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Invasion of Time edits

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Template:Infobox German location

Hi Redrose. Is it fair to assume that you've given up on fixing the establishment year problem? If that's indeed the case, I'll go ahead and ask for help at WP:BOTREQ so that we can just remove the problematic code from the template. Of course if you want to have another go at fixing the template, I'm in no rush. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 19:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I was waiting for others to offer opinion on my proposed criteria. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. Let's wait some more. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 19:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

CBS Records redux

Someone is trying to put too much info on the CBS Records article about the former CBS Records entity which is now Sony Music Entertainment. Please investigate and possible head off a possible edit war in the CBS Records article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess I've been asked because I commented on this matter just twice before - two years ago at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Record Labels#CBS Records to be precise. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Woodlands Road Metrolink station

Redrose64, I understand it is you who removed my edits to Woodlands Rd Metrolink. I have re-inserted them with references added. I presume that is what citations means. I have obviously done something wrong because the urls etc appear in the references rather than just the reference title, however they appear workable and as I am going to be out of the country for the next few days I am not able to immediately work out how to correct them and do it. Also I need to hyperlink "Railways Act 2005" to its Wikepedia entry The issue of Woodlands Road and the Metrolink generally are highly contentious and it unwise of Wikepedia to rely on Metrolink`s spin eg Metrolink claim a service frequency ( they do not have a proper timetable as a conventional rail or bus company would understand it )which is seldom adhered to so even the statement "trams stopping every 6 minutes is inaccurate" needs supposed inserting Please note I know what I am talking about and as an expert witness inc high court cases I am scrupulous in checking my facts. I have added a history of the whole Woodlands Road saga so you are aware of some of the issues. If answering could you please use my E-Mail below necause as you will gather I am not particularly into Wikepedia. Regards (Redacted)

APPENDIX C A Detailed History The detailed history of Woodlands Road Station and how it came to have a reduced service is as follows:-

3rd March 1913, The Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway opens Woodlands Road Station, hereafter referred to as Woodland Road, on the Manchester to Bury via Crumpsall line. 6th April 1992 Metrolink tram services start serving Woodlands Road replacing the main line electric trains, which had operated since 1913 opening. Sometime in 2007/8 The Association of Greater Manchester Authorities (AGMA), Manchester City Council (MCC) and the Greater Manchester Integrated Transport Authority (GMITA)[later Greater Manchester Public Transport Executive (GMPTE) then Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM)] apply to the Community Infrastructure Fund (CIF) for the construction of two new stations at Queens Road and Abraham Moss (see Appendix A) and the closure of Woodlands Road. The CIF was announced in the Housing Green Paper (July 2007) for transport schemes to support Growth Areas, Growth Points and Eco-towns. Schemes that did not offer direct/indirect support for housing were rejected at the second stage in a two-stage appraisal process. April 2008 Above bodies invited to submit a full business case. May 2009 Full business case submitted, produced by consultancy steer davies gleave £6.85M funding requested. Note this Report showed that nearly all the sites for significant housing development were in the neighbourhood of Queens Road with some near Woodlands Road and relatively few near Abraham Moss. 30 Oct 2009 CIF grant awarded but only for £3.84M Note, but for 2 stations, presumably Queens Road and Abraham Moss.

May 2010 Consultancy steer davies grieve produce Appraisal Report for the closure of Woodlands Road. Note this Report assumes both Queens Road and Abraham Moss are opened. 21 May 2010 MCC agrees that Abraham Moss be given priority over Queens Road “following discussions with HCA” (Homes and Communities Agency – which was administering CIF grants) Notwithstanding this HCA have said they were no concerned with questions of priority. Note this meant that the station that did not meet the criteria for CIF funding, Abraham Moss, was given priority over the station that met the criteria for CIF funding, Queens Road. July 2010 Department of Transport (DfT) receives request from GMPTE for closure of Woodlands Road. 7th July 2010 Metrolink/GMPTE hold consultation meeting at Abraham Moss School. Note, that as this was in parallel with the request to the Secretary of State for the Woodlands Road Closure clearly indicating that MCC/GMPTE/ Metrolink had made up their mind and the consultation was meaningless. 19th Aug 2010 MCC gives planning approval for the Abraham Moss. 8th December 2010 DfT announce closure notice for Woodlands Road with a consultation period ending of 9th February 2011. Note, it was pointed out that this was less than the 10 weeks required by the 2005 Railways Act. 7 Feb 2011 End of consultation date revised until 23rd March Metrolink announces delay in closure date from 28th February 2011 to 27th May 2011. 23 March 2011 End of consultation period after correction to meet the requirements of the 2005 Railways Act. 11 April 2011 Metrolink announces trams will only serve Woodlands Road between 10am and 4pm and only on weekdays from 18 April 2011 Note, one weeks notice. 18 April 2011 Reduced service at Woodlands Road as per the above commences.

The detailed history of the opposition is as follows:

Aug 2009 Media reports Leader Of MCC saying that Abraham Moss and Queens Road would be opening and Woodlands Road Closing. Sept 2009 Representations made to Councillors opposing Woodlands Road closure. October 2009 to January 2010 Petition opposing closure of Woodland Road goes around – 1300 + sign 6th Jan 2010 Petition handed in to North Manchester Regeneration Manager 7th Jan 2010 Copy of Petition handed to Metrolink/GMPTE 7th July 2010 Consultation Meeting – considerable opposition to closure voiced 1st November 2010 SoS (Save our Station0 Committee formed to fight closure. Dec 2011 to Mar 2011. Numerous letters sent to Secretary of State opposing closure plus Report rebutting points/ correcting inaccuracies made in Closure Appraisal Report. 14th Feb 2011 Demonstration at Woodland Road opposing closure. 19th March 2011 Public Meeting on Closure attended by MCC, GMPTE, Metrolink. Community attendees voiced unanimous opposition to closure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pravda2012 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Olympics

I think Ryan now has the lists he wanted. If you could ask him if he still wants a list of specifically mine I'd be grateful just to be sure. Regards.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

{{sclass}} requested edit

Redrose, would you mind reverting the requested edit you made to {{sclass}} per the discussion at Template_talk:Sclass#Edit_request_on_26_August_2012, which includes the suggestion by the original requesting editor that "my requested template change should be reverted, at least until discussion is finished"? Thanks in advance, 212.183.128.232 (talk) 21:39, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - much appreciated. 212.183.128.175 (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

User: 216.31.246.114

Hey, RedRose!

I saw the latest round of nonsense with the sock's talk page and had a little word with the blocking editor, DennisBrown. He's now removed talk page access, extended the block to six months (I didn't expect that big an extension!) and blanked the page. That ought to slow him down for a while. --Drmargi (talk) 01:33, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 09:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks you for the colors

Thank you for fixing the colors issue in Temecula Preparatory School. I really appreciate it. Cheers! --Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 22:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

And the map!--Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 23:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For your help with the two issues I had in the Temecula Preparatory School article. I prefer to give out fruit as a token of goodwill as it is very healthy, but if you'd like, you can dip the strawberries in chocolate. Cheers! WingtipvorteX PTT ∅ 23:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Woodbridge and Bealings

Thanks for your note - i have added page numbers as advised.--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Moffat's wikiarticle

Hi R. I hope that you enjoyed last nights episode. I am wondering if you have any idea why Steven Moffat's page gets more than the usual (it seems that way to me anyway) invective and trolling. I am not aware of any ill feelings towards him over here. Has he rubbed people the wrong way in the UK? Regards. MarnetteD | Talk 14:03, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes thanks. Moffat is the incumbent Chief Writer, so is bound to attract criticism; more so because Russell T Davies was a hard act to follow. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. IMO he has taken what RTD started and expanded and enhanced it but that is just me. OOf I hate to think about the pounding that some who worked on the Classic series would have taken (not just JN-T) if the net had been around back then. MarnetteD | Talk 16:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Apart from some low-circulation fanzines, there was really only the DWAS and DWM (which then as now was moderated by an editorial team). DWM was launched just in time for people to start moaning about The Creature from the Pit. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

One of the highlights of my early fandom was driving from Greeley to Denver each month to get the new edition of DWM and/or the next Target book release. There was one bookstore that carried them and they had a deal with the DW Fan Club of America for 10% off for their members. Ah memories of when gas was only 50 cents a gallon. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm the nay-sayer of the group, but I find Moffat's writing and story telling a huge improvement over RTD's overwrought narratives; as someone once said, Davies could start a story but not finish one. I'm not surprised to see negative comments in various reviews about Moffat, particularly from the "first is always best" set; Jenna-Louise Coleman will get the same, I'm sure. Moffat did some brave writing by resetting canon with regard to the Daleks last night, and I'm sure he's going to catch hell for it in some quarters. Small wonder the tiny-minds and petty-deeds brigade have been at his article. --Drmargi (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

"Moffat did some brave writing by resetting canon with regard to the Daleks" I could hear River Song saying "Spoilers" as I read that part of your post :-). Again I wonder what the internets reaction would have been when Terry Nation reset the canon on his own creation with Genesis of the Daleks. MarnetteD | Talk 16:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:WikiProject Automobiles

Your reference to WP:NOTBROKEN is in error; please see my comment at Template talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Dab needed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

sorry

Fixing. I'm wondering how's happen....And thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justincheng12345 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

And sorry for not signing.....I'm in a hurry to fix it ...Justincheng12345 (talk) (urgent news here) 15:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Illinois Family Institute

I am surprised to agreed so quickly to the edit request at Illinois Family Institute. It strikes me as being very POV - indeed, I have removed the relevant designation from the template itself. What reason do you have for adding it? StAnselm (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Navboxes are normally placed on the articles that they are linked to. This navbox links to several articles concerning prejudice. There was a link to Illinois Family Institute in that navbox. If there had not been, I would have rejected the request. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I have removed the link from the template, and started a discussion at Template talk:LGBT#SPLC-listed hate groups. So would you be able to remove the template from the article, please? StAnselm (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

OK,  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Template

Hello there. Recently you implemented an edit notice found here. I have left details of other articles where we're hoping you'll also implement at a convenient time for you. Cheers! Zepppep (talk) 02:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Eglwyscummin

