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Articles created/expanded on July 10

Leal Garcia v. Texas

--BabbaQ (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dull hook. The Supreme Court denies many habeas petitions each term. Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have nominated this for deletion because this is not an actual Supreme Court case. Denial of a habeas petition is refusal to hear a case. This is not a Supreme Court case. OCNative (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I voted strong keep. And seeing how that AfD is going, I suggest you consider withdrawing it as it's a likely snowball keep at this point, so you'll save some administrator the time.

You are also wrong. Denying certiorari on the case, i.e. deciding not to hear it, would make it (at least as a Supreme Court case) non-notable for our purposes (as noted at the AfD as well as by myself above, the Supremes do exactly that many times each term). But when they call the lawyers in for oral argument, read their briefs (or, usually, have their clerks summarize said briefs and the case file) and then issue an opinion that some of them dissent from, it's a Supreme Court case whether they deny the petition or not. Daniel Case (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree that the hook is dull. The hook needs to state why the denial of this petition is unique. Location (talk) 02:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
AfD has been closed, with no surprise as Keep.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT 1,
Here is an alternative hook.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well your one isnt any better actually but I dont care if we publish alt 1 or 2.. so that is up to the publishing user. But that is OK--BabbaQ (talk) 14:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the 2011 U.S. Supreme Court case of Leal Garcia v. Texas focused on whether the defendant was told he had a legal right to make a phone call to his consulate?
Is that a better hook? It's terrible what Garcia did, but cramming too much information into the hook makes for a bad hook. - Tim1965 (talk) 18:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 12

Anal people

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 11:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed: Jacques Seligmann & Company (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh please, please, save this for April Fools. Is there any chance that we can get this to fixed up to featured status? -- Zanimum (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not for this year, but there is a bit more information in the sources that I did not use (funeral customs and whatnot). Non-Indian sources on the Anal are hard to find. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, now that I've had a chance to look at things. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia to make juvenile puns on the name of a people. Ucucha 13:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • For April Fools, we have had stuff like Batman (a province) being half female and whatnot. Most of the April Fools hooks play on puns. With the proper capitalization (i.e. the original hook), we could make a sound argument that we did not mean anything related to the anus. (Side note: anybody want to expand Anus language?) Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Past errors are no excuse to repeat them, and I think puns on "anal" are more offensive than those on "Batman" (which seem mainly silly). The name of a people is a major part of that people's heritage, and joking about it on the front page of what should be a serious encyclopedia is inappropriate. Ucucha 00:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, almost any hook we write will wind up being read as a pun. For example:
ALT2: ... that Anal people wear baskets around their waists every day?
ALT3: ... that the Anal have their own language?
ALT4: ... that the Anal refer to themselves as the Pakan?
ALT5: ... that Anal people may have to pay a fine when divorcing?
ALT6: ... that the Anal are not vegetarians?
That's just the way the human mind works, methinks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in agreement that it's a bit offensive, but also in agreement that this would be perfect to save for April Fools. --Elonka 02:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the Anal people have pun potential shouldn't exclude them from DYK eligibility. --MTHarden (talk) 15:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It seems there is a concensus that this would be good for April Fools, but without a review this cannot be moved to the dedicated page. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article length and dates are OK. Hook lengths are OK. Sourcing is OK for hooks ALT4, ALT5, and ALT6. ALT2 is only partially supported; the Wikipedia article does not explicitly state that baskets are worn "around the waist" nor that they are worn "every day." The original hook and ALT3 are not supported by inline citations in the article. In spite of the humor value of the name "Anal," however, I'm not particularly impressed by any of the hooks (except for ALT2, which is not adequately supported by the article). I'd like to suggest some additional alternatives:
  • ALT7: ... that, according to legend, Mongolia was the origin of Anal people?
  • ALT8: ... that Anal people wear earrings made from the wings of insects?
Additionally, the structure of several passages in the article may be a bit too close to the structure of sections in the sources, although wording is changed. If this is saved for April Fool's Day 2012, there will be plenty of time to polish it to remove semi-close paraphrasing. --Orlady (talk) 04:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT8 is a winner here. Well done, Orlady. Sharktopus talk 20:58, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also have no problem with ALT8, especially for April Fools. I will take a look for any paraphrasing that is too close to the source. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have rephrased some paragraphs, although the original sources are not viewable (for me, at least) right now. Hopefully any semi-close paraphrasing has been removed. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 13

