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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on December 3

Dosima

• ... that the floating barnacle Dosima fascicularis sometimes grows on turtles and even sea snakes?

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

First Battle of Chuenpee

• ... that according to Chinese scholar Wei Yuan, British ships mistook Chinese red flags for a declaration of war, triggering the First Battle of Chuenpee (1839) in the First Opium War?

5x expanded by Spellcast (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Pat Screen

• ... that 15 years after playing in the 1966 Cotton Bowl, Louisiana State University Tigers quarterback Pat Screen was elected Mayor of Baton Rouge?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Lý Chiêu Hoàng

• ... that unlike her predecessors, the Empress Regnant Lý Chiêu Hoàng was not worshipped in Lý Bát Đế Shrine because of her responsibility in the collapse of Lý Dynasty?

5x expanded by Grenouille vert (talk). Nominated by Grenouille vert (talk) at 21:39, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that the only empress regnant in history of Vietnam, Lý Chiêu Hoàng, got married to Trần Cảnh when they were both seven years old? Nominated by Grenouille vert (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Penzance A.F.C.

• ... that Penzance A.F.C. competed in ten of the first sixteen finals of the Cornwall Senior Cup, winning six of them?

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 20:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Georgi Stranski

• ... that Bulgarian physician and politician Georgi Stranski, best man to national poet Hristo Botev, was the only ever Commissar of South Bulgaria?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 20:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Mattress (Glee)

• ... that actress Jessalyn Gilsig hoped viewers would warm to her Glee character Terri Schuester after the episode "Mattress", having previously experienced a fan backlash?

5x expanded by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Herne Bay Museum and Gallery

• ... that Herne Bay Museum and Gallery contains the prototype Highball bouncing bomb, precursor of the Upkeep bouncing bomb used in the 1943 Dambuster raids?

Created by Storye book (talk). Self nom at 15:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Tzintzuntzan (Mesoamerican site)

• ... that at the Tzintzuntzan pyramids, fires were lit to advise the P'urhépecha kingdom that it was time to go to war?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Marisa Wegrzyn

• ... that playwright Marisa Wegrzyn dealt with poor reviews by "being sulky and brooding and riding the subway a lot"?

Created by Mm40 (talk). Nominated by Mm40 (talk) at 12:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Occupiers' Liability Act 1984

• ... that part of the Occupiers' Liability Act 1984, a piece of United Kingdom legislation on tort law, is intended to permit educational and recreational use of land? Fivefold expansion. Ironholds (talk) 09:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The hook states that this is UK legislation. Does the Act apply in Scotland as Tort in Scotland is known as Delict? Kernel Saunters (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope; legislation passed by the United Kingdom, but covering England and Wales. Most tort legislation is specific to jurisdiction, an exception being the Defective Premises Act 1972. Ironholds (talk) 17:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Naval Reserve Armory

• ... that Seattle's Art Deco-styled Naval Reserve Armory (pictured) was feared to become a white elephant?

Created/expanded by Doncram (talk). Self nom at 08:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Longtail stingray

File:Mantaraya de Revillagigedo.png

• ... that tail length is not a reliable way to identify the longtail stingray (pictured), because its tail is often damaged?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Hugh H. Hurt, Jr.

• ... that Harry Hurt created the Hurt Report, described as "the most comprehensive motorcycle safety study of the 20th century"?

Alt hook:

• ... that Harry Hurt interviewed over 2300 motorcyclists in the 1970s?

Created by Brianhe (talk). Nominated by Tedder (talk) at 06:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Hartford Dark Blues all-time roster

• ... that Bob Ferguson played for, and managed the Hartford Dark Blues Major League Baseball team from 1875 to 1877, the final three years of its four year existence?

5x expanded by Neonblak (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Italian battleship Roma (1940)

• ... that after only fifteen months in commission, the Italian battleship Roma (sister ship pictured) was sunk by two German Fritz X radio-controlled bombs?

• Comment: recently histmerged the old article with a version from my userspace (old article)

5x expanded by The ed17 (talk), La Pianista (talk). Nominated by The ed17 (talk) at 05:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 2

Miss Angie

• ... that Christian music artist Miss Angie began her solo career doing praise and worship sets after Johnny Q. Public concerts?

Created by DantheCowMan (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 23:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Untitled (Jazz Musicians)

• ... that since 1995 a quintet of untitled jazz musicians is performing nearby the Indiana Avenue?

Created by Karen Shank (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 23:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Tom Ed McHugh

• ... that former Mayor Tom Ed McHugh of Baton Rouge is descended from a founder of Zachary in East Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Paul Ballantyne (actor)

• ... that former Broadway actor Paul Ballantyne was born in a town which is inhabited today by just over 200 people?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Nominated by Cryptic C62 (talk) at 23:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT 1 "...a town that today has approximately 200 residents? Nyttend (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Davidson Seamount

• ... that Davidson Seamount is the largest seamount (underwater volcano) in the East Pacific?

5x expanded by ResMar 22:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC). Nominated by ResMar at 22:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Confirmed here. Top-right corner, Under "Conservation qualities." ResMar 23:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Franz Baermann Steiner

• ... that Franz Baermann Steiner, whose parents were murdered in Treblinka and later died of a heart attack in 1952 in Oxford, was called "one of Hitler's victims" by Iris Murdoch?

Created by Nishidani (talk). Nominated by Nableezy (talk) at 21:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Article was created by User:Nishidani, User:JGGardiner, User:NSH001, and myself (User:Nableezy) and was moved from userspace into articlespace at 02:44, 2 December 2009 (UTC). nableezy - 21:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Eugène Poubelle

• ... that trash cans in France are known as poubelles because Eugène Poubelle (pictured) first imposed them on Paris?

Les woodland (talk) 18:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Moved hook to correct location and changed phrasing. Ucucha 21:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

All good! A worthy addition to WP! -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Tobias Van Steenburgh House

• ... that the Tobias Van Steenburgh House (pictured) was one of the few buildings in Kingston, New York, not burned by British troops under Gen. John Vaughan in 1777?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 20:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Willie Edouin

• ... that during his career, comic actor Willie Edouin portrayed perhaps five hundred characters?

Created by Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 20:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Jacques Legrand (Mongolist)

• ... that the current president of INALCO, Jacques Legrand, was the first French ambassador to Mongolia in 1967–68?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 19:33, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Canfield Island Site

• ... that one of the most important discoveries at the Canfield Island Site (pictured) was charcoal?

Created by User:Nyttend (talk). Self nom (after being prodded by Ruhrfisch :-) at 15:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT 1, as suggested by Ruhrfisch: "... that the Canfield Island Site (pictured) on the West Branch Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania was inhabited by Native Americans for thousands of years, and since 2003 is home to an annual Native American pow wow?" I don't think that this is as good, primarily because it's rather long; but what do you think? Nyttend (talk) 18:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
• ALT 2 ... that Native Americans lived at the Canfield Island Site (pictured) on the West Branch Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania for thousands of years, and now hold an annual pow wow there? Agree ALT1 is a bit long, how's this? Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

In the Room Up There

• ... that the first single from In the Room Up There, Australian band Elora Danan's debut album, was entitled "Door, Up, Elevator" and inspired by elevator music, and the etiquette that goes on in elevators?

5x expanded by Kiac (talk). Nominated by Kiac (talk) at 10:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

McQueen (surname)

• ... that the surname MacQueen/McQueen can be represented in Scottish Gaelic at least three etymologically-unrelated ways—MacCuinn, MacCuithein, and MacShuibhne?

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 06:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 1

Schieder commission

• ... that the Schieder commission on the expulsion of Germans, was headed by former Nazi Theodor Schieder, who during the Nazi era advocated "depopulating" Poland of its Jewish population?

