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====Prince Kamal el Dine Hussein====
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====Architecture of Mumbai====
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on August 16

Articles created/expanded on August 15

Prince Kamal el Dine Hussein

  • ... that Prince Kamal el Dine Hussein, the only person in Egyptian history to have voluntarily renounced his rights of succession to the throne, did so to pursue a life of discovery and travel?

Created by BomBom (talk). Self nom at 01:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Architecture of Mumbai

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 17:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Otomi grammar

Created by Maunus (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gold Glove Award winners at pitcher

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 00:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IWGP Tag Team Championship

5x expanded by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jamali Kamali Mosque and Tomb

  • ... that in Jamali Kamali Mosque and Tomb (pictured), the tomb chamber has two graves, one of Jamali, the poet and other of an unknown Kamali, reason for the Kamali name may be that it alliterates with Jamali?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that in Jamali Kamali Mosque and Tomb (pictured), the tomb chamber has two graves, one of Jamali the poet, and another of an unknown Kamali, who might have been chosen because his name rhymes with Jamali? Art LaPella (talk) 19:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coyote Gold Mine

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tlaxcala

  • Comment: Im sure this meets the 5x criteria but if you look at the old version, almost all of it was about the pre-Hispanic kingdom, not the modern state

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perinpanayagam Sivaparan

Created by Pectore (talk). Self nom at 00:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 14

Noirmoutier-en-l'Île

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 09:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Milton Odem House

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jambo! Safari

Created by Jtalledo (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Pro Bowl

Created by Mobile Snail (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Nominated on August 12 but requirements met August 14.

Oregon Bach Festival

  • Comment: I just expanded this from a stub. I think it meets all the criteria. Thanks!

5x expanded by Imaginesuccess (talk). Self nom at 23:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew E. Welsh

Governor of Indiana Matthew E. Welsh

5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please fix the typos and grammatical errors in the article and the hook. Also, please add more sources; they should not be hard to find for a former governor. I personally find the hook hard to believe and would appreciate an online source for it. Shubinator (talk) 00:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, but I am not submitting this article for featured status or good article status.. OR anything besides this DYK. I beleive the two online sources I have provided for the hook. and well as the book source should be sufficient. —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 12:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In my opinion, that shouldn't be the case. We don't expect GA or B-class work, but I would generally like to see an article that at least follows the basic spirit of the Verifiability policy - multiple reliable sources used throughout the article, not just three in one spot and one throughout the entirety of the rest. NW (Talk) 17:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand your point, if I can locate another source that goes into detail on Welsh's life I would be glad to use it to improve the article. (I do disagree slightly though. I believe a single comprehensive source is better than a scattering of non-comprehensive sources). However, the only book available at my library is the one that I am using now, and a search on google books and google turns up nothing else of significance that can be viewed online. For the hook in question, there are two online source i have linked above and will add to the article for verification. However, the national governor's association biography of Welsh, and the NYT obituary are the only other summaries I have found online and both are currently in the external links section. And again not to pick, but many (a majority maybe?) of DYK articles are sourced from a single source. I know in the past I have personally had DYKs from a single source, (the same as the one I am using now in fact) and they were accepted (by the current objector in fact) and were displayed on the main. I would urge you to assume good faith, and review the online references I have also supplied. If you feel the hook his still not suitable, I won't take it personally. lol. :) —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 22:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish cruiser Baleares

Created by Bart133 (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looks okay, but you will need to de-bullet the service history section as bullet-pointed text is not counted toward the DYK bytecount, as a result of which your article currently only stands at about 850 bytes long. Gatoclass (talk) 23:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am new to this nomination process - is this rule for bulleted text a blanket rule? What is the rationale? It seems to me that sometimes bulleted sections can be very substantial parts of an article. Imaginesuccess (talk) 00:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay fair enough, but what is the rationale? Sometimes a substantial (and prose-like) section of an article is much clearer when expressed as a bulleted list. Is leeway ever given in such cases, I guess is my question. It seems like this is such an example. Having bullets in front of each sentence doesn't render it non-prose. Maybe I should start a discussion on the rule page you cited above. Thanks! Imaginesuccess (talk) 00:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The bullets make it harder to read and break the flow. We sometimes do make exceptions, but they are rare. The material here shouldn't be in bullets in the first place. (Oh, and Wikipedia talk:Did you know is the place to start a discussion.) Shubinator (talk) 00:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Claude Gray

Created by Lost Fugitive (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Billy House

5x expanded by CzechOut (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ts'ao Yung-ho

Created by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Scurry

Created by Kensplanet (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graham Waterhouse

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Cmadler (talk). Self nom at 18:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Words and Music (Roger Miller album)

Created by Lost Fugitive (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ira Black

  • ... that neuroscientist Ira Black expressed his frustration with U.S. federal restrictions on stem cell research, as such therapies had the potential to "get patients out of bed and out of wheelchairs"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stogumber railway station

The offices at Stogumber railway station

  • Comment: Stub expansion started on 10 August but finished on 14 August

5x expanded by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 16:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Basnahira South cricket team

