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Procedure/input for developing a new article where somewhat similar articles exist

Hello again. I was browsing around and saw that an article on this topic didn't specifically exist so I started working on a draft - still WIP. I would like input/guidance on how to proceed with it.

Article: Draft:Mail_boat and Mail Boat currently redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_boat#Mail_steamer

However, I feel that this is only the historic account of "Mail boats" and there are a number of them in use in modern day.

My questions are:

1. What is the best way to proceed with this topic? It seems that packet boats are a historical version of modern day mail boats.
2. Would it be better to try and work mail boats into another topic? I'm mixed on this because in some respects mail boats may fall under boats used by mail jumpers but in other cases they are much larger boats, perhaps even ships, which serve various communities.
3. Input on editing the article is welcome. I can only use my writing style and experience and am trying to approach with NPOV as possible.

Thanks! Mlepisto (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Mlepisto, it looks like you have a viable article in your draft. It appears US-centric, which is generally bad, but I think "Mail boats in the United States" would be a very valid topic. FYI, there are services within that scope in Detroit and the Soo locks in Michigan. Title change can be handled when it's moved to mainspace. John from Idegon (talk) 22:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks John from Idegon - interesting that you brought up the US-centric part. My basis for thinking about this article was from when I lived in the Bahamas and was reviewing other articles about the Bahamas some of which mentioned the mail boat in passing. The mail boats there are a lifeline for most islands for services to/from Nassau and the US. I know of (just by reading) of some in other areas of the world where the geography makes water transit more favorable than other means. I'll try to find some more world-wide sources and work those in. Thanks for your input. Mlepisto (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

How to suggest article

 Djones247 (talk) 16:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Djones247, you can list it at wp:requested articles, but be aware that as we're volunteers, that there is no guarantee it'll ever be done, or as to how quickly it'll be done. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Djones247, You might've also meant how to suggest changes to protected articles. You can find how to do that at this link. TheAwesomeHwyh 23:21, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Criticism

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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 – Heading added by Tenryuu. 22:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

why u critcize me dude MoowalkerExpressJC13 (talk) 22:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@MoowalkerExpressJC13: What are you talking about? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Moowalker is being criticized for making edits like these. Moowalker, threats of violence don't belong here. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: Well, they've been blocked now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I would like an article on my company to be accepted with a link to my website. Can some here help?

I would like an article on my company to be accepted with a link to my website. Can some here help? Brianhowes1024 (talk) 01:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Brianhowes1024: Forget it. It ain't going to happen, sorry. Your company simply does not meet our Notablity criteria for organisation, and your attempt at Wikipedia:Reward board to offer cash won't work either. Try Facebook adverts. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Note: This was previously asked a year ago. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Referencing sources from academic publishers

FYI

 – Formatting added by Berrely

Resolved

 – Unproxied link found by using the cite link on the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedians, I am a beginner. I am working on an article en:Christine Holgate. When trying to publish the work, I received the warning said that I would not be allowed to publish the changes if I use the sources from some academic publishers, which do not allow others to visit and verify. Those URL links contain '.proxy.', '.gate.'. Would you mind giving me the advice to fix this problem? I am looking forward to receiving your response! Thank you for your time! Quinndo Quinndo (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Quinndo: I'm afraid you'll need to be more specific. Exactly what are you attempting to add (leave off the leading https:// in your response). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:14, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Hi! Here is an example of what I mentioned above: search-proquest-com.ezproxy1.library.usyd.edu.au/docview/2117768588?accountid=14757. Thank you! Quinndo —Preceding undated comment added 07:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I do not see any evidence at Christine Holgate that you have edited the article, nor any warning on your Talk page or your Sandbox (User:Quinndo/sandbox), whee you have created new references for Holgate, not yet added to the article. David notMD (talk) 09:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

The problem is with the "ezproxy1.library.usyd.edu.au" part of the URL, Quinndo. That routes through your university's login system, which isn't much help to a Wikipedia reader trying to access the article. Can you visit the source without being logged in? That might give you an address that the rest of us can access. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: Thank you for your response! I was not allowed to public the work. Thus, you could not see any changes in the article. I received the warning as I mentioned above. Thank you! Quinndo.

@Cordless Larry: Thank you for your response! If I do not log in, I can not access the source. Does it mean that I can not use sources like the above link? Thank you! Quinndo.

@Quinndo: - you can use sources that aren't generally accessible, but a link that at least allows us to get there (even if we'd then have a paywall) is far more useful than one that routes through your university, that noone will be able to utilise. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: Thank you for your response! I could use the alternative sources. However, I will have to pay if I want to access those sources (mainstream press). Thank you! Quinndo

Quinndo: The Resource exchange can be helpful for that circumstance. --ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Quinndo: This may be of use- I always download any documents, as I like to have a copy of it for future reference. :::::If you do that, at the end Proquest give you all the bibliographical details, including the url you accessed it by- If you copypaste a section of that and use it as a link, it will prompt the user to then login via their own means/login to access the article. In your case it would look like https://search.proquest.com/docview/2117768588. (The only thing you need is the document number) Articles may also have a DOI, that when used in a template will generate a link. Curdle (talk) 11:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

You don't even need to download the document to get that address, Quinndo and Curdle. When viewing the document, there's a "cite" icon in the top-right of the screen. If you click that, you get the URL (just delete the "?accountid=XXXX" bit from the end). Cordless Larry (talk) 11:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Cordless Larry: and @Curdle:. @Cordless Larry: Would you mind doing a demonstration? Thank you! Quinndo

I'm not sure how I would do a demonstration here, Quinndo, but if you go to https://search.proquest.com/docview/2117768588 and then click the "cite" button, the details pop up and you can copy and paste the URL from the box. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Cordless Larry:! I followed your instruction and here is the link: http://ezproxy.library.usyd.edu.au/login?url=https://search-proquest-com.ezproxy1.library.usyd.edu.au/docview/1944326036 . Am I right? Thank you!

No, that's got the "ezproxy1.library.usyd.edu.au" part in it, Quinndo. Are you sure you got it using the "cite" button (the one that brings up a box that includes the text "Citation style:...Select then copy and paste the citation into your document")? Cordless Larry (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I followed your instruction and here is the link: http://ezproxy.library.usyd.edu.au/login?url=https://search-proquest-com.ezproxy1.library.usyd.edu.au/docview/1913815797?accountid=14757 . Quinndo--Quinndo (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I used your link and change the sequence of numbers at the end and it worked https://search.proquest.com/docview/1913815797 . Thank you Quinndo (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Quinndo: Neither that nor https://search.proquest.com/docview/2117768588 work for me because I don't have a ProQuest account. I just get a "Find your library" login dialog. Apparently only the "OpenView" URLs are publicly accessible (e.g., https://search.proquest.com/openview/edba3e082ac91d49f9cbddd3f4964099/1 ). If you can't find a publicly-accessible source, just be sure to provide a proper {{Cite journal}} citation with the correct title, journal name, author(s), date, etc.. If there's a DOI, include the doi parameter (|doi=10.1136/bmj.i1338 – the DOI is shown just above the PDF viewer in the example I just gave), which will provide a link to doi.org that redirects to the original online source (normally at least an abstract). I'm on the fence about whether to provide the ProQuest URL, since it's inaccessible to almost all readers, but if you do, it should be just the https://search.proquest.com/docview/nnnnnnnnnnn URL, and you should add the |url-access=subscription parameter to {{Cite journal}}. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:36, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @AlanM1:. Would you mind showing me how to get the "OpenView" URLs? Actually, URL links I used are newspapers uploaded on ProQuest. For example, The Australian Financial Review. If I could not find the "OpenView", how should I reference the source? I also use some news articles from Factiva. Would you mind showing me how to reference source from Factiva too? Thank you! --Quinndo (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Help working on a page

Working on this page here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Monika_Klisara not sure what else is needed! AnilMohabir (talk) 02:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

AnilMohabir, one thing sorely needed is for Klisari to "win a recognised/notable world karate championship or similar".--Quisqualis (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Soft ban given

Hi - I have been given a 'soft ban' for my username. I am indeed the Chairman of the Great Wyrley & Cheslyn Hay Community Group which is why I have the username gwchcommunity

Thanks

Lee 2.98.158.88 (talk) 13:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, you need to log in to your account and follow the instructions in the block notice to request unblock if you wish to make that argument- but your username suggests that multiple individuals can or could have access to your account. Accounts may not be shared and the username needs to indicate that a specific individual is exclusively operating your account. 331dot (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lee. I'm afraid that it was me who blocked you at User talk:Gwchcommunity. Sorry if I didn't fully explain my reasons (based on policy) -it was rather late at night, but I hope you'll be willing to start again with a new account, as I suggested. Whatever you do, please only add content that you can support with reference to a good source. As a local person, wanting to write about your local area, it might be terribly tempting to add lots of stuff that you 'just happen to know'. But because this is an encyclopaedia, and not a local directory, we ask only that what is collated here can be verified by anyone, from anywhere in the world. You're free to add the odd external link to a section at the bottom of an article if you want to point users to other resources of information - especially if they might change a lot. Your two edits here and here were of the sort of changeable detail that might best be left out of an encyclopaedia. And if you wnt to learn about adding citations, see my little guide and video at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Regards from the East Midlands. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)  

To expand a little on what Nick said, edits you make here should be made as you, individually, and your username should therefore reflect that. For example, you might use "Lee1000" or "LeeW" or you could choose a name at random, totally unrelated to your real name or work, like "Gardener" or "Cogito ergo sum" (though keep in mind you will be know by the name when you communicate with other editors here). This is different than social media like Facebook, where you might be editing your organization's page, and want people to know you are officially related to that organization. Here, that is a COI instead of a benefit. I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Authenticity

On the United States Presidential Primary wikipage, I addeed a reform proposal [Maine Presidential Primary Plan (Voter Driven)]. Before this gets deleted again, what is the criteria allowing a reform proposal to be added. Mike Turcotte (talk) 01:57, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Mike Turcotte, your addition to the article should be proposed on the article's Talk page, where interested editors may discuss it and come to consensus.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

hi! and Amazon Alexa integration

Hi!

When making verbal requests, I have noticed that some Wikipedia pages are harder than others for Alexa to recognize/distinguish. While this is likely and realistically a challenge external to Wikipedia itself (ie Alexa’s programming), is there a Wikipedia page feature like an ‘Alexa pronunciation button’ that when added helps Alexa (Google, Siri, and the like) find the correct page? Or, is it just based on article title at the moment?

Thanks, MitzvahCode MitzvahCode (talk) 16:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@MitzvahCode: I assume the issue is with Alexa's translation from voice to text, which it then searches for. There are probably things like parentheses that can be difficult for it to deal with. Can you provide some examples? One of the village pumps may be a better place to discuss what may be either a technical problem or a proposal for a new feature. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you for the suggestion! I went ahead and posted the idea, along with a specific example, in the Village pump (idea lab); I titled the post, "Amazon Alexa integration: backend pronunciation button for Wikipedia pages". Please let me know if the presentation of the idea there is more clear. Cheers! PS I tried copying your style and messed with it to make it my own––so cool! Thanks again. —[MitzvahCode (talk)]—

What's that thing...

Hi everyone,

I've been here for quite a long time, but I cannot for the life of me remember the name of, or shortcut to, the procedure where a user submits evidence to confirm that they have contacted an article subject off-wiki. This came up at Talk:Worood Zuhair where I was trying to help a new user, but I cannot remember what it's called or how to search for it. Thanks in advance!

–Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Roscelese: Do you mean WP:REQFREE or perhaps WP:OTRS? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 04:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Maybe it was OTRS! Thanks! –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

washi collage artist

Not an issue for Teahouse/Questions. Referred elsewhere

 – WP:RD

who are the japanese collage artist?

who are the japanese collage artist?≠ 120.29.115.142 (talk) 04:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor; you'll have better luck asking at the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

is randomcoanadian a bot

 Jaimeisbest2020 (talk) 05:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jaimeisbest2020: No. They left a templated warning for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Will my page be approved?

Blocked

 – OP blocked and article has been salted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Will my article be approved? Article name or Draft:Sham Kumar Monger. Justintype (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Justintype Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you were to submit your draft for review(you haven't), it would likely be rejected quickly, as you offer no independent reliable sources with significant coverage showing how this person meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not like social media; it isn't just for telling about someone. Are you attempting to write about yourself? This is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia, because people naturally write favorably about themselves. Please see the autobiography policy if you are attempting to write about yourself. Please understand that successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. Please read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial for more information. 331dot (talk) 15:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Justintype: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you put {{subst:AFC draft}} at the top of your draft, a reviewer will look at it. I will say that it will most likely be declined in its current state as there are not enough reliable sources and the draft does not demonstrate his notability as defined by Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

As a reviewer I can categorically say it would not be declined it would be REJECTED it is plainly unambiguous advertising or promotion, a self-written vanity page. Theroadislong (talk) 16:01, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, since we're talking of rejection, it is clearly not WP:G11 (since it's written in a neutral fashion - as explicitly defined at the CSD); though the only indication I can find about this author is from the amazon.com page which states "Sham Kumar Monger is a Bhutanese self-published poet and novelist"... WP:A7 is not applicable either (since, although it falls short of meeting WP guidelines for notability, there is a credible statement as to why this person could in theory be notable); though if this were an article in it's current state it would surely fail AfD, and given the lack of coverage I can find this is either WP:TOOSOON or simply just a run-of-the-mill not-notable author. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Bad format

Resolved

 – Table format has been fixed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I tried to add some information about the current town council of Oviedo, but the format is complicated. Vox (Spain) need to be colour-coded, and all the cells need to be inline. Undurbjáni (talk) 22:26, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Undurbjáni: Appears we had an edit conflict. Feel free to change the colours, but my diff should have fixed how the table looks. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

People can't understand me

Someday, they will understand me. 114.108.217.80 (talk) 05:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question? As far as I’ve checked, all your edits have been unconstructive. I checked and you have even edited random IP editors’ talk pages for no reason. RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 06:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Removing content from article

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 – Heading created by Tenryuu. 07:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

What can I remove from my article. Can you help me? Editorlanpao (talk) 06:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Editorlanpao: Please specify which one you're referring to. Draft:Lukanand Kshetrimayum, which has been rejected by reviewers, or Romi Meitei, of which you made a draft and decided to merge into the preexisting article? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Accidentally deleted a maintenance page in another language, will I be banned?

Resolved

 – Accidental edit on Wikidata was reverted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I deleted a maintenance page about speedy deletions in another language thinking that it was a language that was set on my account and not languages for the article. Is there a consequence and is there a way to reverse the changes? Capsulecap (talk) 00:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Capsulecap Depends on the language. They're technically a separate project than us, so their policies may differ. You can't restore the page? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

What page are you referring to? You only seem to have edits to the English Wikipedia, so you don't seem to be referring to another language Wikipedia. Almost all changes here are reversible. – Thjarkur (talk) 01:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Capsulecap: You Global contributions show only a single non-en-wiki edit (see this edit to Wikidata). I have taken the liberty of reverting it for you. Hope that was what you wanted? In future, it would save everyone a lot of trouble if you thought about providing a link or a diff to the page that you are concerned about. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Yes. Thank you for reversing the edit!

Capsulecap (talk) 00:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Capsulecap: You're welcome. You could have reverted it yourself, of course - just find the diff and click 'undo' and provide an edit summary to explain why (e.g. "self-revert") Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Blocking user 111.125.119.6

Resolved

 – User in question has been blocked; referred to WP:ANV to report vandalism. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I was browsing the recent changes page, when I noticed that the user 111.125.119.6 has had 4 warnings already, but vandalised again on StarStruck. Please can some admin please block the IP user, as this is his fifth warning.

XLK123 (talk) 06:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

User 111.125.119.6

FYI

 – Section merged to above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Please can the user 111.125.119.6 be blocked, as they have had five warnings, but still they are vandalising.

XLK123 (talk) 06:22, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@XLK123: Anonymous user has been blocked. For future reference, you can submit reports of vandalism over at WP:ANV. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Request to delete an article

I have an article that I had created more than about a month ago, and I would like to delete it because it needs more sources and a big expansion in informations. I do not know how to delete it so; please who would do it if you can do it Thank you. Mr. James Dimsey (talk) 08:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mr. James Dimsey. If you've been pretty much the only editor trying to improve the draft, you can request that it being speedily deleted per speedy deletion criterion G7. If others, however, have also been involved in working on the draft, then you might want to discuss things with them first to actually see if they're no longer interested in trying to improve it. There's really no deadlines when it comes to drafts and as long as someone is working on it and there are no really serious problems such as WP:COPVIO or WP:BLP violations to address, drafts are generally left as is for someone to try and continue to improve. The only thing you will need to worry about is whether nobody works on improving the draft for at least six months because then it might considered abandoned and thus eligible for deletion per speedy deletion criterion G13.

Have you tried asking for help with the draft at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sudan? Perhaps some member of that WikiProject can take a look at the draft and help figure out whether there's any potential for it to someday become an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:02, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata issue...wikidata:Wikidata:Project_chat the right place, or not?

Hello Teahouse. I'm not really a new editor, just a little confused about something. I requested a change to a Wikidata entry, wikidata:Q210499 ("bulletin board system"), at wikidata:Wikidata:Project_chat#Cannot_change_Q210499. However it's gone ignored, while many questions asked later were answered. It seems like perhaps such changes ought to be discussed at enwiki, or jawiki? Or what? Or am I just impatient? :-) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 03:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Psiĥedelisto. I see a reply to your post at Wikidata, two days before this post here. In any case, I can't see how this is anything do to with en-wiki. --ColinFine (talk) 09:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Ratings

Once I have vastly improved a start class article how does it get a higher rating? Robbiegibbons (talk) 08:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Robbiegibbons. If you're referring to Wikipedia:Content assessment, then for the most part this is just an unofficial type of assessment in which pretty much any editor can reassess an article and update its status if they believe the relevant criteria are being met. Some WikiProjects have slightly different assessment criteria; so, if you'd like a member of a particular WikiProject to reassess an article, you can post a request on the project's talk page or check the project's main page for information on assessing articles. You could also request a WP:PR for a more general assessment by another editor.

If you're referring to a more formal assessment like WP:GA or WP:FA, then there is a set process that the article will need to navigate through which involves being formally assessed be editors who are experienced in doing such things. There are specific criteria that need to be met for each and articles are generally only upgraded to GA or FA status when there is a consensus to do so. In other words, you cannot just decide to declare an article to be GA or FA on your own; you need to submit it for review. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Personally, after I have improved (?) an article I do not upgrade the class rank. I figure someone else will. Given what you have accomplished at Eureka Flag, you could consider nominating for GA. You may consider removing the "Derivatives and variants section" as distantly tangent to the topic of the article. David notMD (talk) 12:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

New to Editing Wikipedia - First Submission rejected

Hi There,

I'm very new to the world of Wikipedia and I had an article rejected about 5/6 months ago. I haven't had time to look at it, but am hoping to revisit it and get it published.

The reason for rejection was: The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. If someone could advise what I need to do to fix this I'd be really grateful! The page is: Draft:Willie Hamilton (academic)

Thanks, Ciaran CiaranJones7 (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

CiaranJones7 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you follow the link in the message,(click "Referencing for beginners") it will take you to the page that explain how to cite sources. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

CiaranJones7 Hi, to be more precise - some of your references did you link directly to external websites via "Add-a-link", what you should do is take those urls and insert them as cites, in the editor "Cite + Add a Citation + Automatic" and in this dialog box you paste the URL. After modifying those references I am pretty sure that your draft will be accepted. If you have any questions feel free to ask. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

CiaranJones7 Hi, to be more precise - some of your references did you link directly to external websites via "Add-a-link", what you should do is take those urls and insert them as cites, in the editor "Cite + Add a Citation + Automatic" and in this dialog box you paste the URL. After modifying those references I am pretty sure that your draft will be accepted. If you have any questions feel free to ask. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi CiaranJones7. The reason your draft was declined seems, at least to me, to be a bit confusing since there really is no minimum number of inline citations that a draft is required to have before it can be upgraded to article status as explained in WP:NEXIST. So, I think what the AFC reviewer was trying to get at was that he/she felt that the sources you did cite weren’t sufficient to establish the subject’s Wikipedia notability. Inline citations do for sure help with the verification of article content per WP:RSCONTEXT, but having a certain number of them in the article doesn’t really make or break a draft when it comes to Wikipedia notability. It’s the subject’s Wikipedia notability (or it’s lack thereof) which typically matters more, and it’s generally the quality of the sources cited, not the number of them cited which helps establish notability.

Have you tried to seek clarification about the draft from the AFC reviewer who declined it? Even though it has been a few months since it was declined, you might still try asking for a little more specific feedback. The relevant notability guidelines applicable in this case would seem to be WP:BIO and WP:PROF. If you’re unable to connect with the AFC reviewer, perhaps try asking for help at WP:AFCHD or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia for input.

Now some things I did notice about the draft which you can fix are WP:BADDATE, MOS:SECTIONCAPS, MOS:DOCTOR and WP:SURNAME, but these are relatively minor and shouldn’t impact whether the draft will be accepted. Another thing has to do with the image used in the infobox. You uploaded the image to Commons as your “own work”, but the exif data for the file seems to attribute the file to another person and states it was taken about seven years prior to the you provided in the file’s description. So, if you didn’t take this photo yourself, then you’re not really its copyright holder and thus can’t upload it to Commons as your “own work”. If that’s the case, please look at c:COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder for reference. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

331dot CommanderWaterford Marchjuly Thank you for all of your advice this is all really helpful - I think I found a fairly large oversight on my part with references to winning paper of the year twice - I hadn't put anything to back this up. I also think I've tided up the WP:BADDATE, MOS:SECTIONCAPS, MOS:DOCTOR and WP:SURNAME issues. Really appreciate all of your time. — CiaranJones7 (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

I'm confused at why this is proposed for deletion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Until_Tomorrow_(Film)

https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Stay+Until+Tomorrow%22+Film Abbotstown (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

If you click the link in the notice that says "this articles entry" it takes you to the page (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stay_Until_Tomorrow_(Film)) where the reason is listed by the person who added it with the reason "A non-notable film with no significant coverage in reliable sources and no evidence of satisfying WP:NFILM." Mlepisto (talk) 13:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Note that most of the links your google search throws up, Abbotstown are not independent, reliable sources. The Variety review probably is, but I'm not sure any others in the first page are. You can contribute to the discussion, but please read the "primers" mentioned in the box on the discussion page first, especially Help:My article got nominated for deletion!, --ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Citations

Hello, thanks for inviting me to the group. I would very much like to add citations to a page I am creating but struggling to do that in an effective way. Any advice would be hugely appreciated. 82.28.97.161 (talk) 13:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. The first step is to find sources (could be on Google) which meet Wikipedia's definition of a reliable source. Then, cite them properly in the article - a beginner's guide as how to do so can be found at WP:ERB. Feel free to follow up with further questions. Hillelfrei ^talk 14:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with draft

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kanza Javed

Hi, can someone help me with my wikipedia draft? they keep rejecting it and I am not understanding clearly why Saad Haseeb (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Saad Haseeb: Welcome to the Teahouse. As the reviewer pointed out, you have not provided sufficient reliable, independent sources for your subject, nor have you cited them to sentences. Wikipedia primarily focuses on using secondary sources, not primary ones like interviews. If you need a guide on referencing, see WP:EASYREFBEGIN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Note, Saad Haseeb, that sources need not be in English. If you can find any Urdu sources on Kanza, please feel free to message me on my talk page and I'll see what I can do to help. Best, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:57, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipoll #1

Should we make a option to disable accounts ( like Fandom )?

Yes or No Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Another Wiki User the 2nd: Welcome to the Teahouse, but this is not a place to run polls, and you appear to have already asked the same question at WP:VPIL (though you did forget to sign your post there, which you might like to think about fixing). Nick Moyes (talk) 16:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC).  

We can already disable accounts if they are disruptive in any way. If you mean delete accounts, no, I don’t think there should be such an option due to the issues with attributing authorship of Wikipedia (of course, I think there should be a way to delete vandals’ accounts, but then again, implementing it would be hard). By the way, polls are generally not the best way to gauge community opinion, as a horde of not-so-well-informed people may vote in one way without proper knowledge of the topic. Consensus is the way we settle disputes and conduct discussions. RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 16:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Another Wiki User the 2nd (talk • contribs) 16:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing On Wikipedia

hi.i would like to know how to edit on wikipedia Beatsbymellow (talk) 17:01, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Beatsbymellow! See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Access to deleted articles

Resolved

 – Only admins can see deleted content; public logs show time and reason for deletion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, came across this article here on a blackhat site that claims that deleted articles are viewable by any editor via the deletion log. Is this correct? regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2020

@Atlantic306: No. Only administrators may see deleted articles. The deletion log will only show that the article was deleted and the reason for it. RudolfRed (talk) 17:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 18:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed and Atlantic306: If a page creation or edit hits a public filter, even if the content is now deleted, you are able to see the edit/page. Worse yet, administrators cannot simply revdel abuse filter log entries; the only way to prevent people from viewing abuse filter hits of a public filter requires oversight. With promotional/autobiographical/COI article creations especially, they very often trigger abuse filters, which though it makes it easier for non-admin IRC help channel helpers (like me) to explain to them why their article was deleted, it could be otherwise problematic if it's a copyright violation, attack page, etc. Best, Vermont (talk) 04:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks, that needs fixing imv Atlantic306 (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

How May I claim Mason County Washington State

How May I claim Mason County Washington State? Victorianajayme (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Victorianajayme: This isn't really a question for Wikipedia, unless you mean "how may you claim the article titled Mason County, Washington", in which case, you don't per WP:OWN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Victorianajayme: If you mean the article, you may not. See WP:OWN and also WP:COI and WP:PAID. RudolfRed (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Biography for an Architect

 Courtesy link: Draft:Camilo Rebelo

Camilo Rebelo I would like to ask why my submission got declined. I am an assistant of Architect. Camilo Rebelo and we are trying to create his Wikipedia biography since he as an architect and artist did a lot of works and contributions... Could you please tell me how to do it. P.S All the information written by me was provided by the Architect it self. CR1972 (talk) 18:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@CR1972: Welcome to the Teahouse. I have pointed other interested readers to the correct page. The problem that GoingBatty saw was that there were no cited references; Wikipedia articles require reliable, independent sources. The problem that I see is that the subject is involved in writing the draft, and you are affiliated with the subject, in which case everyone involved in creating the draft is strongly recommended to read WP:COI and WP:AUTO, the former of which applies to people related to the subject and has a vested interested in an article being created for them on Wikipedia, and the latter being aimed toward Rebelo himself as writing about oneself is strongly discouraged. Since you are an assistant to Rebelo you should also read WP:PAID, as restrictions become much tighter if monetary exchange is suspected. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Biography page and conflict of interest guidelines

Hi - Thanks for encouraging questions. My sister and I had prepared a page documenting my father's role in early rock climbing and ski mountaineering in Southern California, the US Southwest, the Bugaboos, and Wisconsin prior to WW II. It's similar in nature to the active Wikipedia page on Glen Dawson (they were close friends and did many climbs together). From what I am reading about conflict of interest I'm getting the feeling that we should abandon this plan and find another place to post our page. Is this what you would advise? It's a completely factual page with all statements in it documented. My father died in 1996 so obviously he would not benefit in any way from posting the page, nor would we. We just thought that this piece of history would be important to add to Wikipedia.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. We have spent a good deal of time compiling this page and obviously should have taken a closer look at Wikipedia's guidelines before doing so. We would be very sad if it were not possible to post to Wikipedia but we would totally understand. Thanks in advance. Donna Dmbrinton (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Donna, and welcome to the Teahouse. You would indeed have a conflict of interest in writing about your father, but you are not forbidden from doing so: you should use the articles for creation mechanism, so that you develop it in draft, and then submit it for review. There are two things that may be difficult for you in writing an article about your father (please don't think of it as a "page": Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and consists of neutrally-written, well sourced articles), One is keeping the wording neutral - a Wikipedia article should contain no judgmental words (positive or negative) unless they are directly quoted from a cited independent source. The other is that things you know should not go into the article unless they are corroborated by a reliable published source. This can be frustrating (especially if the published sources contain information which you know is inaccurate) but it is a core policy of Wikipedia: since anybody may edit it, the only way a reader can be sure of the content is if they can find it in a published source (ideally, a source cited in the Wikipedia article). It's also important that most information come from sources wholly independent of your father: a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may come from non-independent sources, such as his own works, or websites of organisations he belonged to; but in order for an article to be accepted at all there must be enough independent reliable-published material about him to ground an article (the Wikipedia jargon for this is that he be notable - which doesn't mean quite the same as its normal meaning). I hope this answers you: please come back here if you have any further questions. I suggest also looking at your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a wikipedia page

I am trying to create a wikipedia page for myself. I put it together but it has USER in the title of it after I published it. How can I make this public? Carla C. Johnson (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carla C. Johnson: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place for just anyone to have an article on them; it is not a social media site like LinkedIn. Also, writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Carla C. Johnson. The page User:Carla C. Johnson has been written and formatted as if it was a Wikipedia article. That is not the proper use of a Wikipedia user page, a user page should be to inform other users of Wikipedia about you as a Wikipedia editor. User pages often include lists of articles created or worked on, or ones the user plans to work on, Wikipedia achievements, views about Wikipedia policy and activities, and the like. They may contain brief biographical information for context. They may contain information about a user's interests and skills, to help in judging that user's contributions. A User page should not be a biographical article about the user. See WP:USERPAGE for mo0re detail.