Created by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 22:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Biased EEML stuff. Mailing list has agreed to selectively quote sources and worked that out with banned users. Radeksz's topic ban is already agreed on. Radeksz even posted his communication with banned users in the article [1]. What a shitstorm. Noone should get any credit for that, it should be speedied instead. See also the discussion here. Skäpperöd (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Bullshit. The article is sourced with reliable sources and neutrally written. If you got problems with it point out where. The mailing list had nothing to do with it and it didn't agree to anything - stop lying Skapperod. I knew that some would possibly object to this article so I thoroughly researched and sourced it like hell. The oversighted edit contained personal information - which is why it was OSed - which you then started copying elsewhere, engaging in a form of outting. radek (talk) 01:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Redmond Caves

• ... that the Redmond Caves were considered for potato storage as early as the 1910s?

Created by Leitmotiv (talk). Nominated by Tedder (talk) at 19:26, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Anthony Morabito

• ... that Anthony Morabito was the first of thirteen West Australians drafted in the 2009 AFL Draft, when the Fremantle Football Club selected him with their first round pick?

Created by The-Pope (talk). Nominated by The-Pope (talk) at 15:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Đào Duy Từ

• ... that Vietnamese scholar Đào Duy Từ was forbidden from taking Le Dynasty's court examination because his father was a folk singer?

Created by User:AM (talk). Self-nom at 09:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Carlos Ardila Lülle

• ... that Colombian entrepreneur Carlos Ardila Lülle began his billion dollar business by developing the soft drink Postobon in 1954?

Created by Patrickneil (talk). Self nom at 17:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Shraddha Jadhav

• ... that Shraddha Jadhav, who was recently elected as the Mayor of Mumbai and chief of India's richest municipal body, is known for her crisp cotton saris?

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 16:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Trần Thị Dung

• ... the last empress of Lý Dynasty Trần Thị Dung remarried with her cousin and grand chancellor Trần Thủ Độ who was responsible for the death of her first husband Lý Huệ Tông?

Created by Grenouille vert (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Bruce's Beach

• ... that Bruce's Beach, which opened in the early 1910s in Manhattan Beach, California, was an African-American resort in an "otherwise lily-white community"?

Created by ChildofMidnight (talk) and Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 03:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Beau's All Natural Brewing Company

File:Beau's Lug Tread Glass.jpg

• ... that Beau's All Natural Brewing Company of Vankleek Hill distributes its Lug Tread lagered ale (glass pictured) to LCBOs throughout Eastern Ontario in German-made ceramic jugs?

Created by M.nelson (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Beau's All Natural Brewing Company distributes its Lug Tread lagered ale (glass pictured) in German-made ceramic jugs? -- tighter hook suggested by Mangoe (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
• Fine by me; I'd like to keep Vankleek Hill and Ontario in there, but that's just my POV as a local. -M.Nelson (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• How about ALT2: ... that Beau's All Natural Brewing Company of Vankleek Hill, Ontario, distributes its Lug Tread lagered ale (glass pictured) in German-made ceramic jugs?

btw, whichever version of the hook is good to go. Mangoe (talk) 14:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Catalysts (The Spectacular Spider-Man)

• ... that when actress Vanessa Marshall learned that she would be playing the character Mary-Jane Watson in the Spectacular Spider-Man episode "Catalysts," she dropped to her knees and began hyperventilating?

Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Nominated by SuperFlash101 (talk) at 00:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Neill Sanders

• ... that horn player Neill Sanders commuted from Kalamazoo, Michigan, to London to play in the Melos Ensemble?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 23:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Occupiers' Liability Act 1957

• ... that the Occupiers' Liability Act 1957 covers not only land, but also aircraft and ships? Fivefold expansion. Ironholds (talk) 22:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Timeline of railway electrification in Norway

• ... that in 1909, the Thamshavn Line (pictured) became the first electrified railway in Norway?

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Army of Flanders

• ... that the Army of Flanders was the longest standing army in early modern history, operating from 1567 to 1706?

Created by Hchc2009 (talk). Nominated by Coldplay Expert (talk) at 21:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• The article says "early modern period", so is that what you meant to say? Or did you mean to compare the Army of Flanders to the U.S. Army for instance? Art LaPella (talk) 02:33, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

No I meant early modern, just trying to shorted it. (Isnt the US army longer standing that the Army of Flanders? Reworded it to say Early modern history.)--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 02:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Nankai megathrust earthquakes, 1854 Ansei-Tōkai earthquake, 1854 Ansei-Nankai earthquake

• ... that in 1854 the southern coast of Honshu, Japan, was hit by tsunamis caused by two great megathrust earthquakes on December 24 and 25?

• Comment: Nankai megathrust earthquakes 5x expanded, the other two created

5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Nominated by Mikenorton (talk) at 21:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Oseberg oil field

• ... that the development of the Oseberg oil field is one of the significant milestones in the creation of of Norway's oil and gas industry?

5x expanded by Tuscumbia (Tuscumbia). Nominated by Coldplay Expert (talk) at 21:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I belive that the article has had major expansions but It may not be exactly X5. If not then Ill withdraw the nom. (Also for author I put the creator of the article not the person who made the expansion, User:Tuscumbia.--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 21:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

How come you credited the initial creator and not the expander? The creator had written exactly a single sentence, without any references. Manxruler (talk) 02:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I changed it to Tuscumbia.--Coldplay Expért ^{Let's talk} 02:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Pub Golf

• ... that Boston, MA, holds an annual Pub Golf event that has grown and climbed to over 1400 participants per year?

Created by Sdawg5k (talk). Nominated by Wlshmj (talk) at 21:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Bambi effect

• ... that the Bambi effect, a term inspired by the Walt Disney film Bambi which describes the human revulsion felt when seeing defenseless animals killed, is also a gay slang term?

5x expanded by Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 21:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Shey Monastery

The Shakyamuni Buddha of Shey Monastery

• ... that the Shakyamuni Buddha (pictured) of Shey Monastery is believed to be the second largest such statue in the northern Indian state of Ladakh?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk) . Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 20:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Picture changed, IMO File:Shey palace Shakyamuni buddha.jpg looks better. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Cutts-Madison House

• ... that arsonists set fire to the Cutts-Madison House (pictured) in Washington, D.C., while Dolley Madison was living there?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 18:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hiravijaya

• ... that the great Moghul Emperor Akbar was so much influenced by the religion of non-violence preached by Jain monk Hiravijaya that he became vegetarian most of the days, prohibited slaughter of animals and birds, released prisoners and gave up fishing and hunting, which were his favourite pastime?

Created by Indian Chronicles (talk). Self nom at 16:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• 296 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 02:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Shortened version: ... that Moghul Emperor Akbar became vegetarian most of the days, banned slaughter of animals and gave up fishing and hunting after being influenced by Jain monk, Hiravijaya who preached non-violence?

I hope this will be acceptable. Thanks--Anish (talk) 04:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

List of people who entered an Alford plea

• ... that defendants who enter an Alford plea in a U.S. court must acknowledge they will be treated as being guilty whether or not they admit they are in fact guilty?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Note: Please see this version to confirm. Unfortunately a user has come by to remove large chunks of sourced info from the article, so it may not be in the present version. Discussion will hopefully resolve this, at the talk page. Cirt (talk) 16:39, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Update: Now added back by a third-party editor, and supported by an WP:FLC-director. :) Cirt (talk) 17:58, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The QI Book of the Dead

• ... that according to The QI Book of the Dead, the fourth QI tie-in book, everyone alive in the world today is related to both Confucius and Nefertiti?