Sorry about the double grid reference: that was a typo on my part. I don't agree, however, that "it's pointless giving an accuracy of 100 m (gridref)". Whatever the size of the community area the map has to be centred somewhere inside it, and citing an accuracy of less than about 100 m frequently gives rise to a situation where the maps generated by the GeoHack toolserver display an almost, or sometimes even totally, blank area at the default zoom levels set. My experience is that six-figure GRs work well in avoiding this problem as far as the Welsh community areas are concerned. (The larger the size of the community area, and therefore the lower the density of inhabitation, the more likely this problem is to occur, in fact!) I do agree though that 1000th of a degree accuracy is sufficient for the lat./long. coordinates in this respect, and I've adjusted them accordingly. --Picapica (talk) 10:42, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

The Glass House (Fulham)

Thanks so much for fixing the coordinate settings so that the push-pin works! It's a beautiful thing!--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I've replied at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Help please: The Glass House. It's a quick fix, there is much else that can be cleaned up. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the pointer on adding stubs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewman327 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

An Unearthly Child

Hello! I've just come to this article because I thought it might be a good idea to try to get this up to FA and on the main page for the 50th? Someone else suggested The Doctor (Doctor Who), which would be nice, but that looks an enormous project! Anyway, as your recent edit summary says you have the first guide of that companion, would it be possible to add page numbers to the appropriate references? Just when you have time, that'd be great. Thanks. The JPS^{talk to me} 10:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Among the things on my to-do list for today is An Unearthly Child, specifically the page numbers for

• Howe, David J.; Stammers, Mark; Walker, Stephen James (1994). Doctor Who The Handbook - The First Doctor. London: Doctor Who Books. ISBN 0-426-20430-1. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

I'll see what I can do with The Doctor (Doctor Who). --Redrose64 (talk) 11:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Class 458 data

Please leave the data regarding class 458's alone.. I happen to drive the wretched units and know them from top to tail, I know that the units maximum speed is 90 mph. and if I don't know that by now after driving them for last 7½ years then I must be losing the plot, especially as it states Maximum Speed 90mph in the driving cabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wazza2012 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Then please supply a reliable third-party source, per the policy on verifiability. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

In relation to the above, just a polite warning not to edit war on articles, constructive commentary with the editor you were engaged in would have been much more helpful, as you have now learned, you've been engaging with an expert in the area you have been editing in (and is someone who I can vouch for), and Wikipedia really could make use of knowledgable editors. Don't bite them, not fight with them and please don't edit war with them. I trust you know the Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule already, but take a little time to read over it again. I don't intend to take any action against you know as obviously the article appears to have settled down, any block would be punitive rather than preventative and I'm slightly involved as I know one of the contributors, but be aware not everybody with access to the block button is likely to take the same course of action. Kind regards, Nick (talk) 09:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I see an IP has put the 90 mph back in, with reference to a pdf source which says "Max Speed Designed for 100 mph, limited to 90 mph with current brake disc." From the article- "Traction units will be re-geared from 90 mph maximum". I'd interpret that as a maximum speed of 100 mph, restricted to 90 mph (because of sub-standard brakes) by the gearing. Ning-ning (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be an internal Porterbrook document. I certainly wouldn't have known to hunt there. But Wikipedia is built around information obtained from third-party sources - is Porterbrook third-party? The Platform 5 book cited in Class 458 is third-party, and definitely states "Braking: Disc & regenerative; Maximum Speed: 100 mph". It's stated this - or something equivalent - in every edition since 1999; the 1998 edition, which was the first to include Class 458, didn't mention the regen brakes. Ideally we would have a ref to an article in Modern Railways or similar describing the difficulties, which explicitly states the max speed and the reasons for it being what it is. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't get hung up on third party sources, get hung up on reliable sources for articles like this. This article and the vast majority concerning railways, rolling stock etc, will have no third party sources, everything, even books, will come from the manufacturer, owner or operator. As an additional caution, there are numerous books on railways, locomotives and the like which contain a massive number of errors and inaccuracies, there's an often repeated nonsense about some of the earlier electric locomotive classes having two pantographs, one for 6.25kV and one for 25kV, despite the fact they both feed into the same transformer. Porterbrook are without question a reliable source and the internal document presented above is more than suitable as a source for the 90mph claim. We have never had an issue with referring to manufacturers or other primary sources for basic technical information before. To settle this issue, I would adopt the same approach as the British Rail Class 390 page, where a design and service speed is quoted, this then provides additional information for the reader, lets people know the units can do 100mph but for whatever reason (Porterbrook state braking issues, so WP has to go with that) the service speed is currently 90mph. I'll go and see if Ian Walmsley discussed this in his recent article in Modern Railways concerning the Cl.458 + Cl.460 rebuild program, and forward on text and a reference, but even that's not great, because Ian works for Porterbrook who own the stock... Nick (talk) 17:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit requests

I have just replied to your question at Template_talk:WikiProject_Film/class#Edit request (sorry for the late reply, posting here in case you are no longer watching that) and created a related request at Template_talk:WikiProject_Film/Checks#Edit request. --Mirokado (talk) 19:40, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Further responses to both those sections. --Mirokado (talk) 13:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxes again

Seeing that you sorted out the Swiss town infobox in short order can you have a look at Template:Infobox German location (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)? I found and instance where it is putting an article in Category:Articles with missing files. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 06:11, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It didn't take me long to find two: Bettingen, Rhineland-Palatinate and Bölsdorf. Here, it's not like {{Infobox Swiss town}} where the infobox was trying to do clever stuff by guessing the image name - instead, a non-existent image is explicitly specified in the parameters. The infoboxes have |Lageplan=Bettingen (Eifel) in BIT.svg and |Lageplan=Bölsdorf in SDL.png, but File:Bettingen (Eifel) in BIT.svg and File:Bölsdorf in SDL.png do not exist. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:52, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

So how do we fix it? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 00:30, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Either amend the article to link to the proper image, as here, or blank out the |Lageplan= parameter. If this parameter is blank, no redlink will be shown and so the page will not be put in Category:Articles with missing files. Blanking is often done by CommonsDelinker (talk · contribs), ImageRemovalBot (talk · contribs) or similar bots (example). I don't know enough about how these operate to comment on why they missed these pages. You could take the matter up with commons:User:Leit, who deleted the images from commons - see the pink boxes in commons:File:Bettingen (Eifel) in BIT.svg and commons:File:Bölsdorf in SDL.png - and ask them why they didn't delink the images at the time of deletion. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits

Hello Redrose64. I notice that you created Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits. Do you wish to make any comment on WP:AN3#User:Strike2216 reported by User:Zepppep (Result: )? The complaint is about long-term edit warring on that list. One of the issues is the definition of an 'active player' per Talk:List of Major League Baseball players with 2,000 hits#Active player. I assume that there must be some consensus about the definition of an active player. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:50, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

I created the editnotice in response to this request. I was not involved in the discussions which led up to that edit request; but I have now set up eight pages to use the same generic editnotice, {{List of Major League Baseball players editnotice}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:24, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. EdJohnston (talk) 13:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Churches in Richmond (several Wikipedia articles)

Thanks for pointing out the stub issue and for rectifying it on so many of the articles I created - I'll try to do it properly next time! Headhitter (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they were showing up in Wikipedia:Database reports/Stubs included directly in stub categories/1, entries 149-155. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Swiss town

Hello Redrose64, I was wondering if you'd help me out on the Infobox Swiss town template again. I've rewritten the section that looks for maps to also accept map name inputs from the map= field and I've set it up to fail gracefully if none of the possible files exist. My version is at Template:Infobox Swiss town/sandbox and I've checked it for problems with the test cases. Everything looks fine. Will you copy my new version over to the template for me, thanks. Tobyc75 (talk) 20:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

group=lower-roman

Thanks for that! Arcane and a bit crap implementation, but thanks for noting how to make it perform in practice. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

First ever Oxford Wiki Meetup

You are invited to the first ever Oxford Wiki Meetup which will take place at The Four Candles, 51 George Street, Oxford, OX1 2BE on Sunday 4 November 2012 from 1.00 pm.

I hope as many people as possible will be able to attend so that we can make this a regular event. If you have never been to one, this is an opportunity to meet other Wikipedians in an informal atmosphere for Wiki and non-Wiki related chat and for beer or food if you like. Experienced and new contributors are all welcome. This event is definitely not restricted just to discussion of Oxford related topics. Bring your laptop if you like and use the free Wifi or just bring yourself. Even better, bring a friend! Click the link for full details. Looking forward to seeing you. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:15, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think it is too early to put the geonotice up for this one as it is only just over a month away and the first ever so the more advance notice the better. Could you do that please? Thanks, Philafrenzy (talk) 12:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:19, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

In the news

Hello R. I don't know if you've seen this news item [1]. Should we tell them that when they start performing tests on the canvass that they are going to find "This is a fake" written in felt tip pen under the paint. Enjoy your weekend and the last new ep until Xmas. MarnetteD | Talk 14:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

We've just had the first broadcast of the much-delayed Room at the Top (TV film) featuring Jenna-Louise Coleman. The two episodes went out on Weds/Thurs 26-27 September 2012 but I missed ep. 1 - luckily it's to be repeated Sunday 30 Sept. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi again. I have a question. The recent changes to the editing page has lead to my losing the "CharInsert, adds a toolbar under the edit window for quickly inserting wiki markup and special characters" even though I still have it checked in my preferences. Do you have any idea how I can restore it? My thanks ahead of time for any assistance that you can provide. MarnetteD | Talk 15:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

This is something that's come up a lot recently at WP:VPT, also at MediaWiki talk:Edittools#It's gone!. It hasn't affected me, but from what I can gather it only affects users who have certain settings at Preferences → Editing, certain gadgets, in combination with choice of skin (MonoBook or Vector). My suggestion: go to Preferences → Editing and switch off "Enable enhanced editing toolbar". That seems to help the majority of users. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

That worked. Many thanks. CheersMarnetteD | Talk 16:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I have a favour to ask. In last nights episode the freeze frame of Amy was, to my eye, very like the one of Sarah Jane in her goodbye at the end of The Hand of Fear. It could be a coincidence but if you read or hear that they did this on purpose would you please let me know. I kind of hope that they did as it would be a nice tribute to both characters and the women who breathed life into them. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:56, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Template_talk:Non-free_Crown_copyright#Request_to_reword_template

Please check the sandbox Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:44, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

VIAFbot

Just a quick note to say thanks for spotting & helping us work out the bugs in this - we've rewritten the code to be much simpler, looking for a specific place in the article to insert the template rather than its default setup of trying to be clever! It's been tested on some mockups and seems to be working okay, so we've tried it out on some of the live articles that caused problems and it worked correctly this time, leaving stub tags where they should be.

