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Farnese Artemis in the National Archaeological Museum, Naples

... that while the objects on the Farnese Artemis (pictured) had initially been identified as female breasts, the museum housing the statue now describes them as bull scrotums?
... that in the history of fisheries in the Philippines, the once-dominant local municipal fisheries were supplanted first by commercial fisheries, and then by aquaculture?
... that Eliza Legzdina has attributed opinions of her work to the "horrification of the female body"?
... that the center squeeze has been blamed for costing Gary Johnson the 2016 US presidential election?
... that voice actress Atsuko Tanaka named several pandas?
... that seven people died when their helicopter struck supporting wires of a Texas TV station's tower and crashed?
... that Michael P. Walsh oversaw the construction of 15 buildings as the president of Boston College?
... that Jer Lau, who appeared in the film Over My Dead Body, also performed its theme song because the director felt his role was too minor?
... that the search for mammals on Booby Island was a bust?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on November 10

...that Della Falls in British Columbia is considered to be the 16th tallest waterfall in the world at Template:M to ft and is the tallest measured waterfall in Canada ? mdash; new article, self-nominated by SriMesh | talk 03:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alt:) ... that at Template:M to ft, Della Falls in British Columbia is the tallest measured waterfall in Canada and 16th tallest in the world? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you SriMesh | talk 03:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the gentle, affectionate nature and agreeable temperament of the Lilacine Amazon has given it a favorable reputation as a companion parrot? — new article, self-nominated by krimpet✽ 03:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref given in article doesn't establish "reputation," it's just one guy saying they have a good temperament. Will need to suggest an alternate hook or find a better ref. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in 2007 the Kenyon Athletic Center was surrounded by Knox County residents to "form a shield of protection" in preparation for an event being given by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association? new article by self (moved from userspace today), self-nom. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that German entrepreneur, race driver and yacht skipper Udo Schütz won the 1000 km Nürburgring in 1967, the Targa Florio in 1969, and the Admiral's Cup in 1993? -- self-nom by Matthead Discuß 00:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 9

...that Mike Davis envisioned his goal of making recreational boats available on the Hudson River in New York City after seeing how boats could be rented in Istanbul and rowed on the Bosporus? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 03:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that early childhood educator Barbara T. Bowman co-founded Chicago's Erikson Institute with the support of philanthropist Irving Harris? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 02:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Hedley Howarth helped lead New Zealand to its first ever test cricket win on the Indian subcontinent with a five-wicket bag against India in 1969? -- fivefold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that protests by Reverend Abraham Woods about the site of the 1990 PGA Championship led Shoal Creek to admit its first black member and new PGA rules requiring open membership policies at host clubs? -- new article, self nom by Alansohn (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that prehistoric ridgeway trails, though often steep, were usually the firmest and safest cart tracks before the advent of paved roads in western Europe? -- new article self-nom by JB Piggin (talk) 21:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that during the 1994 Royal Rumble match, both Bret Hart and Lex Lugar's feet hit the floor at the exact same time, making it the first and only time that two wrestlers were declared winners? Expanded and self nom by iMatthew 21:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Julia Butler Hansen Bridge as seen southbound from Cathlamet.

... the Julia Butler Hansen Bridge (pictured), which carries Washington State Route 409, was opened in August 1939 by Franklin D. Roosevelt, via telegraph from the White House? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by ~~ C o m p u t e r G u y 19:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Lebanese Navy SEALs undergo heavy military training, which spans three months and sometimes reaches 20 hours per day? article by Zaher1988 (talk · contribs) nomination by Parthian Scribe 19:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that decommissioning in Northern Ireland was a process in the Northern Ireland peace process? new article, self nom. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 18:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that one-third of India's population (roughly equivalent to the entire population of the United States) lives below the poverty line? article by Gppande (talk · contribs) nomination by Parthian Scribe 18:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... ~~that the 18 winners of the King of the Ring have won in ten different U.S. states?~~ article by SRX (talk · contribs).--S_RX 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article length and refs look ok, but this hook doesn't really say anything interesting, it's pretty much just saying what the article is. It also forces the reader to do a bunch of counting. Can you suggest a different hook? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Alt:... ~~that the there have been 18 winners of the King of the Ring since its inception in 1985?~~--S_RX 20:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - What about: ... that professional wrestler Bret Hart is the only person that has won the King of the Ring tournament more than once? Nikki311 20:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - That's a hook I can get behind. (Well, it's not perfect, but good enough, and there's no point starting a huge discussion over it.) —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that at one time, the Sneath Glass Company produced almost 90 percent of the glassware used in consumer refrigerators in the United States? article by TwoScars (talk · contribs) nomination by Parthian Scribe 18:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An Akula class submarine

... that the construction of Russian submarine K-152 was started in 1991, but due to lack of funding was only finished in 2008? Jehochman ^Talk 16:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 16:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Hurricane Nora was the strongest storm of the 2003 Pacific hurricane season and also caused heavy rain in Mexico with Olaf (rainfall map imaged)? Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 16:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article is too old - appears to have been moved in to mainspace on 30th October & rewritten again on the 31st? Nancy ^talk 16:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the final section of La Nouvelle branch (pictured), a canal in south-central France, was constructed in 1776 to link Narbonne to the Canal du Midi via the Canal de la Robine and the Aude River? New article, self-nom Nancy ^talk 14:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Tarab Abdul Hadi co-founded the first Palestinian women's organization in 1929? (self-nom, new article) Tiamut^talk 13:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Stella Artois television advertisement Good Doctor won more awards than any other television campaign in 2002? GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 12:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC) (breaking Unwritten Rule C2 yet again!)[reply]
- I don't think it's too advertisement-ish; we have DYKs about books or movies that won lots of awards, so this one just happens to be an ad that won a lot of awards. The point is that we ourselves aren't advertising. Oh, and length and hook verified; offline ref accepted in good faith. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Turkish poet Süleyman Nazif was sentenced in 1918 to execution by firing squad by the commander of the French occupying forces in Istanbul due to an article he wrote in a newspaper to condemn the occupation, but pardoned later? (Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by CeeGee (talk) 12:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC))[reply]

236 character hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(alt)... that the Turkish poet Süleyman Nazif was sentenced to execution by firing squad for an article he wrote condemning the 1918 French occupation, but pardoned later? - may be possible to mahe it even snappier Victuallers (talk) 17:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the SS Mahratta ran aground on the Goodwin Sands in 1939, less than a mile from the site the wreck of a previous ship named Mahratta? Article created and self-nom by Mjroots (talk) 09:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the American television series Veronica Mars was renewed for a third season mainly because of the critical acclaim for previous seasons, despite low ratings? -- new article self-nom by Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 08:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that after a federal jury in Portland, Oregon decided against the defendant in Byron v. Rajneesh Foundation International, followers of Rajneesh plotted to murder the plaintiff? -- self-nom by Cirt (talk) 08:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Psilocybe montana, type species of the well-known genus of hallucinogenic mushrooms, does not actually contain psychedelic compounds? -- 5x expanded article, self-nom by Sasata (talk) 04:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Japanese admiral Ogasawara Naganari, close confidant and biographer of Fleet Admiral Togo Heihachiro, was tutor to Emperor Hirohito on naval matters? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 04:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Canadian-born Jim Koleff spent three decades in Europe as a hockey player, coach and manager after telling coach Dave Chambers that he would play in Italy for one year? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 04:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Larry Krystkowiak is the only Milwaukee Bucks head coach to have spent his entire coaching career with the Bucks? new article, self-nom. -- SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24_[c] 03:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that with his appointment to Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in 1966, Robert C. Weaver became the first African American to hold a U.S. Cabinet Secretaryship? (new article, self-nom) --Mr.crabby (Talk) 01:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 06:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that arcing horns are projecting conductors used to protect insulators on high voltage transmission systems from damage during flashover? +5x expansion (862->4560 bytes), self nom. — BillC ^talk 01:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the members of Montreal-based electronic music duo Beast were both born in France and perform all of their songs in English? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Marchije (talk) 07:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Thirumangai Alvar, who is considered one of the most learned Alvar saint-poet in Hinduism, was initially a robber? self - nom. Former redirect --Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the first batter Doug Nickle faced on his Major League Baseball debut, who was Alex Ramírez, hit a ground ball for a single? Self-nom. – RyanCross (talk) 18:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Norwegian mathematician Bernt Michael Holmboe played an important role in the career of Niels Henrik Abel? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 23:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 8

... that, when Emperor Dezong of Tang fled after rebellion of Li Huaiguang, the official Qi Ying held the bridle of the imperial horse? (self-nomination, new article to displace redirect) --Nlu (talk) 16:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alt:) ... that Qi Ying held the bridle of the imperial horse when Emperor Dezong of Tang fled after the rebellion of Li Huaiguang? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that of the over 4,000 U.S. chemical munitions found to be leaking chemical agents in 2002, more than 2,000 were Sarin-containing M55 rockets? Self nom: --IvoShandor (talk) 06:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length, hook, refs verified. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 06:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that men from the 1st Oregon Volunteer Infantry Regiment were the first explorers to climb down the 800 foot caldera wall to reach the shore of Crater Lake? Self-nom.--Orygun (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- fine article Victuallers (talk) 17:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... ~~that hammer throw athlete Al Hall won three gold medals in the sport at the Pan American Games, winning one in each of three consecutive decades with wins in 1959, 1963 and 1971?~~ -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- ... that athlete Al Hall won three Pan American Games gold medals in the hammer throw in three consecutive decades, with wins in 1959, 1963 and 1971? Slightly condensed, alternate hook. --IvoShandor (talk) 12:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- - Length, hook, refs verified. Second hook is better (I did a minor copyedit of it, too).