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 15:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ellis Wackett

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 11:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

16"/45 caliber Mark 6 gun

16"/45 caliber guns aboard the battleship South Dakota

Created by TomStar81 (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O,IC. Well I can tell you right now that the british fired a 16 in naval gun in WWII; both Rodney and Nelson packed guns of this size, so this hook applies only to the US. TomStar81 (Talk) 11:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All my concerns resolved. Date, length, fact and refs Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 05:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Triyuginarayan Temple

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 06:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded to 6615 B. 6.04X expansion. --Redtigerxyz Talk 16:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed. Date, refs Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 23:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Curlew Lake (Washington)

Tiger Muskellunge

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 06:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Murderer Lives at Number 21

Created by Andrzejbanas (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abricta curvicosta

  • ... that the cicada Abricta curvicosta of eastern Australia is known as the floury baker from its appearance of being dusted with white powder?
  • Comment: chasing down an image as it is a cool-looking cicada...

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Toi gold mine

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 06:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Psaltoda moerens

  • ... that the numbers of the prolific sap feeding cicada Psaltoda moerens, known as the redeye, can be such that the stream of waste products may fall in a constant shower?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), Fir0002 (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Norwood

  • ... that a branch of Exeter City Supporters' Trust members helped finance James Norwood's contract at the club, paying £19 per month?

Created by Jimbo online (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harrington on Hold 'em

Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Tale of Squirrel Nutkin

5x expanded by Kathyrncelestewright (talk). Self nom at 00:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 13

Sockington

Created by Totnesmartin (talk). Self nom at 18:50, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Simpsons 20th Anniversary Special - In 3-D! On Ice!

Created by Scorpion0422 (talk). Self nom at 16:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A slightly silly alternate:

-- Scorpion0422 16:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spraberry Trend

  • ... that the oil in Spraberry Trend, an oil field ranked third in the U.S. by total proven reserves, is so difficult to recover, the area was dubbed "the world's largest unrecoverable oil reserve"?

Created by Antandrus (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Qaisar Bagh

Qaisar Bagh, circa 1866

Created by Anupam (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Project Runway Philippines (season 2)

Created by Starczamora (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Summer Wars

Created by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William B. T. Trego

5x expanded by Ohioartdude2 (talk). Self nom at 19:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Buxbaumia

5x expanded by EncycloPetey (talk). Self nom at 02:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tokugawa coinage

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possibility Playground

Created by Cunard (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EPpy Awards

  • ... that the EPpy Awards, which recognise journalism websites, are presented on the final day of the Interactive Newspaper Conference and Trade Show?

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ferret legging

  • ... that the sport of ferret legging is open only to sober male contestants, who must first remove their underwear?

5x expanded by Theleftorium (talk), Malleus Fatuorum (talk). Self nom at 19:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Denys Dobson

  • ... that England rugby international Denys Dobson was reportedly described as having a weak hand off, after being killed by a charging rhinoceros?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Pol, Dalen

  • Comment: New article created on 9 August by Dr. Blofeld, 5x expanded 13 August by Mjroots

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can opener

The 1855 drawing and a modern opener

  • ... that the first can opener (original drawing and a modern version pictured) was patented in 1855, more than 80 years after the introduction of canned food?

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I did read said section, but the sentence in question lacked a citation: I have consequently added it. Note that per DYK criteria, contentions for DYK must have an inline citation immediately after them - citations at the end of paragraphs are not acceptable. Cheers. WilliamH (talk) 10:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Renesselaer D. Hubbard House, Lorin Cray House

Hubbard House

  • ... that the owners of the neighboring Hubbard House (pictured) and Cray Mansion competed to see who could add the better upgrade?

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mesa Laboratory

The National Center for Atmospheric Research's Mesa Laboratory

Created by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 08:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook and length verified. You should add a bit more info though about its function other than just design. The reader would like to know what actually goes on there being a research center!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 14:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mir Mine

  • ... that the airspace above Mir diamond mine (pictured) is closed for helicopters because they might get sucked by the downward air flow?
  • Comment: ALT1 ... that the Mir diamond mine is so large that its natural downward air flow can crash helicopters?

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Le Van Duyet

A bronzen statue of Le Van Duyet

Created by Amore Mio (talk) and YellowMonkey (talk). Self nom at 05:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

This article was remarkably expanded and edited by YellowMonkey. Please credit him if it were chosen for DYK.--AM (talk) 07:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Ostuzhev

SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Möckel

Alger Chapman

  • ... that New York Governor Thomas Dewey appointed Alger Chapman as his 1946 campaign manager though Chapman had no political experience?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Cut (Bristol)

  • ... that when the New Cut waterway in Bristol was completed on 1 May 1809, 1000 labourers consumed two roast oxen, six hundredweight of plum pudding and 1000 gallons of strong beer at a celebratory meal?