5x expanded by ISD (talk). Nominated by ISD (talk) at 13:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Everyone alive is obviously distantly related, because we are all descended from the first Homo sapiens and from the first microorganisms. The article makes the stronger claim that Confucius and Nefertiti are our ancestors, so should we use that? Art LaPella (talk) 02:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• From the wording of the article, I don't think it's claiming that Nefertiti and Confucius are our physical ancestors, rather that they are our predecessors. I agree that the "related" claim is trivially true; perhaps we could use something along the lines of:

• ALT1: ... that according to The QI Book of the Dead, Jeremy Bentham wondered whether that is all there is?

• In agreement with the chapter title. Ucucha 02:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• For what it's worth, Confucius and Nefertiti as our physical ancestors turns out to be an Internet meme. Art LaPella (talk) 06:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

What about a different hook:

• ALT2: ... that The QI Book of the Dead incorrectly states that Lord Shelburne was British Prime Minster, rather than First Lord of the Treasury?

• Does that work better? ISD (talk) 08:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

umm...according to his article he was Prime Minister 1782-83. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Only de facto - the title "Prime Minister" back at the time was not the official title. It was sometimes used as an insult, but Shelburne would never refer to himself as Prime Minister. "First Lord of the Treasury" would have been his official title. The first person to use "Prime Minister" as their official title was Henry Campbell-Bannerman, who came to power a century after Shelburne died. This formed a subject in the television version of QI in Series C. ISD (talk) 07:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Point taken, but it surely wouldn't make a good hook given that WP describes him as PM in his own article and in other articles such as List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Very well, what about this:

• ALT3: ... that amongst the 68 people featured in The QI Book of the Dead include Ada Lovelace, Epicurus, Colette, Dawn Langley Simmons and Buckminster Fuller?

• Is this acceptable? ISD (talk) 13:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

StillNo1

• ... that the music on Slut's album StillNo1 has been compared to a variety of different artists, amongst them Radiohead, Depeche Mode, The Divine Comedy, Sigur Rós and The Beatles?

• ALT1:... that Sigurd Wendland, the cover artist of Slut's StillNo1, asked the band to play at one of his vernissages?

5x expanded by SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 11:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Atlantic torpedo

• ... that the Atlantic torpedo (pictured) can produce an electric shock of up to 220 volts, and was the namesake of the naval weapon?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 09:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• The hook is taken entirely from the existing article on the genus Torpedo. Can we get a hook specific to this species? Mangoe (talk) 14:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• The information is specific to this species. Just because it's mentioned on another article (which hasn't even appeared on DYK) does not change this fact. -- Yzx (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you saying that the "torpedo weapon" is named after the torpedo genus? If so then Mangoe is right, your hook does not make this point but implies it is named after the Atlantic Torpedo. Victuallers (talk) 22:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

No, there are multiple sources stating that Fulton named the torpedo specifically in reference to T. nobiliana. In addition to the source I already provided, it is also stated in Compton-Hall's The Submarine Pioneers (1999) and Coombe's Gunsmoke Over the Atlantic (2002). -- Yzx (talk) 01:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sedgeford Torc

• ... that the terminals of the gold Sedgeford Torc were cast using the lost wax method and are decorated in the La Tène style?

Created by Princess Venetia di Cannoli (talk). Self nom at 09:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Suggest ALT1:... that the missing terminal of the golden Sedgeford Torc was found thirty-nine years after the original discovery of the artifact? Mangoe (talk) 14:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 30

David Morehouse

• ... that president of the Pittsburgh Penguins David Morehouse served on the presidential campaigns of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry?

Created by Blargh29 (talk), Grsz11 (talk). Nominated by Grsz11 (talk) at 18:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Landscape art

• ... that for over a century after it was introduced into English the word "landscape" was only used for works of landscape art?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 22:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Obviously lots of choice for pictures. Expansion and referencing continues. I think we can dispense with "example pictured", no? Johnbod (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Lucky Man (Emerson, Lake & Palmer song)

• ... that "Lucky Man", a 1970 song by Emerson, Lake & Palmer, was written by Greg Lake when he was 12 years old?

• Comment: The article is currently at AfD. Article was expanded after the nomination, and I understand a review here will occur if/when it survives.

5x expanded by Gongshow (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Gorgas-Manly Historic District

• ... that the Gorgas House and Little Round House (pictured) in the Gorgas-Manly Historic District are two of only four structures to survive the burning of the University of Alabama by the Union Army on April 4, 1865, under the command of Brigadier General John T. Croxton?

• ALT1:... that the Gorgas-Manly Historic District in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, contains two of only four buildings to survive the burning of the University of Alabama by the Union Army on April 4, 1865?

Created by Altairisfar (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Walter de Coutances

• ... that the medieval Archbishop of Rouen Walter de Coutances (d. 1207) had to pay the final 10,000 marks of King Richard I of England's ransom, as the archbishop was a hostage until it was paid?

5x expanded by Ealdgyth (talk). Nominated by Ealdgyth (talk) at 19:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Saint-Michel-des-Saints, Quebec

• ... that Saint-Michel-des-Saints, named in honour of Michael de Sanctis, is the largest and northern-most municipality in the Lanaudière region of Quebec, Canada?

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Date and length verified. Since the sources are in french, would need you to place a inline cite that verifies the fact in the hook at the end of the sentence (part that states it is the largest and northern-most municipality). Calmer Waters 15:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Neither of the references given makes this claim. The first reference is just stats, and the only superlative in the second reference is that it is the geographically largest municipality in Quebec. This is also hinging on the technical definition of "municipality", as maps show two settlements that are further north. Also, the region in question is one of the southernmost in Quebec. Perhaps the size hook would be more interesting? Mangoe (talk) 16:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

NEADS/Dogs for Deaf and Disabled Americans

• ... that the first dog placed with an Afghanistan war veteran by the NEADS/Dogs for Deaf and Disabled Americans Canines for Combat Veterans Program was trained by a prison inmate at the Northeast Correctional Center?

Created by--Lisaanimal (talk) 17:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC) Self nom at 17:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that NEADS/Dogs for Deaf and Disabled Americans relies on help from inmates from 13 New England correctional facilities to train many of its assistance dogs?--Lisaanimal (talk) 19:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Maurice Clemmons

• ... that Maurice Clemmons was released on bail one week before he allegedly shot four police officers to death in Lakewood, Washington?

Created by Grundle2600 (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 07:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Trần Thủ Độ

• ... that under the pressure of grand chancellor Trần Thủ Độ, Trần Liễu had to give up his pregnant wife for the Emperor Trần Thái Tông who was his younger brother?

5x expanded by Grenouille vert (talk). Nominated by Grenouille vert (talk) at 03:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Bobby Simpson (Louisiana politician)

• ... that former Baton Rouge Mayor-President Bobby Simpson worked through the Samaritan Initiative to place the chronic homeless in his city into permanent housing?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

ALT: ... that then Baton Rouge Mayor-President Bobby Simpson helped to organize the task force that in 2003 caught suspected serial killer Derrick Todd Lee?

St George's Church, Worthing

• ... that St George's Church, Worthing established three mission chapels in the town, including a tiny hut jokingly known as "The Cathedral"?

• Comment: There is a pic of the hut, but as it's now somebody's garage (!) I haven't included it here for Main Page consideration.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Paul Eggers

• ... that Paul Eggers, the Texas Republican gubernatorial nominee in 1970, trailed his senatorial ticket mate, George H.W. Bush, by 34,000 votes, and both lost to Democrats?

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Nominated by Billy Hathorn (talk) at 20:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that prior to his political campaigns, Paul Eggers, the Texas Republican gubernatorial nominee in 1968 and 1970, started the first senior citizen center in Wichita Falls?

ALT2:... that Paul Eggers, the Republican gubernatorial nominee in Texas in 1968 and 1970, was defeated both times by the Democrat Preston Smith?

ALT3:... that Paul Eggers was urged to run by his close friend and later business associate, Senator John Tower, to run for governor of Texas in 1968 and 1970?