Bystry Canal

Created by Ajh1492 (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is there anything more... hooky? Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are several paragraphs without any refs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a limitation for a DYK nomination, a B-Class review, yes, DKY, no. Ajh1492 (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Crisco caught this problem, I'm just adding the icon. Hooks along the lines of "... that this canal is a canal" should not be featured. Hooks need to express something interesting, not just give a simple definition or a bunch of uninteresting details. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If that is the most exciting thing you can say about this article, I doubt that it would be great for DYK. Doesn't Bystry mean "swift" or some such in Polish? Maybe that could help make a better hook? --Slashme (talk) 09:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It translates as "Cute" or "Smart", but who wants an article called "Cute Canal" Ajh1492 (talk) 01:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It makes for a good hook, maybe... Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How about ... that the Bystry Canal is a feeder canal of the Augustów Canal in north-eastern Poland whose name could be translated into "Cute" or "Smart" Canal? Ajh1492 (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Except that bystry doesn't mean "cute" in Polish. It means either "rapid" or "bright, intelligent". As for the original hook, the lake is called Sajno, not Sanjo. Overall, the article is rather bland (which may be good for an encyclopedia, but not for Main Page hook) and poorly referenced (in fact, the first two references don't mention the Bystry Canal at all). — Kpalion(talk) 04:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Dixon (sternwheeler)

  • ... that after the Sarah Dixon steamboat launched in 1892, it was involved in collisions in 1894 and 1898, reconstructed in 1906, immobilized in freezing water in 1909, and suffered an explosion in 1912?
  • ALT1:... that although a court found Sarah Dixon not guilty of drowning a man in 1898, nine people fled four miles from her in 1912 to seek help after three of their colleagues were killed?
  • Comment: ALT1 is only meant to be used if reviewers think this should be saved for the April Fool's Day DYK.

Created by Mtsmallwood (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 06:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nice article - references, length etc are fine. Regarding ALT1, I agree that it would make a good April Fool's piece, but that is rather a long time away! Are you sure that you would want to wait that long for it to appear? Prioryman (talk) 07:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm fine with waiting eight and a half months until April Fool's, if people think that ALT1 is worthy of April Fool's. OCNative (talk) 07:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
None of the events listed in the original hook are unusual, either by themselves or collectively, it reads pretty much like a standard steamboat history to me. I haven't verified the ALT but I suppose it might do as an April Fool's if the author wants to wait that long and the facts are accurate. Gatoclass (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Landguard Manor

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length, date and sourcing all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rosie has nommed this above with another articles♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dr.B: The other article needs more work and now has an under construction. Landguard Manor will be a stand alone. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does the hook mean? The article could do with some tidying: the history of the site is confused and the adaptation from Pevsner awkward and contradictory. I wouldn't be sure the portrait by Thomas Lawrence is still in the drawing room unless you have a recent ref (the current cite for that fact is from 1888); likewise with the flora - a lot of species can disappear in a hundred years - and are you sure about Merrett? I've never heard of it and can't find any references to a Merrett plant, though it might have been a local name for a plant listed by Christopher Merret. Yomanganitalk 12:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