Created by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 00:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Möckel

SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Möckel

  • ... that as the SS struggled to keep up sorting the valuables plundered from prisoners at Auschwitz, Karl Möckel (pictured) stated that fifteen to twenty suitcases of them were sent to the WVHA quarterly?

Created by WilliamH (talk). Self nom at 10:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The rules are not always up with current practices on this page. We now generally require DYK's to have a reasonable amount of citing, which usually means one cite per paragraph. It certainly isn't acceptable anymore to submit nominations with barely more than a cite to the hook fact. Gatoclass (talk) 22:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Submarine Incident off Kildin island

Created by DagosNavy (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 14:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • New article, correct length and the tag checks out fine. The references could do with some tidying up though - I'm not sure myself how to cite book page numbers properly. Could someone have a go? It passes DYKcheck too. Smartse (talk) 21:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 12

Yahrzeit candle

a yahrtzeit candle

Created by Epson291 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 05:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Burgess Shale

The Walcott family excavate the Burgess Shale

Created by Smith609 (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sticky-shed syndrome

a roll of magnetic audio tape

Created by Coverpoets (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 04:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kingston City Hall

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 04:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drosera gigantea

Created by Rkitko (talk). Self nom at 17:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Rosenzweig

  • ... that studies by Mark Rosenzweig showed that the brain develops anatomically into adulthood based on life experiences, overturning conventional wisdom that it reached full maturity in childhood?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tasmannia lanceolata

Created by Casliber (talk), Aareo (talk). Self nom at 11:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wallace Souza, Canal Livre

Created by Cargoking (talk) and Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke at 03:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sheikh Yusuf

Created by Zunaid (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt 1 (supported by reading of ref's in context):

Request: If this is accepted can it please be placed in a time period between 06:00 and 18:00 UTC on Thursday or Friday (or Monday)? I'd like for my friends and I to be able to see the fruits of my labour. Thanks. Zunaid 22:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added alt 1: The cited references in the article make it clear that he was exiled by "The Dutch" which in this context refers to the D.E.I.C. However I've left it as an alternative because the references don't spell it out explicitly. Zunaid 15:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prostrate shrub

Created by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 20:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Mary's, Kawartha Lakes, Ontario


ALT1: ... that the village of St. Mary's was surveyed, but never built because limestone lies below the 2 inches of soil? Created by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prayer of Joseph

Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 20:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1: ... that the Prayer of Joseph narrates that Jacob was the incarnation of angel Israel who competed with angel Uriel over their rank? A ntv (talk) 20:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rend Lake College

  • ... that Rend Lake College broke ground for its present campus on the very same day it received accreditation on March 27, 1969?

5x expanded by IlliniGradResearch (talk). Self nom at 18:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marcey Jacobson

  • ... that New Yorker Marcey Jacobson had planned to visit Chiapas for 10 days in 1956, but ended up staying there for most of the next 50 years, taking 14,000 photos of daily life in Southern Mexico?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Touch Me!

  • ... that Japanese pop R&B singer Mai Kuraki's eighth studio album Touch Me! became her first number-one album in five years?

5x expanded by MS (talk). Self nom at 17:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: expansion = 2912/411=7. Date Ok. "Number-one" is dubious to me (you can always find a contest where it would be No1; "Oricon chart" would say nothing outside Japan). For this reason, I didn't try checking the refs. Materialscientist (talk) 23:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Homosexuality in association football

Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ...and certainly not coupled with "others have said". The hook isn't supported by the references anyway: the first reference says homophobia is something of a taboo subject (not that homosexuality is one of the last taboos), and the second reference has Simon Barnes stating that homophobia is ingrained in football (not others saying it will never change). Long Shrift (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. Do you want to suggest a rewording then? - I feel that the article is of interest enough to warrant being on the main page. GiantSnowman 11:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK - suggested re-wording of:... that Justin Fashanu was the first professional association football player to come out as gay? GiantSnowman 13:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that sounds good enough to me Spiderone (talk) 15:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think "openly" is redundant. If he comes out out as gay he'd have to be openly gay, wouldn't he? Long Shrift (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, I've removed it. GiantSnowman 15:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Qesem Cave

  • ... that fallow deer bones found in the Qesem Cave 12 km east of Tel Aviv show evidence that humans 400,000 to 200,000 years ago butchered animals to share and cook?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Brady (criminal)

  • Comment: Nominating article from AFC

Created by 71.184.55.190 (talk). Nominated by Tnxman307 (talk) at 14:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Through the hocus-pocus of AFC they can! :) TNXMan 11:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Schwartz Communications

Created by Flynn1919 (talk), SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Better? Regards SoWhy 09:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A little. We can't expect Raiders of the Lost Ark levels of excitement with a PR firm I suppose. ;) Long Shrift (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Die Konsequenz

  • ... that the theme of pederasty in the 1977 German film Die Konsequenz was so controversial that one regional broadcaster refused to relay the transmission signal?