Arvid Johanson

• ... that Arvid Johanson took over as Norway's second Minister of Petroleum and Energy in 1980, when Bjartmar Gjerde resigned due to high pressure?

• Comment: Bjartmar Gjerde died this week, so you could say that this hook is "really" about him—couldn't expand his bio 5x, though.

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 20:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Jean-Claude Biver

• ... that Jean-Claude Biver has been credited with "single handedly ... saving the mechanical watch industry from the quartz movement"?

Created by M.nelson (talk). Self nom at 19:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Note that while the above quote is pretty interesting, I was originally drawn to the subject due to his famous cheese, but I wasn't able to form a well-referenced cheese-related hook. -M.Nelson (talk) 19:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Koshare Indian Dancers

• ... that the Koshare Indian Dancers are a Boy Scouts of America Scout troop that travels the world promoting the study and appreciation of American Indian culture through Indian dances?

Created by Nickeyrc (talk). nom by Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) at 17:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Trần Quốc Khang, Trần Liễu

• ... that although being first prince of Trần emperor Trần Thái Tông, Trần Quốc Khang was actually son of Trần Liễu who was emperor's elder brother?

Created by Grenouille vert (talk). Self nom at 17:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Water supply and sanitation in Morocco

• ... that only 13% of Moroccan wastewater undergoes any sort of treatment?

Created by Mschiffler (talk). Nominated by Circeus (talk) at 14:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Correction: "wastewaters" should be singular; ie, "... only 13% of Morroccan wastewater undergoes ..." -M.Nelson (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC) Fixed -M.Nelson (talk) 14:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Date and length (35+Kb) verified. Fact is stated 3 times in the article; yet, is not inline sourced after the fact per rules. After this is addressed should be good to go Calmer Waters 16:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Chili Line

• ... that the Chili Line was the southernmost portion of the Denver and Rio Grande Railway's planned 2,400-mile (3,900 km) narrow gauge railroad to Mexico City to be built?

Created by TheCatalyst31 (talk), Synchronism (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Bijapur Fort

• ... that the large cannon at Malik-i-Maidan at the Bijapur Fort (pictured) was so heavy at 55 tons that it discouraged the British from carrying it as a trophy to England?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Alt Hook... that at Saat Kabar near Bijapur Fort (pictured), Afzal Khan, the army chief of Bijapur Sultanate, before waging war against Shivaji, killed his 63 wives to prevent them from remarrying after his death?

Peirce Geodetic Monument

• ... that the Peirce Geodetic Monument not only honors the late American philosopher Charles Sanders Peirce, but also serves as a marker to assist map creators, architects, landscapers, engineers, and scientists?

Created by KrystleB (talk). Nominated by Calmer Waters (talk) at 02:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Fairyhouse Racecourse

• ... that the Irish Grand National steeplechase is hosted at the Fairyhouse Racecourse?

5x expanded by User:RTG (RTG). Nominated by User:RTG (User talk:RTG) at 01:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29

Ricky Dobbs

• ... that Navy's quarterback Ricky Dobbs runs a triple option offense and shares Tim Tebow's record for most rushing touchdowns for a college quarterback in a single season.

? Created by ChildofMidnight (talk). Nominated by ChildofMidnight (talk) at 00:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Freddie Barnes

• ... that Freddie Barnes, a wide receiver at Bowling Green, is one of three finalists for the Fred Biletnikoff Award?

Created by ChildofMidnight (talk). Nominated by ChildofMidnight (talk) at 00:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Joey Pollari

• ... that child actor Joey Pollari when he made his 15 years old when he appeared in the Disney XD film, Skyrunners?

Created by Ipodgeek (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Did you mean:
• ALT1:... that child actor Joey Pollari was 15 years old when he appeared in the Disney XD film, Skyrunners? Art LaPella (talk) 06:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Oops, lol, yes. Sorry. — Hunter Kahn _(c) 06:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• Please, provide an in-line citation for hook. I fixed reftemp for star tribune.--Chanaka L (talk) 04:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Done. — Hunter Kahn _(c) 07:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Daithí Ó Drónaí

• ... that Daithí Ó Drónaí and his electronic synthesised fiddle progressed to the final of the first series of The All Ireland Talent Show?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 04:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Pat Quinn (businessman)

• ... that Canadian police were called to a riot when "County Leitrim's favourite son" Pat Quinn brought The Rolling Stones to North America in 1965?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 04:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hook, reference and article date verified. Ready to go. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

T. B. Walker

• ... that the city of Minneapolis refused a gift from T. B. Walker (pictured) of his art collection including a landscape by Frederic Edwin Church that Sotheby's sold for $8.5 million?

5x expansion. Self nom. SusanLesch (talk) 01:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

George F. Kugler, Jr.

• ... that New Jersey Attorney General George F. Kugler, Jr. was the father of Pete Kugler, who played ten seasons in the National Football League for the San Francisco 49ers?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Gasmouloi

• ... that the Gasmouloi were the descendants of mixed Byzantine Greek and Latin unions, and were employed as marines in the Byzantine navy?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Tord Asle Gjerdalen

• ... that Tord Asle Gjerdalen twice rejected offers for a spot on the Norwegian cross-country skiing national team, due to time-comsuming medicine studies?

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:40, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Toy Trawler Spaniel

• ... that an example of the extinct Toy Trawler Spaniel is preserved at the Natural History Museum at Tring, which was bred by Judith Blunt-Lytton, 16th Baroness Wentworth?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• alt hook ... that an example of the extinct Toy Trawler Spaniel (bred by Judith Blunt-Lytton, 16th Baroness Wentworth) is preserved at the Natural History Museum at Tring? —mattisse (Talk) 23:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks! The alt flows much better. Miyagawa (talk) 11:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

British Motorcycle Charitable Trust

• ... that the current Chairman of the British Motorcycle Charitable Trust is John Kidson, former Isle of Man TT Formula 3 World Champion?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sword of Aragon

• ... that Sword of Aragon, a video game published in 1989, frustrated players with its copy protection that prompted them with inaccurate information?

• Comment: The article was previously a copyviolation on creation and has been deleted. This is a 5x expansion of the cleaned-up article.[2]

5x expanded by Jappalang (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Gill (jarl)

• ... that according to a mediaeval Icelandic saga, Jarl Gilli dreamt of the violent death of Irish king, Brian Boru (pictured)?

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 09:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Alford plea

• ... that in an Alford plea a defendant in U.S. criminal court admits there is evidence to support a conviction and enters a guilty plea, while asserting innocence?

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 08:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Rommelspargel

• ... that more than a million Rommelspargel poles intended to hurt Allied paratroopers and glider infantry proved to be inconsequential in the invasion of Normandy?

Created by Binksternet (talk). Nominated by Binksternet (talk) at 05:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sathyavani Muthu

• ... that Sathyavani Muthu was one of the first two non-Congress members from Tamil Nadu to serve as an Union Minister in India?

5x expanded by CarTick (talk). Nominated by CarTick (talk) at 02:29, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 28

Himariote Greek dialect

• ... that the Himariote Greek dialect retains several archaic features no longer found in standard modern Greek?

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Nominated by Athenean (talk) at 21:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Louis Lesser

• ... that Louis Lesser developed Barrington Plaza, the largest urban renewal project in the western United States under President John F. Kennedy, and was the landlord and developer for many of Howard Hughes' properties?

5x expanded by HkFnsNGA (talk). Nominated by Multixfer (talk) at 18:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Opening sentence

• ... that there is an annual contest for the composition of opening sentences for the "worst of all possible novels"?

