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Reply

Please reply here because, time has already passed for my request. Regards. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 00:27, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Hello. You have been invited to share your views and provide consensus on the matter of coloring regarding the current-running films of List of highest-grossing Bollywood films. Please go here to add your viewpoint. Cheers. AnkitBhatt^WDF 15:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello. Is your viewpoint about coloring in this list final? Are you certain you do not want coloring on this list? Since we may come to a close of consensus soon, or perhaps ask Hollywood-list editors to share their views, I suggest you read through the entire consensus section which showcases both viewpoints, and then add your final decision under Support/Oppose section. The former if you do not want coloring, the latter if you do. Thanks. AnkitBhatt^WDF 16:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Adoption

I have corrected most of my mistakes.Greg Heffley 22:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Above again.Greg Heffley 21:16, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Marcus Qwertyus/Archive 1#Abuse response case

OSUHEY's back. [1] So what can we do now? Marcus Qwertyus 00:48, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Could you make a WP:LTA page for tracking? I will be re-contacting and advising about m:Terms of use. If he continues, I say that blocking the Senate Building is warranted even though there could be collateral dammage. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 01:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I think that we can open an LTA page if this user has 50 or more socks. If he does, we should do it. --Katarighe (talk) 22:08, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

He obviously has, but number of socks is not actually part, but it's

• The user must have a sockpuppet category. This requirement is to ensure that only abusive users are listed at long-term abuse, since a sockpuppet category shows that the user has abused multiple accounts.
• The user must have at least one blocked account. This shows that the user has indeed disrupted Wikipedia.
• The abuse must have continued over at least a duration of six months. This shows that the user was abusive over a long duration of time.

~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 22:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/OSUHEY. Is this what you need? Marcus Qwertyus 23:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Question 9 & 10

I apologize for taking so long to answer your question. It was one concerning an area about which I was unfamilar and needed to researched. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:16, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

It would of been fine if you didn't answer. I was just checking your contributions. Also, let me point out that HJ Mitchell has a COI, as demonstrated on WP:AN. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I answered, as your point in the oppose section was well made, and I did not wish any to think I was puposely ducking the issue. And in answering #10, I believe I have determined the motivation behind it. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Incomplete MfD closure

I completed the MfD closure of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Television in Australia. You seemed to have stopped at step 3. Mark Hurd (talk) 02:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Just forgot. Sorry. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 10:40, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:UWTEST update

Hi Ebe123,

Just giving you a heads-up about the latest update on our template testing. Please peruse when you have a minute. Thanks! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Consensus

Hello. Please visit this section of the Ra.One talk page, and provide a consensus so as to decide the future of my proposition. I will be glad if you also mention some comments regarding how to approach this (undoubtedly) longer and more detailed review. Thank you. AnkitBhatt^WDF AnkitBhatt^WDF 16:45, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

French CVU

Sorry it took so long! I haven't been on in a while.

Cheers! --Wyatt915 22:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 10:11, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Feedback Dashboard upgrade

Hi Ebe123,

Thanks for signing up for the Feedback Dashboard response team! I wanted to let you know that the tool just got an important update (see here for details). I also wanted to invite you to the IRC office hours session that Steven and I are going to hold this Sunday, December 4. Hope you can make it and share your experience/questions with us! Thanks again, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 00:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

GA reviews

Hi Ebe123, I've just closed the Poppy Meadow GA reassessment as "keep". The article was close to being GA standard when nominated but it had a number of problems with the prose that needed to be addressed. I noticed that you are taking part in the GA backlog elimination drive. That's great, hopefully we can make a big dent in the backlog. Please just try to be a bit more thorough when checking articles against the good article criteria. Also, when you do finish reviews on articles that pass, don't forget to list them at WP:GA. --BelovedFreak 16:58, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanksgiving (Family Guy) GAN

Your concerns have been addressed. Gage (talk) 08:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Mr Jolly lives next door

Hi. Please could you explain your edits on User talk:Mr Jolly lives next door. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  02:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

So, I removed a test made from FeedbackDashboard and added a notice. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 11:51, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Well...the user was actually me; I made a test account, so I could see how the 'feedback' thing appeared to a new user. But I don't understand why you did what you did; all the "new user" did was, to write 'test' on their own user talk page. And you removed your own CSD-tag, but left 'them' a deletion notice - which would've been very confusing, and not very nice, for a new user.

G2 does not apply to userspace pages.

In that specific case, as I said, it doesn't matter - but if it had been a genuine new user, it would've been WP:BITE.  Chzz  ►  19:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, if it was a genuine new editor, they would not reply to themselves. A test page does apply to userspace and is sometimes demostrated on WP:MfD. You should of explicitly stated that it was yours anyway. Anyways, this does seem as a violation of WP:SOCK, as disrupting Special:FeedbackDashboard. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 20:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by "A test page does apply to userspace and is sometimes demostrated on WP:MfD"?  Chzz  ►  20:52, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes, I see user talk pages nominated on MfD for being a test page. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 21:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

MfD, yes; but not speedy G2, which specifically excludes user-space. And if anyone took a brand-new user-talk page containing just a 'test reply' from the user to MfD, it would certainly not be deleted.  Chzz  ►  21:16, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Litigators/GA1

Further feedback requested at Talk:The Litigators/GA1.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Blame It on Lisa

Hi! I saw you made some edits to Blame It on Lisa. I'm working on the article here, so feel free to make changes there. Regards, Theleftorium ^(talk) 14:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Good! I want it for GA to complete season 13. I found out about it while making File:Simpsons classes.png, for the WikiProject. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 14:21, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I see! I'm getting the season 13 DVD for Christmas so I won't be able to listen to the audio commentary until then. But it should be nominated for GA by the end of the month. :) Theleftorium ^(talk) 14:40, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

RFA thank you

Thank you for your support at my recent successful RFA, and for asking your questions. Being now the new fellow in the fraternity of administrators, I will do my best to live up to the confidence shown in me by others, will move slowly and carefully when using the mop, will seek input from others before any action of which I might be unsure, and will try not to break anything beyond repair. Best, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 21:25, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The Ten-Per-Cent Solution

The plot section needs work. CTJF83 23:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, and again, please don't nominate articles for GAN without asking the other contributors. I didn't get time to add this source. Theleftorium ^(talk) 17:25, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Category namespace

Template:Category namespace has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Bulwersator (talk) 15:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Chemical Pages

I did one chemical page on Cyanophos

Rjeng2000 (talk)Rjeng2000 (talk) 02:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I also did another page on EndothionRjeng2000 (talk)Rjeng2000 (talk) 01:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I have just done the following page: Oxamyl - one of the red-linked pages on the List_of_extremely_hazardous_substances, as per your post on the WP:REWARD board. Jeremy112233 (talk) 23:16, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Consensus

Hello there. This notice is being sent to inform you that there is currently a consensus discussion going on here. It will be greatly appreciated if you could participate in this debate, as you have worked on this article before and are familiar with its working and history. Thank you. AnkitBhatt^WDF 08:37, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Ra.One Issue

Hello. Please comment here and put up your opinion regarding this issue. Your help will be much appreciated. Thank You. AnkitBhatt^WDF 15:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

New banner picture vote

Click here to vote for a new picture for our task force banner. sillybillypiggy^{¡SIGN NOW OR ELSE!} 17:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

PLEASE HELP :(

Ankit Bhatt has been deleting my comments on the Ra.one discussion talk-page . Why ? Why ? I don't think that's the right way to treat someone .