Created by Meco (talk). Self nom at 11:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Red Flag (Unnichekkan)

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 08:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bonewaldesthorne's Tower

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 08:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dunvegan Cup

5x expanded by Celtus (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's now 4.87 (if I've used the script right), but I'd be inclined to let it through if the 5x isn't set in stone: the quoted legends could be rephrased out of the quotes if necessary and the tables converted to text to give the required figure, but it is more convenient to leave them as they are. The hook, however, states the supposition that it "was created in 1493 at the request of the wife of an Irish lord" as fact. Maybe "... that the Dunvegan Cup (pictured) was probably made in Ireland, though today it is an heirloom of the chiefs of the Scottish Clan Macleod?". Long Shrift (talk) 11:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed 4.87. No need to pull up tricks to make it 5. IMO, the article is valuable, and expanding this rare topic to 5 is really hard. I vote pass. Materialscientist (talk) 00:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Durnford-Slater

Created by AustralianRupert (talk). Self nom at 04:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked hook per above. — AustralianRupert (talk) 08:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Hastings

  • The direct connection between Hastings' approval of the prosecution and the fall of the government isn't proven (or cited). It was the government's handling of the case and its aftermath which led to its downfall. To disconnect the cause and effect a little, perhaps "... that Sir Patrick Hastings approved the prosecution of the Campbell Case which was instrumental in the fall of the first Labour government?" Long Shrift (talk) 10:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Detroit Wolverines managers

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 02:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 11

Shawnee Community College

Created by IlliniGradResearch (talk). Self nom at 22:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article says nothing about it being one of only a few. You could, however, do a hook like this, which would be supported by facts cited in the article:

ALT1:

Is that alright? BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rancho Las Putas

Created by Emargie (talk). Nominated by Binksternet (talk) at 22:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Howard Smit

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 13:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wilkiea huegeliana

Created by Poyt448 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 02:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I feel uncomfortable about approving this because the only cited statement is the hook-supporting statement and it's from an offline source. Typically, at least one citation per paragraph is what's looked for in these articles. You cite two other sources as 'references' but don't include any inline citations for them. If these issues are dealt with, then this article will be good to go. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 16:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Panch Prayag

Dev prayag Dev prayag

  • ... that according to Hindu mythology, the Pandavas followed a route to heaven alongside the Panch Prayag (Dev prayag pictured) – five confluences which finally result in the holy Ganges river?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 13:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bet (unaired Seinfeld episode)

  • ... that the Seinfeld episode "The Bet", which featured two of the show's main characters betting over buying a gun, was never filmed because its gun content was considered too provocative?

Created/expanded by Music2611 (talk). Self nom at 11:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Entire premise of both the hook and the badly written article is misleading. The episode was written but never filmed. Calling it an "unaired" episode makes it sound like it was shot and then shelved. LargoLarry (talk) 14:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • While the criticism above is valid, I think it's not enough to reject this nomination. The nominator should be allowed the possibility to address these problems instead. Regards SoWhy 14:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MV Arctic Sea

Created by Óðinn (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charity Lords of the Ring

Created by Cargoking (talk), expanded by Candlewicke (talk. Nominated by Candlewicke at 03:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John 3:7 (sign)

  • ... that John 3:7, once flung from a train window, made the news again in 2009 after going missing on a train?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And the Rockets' Dead Glare

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 22:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Napkin holder

A vertical napkin holder

5x expanded by Ldud (talk), Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agate Lake, Branchinecta lynchi

  • Comment: I created Agate Lake, but 5x expanded Branchinecta lynchi. Not sure how to do that with the template.

Created by Little Mountain 5 (talk). Self nom at 21:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Bedford

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph F. Enright

  • Refs, date length Ok. Strongly favor ALT1 over the main one, which is much too technical and unattractive. I am quite sure that outside US (maybe inside too) most people never heard about Enright. Materialscientist (talk) 01:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about:
ALT2 "... that the USS Archer-Fish (SS-311), under the command of Joseph F. Enright, sank the largest ship ever destroyed by a submarine?"
as ALT1 suggests that Enright is a submarine? HausTalk 17:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ragnar Ulstein

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 19:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hungry: A Mother and Daughter Fight Anorexia

Created by Cunard (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seismological history of Japan

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 17:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cormier wrestling family, Yvon Cormier, Rudy Kay, Leo Burke, Bobby Kay, Hart wrestling family

Created by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 16:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: Cormier wrestling family, Rudy Kay, and Bobby Kay are new articles; Yvon Cormier, Leo Burke, and Hart wrestling family are all 5x expansions. Source for hook is in the final paragraph of the Cormier wrestling family article. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:52, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indu Mitha

Created by Pectore (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sergio Villagra

Created by Hack (talk). Self nom at 15:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ángel Azteca

Created by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Palace

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Durand

  • ... that preserving food in tin cans was first patented in 1810 by Peter Durand although he did not invent the process?