The page User:Carla C. Johnson could be moved to Draft:Carla C. Johnson, and there an attempt to create a valid Wikipedia article could be made. I am not sure, from as quick look, whether it would pass the Wikipedia standard of notability, as described in our guideline on the notability of people. Multiple (usually at least three) Independent professionally published reliable sources that each discuss the subject in some detail, beyond a mere passing mention (usually several paragraphs each) are the most commo0n way to establish notability. See also our General notability guideline. And do read our guideline on autobiographies and on conflict of interest.

Given all that, would you like the page mo0ved to the Draft space? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Url help.

Please tell me how to include a URL in my page. Lelandken (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lelandken and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, you do not seem to have any contributions to Wikipedia except for asking this question. For that reason, I assume when you say "my page", you don't mean a page you created, you mean a Wikipedia article about yourself. If that is the case, please see WP:AUTO#IFEXIST before editing it. URLs (links to external websites) are generally not included in Wikipedia articles except for the "External Links" section, some infobox parameters, and some other exceptions. Instead, if you would like to add a link to a word (and the word should be linked per MOS:UL), you can add a Wikilink, a link to the word's Wikipedia article. Feel free to ask if you would like further clarification. Regards, Hillelfrei ^talk 18:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lelandken: You are also welcome to include a simple link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language. However, if a link to your home page is the only thing on your userpage, this may be seen as an attempt at self-promotion. Please feel free to learn more at our guideline on user pages. For help on wikitext markup, please feel free to take a look at Help:Cheatsheet. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Peer review

So, I figured out how to file the peer review, but now I have another question. What do I do now? Do I just wait? Thanks in advance. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(My profile | My contribs | speak to me)} 19:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

help with making a wikipedia page

I have a few questions. One, how do I create a wikipedia page? I have also done research on wikipedia writers but i'm not sure if they are a scam considering the high prices. Do you know of any legit wikipedia writers who are credible? or is that not a thing and it's more worth it to do it yourself? I would greatly appreciate help from anybody. 2001:579:7180:28:C806:38EA:8C11:C9BE (talk) 19:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Lola keller 2001:579:7180:28:C806:38EA:8C11:C9BE (talk) 19:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Lola. I'd be interested to know what prices you've seen? But, to be perfectly frank, no amount of money is ever going to get a Wikipedia article about someone if that person is not notable in the first place. Never be duped into thinking you can pay someone to write about you here - it really is not 'a thing'. We are all volunteers - apart from a few bad apples. If you meet our Notability Criteria, in due course another person will no doubt want to write about you. There are not always benefits to it either, see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. To create an article on another topic, follow this shortcut: WP:YFA. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Lola. I believe that some professional editors are legit, more are scammers, and many, while not outright scammers, promise more than they can in fact deliver. As Nick Moyes said above, no amount of money spent (or of good writing) will get an article about a no0n-notable person (or topic) to stay around long.If the topic is indeed notable, a professional might help with putting an article together, but interesting an experienced volunteer editor will probably get better results for free, if an editor's interest can be attracted. Note that Wikipedia articles are not "pages" in the sense that social media has "pages". A Wikipedia article summarizes what published reliable sources have written about the topic, mostly independent sources. If there are no good sources, there will not be an article. If there are sufficient good sources, than an article could be created, as a rule. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Headline "Chicago" more leads to huge metro area - no reference to Cook County nor 6 county area.

I'm resident of River Grove, Illinois. Located in Cook County. I'm age 78, degreed Elecrical Engineer.

Growing up I heard: Population Numbers: Chicago - 3.5 Million Cook County - 5 Million All 6 Surrounding Counties 9 Million Entire State of Illinois - 11 Million

So, I wondered why so much contention tween "US and THEM". LET'S SUCCEED FROM ILLINOIS!

Your article is lacking but I loved your:

"assuming that the efforts of others are in good faith". "Stay cool!"

or my mother's: "It's ok to disagree, but not to be disagreeable"

Respectfully Submitted; TOCAR Tocar2662 (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tocar2662: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question to ask about using or editing Wikipedia? I'm surmising that this may have something to do with the Chicago article? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Reference/Citation formats

When using the visual editor to reference something you can click on the "cite" button at the top of the page and it gives you a bunch of options. When choosing between the manual options you're given the option between: Website, Book, News, Journal, and Basic Form. My question is:

When would you ever choose Basic form and if someone else cited something using the Basic form while also including a URL or book is it appropriate to re-cite the source as a website or book?

For a specific situation, I was looking to add citation information to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anishinaabe Reference number 6 appears to be in basic form but there is a link to a google book. So could I remove the reference and re-cite it as a book? TipsyElephant (talk) 13:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Welcome to the Teahouse! Most of the time, I use one of the cite templates, while some people like the flexibility that the basic form provides. Per WP:CITESTYLE, since many of the other references on the page use one of the cite templates, I think it would be fine to use {{cite book}} for reference #6, as long as all the data currently visible remains visible with the template. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

If I try to edit a semi-protected page, how does this work?

I have tried to add an image on a page that is semi-protected. I am not able to ascertain whether I qualify to be able to edit it and as the image I added has not appeared, I do not know whether I have done it incorrectly or whether it is awaiting some sort of approval and 3rd person intervention. How do I find out what is happening? Many thanks. Twotonetoo (talk) 22:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Twotonetoo: If it was this edit, the problem is that you added a single layer of square brackets where none were needed (as well as a thumbnail tag that wouldn't have mattered). Notice that the other entries in the gallery don't have those. I've fixed it. Also, you need to stop marking all your edits as minor. Minor edits are very small changes like punctuation fixes. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Is something 'upcoming' if there's zero evidence to support that it is under development anymore?

So, this came up as a joke on Twitter, but honestly it's actually kind of a fair question: If a video game shows no signs of being under development, at what point does it go from being 'upcoming' to 'canceled' in the opening sentence, "EXAMPLE is an upcoming video game developed by..." Do we have to wait for someone to acknowledge that it's officially canceled, or can we just infer that from no evidence of a game and the trademark being declared abandoned?

Article this question pertains too, specifically: Agent (video game). The Navigators (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@The Navigators: Welcome to the Teahouse! That's an interesting question. My take is that we summarize what reliable sources say, and we should not conduct original research or compose inferences based on the lack of sources. I welcome other editors to respond as well. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@The Navigators and GoingBatty: one would think Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games would have some kind of policy on this. My querying skills may need whetting, but so far, I have only found this section on a defunct page, Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Navboxes § What to avoid. I infer that games that have neither a definite release date nor significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources should not have a standalone article. This then neatly avoids the question: if the definite release date passes without fanfare, the article will simply say so; otherwise, it has enough sourcing, as GoingBatty said, for the article to say the game won't be released. As for Agent, I'm wondering what's left after we filter out the press releases and pieces based on them. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: Sorry I wasn't clear. I am NOT advocating that we make a statement saying the game has been cancelled or won't be released. We should only report what reliable sources state. We might have to tweak the language (e.g. maybe change "Agent is to be set" to "Agent was announced to be set"), but a lack of statements doesn't mean we should guess at the current state. GoingBatty (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty and Rotideypoc41352: I posted on the WikiProject Video games talk page, asking for some assistance, and left links directing them to come here and chat with us.--The Navigators (talk) 21:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

This is a tricky question when it comes to Agent. Given that the trademark is expired and no updates have been given, we should either remove the "upcoming" and confirm that it appears to be in limbo, or outright call it cancelled with citations to back up the claim. I can't recall any at the moment, but there have been other cases of games just vanishing into limbo like Agent and being classed as cancelled with suitable sources. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:28, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Point of order: There was a discussion about this on the article's talk page back in October 2019. See here. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I apologize for missing the fact this had been brought up on the talk page previously.--The Navigators (talk) 02:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Do make sure to exhaust our (that is, WP:VG's as well as WP's own) RS, as I came up with this Feb 2019 article that's not yet included [1], and based on how Polygon talks of the project, I would treat it as cancelled rather than upcoming but making sure to justify it with Polygon's rationale in the body (that the teams behind it have been moved to other projects, assets maybe used on other projects, etc.) Should the game actually be revived we can fix, but everyone else in the world (that is a reliable source) is treated it as canned. This is not like a development hell game ala Duke Nukem Forever where we were told for years and years "its coming". --Masem (t) 01:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Is it worth taking this article to AFD (Articles for Deletion)? Other than Polygon, I don't see significant coverage from non-press release-y publications. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

You could consider using the word "projected", which does not imply whether or not the game will ever be released, just that it hasn't been yet. Maproom (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom, ProtoDrake, GoingBatty, and Rotideypoc41352:Maproom, You could be onto something there, or maybe "proposed"?--The Navigators (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@The Navigators: "proposed", "projected", or "announced" are all reasonable candidates. I prefer the third out of those myself. After all, it was announced. In fact, that's all that happened really. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd just use "unreleased". It's both accurate and doesn't really imply it's been canceled. The game's unlikely to come out at this point so I think "unreleased" would convey that it's probably not coming out, but also not officially canceled. JOEBRO64 00:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

New article about a scientist for the Women in Science project - by a first-time Wikipedia writer-dude

Hi,

I just wrote my very first Wikipedia article about a scientist, and did it in response to this Women in Science project: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_dictionary/Biographical_Dictionary_of_Women_in_Science

My draft which I just submitted for review is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mildred_Hoge_Richards

I had a couple questions. 1. I confirmed that Mildred Hoge Richards, who my article is about, was missing a Wikipedia article in the first link. If/when my article is approved, how do I connect my article to the people doing the WiR project? 2. How do I get feedback on my article before the 5 weeks it takes for approval - I am sure I am not doing things exactly right and would appreciate slightly quicker feedback/help on my article before it gets turned down a month+ from now.

Many thanks!!

First-time-Wiki-Dude Ohiram (talk) 00:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ohiram; it appears someone has answered you over at the help desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Failure of Contents to Float at Left of Infobox

Resolved

 – Issue resolved with this diff. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Rmhadsell/sandbox

The problem of a number of blank lines below the Table of Contents box does not involve the initial text (Carolyn Lee Jones is an American jazz-pop vocalist who . . .). The problem is blank lines below the Table of Contents box, before the heading "Biography" appears. Biography and a few lines below it should wrap against the left side of the Infobox. What do I need to change in my Sandbox to make this happen? Rmhadsell (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Rmhadsell (talk) 21:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rmhadsell: Welcome back to the Teahouse. I made a change; is that what you were looking for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Your change took care of the problem. I wish that this and other simple problems were anticipated in a user-friendly users manual for Wikipedia. I have retired from a career in online training, much of which dealt with training in use of software. Thanks. Rmhadsell (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rmhadsell: Glad to hear it's all working out now. For future reference, you do not need to manually call for the table of contents; the software will automatically insert one when the article has at least 4 headings. There are multiple sources of help out here on Wikipedia that mention specific things, but consolidating each minor tidbit into one resource would probably be new-user unfriendly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Reshma Ghimire

I have removed many external links from the biography, there are only 3 external references and 1 youtube link. Please help me i still get " draft may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion because in its current form it serves only to promote or publicise an entity, person, product, or idea, and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic." error. Draft:Reshma_Ghimire Rupakgyawali (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rupakgyawali: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately it seems your article has been deleted. You may try asking the deleting admin (Athaenara) if it would be okay to do a WP:REFUND of the draft to be worked on. Please review WP:NPOV before doing so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Reshma Ghimire

FYI

 – Merged with above section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

can i paste all the content of deleted article with removing every external links in new draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupakgyawali (talk • contribs) 03:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rupakgyawali: The major issue right now is the deleted content, not the references. Removing only the external links is not going to solve the problem. Please do not make another section for a related question like this. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Mobile homepage

They finally fixed the mobile homepage, it's supercool now. It came out of the blue for me though. Anyone knows where the discussion took place? I'm not complaining, I really like it. Just wanted to read up on the process. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Probably NOT about Mobile home. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah it's about en.m.wikipedia.org. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 05:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

How to get my content posted on Wikipedia?

I wanted to get my bio on Wikipedia so I wanted to ask which guidelines I should follow? Dyce Official (talk) 05:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

KS Malefo

@Dyce Official: Welcome to Wikipedia. Unfortunately you seem to have the wrong idea as to what Wikipedia is for; it is not a place to host bios, but rather a site that has articles on notable subjects. Writing about yourself is also strongly discouraged on here. Perhaps you are thinking of a site closer to LinkedIn? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RAJINDER_SINGH_MEENA/sandbox

 RAJINDER SINGH MEENA (talk) 05:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@RAJINDER SINGH MEENA: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about your sandbox content? I should probably point out at this time that writing about yourself is frowned upon here as you would have a conflict of interest with yourself as the subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Looking for advice on article: merge, delete, or expand?

Hi, The_Ancient_Science_of_Numbers just appeared on the Community Portal as an article in need of editing. In looking over it, I'm not convinced it meets notability guidelines as a stand-alone article--there are a few references that indicate the book has been occasionally cited, but its author isn't notable enough to meet notability guidelines (his work hasn't produced a substantial impact, as far as I can tell). I'd like to nominate the article for restructuring, but I'm not sure what category I should nominate it in or even if it deserves nomination for deletion/merger/something else. Can someone give me guidance? (As the choice of forum suggests, I'm very new to Wikipedia and still learning about the encyclopedia's processes. Any advice you can offer is much appreciated!) KilimAnnejaro (talk) 01:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, KilimAnnejaro. Thank you for drawing attention to the article The_Ancient_Science_of_Numbers. Currently this article cites only three sources. Two are blogs and are not considered reliable sources. The third is a very brief passing mention, that does not even support the statement for which it is cited. I find no other significant mentions online, and I intend to nominate this article for deletion. I so not think the topic is notable.. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 06:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

want to rescue my sources from deletion on wikimedia, any help please

dear all,

i was advised by wikimedia that the following will be deleted due to copyright violation, while these are articles from news papers and public logos for the yacht clubs: Affected:

• File:Byc burgee.jpg

And also:

• File:Lebanese Yacht Club Burgee.jpg
• File:Lyc-Burgee.svg
• File:Coupe Challenge Kettaneh 2 august 4 year 1963.jpg
• File:Coupe Challenge Kettaneh 1 august 5 year 1963.jpg
• File:Coupe Mc Clintock 22 july 63.jpg
• File:Decree no 7454 by Lebanese President Camille Chamoun 14 December 1954.jpg
• File:3 july 63.jpg
• File:3 june 63.jpg
• File:US Enterprise 1963 Orient 23 june 1963 back page.jpg
• File:US Enterprise 1963 23 JUNE Orient Sport cover page.jpg
• File:2eme regata 15 juillet 1963.jpg
• File:3eme regata 12 august 1963.jpg
• File:4eme regate 1963 9 may.jpg
• File:Premiere regate 14 june 1964.jpg
• File:Regate pour les class a et b lorient sport 16 May 1963.jpg
• File:Un Spectacle de choix Lorient Sport 8 July 1963.jpg
• File:Albaladonline page 13 july 2nd 2010.jpg

can anyone help me here, much appreciate your assistance. Princesse Marissa (talk) 18:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa Princesse Marissa (talk) 18:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Princesse Marissa: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason the nominators are giving is: Historical newspapers and flags. Proper author/date/country of creation information should be supplied to determine copyrights status and license tags corrected. In other words, you have not given the files the appropriate information as outlined in the image policy's required information. Please also make sure the images you are using meet Wikipedia's WP:NONFREE image use criteria if they are copyrighted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Princesse Marissa: Based on ... these are articles from news papers and public logos for the yacht clubs, I'm afraid you might misunderstand the meaning of copyright. Newspaper articles are copyrighted, as are most logos. Simply publishing something or displaying it publicly does not somehow remove copyright. See the various links that you have been given for the details, but generally, creative works are copyrighted by their creators for some period of time (usually decades) after creation or the creator's death, depending on the nature of the work and the applicable jurisdiction. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:15, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I see, so there is nothing i can do here? Princesse Marissa (talk) 05:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Princesse Marissa, you have been advised correctly. Newspaper cuttings are covered by copyright, and you should not upload them to Wikimedia Commons (or to Wikipedia). However, you can cite them as sources in articles, giving the bibliographical details: name of newspaper, name of writer, publication date, page and column number, title of article. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Maproom i already did that, you mean what is done now is correct even after wikimedia delete the uploaded file?

waiting for your feedback Princesse Marissa (talk) 10:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Princesse Marissa, I haven't checked all of them. But the way you have cited several issues of L'Orient Sports in Draft:Beirut Yacht Club is correct. There is no need to upload scans of the articles to Wikimedia Commons; and indeed, such scans will not be accepted there. (I think it would help to expand "local, regional and national regattas" to name those regattas which are cited in the sources you cite.) Maproom (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Maproom, thank you and well noted the valuable information, have a great day.Princesse Marissa (talk) 06:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Disappointment

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I am not angry but i'm disappointed with the decision you have made on behalf wikipedia. ! respected your organization very highly until this day and you have hurt the team. As captain of 3rds football I will be expressing to the boys that wikipedia have done us dirty. I will not be recommending your services to anyone else. King Regards, Skip Yianniswiki123 (talk) 04:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Yianniswiki123: I'm sorry to hear that the decision "we" (whom that is referring to remains up to debate) made on behalf of Wikipedia disagreed with you. If you are referring to Draft:3rds Footy, it is devoid of content and not suitable for its own article in its current state. If you wish to discuss this on here, that is fine, but we would ask you to refrain from making personal attacks like you have done almost a year ago. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Cannot understand what you are upset about, as there is no content in the declined draft other than "3rds". David notMD (talk) 11:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Publishing Draft Article

Hi, I have recently made a draft article, Can you please let me know how this page is now reviewed and pushed live from draft to article on the site? Is there anything else i need to do? and how long can it take?

Many Thanks RudyFarr-Leander (talk) 07:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi RudyFarr-Leander, I added for you the missing submission Tag in your draft, have a look at Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation#Submitting for review. Regards, CommanderWaterford (talk) 07:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks indeed CW, will read the article as i am new to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RudyFarr-Leander (talk • contribs) 07:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Eri Shuka has been declined, with reason given as lack of references showing that Eri Shuka's career meets Wikipedia's concept of notability. If people have not published stuff about her at length - not just a few sentences in an article on another topic - then perhaps just WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Submit draft for review

I don't know how to submit a draft for review. How do I do it? Bumsowee (talk) 10:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

HiBumsowee, welcome to the Teahouse - please have a look at what I left you on your talk page and furthermore Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation#Submitting_for_review.CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:30, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

CIA disinformation

A whole bunch of CIA disinformation has been placed on Wikipedia our best source of information for certain areas of research. For example it says that only four hundred deaths occurred in WWI. It says that Louis Dienes was academically made a doctor at Budapest University. Dienes was an Army trained bacteriologist that single handedly identified the etiology of typhoid. He received his Honorary MD at Harvard. Typhoid killed more soldiers in WWI than all other weapons put together. The CIA  12.117.250.158 (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Could you mention exactly which article or articles you mean? If a Wikipedia article claimed that there were 400 deaths in all of World War 1, that sounds like just a regular case of vandalism, probably by some bored school kid. (That is the main reason why Wikipedia should never be trusted on its own – every fact you read here should always be checked against the sources given in the article.) But if we don't know which articles are involved, it is impossible to comment on them. --bonadea contributions talk 12:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

My first article - still in draft

Hello room.

I have just joined Wikipedia and written my first article. I have a couple of questions:

1. The article shows as being in draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Northwood_Preparatory_School) - how do I move it to production?

2. I have tried to upload my photo to the article (Northwood Prep School Drone Shot.jpg) but when I do that I get the following error message "Something went wrong. We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons."

The page Wikipedia directs me to does not help. How do I resolve this error?

many thanks Hugh Hughchristensen (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hughchristensen, thanks for reaching out :) Regarding uploading the file, you might want to try Commons:Help desk - if you're done, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your page - this will submit it for review Ed6767 (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit protect request

I made an edit request here: Talk:Babri_Masjid#Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2020 but got no response. Is there any mistake in the request?  Dr2Rao (talk) 13:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Dr2Rao, looking into it, I'll get back to you Ed6767 (talk) 13:07, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you'll need to make a new edit request with the sources. That editor can't see your replies unless you ping them using the {{Re|Username}} template. Ed6767 (talk) 13:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Where & How I give credits if I add a new page on Wiki which is a translation of a Wiki page in English ??

I am thinking of translating parts of a Wikipedia page in English, into a new Hebrew page on Wikipedia. Where & How I give the credits to the source page of Wikipedia, on the translated page of Wikipedia ?? Transuser (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Transuser. Please see Translate us. --ColinFine (talk) 13:41, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Contributions page

When I click on my Contributions page, there are numbers such as -5 and +8. What do these numbers mean? Angrypiranha (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Angrypiranha and welcome to the Teahouse - those are the numbers of bytes you added or removed from the corresponding article. CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Feedback on distinguishing an article from an existing, similarly titled but different topic

I'm looking for feedback on improving User:Mlepisto/Flats_boats to address the concerns that it is duplicate of Flat-bottomed_boat. While it does sound similar, a flats boat is a category of boat that may have various designs including flat-bottoms, although most often flats boats are not flat bottomed but v-hull variants while flat-bottom boats are a boat built with a specific design of boat and does not ecompass any other variants in the category of flats boats. The difference may be somewhat similar to a "house" vs "flat roofed building" where a house is a category of building, and "flat roofed buildings" may be both houses or other buildings, but it doesn't invalidate that "house" is a topic of its own.

I created this article due to finding it on the list of Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Sports#Fishing under Fishing. I understand that not everyone reading the article may know the difference and I may not have done a good enough job of distinguishing it which is why it may have been rejected as duplicate. Therefore I'm looking for input on how to improve it to make that distinction more immediately recognizable. Thank you. Mlepisto (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC) Mlepisto (talk) 15:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Visual Editor help

Resolved

 – OP directed to their Preferences. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Is visual editor of wiki a software that we need to download.? Is it a built in tool of Wiki? How to use it? Edit source brings the markup editor right? I m running Linux? Is there any good tutorial on how to install it? Also visual editor page doesn't have \=\= installation \=\= (escaping =)

\=\= usage \=\= (escaping =) If anyone can update them it will be good along with official link to download Machinexa (talk) 04:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC) Machinexa (talk) 04:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Machinexa: Welcome to the Teahouse. The VisualEditor is a beta feature, and can be found in your Special:Preferences' Editing tab. Just uncheck "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is still in beta". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Machinexa (talk • contribs) 05:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Want to write biography of someone.

Kindly help me for adding the page of the owner of one of famous group of institutions in here at Punjab (India). I can share the details of it later when it is found that the article can be created. For now I just want to share the website of institutions for kind consideration of Wikipedia admins. It is www.innocenthearts.in.

Thanks for your support. Pankaj innocent (talk) 15:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Pankaj innocent, hello! You can learn more about how to get started over at Help:My first article Ed6767 (talk) 15:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Is my article suitable for Wikipedia

Hey, I am a new user and I wrote an article Draft:Genneya Walton. Please let me know if it meets an encyclopedic standard suitable for Wikipedia. Thanks Get a smart idea (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Get a smart idea: your Draft was submitted today. It would be unfair towards the creators of the 1,871 -1 other submissions awaiting review. Please be patient. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

How to address suspicious edits?

I have a couple concerns about edits on 1C Company and would like advice how to proceed. I added a notice to one editor's page but I think this requires more experienced eyes than mine.

• I am questioning whether "1C" should redirect to the company. Seems like there are many more common uses of it in the English language than a Russian software company. Ex: Currency or unit of measure in various applications. See 1C_(disambiguation)
• a number of editors have engaged in editing only or substantially this article or articles about the company's products, etc. See the following recent ones:
  • Special:Contributions/Smileirk
  • Special:Contributions/JuliyaLe
  • Special:Contributions/TriLingualUser
  • Special:Contributions/Lonkom7768
  • Special:Contributions/Vi_ule

 Mlepisto (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Mlepisto, try bringing this up at WP:AN - I'll take a look too Ed6767 (talk) 15:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion 1C ought to redirect to 1C (disambiguation). I've made it so. Bishonen | tålk 16:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC).

Ed6767 thanks. I feel too inexperienced for posting on WP:AN especially because of the notice there. Even though my account may have been around a while it has been long stagnant in terms of contribution and usage beyond reading until recently. I see your and Bishonen's edits. Thank you both. Mlepisto (talk) 16:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

How to contact an editor

It looks like editor Paphrag started the article titled Carolina dog. I want to know how to direct some questions to Paphrag. King.parker3 (talk) 16:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@King.parker3: You can leave a message at their talk page at User talk:Paphrag. If the matter is sensitive, they can be reached by email at Special:EmailUser/Paphrag. If the question is about the article Carolina Dog, you can discuss it at the article's talk page at Talk:Carolina Dog and {{ping}} Paphrag to notify him of the discussion. Hillelfrei ^talk 16:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to propose a particular format for a type of articles?