He even abuses me continuously in his comments and then regularly deletes my comments even if i upload them at the right place again .:((

Please help me :(

Seeta mayya (talk) 23:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

It certanly isn't good to remove other's comments. I will be reinstating them and asking him to discuss it before. One thing that I think is that he things of them as an attack. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Dear admin . , just see his comments .All his comments have been derogatory , especially his last one . I feel butchered here by a gang :( He is so very touchy about SRK and nothing else Now , as you can see , i have again uploaded my previous comments ....but he will again delete them ..im sure as he has already written in his comments .:(

Seeta mayya (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm warning him. But I'm actually not a administrator. All's fine, as I am not powerless. Anyone can enforce things, and implement things and all that. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

but then why did you give me a warning and not to them ?? was it coz im new here . So do u mean even i can start deleting his comments ??? It seems he wants to come to my home and kill me .Please read his comments for once . Huh :(

SCARY ?? IS'NT IT ?? Seeta mayya (talk) 00:05, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for that, wrong user. No, and I like helping new editors. You shouldn't start what he was doing and doing so can result in a block. I have read his comments and warned him about civility. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 00:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I am so grateful to you , but i feel really scared right now . What should i do if they do it again ? Should i again contact u ? Will both of them block me from editing . I won't ever do such a thing as deleting others comments or attacking anybody . The truth in that ra1 discussion was that both of them being such huge fans of srk are not even willing to listen :(

Seeta mayya (talk) 00:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Start a discussion for others to know, like WP:AN/I. So they can't block you, as they do not have the technical ability (neither do I). Keep your calm, and go into other things for now just the time to cool down and the others too. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 00:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Madam Seeta, I will pull up 20 references of uncivil and abusive behavior, as well as discussion which is totally irrelevant to the ongoing consensus, that will forever shut your mouth and banish you from here. That's a much better thing to do than "come to your house and murder you" LMAO!!!!! So, as I have repeatedly suggested, get lost from here. AnkitBhatt^WDF 05:32, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Seriously

Seriously now, from a grown up to an other you can not expect me to handle such person with "calm" and ease, I am cool with her so far...but really? kill her? go to her house, begging, numb, scared? is this the Italian mafia or wiki? --Meryam90 (talk) 00:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

LOL !! plzz be calm ..plzzz ...

Seeta mayya (talk) 01:12, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Stop trolling every convo out here...Jeez woman *facepalms* I don't need to calm down...you on the other hand, clearly do...Just stop.--Meryam90 (talk) 01:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

me ? oh come on ...u know it who's so getting hyper at d moment ? please leave this hatred here ..please dont hate me ..please... and please have a look at my srk page suggestions for the profile-pic u told me 2 get :-) Seeta mayya (talk) 01:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Did I just hear Seeta say that she's afraid I'll come to her house and murder her?...............................................

I think everyone can understand exactly who is the dumbo here :D. AnkitBhatt^WDF 05:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:UWTEST update

Hi Ebe123,

We're currently busy designing some new tests, and we need your feedback/input!

1. ImageTaggingBot - a bot that warns users who upload images but don't provide adequate source or license information (drafts here)
2. CorenSearchBot - a bot that warns users who copy-paste text from external websites or other Wikipedia articles (drafts here)

We also have a proposal to test new "accepted," "declined," and "on-hold" templates at Articles for Creation (drafts here). The discussion isn't closed yet, so please weigh in if you're interested.

Thanks for your help! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 01:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Participation chart

[2], [3], [4], [5] – Some editors would like to know why you rollbacked Johnuniq's revision without an explanation. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I did not rollback his edits, or did I... Well, I didn't mean to [revert] obviously and I didn't see that I made those edits. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's your revision. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes, there it is... You linked it to me above. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 13:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I linked to the wrong revision previously. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:40, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 13:55, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Ebe123. You have new messages at MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist.
Message added 15:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

mabdul 15:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposal

I have begun work on a proposal for the CVU. It can be viewed (and changed) here. Tarheel95 (Sprechen) 21:16, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I saw. I am just construction one too, but that will be way bigger and with more. b~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 01:50, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Abuse response nomination

Could you please review my nomination at Wikipedia:Abuse response/Nominate.--Ankit Maity ^{Talk • contribs} 05:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Abuse response nomination

I sent the copy of my letter to the specified e-mail address.--Ankit Maity ^{Talk • contribs} 12:22, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Going to check now. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

The article does not make it clear if you can recive jail time for downloading..

Please include in the article if you can receive jail time for downloading copyrighted material or is it only for uploading?

Sorry, but I do not know. I suggest that you go to User:Rich Farmbrough for that. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 19:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Janni Lee Simner

I've done the most I can for Janni Lee Simner. What do you think? Silverseren^C 09:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

It's good, as it has mostly reliable references, and goes good enough with the MOS. Just 1 thing, I think that colums would be appropriate for the reference list. Time to re-move in my opinion. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

There, double reference columns. You should do the honors of moving it, since you submitted it to the Wikiproject. :3 Silverseren^C 18:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Will do! ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 18:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Quality request of Tay–Sachs disease

Hello Ebe123, you recently requested on the WikiProject Judaism Assessment page that the Tay–Sachs disease article be assessed. Right now the article is rated A by WikiProject Judaism and B by the three other WikiProjects thzt the article belongs to. To clarify, are you asking that the article be demoted or raised to higher status? If you are requesting a raise then in order to obtain GA status for the article please see here. if you were in fact asking for the article to be demoted just let me know and I apologize if you already know all this stuff. Cheers, Magister Scienta^talk 22:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I know all of that, and I'm asking for a demotion. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 00:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done After reviewing the article, I demoted Tay–Sachs disease to B status. Sorry for any confusion, Magister Scienta^talk 03:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Adoption

Just found this... I have to say, you were fairly short with that user, if it were me I wouldn't have responded. Adoption is one of those difficult things, especially with new users in this low editor retention environment - can I request that you try to be a little more friendly if you carry on in that area? Worm^TT · (talk) 11:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Fine. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Request for your perspective on SOPA

Hi Ebe123, there's currently an ongoing discussion about splitting the Stop Online Piracy Act page at Talk:Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#ONGOING_DISCUSSION_-_Splitting_the_Article. You've familiarized yourself with the entry before, and your insight and perspective on the matter would be appreciated. Hope to see you there, Sloggerbum (talk) 23:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Ebe123. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Abuse response/Nominate.
Message added 05:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Just asking you to review my nomination. Ankit Maity ^{Talk • contribs} 05:27, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

MayhemMario is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks for adding link...