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 06:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion of Jews to Catholicism during the Holocaust

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 06:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's nothing wrong with a controversial hook, but I am unclear as to which specific reference is used to support this general statement. Also "tried to spare" implies that the Church itself was carrying out the Holocaust. Otto4711 (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The entire sections on "Actions on behalf of converts by country" and "Brazilian Visa Project" substantiate that they did this in a handful of countries. There is not a single unreferenced sentence in either section. I also disagree that "tried to spare" makes any such implication. A perpetrator wouldn't have to "try", for starters. It is also rather well-known who carried out the Holocaust. Savidan 17:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per the rule The "Did you know?" fact must be mentioned in the article and cited with an inline citation since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. there should be a specific fact in the hook, not this vague overarching statement of article sections' general content. "Spare" means "to refrain from harming", which definitely carries with it the implication that the entity doing the sparing has the ability to inflict the harm from which one is being spared. It's a poor word choice, but I guess it doesn't matter all that much since the hook itself is unsuitable. Otto4711 (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leopard shark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that the leopard shark (pictured) feeds on anchovies by swimming into their schools with its mouth open and waiting for them to accidentally enter?

George Taylor Morris

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Harvard-Navy lacrosse game of 1941

Josef Scheungraber

  • ... that the only survivor of the 1944 killing of 10 civilians ordered by Josef Scheungraber testified against him 55 years later at his war crimes trial, where Scheungraber received a life sentence in August 2009?

Created by WilliamH (talk). Self nom at 18:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article gives no date when the civilian survivor testified. The hook implies it was 1999 (1944 + 55) but the conviction was in 2009. The hook also implies that Scheugraber directly ordered the deaths but the article states only that he ordered troops to "retaliate" without indicating that he specifically meant this action or these deaths. Otto4711 (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whoops, daft maths error there. I was aiming for 2009, but the trial began in 2008, and as I am not able to verify when he testified, I've consequently struck that bit out as an alternative hook. But he intended these killings, as the BBC source writes. WilliamH (talk) 17:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on August 10

Death and funeral of Corazon Aquino

Created by Rizalninoynapoleon (talk), Gugganij (talk), Spongefrog (talk), Russavia (talk), Ancheta Wis (talk), Truflip99 (talk), AnakngAraw (talk), WWGB (talk), JL 09 (talk), Eaglestorm (talk), Starczamora (talk), Seav (talk), Nanami Kamimura (talk), Titopao (talk). Nominated by 23prootie (talk) at 01:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article still doesn't mention the part about how the honor of mass in the cathedral is usually only for archbishops, nor does the source that says she's the first female layperson not include that she's the first female layperson; only that she's the second president. These issues still need fixin'. Go for it! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 00:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article was not created on August 10 nor has it undergone a fivefold expansion since that date. Long Shrift (talk) 00:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marian Bernaciak

Created/expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both sources say "the largest". I changed the article accordingly (in researching the article I came across a few sources which weren't quite up to RS which said "one of the largest").radek (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brent Peterson (left winger)

Created by Giants2008 (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gypsy Joker Motorcycle Club

Gypsy Joker wearing colors (left) with members of other outlaw clubs at the Gypsy Jokers Protest Run, 14 March 2009

  • ... that one of the most notorious and violent Australian outlaw motorcycle clubs, the Gypsy Jokers, has rallied the support of other clubs to protest what they say is unfair treatment by police and media?
  • Comment: I don't know if it matters, but this article passed 1500 characters probably on the 11th or 12th. My contribution was mostly citations and images, not prose.

Created by Madhazza (talk), ThaddeusB (talk), 90.208.53.17 (talk). Nominated by Dbratland (talk) at 19:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was thinking of sending this article to DYK myself, but I really shouldn't get any credit for it. Madhazza started the article with a few sentences and most of the work was done by 90.208.53.17 & Dbratland. My involvement was merely declining the speedy deletion, providing a list of sources, and making a few textual fixes. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added "notorious and violent" to the article's lead, and cited it with 3 quotations, and added 2 references to the article. I can add more to drive the point home but it would be bombardment perhaps. It's tough to squeeze this much controversy into 200 characters, so maybe it would suffice to say: "... that the Australian/US outlaw motorcycle club, the Gypsy Jokers, has rallied the support of other clubs to protest what they say is unfair treatment by police and media?" --Dbratland (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Dog and Pony Show (Homicide: Life on the Street)

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 01:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lunsford Lane

Created by Apoc2400 (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The facts used for the hook need inline citations directly afterward. More importantly, the hook is misleading in that it implies that he was tarred and feathered because he went back to buy his family. On reading the sources, there was no explicit mention that that was the reason why he was tarred and feathered. I suggest removing "to buy his wife and children". Dabomb87 (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't mean to imply he was tarred and feathered for buying his family, but for returning to Raleigh. I'm fine with removing he last part. I added references just after "tarred and feathered". --Apoc2400 (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sixteen (Chicago restaurant)

Sixteen's view of the Wrigley Building clock

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hugh Murray

Florida class battleship

USS Florida

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk of Assize

  • If you want. Since the article is on Clerks of the English assizes I don't see how one can get ambiguity, particularly since 1) that sort of assize was a strictly English phenomenon and 2) the hook links to the article on the English ones. Ironholds (talk) 21:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quarter wave impedance transformer