Thanks again, Andrew Gray (talk) 23:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for being so active and sticking with us trying to roll-out Authority Control, even through the rough patches. It's appreciated. Maximilianklein (talk) 20:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request at Template talk:WikiProject Death

Hello! I saw that you have made at least one edit to the {{WikiProject Death}} template, and I wonder if you would be willing to take a look at my edit request there? Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Note- I also left this message for Zanimum (talk · contribs). Thanks again! --Tgeairn (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the further fix. Looks like it works now! Cheers --Tgeairn (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Redrose64. You have new messages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility.
Message added 22:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Go Phightins! 22:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Grid refs

Sorry that this sort of thing is getting on your nerves. When OS grid refs need to be emended—since I don't really understand the OS grid system—I'm just entering the decimal coordinates at http://www.nearby.org.uk and pasting in the conversion it gives me. Deor (talk) 23:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

The Ordnance Survey used to print instructions on determining a grid ref for a given map feature (or finding a map location from its grid ref) on the inside cover of their maps; they stopped doing this several years ago. Grid refs are described at Ordnance Survey National Grid. Consider the grid ref that you quoted for Spetisbury railway station: this is grid reference ST 9139702180. The letters ST denote one of the 100x100 km squares shown in the chart at right (the red line is the 2°W meridian); and the figures indicate a coordinate within that square. These figures are considered as two equal-sized groups: 91397 is the "eastings"; 02180 is the "northings", and they represent a distance from the bottom-left corner of the square:

• a group of two figures is a measurement in kilometres;
• a group of three figures is a measurement in hundreds of metres;
• a group of four figures is a measurement in tens of metres;
• a group of five figures is a measurement in single metres;

and so on.

Returning now to Spetisbury railway station - we now know that the position that you gave represents 91397 metres to the east of the left-hand edge of square ST, and 02180 metres to the north of the lower edge of the same square. On this map may be seen the position of the station site (indicated by the orange disc) and a grid of pale blue lines, most of which are numbered; notice how the station site lies between vertical lines 91 & 92, and between horizontal lines 02 & 03. The station position may be given to 10 metre accuracy as ST91390218; to 100 metre accuracy as ST913021; or to 1 km accuracy as ST9102. Therefore, the more figures that are quoted, the greater will be the precision. But WP:OPCOORD applies to grid refs as well as to latitude/longitude coordinates; for most purposes, including railway stations, six figures (two groups of three, i.e. 100 metres) is sufficient. Notice that when a grid ref is shortened in this manner, digits are always truncated, and not rounded - the six figure grid ref (100 metres) is not ST914022. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, now I can see how to render them less precise. Deor (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Deor:Now you have mastered the mysteries of OS refs, maybe you might to check out this little tool which handles the conversion to SATNAV refs- and back converts as well. Have fun! --ClemRutter (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Date fixes to List of Freemasons...

Hi! In regards to date fixes in the List of Freemasons. I ma in the process of completely re-doing that list. I am downloaded the entire thing and am breaking it down into a database. I am cleaning up all the references of which there are SIX hundred and they are a MESS. When I am done, the dates will all be a-ok. Eric Cable  |  Talk  00:48, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Bot owners' noticeboard

Hi Redrose64 - thought you might want to see Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard#User:Redrose64 running unapproved bot(s)? if you haven't already. GoingBatty (talk) 03:24, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Another new track gauge

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Please see Template talk:RailGauge#Another new one. Peter Horn User talk 00:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

• That page already carries several of my feelings concerning verifiability of rail gauges. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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Can you see my request and you say that you do think my gadget? Please, can you also create my gadget?--Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 13:02, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It's not my call. I have never created a gadget, and the only amendments I have made were to the gadget "^(D) Reference Tooltips: hover over inline citations to see reference information without moving away from the article text (does not work if "Navigation popups" is enabled above)", against clear, specific, and uncontroversial requests by Yair rand (talk · contribs) (see here and here). --Redrose64 (talk) 13:16, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand you, Can you explain better this "against clear, specific, and uncontroversial requests by Yair rand (talk · contribs)".--Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 17:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yair rand posted a series of messages to the talk pages of the two gadget pages; each message contained clear and specific instructions as to what should be done; and the requested edits were uncontroversial because the gadget concerned was one created and maintained by Yair rand. For example, this request by Yair rand was fulfilled by me with this edit and this edit. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

And do my gadget contained clear and specific instructions?--Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 18:43, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Not to me they don't. I really don't know why you're asking me to set up a gadget that although proposed at WP:GP#Wikipedia:Disambiguation detector has not been approved at that page, and has been commented upon by Quiddity (talk · contribs) only. User talk pages (such as mine) are not the place to request the setup of gadgets. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:31, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed transportation infrastructure etc

Please see my proposal to rename Category:Proposed transportation infrastructure in England to Category: Proposed transport infrastructure in England also subcategories to BRENG Hugo999 (talk) 12:37, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed transportation infrastructure

Please see re renaming to BRENG Category:Proposed transportation infrastructure in England to Category: Proposed transport infrastructure in England and subcats (hopefully now at bottom) Hugo999 (talk) 12:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I saw it; but as I don't handle category renames, I'm not sure what you want me to do about it. Since you have listed it at WP:CFDS, somebody with more knowledge will probably pick it up. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Postcode stalkback

Thanks for the addition to User talk:Richardguk#SM postcodes. In a similar vein, feel free to comment if you've any thoughts on postcode mapping or post town classification; there's a current thread at User talk:MRSC#Postcode area articles which you might have already noticed, and a recently concluded thread now located at Category talk:Post towns in the United Kingdom#Post towns that are not towns. — Richardguk (talk) 17:17, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Template:Liverpool to Manchester Lines

I see you and I are reverting another editor who does not seem to realise that disused lines belong on the diagrams. You have told them that the matter has been discussed but I cannot see where and if I cannot then they may not be able to. Would you direct me to the place where this was discussed? Thanks. Britmax (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Liverpool to Manchester Lines#St Helens railway, where we trialled three different arrangements for the St helens Jct/Widnes area. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd completely forgotten doing that! Britmax (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Fishguard

I must have been travelling in my T.A.R.D.I.S. - thanks. Agathoclea (talk) 15:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't so much the future date that upset me, as the use of the YYYY-DD-MM format, which is always invalid, both inside and outside Wikipedia. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

ah, that was me trying to keep in line with the other citation without thinking., and getting the cut&paste&change wrong in the process. Glad you picked up on it. Agathoclea (talk) 15:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Oxford 2

Page created. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Gangways

I posted replies at User talk:Peter Horn#Gangways. Peter Horn User talk 14:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Punctuation problems

Hi Redrose, I just need some help / guidance. I have now produced 3 articles all of which have suffered from same problem, the first of which I corrected but it seems I'm [ or someone else is ] doing something wrong. My latest efforts are : Wilson's & North Eastern Railway Shipping Co. Ltd and Hull & Netherlands Steamship Co. Ltd.. Both the original articles having been approved for inclusion have suffered from appearing with practically all the punctuation being replaced by hash symbols etc... and with numerous citing errors. I think both had changes made because of small disambiguation problems.

Any advice please. --Eastern Nat (talk) 15:31, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

It does look very odd... it's nothing I've ever seen before from edits using the normal Wikipedia editing interface. It looks to me like some (but not all) of the punctuation has been trashed in the manner that you describe; but that doesn't explain all of the # signs. Those that occur where I'm not expecting punctuation might correspond with changes in typeface (such as italics, bold, etc.). Are you preparing the text off-wiki, perhaps using a word processor, and then going to the Wikipedia edit window and pasting in the final draft from your word processor? --Redrose64 (talk) 16:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

No, I have used my sandbox to compile the pages and then submitted them for approval. I can go back to the 'pre-trashed' pages and re-do the links which were faulty but I thought you might have an idea what was going wrong. Correcting my first article Associated Humber Lines by hand was quite a large task. Many thanks and best wishes / --Eastern Nat (talk) 16:48, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I've repaired Hull & Netherlands Steamship Co. Ltd. What happened here is that most (but not all) instances of the following characters [(.)] were changed into # as were the letter "m" in "name" i.e. <ref name=Haws> became <ref na#e=Haws> and renamed became rena#ed. Why it happened, I don't know. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:52, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I've repaired Wilson's & North Eastern Railway Shipping Co. Ltd as well. It was the same problem. I see that in both cases, the damage occurred when you disambiguated some terms North Eastern Railway to North Eastern Railway (UK); Windau to Ventspils; Charles Henry Wilson to Charles Wilson, 1st Baron Nunburnholme; and Arthur Wilson to Arthur Wilson (shipping). Are you using a script or other tool to select these disambiguations? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for repairing them. I had received a dablink notification from DPLbot and used the 'fix with Dab solver' contained in the notice. Next time I'll see what happens and re-do links if problem arises, but was just curious as to whether this was a common problem. Whilst I'm in contact can I ask your opinion on my Associated Humber Lines article. Do you think it warrants the tag it carrying. I've run out of things to add to it for the moment. I think it contains a good overview of what company was about and the history of the ships that supplied the service, if I see other opportunities to add further details or categories I will do so. Thanks again / --Eastern Nat (talk) 10:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I've never used Dab solver myself; but then, I've hardly ever been messaged by DPL bot (talk · contribs) either (there are two cases above, #Disambiguation link notification and #Disambiguation link notification for June 28). Going by that information, I've found this thread which sounds like exactly the same problem. I assume then that you're using Internet Explorer; if not, we need to notify Dispenser (talk · contribs) that the problem exists in other browsers as well.