At Strategy; I appreciate it.--Axel™ (talk) 15:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 15:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Review request

Please, can you check my transfers and uploads? Bulwersator (talk) 16:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I have reviewed some of them and saw copyright problems off the bat. I also put 3 or 4 images in Files for deletion. I will be continuing. One thing is that this is 3 fourths of a full review as full reviews require looking at the file locally. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 17:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, always add a good description, do not copy descriptions from the site, and add existing categories. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 17:23, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I responded on deletion requests and improved categories. I am not sure what is wrong with copying descriptions from source sites. Bulwersator (talk) 19:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

All are copyright concerns. The site might only put the images as free and not the captions. Remember about the descriptions. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 19:23, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

So [[:File:Lensshoe hubble.jpg|this description is safe (from APOD website and file metadata), description from hubblesite is also OK (but with attribution) and copying from typical website is likely to be a problem? Bulwersator (talk) 19:51, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

There's no problem there, but sometimes, there will be. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 20:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	Happy new year!
	We wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year! Pass a Method talk 20:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Have a merry christmas too (And New Year). ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 20:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Images_and_Media/Commons/Drives#Priority_List_for_January_2012_Drive

Hi Ebe123, hope you had a wonderful Christmas. I have an idea for the upcoming MtC drive, and your thoughts on that matter would be appreciated. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 21:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Section empty

Not sure why the section on prevention is empty? I will give you some more time to summary and return the summary.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Just fixing the references for now, and thinking about the section. The references needs lots of work. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 14:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes to get this article to GA all refs will need to be either review articles or major textbooks per WP:MEDRS --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:47, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

	Happy New Year!
	Happy new year and we will see you contributing in 2012 of the new year. We are hoping to see and help to make Wikipedia better! Katarighe (Talk · Contributions · E-mail) 22:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks alot. New Year Wikimedia's to-read: incubator:Incubator:News/2011 report. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 22:52, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

GAN backlog elimination drives

So here's where the coordinators' main job begins. You will go over each review and check against the good article criteria (having the criteria and review page in 2 different browser tabs is very useful). To coordinate effort and avoid duplication (plus letting the participants know our progress), mark review status with {{in progress}} or {{done}} in front of the user's name like this. Use asterisk (*) to mark questionable reviews and we'll examine the matter more closely. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 15:31, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there anybody out there?

Hi Ebe,

For the first time since I had the desire to contribute to Wikipedia/Wikimedia have I run into something that does not make me feel completely lost and inadequate and alienated. Congratulations!

Also thanks to my son, who has had to bear the burden of my frequent How do Is, and who has just pointed me at Adopt-a-user; which is where I picked you - lucky you!

We might go a long way together if you have patience.

I'm an editor that likes to help others, and getting wikipedia an even better place. is what caught my eye.

I am very active in Distributed Proofreaders, and I am very pleased at the contribution I make there. My particular field of interest is in mentoring beginner proofreaders to get them up to speed. So I feel that I have a fair idea what I am talking about when I experience Wikipedia so very different from Distributed Proofreaders.

I will quote a few bits from today's emails to my son to give you a flavour of my feelings. Please don't respond to every point; I only want to give you a feeling of my frustrations. In chronological order, addressed to my son:

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This is my first attempt at mastering uploading of pictures. I could not easily distinguish between wikimedia and wikipedia. It is VERY hard to figure out what to do when.

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I had gone to a talk page of someone who left something for me: From the comments of the other users on the same page - things are designed for those that <know>. If you <don't know>, God help you. I (and maybe others) certainly don't have the time (or geeky habits) to sit for hours trying all sorts of stuff until I accidentally hit on the magic buttons.

Whenever I want to contribute to W I feel a sinking feeling, because I know I won't do a good job, and it won't be easy to find out what a good job is. If it weren't for the fact that I could ask you for help (as I've done so often) I would have thrown in the towel long ago.

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The wikipedia/wikimedia pages are information-dense and very busy and disorganised. Some of the worst site layouts I've come across simply because, surely if they can't get it right, who can? Have they no good website designers?

If the first page (the only first page) for contributors, gave prominence to these choices:

Are you a brand-new contributor needing full-on help? Would you like to figure things out yourself for fun? Are you an experienced wikipedia/wikimedia man?

It might be a good start.

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I have thought a bit, and the problem of poor website layout/design is simply a manifestation of some very muddled thinking about the whole site and probably its philosophies.

For a start, never have I seen an obvious link for raw beginners that said: what is a wiki and how does it work?

The prime assumption must not be (as it clearly is at the moment) Let's deal (only) with the people who know what's going on.

Since W want a resource that is accessible to all (they're pretty much OK there) that can be built by anybody, they have to work a whole lot more on the second part. It is simply not user-friendly. When I ask xxx, who's right next to me, a question, and he is lost, and I have to mail you, that is a clear thumbs-down.

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I have two general thoughts:

It is a huge impediment to learning anything new if you think you already know it.

This is a problem that has a solution. The only thing is to find that solution.

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Someone once said of educational institutions: A varied faculty is best for teaching. I get the strong feeling that W is staffed by geeks who can't seem to figure out that geeks make up only a small percentage of human beings, and they might be side-lining a huge and valuable resource.

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After I got the link to Adopt-a-user

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Now this is VERY GOOD.

How did I miss the huge link on the main page that would have taken me here straightaway?

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And finally, my son said this to me: I think you (as a savvy potential contributor who's put off by the website) would be very valuable

Thanks for your attention.

How do I get to see your reply - will I get an email notification? I clicked Watch this page.

Bess (Teachalakazi (talk) 16:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC))

As you clicked Watch this page, you go to Special:Watchlist, and when I respond, it will show something like " User talk:Ebe123‎ (diff | hist) . . (+...) . . Ebe123 (talk | contribs)". I have sent you an email,so thats not the system doing that.