λ\4 transformer

Created by Spinningspark (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This jargon is fine with me, but a non-specialist might think it is a trick related to the drawing of a circuit, not its action. Materialscientist (talk) 23:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ergh... I understood ALT1, but I bet few people will do (an open circuit is called so because it is not connected to anything else). Clear formulation is needed. Whats wrong with my suggestions above? Materialscientist (talk) 23:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I didn't use your form of words is because the open-circuit is not changed into anything, it still remains an open-circuit. It looks like a short-circuit from another point in the circuit - as far as the signal at that point is concerned, there is a short-circuit at that point, but not at the location of the open-circuit, that remains what it is. SpinningSpark 13:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You said on my talk page that you thought ALT1 "is not good writing". I am not really sure what you are driving at, but is this any better? SpinningSpark 08:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Meh. I like the first hook as it uses the same exact wording that people in the industry use. In ALT2, "another part of the circuit" is not true; the short circuit occurs in the same part of the circuit as the open circuit, just at a different frequency. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No!! that is incorrect, but I don't want to clutter up DYK with this, please do me the kindness of explaining on my talk page how you reached that conclusion. If you got it from the article there is something badly wrong with what I have written. SpinningSpark 14:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Middleton

Created by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weston Golf and Country Club

Created by Golfnut11 (talk). Nominated by Smashville (talk) at 20:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ludwig Plagge

SS-Oberscharführer Ludwig Plagge

Created/expanded by WilliamH (talk). Self nom at 19:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bob's Game

Created by MuZemike (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The hook reads strangely as it presents his intention as a completed action; although he intended to protest by locking himself in his room for 100 days or until Nintendo granted him the kit, his protest actually only lasted 30 days. Also, in this case sit-in would be a better link for "publicly protest" than sitdown strike. Long Shrift (talk) 09:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jantina Hellingmolen, Aalden

  • Comment: Created by Dr. Blofeld, expanded 5x by Mjroots

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 17:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is verified by the Molens.nl database, which I believe authoritative on this subject. The article is long enough/expanded enough. The article, however, needs some revisions for sentence combination and general readability before I can give it the 'tick.' Drmies (talk) 18:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
-- good to go, IMO. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Shot in the Dark (Homicide: Life on the Street)

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 17:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Basnahira North cricket team

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

D'Anthony Smith

Created by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Poole

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 12:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geno Atkins

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 9

Fontaine des Quatre-Saisons

Fontaine des Quatre-Saisons in Paris

Created by SiefkinDR (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 14:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Parias

Created by Srnec (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neurotus quercus-baccarum

Common Spangle galls on a pedunculate oak leaf

Created by Rosser1954 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Wood Community College

Created by IlliniGradResearch (talk). Self nom at 18:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The college did not own or possess any buildings of its own due to the "Common Market Approach", until 1991. Students attended other area colleges and utilized those classrooms for instruction. The "college" itself was an admin office in Quincy, Illinois and did not possess any classrooms. Hence the hook. Do you have any suggestions?IlliniGradResearch (talk) 14:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand now; it was a bit confusing to someone who didn't understand the context. Suggest:

Ulster Performing Arts Center

Front entrance of Ulster Performing Arts Center

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 06:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Bien Hoa (1968)

Date checks out, length seems good, article is well referenced. — AustralianRupert (talk) 04:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Single-Handed (2007 drama)

Carniadactylus

Anne Wexler

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have checked length before suggesting ALT1. Article hasn't been expanded anywhere near 5x so it doesn't qualify. MovieMadness (talk) 16:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article went from 4445 bytes to 9334 bytes. How is that 5X expansion? LargoLarry (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dividing article size after and before has nothing to do with expansion, as expansion is based on the number of characters of prose before and after. Reviewing the article's edit history one more time may resolve the problem. The version before I started editing had 396 characters of prose per DYKcheck, while my latest version had a prose totaling 5,314 characters. There were a few intervening edits, with little content added. My math shows a more than 13x increase. Is this really still an issue? Alansohn (talk) 17:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • (ALT 2) "... that while running for the presidential nomination in 2008, Hilary Clinton (pictured) credited political advisor and lobbyist Anne Wexler with providing her first job in politics?" per "Hillary Clinton introduced her last year during her own presidential primary campaign as the woman who gave her her first job in politics." in this source. Alansohn (talk) 18:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    A friendly advice to LargoLarry and MovieMadness - read well DYK rules before putting any assessment tags on DYK. I myself only used word "Comment" when started reviewing. Those incorrect tags will only undermine your possibly correct replies in other threads. I am fine with ALT2 attempt to keep Clinton's photo (but not with a combination ALT1+photo). Materialscientist (talk) 23:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook, certainly as structured in ALT 2, is emphasizing Hilary Clinton's crediting Wexler with giving her a start in politics, a defining connection between the two and making this very much about Hilary Clinton as much as Anne Wexler. The photo is now in the article and very much belongs there. If there were a photo of Anne Wexler available I'd add it to the article, but the fact that a woman within striking distance of becoming the first major party presidential nominee in the United States credits Wexler "as the woman who gave her her first job in politics" (per The Washington Post) is directly relevant to the subject of the article, makes the hook a good bit more interesting and will help draw readers to the article. Alansohn (talk) 17:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Jones (American football)

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 16:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bee-eater

  • ... that bee-eaters (White-fronted Bee-eater pictured) carefully remove the venom from bees and wasps by rubbing them on a branch before eating them?
  • ALT1:... that the social systems of some bee-eaters (example pictured) are the most complex of any bird and include four tiers – pair, family, clan and colony?