Regarding the {{underlinked}} on Associated Humber Lines: it was added when the article looked like this, and a considerable number of outward links have since been added, so I think that the {{underlinked}} may be removed. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes I use Internet Explorer. That seems to be the answer. I'll avoid using Dab solver in future, or try harder to avoid the need in the first place ! Thanks again for all your help.--Eastern Nat (talk) 16:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Revision history of gangway

Hello Refrose
Bkonrad keeps mucking up our mutually agreed revisions of gangway. I'm not sure that he knows what he's talking about, i.e. he's clueless. Peter Horn User talk 05:48, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

A bit of Dr Who fun for you

Hello R. I just received an email from a DW friend regarding the fact that the Japanese kanji for doctor [2] looks a bit like a man in a box. In fact that might be a fez on the left side of the head. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 16:23, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. ja:医 redirects to ja:医療 which bears an interlanguage link back to Health care. I'm not a student of Japanese writing, so I can't comment on the derivation. It might be a coincidence, or wishful imagination, but we really need a good source to avoid WP:NOR accusations. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:39, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

You never know. It might be from an unaired (which also means unwritten I guess) adventure when the Tardis landed in 16th century Japan :-) MarnetteD | Talk 17:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Issue fixed

User_talk:Magioladitis#Yobot_page_damage. Thanks for bringing up the issue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you,  Unblocked --Redrose64 (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try to fix the bug further by preventing these changes inside templates in the future. In fact I didn't know this change was happening. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

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This was great of you, thanks. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

East Croydon cash machines

Hello, Just thought it would probably be courteous to let you know I've reverted your revert. If you still don't like it then just get rid - easy come, easy go... but at least it's properly sourced now :-) 2.220.83.204 (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hull (Manor House Street) railway station

Hi, just noticed you have added a link to Hull (Manor House Street) railway station in the new article Melton Halt railway station. This station is not mentioned anywhere else, such as the list of closed stations. The Hull and Selby Railway article has a destination of Hull Paragon railway station and following through the routeboxes Ferriby then Hessle which also goes on to Hull Paragon. Think that we need some clarification here. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

It's in Butt (1995), p. 125: of the twelve stations shown for Hull, Manor House Street is the only one open early enough; the date also matches the Hull & Selby opening - 1 July 1840. Paragon is shown as opened 8 May 1848 by the York & North Midland (which leased the Hull & Selby on 27 July 1846), as are three others: Hull Hessle Road, Hull Anlaby Road and Hull Botanic Gardens (then named Hull Cemetary). --Redrose64 (talk) 07:30, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Add the link "View" in the Template:Documentation

Then do you add the link "View" in the Template:Documentation, Template_talk:Documentation#I_propose_a_modification? --Vivaelcelta {discussion  · contributions} 17:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Redrose64 (talk) 19:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Confused

Hi

You commented on my editing and if I did it wrong I apologise, I copied from another page. However, your amendments just seem to confuse the issue. I don't see the need for a reference. Just need a link from Silver Fox Models to the page on the website. Just want to keep it as simple as possible.

Regards BigBruce354

--Bigbruce354 (talk) 00:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Bigbruce354#Models. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:52, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The Monk's Retreat

Is this the one?

http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-monks-retreat

Philafrenzy (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's on the south side of Friar Street, near Marks&Spencer - the pub which I suspect you were thinking of is opposite, it's an "O'Neills". The Monk's Retreat has two bars and plenty of seating. We also had a look at The Hope Tap, which is also on Friar Street, and MistyMorn (talk · contribs) thinks that The Hope Tap is better, partly because there are more tables with bench-type seating. However, it's further from the station, being just past Sainsbury's, almost at Greyfriars Road. See meta:Talk:Meetup/Reading/2. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:48, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The Hope Tap it is. Will create page later. Philafrenzy (talk) 20:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Football fixtures are OK - Reading FC are away at Newcastle on Sat 19 Jan 2013, so it won't matter if it's moved to the Sunday. If Reading get through the FA Cup Third Round, they'll have the Fourth Round fixture during the weekend of 26-27 January 2013. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

20th Jan it will be. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Philafrenzy (talk) 02:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Was tied up with other things yesterday so sorry couldn't attend. Hope to see you in January.Dsergeant (talk) 11:56, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Tygwyn railway station

See here. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:24, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

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Red link and Thank you!

Thanks for the help on Peer Review, I went through the nomination process and it does currently work, which is great. But something weird is still going on, see: Talk:Agaja, the "is currently undergoing" link remains red and hovering says (page does not exist). But if you click on it, it clearly links to the right page with no redirects. Any ideas on why it is staying red? If this should go to Tech board, I'd be happy to go there. Thanks. AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I WP:PURGEd the talk page and the link turned blue. This is a known problem with redlinks, and is not specific to the peer-review process. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Your ninja-like speed is amazing.AbstractIllusions (talk) 14:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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Request for template advice

I hope you don't mind me asking for template advice (if you have time, of course). You helped me previously here. Anonymouse helped me here, but he (or she) is at present away on holiday. My questions are:

• Would it be easy to display Wikipedia's "external link" symbol after the link generated by his template and mine? and
• For Björn Borg , the combination of a Wikilink and an external link, is there some easy way of making the "external link" symbol display after the link rather than before it? LittleBen (talk) 03:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Eifel

Thanks, Redrose, with your help in converting the infobox so promptly! Regards, --Bermicourt (talk) 12:45, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Alexandra Park railway station

Having spent the past hour or so working through Butt and other locations, this page is no longer a REDIRECT page and in now a DISAMBIG page. --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 12:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Alexandra Park railway station is, yes: but Alexandra park railway station is still a redirect. In any case, it should be clear why a hatnote is present - if the user is confronted with "For other places with the same name, see Alexandra Park railway station." at the top of Wilbraham Road railway station they're going to be puzzled as to why. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I had this problem when another editor did not realise that Fazakerley railway station started life as Aintree. I dropped Stewart a note about this. Britmax (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Just found WP:NAMB which is relevant in such cases. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I welcome your help on this. Both Alexandra Parade and Wilbraham Road have been called Alexandra Park. The text of Wilbraham Road states the change was due to potential confusion with Alexandra Park in London (see the various Alexandra Palace stations). What is also interesting is that Alexandra Parade and Wilbraham Road were both renamed in July 1923, just after grouping and came under the care of the LNER. Thoughts?? --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 20:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, they did previously have those names. But is it possible that somebody will get to either Alexandra Parade or Wilbraham Road when they were actually searching for a different station which coincidentally was named Alexandra Park? Now that Alexandra park railway station has been retargetted, there is no need for any hatnote on Wilbraham Road railway station, because if people are searching for "Alexandra Park railway station" (small p or capital), they'll only end up at the dab page. It's all covered at WP:HAT, particularly at WP:NAMB. We should put a hatnote on the more-ambiguous name which directs readers to the less-ambiguous name, but not the other way around.

For example, when I noticed that Butt (1995) had no less than seven entries for stations named simply "St Helens", and a further five for variants like "St Helens Central", I created the dab page St Helens railway station. This presently has six entries, because we have six articles on stations which had "St Helens" as part of the name at one time or another (there may eventually be up to nine entries in the dab page because three of the twelve entries in Butt relate to renamed stations): but of these six articles, only one warrants a hatnote, since there have been two stations named St Helens Central - none of the other article titles are ambiguous. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I think Aberdeen has even more entries than St Helens. I like the revised wording from Britmax (talk · contribs). --Stewart ^{(talk | edits)} 11:36, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikify task accomplished

Finally! Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Wikify_.28again.29. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Snapshot with rev 8686 is up! It fixes the wikify issue and it is faster than the previous versions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Add parameters

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Please see Template talk:Infobox train#Additional fields and Template talk:Infobox train#Add parameter "fuelcap". Peter Horn User talk 19:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Boroughs

Hope you don't mind if I quickly grab your opinion on this? Burwell railway station is currently showing as being in East Cambridgeshire which is strictly speaking true, although East Cambs didn't come into existence until a decade after the station closed down. Best leaving it as it is, or would it be better to reflect the situation on the ground as it was then, i.e. amending it to Newmarket Rural District? With the Beeching cuts, I'm sure this must have come up elsewhere but not aware if a precedent has been determined already. - Cheers, JCJ of Burwell (Talk) 02:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know exactly where, but it was decided some time ago (some of the docs listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography#Guidelines have relevant notes) that we should always use the present-day local authority for the |borough= parameter, even if the station closed before the relevant local authority was created. There are brief instructions at Template:Infobox UK disused station#Example. The site of Burwell railway station lies within present-day East Cambridgeshire, less than a mile from the Suffolk border. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Seems fair enough. Thought I should ask about that one before making a change, so shall leave that as is. Cheers :) - Cheers, JCJ of Burwell (Talk) 11:04, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Lowthian Bell, director of NER

Hi... I'd point out that the NEIMME source states that Bell was "the director" of NER. The mining institute was totally familiar with companies having boards of directors, so when it says "the" it must mean it: I was/am just using the source. I take it that the modern equivalent would be CEO or as we used to say "managing director" - of course no 19th century source could say that as it didn't exist. Georgina Howell's "Gertrude Bell" (paper, Farrar Strauss Giroux, 2008) also has "He was also the director of the North Eastern Railway". (Howell, 2008. p8) I'd like to re-insert the "the", please. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:44, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Please see

• Tomlinson, W.W. (1915). The North Eastern Railway: its Rise and Development. Newcastle-upon-Tyne: Andrew Reid and Company. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

where in Appendix B: List of Directors from the Amalgamation in 1854 to 1914 (Tomlinson 1915, pp. 768–770) a total of 79 Directors of the North Eastern Railway are listed alphabetically; Sir Lowthian Bell is listed fourth. A quick glance at the list shows several names who were Directors at one time or another between 1865 and 1904, so Bell was not the only one; indeed, his son Hugh was elected a Director on 9 January 1903 - almost two years before the death of Sir Lowthian Bell.

Other Directors of this period include such notables as: George Leeman (director 1854-82, Chairman 1874-80); Henry Pease (director 1861-1881); Sir Joseph Whitwell Pease, Bart. (director 1863-1902, Chairman 1895-1902); John Dent Dent (director 1879-94, Chairman 1880-94); Matthew White Ridley, 1st Viscount Ridley (director 1881-1904, Chairman 1902-04); Sir Edward Grey, Bart (director 1885-1911, Chairman 1904-05); and Henry Tennant (director 1891-1910).