... that Joe Wendryhoski, an inaugural member of the New Orleans Saints, played every offensive snap as the starting center for the team in both 1967 and 1968? -- fivefold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that before becoming a full-time professional footballer at the age of 21, Mike Bickle worked as a milkman? -- new article self-nom by ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the first same-sex kiss on an American soap opera was between fictional characters Lena Kundera and Bianca Montgomery in 2003, who were also American soap opera's first lesbian couple? -- created at 12:35, 8 November 2008, self-nominated by Flyer22 (talk) 22:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 06:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bernard Courtois was the discoverer of iodine (3-D model shown)? expanded article 5 fold, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5X length, date, and hook verified from the article. Image free use verified from the image page. ♥ that image. It definitely should be on the Main Page. -- Suntag ☼ 04:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that President Benjamin Harrison appointed James R. Tanner Commissioner of the Pension Bureau in 1889, but had to remove him six months later because he vastly exceeded his office's budget? -- new article self-nom by Coemgenus 20:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the term Hindu Taliban is used by some tolerant or "secular" Hindus to describe the supporters of the Hindutva movement? (new article, self-nom) Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Reference for the above statement is India: A Global Studies Handbook by Fritz Blackwell. Reference number 1. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that, when amateur club TSV Vestenbergsgreuth beat German champions FC Bayern Munich 1–0 in the 1994-95 DFB Cup, it was considered to be one of the greatest upsets in German Cup history? self nom, new article (former redirect) EA210269 (talk) 15:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Nainital Lake, (pictured) a natural freshwater body, situated amidst the township of Nainital, tectonic in origin, is kidney shaped or crescent shaped with an outfall at the southeastern end? --Nvvchar (talk) 13:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Hitachi Zosen Corporation built the first oil tanker in Japan in 1908 per an order by Standard Oil Company? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 07:23, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Montigny mitrailleuse (pictured), a 1860s mobile volley gun, was very heavy at 2,000 pounds (910 kg)? -- article by PHG (talk · contribs), nom by Punkmorten (talk) 12:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Astragalus brauntonii, a species of milkvetch endemic to southern California, is a so-called pioneer species whose growth is spurred by fire? -- article by IceCreamAntisocial (talk · contribs), nom by Punkmorten (talk) 12:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Banc Ty'nddôl sun-disc (pictured), a gold ornament discovered at Cwmystwyth, is over 4,000 years old, making it the earliest gold artifact discovered in Wales? -new article, self-nom. Geaugagrrl ☎ 06:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that eight Kaba class destroyers of the Imperial Japanese Navy were based in Malta in World War I? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting new article (date and length verified) and an interesting hook. However, currently the sentence in the article which supports the fact given in the hook does not provide an in-line reference citation for that fact. You need to add such a citation to that sentence per DYK rules, see WP:DYK. Also, for the book references in the article please include additional publication details, such as publication years and the names of the publishers (and, if possible, ISBN numbers would be good too). Nsk92 (talk) 21:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am rather confused. ALL book references in the article have publisher name, date and ISBN number listed in the "References" section, and the hook does have an in-line citation, linking to the author, book, and page number on the book, in question. I will put the publisher name and ISBN into the in-line citation as well, but this seems a bit redundant. --MChew (talk) 03:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was looking just at the "Notes" section, where the books quoted were just listed by author name and book title. I see now that these books are also listed under "References" with full publication details. So on that point everything is fine. However, the issue of an inline citation still needs to be fixed. At the moment there is an in-line citation (to note no. 6) at the end of the following sentence: "The Japanese fleet was nominally independent, but carried out operations under the direction of the Royal Navy command on Malta, primarily in escort operations for transport and troopship convoys and in anti-submarine warfare operations". The problem is that this sentence does not mention the number of ships (eight destroyers) which is what the hook is about. You just need to add an in-line citation (even if it is a direct duplicate of citation no 6, with the same page number) in the preceding sentence:"This deployment began with Rear Admiral Kozo Sato arrived in Malta in mid-April 1917, with the cruiser Akashi as his flagship and eight Kaba-class destroyers". Then everything will be OK. Nsk92 (talk) 03:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, now everything looks good. Date and length of the article OK, length of the hook OK, the hook is supported by two references, one off-line and one online. Nsk92 (talk) 12:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay! --MChew (talk) 07:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Dream Cinema is the last remaining single screen movie theater in Seoul? -- new article, self nom, PC78 (talk) 03:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Alt: .. that Dream Cinema is the last remaining single screen movie theater in Seoul, but it is about to close? – RyanCross (talk) 18:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Nablus-born Arab nationalist Izzat Darwaza (pictured) served as the secretary of al-Fatat and supported Palestine's union with Syria?

... that Andreas Lauritz Thune, who took over the manufacturing company Thune at the age of twenty-three, was among the founders of the Federation of Norwegian Manufacturing Industries in 1889? -- self-nom Punkmorten (talk) 09:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Beast vocalist Béatrice Bonifassi sang on Champion's album, Chill'em All and also provided the singing voices for Les Triplettes de Belleville? -- new article self-nom by Marchije (talk) 23:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the United States Marine Corps celebrates its birthday on 10 November each year with a birthday ball, on the anniversary of the day that the 2nd Continental Congress authorized the creation of the Continental Marines? --new article, self-nom by bahamut0013 ♠♣ 05:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Australian band Spy vs Spy had to change its name to avoid legal action from the publishers of Mad magazine? --substantially rewritten/expanded article, self-nom by McWomble (talk) 05:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 7

... that the Royal Coachman (pictured), first made in 1878, may be the world's best-known fly? new article by Mike Cline (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 20:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Image:GayKids omslag forside.jpg~~

