaining that the in-depth article is being criticized for not having enough updates in the last 9 days, while the timeline article is being criticized for having too many short updates. My hope is that by providing actual feedback to the authors, this will lead to a better entry and a better ITN decision than was made last time (i.e. not posting when there was clear consensus to post). 10.7 million people were estimated to be displaced by January 2024, 5 million are facing famine. 18 million "acute food insecurity". -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 19:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Spencer and Stephen: I should also add that it's very likely there will be quite a number of media organizations publishing articles on the 1-year anniversary of the conflict in the next 5 days. Not sure why en.wp would not do the same given the strong majority in both the last nomination and this one for promotion. That said, I'm not a fan of the one-line updates to the timeline entry. (I didn't !vote for *its* inclusion last time either.) -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 22:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
April 7
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RD: Michael Boder
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Violin Channel
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
German conductor focused on world premiere at the great opera houses of the world. I began the article long ago, and sadly updated. Some refs were lost but replaced. There would be much more to say ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Chryssie Lytton Cobbold, Baroness Cobbold
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/04/09/lady-cobbold-chatelaine-knebworth-concerts-died-obituary/
Credits:
- Created by Richiepip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Richiepip (talk · give credit)
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British aristocrat and writer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
(Reviewers needed) RD: Karen Yarbrough
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WBBM, CBS News
Credits:
- Nominated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American politician who served for Cook County, Illinois. The article needs work, especially with several unsourced paragraphs and a couple short sections which should either be expanded or merged. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 01:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to go now! Any reviewers who can take a look at it now are appreciated. :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Mozambique boat disaster
Blurb: A ferry carrying approximately 130 people sinks off the coast of Mozambique, leaving at least 100 dead. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, France24
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Created by Mucube (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 82.174.61.58 (talk · give credit), Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Shipwrecks that kill 100+ people aren't exactly run of the mill events, so I'm a little surprised this wasn't nominated. Article needs a lot of work, though. The Kip 23:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. I considered nominating this, but the article is a bit stubby. Natg 19 (talk) 23:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article on the boat tragedy is unfortunately a bit short, but the who-what-where-when-why is there. Bremps... 01:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article is 1,200 characters long, which is still basically a stub. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
(Reviewers needed) RD: Jerry Grote
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
There are dead refs to fix. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- They're all from the same magazine, Baseball Digest, I think simply removing the links and making them offline sources suffices. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: Doesn't that go against WP:KDL? Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, I've put them back. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: Doesn't that go against WP:KDL? Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted combined blurb) 2024 NCAA Division I women's/men's basketball championship games
Blurb: In NCAA Division I basketball, the South Carolina Gamecocks win the women's championship (MOP Kamilla Cardoso pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: In NCAA Division I basketball, the South Carolina Gamecocks win the women's championship (MOP Kamilla Cardoso pictured) and the UConn Huskies win the men's championship.
News source(s): CBS Sports (women's) / Associated Press (men's)
Credits:
- Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Iowamutt (talk · give credit), Mooreux (talk · give credit), PCN02WPS (talk · give credit) and Smitty Smitty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Men's championship (tomorrow night) is also ITN/R. Blurb will be updated with men's winner after that game but no reason not to go ahead and post the women. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks in great shape. Obviously some "Aftermath" content is forthcoming, but what has been written looks to be well-written and sourced. Nice to see a sports article in good shape this soon after it's conclusion. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait post combined blurb when the men's tournament is completed. Natg 19 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is detailed and sourced, with detailed box scores Fileyfood500 (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Post now, update with the men's result tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in great shape, although it might need some small fixes, it's good enough for ITN.
- Support, article is well-written and well-cited. Can post this one now and combine with the men's blurb tomorrow. The Kip 03:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nomination updated for men's final - altblurb added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The men's final article still has two unsourced paragraphs. Black Kite (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Black Kite Just added sources to both of those. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD:Joe Kinnear
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, National World
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Football Manager. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Well-sourced and overall of high article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support good enough for ITN quality, so marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 10:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Slovak presidential election
Blurb: Peter Pellegrini is elected President of Slovakia. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Braganza (talk · give credit)
Not as important as the Prime Minister of Slovakia, but notable enough. Classicwiki (talk) 01:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle Not ITNR, but this election is quite significant both regionally and internationally due to the NATO-Russia conflict; Pellegrini's election gives Fico more legitimacy and cements Slovakia as a firmly pro-Russian country within NATO. The campaign section is orange-tagged for expansion. Curbon7 (talk) 02:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support not ITN/R as above but a national election nonetheless This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Curbon; we also have precedent from posting the Czech presidential election last year, where the opposite, but comparably significant geopolitical outcome occurred. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support got quite a lot attention in media Braganza (talk) 05:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support due to the fact that the elections are nationwide and he is elected directly by the people. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We publish more than enough ITN/R politicians and so don't need secondary ones like this too. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality campaign section is correctly orange tagged as needing expansion. Aftermath section should also be expanded, since almost all of the English-language coverage about this election is related to his pro-Russian policies, which have one sentence on them (which isn't enough of a representation). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the lack of content in the campaign section and the underdeveloped state of the article seems somewhat contradictory to the above claims that this election was particularly notable even in spite of it not being ITNR. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There aren’t enough details in the article to make this seem notable enough for ITN. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joseph E. Brennan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Working on expanding it – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support - needs more details on death.