Bell was not the most important Director: Appendix C (Tomlinson 1915, p. 771) shows that Bell was never Chairman of the NER Board of Directors, although he was Deputy Chairman from 1895 until 1904 (under Sir Joseph Pease, Ridley and [for less than four weeks] Grey). There are other mentions of Bell in the book - the index (Tomlinson 1915, p. 782) shows seven page numbers concerning Bell. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for finding that out, I knew they were important given the story about a train being held for Hugh in London... I think they're well worth mentioning given their colourfulness, however. The fact that they were known to station guards is remarkable - can't have been true of all 79 directors, I think. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:36, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Which story is that? It doesn't seem to be mentioned at Sir Lowthian Bell, 1st Baronet. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

BTW I've just found that Bell was deputy chairman under Earl Grey for just four days, not four weeks - Appendix A (Tomlinson 1915, p. 761) shows that Sir Edward Grey, Bart [later the fourth Earl Grey] was elected Chairman on 16 December 1904 - Bell died 20 December 1904. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The story runs (as printed by Howell): "As the heirs of the director of the North Eastern Railway, the Hugh Bells were transport royalty. At Middlesbrough the stationmaster doffed his hat to them and ushered them onto the train at Redcar. Many years later, Florence's daughter Lady Richmond was to remember an occasion when she was seeing her father off from King's Cross, and he had remained on the platform so that they could talk until the train left. The packed train failed to leave on time. Remarking on its lateness, they continued to talk until they were approached by a guard. 'If you would like to finish your conversation, Sir Hugh', he suggested, doffing his hat, 'we will then be ready to depart'." (Howell, 2008. p13.) I'm not sure whether to quote or paraphrase. I believe I was actually told this story by my History teacher when I was about 10, so it's nice to see it in print. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:45, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to include it - but I should point out that the guard is not part of the station staff, but is a member of the train's staff. It was one of the duties of the guard to ensure that all doors were closed before blowing the whistle and showing the green flag as an instruction to the driver to start the train; so it would have been improper for the train to start with the door of Sir Hugh's compartment still open. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've included a paraphrase in Hugh Bell.... if you'd like to use whatever you like in NER, and perhaps some of your fascinating list of directors also? Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Sir Harry Meysey-Thompson, 1st Baronet

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Bot is certainly confused, and is also trigger-happy. I followed WP:SPLIT - or at least was in the process of doing that - when the bot pounced. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for West Auckland railway station

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How to clean up messy talk page

Hi. I'm asking you this question about cleaning up a talk page because you were indirectly involved in helping to mess it up. ;-)

Anyway, I was trying to make protection requests from within the Johnny Manziel talk page earlier this week. You declined both of them successively and let me know that I was doing them in the wrong place and where to do them in the right place. Now that the protection issue is resolved at the moment -- and "Thanks" by the way -- the talk page is really cluttered and disorganized. Some content has been added by users between the protection requests, and some of it is in the wrong section too.

How can I organize the content (or the content within sections) in a simple, uncluttered and ordered style? I don't know what's within the spirit of editing the page, e.g. am I able to delete the page protect request I submitted before, or reorder interaction within a section so that it has a proper flow?

I'd appreciate any help you can give. C'ya! --BroJohnE (talk) 00:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Much of this is covered at WP:TPG. In particular, see WP:TPO which covers what you may and may not do to comments entered by other users. The main thing is not to change the meaning of existing text. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

What about the protection requests themselves. Am I able to delete those, or do they need to remain as part of the record of talk page? --BroJohnE (talk) 03:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

They should remain, since they each have more than one participant. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks / Diolch!

Many thanks for your help with my iw links here. It now looks so obvious! - Llywelyn2000 (talk) 21:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Horwich Crabs - locomotive 42859

I have provided information which has come from Luton County court, and Lincolnshire police. I don't think anyone else has taken the trouble to update this information, so I have done it, although I have to be careful what detail I go into. I shall continue to monitor the situation, because I am in a position to do so, and update accordingly. I don't intend to put individuals names or anything like that, but the information I have put is 100% accurate. If you so desire you can verify the court papers, the reference is given in the notes. I think the situation that has developed is pretty much unprecedented and very important, at least to the preservation movement. No one has attempted the audacious act of stealing a complete locomotive for its scrap value before - at least to my knowledge.

Unfortunately, some individuals, including yourself, seem determined to turn the wiki page into a battleground. Thus preventing the true situation from being described. The locomotive has not been sold for scrap, or anything like it. Parts have been stolen by opportunistic thieves and justice is being sought. Two court injunctions have been granted by the courts and a police investigation is under way. If you will permit me, I will update the page accurately and accordingly. Otherwise it will be nothing but a mess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.122.243.185 (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Please read the policy on verifiability, and cite your sources. Stating "the information I have put is 100% accurate" is simply not good enough. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Great Northern Great Eastern Joint Railway

Thanks for your help with this page - much appreciated. I have removed or converted all the external links to references now so I assume it is OK to remove the external links notice.--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 19:46, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Midford Halt

Sorry, yes, you're right... I forget the B3110 road goes pretty much west-to-east there, though its general thrust from Odd Down to Woolverton is more north-south. I'd argue though that the 1919 map places the S&D station too close to the main road (it was quite a bit behind the pub which is actually on the road) while my memory of clambering over these things 50 years ago is that the overgrown track to the GWR halt led pretty directly up on to the remains of the embankment next to the road. So I'd believe "east" more than "north-east". Memory, however, isn't the same as documentary evidence... Johnlp (talk) 21:16, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

It's certainly closer to east than to north - we could put east-northeast. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll leave that to your judgement. Johnlp (talk) 21:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Request to Edit Template:Catholicism

Moved to Template talk:Catholicism § Edit Request on October 08, 2012

 – Redrose64 (talk) 09:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Citation

Thank you for your reply at Authorlink parameter. You indicated that I needed to establish a consensus for the alteration. Where would be the best place to start that consensus discussion? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Redrose64, you can save me a lot of time. What do you think of my suggestion to add a "yes" condition option to the authorlink parameter? -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 15:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Since you've already started a thread at Template talk:Citation#Authorlink parameter, that would be the place to build consensus. But it won't do any harm to post a short message onto each of: Help talk:Citation Style 2; Template talk:Citation/core; Wikipedia talk:Citation templates, directing people to Template talk:Citation.

Regarding the concept of |authorlink=yes, I shouldn't opine here, per WP:MULTI. I shall post at Template talk:Citation#Authorlink parameter. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Cite court solution

Thanks for fixing the court references for me. I wasn't expecting a workaround like that, but if it works, it works! Xaxafrad (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

UK coordinates

I agree with this change, although I am wondering if it could be simplified. in any event, you should probably do the same to Template:Infobox UK feature and Template:Infobox UK place. Frietjes (talk) 23:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

London Necropolis Company

I did find according to the article that the London Necropolis Company was no longer independent as of January 1959 if this helps with anything. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 11:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall what this might be in direct relation to. My recent issues with London Necropolis Company have concerned the problem where it's twice been scheduled for TFA, and tagged accordingly by a bot - but in both cases was later pulled, and there was no reversal of the bot edit until a human noticed the problem some time after its original scheduled TFA day. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:56, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|WT:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement|More typos}} The Anonymouse (talk • contribs) 09:59, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Talk:The Mousetrap edit notice

Hello. Actually, I've already made an edit request on the edit notice's talk page. Since you were the one who answered the previous edit request (the bolding; in fact, you were the one who suggested my current request), you may want to take a look. Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Surrey Canal Road

Have you looked at the guy's edit history? I'm far from convinced that rational debate is really going to work here. But good luck, and please feel supportive thoughts from my general direction. Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Yep, already crossed swords at Denham Golf Club railway station. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Indeed. Clearly a strongly issue-committed editor. Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:51, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

THANK YOU> So I put our chat below! You Can Walk Like A'Gyptian  ;) (talk) 09:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Messenge

Hello, Redrose64. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

One hour on, and nothing received yet: did you send it to somebody else? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:08, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

roman template, problems with the mod function

see this edit request, and related thread at template talk:infobox number. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 19:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done --Redrose64 (talk) 20:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:BLP sources

Thanks for the sandbox help here; I've implemented it. Would you please check back to ensure that I did the right thing? Nyttend (talk) 00:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Best wishes

Season's Greetings, Redrose64! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD | Talk 18:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

• This year we get both The Snowman and The Snowmen as TV treats. I doubt that they will ever be confused for one another :-) Have a great 2013 and continued happy editing! MarnetteD | Talk 18:32, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 18:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Muncaster Mill

Thank you for changing it! I am new to this and I could not quite get how to get the correct command line in. Thanks once again!

Alastair Carr (talk) 16:05, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway - help needed.

Hello. My name's Alastair and I've been asked by the Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway to snaz up their wiki page. I've done most of it, but I wondered if you could tell me how to remove the navbar on Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway route diagram, without removing it from the actual route template.

That would be so helpful.

I await your reply.

Alastair Carr (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

This edit should have sorted it. Every <noinclude> must be balanced by a </noinclude> and vice versa. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately it is sent everything else out of proportion! Look below and also at the individual pages!

Alastair Carr (talk) 09:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello again. I reret to inform you that I've undone all of your editing on the template, because it sent every other page in which the route template was on, out of proportion, all 'haywire'. .

I am very sorry, but I've created a new route template, which is similar, but contains your <nonincludes>s. However, I can't seem to get it working again!

I am so very sorry, but I wondered if you could have a look at the new template, it's under Template:Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway (header)

{{Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway (header)}}.

I can't seem, for the life of me, to get rid of the Legend!

Have a very Merry Christmas.

Alastair Carr (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Jewish bio stub

My proposed stub would include people who are Jewish by descent i.e. secular, ethnic Jews, whereas the current one only seems to encompass Jews who are religious.Evildoer187 (talk) 02:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I see that you have also replied at WP:WSS/P#Jewish People stubs; there is no need to reply in two places, since this creates a fragmented discussion (see WP:MULTI). It's worse if the two replies differ - even if the differences are minor - since people will get confused as to your real intent. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:50, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway

Hello. I have notified the administrators of you undoing most things I write, withouty explanation when I question you about why this is done.