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 02:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Why not make the hook more specific? I suggest ALT 1: ... that the annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest invites entrants to compose "the opening sentence of the worst of all possible novels"? LargoLarry (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Polikarpov I-3

• ... that initial deliveries of the Polikarpov I-3 in 1929 were to units in the Belorussian Military District where they replaced the Grigorovich I-2?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 01:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Mexican handcrafts and folk art

• ... that Mexican handcrafts and folk art have been promoted by famous artists such as Diego Rivera, Frida Kahlo and Dr. Atl?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Roger Helland

• ... that footballer Roger Helland in 2004 scored Fredrikstad's first goal in the Norwegian Premier League in 20 years?

Created by Rettetast (talk), Poulsen (talk). Self nom at 12:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Summerland Oil Field

• ... that the world's first offshore oil wells began operations in as early as 1896 when oil was drilled from piers along the coast of Summerland, California, USA?

Created by Antandrus (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 11:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Ralph Basset

• ... that the medieval English judge Ralph Basset (d. c. 1127) earned a mention in the 1124 entry of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle for hanging 44 thieves?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Fish Lake (Jackson County, Oregon), Fourmile Lake, Cascade Canal

• ... that water is diverted from Fourmile Lake over the Cascade Divide to Fish Lake (pictured) for irrigation purposes?

Created by Little Mountain 5 (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• (alt.hook)... that the size of Fish Lake (pictured), located 4,639 feet above sea level between two volcanoes, Mount McLoughlin and Brown Mountain in Oregon, USA, is now three times larger than it was before 1902? [I don't have a hook for Fourmile Lake yet.] --PFHLai (talk) 12:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• That's great, although the reason I combined them is because I couldn't think of anything interesting about Fourmile Lake. If we were to go with ALT1 I think it would be best to shorten it a bit:

• ALT2: ... that the size of Fish Lake (pictured), located between two volcanoes, Mount McLoughlin and Brown Mountain, is now three times larger than it was before 1902?

• Or even ALT3: ... that the size of Fish Lake (pictured) is now three times larger than it was before 1902? LittleMountain5 16:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• (alt.hook for both lakes)... that the size of Fish Lake (pictured) in Oregon, USA, taking water over the Cascade Divide via the Cascade Canal from nearby Fourmile Lake, is now three times larger than it was before 1902? -- [Perhaps a ***triple hook*** if a new article can be created for Cascade Canal soon? Does this canal deserve its own wikispace?] --PFHLai (talk) 20:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Sounds good to me. I'll try writing Cascade Canal, but I doubt I'll be able to push it over 1500 characters. Thanks, LittleMountain5 23:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Done, and over 1500 characters! Tweaked the hook accordingly. I also removed the Oregon, USA part to make it more concise. Anyone who clicks the links will find out where they are. LittleMountain5 00:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa! That was quick! Thank you. I've adjusted the {DYKmake} templates to include the brand new Cascade Canal article.

I've restored "in Oregon, USA" to the hook. It should be there to give the hook some geographical context (Most people outside the US wouldn't know where the Cascade Range is.) for MainPage purposes. IMO, MainPage should appear more "international", and cater to readers from anywhere on the planet. All hooks should mention the when (era) and where (general geographical location), if possible. --PFHLai (talk) 02:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Okay, thanks for your help! Sincerely, LittleMountain5 02:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Rizong Monastery

• ... that Padmasambhava is believed to have meditated in the caves in the location of Rizong Monastery (pictured) in Ladakh, centuries before it was even built?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk) and Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 23:17, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Blind Young Things

• ... that the Royal National College for the Blind was the subject of the 2007 Cutting Edge documentary Blind Young Things?

Created by PaulLargo (talk). Nominated by PaulLargo (talk) at 22:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Havnelageret

• ... that the fourth floor of Havnelageret in Oslo was used as an air-raid shelter during the Second World War because of its durability?

Created by Sandip90 (talk). Self nom at 20:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• The article hook has no inline citation, as is the case with almost all the article. You need inline citation for DYK. Also, not sure about the word "durability" in this context. Like the picture, and it could be a nice hook, if given a little more work. Manxruler (talk) 03:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've added several inline citations, so I don't think that references should be the problem now. I am also unsure about the word "durability", but do you know about a more appropriate word? I have two alternative hooks, though I am not 100 % sure about that "the building's strength" is correct in this context:

• ALT 1 ... that that the fourth floor of Havnelageret in Oslo was used as an air-raid shelter during the Second World War because of the building's strength?
  

• ALT 2 ... that that the fourth floor of Havnelageret in Oslo was used as an air-raid shelter during the Second World War because of its strength? Sandip90 (talk) 10:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
• How about simply: ALT 3: "... that that the fourth floor of Havnelageret in Oslo was used as an air-raid shelter during the Second World War?" Short and sweet. Manxruler (talk) 03:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Or: ALT4 "... that Havnelageret in Oslo is often called "the pink palace in Bjørvika"? Manxruler (talk) 03:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I liked alternate 3. It's simple and not confusing. I think there are many people who do not know that the building has been used as a shelter earlier. It is an interesting fact. I'll give it a chance. Sandip90 (talk) 11:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Sara Stockfleth Christie

• ... that Sara Stockfleth Christie met as a deputy member of the Parliament of Norway before Karen Platou became the first female elected member of Parliament?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Cut-throat Records

• ... that Canadian musician Nash the Slash's Cut-throat Records label has existed since 1978?

Created by A Knight Who Says Ni (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• I realize this isn't a great hook. Any suggestions? --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Do you have a reliable source for the statement about the name of the record label? (Specifically, the part that says "Nash claims the label name was inspired by his observation that the record industry is a cut-throat business...") That would make a good hook, if sourced. --Orlady (talk) 21:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Environmental Organizations and Resource Persons in Tamil Nadu

• ... that at least 85 widely diversified organizations are involved with environmental conservation and environmental education in Tamil Nadu state, India?

Created by Marcus334 (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Article is currently at AfD. DYK review needs to be deferred until after that process is complete (if it survives AfD). --Orlady (talk) 15:41, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Ratha Saptami

• ... that the Hindu festival Ratha Saptami (pictured), dedicated to the worship of the sun, is celebrated in the Konarak Sun Temple, which the Times of India called one of the Seven Wonders of India?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk) and Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 13:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar (talk) 17:28, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
• Lengths and dates are OK. Did not check hook fact and sourcing. --Orlady (talk) 01:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• IMO, the image is inappropriate as Ratha Saptami is a festival and the picture pictures just the Ratha (chariot) of the Sun. IMO, if needed, an image of Surya may be added.
• Neither the reference nor the article explicitly mentions the fact. As per my knowledge, Konark is abandoned as temple and has no religious significance. So an alternate hook may be needed.

Found a reference on the net, adding it to the article about Konark celebration,but it has nothing to do with the temple. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:57, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT:... that on the Hindu festival Ratha Saptami, the icons of the Sun-god (pictured) are carried in ceremonial processions in Mysore and Melkote?--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. Alt Hook is very fine. Image changed to show Sun god.--Nvvchar (talk) 23:57, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sardanapale

• ... that Franz Liszt dithered for seven years over his planned opera, Sardanapale, before abandoning it?

• ALT1:... that Franz Liszt's abortive attempt at a large-scale opera, Sardanapale, may have been intended to get him Gaetano Donizetti's post in Vienna?
• ALT2:... that Franz Liszt may have abandoned his opera Sardanapale after reading Richard Wagner's essay Opera and Drama?
• ALT3:... that Franz Liszt's abandoned opera Sardanapale was in part inspired by Eugène Delacroix's painting, The Death of Sardanapalus (pictured)?