... that Norwegian researchers published Gay Kids in November 2008 to educate children about homosexual love? new article by Meco (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I removed the fair use image from this; can't put fair use media on the front page. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Other than that, this is fine. Length and hook verified, foreign langauge ref accepted in good faith. On a side note, is it just me, or are there ten times as many Norwegian refs as any other language around here? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - That resembles this FAQ. Art LaPella (talk) 02:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the force-feeding (pictured) of suffragette, arsonist and hunger-striker Lilian Lenton caused food to enter her lungs and led to public outrage? new article by Jack1956 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 17:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- length and ref fine Victuallers (talk) 18:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Sperm Whaling (pictured) developed after a semi-liquid, waxy substance found in an area known as the sperm whale's "junk" became popular for use in soaps, cosmetics and lubricants? new article by Rlendog (talk · contribs), nom by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 00:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reminds me of "Whatcha gonna do with all that junk, All that junk inside that trunk?" In any event, it looks like some of the material for the new article came from here. Usually for DYK, the material should be new to article namespace. -- Suntag ☼ 03:35, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you're right, Suntag. I hadn't noticed that it was derived from a prior article. I did like the double-entendre of it all, though.Cbl62 (talk) 22:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that among other methods, Archaeoparasitologists study historical human parasites by looking for references to them in art and literature? - article by Mgrien, nom by Olaf Davis | Talk 16:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool hook and article. Length and date good, offline hook accepted AGF. — BillC ^talk 02:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just suggested a combined hook down at Paleoparasitology, see below. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 17:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Ghost Town Trail in Western Pennsylvania utilizes 36 miles of donated or abandoned railroad and features many abandoned ghost towns? Creation self-nom. Grsz ¹¹ ^→Review! 02:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Article and refs are good, but I'm confused about the numbers. Ghost Town Trail#Development says length is 16 + 4 + 20 = 40 miles, and it doesn't specify that the last 20 miles were "donated" (it says that line had been abandoned). Clarify that stuff in the article and then we should be able to verify this. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd actually like to withhold until I'm done with it, as I have a lot more info to add. Sorry I jumped the gun. Grsz ¹¹ ^→Review! 03:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - No problem with that, as long as it's done within the next 5 days! —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Let me know how it reads now. I'm not sure what I meant either ;) Grsz ¹¹ ^→Review! 03:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Looks good. I added a bit to clarify the original length. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 13:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Asher Roth, a hip hop musician from suburban Pennsylvania, raps about "pizza a dollar a slice"? - self nom by Boston (talk) 01:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Article is too short. (Granted, it was longer before I chopped most of it out, but I believe most of that chopping was necessary.) Also, article is currently tagged for having too many SPSs (again, the tag is my doing, but again I think it belongs there). Notify us if the article is expanded and refs improved within the next couple days. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I removed the PSP tag because I removed the last of the SPS references. There's plenty of material from interviews that can be added to the article to meet length requirements, but I would like to know there are no points of contention to be addressed before I proceed. Thanks. - Boston (talk) 20:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Maybe SPS was the wrong tag to go with. You have removed the sources from Roth's own website, true, but a lot of the sources given are still not reliable sources as they are from blogs or other places without reliable standards. Specifically, ref 2 is some kind of blog, ref 3 is some kind of something bad (I don't know if it's technically a blog or messageboard or what), ref 4 is some kind of blog, and ref 7 is an online video by some guys (maybe they are notable and maybe they aren't, I don't know; I left the ref in to give it the benefit of the doubt, but it still contributes to why the tag is there). I've replaced {{self-published}} in the article with {{primarysources}}; either way, the underlying message is still that there are problems with the sources being used.
    - On the bright side, after your recent edits the article is long enough again, just barely. But I still think the sources are a serious problem. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Beninese political figure Justin Ahomadégbé-Tomêtin remained under house arrest from 1972 to 1981 after being overthrown in a coup d'état? Expansion by ~the editorofthewiki ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length, hook, refs verified. But the article doesn't say much about Ahomadegbe-Tometin's deposition and house arrest other than a single sentence in the lead-in; can you expand on that a bit in the main article? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'll be working on this as a side job after I bring Hubert Maga to FA status. I guess I'll look for info on the coup. ~the editorofthewiki ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Charles Taylor was the first of thirteen Welsh international players to die in action during World War I? Self nom -- FruitMonkey (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hook is uncited, nominator informed. Length and date are good. — BillC ^talk 10:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - In second reference, BBC article, 'Rugby Heroes who went to War', very last paragraph states he was the first player to lose his life in the conflict. Is that OK? FruitMonkey (talk) 10:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks. It's still a little under-referenced. Can you find some more? I tried, but was unsuccessful. How reliable is the BBC link? It looked somewhat like they were posting the essay of a member of the public. — BillC ^talk 00:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that despite having only 28 men to his opponent's 92, William Rogers (pictured) not only defended his ship from a privateer, but boarded and captured her with just five men? - new article, self nom. Two image options, one of the man, the other of him in the thick of it. Benea (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and hook verified, offline ref accepted in good faith. I think the first picture is much more interesting. Message about referencing left at nominator's talk page. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not sure what I should do about the "pictured" in this hook. Put after "captured her with just five men" and word it as something like (X pictured)? Or just lose the picture... —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Little Pied Cormorant (pictured) lays eggs that are covered in lime? ..exp 5x (157-->785 words) by casliber (talk · contribs)
- Offline ref accepted in good faith, length verified (expansion is just over 5x). —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Five-fold length, date, image license verified (snippet in another book and others confirm hook). -SusanLesch (talk) 23:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that lice from mummified guinea pigs and mites preserved in amber while feeding on spiders have provided evidence for researchers in the field of paleoparasitology? ~ New article by Mgrien; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC). There is a similar article on a related topic, Archaeoparasitology, so there may be double-hook potential and/or a hook to be found in that one. Refs [26] and [31] refer.[reply]
- (alt, combined:) ... that paleoparasitologists and archaeoparasitologists study the parasites of the past, using evidence varying from lice on mummified guinea pigs, to facial deformities represented on Mochica pottery? This hook is 202 characters, but whatevs. Length and refs for both articles have been verified, I just need someone else to tick this since I shouldn't tick my own hook... —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 17:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a stray "and", so it's unquestionably <200 now :) ~ Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Ernest Peixotto was the first person to note the usage of the ethnic slur "spic" in writing? (self-nom) Howcheng (talk · contribs) 22:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My reading of the article and the ref is that he was was the first to use the term in his book (with this pronunciation) ...not that he noted its usage... am I missing something? Victuallers (talk) 23:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about: ... that Ernest Peixotto's 1916 work Our Hispanic Southwest was the first appearance of the ethnic slur "spic" in writing? howcheng {chat} 03:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- 2nd hook fine - thx Victuallers (talk) 18:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the first platform scale was built in 1830 by Thaddeus Fairbanks (pictured) to measure large loads accurately? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length, date, ref verified. Suggest you change "measure accurately large loads" to "measure large loads accurately", since this version is a bit confusing. Chamal ^talk 12:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Changed to "measure large loads accurately" as was suggested. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that David Morrissey gained 2 stone (13 kg) for his role as Gordon Brown in The Deal? - article created by Deb, expanded and nom by Bradley0110 (talk) 21:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that HMS Hinchinbrook was Horatio Nelson's second navy command, and his first as post-captain? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 20:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that editor Kenneth P. Johnson, who ran a story that led to the article subject's suicide as threatened, stated that "if a story is newsworthy and supported by the facts, it is our policy to publish"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 20:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Tropical Depression One-C of the 2005 Pacific hurricane season caused minor flooding on the Island of Hawaii? self-nom Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Amy Peterson competed in the first five Olympics where short track speed skating was a sport? five times expansion and nominated by Eóin (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in 2005, Shannon Sohn became the first helicopter news reporter to win a national Emmy Award, which she won for her coverage of the crash of the helicopter of a rival TV station? -- (same last name, but no relation) new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and hook verified. I like the irony in the hook. -- Suntag ☼ 18:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the football rivalry between ASV Herzogenaurach and FC Herzogenaurach hailed from the rivalry between the clubs' sponsors, two local Herzogenaurach companies, Adidas and Puma? self-nom, new article EA210269 (talk) 10:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Confederate Memorial in Fulton, Kentucky is the only one in the state with a statue atop an arch? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 06:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source statement "The arched base, constructed from rough-hewn limestone, is unique among Kentucky memorials. The zinc statue it supports is typical of stock soldier figures: wearing a uniform with slouch hat and holding a rifle down in front. The soldier also wears a bedroll and canteen."[1] does not seem to say why the arched base is unique. -- Suntag ☼ 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I backed the quote up with the NRHP Nomination form, that is the opnly such monument in Kentucky.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified, hook verified from the article itself. -- Suntag ☼ 18:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to combine this hook with the hook for Confederate Memorial Gateway in Hickman below? There are a whole bunch of hooks here on Confederate memorials and I don't know if it's a good idea to have the same topic represented over and over for several updates in a row...if someone can find something in common between this article and that one below, I think it would be beneficial to combine them into one hook. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 06:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have some bias or something? They are one a day, so they are spread out; there won't be one every update. Sheesh.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 07:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ADDENDUM: Months back, someone had NINE separate hooks in a row, all about a different climatic region of Oregon's. We used them all. Therefore, nothign wronf with 5-6 WNA memorials that are spaced out along a week's time.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 07:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not being biased against your hooks, I'm just suggesting a way to get some hooks done faster and help clear up the backlog while keeping from having very similar things featured several times in a row. The reason I challenged your earlier hook wasn't because I'm biased against these (in fact, as I said, I think you did a good job writing that article), but just because I didn't think the topic of the hook was notable. If no one wants to combine them, fine, it was just a suggestion; there's no need to get all worried about unfair treatment. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that only nine goaltenders have scored a goal in an NHL game? -- new article self-nom by Maxim_(talk) 03:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 03:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps: ... that only nine goaltenders have scored a goal in a National Hockey League game? (for all those living outside North America) —97198 (talk) 09:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. I prefer this one since having "hockey" directly displayed in the hook provides context. -- Suntag ☼ 21:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that hardly anyone in France knew the shape of their country until the Tour de France began publishing maps of its route? (self-nom) Les woodland (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland[reply]

No qualifying article. —97198 (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that when completed in 1988, the 52-storey BankWest Tower in Perth, Western Australia (pictured) was the eighth tallest concrete skyscraper in the world? -- de-stubbed (5x) article, self-nom by Mark 16:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