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Alastair Carr (talk) 14:33, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I plead "Not guilty". I note that you have amended the AN/I thread but you have not retracted the above notice. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:16, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Station usage template

The purpose of that test was to find some way to make the two templates together collapsible but still editable, as it will be inevitable the table takes up a lot of the article in some cases e.g. ECML, WCML, etc. I thought there was no point in reverting the test as looking at the current articles, it did not seem to be doing anything. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 00:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I also found your edit summary rather odd as there was nothing wrong with the braces\brackets. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 13:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Here is your edit. You added five opening braces but only three closing braces. The number of opening and closing braces must balance; thus there were two closing braces missing. Even if I had added a pair, I did not know where they should have gone; and doing that would have left an incomplete switch statement. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Boglaball. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 21:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Eh, what? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Just saying random gibberish when I've done something wrong. Anyway seriously I've worked out how to do the collapsing so the above problem shouldn't be so big in the future. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 22:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually could you help me on another small problem with station usage? For 2002/03 I have tried looking up Seaforth but I have found usage instead for two Seafords. Obviously Seaforth is one of them but I cannot discern which is which. Should I record this as No data? I am currently doing the Northern Line (Merseyrail). Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 12:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

In the absence of 2003/04 data that we could back-calculate from, I would compare the figures for 2004/05; 2005/06; and 2006/07:

Year	Seaford	Seaforth & Litherland
2004/05	0.596 million	0.300 million
2005/06	0.631 million	0.336 million
2006/07	0.698 million	0.337 million

Since one of the two stations has figures that are consistently higher than those of the other, it's a probability that the same station had higher figures in 2002/03. So I would say that the one ranked 516, with 493,247 total entries/exits is Seaford, and the one ranked 965, with 176,145 total entries/exits is Seaforth & Litherland. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Cheers. I'll go with that. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 14:48, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Leyland Atlantean

Thanks for your reply. You were right on the counts you listed. I still intend to corrrect the article as is WRT DOug Jack's The Leyland Bus (Mark 2) Stephen Allcroft (talk) 13:50, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Wigan Wallgate

Is it the various splits or the 750V your questioning? Both Metrolink and Merseyrail use 750v DC. --Kitchen Knife (talk) 17:14, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It's the 750 V for overhead electrification. Yes the Merseyrail Northern Line is 750 V DC third rail, and Manchester Metrolink is 750 V DC overhead, but why would Metrolink be a factor? That isn't planned to link up with Merseyrail; however, there are proposals to electrify Manchester-Bolton-Preston at 25 kV AC overhead. It would be logical to add Manchester-Wigan-Southport also Bolton-Wigan at a later date; but if Wigan Wallgate is electrified at 750V DC overhead, such a scheme would be very difficult. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It is Metrolink who have expressed an interest in running to Wigan Wallgate via electrification. I'm not aware of any other plans to electrify Southport to Manchester, can't find any details of the plan. Exactly what the plans for Burscough curve usage are I'm not sure but that is usually referred to Merseyrail Extensions as is Ormskirk-Preston. Having all 750v would seem the most sensible.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 18:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Tactical (i.e. conduct) review needed

Hello!

I ask you because you are the only person clearly sympathetic to the idea to keep CSD clean. In the recent conflict, did I, Incnis Mrsi, make some tactical errors? How to deter better such attempts to push a crap into written, established rules, to convert such items as G6 to sumps? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Burrator and Sheepstor Halt railway station

Good catch! Missed that one. Britmax (talk) 11:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I removed the same two cats from four other stations on the same branch. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry - that was my fault. Edit conflict screwup then rectified, as you realized. Sorry it looked like I was starting a conflict over it! Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Indian railway templates

Thanks a lot for adding colour to the Indian railway station succession templates. However, in the process one unwanted change has taken place. Earlier, the station name with suffix ‘railway station’ was automatically getting linked when the name was being placed in the ‘previous’ or ‘following’ box. See Rourkela railway station. Now the template responds to the suffix ‘Indian railway station’ and names with the suffix ‘railway station’ are no more getting linked. See Bondamunda railway station. Please fix this up. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 03:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry - has this edit sorted it? --Redrose64 (talk) 11:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be okay now. Many thanks. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Dr Who stamps

Hello R. I know that you will see my post at the project talk page eventually but I wanted to let you know that I added this Doctor Who merchandise#Commemorative stamps to that article. I thought that, when you have the time, you might add the info that you have about the Dalek stamp from 1999. Anything that you think appropriate will be fine and my commiserations about the missing set of stamps. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 18:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Payday!

For fixing Template:Inflation. I know this modest reward is small recompense for your work but I hope you find some benefit from these tokens of my appreciation. In addition, while we don't live by bread alone, I am told these coins are edible. Thank you. Jojalozzo 21:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Blank lines on talk pages

Reply to post by Redrose64

Thanks – albeit, belated – for the explanation (although most of it went "over my head", to be honest). Nonetheless, I will try to refrain from this practice. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:34, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Capitalisation of the definite article in band names

Hello, Redrose64, per this edit, please see below:

• Capitalisation:

The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music#Capitalization states:

• "Standard English text formatting and capitalization rules apply to the names of bands and individual artists".

The Wikipedia:Manual of Style (music) states that a lower-case definite article should be used in band names:

• "Mid-sentence, per the MoS, the word 'the' should in general not be capitalized in continuous prose, e.g. 'Wings featured Paul McCartney from the Beatles and Denny Laine from the Moody Blues.'"

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (music)#Capitalization states:

• In band names, and titles of songs or albums, capitalize all words except:

• articles (an, a, the)

I've reverted your reversion based on these guidelines. Please take to talk if you disagree. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:38, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

The Manual of Style is vast, so please don't just put "per MoS" in your edit summaries; link the relevant section.

In the case of "The Band", the capitalisation resolves an ambiguity: it indicates specifically that we are referring to the group who worked with Bob Dylan; whereas if we put "the Band", it could be seen as a typo for "the band", i.e. Fairport Convention themselves. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk:James Knowles (footballer)

You declined my request, for the reason "Please see WP:RFD", but the first step of Wikipedia:RFD#How to list a redirect for discussion requires editing the redirect page. There's nothing there to say that the process is different if a redirect is protected. Peter James (talk) 10:28, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

It was not at all clear at Talk:James Knowles (footballer) that you wanted stage I of WP:RFD#HOWTO to be done for you: it read as a general comment.

If you carry out stage II of WP:RFD#HOWTO, and then put an edit request at Talk:James Knowles (footballer) requesting the addition of {{subst:rfd}}, it will be done. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Reading 3

Do you think we should reschedule this? I looks like you and I are the only confirmed attendees. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Given the weather (4 ins snow where I live in Didcot, v. slippery), I'm likely to cry off in any case, so a resched is probably a good idea. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:44, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I can just change it to 24 Feb and you reschedule the geonotice? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

24 Feb is just one week before Oxford 3; also, third Sunday would be 17 Feb, so how about that? London 66 is 10 Feb.

When I fix the geonotice, I'll also post to those who were at Oxford 2. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes 17th. I will make it Reading 4 in order to preserve the page for 3. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:51, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to join the 'cry off-ers' this morning but having had to reschedule other things because of the weather I thought it best to duck out. Will try and make February 17th but know I have one commitment that day. Dsergeant (talk) 16:40, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Military structures

Hi Redrose, Can you halp me to use the coordinates variable in Infobox Military structure ? I always prefer to use degrees, minutes and seconds. But I think the template accepts only decimal values after the degrees. (Infobox Populated places accepts both types of coordinate designations.) Is there any way to enter the coordinates in minutes and seconds or shoud I have to convert the minutes into decimal values before entering ? Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:08, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

You are correct in that {{Infobox military structure}} accepts only decimal degrees in the |latitude= |longitude= parameters. Fortunately there is a simple conversion function, the {{decdeg}} template, which takes five parameters - degrees, minutes, seconds, hemisphere, and precision (number of decimal places):

| latitude  = {{decdeg|52|20|47|N|4}}
| longitude = {{decdeg|1|35|23|W|4}}

which behaves as if you had entered:

| latitude  = 52.3464
| longitude = -1.5897

See WP:OPCOORD for information on a suitable number of decimal places - four (as in my example) is an accuracy of about ten metres. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The link you asked for

Sorry I'm bad at using wikipedia and messed up adding the cite, I asked Northern the other day about Bolton's Platform 2 and they replied to me https://twitter.com/northernrailorg/status/291975325221535745?uid=17412258&iid=am-34365388813588638626255904&nid=56+427

Imperial first

Re: [3] "in Britain we put the imperial measure first", do you have a MOS link? I can't recall and haven't found anything in WP:ENGVAR et al that uses such terminology. WP:UNIT provides a footnote covering the UK case: "Some editors hold strong views for or against metrication in the UK. If there is disagreement about the main units used in a UK-related article, discuss the matter on the article talk-page, at MOSNUM talk, or both. If consensus cannot be reached, refer to historically stable versions of the article and retain the units used in these as the main units." As far as I'm aware, Metrication in the United Kingdom was nearly 50 years ago, with a few exceptions (road distances, road speeds, older railway lines will be recorded in chains and not yet resurveyed in metric, aircraft altitude where not quoted as flight level, and beer sold by the pint) it is the case (WP:UNITS#Other_articles) that "the main unit is generally a metric unit". While there might be "strong views for or against", it does not appear to be the case that it is possible to categorically state "in Britain we put the imperial measure first", and to do so is perhaps even misleading to other editors who might see it. Would you be able to share your thoughts? It would be really useful if you could consider linking to any WP:MOS or policy documents in an edit summary if referring to a particular policy. —Sladen (talk) 11:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm going by what I have observed on hundreds of other articles about British railway lines and stations. Please also note that it was not me who first changed the order of the units in this article - if you look at the version prior to Picapica's edit you'll see that it's Imperial first; the |disp=flip exchanges the order of presentation within {{convert}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I think there are two issues here; one is the implication that "in Britain we put the imperial measure first". This is clearly not the case, neither does it appear to be supported by policy or guidelines. Please consider raising and/or proposing changing the MOS if they are felt to be incorrect.

The second is repeatedly trying such unilateral changes based on a belief in the first. The implication (in this particular case) that values were not metric originally appears to be at odds with what the page history shows. The units were (seemingly quite properly and appropriately) stated in metric for several years before an editor adjusted[4] them to add |disp=flip. This has now happened a second time; and I presume is being done based on a (misguided) belief in the status of the first issue.

Could I respectfully ask that you go through the proper channels and get a mandate before doing further similar changes. Thank you for your contributions and edits in general. —Sladen (talk) 14:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Does this make sense to you? —Sladen (talk) 12:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I didn't realise you expected a reply. In your original post, you directed me to WP:UNITS#Other articles, and quoted "the main unit is generally a metric unit". But you don't quote the text which follows: "but imperial units are still used as the main units in some contexts, including: miles,". The text in question therefore should have miles as the main unit. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

What it says (just before the item you have chose to quote) is in "in some contexts" … clarified with a long footnote on the subject … "If there is disagreement about the main units used in a UK-related article, discuss the matter on the article talk-page, at MOSNUM talk, or both. If consensus cannot be reached, refer to historically stable versions of the article and retain the units used". AFAIK you've (a) not done that; (b) claimed something which is not the case in the edit summary as justification; (c) continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis; (d) gone back to the same article(s) several months later and done it again; (e) claimed that it was always like this when the page history shows otherwise [and it was somebody using your account who changed it earlier].