'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''
(talk|contribs) 00:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Weak Support Personal life section needs expansion and more sources.PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)- If you can find any, you're welcome to present those sources and details. I've looked. All I see in Google searching and Newspapers.com is he lived on Munjoy Hill, had a wife named Connie, and two children. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
adding source for spouse's name and number of children would be sufficient.PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you can find any, you're welcome to present those sources and details. I've looked. All I see in Google searching and Newspapers.com is he lived on Munjoy Hill, had a wife named Connie, and two children. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support I added some additional details to the personal life section about his children. The article is of sufficient quality. I also note the exact cause of death is not available online, likely for privacy reasons. Given he died at 89, I do not think having the exact cause of death in the article is a prerequisite for being posted to RD. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is now ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Electoral history section is unreferenced. Stephen 23:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Stephen, I ref'd it. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Ecuador-Mexico diplomatic crisis
Blurb: Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador after the latter storms its embassy in Quito. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador in response to Ecuadorian police forcibly entering the Mexican embassy in Quito.
Alternative blurb II: Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador in response to Ecuadorian police forcibly entering the Mexican embassy in Quito.
News source(s): Washington Post, El Pais
Credits:
- Nominated by Ixtal (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 廣九直通車 (talk · give credit) and Aquintero82 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ixtal (talk • contribs) 11:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Mexico seems to have completely broken off any relations with Ecuador. That's pretty major. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for events to escalate.
'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''
(talk|contribs) 14:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- They broke diplomatic relations. Isn't that enough escalation? They won't (let's hope) go to an actual war over this. Cambalachero (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support given that it's already a full breaking of diplomatic relationships, we can't really predict whether there will be further escalation but that enough is already notable. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support A pretty big event and Mexico have broken its relations. We posted 2023 Canada–India diplomatic crisis [3] even though there was no official breaking of relations between those two countries. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's no dedicated article and not much of an update. Coverage doesn't seem significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose'solely due to lack of a dedicated article. The incident is quite serious and almost without modern precedent. It warrants an article, and a blurb.-Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- There is zero requirement for a standalone article, only that either we have a new article of reasonable length or that there has been a significant update to an existing article. I am on the edge of supporting this on significance, but in terms of quality there would likely need to be at least a few more paragraphs in the target article (in addition to overall article quality) to support. — Masem (t) 16:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support big international incident. The article is properly updated. Cambalachero (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support, major international incident - like the Syria airstrike, one nation violating the diplomatic territory of another is significant. The Kip 18:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support as this a relatively important event given that Mexico is a regional power. Would prefer some updates to article and would like to see if this escalates but not opposed to posting it. Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Collapsing derailment by an IP editor blocked for appalling racism Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: The Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador has been started. You may wish to include that in the blurb, when it is ready. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, Ecuador–Mexico diplomatic incident has been created. I requested speedy deletion of that article because it was created later and had less info under CSD A10/WP:Dup guidelines. 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito has also been created and another user created a merge request between that and Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador. Thought I'd make these comments for awareness as there is a discussion about a lack of a dedicated article. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, I'd say 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito is the most complete, and has the more precise and accurate title. If the diplomatic incident expands, having a separate article for it might be a good thing, but right now it's a massive case of WP:TOOSOON. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- That article is in poor shape. Half of it is reaction kudzu, and the actual events are two paragraphs total. This is why a separate article wasn't needed, just expansion in the current relations one. — Masem (t) 00:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, I'd say 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito is the most complete, and has the more precise and accurate title. If the diplomatic incident expands, having a separate article for it might be a good thing, but right now it's a massive case of WP:TOOSOON. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, Ecuador–Mexico diplomatic incident has been created. I requested speedy deletion of that article because it was created later and had less info under CSD A10/WP:Dup guidelines. 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito has also been created and another user created a merge request between that and Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador. Thought I'd make these comments for awareness as there is a discussion about a lack of a dedicated article. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb with 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador as the target. I'm not wild about all the reaction cruft, but that can be sorted out through the usual processes of editing and consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose on Quality per Ad Orientem. We now have content in the article about the actual event itself. Fantastic. The article is still over 90% cruft, but it's progress! DarkSide830 (talk) 01:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Quality issues resolved to my liking. Switching to support. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose on quality: the new article, while well sourced, can definitely be expanded.Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)- Support alt ii: article is ready. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 03:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support a big international incident. LiamKorda 07:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support pending expansion article is a wee bit short now and mostly reactions. However, this is unprecedented in international relations - even the Israel-Iran shindig was the consulate, not the embassy. Juxlos (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Even more technically, there once stood a Forbidden Building of Mystery beside the consulate/embassy/whatever. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb II Article looks good enough, I've seen shorter articles getting blurbed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support with 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador as the target. Banedon (talk) 09:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Also maybe add nicaragua also broke relations. It is more than just a reaction.37.252.92.174 (talk) 16:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted There's consensus for altblurb II. Schwede66 05:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
April 5
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RD: Mahammed Dionne
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.barrons.com/news/former-senegal-prime-minister-and-presidential-candidate-dies-6454d4a9
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Prime Minister of Senegal, 2014-2019. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 04:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is a bit short but still it has resources and just enough information to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: C. J. Snare
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]
Credits:
- Nominated by thrashbandicoot01 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Discospinster (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American rock singer best known as the lead singer of the band FireHouse.