5X expansion (from 1,722 to 10,205) and November 7 date verified, hook verified from the article itself. Free use of image verified from the Image:Bankwest Tower.jpg image page. -- Suntag ☼ 19:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that FPSBanana, one of the largest video game websites still online, holds over 245,500 users? Created on 23:02, 6 November 2008 and self-nom by Jscorp (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Administrative Department of the Presidency of the Republic is the executive agency in charge of assisting the President of Colombia in the exercise of his duties? -- self-nom by mijotoba (talk) 16:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 6

... that Cornelius DeLameter (pictured) operated a foundry known as the "Asylum" where the first iron steamboat, The Iron Witch, and the machinery for the ironclad warship USS Monitor were built? new article by Hixguy1 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 19:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that inventor Stuart Macrae's book "Winston Churchill's Toyshop" details his work during World War II developing secret weapons including the limpet mine and the sticky bomb? new article by Gaius Cornelius (talk · contribs) and cbl62 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Boy Scouts of America celebrated their fortieth anniversary in 1950 with the theme of Strengthen the Arm of Liberty? Article created by Philly jawn. --Kanonkas : Talk 12:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 12:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Super Lap is a time attack competition held in New Zealand? new article by Motorracer (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 01:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the existence of a 1970 Tonghai earthquake (location pictured) was covered up by Chinese authorities because it occurred during the Cultural Revolution? New article by User:Ceranthor, expanded by Ceranthor and ~the editorofthewiki ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that in 1969 Toyota Motor Corporation imported McLaren M12s and installed their own V8 engines in a bid to better compete against Nissan in Japanese Group 7 races? (self-nom) The359 (talk) 05:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alt hook) ... that when the new Chaparral 2H Can-Am race car did not meet driver John Surtees' satisfaction, he demanded his team purchase a McLaren M12 from their competitors? The359 (talk) 05:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that because Fred Perrett switched from rugby union to rugby league he was often left out of lists of Wales players who died in action during World War I? Self nom -- FruitMonkey (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that David G. Booth gave $300 million – the largest ever gift to a business school - to his alma mater, now renamed the University of Chicago Booth School of Business? Self nom -- Smallbones (talk) 15:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook ref verified. Source says "the largest single gift ever made to a business school." -- Suntag ☼ 18:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Foggerty's Fairy (1881) by W. S. Gilbert included a plot device that anticipates modern fantasy and science fiction stories like Back to the Future? Self nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- New article created by Jack1956 (talk · contribs), expanded by Ssilvers (talk · contribs). --Bruce1ee^talk 08:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that actor Nate Parker was an All-American wrestler in both high school and college?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I count 1,365 characthers and at least 1,500 are needed. -- Suntag ☼ 15:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should be fine now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that hardly anyone in France knew the shape of their country until the Tour de France began publishing maps of its route? (self-nom) Les woodland (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland[reply]

No qualifying article. Also, nom duplicated under "Articles created/expanded on November 7" above. -- Suntag ☼ 15:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Ranulf le Meschin ruled Cumbria before becoming Earl of Chester in 1120? (self-nom) Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 04:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing in the article I could find about Cumbria is "Ranulf's accession may have involved him giving up many of his other lands, including much of his wife's Lincolnshire lands and his land in Cumbria, though direct evidence for this beyond convenient timing is lacking." -- Suntag ☼ 15:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a whole section devoted to his rule of Cumbria before becoming earl of Chester. You are right though that, contrary to what many often say, there is little evidence that he had to give up rule of Cumbria for Chester (may have happened later). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Grace Church (pictured) is the only remaining structure from the once-thriving town of Ca Ira, Virginia? (self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source says "is one of the only remaining buildings of Ca Ira." -- Suntag ☼ 15:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - thought the source mentioned something about it being the only remaining original building. (It's been in userspace for a couple of weeks.) Revised hook follows.

ALT1... that Grace Church (pictured) is one of few remaining structures from the once-thriving town of Ca Ira, Virginia? --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 18:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For ALT1, length, date, and hook verified. -- Suntag ☼ 18:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

for the image. The upload information says "Image taken by me for Wikipedia" however the camera metadata says "Copyright holder Copyright 1,1999", which was before Wikipedia came into existence. Image:NicholasMukomberanwa.jpg, which AlbertHerring uploaded is Public Domain tagged but the image upload notes have a copyright symbol and clearly say "All other uses require prior written permission." -- Suntag ☼ 18:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to bet the camera metadata is a bug from the user's camera; likely the result of a date reset. 1, 1999 either means Jan. 1999 or something else weird, which would indicate the date was likely reset. The "copyright" is probably something else specific to that camera. I'd check other images that come from the Zoran Coach 1.0. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 19:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Richard Rompala increased Valspar's overseas revenues from 3% to almost 30% in his decade-long tenure? new-article self-nom —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The press release[2] says "In the mid-1990s Valspar began an aggressive international expansion, which over the following ten years increased its overseas sales from 3 percent to more than 30 percent of overall sales." Also, the DYK hook should be source to a secondary source that is independent of the article's topics. -- Suntag ☼ 16:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you check further down (look at the first paragraph of "Key Acquisitions of Rompala Era"), it directly attributes their overseas expansion to Rompala. As to a secondary source... I'll try to check LexisNexis for additional corroboration. If nothing else I'll just write a new hook. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 18:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I'm not entirely sure referenceforbusiness.com counts as a primary source; if you look at the bottom of the page, they do list their references (though, of course, there aren't any inline refs). —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 18:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Sorry, that's a further reading section- I misread. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 18:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Sufficient reliable source material used (e.g., it's not all press releases). However, Rompala must have had help in the increase while he was in his decade-long tenure. How about ALT1 ... that overseas revenues rose from 3% in the mid-1990s to almost 30% during the ten years that Richard Rompala helped lead paint and coatings manufacturer Valspar? -- Suntag ☼ 17:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand that alt hook. Assuming you meant "helped lead paint and coatings manufacturer Valspar", it seems inconsistent with the objection that it's intended to satisfy. "Rompala must have had help in the increase ... " from his employees, so perhaps we shouldn't give Rompala all the credit. But "help[ed] lead paint and coatings manufacturer Valspar" says he had help leading the company, not help from employees. Actually, according to the article he was president, CEO and chairman, which made him undisputed leader. Art LaPella (talk) 22:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your assumption about "helped is correct (I changed it above). The ALT1 hook was meant to convey that the rise from 3% began while Rompala helped lead the company. Being the leader while a rise occurs allows for others to have had help in the increase. Rompala was elected president of Valspar May 1994 and he assumed the position of CEO on October 30, 1995. The rise from 3% began in the mid-1990s. If the mid-1990s began on or after the day that Rompala was the undisputed leader, then my ALT1 suggestion would be incorrect. -- Suntag ☼ 19:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in November 1864 Camp Nelson's Union soldiers forced 400 ex-slaves outside its shelter, resulting in 102 exposure deaths? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght and date verified. The reference seems to say 102 deaths, not 103.[3] -- Suntag ☼ 01:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Corrected.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 01:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght date, and reference verified. -- Suntag ☼ 15:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Nausicaä, the main character from the Hayao Miyazaki manga and film, is based on Nausicaa from the Odyssey and "The Princess Who Loved Insects", a Japanese folk hero? -- new article by Malkinann; Nom by ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WOW! a magna fictional character article that actually uses independent secondary sources and lacks the usual copyvio fair use gallery. Now that is a sight to see. Thanks for renewing my faith. -- Suntag ☼ 16:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lenght date, and reference verified. -- Suntag ☼ 16:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing the article! I'm glad to have renewed your faith. :) --Malkinann (talk) 21:15, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Commission on Social Welfare, from 1983 to 1986, reviewed social welfare in Ireland? new article, self-nom Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 22:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Was pretty easy to review since the first sentence was used as the hook. – RyanCross (talk) 02:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a very exciting topic, yes :(. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 03:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that American Joe Lutz became the first foreigner to manage a team in Japanese professional baseball when he was selected to manage the Hiroshima Carp in 1975? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 22:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght date, and reference verified. Thanks for adding the DYK hook verifying quote in footnote 5. That made things much easier. -- Suntag ☼ 16:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Soviet defector Boris Bazhanov became the only assistant at Joseph Stalin's secretariat to ever turn against the Soviet regime? -- new article self-nom by -- Suntag ☼ 22:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- chg'd turned -> turn. Alansohn (talk) 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that dispatchers of some taxicabs use software by Jack Dorsey (pictured), the creator of Twitter? - new article, self nom -SusanLesch (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght date, and reference ("He was in St. Louis and there was no bike messengers there, but he was obsessed with this, so he wrote open source software for dispatching, which to this day is used by many different taxi cab companies.") verified. The facts that Dorsey wrote the taxi software at 14 and that the taxi software was Dorsey's inspiration for the twitter software would enhance the DYK hook. for the image. The image source links to Creative Commons 2.0 license. However, if that is all Wikipedia needs to confirm free use (I am unsure of this and the Wikipedia image page is tagged with "Flickr review needed"), then good to go for the Main Page. -- Suntag ☼ 16:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a bunch for your review. For the image, the FlickreviewR bot has passed it so yes its license is verified and fine. I found a new source for his version of the story. Dorsey had multiple inspirations apparently. But this is probably fair to say. Do you prefer this alt?