I understand the fustrastion. I have been there too. User talk pages are for those who knows only. I am experienced at wiki(p|m)edia projects, focusing on the meta side and languages. I will adopt (wiki) you. Honestly, I've never heard of Distributed Proofreaders. WP:MOS... Not all good. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 17:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:MtC drive

Re:MtC drive

I added dates, but there is a problem with File:Mystery molecule arrow pushing.PNG maybe it should be rather tagged with {{Do not move to Commons|Used only on [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2007_September_21]]}}? Bulwersator (talk) 18:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

That template is for copyright concerns, so if there was a problem, add {{Not moved to commons}}. But still, nothing is bad with that image, and file usage can be ignored. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 18:52, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

So leaving empty description is better? Bulwersator (talk) 18:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I think you should ask Sifaka for the description. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 19:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought about this but poor idea - (s)he is inactive Bulwersator (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Go to the reference desk from that day. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 19:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Commons Drive - Logs Formatting

Ebe, it appears as though I'm having a hard time logging the files I move. Could you take a look at my log and let me know what I'm doing wrong? Achowat (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Nothing that bad, but just put on Hot-Cat and add some categories (Baseball). Just go to commons:Special:ListFiles/Achowat, and the file name and all is there. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 23:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I've added the categories; the issue is that the files aren't "showing up" on the log page. Achowat (talk) 01:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll go see. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 01:13, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

YGM

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Replied. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Jan 2012 MTC drive

Hi Ebe, I just came to know about this drive, and by the desire to help, I've joined it. In the past, I've moved some files from Wiki to Commons, but this drive kind of thing is new to me. Would you please tell me whether this transference is okay? — Bill william compton^Talk 04:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

All is fine! ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Strat-o-matic-cards.jpg

Is PD-text enough to keep this file? Bulwersator (talk) 08:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

PS Is it OK to move file without description, uploaded by inactive user, used in article but without useful description? Bulwersator (talk) 08:49, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, just put something like "Fouad Awad playing in The Alley. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Is it OK to move File:Lee on bikeP1090034.JPG? User claimed PD-self, high resolution (3,648 × 2,736 pixels), tineye & google failed to find copies, with exif, but photo looks quite professional and is without description Bulwersator (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and the description could have to do with the page of which it appears. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 12:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Adoption

Hmm. Hello!

Does your offer to be my tutor is standing? Willy Weasley^{Avada _Kedavra! 14:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)}

I forgot about that. So as you seem to be a sysop on your wiki, may I skip some lessons such as civility, wiki markup, copyright and discussion? Like you must of learned that at ptwiki. As I used to patrol new pages, I will help with that. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 14:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the policy on Wikipedia, I believe that there is not much difference between the English Wikipedia and the Portuguese version. The biggest problem for me is that the tools are completely different. At first, I would be delighted to have access to the deletion policy, of elimination, and how I can use all the basic editing tools availables, which are numerous.

Willy Weazley 20:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

What software did you use to create File:Jan 2012 MtC drive progress.png?

What software did you use to create File:Jan 2012 MtC drive progress.png? Sven Manguard Wha? 00:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Microsoft Excel 2008 for Macintosh. (equivalant to 2010 version for Windows but can still be opened by 2007). ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 00:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I think it is rather funny that the file is on en-wiki and not on Commons :-D --MGA73 (talk) 08:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

That's why. I also added a giant note to not accept it and added {{nobots}}. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 10:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Marking files as reviewed

Hi. If you mark your transfers as reviewed they will end up in a category under Category:Wikipedia files reviewed on Wikimedia Commons. That could perhaps make deletions go faster since admins need to check less when files have allready been checked by a user who knows how to move files to Commons. Perhaps the bot/script/tool can add the review for you?--MGA73 (talk) 08:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year

Nominations for the "Military Historian of the Year" for 2011 are now open. If you would like to nominate an editor for this award, please do so here. Voting will open on 22 January and run for seven days. Thanks! On behalf of the coordinators, Nick-D (talk) and Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:02, 15 January 2012 (UTC) You were sent this message because you are a listed as a member of the Military history WikiProject.

RfA

Pssst...you forgot to sign your !vote. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:40, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting my SOPA edit!

Thank you! FlashingYoshi! 01:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Update: new user warning test results available

Hi WP:UWTEST member, we wanted to share a quick update on the status of the project. Here's the skinny:

1. We're happy to say we have a new round of testing results available! Since there are tests on several Wikipedias, we're collecting all results at the project page on Meta. We've also now got some help from Wikimedia Foundation data analyst Ryan Faulkner, and should have more test results in the coming weeks.
2. Last but not least, check out the four tests currently running at the documentation page.

Thanks for your interest, and don't hesitate to drop by the talk page if you have a suggestion or question. Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to everyone who - whatever their opinion - contributed to the discussion about Wikipedia and SOPA. Thank you for being a part of the discussion. Presented by the Wikimedia Foundation.

Madagascar peer review

Hi Ebe123, thanks for the initial feedback for the requested peer review of Madagascar. I'd specifically requested some feedback regarding the article's objectivity and neutrality in dealing with the current political situation there, as well as the appropriateness of the depth, breadth and focus of the article's content relative to other GA or FA country articles. Will you be contributing that review or will someone else? Cheers, Lemurbaby (talk) 07:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Thread on the Transfer drives

Please see the thread Wikipedia:File namespace noticeboard/Archives/1#Reflections on the Transfer to Commons Drives. Sven Manguard Wha? 02:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Poke

This is a poke to find further input on the following DR/N: [6]

Please feel free to weigh in.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Katarighe

Hi Ebe123, Katarighe's left a message for you at his talk page. I've responded, but thought you'd like to know. Worm^TT · (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Ebe123, please see my comment here. 28bytes (talk) 22:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I was reading a outdated page! I was looking at HF25's talk page, but I did not see the section. But it wasn't posted yet. Wait, are you one of my stalkers? ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 22:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

GAR

An article that you have been involved in editing, Entre a Mi Mundo has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Jonayo! ^{Selena 4 ever} 00:30, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Peer review error

Western Sahara Regarding this edit, you took out some critical words: "It is considered a non self-governed territory by the United Nations." was changed to "It is a non self-governed territory by the United Nations." which is unintelligible. I recommend reviewing these edits more closely. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:40, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Western Sahara

Hi, sorry, but I've reverted the language changes for now. No slight intended against your efforts or intentions, but it occurred to me that the article subject would in fact warrant British English. I've opened a discussion on the article talk page; I really don't care which way it ends up but thought that that was the best approach. Please join in if you wish. --Ckatz^chat_spy 08:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

CVU Award

		CVU Anti-Vandalism Award
		For your attempts to revitalize the whole Unit, it is my very-good pleasure to present you with the Silver CVU Award. Display it proudly, comrade. Achowat (talk) 18:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Moe Goes from Rags to Riches

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar!