- Oppose the entire discography section is unsourced and there is one orange tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- This stubby wikibio currently has only 149 words of prose. Please expand it. --PFHLai (talk) 10:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 New Jersey earthquake
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: A magnitude 4.8 earthquake hits New Jersey, making it the strongest eartkquake to affect the state since 1783. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.fox29.com/news/earthquake-did-you-feel-it-philadelphia-area-shaking
Credits:
- Nominated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Little to no damage. No casualties. Seemingly the most consequential thing to happen were the temporary closings of some important pieces of infrastructure but none of these said pieces were damaged at all. An interesting oddity, but not really ITN worthy Kosazhra (talk) 20:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Would make a good DYK, but absolutely a flash in the pan in news terms. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Unlike the Thailand quake, this was far weaker and there's no significant damage. May be unusual to NYC residents but not to the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 20:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with your argument, but the other quake was in Taiwan, not Thailand, lol. DecafPotato (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose no damage, no victims. Alarmed New Yorkers is not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Chabahar and Rask clashes
Blurb: A terrorist attack in Chabahar and Rask, Iran resulted in the death of 27 individuals, including 11 Iranian security force members and 16 militants. (Post)
News source(s): https://indianexpress.com/article/world/twenty-seven-die-militant-attack-iran-security-forces-9251245/
Credits:
- Created and nominated by 3000MAX (talk · give credit)
3000MAX (talk) 22:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Seems notable enough, but the article feels far too short for the front page. The Kip 22:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll add a little more details soon, but since the journalism in Iran works under direct harsh governmental surveillance, it's hard to find detailed information on the web to improve the article.
- Also i would be appreciate some help I'm not sure what inbox fits the best. Is there a list of inboxes so i can find the right one? 3000MAX (talk) 23:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably Template:Infobox military conflict or Template:Infobox military operation. The Kip 23:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Or Template:Infobox civilian attack? Stephen 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the target of this attack was Iranian security forces and individuals on either side were killed in the ensuing combat, I think military conflict might be the best. The Warrenpoint ambush seems somewhat comparable from an article standpoint. The Kip 23:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Or Template:Infobox civilian attack? Stephen 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably Template:Infobox military conflict or Template:Infobox military operation. The Kip 23:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on Significance, Oppose on quality the article is not in good shape. It lacks inline citations and is a bit short. But the death toll is significant therefore it should be on the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab, @The Kip New details have been added to the article, but I couldn’t delve further due to the scarcity of new and detailed informations. Unfortunately, there hasn’t been much news since the incident occurred, primarily because of the lack of active journalism in the country. 3000MAX (talk) 16:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose part of a bigger conflict and the victims do not appear to be civilians. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- It may be a part of a bigger conflict, but that conflict is not covered by ongoing and we have a blurb about Israeli airstrike in Damascus in which only 2 out of 16 dead were civilians. I didn't know we can only post when deaths are mostly civilians. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PrinceofPunjab. LiamKorda 07:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Pat Zachry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): local12.com, Cincinnati Inquirer
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose I've added a few CN tags, though the article isn't far off.The Kip 22:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- The Kip, I've resolved those. I'll check again to see if there's anything else that slipped past me earlier today. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha, changing vote to Support. The Kip 22:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- The Kip, I've resolved those. I'll check again to see if there's anything else that slipped past me earlier today. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- The birth date and location are not cited. Flibirigit (talk) 11:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Flibirigit, cited now. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article seems ready now. LiamKorda 07:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ready. Issued resolved. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 11:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Thomas Gumbleton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Fortunaa (talk · give credit) and PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Catholic Bishop.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Most of the "Early life" section is unsourced. The Kip 22:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is ready now. LiamKorda 07:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Lynne Reid Banks
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I've orange-tagged the Works section as most of it has no book ID numbers/references. There's one uncited sentence as well. The Kip 22:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the books section is not ready. LiamKorda 07:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Abu Maria al-Qahtani
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
One cn tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article seems good enough. LiamKorda 07:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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