(Questions are in italics)

I’ve noticed that articles for smartphones and tablet computers (non-flagship devices, to be more specific) generally have issues in formatting and the type of information that is added. For example, many articles have the smartphone’s price, which violates Wikipedia:Prices, but lack a reception section or have inconsistent formatting. To solve this, I am creating a basic template at User:RedBulbBlueBlood9911/sandbox (still working on it) for users to add information directly and avoid violating Wikipedia policy, but I’d like to know if there is a way to get this format altered based on consensus and make it a standard format for such articles (of course, I don’t expect people to strictly follow it, I just want them to be able to create MOS-compliant articles easily and alter the format if they think it will make the article better). If not, what is the most I can do to make sure other editors are aware of this format proposal and use it for articles? RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 05:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RedBuhlbBlueBlood991, and welcome to the Teahouse. This sounds like the kind of thing that a WikiProject, or a task force under a WikiProject, might do. The closest matches I can find are Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Computer hardware task force, Wikipedia:WikiProject Telecommunications, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Technology

Do understand that you cannot make a particular layout mor structure mandatory, but a project can recommend a standard structure, and in some cases such recommendations mare widely followed.

Just about anything on Wikipedia can be altered by consensus, and the way to do that is to start a discussion to determine what the consensus is, or form one. Whether a template is the best way to implement a recommended structure is a question that could be discussed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 06:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I understand. The point is to have an easy way to ensure that MOS is followed and all the relevant information is added. Editors are free to use their own style as long as the article doesn’t lack any vital info or look like an advertisement. RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 06:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@RedBuhlbBlueBlood991: Building off of what DESiegel said, you may want to check out WP:COVID-19 and what they did with {{Current COVID-19 Project Consensus}}. The level of urgency may be different, but articles that fall under its scope generally obey the points listed in the consensus. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

​ Pinging correctly this time now that I'm looking at the actual signature. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

​ —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, so I’m going to approach Wikipedia:TECHNOLOGY because WP:TELECOMMUNICATIONS and WP:COMPUTING are child projects. But I noticed that the talk page is inactive, so how do I propose the article format? Should I start an RfC? RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 06:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Tenryuu. RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 12:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@RedBulbBlueBlood9911: I think you can post the proposal on the talk page. If no one responds in the following days, you can probably start modifying articles that you see; if anyone reverts you point them in the direction of the proposal. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:01, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Blocked

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Resolved

 – User has been told to use their new account instead of the blocked one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

i have been blocked, please help LetsgomooN (talk) 00:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@LetsgomooN: If you are also Zee50, please abandon this account and go back to your other account and talk with admins. This account would be considered WP:EVASION and will look unfavourable on any unblock requests you have created. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

How to proceed without sources

Resolved

 – {{Update}} template and related articles/WikiProjects suggested to effect action. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I would appreciate input on my comment at the talk page for Talk:George_Town_Airport which is closed and has been for some time. Thank you. Mlepisto (talk) 22:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Mlepisto, we follow the sources; when what we know contradicts the sources, we simply have to wait for the sources to catch up. Wikipedia is not news, so information is allowed to get outdated when there are no sources to keep an article up to date. If you are quite certain sources exist even though you don't have one, you could also tag the article with {{update}} so someone else may update it, or at least know the information may be outdated. Also, if/when you don't get an answer on an article's talk page, you can notify the wikiprojects that the article belongs to, or another related article that gets a lot of editor attention asking if anyone would take a look. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I understand about the sources, which is why I asked to learn more about what would be appropriate. The update tag and other ways to proceed are helpful. Thanks! Mlepisto (talk) 13:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

plagiarism?

Hi I got a message from Zefr, warning me about plagiarism on an article I edited on "bee learning and communication"; the existing article was scientifically incorrect and deficient. Everything I added was written by me, and published in several papers I have written on the topic. Thus, I am not copying sentences from other people; everything was written by me and I have the right to use my sentences here and everywhere, right? I have no problems in disclosing my name to you so that you can verify my publication list, etc Drohnlein62 (talk) 16:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Drohnlein62: welcome to the Teahouse! Hope you're well. Wikipedia is licensed under a copyleft license, which means anyone can, with attribution, modify and reproduce anything in it even for commercial purposes. To comply with that license, we do need documentation that the copyright holder has licensed the text not to Wikipedia specifically but under a compatible copyleft license. Before you provide us any information: are you willing to do so? For more details, please feel free to review the relevant policy at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 17:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

My understanding is that for most science journals (the citations you authored or co-authored, added to Wikipedia, and are copying to Wikipedia verbatim) the copyright is transferred from the author(s) to the journal, with limited usage permissions to the authors. This means that copying your own writing to Wikipedia is a copyright violation. Secondly, Wikipedia discourages article editors from citing their own work. From WP:COI: "Using material you have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is relevant, conforms to the content policies, including WP:SELFPUB, and is not excessive. Citations should be in the third person and should not place undue emphasis on your work. You will be permanently identified in the page history as the person who added the citation to your own work. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion: propose the edit on the article's talk page and allow others to review it. However, adding numerous references to work published by yourself and none by other researchers is considered to be a form of spamming." (my bolding). David notMD (talk) 18:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Username question

I am not sure where to post this so forgive me in advance. I noticed a user named Mbaeza123 making multiple edits on an article with almost a similar name: Mario Baeza. Is this allowed? - SUBWAY 18:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Subwaymuncher: Thanks for bringing that to our attention. I have left a {{coi}} tag on the article and CommanderWaterford has left them a message on their talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Subwaymuncher: Like Tenryuu, I've also taken a look at the article, and intially started to clean it up after all the CV-like additions made by the subject of that article. However, I gave it up as a lost cause. So, I have just proposed on the article Talk page (Talk:Mario Baeza) that we restore the article to its 13 May version and move forward from there, asking the subject to make edit requests for specific changes they feel are necessary. There are simply too many things wrong with those new additions, and I don't believe we should waste our time cleaning it up, bit by bit, for them. You can express your support or disagreement with that proposal in my post there. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Images

How do you upload a photo on someone's page Scelo67 (talk) 19:02, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Scleo67: Before we proceed any further, is the image copyright-free or does it meet all of Wikipedia's WP:NONFREE use criteria? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:03, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Scelo67 correctly this time around. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

American Idol color templates

Hi there, just want editors or anyone who can help will be fine. I've happen to come across the page and asking for a help request if anyone can change the color scheme format for the American Idol articles (the first 15 seasons). I'm doing this because that from what I observed:

• The colorful scheme has mostly been used for other competition and the contrast has been ideal for display. Using only monochrome colors lack contrast and the bold typeface should only be indicated for winners, not elimination. The yellow, light blue, light green and pink colors were the most common, respectively used for public save/top entries, judges save/bottom entries, special save and elimination.
• The colorful scheme was first used on the ABC-revival (season 16 and later) and it had later adopted for a few select articles, such as SPOP Sing! (another reality singing competition held the same year as the AI season 16, in 2018)
• I've seen other articles like The Voice and The X Factor, and these displays of results and performance charts are acceptable.
• Maintain a good consistency on other articles, that is, the same format as all other articles in a series.

Earlier before I came to the page, I experimented the format on the very first AI season so that this will get attention to editors. I had faced a time constraint and unable to edit most big articles for the time being, however.

For other Idol articles outside US, it's about time to also see a change. Hope if anyone can come to a consensus. TVSGuy (talk) 06:26, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@TVSGuy: This is better asked on a project like Wikipedia:WikiProject Television, particularly at their Idols and Reality television task forces. Changes like that should be agreed upon via consensus. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Got it. Dunno where to ask, because i'm new here. TVSGuy (talk) 19:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@TVSGuy: No worries, we all had to start somewhere. Best of luck! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Can't display image

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Next discussion : #How to put multiple of the same reference without displaying as a separate reference

can't display image I follow the Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1, but on step 3, I don't know what to put before ".png". What should I put? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumsowee (talk • contribs)

@Bumsowee: I'm not too sure I understand your question. On step 3 it tells you to use the file name before the .png. Also, please refrain from abusing tildes. 4 are enough. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I have realised what you meant by "unclear" and I will try to make it a bit clearer. I uploaded the image on Wikimedia Commons, but then it wasn't showing up as I'd uploaded it. I am busy making a "Languages of Central Asia" page on Wikipedia (other than the Redirect page), so I uploaded the image I wanted to use as someone else's work. But it wasn't showing up. What should I do? Also, Sorry about the tildes. I was clicking the Bumsowee (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC) button but they weren't showing up.

@Bumsowee: I'm not seeing any upload issues. You have successfully uploaded the image to Commons and I have added it to my sandbox at its full size. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( Tenryuu • 📝 ) 00:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thank you. I think that I have to be more careful, I thought the name would come up in Wikimedia Commons. I am trying to put the image in a page I made called "languages of central asia" but it just comes up with an external link.

@Bumsowee: You can display it like this: [[File:Central asia lang map.png|thumb|400px|Map of languages spoken in [[Central Asia]]]]. But the language names of File:Central asia lang map.png are unreadable unless it's displayed far larger than 400px and we don't usually go beyond 400px per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images#Size. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you so much!!! Will continue with that.

@PrimeHunter: It says only Autoconfirmed users, Administrators and Confirmed Users can put the image into the page. Can you put it in? (Page name: Draft:Languages of Central Asia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bumsowee (talk • contribs)

@Bumsowee: That's a limitation on uploading images to the English Wikipedia. It doesn't affect already uploaded images or Wikimedia Commons. You wrote lowercase "asia" when you uploaded the image so you have to do the same when you use it. Just change "Asia" to "asia" in the code at Draft:Languages of Central Asia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Arnold S. Monto -- Notability and review

Hi TeaHouse Friends, I'm a first time editor and you were very helpful in getting me on track with Draft: Arnold S. Monto. I believe I've acted on your good (and encouraging!) advice. Does Dr. Monbto now meet the notability standard? If you see any problems, notability or other, please let me know. Dr. Monto is a renown epidemiologist whose knowledge of cornaviruses, pandemics, and vaccine development is especially timely right now. Many thanks! Terrimellow (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Most of the volunteers here are not draft reviewers, and so our opinions do not carry that much weight. David notMD (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merged 2 headings of same question into one Hillelfrei ^talk 18:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse friends, I'm a first time editor and you were very helpful in getting me on track. Please let me know if I've now met the notability standard for Draft: Arnold S. Monto. If you see any problems, notability or other, please let me know. Dr. Monto is a renown epidemiologist whose work on influenza, coronavirus, pandemic, and vaccine development is especially timely. Terrimellow (talk) 18:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Arnold S. Monto needs more work. The Selected service section has five hyperlinks to websites for those organizations. Not allowed. David notMD (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking a look. Much appreciated. I've removed the hyperlinks in Selected Service section. Anything else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrimellow (talk • contribs) 20:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Rejected Article

Hello everyone, please I need assistance on a article I wrote on a known pastor that was rejected. The feedback says, "they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." I need suggestions on how I can improve the article so as to increase its chances of being accepted. Nikkylad (talk)

Article: Draft:Abraham Great ladokun — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikkylad (talk • contribs) 20:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nikkylad and welcome to the Teahouse. I took a look at the article and the reason it got declined is because there are parts of the article that are not sourced. If you add sources to all those parts, it should get accepted. Interstellarity (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

verifiable sources

Hello how do I identify verifiable sources Gorretikabura (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Gorretikabura, and welcome to the Teahouse. Verifiability is about being able to prove that a statement is correct. So we need references to an accessible, published source for that. That allows another person to 'verify' the statement. However, there's a big BUT: the source itself needs to be a good one, and not some half-cocked personal blog or wacky website. It needs to be a properly edited, reliable source that everyone recognises, and not just by the wack-jobs who believe every conspiracy theory going. (i.e. 'main stream media;) So, the two guidance pages I would point you to to learn more are: Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Do please read through them and let us know how you get on. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

One of the things which WP:RS tells you is that Wikipedia mirrors and forks are not reliable sources (see WP:WPNOTRS). One which you used recently, was reverted, but you reinserted, is listed at WP:Mirrors and forks/ABC#Alchetron. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new page

Hi there,

I was just wondering how I can add a page for a person who is not on wikipedia? Can anybody assist me with the steps required? SPO11223377 (talk) 22:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@SPO11223377: Welcome to the Teahouse. Most of what you need as a guide can be found over at WP:YFA, but a few things will help:

• having a good number of reliable sources to prove your person's notability (as defined by Wikipedia).
• learning the proper way to cite (WP:EASYREFBEGIN is a useful resource)
• declaring a conflict of interest or paid connection if you have a relationship more than in just passing to the subject or are receiving monetary compensation from them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Spanish Flu Article

Resolved

 – Full citation provided. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:46, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Under the Spanish Flu article there is a reference to a PBS episode, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu.

Next to that reference is a parameter "full citation needed."

"Influenza 1918 episode (documentary). American Experience. PBS. {{cite AV media}}: Unknown parameter |season= ignored (|date= suggested) (help)</ref>"

I don't know what parameters go into the cite media template, but I found these:

Producer=Robert Kenner Director=Robert Kenner Narrator=Linda Hunt Date Aired=18 January 2010 Season=10 Episode=5

I’m new to Wikipedia editing and there is a note that says I may not be at the level needed to make any changes. I hope this helps. Carlislejp51 (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done, thanks Carlislejp51! Template:Cite media works, but I went with Template:Cite episode. Bkissin (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Is England like a US state

Is England to the United Kingdom as California is to the United States, as in are the four countries of the UK adminstrative division equivalents to U.S. states? 47.152.145.95 (talk) 23:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC) 47.152.145.95 (talk) 23:34, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, that sort of question is best asked at the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

KEVIN CROWN BIO

 Courtesy link: User:Shireenb8/sandbox

hello i'm new to wikipedia and will like my article published, it was Declined and i need help to understand what do i need to do to make the article good enough for wikipedia? Shireenb8 (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Shireenb8: Welcome to the Teahouse! At the top of your draft is a gray box with lots of links. Please click on each link and read it in full (and yes, they're long). Then, please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, and make a declaration on your user page if you are Kevin Crown, you know Kevin Crown, or are being paid by Kevin Crown to create the article. Next, gather up all your best independent reliable sources and follow the process at Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Shireenb8: To add on to GoingBatty's answer, remove all promotional language (WP:PUFFERY) from your draft. Almost all of it speak of him positively in a blatant manner. Phrases like A man of many talents and Kevin did not cease to amaze are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Placing a set of different references all under the same title

FYI

 – Split by Tenryuu. 00:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Would anyone here be prepared to actually make this possible to do? I'll try and show you what I mean:

[ref] Cite web, url=1, url=2, url=3, title=same, work/website=1, work/website=2, work/website=3, accessdate=1, accessdate=2, accessdate=3 [/ref]

The same title for multiple citations. If all citations were accessed on the same date, then obviously you would just use one access date for all citations. Make sense? The reason I'm suggesting this is because it can provide additional verification to both references and a particular source of information. 29cwcst (talk) 00:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@29cwcst: Are you suggesting a template that cites multiple sources which report the same article? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Not exactly, but potentially. It's for multiple different sources reporting the same information that, coincidentally, happen to share the same title. It can also help to reinforce that a particular source is true by citing more than one source specifically. — 29cwcst (talk) 01:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

29cwcst, that would be misleading IMO, and so quite unlikely to happen. In any case, it would require a community-wide discussion; one or a few editors can't make it happen. But you could use citation bundling. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Bundling seems to be used occasionally for this (I prefer the bullet style, which clearly separates the cites). However, it has the disadvantage that, if you or someone else does some work on the article and finds they want to cite just one of those sources that has been bundled, it has to be unbundled, which can be challenging to do correctly for less-experienced editors. I generally don't bundle for that reason. If you have a specific need, you can always create a template that you can use to create the bundled cite. Not sure how the community feels about creating a template-namespace template to do it – probably best to create it in your userspace and subst it. Maybe there's something already out there? A search and/or mention at WP:VPT might be worthwhile. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:17, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thanks for the ping and the information, but I'm assuming you meant that for 29cwcst. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: I could, but it appears as though every citation bundled still comes under a respective title and I'm just looking to title multiple citations once. I'll try asking around but, like you mentioned, I'll probably get turned down like always. — 29cwcst (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thanks very much, I'll give it a try. — 29cwcst (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Even though you're probably right, I think Alan was pointing out some reasons why I'm proposing this kind of citation style. — 29cwcst (talk) 00:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Birth Name, Alternate Names and Common Incorrectly Spelt Names

Courtesy link to boxer: Takaloo

I've just been updating the names of a well known rapper on IMDB, who hasn't been added to Wikipedia yet, but is definitely notable. He has his real name, and at least 2 rap names. While looking for links as proof of his real name to add as his birth name to add to IMDB, and current rap name to add as an alternative name to IMDB, I came across the Wikipedia article for his brother for the millionth time, so I thought I might as well update that too, as it only has 2 references, and 2 external links (which shouldn't really be external links) so far.

His brother who is a former world champion boxer, also has multiple names... He has a real forename and surname, which together have 21 letters in total. A boxer name, which is his real forename, his surname with some letters missing, and an extra letter added to his surname. And his main boxer name which is just his surname with some letters missing, and an extra letter added.

However that isn't the only problem, as all of those names have been spelt incorrectly, in various ways, even on the number 1 source for boxers BoxRec has a letter missing from his surname, and sources which are apparently correct 100% of the time according to the majority of people on Wikipedia, like BBC News, and The Guardian have his name spelt incorrectly too. Not only have the majority of websites spelt his name incorrectly, they've also done stories about his rapper brother, but using his birth name albeit spelt incorrectly.

How do I know I'm correct, and the medias 10+ names for the same person are wrong? I know because, everyone can listen to his much more famous brother spell out their surname in a freestyle on Youtube, from last year, or see how it's spelt on multiple music profiles of his, where his name is copyrighted.

These are the results for him from Google:

• Boxer Abbreviated Surname, with an extra letter added (23,500 results, which condenses down to 105 results after 11 pages)
• Boxer Full Birth Name (3 results, although it actually shows 4 results)
• Boxer Full Birth Name, with 1 letter missing from his Surname (208 results, which condenses down to 59 results after 6 pages)
• Boxer Correct Forename, with Abbreviated Surname (1340 results, which condenses down to 82 results after 9 pages. It also suggests my spelling is incorrect)
• Boxer Forename with 1 letter missing, and Correct Surname (73 results, which condenses down to 35 results after 4 pages. However the majority of these are talking about his rapper brother, but they've used his real name albeit spelt incorrectly, and not his brothers real name)
• Boxer Forename with 1 letter missing, and Surname with 1 letter missing (9 results)
• Boxer Forename with 1 letter missing, and Abbreviated Surname (810 results, which condenses down to 60 results after 6 pages)
• Boxer Forename with the wrong vowel used, and Surname with 1 letter missing (267 results, which condenses down to 39 results after 4 pages)
• Boxer Forename with the wrong vowel used, and Abbreviated Surname (536 results, which condenses down to 93 results after 10 pages)
• Boxer Forename with 1 letter missing and wrong vowel used, and Abbreviated Surname (2 results)

Here are some results for his much more famous brother from Google:

• Main Rapper Name (132,000 results, which condenses down to 91 results after 10 pages)
• New Alter Ego Rapper Name (18,000 results, which condenses down to 52 results after 6 pages)
• Rapper Full Birth Name (239 results, which condenses down to 40 results after 4 pages)
• Rapper Full Birth Name, with 1 letter missing from his Surname (365 results, which condenses down to 32 results after 4 pages. It also suggests my spelling is incorrect)
• Forename and Main Rapper Name (56,000 results, which condenses down to 84 results after 9 pages)
• Forename and New Alter Ego Rapper Name (2,370 results, which condenses down to 40 results after 4 pages)

Now you can see my problem.

Once I've added the boxers correct birth name, and the only 4 links which exist as proof of the correct spelling, and added his forename and abbreviated surname to other names, should I add all the common incorrect spellings to the other names too, while pointing out why they're incorrect? Or should I just copy and paste an edited version of what I've just wrote here, on the talk page of the article itself for future reference?

Danstarr69 (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: I think you're better off posting this on the article's talk page. If the page isn't watched, consider Wikipedia:Requests for comment. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:08, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: You do realise that IMdB is user-edited, don't you. (Daft question - of course you do) But because of that fact, we can't use anything you've add to IMdB as the basis for a Wikipedia article. The two things need to be very separate. See also WP:COMMON NAME for how Wikipedia deals with spellings etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:16, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes What are you on about? I'm not writing a Wikipedia article based on IMDB information.

I'm updating countless amounts of stuff on IMDB. I'm currently stuck on the former world champion boxer Takaloo born Mehrdud Takalobighashi, as there's barely any sources which spell his birth name correctly. I'll be updating his brother Mic Righteous born Rocky Takalobighashi's profile on IMDB later on.

I'm updating occasional bits of stuff on Wikipedia that I stumble across along the way, on my mission to add/correct/update British birth locations/death locations/filming locations with their modern usage on IMDB (IMDB rules are the complete opposite of the rules on Wikipedia, as Wikipedia insists on using out of date locations, like non-existent historic counties for things like birth places, rather than the modern ceremonial county names), correct names, merge profiles which are clearly the same people, add any missing credits I know of, add posters and screenshots to British (predominantly Yorkshire) productions which don't have any images yet, and add/correct/update any production/distribution information I notice that's missing.

Takaloo is one of those Wikipedia articles I've stumbled across countless times over the years because of his brother, so I was going to update it a bit today, along with his IMDB profile, until I noticed 99.99% of the sources on Google had spelt his birth name incorrectly.

I'm currently writing my first ever post on BoxRec in the British and Irish forum, to try and get his birth name corrected on there first at least, then maybe email some of the MSM companies like the BBC and The Guardian to correct some of their articles. However I won't be holding out much hope, as the last time I emailed various MSM companies to correct their articles about a 1960 BBC and ITV co-production, the majority of them ignored my email, and the few who replied wanted me to email someone else to get them corrected, or weren't that bothered because they were old articles. Who cares how old the articles are, you're spreading false information!

Then maybe in a few weeks/months/years (if no-one else creates it first), I'll be creating a Wikipedia article for Takaloo's more famous brother Mic Righteous.

Danstarr69 (talk) 22:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Sorry, I've struck my reply. Your post was a bit TL;DR, so I probably skimmed through it too quickly to properly assimilate what you were asking. It's been a long day - so just ignore me. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I am having a hard time understanding why you are asking WikiP editors to help you write something on IMDb. The teahouse questions are usually reserved far aiding in editing this website not others. Having said that you might ask you question at the WP:RD/E or WP:RD/M. MarnetteD|Talk 23:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

MarnetteD clearly you're another person who has trouble reading.

Here is my problem in a few sentences:

• Takaloo has an incorrect birth name on Wikipedia.
• I was going to correct Takaloo's birth name.
• I was going to add his other name to other names.
• Then I noticed that 99.99% of sources on the internet, have spelt his birth name incorrectly.
• I listed the 3 names he goes by, and the 7 which were spelt incorrectly, along with how many results I got for each on Google.
• I did the same for his more famous brother, who has the same surname, as proof that 99.99% of sources on the internet, have spelt Takaloo's name incorrectly.
• I asked whether I should add the most common misspelt names to other names explaining why they are incorrect, or if I should just add an edited version of my research to the talk page, as there will no doubt be people in future, re-adding the incorrect spellings.

Danstarr69 (talk) 00:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: You're welcome to voice your concerns on the talk page, but Wikipedia follows the WP:COMMONNAME used by sources, even if the information is wrong, unfortunately. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

copyvio of quotes and wrong ISBN

Resolved

 – ISBN is properly formatted and quotes have been integrated into the prose. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:50, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I have two questions: first, the copyvio detector keeps picking up two quotes and saying they are violations, but they are blockquotes in the text. The rest of the quotes are fine. It's just those two. They were put in by the previous writer, but they're good quotes, and I can't find anything wrong with them. What do I do?

Second, I have referenced a book, copied the ISBN correctly from the book, and it keeps telling me the ISBN is wrong: "check the value"! It's what the book says, I swear! I've redone it multiple times! What do I do? Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: "Check the value" doesn't mean the the ISBN is for the wrong book, it means there's some sort of formatting problem (which suggests that's also the case with the blockquotes). I'd need to see the code to say what's going wrong. Is this at the article History of Christian thought on persecution and tolerance? I'm not seeing any formatting errors in that article in its current state. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Ian.thomson. Yes! That's the article. I removed the ISBN from the reference entirely until I could figure out how to fix it. It's in the ordinary form--978-1- with 5 numbers then 3 then 1. Let me see if I can call up the book and show you--if I can remember... I'll be back--in the meantime, what about the quotes? They are the two quotes in the Contemporary Catholic thought section. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Here's the book: Frend, W. H. C. (2014). Martyrdom and Persecution in the Early Church: A Study of Conflict from the Maccabees to Donatus. Eugene, Oregon: Wipf & Stock.. It's on googlebooks at [2]. I've typed in that isbn enough I've memorized it. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Ian.thomson Are you unable to figure this out too? I am certainly stumped. Well, at least it makes me feel less stupid if you are as well. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Jenhawk777. I haven't looked at the copyvio problem, but would my edit here resolve your ISBN issues? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:40, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Well, I don't see any RED anywhere, so apparently the answer is YES YES YES!! You are clearly brilliant! What did you do that I couldn't see? Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Gasp! The numbers you used aren't the same as the ones in the book--how did you find the right ones? Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: The numbers you used aren't the same as the ones in the book--how did you find the right ones? I went to the Google Books link you posted and clicked "About this book", which is where the information about the book is usually found. There were two ISBNs, so I took a shot with the one you mentioned earlier. If it's not the correct one try replacing the numbers I added to the isbn parameter but keep the hyphens exactly where they are.
What did you do that I couldn't see? You can click on the link I posted ("my edit here") to check the WP:DIFF of my edit to see what I added. Ian.thomson suggested a formatting issue, so I checked the documentation (hint) for {{cite book}} and looked for an example as to how to properly input the ISBN. I didn't find your attempt at adding it so I can't make a comparison.
What is this copyvio detector you speak of? I haven't heard of it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:09, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The copyvio detector is here: [3] It's from WP. It keeps telling me two of the quotes are copy violations.

On the isbn, I used the book itself where there was only the one number. I had no idea the "about this book" could or would have anything different. Now I know!  :-) Thank you so very much. I will remember this. Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, I've been teaching Japanese toddlers the word "no" for the past several hours. @Jenhawk777: The (coding) problem with the supposed copyvio is that you didn't put it in <blockquote>blockquote tags like this</blockquote>. In the case of the Ratzinger quote, you don't have to do anything. If someone tries to argue that it's a copyvio, first tell them to stop acting like a bot, look at the actual quote, and read MOS:QUOTE if they still have doubts. For the Monter quote, it's fine as is but maybe could use some sort of introduction like 'Monter writes,' 'Encyclopedia.com notes' or whatever. Those particular suggestions would break the prose somewhat but then you'd be in the clear. Situations like these are why we don't have a bot going after any bit of text that pops up on Earwig's copyvio detector (wonderful tool though it is). Ian.thomson (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Ian.thomson Teaching any toddler the meaning of the word no is a little like teaching a pig to sing isn't it? You don't really accomplish much beyond annoying the pig. They grow through it--of course it shows up again at 15. Something to look forward to.  :-). Those quotes are leftovers from the original author of the page I'm working on, and I'm sure at least one has an intro like "Monter writes" and blockquotes, but I will check and add those if not, and be prepared to say 'don't be a bot' otherwise. I find that approach particularly well suited to me! Thank you for all your help. You can cloe me out! Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah but the upside to these toddlers is that I'm not their parent so either they go "that huge foreigner might eat me if he says 'no' too often" or I get to throw them back at their parents at the end of the day. @Jenhawk777: The Monter quote that isn't introduced includes the phrase "papally appointed inquisitors." Ian.thomson (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: Just for the record, the problem appears to be that the ISBN is actually mis-printed in the book, swapping the 7th and 8th digits ("65" instead of "56").[4] The cite template tries to verify the "check digit" (the last digit – 4), which fails (as it's supposed to). Also FYI, regarding the hyphenation / grouping of digits, ISBN says, Figuring out how to correctly separate a given ISBN is complicated, because most of the parts do not use a fixed number of digits. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:@Ian.thomson:. Thank you! You guys are wonderful. I have always been able to dependably find help here, whatever I have needed. Toddlers of the world beware! Efficient intelligent leadership is at hand!  :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Bot Accounts

How many ediys to earn a bot account in wikipedia??  Gedimon (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Gedimon, you've only made 7 edits - why do you want a bot account? Ed6767 (talk) 12:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Gedimon, as far as I know, there is no edit count requirement to have a bot account. Just remember that the bot must satisfy the following criteria (and some more I may have missed out):

• It must be useful (ensuring WP:MOS compliance, reverting vandalism, and removing copyrighted or deleted images from articles are some examples)
• It must not be a duplicate of any other bot
• It must be bug-free
• It must not add spam or gibberish (or in other words, it must not vandalise)

Please note that bot accounts are made only by people who know coding and wish to create bots to help Wikipedia. There are experienced editors who choose not to have bots for various reasons.

RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 06:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Why Okavango River Instead of the Correct Name Kavango River as Named by Kavango People (Namibia)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okavango_River

I tried changing the Okavango River name and references to its original and official name Kavango River and this was reversed. Why is this? And does anyone know why this river is called Okavango River instead of Kavango River as named by the local Kavango people in Namibia?

Mind you, there is no meaning for the word Okavango in Namibia where the Kavango people who live along the Kavango River?

Thanks for your time. Khonas (talk) 09:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Khonas Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia typically uses the most common name for a subject as an article title, and not its official or legal name. Please see policy in this area for more information. For example, the article about Donald Trump is located at Donald Trump, not "Donald John Trump", his legal name. The article about Bill Clinton is located at Bill Clinton, not "William Jefferson Clinton", his legal name, or "William Jefferson Blythe", his birth name. If you can demonstrate that most reliable sources use the name you describe, please offer those sources on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Khonas: The article talk page is at Talk:Okavango River. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Foliate

(suggested crosspost of Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Foliate)

I got my edit reverted when I tried to publish a new article over an existing redirect. My contact with the other editor is not as productive as I would have wished and is starting to escalate. As I understand it, there should still be some link from Foliate, even if I publish under a different (bracketed) title. I implemented what I thought was the right solution, but he keeps complaining about existing links where people would then have to click through instead of being forwarded immediately. I am looking for a viable solution. I have no other idea, except for turning the redirect into a disambiguation page, which should make no difference to him. Kulandru mor (talk) 17:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

(btw: a new version is here, for now.)

@Kulandru mor: Name the article Foliate (application). TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:11, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Sure. But what about people searching for the article under Foliate?--Kulandru mor (talk) 18:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Kulandru mor: Right now, you're simply getting ahead of yourself. You created this article today, and it hasn't even got through WP:NPP yet. For all we know, it might be deemed a non-notable product and put forward for deletion, per WP:NSOFTWARE, so I suggest simply waiting for now. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I strongly doubt that a recent software product would displace a centuries-old established botanical concept as the primary topic. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I Suggest @preetikasingh draft Lakhahi Raj to be published

 Courtesy link: Draft:Lakhahi Raj

I suggest Lakhahi Raj to be published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anodi88 (talk • contribs) 06:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Anodi88, and welcome to the Teahouse. Users can not suggest that something be published, unless they’re involved in the AfC review process. I went through the draft, and in its current shape, it won’t be accepted for the following reasons:

• No evidence that the kingdom is notable enough
• The term "princely state" was not used before the British came to India in the 17th century, so the draft is factually incorrect
• Incorrect formatting
• Lack of reliable independent sources, like university books, historians’ writings etc. Besides, Dainik Jagran is a news site, and the reference has a 404 error. There is only one verifiable source which is directly related to the article’s subject.

RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 06:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Sir I have searched about it I get to know that information regarding it is in the local government office records And the royals are having some official bonds paper which they got at the time of independence

Also I want to know that what is correct way of formatting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anodi88 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

New section

 Jay Scarli (talk) 07:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a new section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay Scarli (talk • contribs) 07:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jay Scarli . See: Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections--Quisqualis (talk) 08:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

How to put multiple of the same reference without displaying as a separate reference

Previous discussion : #Can't display image

Resolved

 – Adjusted case-sensitive name. Properly displays. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )

I am making a page called Languages of Central Asia. I have a map of languages spoken there, but I can't put it above the normal line, like abcdefgh and so on. How do I do it? @Tenryuu: can you help? Bumsowee (talk) 13:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bumsowee: The problem is that you did not use the exact case-sensitive name of the image. In your draft, try replacing Asia with asia and see what happens. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:38, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: No, as in the url displays twice. Sorry it was a bit vague :)

@Bumsowee: I am not sure what you mean by "the url displays twice" and what the "normal line" is. The external link to Reddit shouldn't be there, though. If you want to notify me you have to use your signature or else I don't get the notification. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bumsowee: Please never use links to reddit images. You should go find the original via a reverse image tool like Tineye.com, and put the link to the map in an 'External links' section. See WP:EL. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: and :@Nick Moyes: thank you. I Will try to use a different image {:) Bumsowee (talk) 08:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I changed Asia to asia and it worked fantastically! Thanks to everyone who responded to my question :) Bumsowee (talk) 08:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

wrong name

I found a mistake in the article "1993 Ballon d'Or" and I'd like to correct it bur I don't understand how I may create a chance to do it.In other words,I don' see how I can ENTER the article. The mistake is: at 6th place the name, the club and the nationality are all wrong. Faulty: Faustino Asprilla - AC Parma - Colombian (this one proves how absurd the entry is: no Ballon d'Or votes could be given to non-European players before 1995! Right: Franco Baresi - AC Milan - Italian. Reliable source: European Footballer of the Year ("Ballon d'Or") 1993. How maythis correction be done? Árokpajtás (talk) 08:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Apparent vandalism last September in this edit, which I've now reverted. You could have undone the edit yourself, but thanks for pointing it out. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Need to edit a highly protected page

Greetings, i need access to the article name " Adam's bridge". I need to make a change on it. For that i need To edit it. Hari 1213 (talk) 04:09, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Hari 1213, in order to edit that page you will need to be auto-verified, an action that happens automatically when you have edited 10 pages and have been registered on Wikipedia for 4 days. You can read more about this here. Capsulecap (talk) 04:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hari 1213: Enough. You have been temporarily blocked for your efforts after inserting unsourced claims in your edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hari 1213, while you are blocked, take the time to read Talk:Adam's Bridge and the archived discussions. When your block has ended, you can comment on the talkpage if you like, or return to the Teahouse if you have other questions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hari 1213: We just went through this four days ago: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1061#Need to edit a highly protected page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jeshurun J. D. Andrew. Fix issues with draft.

Good day,

I have worked on an article Draft: Jeshurun J. D. Andrew previously submitted, but was declined due to insufficient citing of reliable sources. Originally eight (8) links were cited, and I have since added thirteen more, bringing the total to 21. The Links are footnoted inline after each piece of information as wikipedia instructions indicate. The links are from the official websites of established news papers in Saint Lucia and magazines. The other links are from the official youtube account of the government of Saint Lucia.

I have since again received feedback stating that the draft was declined due to sources not being reliable and that the links were not cited inline. I do not understand what makes the links unreliable or why it was felt that they were not cited inline.

I want to work towards getting the article published, and so i would like some more detailed information, as to what i need to do. Here is an example of a link used in the article: https://www.htsstlucia.org/saint-lucia-national-youth-council-elects-new-executive/

Please assist. This will also allow me to improve my skills in wikipedia, as an active contributor to its development. TotallyBlessed (talk) 06:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello TotallyBlessed and welcome to the Teahouse! I have no comment on the WP:RS/WP:BASIC-ness of your draft for now (though I saw a "wordpress", see WP:BLOGS, and some youtube, see WP:RSPYT), but one thing needs improving. As you see by all the redlinks in the reference section, that didn't quite work as it should. Try to follow the guidance for references at WP:TUTORIAL. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) TotallyBlessed, there are numerous problems with the draft, but the most obvious is with the references. There are eight references to the same source, which is based on an interview with the subject and so not independent of the subject. Such sources can be used, but do not help to establish that the subject is notable. The other thirteen references are misformatted so that they link to non-existent Wikipedia templates. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, the eight refs given same title "Mr." are not all to the same publication, so that needs to be fixed. And not all written by Zebulan Habbakkuk, so that needs to be fixed, too. All of the others were missing a "|" between web and url=. I fixed that. Refs still need work. Even if all refs formatted correctly, Andrew may not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. David notMD (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

New Article Creation

I want to know that I have tried a lot of time but why my article could not pass exam in wikipedia. I mean to say that why my article can not publish in wikipedia. Please help me, I hop you will answer me to help my article for wikipedia. My article topic is 'See Latest'. Junnunews (talk) 11:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Junnunews - as the draft decline states, the article doesn't meet Wikipedia's Notability requirements. The sources you used simply show that the website in question exists, not that it is notable enough to have an article - Wikipedia isn't an encyclopedia of everything, and as such, we require sources that show other people noticing and talking about the website, not just alexa rankings, whois.com links and everybodywiki links.

The article itself is a stub - it consists of roughly two sentences - but this would be less of an issue if it had been sourced well and correctly. Unless you can find some good, independent sources to add to this draft submission - see Wikipedia's sourcing guide if you're having issues - it will continue to be declined. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 11:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

citation of a page

Sir, I want to know why I can't use only social media and my sites site for referral link Junnunews (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Junnunews: Because that would defeat the entire point of citing sources and anybody could post whatever they wanted here. You need to cite independent sources. Here is a step-by-step recipe for an article that won't be rejected or deleted, part of a larger guide I wrote covering issues new users face. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Warning related to the quality of sources

Dear Wikipedians,

I am working on en:Christine Holgate article. I received a warning about using poor quality sources. Would you mind checking the article and giving me advice? If you notice something, I can reply to me and I will improve based on your suggestions. Thank you! Quinndo (talk) 11:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

As article exists, perhaps better to post comment on the Talk page of the article, to see if editors with interest and knowledge of the article respond. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Quinndo - indeed it would be a good idea to ask on the articles talk page but nevertheless I am wondering who gave you this advice? I had a quick view on the article and there are some references which could be of better sources but most of your cites are IMHO absolutely okay.CommanderWaterford (talk) 14:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @David notMD: and @CommanderWaterford:. The article's creator helped me fix those errors. Here is the notice (maybe not a warning) I received: "This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Take extra care to use high-quality sources. Material about living persons should not be added when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism; see more information on sources. Never use self-published sources about a living person unless written or published by the subject; see WP:BLPSPS and WP:BLPSELFPUB. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard. If you are connected to one of the subjects of this article and need help, see this page." Is it normal to receive this notice? Thank you! Quinndo (talk) 14:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

You should treat this more like advice, it is definitely not a warning. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

That is an edit notice placed on most/all WP:BLPs to inform editors of the page, not specifically you, about our BLP policy. It is not there because of any issues with the current article. Best, Vermont (talk) 15:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @CommanderWaterford: and @Vermont:! As I checked some articles related to living people (eg. Elon Musk), I saw the "View" section. Is there a page on Wikipedia about requirements to follow when stating a person's point of view? Thank youQuinndo (talk) 11:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Page declined

Hello, Teahouse community. My article Draft:Goldmund has been declined. The moderator Lapablo stated it looks like advertising. Can you advise what part of the article looks like advertising? And could you help me draft it better? I hope the fact I was transparent about my connection to the company is not what is biasing the moderator's perception. I do believe our page is fairly eligible for referencing. For your information, our company is mentioned in this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compact_disc_player_manufacturers being the only company without a Wikipedia page, although we've been active for longer than other companies referenced here. Our company is also listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phonograph_manufacturers . I regret I am bothering you on Teahouse but I am new to Wikipedia and couldn't figure out how to reply to the moderator directly. I hope this is the right way to proceed. Kind regards Cicivasc (talk) 09:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Being listed on other pages doesn't matter, any entries at "List of (whatever)" that don't have an independent source (if not an approved Wikipedia article) should not be there. My recommendations are:

• Stick to independent sources for now, don't cite sources connected to your company until after the article is approved.
• Stick to sources that are specifically and primarily about Goldmund, not just mentioning it in passing.
• If we don't have an article on an organization that gives an award, don't bother listing awards from that organization.
• Write in such a way that someone from a rival company, who for whatever reason has a psychotic hatred of it, must still agree to the basic statement of facts.

As for I hope the fact I was transparent about my connection to the company is not what is biasing the moderator's perception. -- No, it's probably the other way around: because you work for the company, you can't see what would be considered advertising. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cicivasc: (formatting error, meant to ping in last edit). Ian.thomson (talk) 09:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Declaring a COI on your User page is not enough. You have to declare paid. See WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Many of the refs (I deleted some) are press release related promotional. Awards table has no refs, and as Ian.t noted, meaningless unless the organizations doing the awards are Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Registered user query

hello, i have created a Wikipedia account 4 days ago and have done more than 300 edits and i still do not have access to features that registered users have. many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 08:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

You can't count. You created your enwiki account just over 3 days ago, not 4. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

ok,sorry. it fells like it had been a long time. regards Trains2050 (talk) 09:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

That's probably "Lockdown Lethargy" causing the apparent time-shift.  :-) Nick Moyes (talk) 10:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Or the user created the account less than 96 hours ago (ie. at night four days ago, and it's morning or afternoon at his place) - RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 12:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Updating Information on my father's wikipedia page

 Courtesy link: Inam-ur Rahman

I am trying to update information on my father's wikipedia page and every time i do it the content is deleted. is there a way i can update the information. I also would like to add a picture/ pictures but do not know how this can be done. would appreciate some help on this. Aamirinam (talk) 13:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Aamirinam: The best way to do so would be to follow the steps at WP:COIEDIT. Hillelfrei ^talk 13:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Assuming everything you added is true, Wikipedia still requires references to published content. Also, given personal connection - family - you should add a statement to that effect on your User page and/or on the Talk page of the article. This does not preclude you editing, but it does make clear to other editors your connection. As Hellelfrei alluded, the preferred method for you to effect changes is to propose those additions on the Talk page of the article so that a non-connected editor can either agree or decline. Problem here is that this is an obscure (meaning rarely visited) article, so it could be a long time, to forever, before another editor happened upon the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

deletion of Lolrus page

I made a page for the lolrus meme but it got deleted. It is unclean why the LOLrus page was deleted. Please tell me why.  Randall finsterwald (talk) 12:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

LOLrus gives you a link to the deletion log. A7 was the deletion criterion on each occasion, and you also had explanations in the notifications on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

why my article going to be deleted

Next discussion : #can i know what is the issue in my article ?( Kandurata cricket club )

 Courtesy link: Kandurata Cricket Club

 Lochana Pabasara Matale (talk) 15:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lochana Pabasara Matale: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason is given on the article in the proposed deletion box, which states: Non first-class 3rd Division Sri Lankan cricket club. Fails WP:NCRIC. You can click on NCRIC to see what the notability criteria are for cricket teams to get their own article on Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

NCRIC reads to me as if it applies to players, not clubs. @Lochana Pabasara Matale: I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page to get some clarity on the deletion reason. RudolfRed (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lochana Pabasara Matale: Your article has only been 'Prodded' - this is a gentle form of suggestion for deletion. Please read Wikipedia:Proposed deletion to find out what this means, and how anyone (you included) can object. If the Proposed Deletion tag is removed, it cannot be put back. But that does not then stop anyone putting the article up for a 'Deletion Discussion' at WP:AFD. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

TRAINS2050 deleted my edit because I posted the truth

 Courtesy link: Henry A. Wallace

So when did the truth become alien to Wiki? If truth is not a criteria for information found on Wiki, then what is? Would you have the info found be of a right or left wing nut nature full of politics and not truth?? Perhaps Wiki has become so jaded that it no longer functions as a source of information.... 71.223.176.166 (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I added a section heading to seperate this from other questions. RudolfRed (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) IP editor, what sources are you using and why haven't you cited them? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

IP user, please see this essay on the verifiability policy. In a nutshell: We don't care about assertions that an edit is "truth" because truth is subjective. Edits are required to be supported by reliable sources. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

You added test to the article saying that Wallace was a left-wing fringe politician, and a socialist. That kind of claim should not be made without support from reliable sources. If you think that should go,in the article, please provide a source that says this. The best place to discuss this would be on Talk:Henry A. Wallace, where you and Trains2050, and perhaps other editors could come to a consensus on what the article should say. But this kind of change is not made to a Wikipedia article without reference to a reliable source, or preferably more than one source. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

New page added not seen

I added an article on a professor of Mechatronics Engineering. I have submitted the draft for review but there has been no feedback. I want to know if the article is accepted or not. Leekeem8085 (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Leekeem8085, if you mean User:Leekeem8085/sandbox it is not submitted, you have to click the blue button with white text. Note however, that much of the text appears twice, and you may want to check out WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Two questions

Hi, I have two questions: 1. Is there a way to add only "talk:" pages to your watchlist? 2. Do you get a notification if someone replies to a "new section" you made? Thanks, Adamilo (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Adamilo! No and no, unless someone sends you a WP:PING. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Imsans

Hi I’m imsans Imsans (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Imsans do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC) @Imsans: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

can i know what is the issue in my article ?( Kandurata cricket club )

Previous discussion : #why my article going to be deleted

 Lochana Pabasara Matale (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Lochana Pabasara Matale, Kandurata Cricket Club in its current form doesn't show WP:GNG/WP:NORG. You have one ref and that [5] doesn't seem like a WP:RS to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

See also the answers above to the same question. RudolfRed (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

add link to a person with a common name

Im trying to add a common name to a page. The person does not have his own active page. How do I add the information without it being linked to other people with acive pages? Thanks. Palisades1 (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Palisades1: if the person is notable, why not write their article? If not, don't link. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Palisades1. I guess you are talking about adding Patrick McGrath to Mountjoy Prison? (I never understand why people ask questions here without telling us the specifics). You added it as a link by putting it between double square brackets: if you added the name without the brackets, it would not be a link. But if you're going to add information to an article it is much much much better if you cite a reliable published source for the information you are adding. (Yes I know that none of the other people listed has a source cited; but the ones I've looked at at least say in the articles about them that they were executed at Mountjoy. It would be better if it was cited at the Mountjoy page as well. But since there isn't an article about the Patrick McGrath in question, a reader has no way of verifying the claim. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Indira Tiwari

Alas an editor has made an understandable error. I received a notice that my new article on Indian actress Indira Tiwari was connected by user Oronsay to Q6400277 which is Indian politician Indira Tiwari. They are not the same person. Please unconnect the actress article from the politician. Thank you. Amitomakebhalobasi (talk) 17:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

This is being addressed on the talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating Article

 Courtesy link: Draft:Eskiarab

Hi. My name is Simon. I've created new article about my town. When this article published for all. Symon777 (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Symon777, welcome to the Teahouse and best greetings to Uzbekistan. When you are finished (you should especially check the layout of your references in your draft again), you can submit your article for review by clicking the button "Submit for review". If you don't see this button, you can add the related tag to the top of your draft (remember to switch to the source editor first). Please have a close look at Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation where those steps are explained into detail. If you have any further questions feel free to ask... br ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Add Review Button

FYI

 – Section merged with above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. I cannot add Review button on my article please help me.! Symon777 (talk) 20:06, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Symon777 I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. 331dot (talk) 20:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Reasons

FYI

 – Section merged. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Why my draft page didn't approve Please give me more information about it! Thanks for helping!! Symon777 (talk) 20:17, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Symon777: You need to click on Submit your draft for review!. Please do not make a new section every time you have a question related to your draft. You may edit this section to add replies. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Reliable Source

Hello Wiki community! I'm an intern at a nonprofit and have been tasked with making Wikipedia pages about the nonprofit and people who work at it for easier access to information on them. The main source of my information is from the nonprofit's website itself, but when I submitted my article draft, it was declined due to a lack of reliable sources. I'm a little confused on what to do about this, any ideas? Samclarew (talk) 18:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Because you work for the organization, you need to follow WP:COI and WP:PAID. You should not be writing about the org you are working for. RudolfRed (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: Samclarew —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:NORG, an orgs website does not count towards WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

These are articles, not pages. If you believe the organization is notable (Wikipedia's definition) and the people are separately notable, you can declare paid on your User page and attempt to create article(s). Those should be submitted to Articles for Creation. A reviewer will then accept, decline (allowing for subsequent improvement) or reject. David notMD (talk) 21:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Samclarew. I'm afraid that, like many people, your organisation has a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is, and you have been tasked with a job which is at best very very difficult, and may be impossible. Please show your superiors What Wikipedia is not, especially the section "Wikipedia is not a blog, web hosting service, social networking service, or memorial site"; also point out to them that if we do end up with an article about your organisation, it will not belong to you, you will have no control over its contents, and it will not necessarily say what you would like it to say. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

My Teahouse question was deleted––why? By whom?

Hello, I recently added a question to the Teahouse here, subject: "hi! and Amazon Alexa integration". It was still in existence (i.e. posted on the Teahouse page) as of last night. But now it is not here... is the Teahouse automatically cleared out after a set amount of times like two or three days? Or was it deleted here because I wrote the question up in one of the Village pump forums?

And, if it was deleted for whatever reason (automatically, because of the Village pump post, or ______)––why did I not receive an email or notification explaining what had happened to it? I was following the question in the Teahouse/the Teahouse page itself, but, still, no trace of the question on the Teahouse page; why is this?

Thanks, MitzvahCode MitzvahCode (talk) 17:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@MitzvahCode: Older discussions are automatically archived without any notification. Here's the archive with your question. Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1062 TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

MitzvahCode, your first guess is right. This is a page with high traffic, and threads with 48h "silence" are automatically archived, you can see yours at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1062. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello MitzvahCode. You posted your question at 16:47 UTC, 25 May 2020. Your question was not deleted but rather it was archived. Because the Teahouse is a very busy place, discussions are automatically archived after a few days. I could find your question easily by typing "Amazon Alexa" into the search box. It is in archive #1062. You can find an amazing range of information by typing key words into the archive search box. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton and @Gråbergs Gråa Sång thank you for answer this question so quickly.

@Cullen328, while I now appreciate the difference between something being deleted and archived (yes, I'm clearly new to the community, hence questions in Teahouse)––shouldn't an automated archiving be worthy of a notification? I.e. shouldn't I have received a notification that my question was being archived? Such a notification would have easily prevented my confusion and concern. MitzvahCode (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)MitzvahCode

I clearly didn't tag y'all correctly, here's attempt #2: @Timtempleton, @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, and @Cullen328 please see my thanks and follow up question above. :)

Courtesy pings: Timtempleton, Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Cullen328

@MitzvahCode: For a ping to work the link to the user page needs to be added in the same edit as your signature. Since you forgot to sign the second attempt, that won't have worked either. (This is non-obvious, don't worry! It also happens if you incorrectly link, and then go back and edit to fix without re-adding your signature.) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 17:55, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again MitzvahCode. Although I am not a bot programmer, I suppose that a bot could be written (or the current archiving bot modified) so that a notification would be given to every editor who has a question or comment archived. However, that would flood the talk pages of active editors with repetitive notifications of something that is routine and to be expected. My initial guess is that opposition to that would be strong. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't Muninnbot notify the creator of a thread that it's been archived? I imagine that the OP will receive such a notification when the bot next runs, presumably this evening. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, as I suspected, the OP received the archive notification about 20 minutes ago. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:19, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: and @David Biddulph:, yes. I can confirm that I received a notification of the archival by Muninnbot at 3:02 pm my time. Seems strange that there'd be so much of a delay (at least some number of hours) between the archiving and the sending of the email. Is this more a function of the bot's programming or Wikipedia servers having more important tasks? Also, is OP, 'original poster'? Thanks, MitzvahCode (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)MitzvahCode

@MitzvahCode: Muninnbot is the message delivery bot while lowercasesigma bot III does the archiving. Yes, OP is "original poster". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

MitzvahCode Muninnbot, like many such scripts, runs once a day, so there could be up to 24 hours delay in notification, and in some cases, particularly where the thread header has been changed after it was first created, it cannot deterine who created the thread with assurance, and so does not notify anyone. As you will see if you follow the link to the bot's user page, then back to the original discussion of how the bot should work, it is a non-trivial problem to reliably determine who created each thread at the Teahouse after the threads have been archived. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Replacement of others' sources

How do I avoid my second sources being replaced with different secondary sources that either minimize support for my point, or otherwise only reflect some of what my source included?

• Is it always considered valid simply to replace a source due to journal's impact factor (for example) which often doesn't reflect the significance of the source to the topic, and may even be a far less cited source?
• What other reasons are valid for replacing one source with another (is there a WP policy somewhere?)
• How do I better support the inclusion of my sources, which may have specific quotes that would be removed by replacing with another source? This does appear to be way for editors with opposing views to give undue weight to their views, and could restrict almost all sources to those following a specific paradigm and POV under the spurius claim of "neutrality". Amousey (talk) 13:12, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Amousey: Is this a hypothetical question, or do you have a particular article in mind? If the latter, could you link to it please? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

{edit conflict}The short answer, @Amousey:, is that you don't. We don't own sources and we don't own the articles we write. Once it is published, anyone can edit the article and replace the sources you originally used with any sources they think are better or remove text altogether. That's part of the point of a wiki, after all. if you want to publish something and ensure that only you can determine the sources used you can't do that here. Cooperation and collaboration are required here and if you think another editor's changes degrade the article, you need to discuss it on the article talk page. This is part of the normal editing cycle that articles go through. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies User:Eggishorn and User:Nick Moyles. No particular article in mind. That explains things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amousey (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Help to remove a tag.

I fixed a problem with reference #36 on Synthetic phonics but I cannot remove the tag. John (talk) 18:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi John and welcome to the Teahouse, I had a quick view on this article and honestly I do not see a tag on ref 36 which needs to be removed. Ref 36 seems to be pretty okay to me. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

..Sorry, my mistake, it was the Phonics page. John (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jnhmunro: Fixed the issue. The ref name was given two different references to choose from as opposed to the first one. Information about the error and solution can be found here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Organization name and website address in References needs to be updated

Hello! On this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Music_Hall under "References" SPMH and Society for the Preservation of Music Hall is cited. Our organization changed its name in September 2019. We are now Friends of Music Hall and our web address is https://friendsofmusichall.org.

Could I update the links in he reference section? Do you need copies of our IRS filing? I'm new to Wikipedia and don't want to mess up anything.

Many thanks for your help! Jgrueter (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jgrueter and welcome to the Teahouse - honestly I don't think that the change is really needed, I checked some links, and they properly redirect automatically to your new website. Everything is fine. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. The old website is going away in a few months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrueter (talk • contribs) 20:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jgrueter: If the website is disappearing soon, those links will probably be archived to save the history behind them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: I used IABot to preemptively rescue those links for when the inevitable happens. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Providing easy verification to prevent reverts

Looking for the best way to avoid reverts, especially for how to include quotes for reference within a source. Options I've seen are:

• Follow with comment containing quote
• use the "quote=" field of the source, which seems to get ignored - also do I need to include a PD or other copyright template within it? All short quotes should be fair use at a minimum
• Parenthial referencing, but this isn't normally used on pages I would edit
• Is there some footnote thing that could include the quote, and if there are up to 5 quotes on the page won't that look messy?
• Somehow mark up the old info as superseded by the same source, but how?