		The Invisible Barnstar
		Thank you for contributing to the December 2011 Good Article nomination backlog elimination drive. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 23:45, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

This week's Signpost

Hullo Ebe, I noticed you've volunteered yourself on the list of backup writers for the Signpost's Discussion report. I wonder would you be available to contribute coverage of a discussion or two in Monday's issue? Regards, Skomorokh 00:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Asking for a translation

I saw you listed on MetaWiki under Category:Translators eng-fra. An editor made a corrective edit a few days ago at fr:Philippe Kahn to correct the birth year to 1952, but there are no refs for it. Could you possibly add some refs to it? It appears that one vandalism edit changing Kahn's birth year from 1952 to 1962 on en-wiki 2½ years ago has snowballed. We just recently seem to have fixed it on en-wiki. The original change from 1952 to 1962 on English Wikipedia was in the only edit ever made on Wikipedia by IP 195.3.166.104 with this edit on 8 July 2009: [7] with an edit summary of "Typo correction". It's quite possible that this was sneaky vandalism. A year later, it looks like it was changed from 1952 to 1962 on French Wikipedia by editor Philippe.petrinko on 25 july 2010 at 16:14 with this edit: [8], when he added an infobox. It's possible he made the date change after viewing the article on English Wikipedia. It didn't help that User:HuskyMoon has edit-warred to keep it at 1962 on en-wiki. See: Talk:Philippe Kahn#Birthdate is 1952 (or 1962?) and now answers.com and Google have picked up on the erroneous 1962 date, both citing Wikipedia. These are the current refs on the en-wiki article: and this one was edit-warred out: [9] at some point. Pick the ones you want to use — maybe the New York Times and Wired are the most authoritative. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 23:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

You seem to be involved, and also, this isn't a "translation", but just some ref adding. The birthdate is disputed, so I'll rather not get involved in that. Also, as this is a thing for frwiki, I would rather have it on my talk page there. ~~Ebe123~~ → report on my contribs. 01:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning 'this isn't a "translation", but just some ref adding'. It gave me the impetus to log in to fr-wiki and see if I could figure out how to do it myself — which, despite never having studied French, I did with no problem. So, sorry to have bothered you. Mojoworker (talk) 07:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to events: bot, template, and Gadget makers wanted

I thought you might want to know about some upcoming events where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, extending functionality with JavaScript, the future of ResourceLoader and Gadgets, the new Lua templating system, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the Chennai event in March, the Berlin hackathon in June, the developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC, or any other of our events.

Best wishes! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or at mediawiki.org. Sumanah (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I invite you to the yearly Berlin hackathon, 1-3 June. Registration is now open. If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in the registration form.

This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about ResourceLoader and Gadgets (extending functionality with JavaScript), the switch to Lua for templates, Wikidata, and Wikimedia Labs.

We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come!

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GOCE March copy edit drive

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their March 2012 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on March 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on March 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goal for the drive will be to eliminate the remaining 2010 articles from the queue. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits more than 4,000 words, and special awards will be given to the top 5 in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". We hope to see you there! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa, Stfg, and Coordinator emeritus SMasters. 19:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC) >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for being a great help in the past few weeks and I'm sure you'll continue with other users! -Michaelzeng7 (talk - contribs) 03:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

GA Nomination of Psychedelic rock

Hi. Earlier today you corrected a fault in the entry for the GA review on the talkpage of this article. For some reason I cannot quite work out, the update bot on the GA Nominations page then move the entry to the miscellaneous column. I don't know if you have any idea about the best way to move this back to the music section, but any help would be appreciated.--SabreBD (talk) 22:12, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Nothing

Hi, I'm not sure which 'sandbox' you used, but if it was the default WP:SB or a user subpage, be advised that if you need a File-namespace SB, this is to be found at File:Image page sandbox.png. A full list is at Wikipedia:About the Sandbox. Using the designated pages for testing will help avoid confusing us poor admins. It Is Me Here ^{t / c} 13:54, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:MtC drive

Re:MtC drive

Maybe, but it was irritating to load this giant page (section number was constantly changing so it was impossible to use direct link). ANd I think that this form is a better than pasting entire list in the last day Bulwersator (talk) 11:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

NowCommons

At previous request by someone, CommonsHelper is using {{subst:ncd}} on en.wp. You can change the McT drive template there. --Magnus Manske (talk) 19:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

How to change it? ~~Ebe123~~ → report 20:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, the template you gave on JIRA, {{NowCommons (MtC drive)}}, does not exist. So, I'm not changing it, for obvious reasons. --Magnus Manske (talk) 11:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Now, there is a space between "Now" and "Commons". ~~Ebe123~~ → report 11:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Images_and_Media/Commons/Drives/March_2012/Logs

Re:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Images_and_Media/Commons/Drives/March_2012/Logs

:( Bulwersator (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Now Commons (MtC drive)

Template:Now Commons (MtC drive) has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Sven Manguard Wha? 23:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Expert-subject

FYI, see these threads. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 16:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

m:Logo for Wikimedia Strategic Planning wiki

I did post the logo list for vote on meta. I am not comfortable in editing Strategy wiki to be honest. :/ Feel free to move it or vote on it or disregard this message. :p -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 18:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I was there already, and I'm deciding on which one to vote on. Why are you unconfortable to edit at strategy? ~~Ebe123~~ → report 21:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

GOCE March drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 backlog elimination drive update GOCE March 2012 Backlog Elimination progress graphs Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 Backlog elimination drive! Here's the mid-drive newsletter. Participation: We have had 58 people sign up for this drive so far, which compares favorably with our last drive, and 27 have copy-edited at least one article. If you have signed up but have not yet copy-edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! If you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Join us! Progress report: Our target of completing the 2010 articles has almost been reached, with only 56 remaining of the 194 we had at the start of the drive. The last ones are always the most difficult, so thank you if you are able to help copy-edit any of the remaining articles. We have reduced the total backlog by 163 articles so far. Special thanks: Special thanks to Stfg, who has been going through the backlog and doing some preliminary vetting of the articles—removing copyright violations, doing initial clean-up, and nominating some for deletion. This work has helped make the drive a more pleasant experience for all our volunteers. Your drive coordinators – Dianna (talk), Stfg (talk), and Dank (talk) To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