ALT1 ... that at age 14, Jack Dorsey (pictured) began the software that dispatches some taxicabs and that inspired him to create Twitter?

For ALT1 - Lenght date, and reference verified. Image Free use verified from Wikipedia image page and Flickr image link to cc. -- Suntag ☼ 16:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Captain Charles Cunningham (pictured) struck a decisive blow against the mutineers at the Nore when he sailed his ship to Sheerness? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that the successful escape from the multi-ship mutiny at the Nore by Royal Navy Captain Charles Cunningham (pictured) in 1797 led to that mutiny's failure? -- Suntag ☼ 16:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that BOHICA is an acronym that means "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again"? -- new article self-nom by Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like the referencing. Could you use something like {{cite web}} instead? – RyanCross (talk) 02:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. :) Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 02:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that, in 784, due to wars and famine in the capital Chang'an region, Emperor Dezong of Tang sent the official Liu Zi to Nanchang to conduct imperial examinations for examinees from southern China? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 17:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date accepted, hook accepted from the referenced article content. -- Suntag ☼ 17:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the small town of Almoloya del Río (pop. 7,992) in central Mexico hosts an international biker rally every year? -- new article, self-nom by Thelmadatter (talk) 16:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the German football club TSV Gerbrunn, despite losing the 2003 Bavarian Cup final by a record 0–14, still advanced to the 2003-04 German Cup, where it again lost 0–14 and was knocked-out? -- new article, self-nom by EA210269 (talk) 11:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Ropar Wetland, (pictured) has ecological diversity with at least 9 mammal, 154 bird (migratory and local), 35 fish, 9 arthropod, 11 rotifer, 9 crustacean and 10 protozoan species?--Nvvchar (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Victorian plant collector, Charles Curtis, who first introduced the pitcher plant, Nepenthes northiana (pictured), to England, went on to become the first superintendent of the Penang Botanic Gardens? -- new articles, self-nom by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Charles Curtis article sentence "Unfortunately, the first consignment of plants collected was lost due to the treachery of a native servant ..." appears to be copied from orchids.co.in. -- Suntag ☼ 17:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now re-worded, although most of the content of orchids.co.in itself has been copied verbatim from other sources. (some of the typos and mis-spellings are outrageous!). --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone else should be along to complete the DYK review. -- Suntag ☼ 14:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that when cellist George Sopkin auditioned for the Chicago Symphony Orchestra at age 18, conductor Frederick Stock looked at him and remarked "so we're taking Boy Scouts now?" -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 05:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook, and refs all good. That is a funny hook. I laughted out loud when I read it. -- Suntag ☼ 17:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Henry Fitz was the first American to make refractor telescopes and constructed the largest refracting telescopes in America on five different occasions? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 00:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length, hook, and refs all good. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 04:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Miguel Ramón Izquierdo was the last Francoist mayor of Valencia, Spain and secured the transfer of the Turia River gardens from the Spanish crown to local administration? new article, self-nom by Valenciano Valenciano (talk) 19:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Odd Isaachsen Willoch, an uncle of later Norwegian Prime Minister Kåre Willoch, commanded the ship HNoMS Eidsvold which was sunk in 1940 during the Battles of Narvik? -- co-nomination by Manxruler and Punkmorten (talk) 13:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

End of sentence citation needed in the article for the DYK hook. -- Suntag ☼ 18:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I might also suggest I slightly different hook:

ALT1... that Captain Odd Isaachsen Willoch, an uncle of later Norwegian Prime Minister Kåre Willoch, was lost with his ship in 1940 during the Battles of Narvik? -- co-nomination by Punkmorten and Manxruler (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For ALT1 - Length, date, and hook verified. I added "1940" to the ALT1 hook to give some time context. -- Suntag ☼ 18:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that many Polish Jews were sheltered by Polish individuals, organizations and communities during the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Poland? --article by User:Poeticbent, User:Ecoleetage and myself, nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not following the creation date of the article. The article shows a 16:28, 6 November 2008 creation date. However, the article talk page speaks of an article in existance as of 23:50, 31 October 2008. The log does not help. For DYK purposes, this seems to be a 5x expansion review rather than a review of a new article. It would help the DYK review to have more details on this. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 18:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article history: a diferent article with the same name was created on October 31, but it was tagged for copyright violations and was later deleted. The article that is nominated here is a new article that began in a user sandbox and was moved into the space that was occupied by the deleted piece. I hope that helps to clarify things. Ecoleetage (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALT HOOK: ... that historian Richard C. Lukas estimated that upwards of one million Poles were involved in the rescue of Jews by Polish communities during the Holocaust? Ecoleetage (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For ALT HOOK - Ref verified (source says:"Recent research suggests that a million Poles were involved, but some estimates go as high as three million."). DYK date, length, and use of 1,500 characther standard accepted based on Ecoleetage's 14:32, 8 November 2008 above. -- Suntag ☼ 16:21, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that one of the international polls on the 2008 U.S. presidential election found 22% of German women would have an affair with Barack Obama? -- self-nom Joshdboz (talk) 17:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 5

... that Zeituni Onyango is the half-aunt of President-elect Barack Obama and a political asylum claimant from Kenya whose case was disclosed in the final days of the 2008 U.S. presidential election? -- new article by User:Hobartimus; cleaned-up and Nom by -- Banjeboi 19:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Article is at AfD which I expect to be resolved as nom has withdrawn. Also US elections may warrant the modifying of Obama's title. I've updated link to President-elect per the election outcome. AfD closed. Here's the reference used that covers both facts -- Banjeboi 13:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Length verified. DYK date actually is November 5, 2008 since the four days of the AfD toll the DYK date. As for the hook, this source says "They are looking into whether there was a violation of policy in publicly disclosing individual case information." Instead of "leaked", what about using "disclosed"? -- Suntag ☼ 22:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Amended. Everything else verified. Cunard (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Amendment is fine, sources stated leaked, disclosed and other statements so either is fine by me. -- Banjeboi 01:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the works of Azerbaijan-born artist Semyon Bilmes (example pictured) have been featured in Reader's Digest, the New York Times and in advertisements for AT&T and Citibank? new article by Phronesis66 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 01:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in 2000, Megan Seefeldt of Kutztown University became the first woman in the Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference to win an individual title? article by Btrobinson (talk · contribs) nomination by Parthian Scribe 17:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bernhard's surrealist novel The Lime Works opens with a woman’s brains scattered across the floor of an abandoned lime works, and a half-frozen man crouching nearby, covered in manure? new article by Daubmir (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 00:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that US President-elect Barack Obama, delivered his acceptance speech (pictured) behind 2 inches of bulletproof glass? - (self nom) --Flewis^(talk) 02:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Qualifying Industrial Zones are special free-trade zones in Jordan and Egypt created to take advantage of the free trade agreements between the United States and Israel? Zithan (talk) 15:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that at Royal Rumble (1993), for the first time, the winner of the Royal Rumble match was guaranteed a match for the WWF Championship at WrestleMania, which subsequently became an annual tradition? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the day after Royal Rumble (1993), Ric Flair lost a loser leaves town match and did not wrestle for the WWF again until 2001? GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that at Royal Rumble (1993), Giant Gonzalez made his WWF debut by eliminating the Undertaker from the Royal Rumble match despite not being a participant? GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the historic Charles Shorey House (pictured) mixes both gambrel and gable roofs? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 07:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. I also made some tweaks to the article. – RyanCross (talk) 02:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Polish-Armenian Roman Catholic priest, Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski was ordered to be silent by the Krakow Curia because of his clergy lustration activities? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 03:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that ballet impresario George de Cuevas faced Serge Lifar in a 1958 duel with swords, that was described as "the most delicate encounter in the history of French dueling"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 23:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added some links. --74.14.18.233 (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Black Iraqis still maintain their African heritage in healing ceremonies? Taprobanus (talk) 22:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and ref verified. — BillC ^talk 02:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the curfew law associated with the curfew bell started by Alfred the Great was abolished by Henry I of England? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that The Finnish Association of Graduate Engineers is a trade union which requires its full members to have at least a master's degree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPorciusCato (talk • contribs)