Key point: This is for pages where the original source (website, or report, or study) is later changed - eg new version of same review, addendum to a report, rewrite of existing website. Discussing on talk page gets missed by some editors. I don't usually get straight reverts - just parts of content is removed. I usually edit topics that have strong opinions. Example addition. Amousey (talk) 13:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC) Amousey (talk) 13:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Amousey: As suggested on Talk:Chronic fatigue syndrome#Why was this removed?, you can try suggesting edits on the talk page (with your reliable sources) to gain consensus before making the edits. GoingBatty (talk) 01:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Avoiding edit conflicts

Resolved

 – OP directed to the {{in use}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, if I am editing a published article, what's the best way to avoid an edit conflict? I refer to the error that shows up when somebody edits the same article you are editing while you are still in edit mode. I read about a template you can add to the top of the article, but I can't recall any details and can't find anything about it. Thanks. NawJee (talk) 00:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 00:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@NawJee: Welcome back to the Teahouse. The best way to avoid edit conflicts is to make short edits on the article. It's preferable to do it in source and click "edit section" specifically. You can add the {{in use}} tag to the top of articles to let other editors know that a major edit is being done and as such to refrain from making edits as a courtesy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks! I hope you're doing well. The {{in use}} tag is what I was looking for. I was thinking of expanding some stubs listed down at the community portal over the next few weeks. Thought it might come in handy. Thank you. NawJee (talk) 00:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@NawJee: Best of luck! Just remember to remove it when you're finished editing. {{Under construction}} can be used when you're taking breaks. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: All right, perfect. Will do. Thank you. NawJee (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Help needed in arranging a re-review of an AfC

Help needed in arranging a re-review of an AfC that has been rejected. I am trying to get a particular article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Honey_Bafna) created under the Category:Living people Category:Male actors from Kolkata. I do understand the notability criteria, and therefore I have included newspaper articles both in Bengali as well as English about the said actor. Since I am new to writing a brand new article on Wikipedia, I also have tried to look at the format being used for articles existing about other actors in the same category. However, I am unable to grasp the difference between the reference material on those articles which have been sufficient for them versus mine. For example: I have took reference point of articles like Debadrita Basu, Jeetu Kamal etc. The last comment states that the article looks to have a COI with Zee Bangla, which I do not.Please advise how to improve and re-route the article for a re-review.

Sohinimoitra84 (talk) 08:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC) Sohinimoitra84 (talk) 08:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sohinimoitra84: Welcome to the Treehouse. A draft should be compared to the notability criteria and other policies/guidelines, not to existing articles which may need to be improved or deleted - see the essay Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: the Treehouse you say? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Facepalm I think I'm going to actually build a treehouse. GoingBatty (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Question

When there is a source that lists a celebrities passing, but does not provide a date of death, do I include Category:Date of death missing? The Tony's have released their "In Memoriam" list but did not include date of deaths. Articles for this particular issue include Dolores Dorn, Meg Myles, Jane Lowry, etc. (Note: This is my first time messaging on here, so apologize if I am not doing it properly) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PamelaDenison (talk • contribs) 02:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@PamelaDenison: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you don't have a source for the year (e.g. The Tony's may have included 2019 and 2020 deaths in their list), please use Category:Year of death missing. If you have a source for the year but not the date, then Category:Date of death missing would be appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 02:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

How to create Wikipedia articles

Hi there, how do I create an article? I need to start one for "CFCH-FM", a soon to be new radio station in North Bay, Ontario, Canada. Thanks! 🙂 TRadio42 TRadio42 (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@TRadio42: The process and steps are at WP:YFA. However, only a subject that is notable may have an article. If the radio station is new, then there is a good chance it is WP:TOOSOON unless there is already significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Additionally, creating an article is not an easy task. If you are new, I suggest you start by working to improve existing articles, until you have some experience with Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@TRadio42: If you need to start an article, you're probably under a mistaken impression as to the purpose and allowed use of Wikipedia. Please see your talk page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with draft

Hi! Can someone help look over my draft? Any help will be beneficial. I really want to make this draft land in the main site. Also, none of the pictures I am uploading of the author are being accepted by wikipedia. Saad Haseeb (talk) 06:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Convenience link: Draft:Kanza Javed.   Maproom (talk) 08:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Saad Haseeb, this looks promising. I'll take a look during the day, if nobody beats me to it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Saad Haseeb: Are you trying to upload the pictures to Wikimedia Commons or here to enwiki? Are they photos which you took yourself, or are they other pictures which you have found elsewhere? If the latter, are they suitably licensed? Do you realise that pictures already published (on the internet or elsewhere) are liable to be copyrighted and therefore unsuitable for Wikipedia? What error message are you seeing? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Saad Haseeb With or without image, I think it has a fair shot at being accepted. Try to find a decent secondary source for the short story stuff, and if you can't, remove it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Really

 2601:703:4281:5960:FCAF:2BD7:BE4D:9895 (talk) 08:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you really have a question? RedBulbBlueBlood9911|Talk 09:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Why my article was rejected

I had written an article of Saath Charitable Trust but it got rejected saying that it was against the interest of the organisation even though i am an outsider to the organisation Swasti Salecha (talk) 13:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Swasti Salecham and welcome to the Teahouse. Draft:SAATH CHARITABLE TRUST is written from the Point-of-view of the organization, and is quite promotional. Wikipedia articles must be neutral and factual, and must not express positive or negative opinions about the topic, except in sourced quotations, and even that must be done carefully.

Phrases such as Being an Indian NGO, “SAATH”, has very well managed to keep its Indian Roots and Ethics pristine, intact, and original., Saath has managed to create one-stop centers to help the slum dwellers..., and Saath will be able to empower two lakh families with their lives, jobs, financial inclusion, community leadership, and training through its 30 years of experience... are not suitable for Wikipedia. The entire draft reads as it it were a brochure from the organization. that is simply not acceptable here. There are also some formatting issues, and a shortage of independent and reliable sources. But the promotio0nal tone is the worst problem, and a near total rewrite would be needed to fix this. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I would be happy to help with this. It's clearly a notable charity. I am however a total notice so unsure what's best for new articles (I have several in draft at the moment). User:swasti Salecha Amousey (talk) 10:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with Neil Patel bio

need help adding bio profile picture and publishing neil patel - dentist to public wiki Themolarmechanic (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Helped at the help desk CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

You have content about Patel at your Sandbox and as a draft Draft:Neil 1st Draft. Neither have been submitted. If submitted, will be declined or rejected, as there are no references. Also, your declaration of COI is buried in the Sandbox. Transfer it to your User page. David notMD (talk) 11:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Alleged self-promotion

Hello, how do I get Wiki editors to review a wiki page that has been created by the subject to "self promote". 81.98.8.169 (talk) 20:40, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Provide a link to it by putting it in [[double brackets like these]]. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) For a start, why not link to the article you are concerned about? We can take a look at it. (This is currently happening at the article on Mario Baeza, which was raised here a day or so ago). Nick Moyes (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

[Note also the recent attempts to remove the details about the company being liquidated] --81.98.8.169 (talk) 12:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

New Article

I wrote a new article on my sandbox two days ago. I didn't get the procedure for submission right and I posted a question here yesterday. Gråbergs Gråa Sång was kind enough to respond to help me with the procedure which I followed. However, it seems I still haven't gotten it right, because there has been no acknowledgement of the submitted article. What do I do? Leekeem8085 (talk) 10:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Leekeem8085 and welcome to the Teahouse - well as far as I see you need to hit the blue "Submit the Draft Button" on your draft article at User:Leekeem8085/sandbox, till now the draft has not been submitted. Please let me know if this was helpful for you and solved your concerns, if not ping me. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Please can I have a detailed submission procedure to follow? Whenever I click on the submit your draft box, it prompts a sandbox template with an edit button. Do I copy and paste the draft in the template? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leekeem8085 (talk • contribs) 10:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Leekeem8085. I'm not sure what button you have been picking, because there wasn't a Submit button on User:Leekeem8085/sandbox. But there is now - I have added the template {{user sandbox}} to it. I would say that you need more independent sources, but you can go ahead and submit and then look at finding better sources. --ColinFine (talk) 12:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Is my signature ok?

Hi, I recently changed my singature from the defult to DarthFlappy ^⊂Talk⊃ Do you think that it is ok/not too distracting? Thanks! DarthFlappy ^⊂Talk⊃ 20:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@DarthFlappy: Personally I'd say no: the small dark green text merges into the black background and the red is illegible until I spend two seconds looking at it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, what about this? DarthFlappy ^«Talk» I am spending way to much of mine (and your) time. DarthFlappy ^«Talk» 20:48, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

DarthFlappy, I would say that's better from a legibility standpoint. The text colour contrasts better with the background than it did on the previous version. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 21:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@DarthFlappy: I agree with Alex Noble's assessment. Much easier on the eyes. Thank you! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Yep - a lot better. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:14, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@DarthFlappy: May I suggest combining the first two nested spans and adding   before and after Darth, like this:  Darth Flappy ^«Talk»

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank so much! I was looking for somthing like that.  Darth Flappy ^«Talk» 14:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

i'm new and tried to do some reading but any help would be appreciated

For Al Schmid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Schmid) he has a picture that is from the USMC and is public domain here http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/schmid.htm. Can this picture be included on his page? If you don't know his story, it is well worth the quick read. Thank you in advance. SailedtheSeas (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SailedtheSeas. Works of the US Federal Government are public domain under US copyright law, and may be uploaded to commons and used on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. I have uploaded a copy of this picture, it can be found at File:Al_schmidt_1943.jpg, and added it to Al Schmid. Thank you very much for suggesting it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

subpages

Hello, how can i find all of my user subpages? Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lightbluerain❄ ... well, lots of ways are directing to Rome but my way would be to use "Tools"+"Logs" (user page, left Side) change Logs to "Page Creation Log" and click "Show"... and then you will see all pages you have ever created... hope that helps. CommanderWaterford (talk) 18:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: The bottom of user contributions has a "Subpages" link: Special:PrefixIndex/User:Lightbluerain/. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:26, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Does BlueMaxima's Flashpoint pass Wikipedia's notability requirements?

Does BlueMaxima's Flashpoint, a browser game preservation project, pass Wikipedia's notability requirements yet? It has gotten media attention from various notable publications, such as Gamasutra (https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/317466/Flashpoint_is_archiving_Flash_games_before_they_disappear_forever.php), Kotaku (https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/02/over-36000-flash-games-have-been-saved-and-are-now-playable-offline/) and Wired (https://www.wired.com/story/flash-games-digital-preservation-flashpoint/), and has gained relatively widespread attention. Childishbeat (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Childishbeat, on a cursory look, it seems promising but not quite sufficient. Best write a short draft with a few best sources and submit, or before that, ask around at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games, Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet or other relevant project (after waiting a reasonable amount of time for a better response here, of course). Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about Paid Articles

Resolved

 – OP added {{userboxcoi}} to their user page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for taking the time to read this one. Most recently I wrote my first article the musician Takahiro Yoshikawa and was showered with everything from being paid for the article to having it deleted. So an obvious question came up: I invest in ecological and social startups and I am very invested in circular economy, some of that knowledge I'd like to share and it might also happen that I link to content such as statistics which we provided a lot to newspapers in the past (actually 4 of the ten largest newspapers in Italy use our material to write about circular economy). Should I get a paid tag on my profile? How do I describe that I have a COI when I write about ecological topics but not when I write about music? Please give me a broad and elaborated answer, I am happy to read it :) Fthobe (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Fthobe: What you're talking about goes against our WP:No original research policy, so the COI issue is a moot point. All we do is cite, summarize, and paraphrase professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources, without addition, nor commentary.

An article relating to a field that your job also relates to doesn't necessarily count as conflict of interest. For example, I currently work at an international preschool in Japan. If I edit any of the articles relating to childcare, pedagogy, language acquisition, or Japan -- that's not paid editing and I don't have a conflict of interest. However, if I were to edit any page relating to any preschools in the Kumamoto area, that'd be a conflict of interest; and if I were to work on an article about the school I work for (even without my boss's knowledge or consent) we would count that as paid editing. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Ian.thomson:, thank you for your reply. OK, I feel like to not shed any doubts I should get a Paid flag. I found a template, but where do I insert it, on my personal discussion page?Fthobe (talk) 22:54, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Fthobe: Those are generally placed on your user page, at User:Fthobe. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: Fthobe has updated their user page to declare their COI to the pages in question. Fthobe, just make sure to leave a {{connected contributor (paid)}} template on each article's talk page that you have a COI. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Can I now remove the warning on my user discussion page?

Fthobe, you are free to remove any and all messages from your user talk page; any removed message is considered read and understood. However, it reflects better on the editor if they, in addition to responding to messages, in the interest of transparency, leave the messages alone (except when the warning was obviously in error) when there are only a few of them, and archive them instead of deleting when they start to pile up. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Improvement box

Am I allowed to remove the little boxes with suggested improvements if I've satisfied the requirements? Or is there like a resolution process?

i.e.

 Sharris2000 (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

If you believe you have satisfied the requirements of the box, then yes, you can remove them. Bear in mind they can be re-added at any time by other editors or bots - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 15:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Not all tags though. If someone tags an article you've edited a lot with "Paid" tag, you should not remove it even if you know you did not get paid by anyone. On the other hand, if a tag says the article needs more categories or is an orphan, you can remove the tag, having added categories or links to the article somewhere else. In short, you can remove tags which you couldn't possibly have any ulterior motives in removing except that the tag is no longer applicable. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, Usedtobecool is referring to the {{Paid contributions}} or {{Undisclosed paid}} tags. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:05, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

William Badger

 2605:A000:1133:8A2:E130:6853:7327:2F2A (talk) 13:03, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I published a biography of a 19th-century American sailing ship, the "William Badger," and notice that the Wikipedia bio of this vessel is woefully small. I also have much information on the ship's namesake builder, William Badger. I suggest Wikipedia may want to source my book to improve content on these two subjects. Regards...Peter Kurtz.

https://www.amazon.com/Bluejackets-Blubber-Room-Biography-1828-1865-ebook/dp/B00EF0NRUG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=bluejackets+in+the+blubber+room&qid=1590757724&s=books&sr=1-1 2605:A000:1133:8A2:E130:6853:7327:2F2A (talk) 13:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(Probably) about USS William Badger (1861). David notMD (talk) 13:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Peter (IP 2605:A000:1133:8A2:E130:6853:7327:2F2A|2605:A000:1133:8A2:E130:6853:7327:2F2A). You might want to read WP:CITESELF since it seems relevant to what you're suggesting. If the book you wrote was published by a reputable publisher which has a established track record of editorial control (in other words, not a case of self-publishing), then perhaps it would be considered a reliable source. It might still be possible to use if self-published, but then it might need to be something which has been critically reviewed by others considered "recognized experts" with respect to the subject matter or you yourself are considered to be such an "expert". Once thing about citing oneself in a Wikipedia article is that it can be mistaken as form of self-promotion/conflict of interest by other editors if you're not careful; so, perhaps discussing this on the article's talk page first might be a good idea. If you do that, then it's quite possible that another editor who's interested in the subject will take a look at your book and cite it for you if they feel it's reliable for Wikipedia's purposes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia" does not edit articles. Individual (volunteer) editors edit articles. Your book is very likely a good source of more information about the ship. A problem is that very few editors have ever worked on this article, and none recently, so the idea of contacting an interested editor would fail. Likewise, suggesting changes on the Talk page of the article for an interested editor to incorporate (or not) would also fail. My advice is that you cite your own book to carefully add to the article about the ship, while on the Talk page you create a section where you state that you are citing your own work. The separate article William Badger (shipbuilder) already covers the man and the fact that the ship was named after him. David notMD (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Copyright/summary issue with list

Hello I tried to add the delivery grade characteristics of West Texas Intermediate crude oil as outlined in the CME rule book 200101.A. 2-12 found here: https://www.cmegroup.com/content/dam/cmegroup/rulebook/NYMEX/2/200.pdf

Someone removed it for it being copyrighted material. How would I summarize the list into my own words without changing the content of the list? Every item is literally a description of the delivery criteria? Some examples of items include:

...

• Gravity: Not less than 37 degrees American Petroleum Institute (“API”), nor more than 42 degrees API as determined by ASTM Standard D-287, or its latest revision;
• Viscosity: Maximum 60 Saybolt Universal Seconds at 100 degrees Fahrenheit as measured by ASTM Standard D-445 and as calculated for Saybolt Seconds by ASTM Standard D-2161;

... Eric.c.zhang (talk) 18:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Eric.c.zhang, the whole list from your reverted edit can be replaced by merging the sentences sandwiching it, to say, say,

"Enterprise Products Partners L.P. and Enbridge Pipeline (Ozark) LLC’s Common Domestic Sweet (“DSW”) Streams that meet the quality specifications as provided in the CME rulebook are deliverable as Domestic Crude."

Even if all the information in the list is essential to understanding the topic properly (which I doubt), there are always ways to present any information another way. Wikipedia emphasises summarising the information in a way accessible to a broad audience. So, as someone who didn't really get what any of the article other than the lead section is about, I think it could certainly be presented better. You had better discuss it with the editor who reverted you, on the article's talk page (their user talk page which you seem to have settled upon is an alternative). "Is this list really a copyright violation?" could be one possible question you might explore together. Even if it is not copyvio, there is always WP:NOT to consider. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

House of Highlights

FYI

 – Heading created by Tenryuu. 20:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:House of Highlights

Hello, this is my first time trying to publish an article on Wikipedia and I am trying to create on for my company House of Highlights. I know that I have a conflict of interest but I would like to know the exact errors in my current draft that are preventing the article to be accepted upon reviewal. HoHighlights (talk) 19:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @HoHighlights: As AngusWOOF noted, you do not have enough independent, reliable sources and the tone is too promotional. The latter tends to be a symptom of someone with a conflict of interest writing about the subject. If you wish to continue contributing to Wikipedia, I suggest getting a rename, as company names violate Wikipedia's WP:USERNAME policy (WP:ORGNAME). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Do emails count as reliable sources?

I recently attempted to find the chart positions in Greece for The Now Now, and, after a bit of back and forth, I received an email from the chart company detailing the times when the album was on the charts. Would I then be allowed to add this into the article, and if so, how would I go about it? Thatoneweirdwikier | Say hi 18:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thatoneweirdwikier, so far as I know, emails aren't automatically disqualified by virtue of being "emails", but yours don't seem to meet the criterion of having been "published". It would be WP:OR to cite evidence that you claim to have seen but others would just have to take your word for it. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, what about using a screenshot? Thatoneweirdwikier | Say hi 19:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

No, you saying "this is an e-mail they sent me" doesn't work, assuming it's an interesting chart. I don't suppose you can find anything with the Wayback Machine? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thatoneweirdwikier, I would say, you are not a recognised reliable source; so screenshots you take would not be a reliable source either. Perhaps, if it were impossible to doctor images. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Outing people

I changed a few wiki pages that were saying people were "openly gay" for I know that they are not open about it and it is just rumours but someone keeps changing it back and I feel this is an invasion of their privacy. What can I do about this? LucyWalshWhite (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@LucyWalshWhite: Welcome to the Teahouse. The point of contention right now is that there are sources provided (I have not checked the sources myself); it remains to be seen if the sources are reliable. Why do you think the sources are not acceptable for Wikipedia standards? You may have a point if the sources are from tabloids and there are no alternatives. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

You are not the only editor who is disagreeing with AmSam13, who has been cautioned for edit warring (repeat changes back and forth with other editors). The issue - which appears to be about reliability of sources - will continue to play out on the subjects' Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello LucyWalshWhite, from what I see, in a couple of articles, other editors have agreed with your position and reverted the editor who reverted you. In others, it has not happened. WP:BLP policy provides a leeway to remove unsourced or poorly sourced information about living persons without worrying about an editing war (This is not a license to keep reverting without attempting communication or resolution though; keep reverting while you seek better options). So, you can continue to remove any violating material provided there is not a consensus against your position on the article's talk page. The onus is on the reinstating editor to gain consensus before restoring the edit. You can bring this up with the editor, and if that fails, you can ask for help from any administrator you know, or by posting at the Administrator's noticeboard or the BLP noticeboard (WP:BLPN). I will add that I looked at some of your edits and they didn't look right either. You seem to be adding information or modifying information based on what you know or think is right. That's not how Wikipedia works; see Verifiability, not truth. So, while removing information in the interest of privacy and asking to seek consensus for inclusion is commendable; modifying "openly gay" to "rumored to be gay" without changing the citation is not helpful; nor is adding that someone has a dog. If you think the source provided is not good enough to support the claim that someone is gay, just remove it, don't change it to "it's just a rumor" based on what you personally know. You should probably not add content to articles of living persons before you get the hang of the verifiability policy. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Biodiversity Park

Sir I received a message like this "Your submission at Articles for creation: Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam has been accepted AFC-Logo.svgBiodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created" Soon after my submission article was accepted. But still even after 5 or 6 days this is not found in Google search . when this is available in Google search sir. please inform us. Bmantha Bmantha (talk) 21:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

A new article is NOINDEXed until either it has been patrolled through the New page patrol system or 90 days have expired. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

is there a limit on number or size of pages in my user space?

Are there any limits, rations, or quotas on pages in my user space? as in pages like User:Irtapil/Urdu alphabet 2?

• is there a limit on number of pages or total storage size per user?
• Do they get deleted after a time limit?
• What stops people over-doing it and using that functionality to host a large amount of content?

And, on a related note, is there some way to find all of the pages in my userspace, if i forget what i have called one, or i just want a full list?

Irtapil (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

p.s. (I worry this bit sounds argumentative, but i'm just curious.) If storage space is not too tight for user pages to be an issue, why do articles on trivial topics get deleted (e.g. musicians who are only known in their home town)? i always thought that was about storage space and hosting, since wikipedia runs on donations? but now i'm thinking i guessed wrong? and i'm not sure why that happens? Irtapil (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Irtapil (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Irtapil, adn welcome to the Teahouse. There is no limit on the number ort size of pagers that a user may have in his or her user space. Howver the expectation is that those pages are in some way related to Wikipedia editing, such as drafts for articels or policy pages, essays on Wikipedia issues, lists of work done or to be done, links to too,s or handy pages or skeletons to copy, practice edits, or the like. Wikipedia pages should not be used insted of o9nes o0wn personal web site, see WP:CSD#U5, and Our user page policy. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:02, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

If you edit articles a lot, no one will pay attention to how much you have going on in your userspace; if your mainspace edit is minuscule compared to what you put in your userspace, people will start questioning your motives, and the pages will get deleted, and you will most likely get blocked too (of course I don't mean you by you.) At the bottom of your contributions page, is a link that reads "subpages".

The reason we are selective is because we are an encyclopedia. We are creating a knowledge-base here; so any article we add has to make a reasonable claim that it adds, if tiny a bit, to human knowledge, now and, say a hundred or thousand years from now. Basically, it has to be worth knowing. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Of course there are people who think everything is worth keeping; those will always vote Keep at an AFD or start a website which will immediately capture all articles and drafts that are created here before they can get deleted even if they get speedily deleted here. Others have a very high bar. Many people dislike how so many youtubers or footballers get Wikipedia articles and want to make policies stricter so we only cover truly worthy topics, like mathematics and philosophy and Nobel laureates. You get the idea; what we have is a compromise. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Irtapil, The list of my user subpages is at Special:PrefixIndex/User:DESiegel. Yours can be found at Special:PrefixIndex/User:Irtapil. Does that help a bit? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Ratings

Resolved

 – Importance is WikiProject-specific; class refers to article quality. Classes are arbitrarily assigned by editors in good faith (except for A, Good Article, and Featured Article). Assessments can be requested. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

How do articles receive ratings? For example, the talk page for Clicker Heroes says it’s “Start-Class” and “Low-importance”, whatever that means. Can someone explain? Please help. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(talk | contribs)} 21:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Total Eclipse 2017, class denotes the quality of an article; more at WP:Assessment. Importance denotes the priority that a particular project assigns the topic. It's the relevance of a topic with respect to the project (and informs the priority for improving and maintaining articles). For example, Nepal is top priority for WP:WikiProject Nepal but low priority for WP:WikiProject Countries, while China is low priority for WikiProject Nepal but top priority for WikiProject Countries. If there was a WikiProject Clicker Heroes, that article would be top importance for that project; if no one knew how to write a better article, that article would be rated top class or WP:FA. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Total Eclipse 2017 and welcome to the Teahouse. Ratings of Start, Stub, Class-C, and class-B may be assigned by any editor who in good faith has reviewed the article and thinks the rating appropriate. There is no formal process. I wouldn't pay to much attention to any of those ratings. There is a description of the criteria at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Assessment#Quality_scale

The Class-A, Good Article, and Featured article ratings all have formal processes to go through, and IMO they mean something. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: @Usedtobecool: Thanks for the help! This was very informative to me. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(talk | contribs)} 22:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: @Usedtobecool: Actually, I have another question. Is there some way to ask people to review an article’s rating, or do they just do it? Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(talk | contribs)} 22:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017, there usually is. At Wikipedia:WikiProject Nepal/Assessment, there is a section where you can list your article to request reassessment. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Assessment, on the other hand, says to set a parameter in the WikiProject template on the article's talk page. See FAQ there. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:22, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Thank you! Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 ^{(talk | contribs)} 22:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

A bad article

Can anyone take action on this article? The article is Krystal Klear. --Alternative Pain (talk) 23:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Alternative Pain: Welcome to Wikipedia. That is a WP:STUB that needs expanding. I encourage you to be bold, find some sources, and expand it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:56, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps Rich Farmbrough forgot about it after creating it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I tagged it as an unsourced biography of a living person. So sad. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:23, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

;,,,( All the best: Rich Farmbrough 23:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC).

Organization pictures

sir..we are writing an article about one voluntary organization. For reference purpose we are posting the pictures of the news paper articles which are very old 15 years back or not having URI number.some articles are in local languages about the organisation only. Those news paper articles are related to and fully about the voluntary organisation. We are taking a photograph of the article of that particular news paper , we are mentioning it from where it is published and we are uploading it on our behalf our name. But they are rejected by the wikipedia reviewers I mean wekipedia commons wizaard saying copy rights problem.. please clarify how we have to upload such article photographs Bmantha Bmantha (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Bmantha, The short answer is that you cannot. 15 years old does not remotely qualify as old. If you contact the newspaper and get them to provide a release, the photo can be used if the release is registered with us. Copyright laws vary by country, and you did not specify where this is, but I am certain that there is no location where 15 years is old enough to be public domain. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Bmantha, for more information see List_of_countries'_copyright_lengths S Philbrick(Talk) 21:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bmantha, you don't need to provide newspaper cuttings of the references. You only need to make a proper citation, by listing all the essential details that would be required for any other person to go to the library, find the newspaper and indeed see that there is material about the topic on the newspaper that you cite. You can use the {{cite newspaper}} template. Its documentation has detailed information on which fields to fill and how.

On another note, I noticed that you keep referring to "we". Who's we? And, have you read the Wikipedia guidelines on conflict of interest editing yet? Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Bmantha Pictures published by a newspaper will normally be copyrighted by the newspaper or possibly by the photographer, and will remain protected by copyright under US law for 95 years, or for 70 years after the photographer has died. 15 years old is not nearly old enough for such images to have entered the public domain and be free of copyright. Unless they qualify under Wikipedia's criteria for a fair use claim (and such photos rarely will), they cannot be used on Wikipedia unless the newspaper puts them under a free license, which is highly unlikely.