George McGavin

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 12:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hook fact needs a ref in the article; other than that we're good to go.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, sorry. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would appreciate another editor opining here, as the ref -- to the subject's own site, but I think that is OK for these purposes -- is a little unclear as to whether it means what the hook says. The quote in the subject site is "As well as studying insects George also eats them and has appeared on the Richard and Judy Show as the guest chef." While that may well imply that he ate the insects on the show, it wasn't completely clear to me ... hence my request for another editor's view. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I don't see that as an issue, I'm happy to reword the hook if it's a blocker? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the hook fact is solidly meant in the cited source, and the claim of appearing on a TV show is not so extravagant that we'd need another source. However, it does bother me that the personal page of the subject of this biography article is cited 17 times, which accounts for more than half the citations in the article. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think this (the citation for the hook, as well as most of the citations to McGavin's own website) fails Wikipedia:RS#Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves, specifically failing requirements 1, 2, and 5. cmadler (talk) 13:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've added additional references. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've done some minor cleanup, and also, per my previous assertion that McGavin's website is being inappropriately used as a citation, removed it. This leaves four uncited statements (which I've marked as such), including the proposed hook fact. cmadler (talk) 13:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'll discuss the removed refence on the article's talk page. however, all are now cited to third parties, including both the original and alternative hook proposals. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's been 12 days now and we still don't have a reliable source to back up the hook. I'm putting this down as a no. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Premature, surely? Its only four hours since cmadler's comment and you've given me no time to respond or make further edits to the article. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • How about "... that entomologist, explorer, TV presenter and Wildscreen patron George McGavin enjoys eating insects, which he describes as "flying prawns"? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I haven't looked at the article to evaluate the references, but the latest proposed hook is a classic case of trying to cram too many facts into the hook. Also, I think restoring your own nom after it was removed by a reviewer, without first raising the issue at WT:DYK, is pretty ethically questionable. rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, I'm a DYK novice, so you could assume good faith about the restored nomination. If you don't like the alternative hook, drop "...which he describes as 'flying prawns'", or use the original, which is now referenced. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • The problem isn't so much that as the long list of professions at the beginning. You don't need to list everything he is; just "entomologist George McGavin" or something like that would have been fine. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I hate to be a pain in the backside but isn't an officialy biography on a corporate website edging pretty close to a primary source? Shoot me down if I'm wrong. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 18:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • If you're referring to Jo Wander Managment, that's not just a corporate website, but what appears to be McGavin's talent agent. It's equivalent to sourcing it to his own website. I've removed it where it duplicates other citations; I'll defer to others as to whether the two remaining citations to that site require better sourcing. cmadler (talk) 19:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
These are comments for the article's talk page. I think
  • Objection "long list of professions at the beginning" ... OK so edit them out and approve
  • Objection "pretty close to a primary source" ... OK .. it has 18 refs including universities, Royal Society etc etc. Adding one poor ref does not undermine an article. Delete the bit you don't think is reffed if necessary.
  • Objection "It's been 12 days now " ... this is not the authors fault ... see above
  • Objection "may well imply that he ate the insects on the show, it wasn't completely clear to me" ... so add the word "and"
  • We are not treating novices for DYK in a helpful way. Are we trying to deter with all this deferring? Apologies to the author for delaying this article so much. Please bear with us. Victuallers (talk) 08:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(Alt)... that TV presenter George McGavin cooks and eat insects?
I think that should do it Victuallers (talk) 20:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Better: "... that TV entomologist George McGavin cooks and eat insects?"; to give context. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think I like Victuallers' hook a bit better; it's still true that he's a TV presenter, and it's more "hooky"; maybe a reader will want to click the link to find out why he eats insects, whereas if the reader already knows he's an entomologist it wouldn't be so eye-catching. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think blurbing that an insect expert actually cooks insects in TV is far more "interesting" than a TV presenter who does the same thing. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To each his own, I guess. My way of thinking is, if I already know the guy is an entomologist, I'm not so surprised that he cooks insects. If I just see that he's a TV presenter I imagine I would think, "that's weird, why does he eat insects?" and might be more likely to click to find out more. Of course, that's just speculation, since I had already read the above discussion before seeing his proposed hook. rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:08, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fakfak