Created by Smerus (talk) Self nom at 11:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Lengths and dates are OK. Did not check hook fact and sourcing. --Orlady (talk) 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Offline sources accepted AGF, hooks verified. LittleMountain5 00:56, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Werner Hosewinckel Christie (officer), Johan Koren Christie (officer)

• ... that the brothers Johan and Werner Christie both became Major General in the Royal Norwegian Air Force?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 10:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Date and length are verified for both articles; however, it only briefly states that they obtained the rank of Major General and neither stated that they held that rank in the Royal Norwegian Air Force. Please add to inline cited text within the articles. Also suggest rewording hook to:

ALT1

• ... that brothers Johan and Werner Christie both obtained the rank of Major General in the Royal Norwegian Air Force? Calmer Waters 16:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Both articles cite Werner Christie's biography as the source for the rank of major general (reference 1 in both articles). I believe that the article for Johan needs to be sourced to this link instead. --Orlady (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

New citations introduced—added it in the lead. Geschichte (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• The cite [2] for Jonan Koren Christie, that he was a major general, looks to be titled Werner Christie Calmer Waters 16:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Jan Leighton

• ... that Jan Leighton, Guinness record-holder as the actor who played the most roles, told an interviewer that heaven for him was to "lie in bed stark naked" with no costume and "luxuriate in my own skin"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 04:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• This hook was moved to the preparation area, but did not have a public review. I am concerned that it does not meet the spirit of the fourth selection criterion, in that it focuses on what might be seen as an unduly negative aspect of a recently deceased person.  Skomorokh  23:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
• I just removed this from prep. Seems tasteless, please discuss. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 23:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you feel that way. The quote was said in life and clearly he was comfortable saying it and the hook isn't unduly negative.--Giants27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 23:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer the simpler ALT1: "

• ... that Jan Leighton played over 1,200 famous persons in television and print advertisements, and 1,800 more on radio?" NW (Talk) 00:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 27

Poppyseed oil

• ... that the opium poppy (pictured) has three main products: opium, poppy seeds, and poppyseed oil; and that poppyseed oil has several pharmaceutical uses, none related to opium?

5x expanded by Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• (i) Prose expansion 7930/2357=3.36 (ii) Some paragraphs needs citations (iii) Hook doesn't read well. Suggest something like

• ALT1 ... that opium poppyseed oil (poppy pictured) has several pharmaceutical uses, none related to opium? Materialscientist (talk) 10:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

How is the expansion counted? I count it as starting from this version with 1585 B readable prose and at nomination it was over 8000 B. Below is another version of the hook. --Una Smith (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that opium poppy (seed pod pictured) is the source of poppyseed oil, which has several pharmaceutical uses, none related to opium?

• Investigating these different numbers led me to a long list of issues, but here is the biggest one: To get a figure anywhere near 2357 for the old version, I had to assume that it was counting December 3 minus 5 days. That day is November 28, but the hook is listed under November 27. Art LaPella (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

  Thank you and apologies to both Una and Art for wasting your time with my error (which I can't understand actually). Expansion and ALT2 are Ok. Una, I know you don't have to clear all those "citation needed" tags, but could you try please? Materialscientist (talk) 22:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

  Yes. In a few of hours I'll be back and can work on this. --Una Smith (talk) 01:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Coyoteite

• ... that coyoteite is a rare mineral so far only found at Coyote Peak near Orick, California, USA, and on Kola Peninsula in Russia, and the largest piece of known specimen is only 0.2 × 0.4 mm in size?

Created by Hussain alhawaj (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• The article suffers from being written by someone with limited command of English (not a disqualifier by itself, but a problem). I have skimmed the first two references cited in the article (the 1983 paper that first described the mineral and the recent paper "Thallium-Rich Murunskite from the Lovozero Pluton, Kola Peninsula, and Partitioning of Alkali Metals and Thallium between Sulfide Minerals"), and my reading leads me to distrust this article. Contrary to what the Wikipedia article (and this hook) said, the second article does not describe a second discovery of this mineral; rather it says (in the introductory section) that coyoteite is one of "Eight sulfide minerals with alkali metals playing the species-forming role [that] are known in alkaline plutons." I think there are other errors in the article, but have not taken the time to attempt to investigate it in detail. Unless someone wants to do a fast and thorough "scrub" on the article, I'd say that it is not ready for DYK. --Orlady (talk) 22:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Vsmith (talk · contribs), a former geologist according to his userpage, gave this article a "scrub". Good enough?

• (alt.hook)... that the largest piece of known specimen of coyoteite, a rare mineral found at Coyote Peak near Orick, California, USA, is only 0.2 × 0.4 mm in size?

--PFHLai (talk) 12:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

St. Timothy Catholic Church

• ... that St. Timothy Catholic Church (pictured) in Los Angeles has an antique gold leaf altarpiece believed to have been made in Spain in the 1600s?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 04:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• Length OK hook cited, offline source accepted in good faithThelmadatter (talk) 15:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Sainte-Émélie-de-l'Énergie, Quebec

• ... that Sainte-Émélie-de-l'Énergie in Quebec, Canada, is probably named after the wife of an early settler and the term Énergie may refer to his energetic efforts to keep other settlers to stay?

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• 213 character hook. LittleMountain5 15:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Length fixed. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 16:36, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Perry the Platypus

• ... that the Phineas and Ferb character Perry the Platypus was made a platypus because of the animal's striking appearance?

5x expanded by SuperFlash101 (talk). Nominated by SuperFlash101 (talk) at 05:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Interesting nomination. Expansion, date are fine, but we need a proper reference. I can't access either original or archive of ref. 16. Materialscientist (talk) 07:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• The ref requires subscription to read. Shouldn't that still be fine? The Flash ^{talk} 22:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook verified, source requiring subscription accepted AGF. LittleMountain5 00:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Cleveland S. Rockwell

• ... that Cleveland S. Rockwell (pictured) used the sketches he made during topographical survey expeditions for the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey as the basis for his landscape watercolor and oil paintings?

• Comment: See this reference to verify hook

Created by Orygun (talk). Nominated by Orygun (talk) at 02:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Nice article. Date, length Ok, but the reference for the hook doesn't seem reliable source. Any chance for a better one? The fact is quite obvious, but .. Materialscientist (talk) 07:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Malbis Memorial Church

• ... that the elaborate Greek Orthodox Malbis Memorial Church (pictured) in rural Malbis, Alabama, has never had an active congregation?

Created by Altairisfar (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Checks up in terms of date, length and referencing. Todor→Bozhinov 20:21, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Eric Wood

• ... that American football player Eric Wood finished his collegiate career with 49 consecutive starts at center, the second-longest streak in Louisville history behind Travis Leffew?

5x expanded by Bender235 (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Expansion, date Ok. Hook doesn't mention the country and sport and is unreferenced in the article. Also (mostly) unreferenced are sections College career and High-school career. Materialscientist (talk) 06:53, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Katherine Kersten

• ... that prior to being hired as a columnist for the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Katherine Kersten worked as a lawyer and banker?

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 16:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Is this eyecatching? Geschichte (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

How about this, then: ALT1: "... that Minneapolis Star Tribune columnist Katherine Kersten has referred to President Bill Clinton's handling of affirmative action issues as "the Phil Donahue school of policy making"? Stonemason89 (talk) 01:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Pete Heine

• ... that Pete Heine, the retired mayor of Baker, Louisiana, was the crew chief on a F-86 Saber jet during the Berlin Airlift?

ALT: ... that Pete Heine, the retired mayor of Baker, Louisiana, was a delegate to the 1973 state Constitutional Convention held in Baton Rouge?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Both cite [3] for orginal hook and cite [10] for alt hook direct to web site of his daughter. Can you provide a Third party reliable source to verify the facts? Calmer Waters 16:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Additional source cited for both hooks, prefer first oneBilly Hathorn (talk) 20:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26

ZumoDrive

• ... that ZumoDrive is a HybridCloud system that allows for your iPhone to act as if it can store gigabytes more data than it actually can?

Created by Dbrisinda (talk), Roachgod (talk). Self nom at 05:12, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Providence Grays all-time roster

• ... that William Edward White may have been the first African-American to play Major League Baseball when he appeared in one game for the 1879 Providence Grays?