By the way, who is "we"? Any Wikipedia account should be used by one person only, never shared. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:55, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bmantha: I have left some detailed advice on your talk page on what you need to do to the article on Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam to make it more acceptable as an encyclopaedia page. Please don't try to add any more photos - there are far too many in it already, and the article needs cutting down, not expanding! I have also asked you to follow our guidance on declaring any conflict of interest or 'Paid' editing, which I think we would all appreciate. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Page Deleted why??

 Rupom 00:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Official.Rupom (talk • contribs)

Hello, can you explain further to what was deleted? Then the Teahouse Hosts could give you better insights. Le Panini (talk) 00:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

What OP is referring to is this removal of an attempted draft from a page where you don't post drafts.

@Official.Rupom: Can you please summarize the instructions at the top of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Help page for us? Ian.thomson (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help adding information box to page

Next discussion : #How to respond to help answer

 Courtesy link: User:TiBUchon/sandbox

Hi,

I am new here and have created my first Wiki page. I need some help in how to add the information box to the right side of the page. I would appreciate any input on how to do this.

Thank you (smile)TiBUchon (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC) TiBUchon (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

TiBUchon Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There's a few things I'd work on first before worrying about the infobox. The first thing I noticed is that your entire draft is formatted as section headers. You will need to remove all the equals signs from your draft and only have them around actual section headers, not around the article text itself. Second, you don't have independent reliable sources to support the content of the article, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Wikipedia is not for merely telling about something; articles should only summarize what independent sources state about the subject.

If you are associated with this subject, you should review conflict of interest and paid editing for disclosures you could be required to make.

I don't say these things to discourage you(though I probably did, and I apologize), only to help you. Successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, and it takes much effort and practice. 331dot (talk) 00:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

greetings: WE WOULD LIKE TO EDIT A TEXT WITH MISINFORMATION AND AN INFRINGEMENT ON PRIVACY - HOWEVER, THE INITIAL WRITER PUTS THE MISINFORMATION AND INFRINGEMENT ON PRIVACY BACK ONLINE EACH TIME WE PUBLISH AN EDITD VERSION WITH SOME ADDITIONS AS WELL. PLEASE ADVISE THANKS

 Isthar Dac (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: article in question is Gangchen Tulku Rinpoche. Please do not type in all capital letters as that is akin to shouting = rude. David notMD (talk) 01:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Isthar Dac. This is a dispute that derives from the Dorje Shugden controversy, an ongoing, bitter dispute between followers of the 14th Dalai Lama and his factional opponents in Tibetan Buddhism about the nature of the entity called Dorje Shugden. I am not a Tibetan Buddhist but I have read extensively about this controversy because it has led to disruption of Wikipedia on a number of occasions over the years. This will not be permitted. Because new editors are engaged in edit warring and extremist commentary on this article, I have semi-protected the article for one week. This article will not be a hagiography and it will not be a hit piece. It will be written from the neutral point of view, and the proper place to develop consensus and neutral content is Talk:Gangchen Tulku Rinpoche. I understand that this man died of COVID-19. My condolences to his followers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:21, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Requesting support

 Deferred to Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab world#Members

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi every one,

Well,Now I created a page Qisas (disambiguation) although I am not expert in Arabic to English transliteration. I tried to contact few Arabic knowing editors but they were not aware kind of disambiguation problems can arise when single spelling is used for differently meaning words.

So can some help out on bringing in more Arabic to English transliteration issues and disambiguation issues knowing editors on board

and also help needed in fact checking of the page content since I made it with bit of guess work some one needs to look in to it for accuracy.

Thanks for tea, warm regards and greetings

Bookku (talk) 11:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Bookku and welcome to the Teahouse, perhaps a member of the Wikiproject Arab can help you out... have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arab_world#Members. Hope I was helpful, CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks, It's nice of you. Have a good day and greetings Bookku (talk) 02:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

why an old page which was active for some years in subject to deletion?

Sidebar

 Joyab (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Joyab: Our notability standards don't have a Grandfather clause. Mistakes that have gone unnoticed do not become correct with time. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=edit&section=110

But the sources are from IMDB, festivals around the world and newspapers, what else can be more reliable source that festivals and newspapers and IMDB?!Joyab (talk) 00:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)JOYAB

@Joyab: IMDb hasn't been considered reliable for a while due to it using user-generated content. No comment on festivals. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Joyab: See Wikipedia:Citing IMDb for more information. GoingBatty (talk) 03:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Rejection: British Nuclear Medicine Society

 Courtesy link: Draft:British Nuclear Medicine Society

Hi, An article that I created was rejected for the second time, and the reason provided was "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies."

The first time it was rejected, I was asked to add more independent references to show visibility. I did. I think it is written from a neutral point of view and not from an advertising point of view as I am not linked to this organisation. Also, I think it also cites numerous (around 10 sources + external links - not enough?) independent, reliable, published sources; therefore, it is not clear why it has been rejected? What am I missing? My article is very similar to this one - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Association_of_Nuclear_Medicine

Any suggestions? Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Earthianyogi (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: While I can see how it is neutrally worded, I can see how the reviewer took it as promotional as well. The lead section:

The British Nuclear Medicine Society (BNMS) is the only independent forum devoted to all aspects of Nuclear Medicine. The aim of the Society is the advancement of science and public education in Nuclear Medicine that would benefit patients. It currently has over 600 members.

uses the word "only", which is generally an intensifier used to emphasise that the product (in ad copy) is essential. The second sentence is worded like a mission statement one would find on the organisation's page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Earthianyogi and welcome to the Teahouse. Such text as }The British Nuclear Medicine Society (BNMS) is the only independent forum devoted to all aspects of Nuclear Medicine. The aim of the Society is the advancement of science and public education in Nuclear Medicine that would benefit patients. It currently has over 600 members. sounds rather promotional to me, particularly "only independent forum" and the sentence about the "aim" which should probably be marked as a quote from a Society publication, not given in Wikipedia's voice. We don't proclaim what a group's motives are, we can indicate what a group says its motives are, and what others say about it. The phrase which can be purchased from Amazon website or Springer website should go, that is a clear advertisement. Just give the ISBN and people can find it for themselves if they so choose. Also, everything in the draft seems to be from the PoV of the society, nothing about how others have seen it or reacted to it, good or bad.

Also, when you cite a book-length work, please provide a page number (or numbers if more than 1 page applises). Ideally provide a page number any time you cite a paginated work. See my recent edit to the draft. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh, Earthianyogi, note the draft has bene declined, not rejected. This is a subtle but important difference. "Declined" means "This isn't ready yet, here is what needs to be changed, please try again". "Rejected" means "This wiull never be a Wikipedia article, stop wasting your time and ours." DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, & Tenryuu Thank you all. The reviewer also suggested that "the section 'Awards and Fellowships' has no sources and is just promotional". How do I get around this problem? _ I have added a link, but not sure if it will be enough?

Also, something very interesting happened - someone just copied this content and used it on another website https://en.everybodywiki.com/British_Nuclear_Medicine_Society. The website says " This page was last edited on 25 May 2020, at 08:01." This is just unbelievable. Cheers Earthianyogi (talk) 21:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi you get around that by providing independent sources that discuss these awards. However, if the rest of the text is more clearly neutral, and the list of awards is at least sourced to the society's own site, and is fairly short, it might pass. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

All Wikipedia text, including drafts is released under the CC-BY-SA license, and anyone in the world may use or modify and use any such text for any purpose at all, provided only that proper credit is given. People will copy things from Wikipedia without warning or notice. If you can't accept that, don't post here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, & Tenryuu Yes, I got it, thanks. Would a senior editor be kind enough to review by updates in accordance with the reviewer's comments? Cheers Earthianyogi (talk) 21:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, This article has been declined three times now, and I am not sure why it does not fulfil the notability requirements. I have read this wiki link: Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:British_Nuclear_Medicine_Society . However, I am not sure why the following list is not enough? What more an organisation needs to have enough notability?

References

JOURNAL PUBLICATIONS/CONFERENCE POSTERS: 1. Competencies and training of radiographers and technologists for PET/MR imaging - a study from the UK MR-PET network" European Journal of Hybrid Imaging. 4 (1): 1. doi:10.1186/s41824-019-0070-6. ISSN2510-3636. (2020). 2. Clinical trials in molecular radiotherapy—Tribulations and Triumphs Report of the NCRI CTRad meeting held at the Lift Islington, 8 June 2018 : https://www.birpublications.org/doi/abs/10.1259/bjr.20190117?journalCode=bjr 3. Evaluation of Radiopharmaceutical Adverse Reaction Reports to the British Nuclear Medicine Society from 2007 to 2016: http://jnm.snmjournals.org/content/58/12/2010.short 4. Quality assurance in myocardial perfusion tomography: a collaborative BNCS/BNMS audit programme. British Nuclear Cardiology Society/British nuclear Medicine Society. https://europepmc.org/article/med/10581589 5. A survey of nuclear cardiological practice in Great Britain https://heart.bmj.com/content/heartjnl/67/3/273.full.pdf 6. 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Thank you for your help. Earthianyogi (talk) 01:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: It's best to ask on Sulfurboy's talk page for further clarification (make sure to follow the rules he posted at the top of his page). He cites WP:SIGCOV as the reason for declining the draft. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Source credit

I am attempting to write a book about my family during WWII. I use a lot of information that I read on Wikipedia. Do I have to give source credit to this information. If so, how do I do it? Thanks 2601:205:8300:D6B0:F031:D97F:911C:F94B (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. If you are taking information from Wikipedia, yes, you must attribute your information to Wikipedia. The full page for doing so is here at WP:CITEWIKI. However, like the page suggests, it's better to go through the relevant articles, find the sources used, and cite those sources instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello 2601:20..., if you want to copy the text from one or more Wikipedia articles into a work you intend to publish, please consider the page, WP:COPYRIGHT, especially the section Reusers' rights and obligations.

If you only intend to cite Wikipedia for information you've included in your own words, it is more a question about writing books than about Wikipedia. You don't have to cite Wikipedia or any other source for that matter except when you quote or paraphrase a source, but the Wikipedia article on Citation is worth a read too. Rest of what I would add is on the page that Tenryuu linked. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Issues with signature

Resolved

 – "Treat the above as wiki markup" in Preferences was checked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi i am having issues signing my name, I used the fore dashes but it comes out as BigRed606 04:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC) And does not give a link to my page. BigRed606 04:47, 30 May 2020

@BigRed606: To clarify, you used ~~~~, right? Did you perhaps check the box in Special:Preferences that says "Treat the above as wiki markup" in the User profile section? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes it check but it still does not link it to my page. And yes I did do ~~~~ BigRed606 05:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I fixed it I had it checked instead of not being checked thanks for the help. BigRed606 (talk) 05:16, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@BigRed606: Glad to hear your problem has been resolved. That checkbox is there for people to make small tweaks to their signature (like me). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:19, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

New article submitted

 Courtesy link: Draft:Anup Kumar Prashar

Hi, Can someone help me edit my current article on wikipedia. It is due for approval. Himanshuaroraa (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Himanshuaroraa: Your draft is currently in the review backlog. If there are any interested editors they will contribute. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Have you had any recent interactions with the Wikipedia editor Itsanupkumar?--Quisqualis (talk) 08:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:The Goodwin Family

 Courtesy link: Draft:The Goodwin Family

Hello wikipedians, ive only been a wikipedia user for less than 3 months and just have a question about the Article that i have submitted but was rejected due to the following reasons:

The Article submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and WP is not the place for memorials.

The Article i have created was about the Draft:Goodwin Family and they are famous for boarding the Titanic as 3rd class passengers and unfortunately all died during the sinking. I have referenced and cited sources that are reliable, if not more than efficient enough to support this statement but however, i seem to have been greeted with disappointment as my article has been rejected due to the reasons that i have previously mentioned. I investigated and searched for the error that i have made leading to the rejection of the article. I have found the WP:NOTMEMORIAL shortcut page when i was visiting the Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not article on WP. I searched deeper to the true reason why my article was rejected. Then i looked up the 5 pillars of Wikipedia, in which i tried to find the reason why my article submission was contrary to the pourpose of Wikipedia. I didnt use my opinions on the page and i certainly did not use the Family's demise to memorialize or disrespect them in any possible way, although i did mention that there was a location in which theres a memorial sight of the family but ive also used reliable sources to prove that there is a certain location in which there was a memorial sight for the family, and again, i did not use my opinions as the primary data. I repeat, i did not use the familys death to share my original thoughts, and point of view, and did not use my opinions and feelings as the original statement. Sorry if i was wrong on my objection as these articles are my first ones that i have ever created, but please feel free to correct me if you find the true error. The Goodwin Family are truly one of the famous families of the Titanic as they were the passengers that boarded there. Benedict2005 (talk) 09:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Being on the Titanic does not be itself make people notable. If you look at Passengers of the RMS Titanic - where the Goodwins are listed - some people in first class, and fewer in second class, have articles about them. Very, very few for third class. There are also weaknesses in what you wrote (for each family member you named the other family members), but the major reason is the complete lack of notability other than having perished on the Titanic. The exception is the youngest member of the family, as his recovered body was buried as The Unknown Child. The Goodwin family is described, with photograph, there. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I retrieve the data of my speedy deleted article?

I want to retrieve the data of my speedy deleted article Neelkanth Patang - The Revolving Restaurant. I want to improve it and publish through AfC (If it fits in Wikipedia guidelines). Please read this previous conversation with deleting administrator. बृहस्पति (talk) 09:10, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, बृहस्पति. Had I seen that you put a considerable amount of work into the draft that Seraphimblade deleted, I might have felt there could be justification to email you a copy of your draft. But, honestly, it's was four-sentence stub that anybody could rewrite in a few moments from the two references you used. ("Limca Book of Records: India at Her Best" and this online source: www.hcp.co.in/project/chinubhai-centre-and-patang-hotel) The coordinates you used were 23.026188 72.572188. I think Seraphimblade's point was that they hope you do not just rewrite those four sentences and submit through WP:AFC, but base anything in future on better and much more detailed sources. See this notability guideline for companies and organisations to get a sense of what is and is not likely to be accepted into Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Expanding Article

Blocked

 – OP blocked for block evasion and disruptive editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

-Contents deleted by adminstrator- Aryashahnaughty6p (talk) 12:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

This editor has been adding this self-infobox to Wikipedia Reference Desks, own User page, own Talk page, here at Teahouse, elsewhere. Warned on Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)See the deleted post at the Language reference desk. The article "Arya Shah" cannot be created because it has been salted (stated to be because the subject is not notable). 80.44.94.173 (talk) 12:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I have wrapped the post in <nowiki> and <pre> tags so the infobox doesn’t appear here. Brianjd (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

And I have deleted their user page and have removed their demo Infobox here. No need for a minor to post their details. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

And this minor's disruptive editing has now caused them to be blocked per WP:NOTHERE— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Moyes (talk • contribs)

Turns out it was block evasion this whole time, looks like some sort of LTA from other projects. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes- I've just been looking back through their various personae and came to the same conclusion. Different user info each time, but will keep an eye out for any user page entries for 'Aryashah' or 'Arya shah' in future. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Aryashahnaught, User:Aryashahnaughty, User:Aryashahnaughtyyyy are 3 others who have been globally blocked, as has User:Kbshah6p. Obviously a serial offender. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Yakahiro Toshikawa

Hey, I tried to create a new article in The English name space about a Japanese pianist ( Takahiro Yoshikawa) residing in Italy after I saw a performance. As the Japanese article was a stub, I figured I could start with a well documented English article and then translate it into Italian and leave a comment in the Japanese namespace for somebody to rescue the local version.

So, given that my first new article has brought me a fair share of trouble (accusations of COI, automatic deletion, manual PFD, let’s say a very mixed experience), I tried to be a good citizen and beefed it up with references and everything and I feel it’s a good article now.

Wikipedia deletion process states: If you disagree: Any editor who disagrees with a proposed deletion can simply remove the tag. Even after the page is deleted, any editor can have the page restored by any administrator simply by asking. In both cases, the editor is encouraged to fix the perceived problem with the page. It is also desirable to add {{old prod}}, or {{old prod full}} which can display more details, at the top of the article's talk page (or beneath WikiProject banners).

So can I now delete the deletion tag? I hear very mixed voices about that ranging from no (only admins can) to yes (be bold) including the midway alley (don’t intervene with the discussion process. It’s a little bit confusing!!! What should I do? }} Fthobe (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Fthobe. There’s a difference between a article being proposed or prodded for deletion and an article being nominated for deletion. An article that is prodded for deletion can be WP:DEPRODded by simply removing the {{proposed deletion}} template from the article. Once that’s done (even if done in bad faith), the proposed deletion is considered contentious and the article cannot be prodded again. At this point, anyone who still feels the article should be deleted will need to nominate it for deletion so that the community can discuss whether it should be deleted. That’s where things are at with respect to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Takahiro Yoshikawa and it will be the consensus established via that discussion which will determine what to do. So, no you shouldn’t remove the deletion template from the article. It will be removed by the administrator or editor you closes the discussion. — Marchjuly (talk) 15:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

You are reading the wrong part of Wikipedia:Deletion policy. This isn't a "Proposed deletion" (prod); it is a "Deletion discussion" (AFD). It clearly states in the notice on the article: "... this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed." --David Biddulph (talk) 15:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Has my draft been improved enough?

My draft was declined because I had stated she was both a dancer and an actress. However, reflecting on that I have removed “actress” because 1) she is a qualified ballet dancer 2) she has starred in quite a few few films and videos, but in a few of them she was not credited.

Although she is most known for being David Bowie’s girlfriend in the late 1960s, she also influenced a few of his songs, she was in a band (with Bowie), she has had independent notability by starring in a few films in her own right and not just Bowie’s music videos. She is a trained ballet dancer and was a member of Lindsay Kemp’s theatre. Also, she is cited on the British Theatre Institute (BFI) website for her roles in films. A quick Google search shows that she’s clearly more notable than just simply one of Bowie’s exes and the French Wikipedia has an article about her.

I have used a wide variety of sources. Can anyone check out my draft and tell me if it’s acceptable to resubmit now? EsotericJoe (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

EsotericJoe, I would caution that notability is not inherited. Lovers, siblings, parents, etc. of famous people are not automatically notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. In this case, I note that every single one of the sources is in the context of David Bowie. Still, you have improved the article since your last submission, so you could submit it again. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 15:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: Granted that the sources cited to her involvement with Bowie’s music videos, the band he and she were involved in for a short while are predominantly also referring to Bowie, but that is almost impossible to avoid since he was also the main focus (his music videos, his songs, and she was once upon a time his girlfriend). But, I have also cited sources with regards to her career in films.--EsotericJoe (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about requesting a change to an article image

Hi, please forgive me but this is the first time I'm using Wikpedia in this way, and it can get quite confusing & complicated so again please forgive me for any errors or doing something wrong

My question is in regards to the Wikipedia Article about King Henry VII of England - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_VII_of_England

Several years ago, in the talk section, I suggested changing the main image of King Henry the VII to, what I believe, to be a much better image, more specially this one - Better quality picture

Now I did get a reply from someone, giving their opinion on the suggested change, but they preferred the image that's currently being used, and it's kinda been left at that with no further editor replies

So my question is, what can I do to get more/request more opinions on this suggested change? Since I really do believe the suggested new image is, by far, a superior one than the current image being used & I'd like to get a 3rd, maybe 4th opinion on the matter. Though if multiple editors do agree the current image is better, then I will happily accept the decision not to replace the image.

Again, I apologise for the lack of knowledge of how things work on here, hence this question I am asking!

Thanks 2A02:C7F:40D6:400:E569:C2C9:6C5D:121F (talk) 00:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. I see that this image is found on a website like SellingAntiques, which means it is very likely copyrighted. Do you know if it would stand up to Wikipedia's WP:NONFREE criteria? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:40, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply.

My father actually discovered & owns that picture, and is more than happy to allow Wikipedia free use of the image indefinitely, should it be decided that the image in the should be replaced.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:40D6:400:E569:C2C9:6C5D:121F (talk) 00:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Determining which painting of a man who lived 500 years ago is "far superior" is a highly subjective exercise. I see that you are commenting at Talk: Henry VII of England, and that is good. But you are commenting on an old section so I suggest that you start a new talk page section instead. You may want to sign up for a Wikipedia account and begin a Request for comment which will draw in uninvolved editors. You should upload the painting you like to Wikimedia Commons so that the actual image instead of a link can be evaluated side by side with the current painting.

Here are factors that lead me to believe that the current painting is preferable: Most important, the current painting was created when Henry VII was alive, and the king almost certainly sat for the portrait. The painting by Holbein the Younger must have been painted long after the death of the king who died in 1509 when the painter was a child, and he did not come to England until 1526. So, the likeness of the painting now in the article is probably superior. Also, the current painting focuses tightly on the king's face, while the Holbein painting shows 3/4 of his body. Portrait style photos or paintings emphasizing the face are best for biographies, in my opinion. Other opinions may vary. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:04, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

 2A02:A03F:651C:B100:3CB1:DAED:A956:ECF9 (talk) 01:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

IP editor, you should know that allowing Wikipedia use of the image isn't enough; images used here can be taken and used on other sites. Commons:Email templates has an interactive release generator that can guide you should you wish to release the image to the Wikimedia foundation. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

IP editor, thanks for making your WP:COI clear. I have replied again at the article talk. Frankly this is all nonsense. User:Cullen328, it is wildly premature to suggest an RFC. Holbein's original was destroyed in a fire in the 1680's, as is well known - this is a copy of that, probably later still. Johnbod (talk) 02:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing with me that the current image is better, Johnbod, and educating me about the provenance of the proposed replacement. I also appreciate you highlighting the conflict of interest. As for the idea of an RFC, that is the type of process that new editors who read Teahouse posts may find useful. I was not recommending it as much as making it known. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for all your replies, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

So to Wikipedia standards, the suggested image is not a better candidate that the current main image, from the size to style, and I accept this judgement.

However, would Wikipedia editors consider including the image somewhere further down in the article as a secondary image?

The painting is 15th century, in the Studio of Hans Holbein.

We also believe there's a chance/possibility that this painting is a surviving part of the original Tudor mural that was destroyed in a fire, hence one side of the painting being completely black & repainted, and we're currently making preparations & arrangements to have the painting fully investigated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:40D6:400:3843:B54A:9B21:1D7B (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Assuming the painting is as old as it seems, then copyright is not an issue. You can upload images of the picture to commons.wikimedia.org.

It's clear that this is a painting of much interest to both the art world and to historians, I look forward to seeing images of the painting before and after cleaning and/or restoration. Any tomography etc. would also be potentially useful. If this transpires to be part of the Holbein work, unlikely as that may seem, it might very well be worth creating an article about. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

changing my global username

without much thought i have created account on meta w/username: vishnuvardhan52452. however, i would like to rename my username. should i deactivate on meta or create rename my existing username to : vishnuvardhan 52452. please advice. Leela52452 (talk) 04:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Leela52452, welcome to the Teahouse. Please have a close look at Wikipedia:Changing_username, the necessary procedures are described into detail. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:39, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

You should be able to simply use the account you want to preserve everywhere. It's a good idea to stop using the discarded one altogether though, as people sometimes get a little antsy about these things. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:23, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

DMY or MDY?

Resolved

 – By convention, first format used is kept per MOS:DATERETAIN in general circumstances. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

On Journey to the Savage Planet: The developer is from Canada which uses MDY, but the publisher is from Italy which uses DMY. Anyone know which prevails in this case? SK2242 (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi SK2242. Unless it's a clear case of MOS:DATETIES (which I'm not sure it is just based on the info you've provided), then probably MOS:DATERETAIN is a good thing to follow. You can always start a discussion about this at Talk:Journey to the Savage Planet to see what others think and see if there's a consensus to retain or change the existing format. You can even ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games to see if the same thing has come up before with respect to other video games. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. SK2242 (talk) 14:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Note that Canada is treated as using both MDY and DMY. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

Delete Account

Hello I wanted to add some content about my historic home on the historic registry for Seattle and include some pictures, so I created an account. I am in way over my head! I would still like to submit some content or images, but I really want to delete my account for JeffreyDesigns. I can't figure out how to do that. Can you help please? Thank you Jeffrey JeffreyDesigns (talk) 19:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@JeffreyDesigns: Wikipedia accounts don't get deleted, though there's nothing stopping you from abandoning the account or getting a WP:RENAME. The latter object is global, so your username would change in projects like WikiBooks and Wikiquotes as well. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of life span (other than the subject's) in a biography

Resolved

 – Birth/death years not provided unless contextually relevant. (MOS:BIRTHDATE) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a policy regarding whether to include in a biography the birth and death years of people other than the subject of the article? An example is "Her English father, Reginald Michael Bloxam Hallward (known as Michael Hallward; 1889-1982) was an architect and author; her Scottish mother, Jean (or Jeanne) McDougall, who used the stage name Jean Grahame (1890-1984), was a British stage actress and acting teacher.[3] The couple had an older daughter, Joy Hallward (1911–2003), ..." (from Gloria Grahame#Early life).

I know that we are not supposed to post a question in more than one place, but this one has had no response since I posted it in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography on May 1. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Teblick: MOS:BIRTHDATE states "birth and death details are not included after a name except in a case of special contextual relevance". It's perfectly find to post the same question somewhere else if you haven't received a response in weeks. GoingBatty (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

GoingBatty, Thanks for pointing me to that part of the Manual of Style. I'm glad to have a point of reference, and I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

PhD thesis citation error

Resolved

 – OP pointed to appropriate help page to resolve group refs without references. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, An editor just left a note the page "PET for bone imaging" that differential equations need citations. I added my PhD thesis; however, the page shows an error in red colour as "Cite error: There are <ref group=PhD Thesis> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a

template (see the help page)."

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 17:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Earthianyogi (talk) 17:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

In that error message, the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error group refs without references. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:15, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Resolved. Thanks, David. Earthianyogi (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi, just in case you are not aware, WP:SELFCITE has a guideline on adding your own work as citations. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:44, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

... and another editor has removed the "reference", as an unpublished work does not meet the requirement for verifiability. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool and :David Biddulph, thanks to both of you. I cited my thesis because another editor asked for citation for the solution to the differential equations, and I thought my thesis would be the most accessible reference. However, I am not aware of a paper where they may have solved it as it is quite basic. I leave to others to find a reference and cite here if they think it needs one. My thesis was published in 5 parts as papers, but not as a whole book. I think it does not qualify as a reference. So citing my thesis was a mistake. Thanks for directing me in the right direction. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthianyogi (talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Note Solutions to DEs outside maths articles probably don't need cites, since they should be checkable by anyone. On the flip side it is quite right that theses are generally best avoided. WP:MEDRS places more onerous requirements on citations, though they apply in a specific way. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

Rich Farmbrough, thank you. Earthianyogi (talk) 20:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Why page Created was deleted

Why the page I created was deleted Ashiskhemka007 (talk) 16:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ashiskhemka007: The reason User:Ashiskhemka007 was deleted is given on your talk page in the message that you responded to: the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I thought it was one type of encyclopedia and we can give the details what is the use if it is chargeable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashiskhemka007 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ashiskhemka007. I'm afraid I have no idea what you are trying to say. --ColinFine (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding italicized items to category pages

I noticed that on the page for 2017 live albums (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_live_albums), there are some items that are italicized (such as Jane Live). How can I add an italicized item to this page? Thanks. 108.18.151.170 (talk) 15:50, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

The italicized items are redirects. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I create a redirect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.151.170 (talk) 17:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps you don't understand what a redirect is? See WP:Redirect. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I understand what a redirect is. Perhaps you didn't understand my first two questions? I will try to be as clear as possible. Carrie Underwood has a live album called Carrie Underwood: The Storyteller Tour - Stories in the Round. There is no Wikipedia page for that live album, but the live album is mentioned on the page for Storyteller Tour: Stories in the Round (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storyteller_Tour:_Stories_in_the_Round). I would like to create a redirect page for the live album similar to this one (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jane_Live&redirect=no) so I can add the live album by Carrie Underwood to this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_live_albums). Does that make sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.151.170 (talk) 19:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

To learn how to make a redirect, please see Help:Redirect. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 22:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Citing Pages in a Multi-Page Document vs. Only Including Said Pages in a Subset Document

I have an instance where an outside source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promessa_Organic) has suggested including a cover letter and only certain pages (Page 77 and 79) in a .pdf file documenting a 'Proof of Concept' test relating to promession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promession), and I am questioning the validity of that approach, as opposed to citing those pages in the reference in the (existing) WP article, but including the whole document in a .pdf. The whole document is currently of undetermined length (I just haven't asked how long it is) and was written by an external company to the outside source. The .pdf document (whether the 3-pager or the whole thing) would be stored by Promessa and referenced by a URL in the WP article. The problems with their approach, as I see it, include:

• The pages in the current short .pdf document mainly contain images of a test result, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of other images that may give conflicting test results.
• WP users wanting to validate information relating to the test can't see any (unknown) context around the test that may or may not be in Pages 1-76, 78 and 80-end.