Whose nom is this? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it's MPorciusCato's. BobAmnertiopsis ∴_ChatMe! 22:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does "Graduate" already mean people with a master's or doctor's degree? Are they rejecting applications for membership from people who got straight to a PhD program after undergraduate, skipping the master's? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In Finland, it is impossible to skip the master's. Foreign PhDs with such qualifications would be allowed, I think. On the other hand, it was possible until 2005 to skip the bachelor's degree. The study to master's degree without a bachelor took five years after high school graduation. (BTW, I edited this nomination a little.) --MPorciusCato (talk) 15:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that during the history of San Diego State University some students joined the armed forces during World War II and assisted in the Doolittle Raid over Japan? New article, self-nom. Nehrams2020 (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alt. hook) ... that during the history of San Diego State University several students attempted to pull a prank by dumping marshmallows from a plane, but accidentally crashed the plane on campus instead? New article, self-nom. Nehrams2020 (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that during one trial of the Mexican Inquisition, 123 men were accused of homosexuality but 99 managed to escape before the proceedings? self-nom by Thelmadatter (talk) 19:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that ballerina Rosella Hightower received critical acclaim in 1947 after filling in for the sick Alicia Markova and learning the role of Giselle in five hours, having never danced the part before? -- fivefold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the digital time capsule A Message From Earth which was transmitted towards the planet Gliese 581c, included a message submitted by actress Gillian Anderson consisting of two images of George W. Bush and Barack Obama? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom. Please feel free to make any suggestions on alternate hooks if you can think of something better than this. Chamal ^talk 15:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This hook is too long at 222 characters. But how about:

ALT: ... that a digital time capsule "A Message From Earth" was transmitted to the planet Gliese 581c and included a message by actress Gillian Anderson comprised of images of George W. Bush and Barack Obama? --Bruce1ee^talk 14:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me :) Chamal ^talk 16:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT hook verified (length, date and refs fine). --Bruce1ee^talk 06:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

19th century telegraph pole

... that Harrison Gray Dyar erected the first telegraph line (telegraph pole pictured) and dispatched the first message over it ever sent, being designated by the U.S. Supreme Court as the real inventor of the telegraph? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added a pic. How about this for an alternate hook:

ALT: ... that Harrison Gray Dyar erected the first telegraph line (telegraph pole pictured) and dispatched over it the first message ever sent, making him the real inventor of the telegraph? --Bruce1ee^talk 14:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like Bruce1ee's ALT better and with the pic, works for me. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ALT hook verified - length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Tzvia Greenfeld is the first Haredi woman to serve as a member of the Knesset? new article, self nom. -- Nudve (talk) 14:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Ludvík Čelanský was the founder and the first principal conductor of the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra? - self-nomination. --Vejvančický (talk) 10:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that on 25 October of this year, the Navy Midshipmen football team played their 1,200th game, making them the second team in the Football Bowl Subdivision to reach that mark? - expanded and cleaned up, self-nomination. Msr iaidoka (talk) 09:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No qualifying article, but only if we strictly interpret the rule that tables don't count towards the 1500 character minimum. This may be an exception because it's 60,000 characters of tables. Art LaPella (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was unaware that the tables would not count towards the word count. There not, as of yet, any pages for individual seasons for Navy Midshipmen football so this is all there really is. I hope it is acceptable. Msr iaidoka (talk) 01:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Livermore, Pennsylvania was abandoned in the early 1950s so that the area could be made into a reservoir to prevent flooding to Pittsburgh? — expansion, self nom, Grsz ¹¹ ^→Review! 05:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that a rare Manjampatti White Bison and Indian Tiger pugmarks were recently seen near Kukkal village in Tamil Nadu state, South India? -- new article, self nom by Marcus (talk) 05:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

link new article 'Manjampatti White Bison' = two new articles in one hook Marcus (talk) 04:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the hills about Kukkal in Tamil Nadu, India are famous for the Manjampatti White Bison?- created by User:Marcus334 and nom by -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 18:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This rewrite is incorrect. Originial hook is correct as it stands. See hidden text in refs Notes 8 and 9 at Kukkal. Marcus (talk) 16:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in October 2008, the biofuel company Mascoma received a US$26 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to develop a cellulosic fuel production facility? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added a link. --74.14.18.233 (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 05:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Ann Nixon Cooper, the subject of Barack Obama's presidential acceptance speech, served for more than fifty years in public work on the board of Gate City Nursery Association? - Article by User:Anoopkn, nominated by: --Flewis^(talk) 01:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Currently a backlog of 86 hooks as of 03:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
Backlog of 75 hooks as of 03:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
Backlog of about 70 hooks as of 03:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
Backlog of about 64 hooks as of 03:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
Max backlog of 53 hooks as of 03:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)

Articles created/expanded on November 4

... that Pigs in the City (pictured) is a public art initiative in Lexington, North Carolina, the self-proclaimed Barbecue Capital of the World? new article by Dennis Brown (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 18:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Image:Symbol confirmed.svg~~ Length, hook, referencing checks out (length is barely over 1500, but just makes it); image is free. Some people might disagree over how notable it is, but ILIKEIT so I'm verifying it. (Just kidding, I actually think it's notable too.) Will be cleaning up the refs in a moment. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Jumped the gun on that one... after cleaning up the article some, it's below 1500b and several bits had to get tagged {{fact}} or {{or}} (so the character count might go down even more once those are deleted). It's a cute article, but I don't think I can pass it right now. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I accidently saw that someone nominated this. I added some other material to the article, removed the OR, added more cites. I am the original author, and would obviously love to see it used if it meets the guidelines. Or Lexington Barbecue Festival for that matter. Thanks for even considering it. DENNIS BROWN (T) (C) 23:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - After recent edits, the length is up to about 1900b and the earlier citing problems are taken care of, so I can re-verify this one. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the protagonists in the independent film Ninjas vs. Zombies fight back against the undead with an unexpected weapon -- the power of the Ninja? new article by Psphenom (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 18:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This hook reads like promotional material. I would suggest finding a different hook, but after looking at the article, there is almost nothing there that isn't either speculation (e.g., "Ninjas Vs. Zombies could easily make a true name for itself") or blatantly promotional (e.g., "What follows is, as the press kit describes it, 'a whirlwind of magic, swordplay, hand-to-hand combat, gunfire and simmering sarcasm'"). Not much that can be done to save this. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - And just in case that wasn't enough...after I removed the blatant plagiarism, the article length is down to about 800b. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 19:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I understand your comments Politzer, but there is a tremendous fan base for zombie movies, and this article meets notability standards. I've beefed up the content, including sourced information from several horror film publications, and I think it now meets DYK standards. I'd propose the following as an Alternative hook:
- ... that the independent zombie parody Ninjas vs. Zombies, shot in Northern Virginia, led one reviewer to ask, "There are ninjas, and there are zombies, what more do you need?" new article by Psphenom (talk · contribs) and cbl62 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs)
  - At a glance, most of the refs you've added seem to be from blog posts or similarly questionable sources. Also, the Reception section is mostly long quotes taken from other articles, with little actual summarizing and describing in our own words (ie, instead of "X, Y, and Z praised the film," it looks more like "X said '...', Y said '...', and Z said '...'"); if I count the article length without counting all the quoted material, I wouldn't be surprised if it's still too short.... Anyway, without even getting into policy issues of whether or not these refs are good, I will just point out that the text of one of the refs you cite is "Really, its ninjas vs freakin’ zombies; on Halloween! You WANT to see this, and you CAN find child care. The kids are sleeping at Midnight. Or, you CAN make that party - the first screening is done by 11:30. What? Do we need to send the zombie army to drag you there? HUH???!!! Breathe…breathe. What’s that, you say? NINJAS vs what?..." (which continues on for a while). I think it's pretty clear that that is not the stuff we want on Wikipedia. I will take another closer look at the article, but I doubt it's going to be able to pass. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - It sounds to me like you're not a fan of zombie movies :) ? Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Wow, people today are really having a field day accusing me of IDONTLIKEIT. Anyway, Cbl62, I don't have any problem with zombie movies; I have a problem with badly written articles. Ok, wikibreak time. Cbl62, it's not that I dislike zombie movies, it's just that this article is not in shape to be featured on the front page. (~~Oh, and, just so there is something substantive to this message:~~ I have cleaned up the article again and the length is around 1160b. Still too short, and most sources are either SPS or blog; I will be pointing out the questionable sources specifically in the article's talk page.)—Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A further concern is that this article is about an upcoming film. Per DYK's Unwritten rule C2 we don't include articles that could be construed as an advertisement. That would exclude this article regardless of the sources, length, etc.Nrswanson (talk) 21:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The release date is listed as 10/31/08, and the sources show it was shown publicly on that date in a theater in Va., so I'm not sure Art's unwritten rule applies. Look, I didn't write the article, but it seemed like a good one to me, an interesting eye-catching topic... just what I think we need on DYK. I realize a lot of folks don't care for low-budget horror flix, just as some (like me) think pro wrestling is crap. But we need to take care in not imposing our own personal view of what is legitimate content. Until yesterday, I hadn't posted anything here for a month -- in part because of what I perceive as too much drama and politics. I thought "Zombies vs. Ninjas" was a cool topic, and the theatrical trailer looks good to me, but I haven't seen it, have no stake in it, and if others conclude it's inappropriate, so be it. Cbl62 (talk) 21:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, the article and the first two refs given imply that the 10/31 showing was a sort of unofficial sneak peek ("Bootleg Premiere," whatever that means). IMDB has its release date as October 31, but we all know how IMDB is. The film's official website says "coming soon" or something like that at the bottom. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article has now been pretty well cleaned up. To avoid any suggestion that the hook is an advertisement for the film, I suggest the following further alt hook:

... that the independent zombie parody Ninjas vs. Zombies led one reviewer to note that the new film should not be confused with 1987's "Ninja vs. Zombie" or 1997's "Zombie Ninja Gangbangers"? new article by Psphenom (talk · contribs) and cbl62 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs) Cbl62 (talk) 02:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That hook is not very informative, it's just taking one writer's satire and taking it out of context; if I were looking at that on the front page without having worked on the article, that hook would be pretty much meaningless. I'm looking around the article right now to see if there's any good hook material (I still think the article isn't good enough for main page, but if we must feature it then we should at least dig up a decent hook...). —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Michigan Tech Huskies, from Michigan's Upper Peninsula, have won three NCAA Division I ice hockey championships with alumni including Tony Esposito? new article by Bhockey10 (talk · contribs) and cbl62 (talk · contribs), nom. by cbl62 (talk · contribs), Cbl62 (talk) 23:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- (alt:) ... that the Michigan Tech Huskies, from Michigan's Upper Peninsula, have won three NCAA Division I championships in ice hockey, with players such as Tony Esposito? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Length, hook, refs verified. I made an alternate hook, which I think is better. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I agree with Politizer that his alt hook reads more smoothly. Cbl62 (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that most of the information available about English novelist Phebe Gibbes is derived from an application to the Royal Literary Fund for financial support in 1804?- created by User:Eobata and nom by -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 18:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bank of Spain

... that during the Spanish Civil War, the Republican government, in an operation known as the Moscow Gold, ordered the transfer of 510 tonnes of gold from the Bank of Spain (pictured) to the Soviet Union? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by CarlosPatiño (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: expansion of the article completed on November 4. The beginning of the expansion started in its translation a while back.--CarlosPatiño (talk) 04:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Added more in-line citations to clarify the sources verifying the hook.--CarlosPatiño (talk) 22:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Unfortunately, the expansion doesn't qualify for DYK. The five-fold expansion must take place within about 5 days (see DYK rules). At the end of November 4 (when you said the expansion was completed) this article was 44k; on October 25, before the Nov 2 - Nov 4 expansion began, it was 35k. So the five-fold expansion didn't happen quickly enough. Sorry, —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah, oh well. I'll keep it in mind for the next time. --CarlosPatiño (talk) 02:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... ~~that Vin Denson is the only English rider to have won a stage of the Giro d'Italia?~~ Article created by User talk:Les woodland. Nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Err... 'only British rider' .. not true. Scotland's Robert Millar won a stage in 1987 on his way to finishing second overall and becoming King of the Mountains. Denson and Millar are the only two to have won a stage (see the bottom of this page). I've corrected the article; how about that he's one of only two, or that he was the first? --DeLarge (talk) 15:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks DeLarge. I've corrected the hook above to read 'only English rider', but the alternative hook would also be ok. See Below. Autodidactyl (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Vin Denson is one of only two British riders that have won a stage of the Giro d'Italia? Article created by User talk:Les woodland. Nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC) or[reply]

... that in 1966 Vin Denson became the first British rider to win a stage of the Giro d'Italia? Autodidactyl (talk) 12:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything checks out. I prefer either of the last two hooks. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that according to musical analyst Sir Donald Tovey, every page of Opus 20, composed in 1772 by Haydn (pictured), the father of the string quartet, is "of historic and aesthetic importance"? -- new article by Ravpapa (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 06:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and hook verified, offline ref accepted in good faith. Image free use verified. Great hook. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific University Health Professions Campus

... that Pacific University’s first building at its Health Professions Campus in Hillsboro, Oregon, attained LEED gold status? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 07:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Union general Robert Alexander Cameron participated in the 1863 Vicksburg Campaign, where he was slightly wounded in his eyes during the Battle of Port Gibson? (new article by User:AdjustShift, expanded by User:Kresock) AdjustShift (talk) 10:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and refs verified (offline ref can be accepted in good faith), but hook is kind of boring. Might I suggest: " ...that before becoming an general in the American Civil War, Robert Alexander Cameron worked as a newspaper publisher? (If you use this hook, you will have to re-verify the newspaper publisher thing, because right now it's tagged {{fact}}. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Jheryl Busby, once President and CEO of Motown Records, was a major shareholder of the first African-American-owned national bank in the US along with Janet Jackson and Magic Johnson? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Confederate Memorial Gateway in Hickman, Kentucky took ten years and $10,000 to build? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in the 5th century BC, Theodorus of Cyrene created the Spiral of Theodorus which made square roots up to the square root of 17 easily constructable by means of the Pythagorean theorem? Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by --pbroks13^talk? 22:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice hook but the article has not been expanded 5x in the last 5 days. --Bruce1ee^talk 12:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yikes. 5 times? I'll see what I can do. Its at 2x right now. --pbroks13^talk? 09:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - The expansion is actually 2453/1559 or about 1.6x. The prose portion of the article, not the entire article, must expand 5 times to be considered as new. For details see #Instructions (and "Unwritten" Rule A2). So you might want to start with a new article. Art LaPella (talk) 03:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Clarence W. Spangenberger was the last president of Cornell Steamboat Company, whose more than 60 vessels made it the largest tugboat company in the United States? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that attorney P. Cameron DeVore died of an apparent heart attack, but jested in a self-written obituary that he had succumbed to "a surfeit of pâté de fois gras ice cream smothered in huckleberries"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 17:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that William Jay Bolton was the first artist in the United States to design and manufacture figural stained glass windows? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Mark Canton, producer of 300 and The Spiderwick Chronicles, started his movie career working in the mail room of Warner Bros.? -- new article self-nom by Fram (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Harike Wetland (pictured) with the Harike Lake formed across the Sutlej River by a barrage built in 1953 has a concentration of migratory fauna of waterfowls with number of globally threatened species.--Nvvchar (talk) 11:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- barrage was dab'ed to barrage (tidal). Confirm that this is accurate. Alansohn (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Barrage is on the river and far away from the tidal zone, please. Hence, introducing (tidal) would not be proper.Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - If barrage (tidal) is misleading, then the disambiguation page barrage is more misleading, because it asks the reader to choose between the same barrage (tidal) article and several other meanings of "barrage" that aren't related to water at all. Could we change it to a synonym like "dam"? Also, "... of migratory fauna of waterfowls with number of ..." is confusing in English. Based on the second reference, I think it means "... of migratory waterfowl with a number of ..." Art LaPella (talk) 02:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Barrage is a very common usage in India to define low height headworks on rivers. Since there is a confusion due to disambuation, headworks could replace the name barrage. On the second part, I agree with your suggestion.I have reworded the Hook as under.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        ... that Harike Wetland (pictured) with the Harike Lake formed across the Sutlej River by a headwork built in 1953 has a concentration of migratory waterfowl with a number of globally threatened species?--Nvvchar (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        "Headwork" is also unfamiliar to me as an American, and it's missing from unspecialized dictionaries. But I found barrage (engineering) redirects to sluice. So I suggest [[sluice|barrage]] or [[sluice|headwork]] (or just "sluice" or "sluice gate"). I also removed the "s" from "waterfowls", added "a" before "number", and changed the period to a question mark (we have a rule about question marks). Art LaPella (talk) 05:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        Can we adopt the word "Headregulator" which would be more appropriate than a sluice. In case that is also not found in the unspecialised dictionary, adopting the word "Dam" could be a better alternative. Similar change has to be made on another article on the Kanjli Wetland posted by me here on 1st November. I am now also considering writing an article on Barrage to bridge the gap in the data base on the subject.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bill Stall of the Los Angeles Times won the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Writing for a series of editorials the Pulitzer board said "served as a model for addressing complex state issues"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that The ABC of Communism by Nikolai Bukharin and Evgenii Preobrazhensky was the most widely read political work in Soviet Russia? new article, self nom Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 02:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