Cliché Hot

I closed WP:Articles for deletion/Cliché Hot as SOFTDELETE because of limited participation; restoration has now been requested on my talk page, so I have restored it and pointed the (newbie) requester to WP:N and WP:NALBUMS to show what is needed. You are entitled to re-nominate, but perhaps we should give him time to see what he can do Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Ra.One nominated for Featured Article

This notice is to inform you that I have nominated the article Ra.One for a featured article promotion. The nomination can be viewed here. Any comments are welcome at the article's or my talk page. Thank you. ~*~AnkitBhatt~*~ 13:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Ebe123. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Abuse response/Nominate.
Message added 16:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I asked MikeLynch to take a look because I nominated myself and no one seems to be very active on that page but he said that he was busy and that I should try contacting you. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 16:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

GOCE March drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 backlog elimination drive GOCE March 2012 Backlog Elimination progress graph Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2012 Backlog elimination drive! This is the most successful drive we have had for quite a while. Here is your end-of-drive wrap-up newsletter. Participation Of the 70 people who signed up for this drive, 40 copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Special acknowledgement goes out to Lfstevens, who did over 200 articles, most of them in the last third of the drive, and topped all three leaderboard categories. You're a superstar! Stfg and others have been pre-checking the articles for quality and conformance to Wikipedia guidelines; some have been nominated for deletion or had some preliminary clean-up done to help make the copy-edit process more fun and appealing. Thanks to all who helped get those nasty last few articles out of the target months. Progress report During this drive we were successful in eliminating our target months—October, November, and December 2010—from the queue, and have now eliminated all the 2010 articles from our list. We were able to complete 500 articles this month! End-of-drive results and barnstar information can be found here. When working on the backlog, please keep in mind that there are options other than copy-editing available; some articles may be candidates for deletion, or may not be suitable for copy-editing at this time for other reasons. The {{GOCEreviewed}} tag can be placed on any article you find to be totally uneditable, and you can nominate for deletion any that you discover to be copyright violations or completely unintelligible. If you need help deciding what to do, please contact any of the coordinators. Thank you for participating in the March 2012 drive! All contributions are appreciated. Our next copy-edit drive will be in May. Your drive coordinators – Dianna (Talk), Stfg (Talk), and Dank (talk) To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. EdwardsBot (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

CVU Academy

Hello there! Your input is request at Wikipedia talk:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy. You had commented on the re-formatting discussion at WP:CVU but have yet to comment on the progress done to implement a major change discussed during the reformatting discussion, namely the training for new anti-vandals. Any input would be appreciated, thank you. Cheers! Achowat (talk) 19:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Good article reassessment

An article that you have been involved in editing, Webster's Brewery has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 17:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

MtC

Perhaps you could find some time to look at this? I think we need to find a solution. --MGA73 (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada

Wondering if you would be interested in joining Wikimedia Canada? I see you are from this country and of course your interested in medicine which is a plus.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

As a volunteer. I would not want to disclose my age, my mail address (City and province is okay), nor telephone number. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 00:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure no worries. You are still more than welcome to be involved. Just would not be able to vote at the AGM as our government requires this information for members if I remember correctly.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

User script list deprecation

Wikipedia's list of user scripts is in bad shape, in that it is disorganized and contains many non-working, unmaintained, or thoroughly obsolete entries. Cleanup has been on the to-do list since 2007, but little progress has been made. Instead, the whole list is now set to be deprecated on 1 May 2012, to be replaced with a new list. This draft list has been up for about a month, and in that time I've been soliciting script users and authors to come add scripts they know to be working and relevant.

If you know of scripts that you would like to survive this deprecation (and are confirmed working and relevant), you're welcome to add them to the new list. Note that the old list will be retained and linked from the main list, so there is no real deadline. Thanks for your help. Equazcion ^(talk) 00:56, 22 Apr 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May copy edit drive

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their May 2012 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goal for the drive will be to eliminate January, February, and March 2011 from the queue. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits more than 4,000 words, and special awards will be given to the top 5 in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". We hope to see you there! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa, and Stfg. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. EdwardsBot (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Commons Ambassador Barnstar
	Thank you for participating in the January 2012 MTC Drive. The drive was a big success. As a result of the drive thousands of files was transferred and many files was nominated for deletion because of copyright issues or because they were not usable. For your big work transferring files to Commons you are hereby awarded this barnstar. Cloudbound (talk) 19:28, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

AFT5 office hours

Hey Ebe123; just a quick note to let you know that we'll be holding an Office Hours session at 18:00 UTC (don't worry, I got the time right ;p) on 4th May in #wikimedia-office. This is to show off the almost-finished feedback page and prep it for a more public release; I'm incredibly happy to have got to this point :). Hope to see you there! Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Leaderboard award

Transfer to Commons Drive Leaderboard Barnstar

And finally... as you would have finished on the leaderboard for the January 2012 MTC Drive with more than 260 transfers (if we correct for transfers made by others that were not checked properly), you have well and truly earned the Transfer to Commons Drive Leaderboard Barnstar. Thank you for all your efforts. With luck backlog drives will become a thing of the past. --MGA73 (talk) 06:21, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors May 2012 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter Participation: Out of 49 people signed up for this drive so far, 26 have copy-edited at least one article. It's a smaller group than last drive, but we're making good progress. If you've signed up but haven't yet copy-edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! If you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Template:J Progress report: We're on track to meet our targets for the drive, largely due to the efforts of Lfstevens and the others on the leaderboard. Thanks to all. We have reduced our target group of articles—January, February, and March 2011—by over half, and it looks like we will achieve that goal. Good progress is being made on the overall backlog as well, with over 500 articles copy-edited during the drive so far. The total backlog currently sits at around 3200 articles. Hall of Fame: GOCE coordinator Diannaa was awarded a spot in the GOCE Hall of Fame this month! She has copy-edited over 1567 articles during these drives, and surpassed the 1,000,000-word mark on May 5. On to the second million! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa and Stfg >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 14:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

F1 vandal

Hi Ebe123. Do you know if there are still plans to semiprotect some articles to defend them against the "F1 vandal"? I asked at Wikipedia talk:Abuse response a couple of days ago but received no response. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 07:29, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I know you posted that comment, but I do not know what the plans are now. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 10:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE May drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors May 2012 backlog elimination drive wrap-up Participation: Out of 54 people who signed up this drive, 32 copy-edited at least one article. Last drive's superstar, Lfstevens, again stood out, topping the leader board in all three categories and copy-editing over 700 articles. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: We were once again successful in our primary goal—removing the oldest three months from the backlog—while removing 1166 articles from the queue, the second-most in our history. The total backlog currently sits at around 2600 articles, down from 8323 when we started out just over two years ago. Coodinator election: The six-month term for our third tranche of Guild coordinators will be expiring at the end of June. We will be accepting nominations for the fourth tranche of coordinators, who will also serve a six-month term. Nominations will open starting on June 5. For complete information, please have a look at the election page. – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa, and Stfg To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 15:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their July 2012 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy edit backlog. The drive begins on July 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and ends on July 31 at 23:59 (UTC). Our goals are to eliminate the articles tagged in April, May and June 2011 from the queue and to complete all requests placed before the end of June. Barnstars will be awarded to anyone who copy edits more than 4,000 words, and special awards will be given to the top 6 in the following categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", "Number of articles of over 5,000 words", "Number of articles tagged in April–June 2011", and "Longest article". We hope to see you there! – Your drive coordinators: Dank, Diannaa and Stfg. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:52, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Level one user warnings