5x expanded by Neonblak (talk). Nominated by Neonblak (talk) at 17:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• I haven't looked at the article.. but Did you know that something may have been? Doesn't really seem the right kind of hook to me. I don't know what others think? I'd personally prefer a more solid hook. Harrias (talk) 09:52, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I thought it would be a good hook to get people interested in the subject, but the information is not conclusive at the moment, hopefully this will get resolved in the future and then it would be a great hook for his article. An alternative hook is posted below.Neonblak ^talk - 17:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• ... that Paul Hines is the only player to have played in each of the Providence Grays Major League Baseball franchise's eight seasons?

Myinsaing Kingdom

• ... that the Myinsaing Kingdom was established in 1298 by three brothers who invited King Kyawswa of Pagan to lead the dedication of a monastery, only to dethrone him and force him to become a monk there immediately afterwards?

• Comment: A better wording of the hook may well be possible...

Created by Hybernator (talk). Nominated by Olaf Davis (talk) at 20:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

St. Martin of Tours Catholic Church

• ... that St. Martin of Tours Church (pictured) was the site of Dan Akroyd's eulogy to John Candy and a media frenzy when O.J. Simpson appeared at his slain wife's funeral?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 18:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church (Los Angeles)

• ... that a 1999 fire in St. Thomas the Apostle Catholic Church caused an estimated $1.2 million in damage?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 05:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I had intended to nominate this article myself an offer the following 'alt hook:

• ... that LA's Mission Revival St. Thomas the Apostle Church (pictured), built in 1904, re-opened in 2002 after being badly damaged in an arson fire? Cbl62 (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Image, length and date check out. Offline refs for both articles AGF, prefer the original hook (possibly still with the image). Good to go. Harrias (talk) 09:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Oswego (1756)

• ... that John Campbell, Earl of Loudoun tried to blame the British loss in the 1756 Battle of Fort Oswego on William Shirley?

5x expanded by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Lots of unreferenced paragraphs in the Background section, DYK requires at least one reference per paragraph. Harrias (talk) 09:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

• Should be fixed. Magic♪piano 15:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Bill Keith (Louisiana politician)

• ... that former Louisiana State Senator Bill Keith authored a creation science law that was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1987 case Edwards v. Aguillard?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hook sentence unreferenced. Had a quick look around to see if I could find one elsewhere in your article, but I couldn't, please cite. Harrias (talk) 09:37, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

See Notes 11 and 12Billy Hathorn (talk) 11:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ALT ... that a Shreveport city commissioner once ordered the planting of narcotics in the vehicle of investigative reporter Bill Keith, later a Louisiana state senator?

2009 Barack Obama visit to China

File:Voa obamao.JPG

• ... that during Barack Obama's 2009 visit to China there was Chinese merchandise with the name of "Obamao"?

Created by . Benjwong. Nominated by 04:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• In the hook, articles need to be linked to and the article the DYK is focusing on should be bolded. In the article itself, the particular fact isn't referenced. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:15, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: As the signature wasn't filled out completely, the nominator was User:Arilang1234 (talk). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hilarious image, but the image can't PD-self because it is not an original work of the phogographer. Fair use image could not be used for DYK hook--Caspian blue 04:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The image is VOA image, is in the Public Domain, you can check the VOA website. Arilang ^talk 15:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The image may be taken by the VOA writer with the PD license, but does not own the original copyright of the roadside merchandise. The photo is a derivative work of 2D art, so can not be in PD. That is what I'm talking about.--Caspian blue 00:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think you are wrong, Caspian blue, anyone can take a photo of Mona Lisa(so to speak) and upload it into commons. The "art work" may not be PD, but the "photo" is PD. Arilang ^talk 01:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• I've stricken out my note above, as the link has been fixed and references have been added. Now it just needs to be re-evaluated for any other problems or be approved. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• The article is now at AfD. LittleMountain5 18:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 25

Gregory Tarver

• ... that funeral home owner Gregory Tarver was named "Black Leader of the Year" in Shreveport in 1983, when he was first elected to the Louisiana State Senate?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

• Source says he was first elected in 1996, and does not mention Shreveport in connection to the "Black Leader of the Year" title. Ucucha 20:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

State Senator (1984 to date); elected in fall 1983. See notes 1 and 2. Black Leader of the Year was in 1983, when he had yet to become a state official; it is implied that it was in Shreveport and not elsewhere.Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the implication, and how is the enlou.com source credible when it doesn't even get the date of his election into the Senate right? Ucucha 03:29, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the 1996 date on enlou is wrong. It is 1984. The state source I listed shows it as 1984.Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

ALT: ... that Shreveport businessman Gregory Tarver is the first African American to have served as a state senator from Caddo Parish since Reconstruction?

ALT2: ... that prior to his election as a state senator, businessman Gregory Tarver was the first African American to have served on the reconstituted Shreveport City Council?

Silver Reef, Utah

• ... that the ghost town of Silver Reef, Utah, had the only silver mines in America that extracted silver from sandstone?

Created by User:The Utahraptor (talk). Nominated by ϢereSpielChequers 16:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Referencing improved. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 17:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• Fact for hook is not cited within the article. It appears in the first sentence of the header, but not within the body of the article. Would need inline sourced Calmer Waters 03:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
• Yes, the fact should be better described and referenced in the article (ref. 1 does not really seem like WP:RS). Materialscientist (talk) 07:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24

Spoon River College

• ... that Spoon River College is the only community college in Illinois to offer student housing via a local university?

5x expanded by IlliniGradResearch (talk). Nominated by IlliniGradResearch (talk) at 00:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Expansion and date are Ok. Let us on focus on the hook. The article says "While Illinois law typically prevents community colleges from offering student housing SRC became one of the first in the State, and one of only a few dozen in the United States to arrange campus housing for students" Thus I was thinking to make up a hook that SRC offers student housing despite the state prevents that (strong isn't) but see no factual support yet. The refs talk about SRC intentions, and I don't see the fact for "prevents" (ref. 24?) I guess I'm missing something upon quick look and you can help explaining. Materialscientist (talk) 05:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The notes for the factual support can be found on ref notes 24 and 25. Line 34 is the actual law regarding which buildings are permitted under the Community College act in Illinois, which is sourced from the legislature site for the state of Illinois. The second is the confirmation of this interpretation of the law via the "Forward" article in citation 25. If you look at Para 5 in the article discusses how colleges are directly prevented from building and managing on campus housing.

We could look at a couple of alternatives

• Alt1 - ... that in spite of Illinois Law, Spoon River College is able to offer campus housing for its students?

• Alt2 - ... that Spoon River College is one of only two community colleges in the State of Illinois to offer campus housing to its students?

• Alt3 - ... that Spoon River College is the only community college to get around the Illinois state law prohibiting two-year colleges from offering student housing?

Your thoughts?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 06:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

• Alt4 - ... that Spoon River College is one of only a few community colleges to get around the Illinois state law prohibiting two-year colleges from offering student housing?

• Alt5 - ... that Spoon River College is one of only three community colleges in the State of Illinois to offer campus housing to its students?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 15:38, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

  Sorry for being .. me. I still do not observe a valid reference for any hook. Refs. 24-26 don't seem to talk about this college and don't say how many offer housing. Materialscientist (talk) 05:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Alt6 - ... that Spoon River College, an Illinois community college, offers student housing by partnering with a Major University? IlliniGradResearch (talk) 06:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

• Alt7 - ... that Spoon River College is an Illinois community college that offers student housing and healthcare in partnership with the Western Illinois University? -- that is in the refs now ~ R.T.G 14:01, 29 Nove~

Looks good, can we get a thumbs up on Atl 7 from anyone?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 17:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm OK with the sourcing for that (some refs are online but some are AGF), in the following reworded version:

Alt8 - ... that a partnership with Western Illinois University allows Spoon River College, a community college, to offer student housing and healthcare?