5x expanded by Sabine's Sunbird (talk). Self nom at 08:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AnnArbor.com

Created by King of Hearts (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The West (documentary)

  • ... that the creators of the 1996 documentary film The West traveled over 100,000 miles (160,000 km) to gather footage and conduct research?

Created by MaxVeers (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Larvik Fotball

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Caleb Francis

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Water Tower, Chester

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okeanos Explorer

  • ... that the ROV on NOAA's new exploratory vessel, Okeanos Explorer, can descend nearly 19,000 feet and provides real-time viewing of the ocean floor for scientists and the public?

Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gull River (Balsam Lake)

5x expanded by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Easton Corbin

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Checks out in all aspects, hook verified... Although a comment if I may, perhaps a slight, slight rewording of the article, as it gives the reader the impression that Corbin co-wrote the single, while the source contains a quote of his which reads: "Even though I didn't write it, this song identifies who I am," preceded by the names of the co-writers: Don Polythress, Rory Lee Feek & Wynn Varble. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sandakada pahana

A sandakada pahana of the Anuradhapura period

  • ... that although the sandakada pahana (pictured) originally had carvings of a procession of elephants, lions, horses and bulls, the bull was later removed due to influences of Hinduism?

Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Premiership of Lal Bahadur Shastri

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 05:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rokuzan Ogiwara

Created by MChew (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sonnets on Eminent Characters 13 part nom

  • Comment: 194 characters from my count, all moved out and new. 13 part DYK. Grueling and I am tired from it.

Created by Ottava Rima (talk), Juliancolton (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I adjusted the autogenerated DYKmake template to give Juliancolton credit for helping on Priestley and Burke (he added the brief lead paragraphs) and to give Ottava Rima credit for all 13 articles. Binksternet (talk) 14:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • He can have full credit - his internet was causing him problems (he is on vacation) but we went over the articles over the past week - content necessary, images, and leads. Originally, he was supposed to put in all of the leads but his internet crashed and I went through and copy and pasted in what we had worked together and chatted about in order to put it in sooner. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's generous of you. I have now put both of you down as co-maker for each of the 13 articles. Binksternet (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Island God

Gian Carlo Menotti

Created by DragonflyDC (talk). Self nom at 01:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 8

Soviet cruiser Voroshilov

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 17:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Babette March

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk) and Zagalejo (talk · contribs). Self nom at 02:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Clearly meets 5x expansion. Everything cited. Some of the wording is similar to the sources but many of the situations are hard to avoid so it passes as far as I am concerned (others may disagree). Ottava Rima (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Live! Go for What You Know

5x expanded by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles D. Baker, Jr.

5x expanded by Designate (talk). Self nom at 19:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I pulled this one out of the prep area because I found the hook manifestly uninteresting -- and like a piece of advertising for a partisan political candidate. I find nothing unusual about a political candidate having previously held local elective office at the same time that he had an important business job. Mr. Baker has an impressive resume, but the hook gave me the impression that this was a candidate promoting himself. (Moreover, considering that the election is still 15 months in the future, it almost seems premature to call Baker a "gubernatorial candidate".) Reading the article, I think that it must be possible to find a "punchier" hook. --Orlady (talk) 03:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Right now on the front page: "... that John McClannahan Crockett was the second mayor of Dallas, and the Lieutenant Governor of Texas from 1861 to 1863?" This seems equivalent, just a basic, uninteresting biographical summary. The only difference is Baker is still alive – he's exciting as a bag of mud, but there's nothing I can do about that. I'm open to suggestions if you think there's something punchier. Designate (talk) 12:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There was a lot of discussion about that Crockett hook, too. In Baker's bio, I think his parents' political background sounds interesting. Another interesting angle would be that six years after leaving a position in the governor's cabinet, he became a small-town selectman. His accomplishments at Pilgrim could also be interesting. --Orlady (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spiderhunter

5x expanded by Sabine's Sunbird (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chindia Tower

  • ... that after the English archeologist Edmund Chishull visited the Chindia Tower (pictured), he said that it is comparable to towers from the civilized christianity?