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Level one user warnings. (This invitation sent because you signed up as a member of WP:UWTEST) Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)Template:Z48 Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:20, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Need some guidance

I need to report another user for attempting to intimidate me by violating my privacy by calling out personal details about my location on my user talk page. His user name is Hasteur. Can you please direct me to the right place?

Since the editor is screaming privacy abuse I'll respond. I did a GeoLocate on the address (which is public information as they're an IP editor) and tried to respond back in a manner to give a less "Copy-Pasted" robo response. Based on the post they made on my talk page I feel fairly confident that this is a SPA and therefore their claims of abuse should be weighed against the abuse that they dished out first. Hasteur (talk) 01:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I am no administrator, but this is no violation of the privacy policy, as if you have an IP, people can see your location with a WHOIS. Do not bring this up anywhere else, as this will be the only response. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 14:27, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Questions about Wikipedia & SuggestBot

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GOCE July 2012 mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors July 2012 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter Participation: Out of 37 people signed up for this drive so far, 25 have copy-edited at least one article. It's a smaller group than last drive, but we're making good progress. If you've signed up but haven't yet copy-edited any articles, every bit helps; if you haven't signed up yet, it's not too late. Template:J Progress report: We're almost on track to meet our targets for the drive. Great work, guys. We have reduced our target group of articles—May, June, and July 2011—by about 40%, and the overall backlog has been reduced by 264 articles so far, to around 2500 articles. Copy Edit of the Month: Starting in August, your best copy-editing work of the month will be eligible for fabulous prizes! See here for details. – Your drive coordinators: Stfg, Allens, and Torchiest. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 16:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Translating medical content into French

What do you think about beginning to translate content into French? We would only translate the ones that could use improvement though. You could than either replace what is there or merge it with the existing content which is of high quality. Let me know what you think. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 19:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Great will introduce you to Enrique and see if we can put together a team. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 03:23, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

This is him here User:Enrique Cavalitto Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 04:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Changes to DRN

Hello there. I have recently made a proposal to change the way that disputes are handled and filed at DRN. As you've listed yourself as a volunteer at DRN, I would appreciate your input. You can find the thread here. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Get involved in DR!} 02:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify: July Newsletter and August Drive

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The Wikipedia Adventure: Request for feedback on Community Fellowship proposal

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GOCE July drive wrap-up

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Chemical pages.

Greetings, Ebe123! As per your request at the reward board I've been working on making the red-linked pages at List of extremely hazardous substances. I regret that there are still red-links in the list, even now that the request has expired, but I still intend to make more of them whenever I can, till they're done. Since in the "Limit on rewards", you said "One barnstar per article/user", do I still qualify? Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Ebe123. You have new messages at Wilhelmina Will's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

ANI notification

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GiantSnowman 19:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Administrator's noticeboard

Hi, Ebe. I thought I should let you know that I started a thread at the administrator's noticeboard that concerns you. In the current moment, I nor anyone else has directly spoken of you, but one of your actions was referenced which you should probably take a look at. Best. NTox · talk 19:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Just saw that GiantSnowman chimed in here as well. The thread is here. NTox · talk 19:58, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

While the user rights issue is important, I have no complaints with what you said to Explorationofspace. To resolve this specific issue, I simply changed your signature to mine, since your words are a good response and a sufficient unblock rationale. Think of it basically as me using your words to decline the unblock. Nyttend (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It's fine, but it is showing me that I closed the request well, and thus shouldn't of got a discussion about it.

I know what I'm doing for everything except for the things of which I don't know what I'm doing.

Ebe123

~~Ebe123~~ → report 20:10, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Delete discussion

I don't mind if you want to delete what Drmies and I said in the discussion section if you feel that's appropriate. I'm sure Drmies already got a chance to see it anyway.

Again, I'm really really sorry about that... I saw the notice, but since Drmies is an admin, I felt it was all right if he wrote it there and I responded. Sorry! --Activism1234 00:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

It's there, I won't delete it. That he is an admin is irrelevant, if a normal editor did the same thing, I would expect you to do the same thing. Drmies actually was not supposed to write there even though he's an admin. Right now I'm waiting for Somedifferentstuff to come give his/her point of view. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 00:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand that now. I've never been to dispute resolution before, so I thought maybe what he did was within the boundaries of a particular rule I didn't know about. Again, I sincerely apologize, and won't let it happen again. Thanks. --Activism1234 00:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Template:Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement

Hello Ebe123. I happened to see your June 2011 edit to this template. In my opinion, the section you added is not helpful, because the 1RR is considered to be sufficiently announced by the template itself. The section you added hints that editors won't be blocked for a first-time violation of the 1RR. Your addition states, "Those editors who violate the ruling, but are unaware of it, will be informed of the details before any sanctions are invoked." We do routinely enforce the 1RR restriction even on first-time editors. As it says in the main template, "Editors who violate this 1RR restriction may be blocked without warning by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense." Would you object if I undo your change? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:09, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I do not mind if anyone reverts any of my edits if done in good faith. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 19:20, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. EdJohnston (talk) 22:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

France Soir

Hello. Why did you revert my edit? I've put a link in the summary explaining my change. 92.130.83.147 (talk) 20:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Could you place the link around <ref></ref> tags? ~~Ebe123~~ → report 20:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, done. 92.130.83.147 (talk) 20:30, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! ~~Ebe123~~ → report 20:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Not resolved.