Given your general good levels of engagement and responsiveness in meta activities on Wikipedia, I'm not understanding why this is happening in the case of units adjusting/meddling in article space and taking the points on-board when they are raised. —Sladen (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Regarding (c) "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis" and (d) "gone back to the same article(s) several months later and done it again" - what articles have I done this on? --Redrose64 (talk) 13:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Diffs above: East Midlands Parkway railway station [5] [6]. —Sladen (talk) 13:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I saw those diffs. But you stated "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis". A second edit is not "continued", so you cannot be thinking solely of East Midlands Parkway railway station, where of the 11 edits that I have made (this being the first), only two - the two you have mentioned - concern the order of measurement units. I am not the only editor to have placed the imperial unit first. The following edits placed the imperial unit first:

• 21:16, 27 January 2009; 21:08, 29 April 2012; 14:05, 30 April 2012; 10:46, 24 January 2013 - please observe that the first two of these edits were not mine.

For balance, the following edits changed the order back to metric first:

• 21:40, 27 January 2009; 11:00, 30 April 2012 (note here that the |disp=flip parameter was not undocumented - here's the doc page from that time); 05:25, 24 January 2013; 15:04, 24 January 2013.

One edit did not change the order, although it did affect the displayed conversion:

• 13:16, 13 February 2009.

Given that I changed the order just twice, the second of which restored a situation that had persisted for nine months without complaint, I hold that I have not "continued to make further changes on the same assumed basis". --Redrose64 (talk) 14:31, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply and the effort you have put into it. I would like to take some time to digest it. —Sladen (talk) 10:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Village pump comment re cached copies

Re your comment, "The main page problem began very recently, and has affected many users whether logged in or not. By contrast, users who are not logged in have always been served cached copies of most pages, primarily for reasons of speed." — How often are cached copies updated? --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:40, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Please repost this at WP:VPT#Users reporting site time issues and delay in visible update of edits, which is the thread where I posted the comment you quote above. That page has a far larger watchlist than this one; also, its watchers know far more about the detail than I do. Also, I dislike split discussions, becuse they are difficult for a third person to follow. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I reposted it per your advice.[7] Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:57, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Category: Kew

Many thanks. Headhitter (talk) 19:29, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Environment

Thanks for setting the importance parameter etc. Category:Top-importance Environment articles had already been created but it has a typo. Can you fix it? I am category topic banned. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:50, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I've thrown out what was there already, and replaced with templates matching those on High/Mid/etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. There are a lot more articles that should be in the new categories since they already have the parameters added. There is a bit of a trick that gets the database to recognise them. I had the same issues with populating Category:Articles with missing files. It would be nice to get them populated by running that trick on Category:Environment articles by quality subcats. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:26, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Your counsel sought

Hello, Redrose64! Would you please give some brief advice about adminship? I'm thinking about taking on the task of admin, and I'd like to know how you compare being an admin-editor with being an editor only. Do you ever feel bogged down to the extent that you can't do the type of edits you like to do? Any info you can give me about being an admin would help a great deal. Thank you for all your help, past–present–future! – Paine (Climax!)  21:59, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, as with anything else on Wikipedia, there's no obligation to do anything. For example, the admin tools include the ability to hand out certain user rights - an option which I've never exercised. Most of the admin tools that I use concern editing protected pages - I have this page on my watchlist so that I know what's been requested, and if it's something that I believe is a good edit request, I carry it out, as with these edits.

One of the most useful of the admin tools is the ability to view and restore deleted pages. I don't actually restore very many at all - but when a page shows up in my watchlist as a redlink marked "(Deletion log) ... deleted page ...", I might be curious as to what its final contents were, and by using Special:Undelete, the page history may be seen, and individual revisions viewed, all without actually undeleting the page. But be warned: WP:RFA won't go well for you if that's all you want to do.

This summary shows that I haven't done much blocking or protecting, compared to (say) page deletions. I have been known to file a request at WP:RFPP, rather than protect the page myself. Don't be misled where the summary implies that I created accounts for two other users: they were both for myself. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

That's just great! It sounds as if you really like what you do as an administrator here on Wikipedia. What do you feel might be the "negatives" of adminship? You know, the things you may run into from time to time that you're just not too crazy about? And thank you for your shining response, above! – Paine (Climax!)  23:05, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the most negative thing was the RFA process itself, see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redrose64. One thing that I was afraid of, but hasn't really happened, is the nasty remarks that deleting admins occasionally get "why did you delete my article you b******? I've started an WP:ANI about you: reinstate my article immediately". --Redrose64 (talk) 13:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's a concern for me, too. Maybe it's all in how you do the process. I've thought about it, and rather than wait for something like that to happen, I imagine I would get to the author first, let them know what is wrong and tell them what they can do. Also, do you think it's better to delete completely, or delete and userfy? – Paine (Climax!)  19:02, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Each case needs to be considered on its own merits. Very often, whether to userfy or not will emerge during an WP:XFD discussion (WP:PRODs and WP:CSDs never result in userfication, only keep or delete); but XFDs should not be decided on a simple majority vote - the arguments put forward by each side need to be weighed against each other.

Even WP:PRODs and WP:CSDs are not always straightforward - they may have been placed in error, possibly by somebody unfamiliar with policies. The admin coming across one of these is not constrained to delete.

If you feel unable to judge the outcome of a deletion request - regardless of whether it's WP:XFD or not - you can leave it for somebody else to make the final call; with an XFD you always have the option of adding a !vote which states your opinion; with a WP:PROD you can use {{proposed deletion endorsed}}; and with WP:CFD you can post to the relevant talk page.

If you put some open WP:AFD pages on your watchlist, also some of the daily log pages for WP:TFD/WP:CFD/etc., you'll learn who are the admins who regularly close deletion discussions; you can then post to one of their talk pages, asking how they made the decision. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that's a good deal to think about. I'll let you know if I make it to the !polls. – Paine (Climax!)  17:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

It appears that you've been covering for Martin on his talk page. As there's no break notice, is he feeling ill again? – Paine (Climax!)  19:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

I've been covering for Martin ever since I succeeded at RFA! I don't know why he occasionally takes periodic absence though. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:35, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

A good while back I remember him placing health-issue notices on his User page. Let's hope he's okay. – Paine (Climax!)  19:53, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Responding to my edit request

Howdy. Thank you for responding to my edit request. It didn't occur to me to check for a hidden div. I will keep that in mind in the future. On a more minor note, it appears you didn't sign your comment there. I checked, and there is no signature in a hidden div. ;) Rockfang (talk) 20:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you  Done, and more added --Redrose64 (talk) 20:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

BR Class 411

Considering that most of the article is unreferenced, perhaps you could justify your reversion of this claim.

I am not trying to be funny, but if you have an issue with this then why not with the rest of the article.Bhtpbank (talk) 00:55, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

It's a WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim (hmmm - that reminds me - I still haven't had a reply to this). --Redrose64 (talk) 09:38, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Precious

railroads and advice
Thank you for quality articles on UK railways and stations, such as Hawkhurst Branch Line, for counseling and advice, for pointing out an overlooked problem, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! You deserve a red rose, but now you get a blue sapphire.

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 12:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

East Minster railway station

East Minster On Sea railway station was renamed a few months ago, with old OS maps given as the source of information.

Butt P88 lists only East Minster-on-sea.

"Complete Atlas of Railway Station Names", which I had found always agreed with Butt when I had done any cross checking, surprised me by showing "East Minster on sea (East Minster)". Explanatory note in the book says that the first name given is the last name used, and previous names are shown in round brackets in reverse order, with the earliest name used shown last.

Implication is that East Minster on sea is the sole or final name and by convention is the WP article name.

Do you have any sources that can confirm the correct name for the WP article?

Efficacy (talk) 20:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Butt (p.88) gives only one name, "East Minster-on-Sea".

• McCarthy, Colin; McCarthy, David (2007). Waller, Peter (ed.). Railways of Britain: Kent and Sussex. Hersham: Ian Allan. ISBN 978-0-7110-3222-4. 0710/C1. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

McCarthy & Mc Carthy (map 4 section E1 and map 5 section A1) also show one name, "East Minster-on-Sea". --Redrose64 (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll stop there....

I noticed your edit summary - I'll stop there before making further errors. I've been away from Wikipedia for a long while and I'm clearly quite rusty.

I must get round to improving some of these Metrolink station articles at some point though. Subject to Manchester Metrolink getting to GA status, I'm thinking of picking one, bringing it up to a high standard, and then using it as an example for others to follow.... well it's a pipe dream for now... --Jza84 |  Talk  21:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, taking them in the order of my edit summary (or, if you prefer, the reverse of the order in the infobox):

|coord_region= is for the ISO 3166-2:GB code of the metropolitan borough. Those codes relevant to Manchester Metrolink stops now open or under construction are: GB-BUR Bury; GB-MAN Manchester; GB-OLD Oldham; GB-RCH Rochdale; GB-SLF Salford; GB-TAM Tameside; GB-TRF Trafford. If omitted (or left blank), it's treated as |coord_region=GB.

|label_position= sets the position of label for the red dot. It has four possible values - bottom, left, right, top; when blank (or omitted), it's treated as |label_position=bottom. It's only really necessary if the label is difficult to read because it lies over some dense or dark detail. |label_position=top works as documented when the name of the tram stop has one word (as with Milnrow) but when there are two or more words (as with South Chadderton or Kingsway Business Park), the wrapping between the words causes the second and third words to lie on top of the red dot, which is always worse than having all the words below. I try to avoid using |label_position=left because browsers are inconsistent with that one, which really only leaves |label_position=right available for multi-word stops when the default is unsuitable. My normal technique is to leave |label_position= blank, preview it; and if the label is difficult to read, I set |label_position= to either top or right depending on number of words. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

That makes a little more sense. I may give it a whirl on some of the East Manchester Line articles, given 8 of the line's stations are to open in just over a week's time. Thanks for taking time out to get me back on track (if you can excuse the pun!)... --Jza84 |  Talk  23:34, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Fairport Convention Images