5x expanded by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 20:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

we don't usually like quotes as hook, and I doubt he did say exactly that, as it is not idiomatic English ("the" is superfluous). This whole article needs a language polish.
Concerning the first variant: the hook relies on a quote which is supposed to have been in English, but it is actually translated back from Romanian. The problem is that the final version of that statement is ungrammatical - so it's probably no longer able to reflect the original quote. I've combed the text and decided to shorten the quote down to "civilized Christianity", while paraphrasing the rest ("civilized Christianity", note the capital letter!, is the only part of the quote which is very unlikely to have been affected by the back and forth).
The problem with Johnbod's alt is that the article currently says that it is very probable (still...) that the tower was begun under Vlad's rule, but it also mentions that the building was only completed later, parts of it in the 19th century. Also, technically, there's no citation for that exact fact in the text (presumably, the detail is to be found in the sources used, but they were not cited for this fact). So how about:
ALT 2: ... that the Chindia Tower (pictured) in Târgovişte, Romania probably takes its name from medieval curfews? Dahn (talk) 10:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No homo

Lil Wayne in concert

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 16:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook is very confusing. According to the article, both "no homo" and "pause" are terms used to assert that the speaker is not homosexual. But when you simply say "no homo" means the same as "pause," most readers will think of "pause" in terms of its usual defintion. As a result, they incorrectly will think "no homo" is the same as a short period of inaction, a temporary stop, or a hesitation or interruption, which isn't the case. MovieMadness (talk) 17:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2: ... that in hip hop music, "no homo" and "pause" both mean that the speaker disclaims any gayness?
The previous hooks don't mention what's interesting about the phrase, that the singer/speaker disclaims any gayness. — Becksguy (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Struck - see below. Date, length & ref verified. I prefer ALT1 - it removes the confusion in the original and also leaves the reader interested. It'd be better to make the hook interesting than right away state what it is. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to have to disagree with the above editor. In fact, the cited source doesn't really back up the hook's assertion — whichever one we're talking about. The article says: "A parallel term is "pause", which has the same meaning and is often used by Jay-Z, among others." But the referenced Slate article in fact just says, parenthetically: "(Jay-Z has used the word pause in a similar way.)" I don't see anything in that quote which suggests any "others", or that Jay-Z "often" uses it. In fact, the Slate article links to the urban dictionary, which does seem to suggest a subtle difference between the two terms: "pause" is used to stop people from mocking you with "aye-yos" after you say something vaguely homosexual, whereas "no homo" seems to neutralize the possible homosexual interpretation before it even starts. You use one when you're conscious of the possible homosexual connotation as you're making the statement, but one after you've said it and it's too late to retract. Put another way, there's a big difference between a "parallel term" and a "synonym". CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 04:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the wording of the article gives a different idea than what the source says, but not with your interpretation of the words. I don't think we can take urban dictionary as a reliable source. I've been trying to find some more sources for these words, but found only blog like sites. Anyway, I suggest the article be changed according to the available source unless a better source can be found. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 09:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about an entirely different hook then:
  • ALT3: ... that rapper Lil Wayne (pictured) is credited with bringing the phrase "no homo" into the mainstream?
It's clearly supported by Slate, it maintains a bit of intrigue, and it even comes with a picture. Lampman (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Equivalent impedance transforms

Created by Spinningspark (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Can do if you insist, but DYK has accepted hooks in the past which start with a different word. Indeed, in the past, reviewers seem to have been positively pleased with the variety. SpinningSpark 15:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well DYKcheck certainly doesn't seem to be positively pleased! :P In any event, the article checks out. Book refs accepted in good faith, article is of appropriate length (13,887 bytes of prose), and the hook comes in at just under the length limit. --Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 16:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe I'm alone here, but to me, "Did you know how many...?" does not sound grammatically correct under these circumstances. "Did you know that...?" makes sense to me; "did" being past tense because you tell the person the fact in the same clause. But "Did you know how many...?" is asking a rhetorical question, before answering in the next sentence. The tense seems wrong to me. Phrased that way I would think it would properly be "Do you know how many...?", and of course we don't have latitude to change that first word... Sorry, I certainly don't mean to pick on you, but I'd like to hear another opinion. Strikehold (talk) 02:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is easily reworded to comply of course;
but I think it makes a less striking hook. SpinningSpark 12:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest a hook in the more traditional style: ... that mathematician Ronald Foster found 83,539 equivalent transforms of a circuit when told by AT&T to find all the equivalents before patenting any of them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangefreak33 (talk • contribs) 18:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of the largest single day Jeopardy! prizes

Created by Staxringold (talk). Self nom at 07:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for August 26

Terry O'Neill (feminist)

Hi. August 26 is Women's Equality Day, celebrating the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Ms. O'Neill heads the largest group of feminist women in the U.S. Self nom, new article. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think people fish for spousal abuse, which is there and perhaps to some people more interesting. I prefer the wide-ranging campaign (that was diametrically(sp?) opposed to a more youthful candidate who proposed using insider strategy and the Internet). Make sense? -SusanLesch (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded for September 1

Washington State Route 21

The current ferry on the Keller Ferry route, part of Washington State Route 21, the Martha S.

5x expanded by ComputerGuy (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also

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