Please see the dispute resolution talk page, as I explained why before changing the status. It's largely symbolic -- dead is dead -- but I wanted to go on record before taking it to the next stage. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 01:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It was later reverted. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 10:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Ebe, have I answered your question to your satisfaction? Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

University of Applied Sciences Koblenz

The two redirect makes sense because there are offical types of the university --TuxFighter (talk) 10:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a real redirect now. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 10:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.--TuxFighter (talk) 10:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Chemical pages

Hello Ebo123! I am afraid to tell you that 29 July 2012 is over. So who am I? Just a foolish who dreamt of collecting paint enough for 27 in just one month :) Yup! I admit my defeat. ···Vanischenu^「m/_Talk」 13:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

No, you can make it. Make 1 article each 1.11111111111111 days. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 19:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Translation into major languages

As we put together teams for translation into major languages we are going to need to know which articles should be translated from English and which articles are already good in the target language and thus do not need translation. As a Wikipedian can you update the table for your language with these tags: To translate and No translation. Many thanks. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 18:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The content in French is already really good by the looks of it? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your talk page please reply on mine) 00:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Paraphrase

I was paraphrasing myself, from Talk:Mitt_Romney_presidential_campaign,_2012. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 00:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

What section? ~~Ebe123~~ → report 00:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Mitt_Romney_presidential_campaign,_2012#POV Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 01:09, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ebe 123

Hi Ebe 123, I noticed that you've closed the Serer religion discussion at DRN [10] and removed one of the tags in Serer religion. This is just a query to ascertain whether consensus has been reached to remove the other tag in Serer religion#Cosmology? Thanks. Tamsier (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

DRN Bot

Hey there! Sorry about the bot troubles earlier. It's still in pretty active development for now so there will be (hopefully occasional) issues like this for a bit as I change things. I just wanted to clear up any confusion you may have had:

• I switched the case IDs around because I was sorting out the database after fixing a bug. It shouldn't be something I'll need to do again, but for what it's worth, those are probably not things other people should be changing.
• My understanding from Steven is that we keep cases in the "review" state if they're open for over four days regardless of their activity. This is the rule that the bot will follow. As a volunteer, you're allowed to do things differently if necessary (so you can set a case from "review" to "open"). I've tightened up the bot's logic so that it will ignore any case that goes from review to open until someone manually changes the status (say, to resolved or closed).

Thanks. My talk page is always open if you have questions. — Earwig ^talk 23:01, 2 August 2012 (UTC) On IRC, Steven_Zhang explained it. Thanks for more info and info on the bot. While getting shocked by the power cord of my computer, ~~Ebe123~~ → report 00:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Been following your commentary to certain person

I noticed that you've been working hard to point out the issues dealing with a certain person and I know you are trying to help improve. However just don't be surprised if he completely disregards everything you said to this point especially your mentor advice. ViriiK (talk) 01:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I know, but I think trying unsuccessfully is better than not at all. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 01:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well at least I can commend you for that. ViriiK (talk) 01:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Been following your conversation. Did you notice that on M's talk page, he has a BITE box? You'll also notice that he added the word "ME" to it as well. ViriiK (talk) 00:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I know what you're talking about, but I do not understand how it works, what it does or anything. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 00:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The point is to censor comments or at least minimize comment. He was directly insulting me by saying "BITE ME". ViriiK (talk) 01:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I would say to make a AN/I complaint for that. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 01:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, look! Two editors plotting to harm User:Machine Elf 1735 and using codes - "M" -- to hide this from public sight. I wonder why they're hiding it unless they know that what they're doing would be looked down upon. I wonder what Machine Elf 1735 would think of this. Let's ask him! Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 05:15, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Also, since that "certain person" is me, I should point out that Ebe's done nothing helpful. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Inflammatory accusation

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. ViriiK (talk) 05:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI

This note may be of interest, since you are working as a volunteer on a particular DRN case. I suggested at WP:AE#FergusM1970 that AE wait to see if the discussion at WP:DRN#Talk:Corporals killings can do something useful. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Burgas archived??

I'm very confused why my DRN on the Burgas bus bombing was archived. I've been away since last night, so maybe I missed something, but the archive doesn't show any result or further discussion for my DRN. It could be just a mistake, in which case it should be moved back. I'm really hoping for it to be resolved, so I'm confused why it would be archived without any response.

Thanks.

--Activism1234 02:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

The bot made an error, and I put it back. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 11:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah ok. I'd also like for the discussion to start moving, or for a decision, but I'm not sure how that works, but it's been open already for a while. --Activism1234 16:48, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Me too, but we need the other party too to continue and there is no deadline. I'll wait 5 more days and if the user does not do a comment, I will close it as it will be a waste of our time. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 16:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

What does that mean if it's closed? Do you mean you'll make a decision about the case and then close it, or close it with no decision being made? --Activism1234 17:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

When a discussion is closed, you can't make changes, you can't write in the section. It can be closed without a decision or can be closed with a decision. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 17:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

The page does not exist?

At Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Nair you wrote "The page does not exist", but Nair does exist. Given the nature of the complaint, I would advise keeping it closed with a reason of "Not a dispute about specific article content".

BTW, you are doing a great job at DRN. The only suggestion I would have is to slow down a bit so you don't end up being the responding volunteer on the majority of the filings. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I do not think "The Nair community page in WIKIPEDIA is an afront to the community and is a disgraceful attempt to show the community in poor light. I do not think that any other community page in WIKIPEDIA has been twisted this way to malign, ridicule and spread negativism. The whole information given is fabricated and an insult to the Nair community who are known to have a glorious past and present. I would like to register a protest in the strongest terms against the perpetrators of this evil design and request those who have the know how to intervene. This will go a longway in restoring the credibility of WIKIPEDIA as a source of authentic information. It should not be left to independant editors to re write or write there own versions of history in order to hurt and mutilate community's psyche which seems to be the very purpose of writing such nonsense. Behind their scholarly garbs lies very vicious and venomous commulalist ideology and thinking.Beware!" Is a dispute, and the page was NAIR COMMUNITY PAGE. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 11:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree that it's not a dispute, but the closing comment should match the entry. If someone changed it from NAIR COMMUNITY PAGE to Nair after you closed it, you should change it back. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Bot error again?

I think the bot made another mistake and archived the Burgas discussion before it was closed or a decision was made. I'd give a link to it but Wikipedia seems to be malfunctioning right now, and the screen is all messed up. It's in the very last archive.

Thanks.

Activism1234

Let's just say that if it continues when he re-starts editing, then file a new thread. Somedifferentstuff has not edited since the 1st of August. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 20:07, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Okey dokey sounds good. --Activism1234 21:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Your [blank] is bad and you should feel bad

Futurama allusion, not meant personally :P –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I remember from futurama. I thought you meant it personally though. ~~Ebe123~~ → report 22:59, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution Noticeboard

Hello!!! I would wish to ask you if you could give your piece of mind regarding this → [11]. You already responded on the subject so I haven't found it inappropriate to ask you so. Sorry if it is. The discussion has already gone through its crucial points, so you wouldn't have to engage yourself in solving it, just give your thought. With regards, 178.223.223.170 (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)