251 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 03:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I subtracted 36 characters, which still leaves it a bit long. Otto4711 (talk) 03:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted a bit that I wasn't sure about adding in the first place. I hope its ok now. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 22:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Henri Joseph Fenet, a soldier in World War II, was awarded the Croix de Guerre by France and the Knight's Cross by Germany? -- new article self nom by Jim Sweeney (talk) 09:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The article has some style issues...more importantly, as far as I can tell, it doesn't say a word about the fact that he apparently (if I'm understanding it right) voluntarily switched sides from France to Germany, and I presume there must be some interesting backstory to that. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Connecticut River Museum is located in a restored 1878 steamboat warehouse? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that in 1919, Poland tried to overthrow the Lithuanian government, but the premature Sejny Uprising resulted in the plan's failure? --self-nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Eugene Vaulot of the Waffen SS destroyed eight tanks during the Battle of Berlin in 1945, earning himself a Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross days before he was killed in action by a sniper? -- new article by Jim Sweeney (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 06:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two ideas:

... that the 1835 Greek Revival Cannon Building (pictured) in Troy, New York was rebuilt after an 1870 fire with a Second Empire mansard roof?
... that the 1835 Cannon Building is the oldest on Monument Square in Troy, New York? Both self-noms; expanded almost 5x by me starting this date. Daniel Case (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that B.P. Newman, a business entrepreneur from Laredo, began operations with a dairy distributorship but branched into restaurants, subdivisions, apartments, and ranches throughout much of Texas?--self-nom, new articleBilly Hathorn (talk) 04:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article has been listed at AfD. Consider if kept. Daniel Case (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from 31 October 2008 nom to 4 November 2008 nom to account for the 5 days at AfD. -- Suntag ☼ 20:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 3

... that the Union Station in Owensboro, Kentucky was once turned into a discothèque and a pizza parlor? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 18:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Length and hook verified, offline ref accepted in good faith. Nice work, Bedford. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 03:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that pianist and composer Moshe Cotel chose to become a rabbi after meeting a Holocaust survivor who was so inspired by his retelling of the story of Alfred Dreyfus that she had returned to Judaism? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. "chose to become a rabbi" verified. However, the source says
"Rabbi Cotel told The Jewish Week in March that he was inspired, while in Europe to conduct performances of “Dreyfus,” by a German woman who told him that the retelling of the story of the maligned French army officer prompted her to take Hebrew lessons."
That does not seem to support the DYK Hook idea that "she had returned to Judaism". -- Suntag ☼ 19:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source from The New York Times covering the paragraph states that "After returning from Europe, he spotted the woman on the street. She greeted him in Hebrew and told him that she had been so inspired by his telling of the Dreyfus story that she had returned to Judaism, an identity she had forsaken since the Nazi onslaught." (see here). The source was explicitly added to reference the sentence in question. Thanks for the catch. Alansohn (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. I duplicated the ref to make things clearer in the article. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:43, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... that Bus Stop, a 1961–1962 ABC series starring Marilyn Maxwell as the owner of a diner in a small Colorado town, was loosely based on the William Inge play of the same name?--self-nom , new article Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Usual issue. All the refs but one (and another very vague "television schedule" ref which isn't necessarily a physical source) are cited to user-edited TV.com and IMDb. —97198 (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - ... that Bus Stop, a 1961–1962 ABC series starring Marilyn Maxwell as the owner of a diner in a small Colorado town, was loosely based on the William Inge play of the same name? The above is true and is cited in a short New York Times link too.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's not an article or anything, just a mini-profile with just about nothing in it. Regardless of whether or not that ref is valuable for verifying, the fact remains that the article itself does not have enough valid sources and shouldn't be featured on the main page, even if the hook itself is verifiable. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 2

... ~~that space rock band The Boxing Lesson's drummer was sent to prison for five years for "conspiracy to manufacture marijuana"?~~ - or - ... that space rock band The Boxing Lesson uses a Moog synthesizer in place of a bass guitar? - article created November 2. Self-nom. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 13:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- The fact in the first hook doesn't really tell us a whole lot about the band, and it's pretty derogatory towards the drummer (can you imagine any other case in which you would mention a living person on the front page of Wikipedia solely to point out that he was sent to prison for marijuana?) so I'm just going to strike it out for good; the second hook doesn't really say anything notable, unless you can establish (maybe somewhere in the article) why the use of the Moog synthesizer is notably different than what other bands do. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

... ~~that the name "Manchester United Football Club" is generally believed to have been suggested by Louis Rocca?~~ -- new article self-nom by – PeeJay 21:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OR ... that former Manchester United football manager Matt Busby was brought to the club by Louis Rocca? – PeeJay 21:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - First hook is not supported by information in the article (which says that Rocca claimed to have suggested the name but that most people nowadays think that was "apocryphal"). Second half is more easily verifiable... but I did notice that the writing style of this article is very informal (stuff like "Rocca knew just the man," "maintained that MU was his brainchild until his dying day," "Duncan was sacked," etc.), which might make it undesirable to feature this on the main page. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 05:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - The language of the article can easily be fixed, although personally I don't see what's wrong with the phrases you've mentioned. – Pee Jay 19:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have added three separate sources supporting the claim that Rocca was behind the name "Manchester United", including references from the Manchester Evening News and The Daily Telegraph. To address any issues regarding the originally proposed hook, can I suggest "... that the name "Manchester United Football Club" is said to have been suggested by Louis Rocca, though some believe the claim to be apocryphal?" as an alternate hook that is supported by these references. Alansohn (talk) 21:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I quite like that hook. It's more interesting than the one about Matt Busby and is now better sourced. – Pee Jay 00:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        The telegraph ref is not enough, the Manchester Evening News ref might help. I can't get it up right now (the site is temporarily down for maintenance), so I'll wait until that source is available again before I try to verify. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 1

... that the Arabian Hall of the Winter Palace was named after four "massive Negroes" who were attendants of the Tsar, one of whom, from 1896, was the American Jim Hercules? -- article by User:Giano II (recently moved to mainspace from a userpage); nom by Testing times (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is referenced to "Massie", but it is not clear what Massie is. Also, the hook makes no connection between "Blackamoor" and the "massive Negroes". Also, some people might be offended by having "massive Negroes" on the Main Page without more context. Also, there is no context as to who is Jim Hercules in the hook other than he was a massive negro. -- Suntag ☼ 23:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 * ... that one-third of '''[[Socio-economic problems of India|India's population]]''' (roughly equivalent to the entire population of the United States) lives below the poverty line? article by {{user|Gppande}} nomination by [[User:Parthian Scribe|Parthian Scribe]] 18:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
-*... that the 18 '''[[List of King of the Ring winners|winners of the King of the Ring]]''' have won in ten different [[U.S. states]]? article by {{user|SRX}}.--'''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''' 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
+*... <s>that the 18 '''[[List of King of the Ring winners|winners of the King of the Ring]]''' have won in ten different [[U.S. states]]?</s> article by {{user|SRX}}.--'''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''' 18:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 **[[Image:Symbol question.svg|18px]] The article length and refs look ok, but this hook doesn't really say anything interesting, it's pretty much just saying what the article is. It also forces the reader to do a bunch of counting.  Can you suggest a different hook? &mdash;[[User:Politizer|Politizer]]&nbsp;<small><sup>'''[[User talk:Politizer|talk]]'''</sup></small>/<small><sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Politizer|contribs]]'''</sub></small> 19:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
-***Alt:... that the there have been 18 '''[[List of King of the Ring winners|winners of the King of the Ring]]''' since its inception in 1985?--'''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''' 20:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
+***Alt:... <s>that the there have been 18 '''[[List of King of the Ring winners|winners of the King of the Ring]]''' since its inception in 1985?</s>--'''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''' 20:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 ****What about: ... that professional wrestler [[Bret Hart]] is the only person that has '''[[List of King of the Ring winners|won the King of the Ring tournament]]''' more than once? [[User:Nikki311|<font color="Teal">'''Nikki'''</font>]][[User Talk:Nikki311|<font color="Salmon">'''311'''</font>]] 20:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
+*****[[Image:Symbol confirmed.svg|18px]] That's a hook I can get behind. (Well, it's not perfect, but good enough, and there's no point starting a huge discussion over it.) &mdash;[[User:Politizer|Politizer]]&nbsp;<small><sup>'''[[User talk:Politizer|talk]]'''</sup></small>/<small><sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/Politizer|contribs]]'''</sub></small> 03:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ... that at one time, the '''[[Sneath Glass Company]]''' produced almost 90 percent of the glassware used in consumer refrigerators in the United States? article by {{user|TwoScars}} nomination by [[User:Parthian Scribe|Parthian Scribe]] 18:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 [[Image:Akula class submarine.JPG|80px|right|An Akula class submarine]]