Basically, I think the whole document - currently only in paper form as I understand it - should be converted to a .pdf and included by Promessa. BrettA343 (talk) 04:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly's response from Archive added by BrettA343.

Hi BrettA343. Your question seems to be a mix of multiple questions involving various policies and guidelines, so I'm not sure what you're trying to ask or where to start. Sources cited in Wikipedia articles need to meet WP:RS and not be WP:UNDUE. If a source is deemed reliable for Wikipedia's purposes, all that it needs to be is published and accessible so that anyone who wants to verify the accuracy of the source can do so. The source doesn't need to be readily available online and it can even be behind a WP:PAYWALL or otherwise cost a fee to see as long as it can be verified by someone who wants to do so; so, there's no need to upload an entire document or link to an entire document for verification purposes as long as it's possible to verify in other ways as explained in WP:SAYWHERE. Being available online and in its entirety certainly makes a source easier to assess, but it's not something that's required. Finally, official documents, etc. often fall under WP:PRIMARY and although they can sometimes be cited, there are limitations to how they can be used. So, the first thing you might need to do is assess the reliability of the source itself and determine whether it's a PRIMARY or WP:SECONDARY source based on the the way its being used. The place to discuss such a thing would be on the relevant article's talk page or at WP:RSN. Once it's be determined whether the source is reliable, then perhaps the next thing to figure out would be to how best cite it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BrettA343 (talk • contribs)

Sorry for the confusion @Marchjuly:, I thought I was clear. It wasn't meant to be a mix of multiple questions, just, as the Subject line states: A vs. B... i.e. Citing Pages in a Document vs. Including Only Those Pages in a Subset. And in the body, I just switched A and B and had: B as opposed to A... i.e. Including only 3 pages as opposed to citing those pages in the whole document. And there were no other questions that I see, just my choice of including the whole document. As a newbie, what would really help me perhaps to clarify my writing and save time for everyone in the long term, is for you to list the mix of multiple questions you got from my post - I still only see one. TIA.

Anyway, it's now been just over two weeks since I last emailed Promessa and I'm wondering if they're still interested - I've heard nothing from them. I'll probably let this thread get archived if they don't answer in time, but I thank you for all the WP links you provided - they did help me. Cheers, BrettA343 (talk) 01:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why I thought what I thought when I posted my original reply, but I don't think it matters now. Since that time, it appears that others have tried to help you out; so, perhaps they were better able to understand what you were asking. If not and you still have some questions, you can always start another Teahouse discussion and ask them again. If you'd like to refer to this thread in any further discussions, all you really need to do is provide a link to it for reference; you don't need to copy-and-paste comments from it into the new discussion. If fact, you should probably avoid doing the latter because it may just make things confusing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Has the document been published by a reputable publisher, BrettA343? If not, the article probably shouldn't be citing it at all. It doesn't matter whether a resource is online or not: what matters is that it has been published, so that in principle (eg via a major library) a reader could obtain a copy.

Certain information can come from the subject's own website (see PRIMARY), but it doesn't sound as if the information in question is appropriately sourced, from your description. --ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, @ColinFine:, I don't know (and you don't say, though I wish you would) just what in my description gives you the idea that it isn't appropriately sourced. I'm still waiting for more than the 3 pages I got on 14 May (as I intimated, even I don't think they're appropriate for a variety of reasons), but you seem to take a harder stance than I get from reading WP:RS and the like. For instance, it states:

"Source reliability falls on a spectrum: highly reliable sources, clearly unreliable sources, and many in the middle. Editors must use their judgment to draw the line between usable and unreliable sources.", and

"The term "published" is most commonly associated with text materials, either in traditional printed format or online; however, audio, video, and multimedia materials that have been recorded then broadcast, distributed, or archived by a reputable party may also meet the necessary criteria to be considered reliable sources."

"It is convenient, but by no means necessary, for the archived copy to be accessible via the Internet."

The first quote is self-explanatory, I think, and note that the second quote says both 'online' and 'reputable party', not 'reputable publisher'. It's my understanding that the party conducting the 'Proof of Concept' tests for Promessa is indeed reliable and reputable with usable source, and definitely a third-party / independent party not affiliated with Promessa except for these tests. I'm still unclear on the exact relationship between the two, but have asked those questions. The third quote indicates to me that - as at least I would expect - online access is preferable to "a major library" (though both would be ideal), not only because many people can't readily get to a major library, but it's got to be awfully major to hold every test and report conducted in every country around the world... Sweden, in this case.

You seem to shoot them down prematurely, IMHO, while I'm just waiting to find out answers and hopefully see the whole document so I can, as WP:RS says, "use my judgement" (plus I'm writing snippets of responses timed so that my 48 hour limit doesn't run out). BrettA343 (talk) 02:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, BrettA343. I wasn't clear, because your description leaves unstated various points. It is not clear to me whether or not the PDF in question has been published - which, as you point out, is not necessarily clearcut. It is now common for materials to circulate on the internet whose provenance is unclear, and in some cases in varying versions: when have such things been published?

If the report is available only from the subject of the article, it is at best self-published. If the subject and not the originator publishes the report, there is no way for a reader to tell whether the subject might have altered or (for example) cherry picked the document. I know nothing of Promessa, and have no reason to doubt their good faith; but in general this is a concern. But I am happy to wait and see how it looks when you have the document and have decided how to reference it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:24, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello @ColinFine:. Well, of course my "description leaves unstated (a great many) various points". It wasn't meant to be a question dealing with all aspects of publishing and sourcing, just, as the Subject line states: A vs. B... Citing Pages in a Document vs. Including Only Those Pages. Being a relative newbie, however, I don't mind being pointed to areas that need consideration and your note on cherry-picking is relevant here. Indeed, I asked Promessa, back on May 14, if there there was missing context in the 3-pager: "Are there any writings that discusses these pictures or perhaps gives some caveats to them in the rest of the document?", plus about a dozen other questions. And of course, I have yet to decide whether to reference it - how to reference it is not yet under consideration! So I'm pleased that you're now 'happy to wait' as there isn't much other choice. Cheers! BrettA343 (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Archiving

FYI

 – breaking this out as a separate subsection for ease of reading. If you don't like this reorganization, please revert this edit. GoingBatty (talk) 06:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: What a complete and utter waste of time Wikipedia's archiving bot (Munninbot) makes of this Teahouse sometimes. It archived my question (above) "because there was no discussion for a few days" when I entered it on May 14 and it's only May 16 now (i.e. a "couple of days" is not "a few days"). I'm dealing with a company in Sweden re this matter and am waiting on a related response to an email I sent to them on the 14th, Marchjuly's first response gave me lots to look up, I'm not full time on this and I sleep sometimes. And why is MY question archived anyway? I see questions that have been dormant since May 10!

What's the hurry re archiving after only 2 days (or even "a few days" when the last response has questions)? Timing of this bot should be corrected. BrettA343 (talk) 20:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC) BrettA343 (talk) 20:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@BrettA343: It appears that the bot that archives this page is Lowercase sigmabot III. It looks at the User:MiszaBot/config at the top of the Teahouse code, which is set to archive after 48 hours of inactivity. You mentioned that there are discussions that haven't had activity since 10 May that haven't been archived. I think part of the issue is that the #Deletion of file section was not signed properly. I've added {{unsigned}} to that post, in the hopes that the bot will archive a lot of the old discussions. GoingBatty (talk) 22:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@BrettA343: The discussions last updated on 10 May have now been archived. Thanks for bringing the problem to our attention! GoingBatty (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: You're welcome about 'bringing the problem to your attention', but can I also suggest you change the message from "a few days" to "48 hours"? Or even better, archive after a few days (please specify how many days you've chosen)? I find myself having to pace my responses so the 48 hours doesn't 'catch me' again because I'm still waiting for Promessa's reply to my email (it's another time-waster). BrettA343 (talk) 04:42, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

@BrettA343: The top of this page states "Completed questions are archived within 3 days." The bot runs once a day and archives everything with no response for more than 48 hours, so I believe this statement is accurate. Could you please mention exactly where you see the verbiage "a few days"? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @GoingBatty:, I've been getting the quote to which I refer ever since I started here - it's from Muninnbot and is part of the archive process under a heading Your thread has been archived. It states: "Hi BrettA343! You created a thread called < NAME OF THREAD >. at Wikipedia:Teahouse, but it has been archived because there was no discussion for a few days. You can still find the archived discussion here. If you have any additional questions that weren't answered then, please create a new thread". No mention of the 48-hour limit. BrettA343 (talk) 04:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

@BrettA343: Ah, now I understand. You're referring to the messages that are being left on your user talk page. That message is a template located at User:Muninnbot/Teahouse archival notification. You're welcome to make a proposal for different wording at User talk:Muninnbot/Teahouse archival notification or a new section here at the Teahouse that isn't buried inside this other discussion. Thank you for helping me understand. GoingBatty (talk) 06:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

why did you undo my stuff?

 2601:14D:4002:86F0:7C53:5D0E:C98:7410 (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

We undo all stupid edits! Diff. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, WP:INSULT Ed6767 (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Ed6767, Nick Moyes did not insult the OP, he characterised an edit that the OP had made, quite accurately in my view. AGF does not prohibit us from calling a spade a spade. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.72.102 (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Because what you added to an article was stupid: "and he actually discovered aliens species on the moon. He also could turn into different animals like an animangus which is in the movie harry potter." David notMD (talk) 00:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

May you join voting to save new article about situation with disabled rights in Russia

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May you join voting to save new article about situation with disabled rights in Russia May you guys join voting to save new article re disabled rights in Russia Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled. I written new article, but all want to delete this because they say there is necessity on Wikipedia to write about the disabled in Russia, also title ridiculous and too long. Thanks a lot. PoetVeches (talk) 23:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC) PoetVeches (talk) 23:05, 30 May 2020 (UTC) @PoetVeches: Welcome to Wikipedia. You may mean well, but you should not be soliciting input to keep the article. See Wikipedia:Canvassing. It is ok to let people know about the deletion discussion, but not in a way that encourages support for one side or the other. RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC) @RudolfRed: But then you may choose "delete", of course, that's precisely what I meant. But when I am author, I may yet promote my new article, I suppose. How can I say please help "delete" my article? :)) PoetVeches (talk) 23:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC) @RudolfRed: It's not soliciting, to say precisely, I am a bit puzzled the desire to delete article about Russian disabled without any criteria, in all, it's strange to delete article without criteria, that what I wanted to say also. It's even strange. If in your country, example Kenya, dozens people died from COVID-19 in care home, and you decide to write about it, but administiring users would say: there is no necessity about it, - you suspected it somehow connected with Kenya Government, that what I wanted to say: or you call clear criteria for deletion, or you not put deletion template, or it's Kenyan officials filtering Wikipedia on censorship point of view, because they believe all Tutsi or Huti tribes must die as sacrifice for Woodoo-Hoodoo. PoetVeches (talk) 23:53, 30 May 2020 (UTC) @PoetVeches: The point I need to get through to you - bluntly if needs be- is that hundreds of articles are put up for a deletion discussion every day, and we simply cannot allow the Teahouse to be buried with requests from you and every other every editor to comment on their article's deletion proposal. There is already a perfectly good way for people to watch what articles are flagged up. That place is at WP:AFD, and not here. So please don't do that again, OK? And going to any forum/Project page etc and saying "go save my article" is also definitely not OK. The fact of a deletion discussion happening can be mentioned there in a neutral manner, and the place to discuss criteria is at that deletion discussion. If you are puzzled, go and discuss it there, please, and not here. (You will by now have seen that I have copy edited your article to improve its English just a little bit, but then commented at the WP:AFD discussion that I think your article should be merged into another pre-existing one, and yours draftified to be worked on in the months ahead, if necessary. It is WP:TOOSOON for a standalone page.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)   @Nick Moyes: No, I think it's OK to waffle on tea house every topic. I say thank you for opinion that you think it's not OK to waffle here. You have your opinion, I have my own. Our opinions are different. Because we enjoy democracy. PoetVeches (talk) 00:15, 31 May 2020 (UTC) @PoetVeches:, Wikipedia is not a free speech forum. It's an encyclopedia project. What do you mean by "waffle"? Do you mean "canvass"? The rules of Wikipedia do not permit canvassing, and if you think that is undemocratic, so be it. Wikipedia uses WP:consensus, rather than a numerical vote, to make decisions. We editors are entitled to our opinions, but must respect the rules we agreed to when we made our accounts or else work to change them. Clearly, any material you have on the subject of Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled is more useful being added to the article on COVID-19 in Russia.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC) (edit conflict)Hi PoetVeches. Please see WP:NOTDEMOCRACY and WP:NOTFREESPEECH for reference when it comes to Wikipedia, but the Teahouse is not really intended as a place for asking others to participate in a WP:AFD discussion. Informing others about an AfD discussion isn't forbidden, but it needs to be done carefully to avoid being seen as WP:CANVASSing. Please see WP:APPNOTE for some suggestions on how to let others know about the AfD discussion without running afoul of any Wikipedia policies or guidelines. Now, if you have a question about the AfD process in general or about Wikipedia in general that falls within the scope of the Teahouse, then you can ask it here and someone will try and help you. Any specific comments about the article being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled, however, should be made in that discussion because that is where any WP:CONSENSUS regarding the article is going to be established. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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Semi protection and accuracy of information

Are articles that are semi protected or protected of a even higher level less likely to have inaccurate information about the subject of the article in question? 47.152.145.95 (talk) 18:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

They may be less likely to be inaccurate because they are less likely to be vandalized. Inaccuracy due to good faith non-vandal edits could still exist. RudolfRed (talk) 18:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

While articles with protection are edited less frequently than their unprotected counterparts, the talk pages are still available to editors who don't have the rights to edit said pages. These editors can leave edit requests on the talk page that with what they want to specifically add/change and a source (if required, which is most of the time). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Request removal of maintenance template "major contributor close connection"

Resolved

 – Maintenance template {{COI}} can be potentially removed if article is cleaned up by uninvolved editors and COI editor suggests edits via WP:EDITREQ. COI declared on talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

As I am the major contributor in question, it looks like another editor must remove this template from the Beryl Bernay article. Could someone please review and do so, and/or if I am mistaken, please lmk. Thank you. Carol Berney Gonzalez (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carol Berney Gonzalez: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems someone believes that you may have a conflict of interest with creating an article on this subject. What kind of relationship do you have with Beryl Bernay, if any? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

It's probably the shared name; but it's best to ask the tagger who's likely to be more intimately familiar and often to have additional insights. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Carol Berney Gonzalez! Please discuss this with Melcous, first and foremost. As the one who added it, they are in the best position to explain what their concerns are and whether they have been allayed. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Carol Berney Gonzalez, since (at the time of writing) you're responsible for over 80% of the text and you literally declared the conflict of interest yourself, I'm not sure which part of "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject" you're disputing. You're not banned from writing about your own family, but experience has shown it's virtually impossible for people to write neutrally about people they're close to in real life since a neutral article requires due recognition of negative aspects as well as positive; Melcous has acted correctly in notifying readers that there's a potential (no more than that) that this article may be biased. ‑ Iridescent 18:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: Carol Berney Gonzalez, your declaration has been noted on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Tenryuu 🐲, Usedtobecool ☎️ and Iridescent for your prompt and helpful responses. Though all Iridescent writes is correct, I thought perhaps after reviewing the article to make sure it meets all appropriate criteria, the template would be removed? It now sounds that the template will be permanent. Am i understanding correctly? Thanks to all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carol Berney Gonzalez (talk • contribs) 19:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@Carol Berney Gonzalez: I suppose the template could be removed if other editors clean the article up and you refrain from directly editing it. You may contribute via edit requests on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Indeed! It can be removed once an independent editor chooses to assess it, cleans it up as necessary, is satisfied it is neutral enough and feels confident that removing it would be a positive. But all editors are volunteers, and none is obligated to do so, certainly not on any schedule. If you continue to edit, it might never happen. There are far too many articles needing attention and comparatively very few editors; and speaking for myself, I don't get motivated to clean any article where my work is likely to be undone again, especially if the state of the article is unlikely to have substantial impact in the real world. Speculating further, I think if you started making WP:Edit Requests as advised above instead of editing it directly, the chances that the tag will be removed soon, improve. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:53, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again Tenryuu 🐲 and Usedtobecool ☎️. If and when I would ever want to edit this article, WP:Edit Requests will be my go to. Carol Berney Gonzalez (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Red Supergiants

 Deferred to WP:RD, WP:SPACE, and a list article

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am interested in making a catalogue of stars above 300 solar radii, do you know any places where I can find solar radii of stars like such? PNSMurthy (talk) 02:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: Welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, the Teahouse is more oriented towards orienting new users in using and editing Wikipedia better. Questions like yours are better answered at the reference desk. Alternatively, WP:SPACE is a WikiProject that covers a lot of stuff in our starry skies, so they may have links to solar radii. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

ThanksPNSMurthy (talk) 03:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: See List of largest stars maybe it has the info you are looking for. RudolfRed (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Inconsisted descriptions of American News Organizations

Why is Fox News described in the very first sentence as 'conservative' when ABC/NBC/CBS and even MSNBC contain no such description? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_News

Surely this is a matter of opinion. I am a new member to Wikipedia and would like learn how such decisions are made. It seems contrary to Wikipedia's stated aims.

Thanks for any help. Who's reality (talk) 03:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Who's reality: All we do here is cite, summarize, and paraphrase professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources, without addition, nor commentary. Neutrality doesn't mean creating false balance between differing claims but giving them weight in proportion to what is found in sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Who's reality: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can also read the discussions on the articles' talk pages (e.g. Talk:Fox News, Talk:MSNBC), where editors should consider everything Ian.thomson mentioned to make suggestions and work towards consensus. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 05:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

How to respond to help answer

Previous discussion : #Need help adding information box to page

Hi,

I am new here and a totally new learner. I have asked a question and received a response, and thought I had replied. However, my response does not show up so I obviously did not reply right.

Here is my prior question and response to my question; Need help adding information box to page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse

And here is the Wiki page my question was regarding; NewsTalkers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TiBUchon/sandbox

I would truly appreciate it if someone could instruct me how to respond to the answers to my questions here.

Thank you. TiBUchon (talk) 18:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC) TiBUchon (talk) 18:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Your previous question, and the answer to it, can be found in the section #Need help adding information box to page above. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:52, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

You can respond to answers by using the "Edit" link at the top of the section. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

• Pinging TiBUchon. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Lotte Giants

¿Podrian agregar más informacion al articulo? He estado investigando sobre este equipo de Baseball de corea y me he dado cuenta de que los jugadores y sus números estan equivocados o no son los jugadores actuales y quisiera saber si alguien podria actualizarlos dejo el link del sitio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotte_Giants DanyJk (talk) 07:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hola DanyJk y bienvenido a Wikipedia Teahouse. Aunque esta es la versión inglesa de Wikipedia, responderé en español por una vez. Puedes hacer cambios en el artículo tú mismo si puedes citar las fuentes relevantes. Si su inglés no es lo suficientemente bueno para esto, escríbame los cambios deseados (con indicación de las fuentes) y con gusto los insertaré por ti. CommanderWaterford (talk) 07:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Which websites are reliable for Wikipedia

Is Quora, Blogger, or WordPress reliable for Wikipedia??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TubeYouTokTik (talk • contribs) 15:25, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@TubeYouTokTik: Welcome to the Teahouse. Honestly, none of them are generally reliable due to most of its content being user-generated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

So which websites are reliable for Wikipedia. TubeYouTokTik (talk) 16:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

see wp:RSP for some examples of both RS and not RS.Slatersteven (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Also see wp:RS --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:09, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

The user has been checkuser blocked.Slatersteven (talk) 09:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Acceptable Username and what can you use the sandbox for?

Resolved

 – Proposed username should be fine, purpose of sandbox explained. (H:SAND) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I saw on someone's page that it said they were banned for pejorative in their username. Is Fearless Lede'r acceptable? I think it is but just checking?

What's the general use of the sandbox? As in are there any sort of unspoken rules I should know about? 2600:6C4E:1200:1E85:E4AA:7A70:7855:2F6B (talk) 02:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. While I will leave the appropriateness of "Fearless Lede'r" for someone who has more experience with usernames to determine, the sandbox is a place for you to test things. Draft content, references, testing templates out, what have you. Almost everything is allowed so long as it's not a copyright violation. More information can be found at H:SAND. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouswe. "Fearless Lede'r" should be an acceptable user name, unless it or something close to it is already taken -- I haven't checked that. Only rather blatantly offensive names are rejected for that reason. However, names of companies are not allowed, as that is considered promotional. Also names that say or imply group use are not allowed, because a Wikipedia account should be for only one person, never shared. There are many custo9ms and practices here, too many to list in this response. A few big ones:

• Don't try to use Wikipedia to promote or praise anyone or anything, including yourself.
• Don't use your user page to write something like an article about yourself.
• Don't copy content found on the net to Wikipedia. It is almost never acceptable.
• If someone reverts (undoes) an edit of yours, do ask why, but don't yell or assume it is ill-intentioned.
• Do come back the the Teahouse with any questions. Don't YELL.

About5 a sandbox. It can be used to practice edits, simple or complex ones. It can also mbe used to start work on new articles,but there are other ways to do that.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Does seem complicated, but it does help. Thank you for the replies.2600:6C4E:1200:1E85:4CA:C3EA:84F7:403 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I use my Sandbox to work on text and referencing content before inserting that into articles. Some new editors put social media type information or essay type information on their User pages, Talk pages and Sandbox. Not appropriate. David notMD (talk) 09:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Help me improve my Draft: Ahmed Emara

Dear All, Its glad to be here at the teahouse. I need some help in improving my draft Draft:Ahmed Emara. I would appreciate if you all can help regarding it.

Thank You Terminatorwil (talk) 16:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Terminatorwil. My question is (because I don't read Arabic}, are any of the sources places where independent commentators have written at length about Emara? The ones in English are not: the report of the RheinBruecke prize looks independent, but does not say anything about him other than that he won it. The other English ones are all clearly his words (in press releases or interviews). Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves (whether directly in their own publications, or in interviews or press releases): it is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about them; and if there is not enough such reliably published material, then the subject fails to meet the criteria of Notability. --ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Its so glad to see someone respond. Most of his articles and Arabic and some in english. He is a well known person in the Arab world as psychologist. Here are some of his articles in English. 

1. https://destinationksa.com/the-inspiring-ahmed-emara-a-motivational-lecturer-speaker-and-writer/ 2. https://saudigazette.com.sa/article/588192/BUSINESS/Addicted-to-Success-course-inspires-a-throng-of-followers

won't it be possible for the editor to look into his article by using google translate.

Thank YouTerminatorwil (talk) 20:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand, Terminatorwil. His publications do not contribute to his notability. As I said above, Wikipedia is not really interested in anything the subject has said, done, or published, except insofar as independent writers have written about his saying, doing, or publishing.

As for the Arabic sources: no doubt a reviewer will use Google translate, if they don't read Arabic. I didn't choose to spend any more time helping you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi ColinFine. Is it possible that you can have a look at the Arabic Interviews by using google translate. Atleast I would be able to correct the article.Terminatorwil (talk) 10:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Assistance in completing the article, " Dr. Prabhat Das foundation".

Hello, I am Suman nath thakur and need your assistance in completing this article on Dr. Prabhat Das foundation. Your valuable inputs would be of great help to get my maiden article published. Please share the Do's and Don't for future guidance too.

With Regards  Sumanathakur (talk) 12:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

You're asking about Draft:Dr Prabhat Das Foundation. For all I know, an article may be justified. If so, I can hardly believe that it could be derived from this draft, which reads like a PR release. -- Hoary (talk) 13:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

... except that PR releases generally make it clear what they're promoting. I've read the first two paragraphs of the draft, and I have no idea at all what the Prabhat Das Foundation is. Maproom (talk) 18:28, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Multiple issues, but a draft

Clearly this has "multiple issues". However, I'm surprised that Drm310 has marked it as an article with multiple issues. It's not an article (and its history doesn't show that it has ever been one). Is it proper to use this template, or its ingredients, for what are mere drafts? -- Hoary (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

How to request the removal of a category page ?

Hello,
How to request the removal of a category page ?
The page is empty and all information has been transferred to the new page.
The page is here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:EMLYON_Business_School_alumni
Thanks for your feedback.
Regards.
 WKPDA3 (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@WKPDA3: GB fan declined the speedy delete and I don't think they have been active since you responded to their message on your talk page, so give them a chance to respond. I suspect it's related to ambiguity about the correct name for the article and the category, based on a quick look at their website, the alumni website, and the article (at Emlyon Business School). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi WKPDA3, welcome to the Teahouse. I see you created Category:EM Lyon Business School alumni and transferred all pages from Category:EMLYON Business School alumni without discussion. This is not allowed by Wikipedia:Categorization which says: "For proposals to delete, merge, or rename categories, follow the instructions at Categories for discussion. Please use it before undertaking any complicated re-categorization of existing categories or mass creation of new categories." The official site [6] says "emlyon business school", our article is called Emlyon Business School (after five renames), and it says: "The final name, emlyon business school, was chosen in 2005." This all means your name is likely to be controversial and the pages may have to be transferred again. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

(another ec :) ) @WKPDA3: BTW, when you want to ping someone, it only works if you sign your message. Please sign your messages on talk pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:

This is the last line of the message. ~~~~

The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps keep conversations organized.. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@WKPDA3:, The category redirect that you want to delete matches the name of the article it supports better than the category it redirects to. There is a good possibility that someone will add this category to pages. The redirect serves a purpose at this point and should not be deleted. The question about what the title of the category should be should be discussed along with the title of the article and one spelling should be used for both. ~ GB fan 13:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for daily updating the Pune Covid-19 statistics and graphs available on this site. Whom to contact or ask for help?