Thank you you for restoring the images on all the entries for the individual members of Fairport Convention. I uploaded the ones that were, and was even given permission to do so by the photographer. I forwarded the e-mail in which he gave me permission to use them, but wikipedia wouldn't believe me and tagged for deletion, at which point I gave up hope and just accepted the inevitable. I came on here today to see if they had gone, and if they had I was going to restore the images but I see you have beaten me to it, so thank you it saved me a job. It still doesn't change the fact that those images are quite dated and need updating, but I'll leave that to someone else. Fonzleclay :D 22:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Fairport have played Didcot Cornerstone every April or May since it opened in September 2008... I must try and get pics next time they're here. Photography within the auditorium is forbidden by the management, but luckily, four of the band (GC excepted) are easy to nab after the performance, sometimes before or in the interval. Peggy's easiest: he'll be outside at the front, smoking. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Genesis of the Daleks

I'm finishing up Genesis of the Daleks (having used information from the DVD), and I didn't know if you had any references books with more information. I was particularly looking for average viewership, since listing the ratings for the individual parts were tedious. Thanks! Glimmer721 ^talk 19:45, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Somebody reverted all your edits w/o expln. I reverted them. Anyway,

• Howe, David J.; Stammers, Mark; Walker, Stephen James (1992). Doctor Who The Handbook - The Fourth Doctor. London: Doctor Who Books. p. 60. ISBN 0-426-20369-0.

shows that UK viewing figures for each episode were 10.7, 10.5, 8.5, 8.8, 9.8 & 9.1 million; the 86-minute compilation (27 Dec 1975) got 7.6 million; the split of that (26 Jul 1982, 2 Aug 1982) got 4.9 & 5.0 million. On p. 247 is a list of the top ten and bottom ten TB stories by average viewers; GotD isn't listed so is in the middle 21; I thus don't have an average figure, unless we commit an offence under WP:NOR and say 9.5666666666667. -Redrose64 (talk) 20:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure if I should put the repeats under "broadcast" or "legacy" (the thought behind the latter was that it contributed to it becoming popular). Do you have a source for the AI figures? I'm also not sure which DWM issues the polls were in, aside from the 200 one. Glimmer721 ^talk 22:41, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for helping out, have a kitten :)

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you; my own cat died almost ten years ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

commonscat must not be in a section comprised of columns

Not "comprised of", please! Try "comprising". Or "consisting of". Or, in this case, perhaps just "with". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winstonsmith99 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, it is not common practice to check edit summaries for errors of grammar or spelling. It is common practice to fix problems of page layout as and when they are located.

I could have put a link to Template:Commons category#Location. Instead, I shall direct you to Wikipedia:Please sign your posts on talk pages. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Inflation template

Hi Redrose, you look like the guru for Template:Inflation. So, I was wondering if you could pop over to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/William Robinson Brown/archive1 where there is a question about inflation amounts as used in the article here (raw text in this section). The amount in question is £2727 in 1918 pounds sterling. The template (if I used it correctly) gave me £98,463 for today's value, but I did a manual crunch and got $104,000 at Measuring worth itself for 2010. So, you appear to be the template expert, can you maybe check my work and let the FAC reviewers (and me) know if we need to fix something? Many thanks in advance! Montanabw^(talk) 22:35, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know; probably best to post at Template talk:Inflation. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

One thing I have found out is that for UK inflation, it has no figures later than 2009, so for subsequent years, it uses the 2009 data. Here are some conversion factors for 1918:

• to 2007: 35.11170212766
• to 2008: 36.505319148936
• to 2009: 36.318009118541
• to 2010: 37.993920972644
• to 2011: 39.97226443769
• to 2012: 41.246200607903
• to 2024: 61.531155015198

So, if instead of 2010, we feed 2009 into Measuring worth, we see "£99,000.00 using the retail price index" which is somewhat closer to £98,463. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

That explains it. Consensus over there is that I probably need to just use measuring worth directly. May be the best for now. Montanabw^(talk) 23:28, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Waterspaces

Have a look at some of the comments Here.Kitchen Knife (talk) 00:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I removed it because you have put false passenger numbers up at Johnstone Railway Station. It only handes 1:100 per year and your saying that 1.217 use it. Its all wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.218.83.217 (talk) 12:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

That was not an excuse to remove almost all of the page content. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

STOP!

Will you please stop putting in false info into Johnstone stations passenger numbers, You are a problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.218.83.217 (talk) 13:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

See section above, also your talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Bury to Manchester Line

On the Abraham Moss Learning Centre page which I am building up- I need to refer to the Bury Line as it is called locally. I notice it is referred to on various sections of various pages but does't have its own article. I don't even know its official name which prevents me from writing a quick stub- and don't have railway history shelf in my personal library. It seems a bit of a mystery (or was it wikipolitics) that nothing is there. Any suggestions to a stub title so we can get started.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

We need to consider the name carefully: at one time there were three routes from Manchester to Bury. The first was the Manchester, Bury and Rossendale Railway (renamed East Lancashire Railway in 1845) which opened in 1846; this was closely followed by the extension of the Manchester and Leeds Railway from Heywood (which formed an end-on junction at Bury with the Liverpool and Bury Railway), which opened in 1848. M&LR trains to Bury ran from Victoria via Middleton Junction and Heywood, but for many years the best trains to Bury were the Accrington/Burnley/Skipton services that ran via Clifton Junction, so in some books you'll find that "Bury line" refers to that route. The route from Victoria out through Crumpsall and under Heaton Park is comparatively new, having opened in 1879.

It's only since the closure of the line via Clifton Junction in 1966 that the third route has been thought of as the "Bury line". I expect that's the one which you are thinking of. The construction and opening of this route is covered as "Cheetham Hill-Radcliffe" in

• Marshall, John (1970). The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway, volume 2. Newton Abbot: David & Charles. pp. 49–55. ISBN 0-7153-4906-6. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

and the electrification of the same route is covered as "Manchester-Bury-Holcombe Brook" in Marshall (1970, pp. 169–178). I suspect that the reason that it doesn't have its own article is because it's been part of Manchester Metrolink since before Wikipedia was invented. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Threads

If you counted the threads there were six excluding the new one. I know all about archival. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 00:59, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Reading

Moved to m:Talk:Meetup/Reading/4#Shall we continue?

Signatures

• Apologies for asking a slightly inane question, but how do I get my old signatures to update so they look the same as my new one? Lukeno94 (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

It's probably easiest to leave them alone. Otherwise you'll be going off down about 600 talk pages and the like amending pages for little benefit. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:41, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

• I was hoping there was a way I could make them automatically update... ah well, thanks anyway. :) Lukeno94 (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

nscounts.py

I applied what did you say on Bride talkpage, but again the following error occured:

File "watchalltest.py", line 112, in <module>
    report_text = report_template % (current_of, '\n'.join(output), ns_count_tcol, ns_count_r_tcol, ns_count_gtotal)
TypeError: %d format: a number is required, not str

Now what should we do? Thanks for your valuable help. محمد شعیب (talk) 13:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Please can we keep this at User talk:MZMcBride#nscounts.py. It's difficult to follow split threads. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Naming Indian railway stations

Please have a look at Asansol Junction Railway Station and give your opinion on the talk page. Cheers.-Chandan Guha (talk) 01:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I see that it's been resolved in favour of Asansol railway station. Judging by the signs "Asansol Station" clearly visible on the station building, and the absence of the word "Junction", I would agree with this resolution. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Gurgaon

Hi! Just commented! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Talking With Stramgers (Judy Dyble)

Hello and good evening. We are updating the page, as the album is about to be issued in the USA. I am struggling to add the current album cover. I have deleted the old one (which was sold out and deleted over 3 years ago) and I made a a couple of minor ammendments. 'The Whorl' was never officially released, that is placed into general distribution. A record shop could not buy a copy to resell, the general clue to an official release or not.

John Gillies is the lead singer of Yorkshire band The Conspirators, who have had a top 10 official indie chart single, so I would suggest that link would be valid? Otherwise would you kindly add the current cover into the album info box, and further down, googling judy dyble talkinh with strangers on page 1 gives a nice photo of the current vinyl with the sleeve and the inner sleeve shown.

We would be most grateful. I have always struggled with photo's on wiki!

Best wishes,

Jon (For Judy Dyble) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.251.209 (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I cannot add an image to any article without it first being uploaded. Please see Help:Files.

If you have ideas for amending an article, it's best to put them on the talk page for the article concerned - such as Talk:Talking with Strangers.

Regarding "The Whorl": I definitely got mine in a mainstream record shop; specifically, The HMV Shop, 79 Northbrook Street, Newbury RG14 1AE. I paid £15.00 on 29 January 2007, and I'm pretty sure I've got the receipt somewhere. I have a note that it was received into the shop on 23 January 2007 - as I recall, it wasn't on the shelf as a stock item but HMV were willing to order it through their usual channels. All I needed to tell them was Talking Elephant TECD 094. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:56, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Football records in Spain page please stop this circus !!

Hello ..

may you please take a look at football records in spain ,this page is containing various different records in Spanish football, the user : 49.244.108.56 keeps removing some of them because he believes they are not needed and if you took a look at what he adds or removes you can see he is doing that biasing since he is working hard to remove Barca records allowing only real records !! the 3 records i added are well referenced from the related club website and even classified clearly under national records even not just a club records !! so anything clearer than that even ?? how should someone opinion or even bunch of people opinion about it make a difference in that ?? its a clear case...the related club classified it as record , so if someone likes it or not it shouldn't stop being a record .

and since its referenced I can't see any reason to remove it .

the website : http://www.fcbarcelona.com/club/the-honours/detail/card/fc-barcelona-team-records

what is really weird...there is some records similar to those added ( like i added ) but he added them related to Real Madrid so obviously he doesn't have a clear measure in that.\

I tried sending other for help also but i found no response so far, I just think the whole thing is turning into a circus as that :) and for the protection of integrity of wikipedia someone should act in someway !! making it clear (neither way i dont care ) just don't leave it for somenoe to decide oh i hate this club so i dont want his records and im making my hard to remove them and bringing everyother possible records for the club i like ??! take a look at it please because this IP : 49.244.108.56 has long history of doing that !

he is the same range of ip from 49.244.125.32 also he is the same as 49.244.161.201 and by the way it's all belongs to a user has been blocked before but i dont know why they unblocked him again ! it's just as a circus as that

Thank you