--Orlady (talk) 21:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

That's the best hook on phrasing, although it would be nice if we could incorporate something about that law, which in my view makes it substantially more interesting. Sourcing may make that difficult, though. Besides, we might get to Alt10, which is a feat worth having on its own. Ucucha 21:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Ucucha regarding the law, and think it is an interesting aspect of this entire deal. I cited ref 24, which is the actual section of the Public Community College act which designates which buildings are permitted to be funded. The second is the confirmation of this interpretation of the law via the "Forward" article in citation 25. If you look at Para 5 in the article discusses how colleges are directly prevented from building and managing on campus housing. While the article does not mentioned SRC itself, it further backs up the issue regarding the law preventing student housing for Community Colleges. As mentioned in the article, so far, Illinois Central College and Joliet Junior College have gotten around this by using their foundations to finance and manage the operation. Shawnee Community College and Rend Lake College have done the same thing which can be seen in the articles themselves. However, SRC is unique in that it is the only one I could find in Illinois that has this type of arrangement with a local university. Does anyone have an ALT idea that the current refs could support that includes this aspect. If not, the current Alt 8 is good as well. Your thoughts?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 22:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

What about this:

• ALT9: ... that although Illinois law generally prohibits community colleges from offering student housing, Spoon River College is able to do so through a partnership with Western Illinois University?

Ucucha 22:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Great hook for Alt 9 as it can be backed up by current refs (law-24) and partnership - (ref 27-29). Can we get an approval on this hook?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 23:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but... The hook fact is supported by sources, but much of the rest of the information in that article sentence is not clearly supported by the sources cited there. The sentence in question has sourcing for the state law and the other two CCs that offer housing, but it does not appear to have support for "SRC became one of the first in the state" or for "one of only a few dozen...." --Orlady (talk) 21:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the input. Made the changes to the text you mentioned, and the hook is supported by the refs. Any other input?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 22:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I still don't see anything in the cited sources that says that only a few dozen US community colleges offer housing. Since part of the hook is supported by the same article sentence that contains that unsupported fact, I don't think ALT9 is ready to go to the main page. Perhaps that fact is on a different page of http://www.aacc.nche.edu/ (?) -- the statistics page cited in the article gives the total number of CCs, but it says nothing about housing. --Orlady (talk) 01:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Er... ALT9 doesn't say anything about only a few dozen community colleges offering student housing. The thing it adds to your ALT8 is the fact about Illinois law. Ucucha 01:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Wait, I understand your concern. Yes, the article text should be supported by its sources before we promote it. Ucucha 01:20, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• corrected that line that states "one of only a few dozen. What is left is supported by the refs and fits Alt9 Your thoughts IlliniGradResearch (talk) 01:23, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

  A note, I tried several times to review this nom before and encountered insufficient referencing at all stages - IMO, this is still a problem (unless we AGF some off-line ones), not the hook phrasing. Materialscientist (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Can anyone suggest what corrections be made regarding this hook and article. I understand the need to be selective in the DYK process and want to ensure in all respects it meets the standard. With regard to the ref's, there are two refs I had to locate in the university archives because they were not online. However, I could scan them and upload them for verification. Is the question whether housing is offered at all, or the statement regarding it being contrary to state law? in addition i added an online ref that also discusses the agreement between the university and SRC. Any input would be welcome. IlliniGradResearch (talk) 01:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• I found two "interesting" online items: (1) This page on the SRC website says that SRC does not offer campus housing, but provides information on how students can get housing at WIU. This suggests that the relationship is not as cozy as the article indicates. (2) In this newspaper article from April 2009, the college president is quoted as opposing dormitories at a community college: "In a recent Chronicle of Higher Education article, a community college president from Illinois attacked the notion of such colleges having dorms, saying they breed pot-smoking and general folderol. 'Community colleges are meant to be in the community. Why would you need to live in a dorm?' Spoon River College President Robert Ritschel, who heads four two-year schools in west-central Illinois, said in a phone interview." --Orlady (talk) 00:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The relationship between the institutions is an agreement to allow SRC student to take part in the housing program at WIU. WIU operates, manages, and administers all aspects. SRC does nothing on their end but let the students know, and coordinate financial aid where appropriate. The agreement was reached prior to the current presidents tenure. It is clear he is anti-housing being sponsored by the college itself. However the agreement is still in place, and students still utilize it. But I am starting to see where a hook regarding the housing is problematic given the opinion of the president and the refs. I am of the opinion that we should drop the housing hook. However, other than housing arrangement, there is not much interesting about the article other than the following possible hooks:

• Alt10 - ... that Spoon River College held classes for 17 years before earning accreditation? (Classes first in 1960 ref 1 and 9, accreditation by the NCACS via HLC in 1977 Ref 3)

• Alt11 -... that Spoon River College celebrated the 50th anniversary of its founding this year? (refs 1 and 9).

Are these hooks possible given the refs mentioned? If these hooks are not interesting enough than I would have no problem withdrawing the DYK Nom. Your thoughts? IlliniGradResearch (talk) 15:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Neither of those is actually from the article. I would support ALT12:

• ALT12 ... that Spoon River College in Illinois was founded in 1959 as Canton Community College?

--Orlady (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles for December 11 (and following days) – Hanukkah

A Rugrats Chanukah

• ... that the Rugrats episode "A Rugrats Chanukah" was pitched to the series crew by Nickelodeon in 1992?

Created by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• Lengths and hook facts OK (AGF on offline sources; citations are to RS sources). It's an interesting article. I wonder if the hook could be made more interesting by revising it to say "... that although the Rugrats episode "A Rugrats Chanukah" was pitched to the series crew by Nickelodeon in 1992, it was not produced until 1996?" --Orlady (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

• That one does sound better. Consider that my ALT1. The Flash ^{talk} 02:31, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• Uninvolved tick for Orlady's Alt hook, it is an improvement on the original and the facts check out. Maedin\^talk 12:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for December 25 – Christmas Day

A Dog Named Christmas

• ... that the 2009 television movie A Dog Named Christmas was based on a novel by Greg Kincaid, who said his family hated the story when he originally wrote it?

Created by Rej5y7 (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 06:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date, source, and hook verified. LittleMountain5 00:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Peace Candle

• ... that former heavyweight boxing champion Larry Holmes expects this year to light the Peace Candle (pictured), a candle-like structure erected every Christmas season in Easton, Pennsylvania?

• Comment: I've never done a DYK for a special occasion date, so sorry if I've handled it wrong at all. Please note, Holmes is supposed to flip the switch on November 27, so I figure after that time I can change it to past tense. Does that work? If not, I can come up with an alt, but I'll be gone for the next three or four days for the holiday, so I can handle it when I get back...

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:45, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date, sources, image, and hook all check out. Changing to past tense tomorrow sounds good to me. LittleMountain5 ^{Happy Thanksgiving!} 18:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Phineas and Ferb's Christmas Vacation

• ... that the swing group Big Bad Voodoo Daddy (pictured) performed music for the Phineas and Ferb special "Phineas and Ferb's Christmas Vacation"?

• Comment: Seeing that Jerk de Soleil thing on DYK this morning, and the fact that we finally have a future episode of this show with actual press coverage beforehand, is a great opportunity. It was either this, or saying that they think its going to be a holiday classic.

Created by ViperSnake151 (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook verified. I'm saving this one for December 25 (Christmas Day) hooks. MuZemike 18:02, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Émilien Amaury

• ... that when the press baron Émilien Amaury died after falling from his horse, a rival paper's headline was "Amaury falls from horse: horse is safe"?Les woodland (talk) 12:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)les woodland

• There's another hook for Émilien Amaury under November 28. Art LaPella (talk) 20:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)