Dear Editors of this website. I am the regular user of the statistics and graphs of Pune and Maharashtra Covid-19 trackers. Why the graphs cannot be updated on daily basis??? No updating reduces the credibility of website. Many people from Pune, like me are interested in these updates on daily basis. Its a shameful thing that graphs are not updated from 21st May and the statistical data of Pune, Pimpri-Chinchwad and Pune Gramin is not updated from 5th of May. There are all HR people from all kind of industries require this data and graphs on daily basis. Especially all MNCs are very much interested. Please do the needful om daily basis. Thanks and regards, Sampat Phadtare Nigdi, Pune. Working as HR Manager in a Japanese MNC 202.136.69.225 (talk) 12:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, I'm sure there are many news sites that offer that kind of frequent update. Wikipedia does not aspire to be a news website, and the really important thing is that all information has a reliable published source. That means that until it has been published somewhere else it can't be published here... and so it would make more sense to go to those more rapidly updating sources to find the information you are after. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

IP editor, editors aren't paid (by Wikimedia) to keep articles updated; virtually everyone is a volunteer that has to abide by Wikipedia's policies, one of which is WP:RS. One thing to keep in mind is Wikipedia is a tertiary source: think of it like a "knowledge aggregator"; it gathers information from reliable sources and presents it in the form of an article. The point I'm trying to make is if there are no sources that regularly update the situation in Pune and Maharashtra, the information on here becomes outdated quickly, and that's a symptom from the outside. The best way to remedy this is:

• someone volunteering to keep those pages up to date
• finding a source that regularly updates itself

If you need help looking for a source, you may want to leave a discussion on the article's talk page or ask the folks over at WP:COVID-19 if they have any suggestions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I added this:

 212.143.144.4 (talk) 15:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I did not know how to include a foot note as a proof of the evolution of the law

FYI

 – Section merged with above. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 212.143.144.4 (talk) 15:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor. You have question titles but not content (especially with nothing added after "I added this". What did you add? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

As Tenryuu says, your question is quite vague, but to add a foot note, or a "citation", find a reliable source and follow the steps here. Hillelfrei ^talk 15:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

At Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples you added text to the article without a reference. It was deleted for that reason, you added it again, deleted again. Proper next step is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article and make a case for what you want to add, with reference(s). In addition, the Edit summary is to add a SHORT description of the changes you made; it is not a place to paste in the full content of your change. David notMD (talk) 15:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

How well oversighted are edits really?

Let's say I create a fork of the whole database of Wikipedia and give myself all rights on that forked wiki. Will I then be able to see the "deleted" edits that I cannot on this wiki? Also, that rouge template "why an old page which was active for some years in subject to deletion?" section seems to be causing some problems. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 12:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

TryKid, I really shouldn't be saying what I don't explicitly know, but there's no way anything that's not public can be forked. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

TryKid Deleted and suppressed revisions are not included in the database dumps. See m:Data dumps/What the dumps are not. the wub "?!" 14:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

yeah that's what I was looking for. Thanks for the help cool and wub. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 15:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I change something that doesn't give me the option to edit. Like the first page of the article?

I do not agree with this translation of this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Cabin_Module. Where it claims that "天和" literally translates to "Harmony of the Heavens". This is not what it translates to. "天" Does mean heaven or the heavens, but "和" in this situation actually means joining or to join or come together. So a more literal translation, and better one, would be Joining of the Heavens or Unification of the Heavens. But I am unable to change that part of the page. How do I contact someone to let them know? Henryhe43 (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Henryhe43: Welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can tell, the page isn't protected and you should be able to edit it; if you're using the VisualEditor, it's likely because it's in a template and you would have to edit the parameters after clicking on the phrase. 和 by itself means "and", and depending on what other character it's bound to its meaning can change. Easiest way to solve? Find what the inventor had in mind when they named it. In any case, it's best to bring this up on the article's talk page before making a change like that. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:03, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Henryhe43. By default the lead of an article (before the first header) does not have an "edit" button; but you can still edit it. Either you can pick the "edit" from the top of the article (between "Read" and "History") to edit the whole article; or you can go to your Preferences -> Gadgets, and check "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page". --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Concerns about a user's behaviour

 Deferred to WP:ANI

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I apologise if this isn't the right place to ask this, and I also apologise if I'm making a mountain out of a particularly small molehill, but there's a certain user whose behaviour I'm finding increasingly concerning (I'm kind of reluctant to say who they are, since this whole thing might just be me seriously overreacting, but you might be able to figure it out anyway; I also appreciate I may HAVE to say who it is to get advice). They mainly work on reverting vandalism, which they honestly do an impressive amount of, and I'd say they're pretty damn good at it, but their behaviour is honestly starting to concern me.

To begin with, they had a really bad habit of going straight to level 3 and level 4 warnings almost every single time, even for edits that weren't actually vandalism at all. It took at least half a dozen people bringing this up on their talk page, all of whom they completely ignored, before they finally stopped doing it. They've also been called out a couple of times for jumping straight to a level 3 warning for users who trigger the edit filter; they ignored that as well and I believe they're still doing this. They seem to use rollback for everything, even changes where they really ought to assume good faith, which is in violation of WP:ROLLBACKUSE (though, to be fair, I'm not sure if anyone's pulled them up on that one). They have quite a lot of false positives, and while I don't THINK the amount is disproportionate considering how much vandalism they revert, I am yet to ever see them remove a falsely given warning, or even acknowledge they've made a mistake, let alone apologise for it, no matter who calls them out on it, or how serious their mistake. They even failed to acknowledge their mistake in at least two cases where they gave a user an immediate Level 4 vandalism warning on a completely legitimate edit. But what made me think they might have gone too far is that, twice in the last week, they've not only ignored users raising legitimate queries on their talk page, but have deleted those messages completely. In one case, they were (yet again) being questioned about a false positive, and questioned very politely at that. In the other, which was the one that finally brought me to raise my concerns, they'd rollbacked a new IP editor, who had made a flawed, but genuinely good-faith edit (which also happens to be a particularly clear misuse of Rollback). When the IP very politely asked them on their talk page what exactly they'd done wrong, the certain user not only ignored them, but deleted their question, thus depriving them the chance of getting an answer from anyone else (as it happens, the same IP was reverted by another user; the IP asked them exactly the same question, and got an answer and an apology). I can provide links to everything I've mentioned here if need be.

Ordinarily, I would bring this up with them on their talk page, but since they ignore almost every single message they ever get, especially those suggesting they may have done something wrong, there seemed little point. My question is basically, am I just seriously overreacting, or should something be done, and if so, what?

Thank you in advance. Thegreatluigi (talk) 13:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Thegreatluigi: Welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry to hear that an incident like this is happening, but we are not the best venue to bring this to. I suggest heading over to WP:ANI to state your case. Make sure you have all the diffs you need (and be sure to notify the offending party). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, sorry. I really wasn't sure where exactly to take it, so thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Thegreatluigi (talk) 17:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Thegreatluigi: No worries; that's what we're here for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:26, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I submit my sandbox article for AfC?

I want to submit my article(which I write in my sandbox) for AfC. Should I directly submit my article in sandbox for AfC or I have to move it to WP:DRAFTS?? Is there any pros and cons??बृहस्पति (talk) 14:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

You may submit your draft directly from your sandbox. Add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft when you are ready to add it to the list for review. RudolfRed (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@बृहस्पति: You can keep articles you are working on for as long as you like in your sandbox - many years if you wish, whereas a rejected draft that stays unedited for over 6 months is very likely to be deleted. Sometimes people move AfC submissions from an editors sandbox into Drafts. Other editors wouldn't change your sandbox (unless you invited them), whereas it is more acceptable (though not all that common) for others to work on a Draft article. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:53, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing vs Vandalism

Hello there, I don't know if i qualify as a new user(150 edits), but after reading wp:de and wp:VD, I still can't figure out what are the differences. I like to do a lot of rc patrolling and using Wikiloop. Thank you very much! The creeper2007^Talk! 19:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism is a deliberate attempt to harm the project, whereas disruptive isn't. Edits can be made in good faith and still be disruptive. Adam9007 (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

However, The creeper2007, both are undesirable and for either the editor should usually be warned/notified. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

If that is the case, what is the difference between good faith edits and Disruptive edits? Do I have to warn user on the revert of good faith edits? The creeper2007^Talk! 19:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Good faith edits are those made with the intention of improving Wikipedia. Disruptive edits are those which disrupt the process of improving Wikipedia. An edit can be both. If you find an editor who habitually makes disruptive edits in good faith, it would be helpful to try to explain to them that their actions have been disruptive. Maproom (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Maproom is correct, The creeper2007 I would add that you do not ever have to warn of reverts. It is when an editor does something harmful, either on purpose (vandalism) or in good faith but disruptively that you warn, whether you revert or not. Note that an edit you may think not helpful but seems made in good faith and that does not significantly hurt the article nor the encyclopedia's processes is not usually considered disruptive. It is a judgement call. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Missing unit template?

Resolved

 – {{Clarify span}} used to point out missing currency unit. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am currently going through pig racing, which needs a good deal of cleanup. I've been adding a bunch of needed {{convert}} templates, and I've come across one instance where a dollar amount is given, but it doesn't specify which unit of currency. Although it could be assumed to be GBP, I can't know for sure and can't find a source, so I've been looking for a template to denote the missing unit. Does such a template exist, and if not, what should I use? Thanks, Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 19:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Pupsterlove02: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you don't know which unit it is, there are a few things you can do:

• Wrap the dollar amount with {{clarify span}} and in the reason parameter, add something to the effect of "Unclear currency unit".
• Ask on the article's talk page to see if someone can clarify. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks, I'll probably use {{clarify span}}. Pupsterlove02 talk • contribs 19:35, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I ask on Tea House if I think administrator abuse his office? Or it will be canvassing?

@Marchjuly: @John from Idegon: Can I ask on Tea House if I think administrator abuse his office? Or it will be a Wikipedia:Canvassing? Because I think administrator before putting template to delete new article must explain criteria (if it's spam or no source), but if not explain, then it will be abuse of his office. May I ask how can I apply request to strip administrator his office of administering? Please, answer me. Or if it's canvassing then you may try to block me (Re discussion about Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled where I was said that Tea House is not place for discussion about it ([[7]]) PoetVeches (talk) 11:41, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

No. Teahouse is not the place to discuss an administrator's conduct. WP:ANI is the place for such discussions, but you need to be aware that your own conduct will be scrutinised too, and that boomerang might apply. As you were told previously, the Teahouse is not the place to discuss article deletion, but (in case you are confused) the editor who tagged the article for discussion is not an administrator. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:06, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi PoetVeches. It was not nominated by an administrator so there is no "office of administering" which could be stripped. The nominator gave the reason for the nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled. It is correctly linked on "this article's entry" in the deletion template at Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled. The nominator also notified you at User talk:PoetVeches#Nomination of Coronavirus disease COVID-19 in Russian nursing homes for the elderly and disabled for deletion which also links the discussion. The nominator followed all procedures correctly. Even if they had been an administrator and had not followed the procedures so accurately, stripping administrator rights over one detail like that would be absurd. Administrators usually have tens of thousands of edits. Please stop your false and pointless complaints. There are other deletion processes which do not have a discussion page. Nominations at those processes should state the reason in the deletion template but it's not done for Articles for deletion where it could give a wrong impression of the actual discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @PoetVeches: Your failure to understand how this site works is not administrator abuse. Your feelings aren't policy.

What you should have done here at the Teahouse was ask how to save the article, at which point someone could have explained how to write articles that won't be rejected or deleted (I've actually written a page on that as part of a much larger guide). Ian.thomson (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: My opinion, Tea House is place where may drink tea and ask everything, except common human things that United Nations prohibit, like facsism, or harassment, or like that. You try to impose on Tea House new censorship, what is my opinion, because you say "Please stop your false and pointless complaints", that is no present rule on Wikipedia. You says I have "false complaints", the same says Donald Trump everyday. But Twitter soon block him, I suppose. PoetVeches (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Twitter is free to block him because they are a private entity with their own rights. So is Wikipedia. This is not your home. You can join this community but you must agree to abide by its standards, which includes reading notices, not asking for votes at a deletion discussion, and generally not acting entitled. Also, three different users (not just me) have explained in a variety of ways how you're wrong here -- please actually read content before responding to it instead of trying to assert dictatorial control over the site. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: I read your opinion. Thanks all for you for your opinions. To say true your opinions were vague to understand, but I appreciate all that anyway. Thanks a lot all people. If you need help with Russian language, you may ask anytime. I thinks Wikipedia and Tea House is my House, so I so like to chat with people here :) PoetVeches (talk) 13:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@PoetVeches: This is a place for volunteers (like me) to help people contribute productively and helpfully to Wikipedia. This is supposed to be a reduced-drama zone. Can we at least try, for a while, to make it so? Doesn't anyone have a question about a fine point of citations, punctuation, etc. any more? Talk about revoking adminship of an imaginary admin over a single, imaginary slight is, simply, not. That is the consensus of this community. There are plenty of places here, and on the internet at large, for you discuss how much you hate pretty much anything. Use them.

(ObAnecdote: Yesterday, while people were trying to quickly get their groceries without catching coronavirus, a local ignorant witch of a person starts going off, loudly, at the in-store bank teller, about Soros and globalization and conspiracies and who-know-what-else. I'm sure there are places where her type of speech is welcome. This market was not one of them. Fortunately, she abided by the quickly-demonstrated consensus of her fellow shoppers and chose to leave the environment before things got uglier than she was.) </rant> (apologies in advance) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

IXL Learning

Currently, I'm writing an article about IXL Learning. I have written a summary, its history, and the company's subdivisions, and I was wondering what else to add. Is there requirements for an education company article, or does it vary?

 Le Panini (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! That sounds like a good start for an article, however one thing to be aware of is that not all companies warrant an article on Wikipedia. A company may warrant an article if they receive significant coverage in independent, reliable sources showing that they meet the notability guideline for companies. Creating an article can be hard; I would strongly suggest reading Your First Article if you have not already done so. I'd also suggest checking whether you may have a Conflict of Interest in relation to the things you are writing about, as Wikipedia has some specific requirements for editors with a conflict of interest. Good luck, and happy editing! -- Jack Frost (talk) 00:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Creating a a page as a fan

Hello, I wanted to ask if there are any restrictions on creating pages if you are a fan of a social media influencer, musician, actor, etc. Or are there any disclosures required for doing so? I see a few popular and notable Pakistani celebrities do not have pages. Given I am a fan, I understand compliance with NPOV is very important but is there anything else that I need to keep in mind before I submit the articles? NotJuggerNot (talk) 22:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

NotJuggerNot Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Merely being a fan of someone isn't a problem if you want to write about them- many people write about subjects they like or follow. Be advised that being a "celebrity" and meriting an article are not necessarily the same thing. A person merits a Wikipedia article if they receive sigificant coverage in independent reliable sources(coverage that is not routine or just basic announcements), showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. There are also more specific criteria for certain fields(like actors, athletes, musicians). There are not specific criteria for "social media influencers", so the general notable person definition would apply. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia; if you go into it without an understanding of the process, and without having edited existing articles first, it may not go well. You should read Your First Article and use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. You can then use Articles for Creation to create and submit drafts for other editors to review before they are formally placed in the encyclopedia, so you find out any problems first. 331dot (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, thank you for the prompt response. I understand your concern and would like to bring it to your knowledge that I understand the basic complexities in creating new articles. While my edit counter is still not on the higher side, most of my time is spent on reading policies whatever I can get my hands on in discussions and talk pages. And I will be creating these pages through AFC for the same reason. Thanks for the help. Really appreciate it! NotJuggerNot (talk) 23:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

NotJuggerNot, Pakistani actors happen to be one of my main topic areas of interest, so don't hesitate to reach out to me if you need help. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 01:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Philosophy of Wikipedia (Update)

@Nick Moyes, Dodger67, Liz, REDMAN 2019, Timtempleton, Sdkb, and Galendalia:

Yes guys! I tagged you all because I have some exciting news for us Wikipedia/Academic nerds. The other week we all were involved in a discussion entitled "Philosophy of Wikipedia," regarding a question of if there were actually a name for our philosophy of Neutrality/Verifiability/Reliably.

Everyone in the discussion agreed that it would be very useful to have a name for this 'philosophy.'

Well, there actually is a name. It's simply called the Scholarly Method which is a parent category for other methods like the Scientific Method and Historical Method.

I've known about the Scientific and Historical Methods, but never knew there was a parent category that encompased everything.

Perhaps we can even use the term "Encyclopedic Method?" Maybe other fields could create the Journalistic Method?

I know I'm a nerd, but it's a bit exciting to actually have a name to call this by.

Anyway, hope you find this term useful. – Chrisvacc - ✆ 01:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC) – Chrisvacc - ✆ 01:12, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Wayback machine save page archiving and redirect walls

I was trying to save an url ( https://www.branca.com.ar/institucional/ ) for a more reliable archiving and apparently it gets stuck at "Accept you're 18+ y/o" redirect wall. Is there a way to work around this? Brand pages change all the time and I wanted to keep a snapshot of today's information. 2bam (talk) 18:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

2bam, Welcome, but I don't see how this question relates to Wikipedia. Am I missing something?S Philbrick(Talk) 19:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

It relates in the sense that there are a ton of missing references in articles because after a couple of years website pages change, urls change (even reliable sources' ones) and the article can no longer withstand a robust citation check. That's one reason Wayback machine was created and was wondering if there was an alternative way to archive links to avoid loss of references, or if there was a workaround for the issue mentioned for the only tool that I know. 2bam (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

2bam Do note that https://www.branca.com.ar/institucional/ has been archived by IA over 100 times, including earlier this month. So it is on the list to be regularly crawled by the IA. There are also other archive sites. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, I see the issue that 2bam has: it's not that the archiving website isn't working, it's that it is stuck on the "confirm if you are 18+" page before it redirects to the page with content. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Tenryuu I ran into that also. There may be a way around it, but I don't know it if it exists. But my point is that even if 2bam is not able to force the page to be archived today, it has been archived fairly recently and no doubt will be again, so there is not a major problem in this particular case. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:41, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Americanasoul

Americanasoul is Where everybody lives, On July 29, 2015, the canadian world opened until November 18,2015, Canada of 2015 (Two-Thousand-Fifteen) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.207.201 (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question on how to edit Wikipedia, unregistered editor? Wikipedia is not for promoting anything. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

jaques pepin death

 83.84.38.249 (talk) 00:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears that you updated the Jacques Pépin article with death information, which was reverted. As part of the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you can start a discussion on the article talk page - Talk:Jacques Pépin - and provide a reliable source for his death. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:28, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I find an editor particularly rude. I am trying to ignore, but what else can I do?

Resolved

 – Editors may not be tactful at all times, but generally mean well. Assume good faith until blatantly proven otherwise. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:British Nuclear Medicine Society

Hi, I find an editor particularly rude. I am trying to ignore them, what else can I do? I am not sure why they keep posting messages like these?

For example, they said:

1. "we do not list address in lede. You can get a website if you want to publish practical information" - I do not need any random person to tell me what I should and should not do! I have a personal and professional website of my own. I have also published numerous peer-reviewed scientific paper, etc.. I can go on but what is the point. I am just new to Wikipedia. If someone has a problem with it, they are free to ignore me and move on.

2. "we are not here to publish announcements for your organizaiton"- This is not my organisation, or I do not work for it! I am just trying to publish information that I believe it worth it for an organisation which has been in this particular field for about 60 years!

Any suggestions Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC) Earthianyogi (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to take note of these helpful pointers, which are not "messages" but edit summaries, designed to let other editors understand why the edits were made. Since many newer users are not always clear on what does and does not belong in Wikipedia, pointers like these are usually necessary. The user in question is clearly trying to improve the draft, so that it may get closer to being moved to the main encyclopedia. --bonadea contributions talk 16:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Bonadea Thanks, I agree. But the tone can be polite! Earthianyogi (talk) 16:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Some editors are not hampered by an excess of tact. David notMD (talk) 17:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi My comments are there to try to help you make a better article. Many of your edits were quite poor (adding the physical address of the organization to the lede, for example) or promotional. Sorry if you find them rude, but they are by and large accurate. The best thing you could do is to learn why the edits aren't acceptable. You could also ask me directly on my talk page! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Earthianyogi: might I make a comment or two here? It can be a difficult transition from academia to editing Wikipedia, where experts and non-experts alike have to work together to create encyclopaedic content. One editor I am currently supporting is a retired Professor of Marine Geophysics, and it took some while to steer them away from the conventions of academic writing, (crediting everyone in a research team; adding external links to relevant organisations in the body of the article etc, avoiding over-technical language, or making assumptions of prior knowledge) so that they could share their expertise in a way that matches Wikipedia's requirements and house style. The problem is, experienced and helpful editors here tend to encounter so many people on a daily basis who believe they can use Wikipedia to promote their own interest, business or organisation that it can seem like a constant battle to keep Wikipedia running smoothly, and to support the genuine editors, too. Quite often, that lack of tact, as you see it, comes from the fact that we have just a few words in a short edit summary in which to communicate an error in content creation before we have to move on to the next 'apparent problem', and the next, and the next. Yesterday, I dedicated over two hours to help clean up one editor's efforts to create a new article so that it conformed to our encyclopaedia's style. We all try to be tactful, but sometimes, you know, it simply ain't possible! The work to keep well over 6 million articles in good condition can, quite literally, seem a never ending and utterly overwhelming task. Oftentimes, being short and succinct is the only way to keep things moving, and I can assure you that those who want to help people like you to improve their work rarely actually want to come over as rude or tactless. Finding the balance between being forceful and being nurturing to new editors is never easy. Good luck on your journey to contribute to Wikipedia in your sphere of knowledge. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)      

I'll leave a thought here about this. Here at the Teahouse we get many questions that are similar ("my article just got declined/rejected/deleted wat do"), and that's to be expected; article declinations and the like are usually accompanied by a bot that directs editors here. I will confess there have been times where I did not conduct myself to my standards and considered drafting templated responses for questions with no thought put into them. There's only so many spoons much emotional energy I can spend on multiple questions that have the same answer. The more effort is put into crafting a question (especially with spelling and grammar) the happier I am with answering it. Do I feel that some portions of Wikipedia are too acerbic and exploit WP:CIVIL? Yes. Do I think that some unpopular proposals get shut down too quickly when unwarranted? Yes. Do some respected editors' attitudes to situations rub me the wrong way? Many times. Is this worth spending my time and emotional energy on? Usually not. Best advice I can give you is assume good faith in most situations. My two cents. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:20, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to all. I will assume assume good faith and move on. I read many recent posts on Wikipedia talking about rudeness among editors, and maybe there is a pattern? I welcome all criticism, but I do not appreciate impolite words. If it continues, it is only going to deter me from contributing here. Thanks for the help once again. Earthianyogi (talk) 08:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

How do you think these requests and comments were "rude"? How would you have worded them? There's a corps of volunteers here deeply committed to objectivity. I don't view any of these comments as "impolite" in the least. "Blunt" and "impolite" aren't synonymous. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 05:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

NSFW heading?

Disclaimer: no idea how to write these things, forgive me if im doing it wrong or something. but is there a NSFW heading that we can put on certain articles like the grammer error things? Thompson8964 (talk) 01:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Thompson8964: Something like that has often been proposed and debated, but there is significant opposition, expressed at pages like WP:NOTCENSORED. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Thompson8964: I'm not sure why grammar articles require NSFW headings, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. Unless you meant something else, like hiding content? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, I think that Thompson8964 was asking if there was a warning message that could be put at the top of such articles, similar in form to grammar warning,s warnings about lack of sources, contested notability, and the like. The answer is that there is not, and if any such template were created, it would be speedy deleted as a template in violation of policy under WP:CSD#T2, which mentions as an example of the things to be deleted under it disclaimer templates intended to be used in articles as per WP:NOTCENSORED and Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles. Obtaining consensus to overturn these would require a large project-wide RfC, and I would be amazed if such consensus was obtained. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC) Thompson8964 DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:45, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Thanks for clearing that up. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:18, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Paid Editing = Notability?

Hi,

I have recently been asked by my employer to create a series of Wikipedia articles for his companies/brands. I have looked through WP:Paid and understand the protocols in place. However, it doesn't say anything of notability- does this still apply or does it not due to payment being issued? Thanks in advance, Harry. --Hazza9976 (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC) Hazza9976 (talk) 12:02, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

The notability criterion still applies. Paid editing does not allow non-notable subjects to be included, and indeed there is a tendency for articles to be scrutinised more carefully where conflict of interest applies. I suggest that you tell your employer that Wikipedia is not the place for promotion; use the company website for that. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Hazza9976: You've got two unrelated issues mixed up:

First, you must disclose your employment per WP:COI and WP:PAID, and should do so before making any edits relating to your employer or his businesses. This is true if even if the attempted articles are not accepted.

Second, notability just means that there's in-depth coverage from a variety of independent reliable sources. The recommendation I usually give is to get three or more professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are specifically and primarily about the subject but not connected to, affiliated with, nor dependent upon it. If notability is not demonstrated, the subject does not get an article (no matter who started the article). Ian.thomson (talk) 12:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I would strongly suggest you decline this request by your employer, unless you are an expert Wikipedia user with at least a years experience in editing, you are almost guaranteed to fail. Theroadislong (talk)

User:Theroadislong User:Ian.thomson User:David Biddulph - I don't think that the OP is combining two issues. I think that the OP's boss is combining two problems for the OP. The principle is the same. You can also be asked by your employer to fly a Cessna 172 to the moon. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

This edit [8] by them is curious. Theroadislong (talk) 07:06, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Expertise Review: Anti-Defamation League

Having visited this article after a long while, I've noticed that the article has been "cleaned up" in a manner that is very WP:SOAPBOX like. Going through the TOC box, you wouldn't notice or realize the spying and surveillance scandal/case the ADL was involved in 1992.

Here is an older version of the article, dated 20 December 2019: [9]

Things have been removed and things have been moved from the Controversies section's subsection titled "Spying controversy" (and its sub-subsections) and merged with the higher-above Goals section's subsection "Tracking extremists", and what remains in the former spying sections' place is a "Arab American and African American lawsuit against ADL" which in turn is void of much of its former context.

The former headers and sections have been removed and the context has been largely lost when it comes to the topic of controversy regarding the article's subject on that matter.

Perhaps editors who are experienced with political articles can look into this. It is really disappointing to see just how much of the objectivity in presenting information seems to have been toned down or conveniently edited.

I clicked on the talk page, and someone brought it up and that too was met with a dismissive response from one editor as "just another conspiracy theorist rant." - DA1 (talk) 00:27, 1 June 2020 (UTC) DA1 (talk) 00:27, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@DA1: Your details of sections being moved around means nothing to someone unfamiliar with the article or its history (i.e. most people at the Teahouse). That's why discussion about particular articles belong on the article's talk page, where those interested in it discuss how to improve it. The other "complaint" you saw was two sentences, one of which accused Wikipedia of being "more corrupt than [they] thought". That will get exactly the response it got. Anyone who wants to engage in rational, thoughtful conversation about the article being incorrectly edited, having an unbalanced POV, missing important notable facts, etc., and how to fix it, should be able to do so if that is their aim, as opposed to just venting about the subject. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:07, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

How may I help

WELL .HOW MAY I HELP YOU.?Hwang Jihyun 7 (talk) 10:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC) Hwang Jihyun 7 (talk) 10:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hwang Jihyun 7: Hello, and welcome. The Teahouse is a friendly help forum for anyone needing assistance in editing Wikipedia. So if you need help yourself, just ask. Ideally, please link to any page you need help with. Try The Wikipedia Adventure and collect 15 different badges as you go, or read Help:Introduction to Wikipedia to learn more. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2020 (UTC)