5x expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 01:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone has a good hook that plays on Fak <--> Fuck feel free to add it Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How about ALT2 ... that Fakfak is now fighting against AIDS and depopulation? morelMWilliam 11:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, I like the original hook, although it's not cited in the article. cmadler (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hook fact for original now cited directly (at the end of the sentence) Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like the original hook now that it is cited. It's a good article and deserves to be better known - let's promote it. How about ALT3 ... that Fakfak is located in West Papua, Indonesia, on the Bomberai Peninsula? This would give more info in the hook. John Hill (talk) 01:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt3 is okay. Shame Bomberai Peninsula is a superstub (come to think of it, not much point wikilinking it if we go with a descriptive hook). Worried about the interest factor though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT3 seems terribly boring to me. Just stating a place's geographical location is not interesting. Is there some joke I'm missing here? rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't think there is. I'm surprised that (with a name like that) there is little we have been able to do. I think the Muslim Indian and Arab hook may be a bit more interesting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 14

Nervous laughter


Tortrix destructus, Tortrix florissantana

Created by Kevmin (talk). Nominated by Smokeybjb (talk) at 16:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's good that you're documenting some extremely poorly known species like these, but I have some concerns. Why aren't the question marks in the article titles, if that is what they were named? Also, what is "revisions to the Eocene-Miocene boundary" supposed to mean? And where does the 35 million years figure comes from? In Engel (2003), I only see that the Florissant Formation is Eocene-Oligocene in age—not that it is exactly 35 mya. Perhaps they are Priabonian, but you need a source that actually says that. (Even when you do have such a source, the hook is rather bland. All fossils have been found somewhere and have some age, and there is nothing here that tells the reader why these particular species are special.) Ucucha 03:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing for the age has been provided (Meyer & Smith 2009), Not sure where I got the "Eocene-Miocene boundary" thing, to be honest, and it has been removed.--Kevmin § 17:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • alt2 ... that the only known individuals of the ancient moths Tortrix? destructus and Tortrix? florissantana flew nearly 35 million years ago?
..(alt) ..}}... that there is no evidence that the moth species Tortrix destructus or the larger Tortrix florissantana have flown in the last 30 million years?
Twist the hook and remove question marks to try and help with a catchier? hook Victuallers (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Victuallers hook is decent, although I think that there will be complaints at the Main Page talk. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Probably right, (I wonder if its the same people who get excited about boring hooks too?) I think its remarkable that we know about insects that have been extinct so long... and I think the "average joe" would be too Victuallers (talk) 18:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's generally the same group that complains, methinks. If it's too boring, they complain. If it's too hooky or the phrasing plays a little fast, they complain. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cronaca Fiorentina, Baldassarre Bonaiuti

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 18:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ref for ALT1 hook in article: excerpt from The Florentine Chronicle (c.1370-1380) "I'm going for the doctor."
I have taken the liberty of tidying the Alt1 hook a little. Moonraker (talk) 09:40, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have some concerns about these two articles. The title Cronaca Fiorentina is really not a good one, as it does not refer specifically to this work: it means "Florentine chronicle", of which there are several. If Italian is to be used in an improved title, Cronaca fiorentina does not have a capital 'F'. Both articles appear to have been written from computer-generated translations from Italian which have worked out unhappily. The first hook could probably be cited (except for "not schooled in reading or writing", which I have challenged), but I am reluctant to accept the citation to Atti del Congresso internazionale di scienze storiche AGF, as the citation is to the whole of two volumes, without a page number. I do not think the writer has had access to this source. The Alt1 hook is acceptably cited, if the other issues can be addressed perhaps we can go forward with that. Moonraker (talk) 05:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Took out the concerned sentences. Copyedited original hook removing "not schooled in reading or writing". Changed name of article to Cronaca fiorentina. Will original or ALT1 be acceptable now?--Doug Coldwell talk 11:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am trying to help a little. I have moved the first article to Cronaca fiorentina di Marchionne di Coppo Stefani, which identifies it, but (and I really do not mean to be unkind} the text is still too mangled to be worthy of the Main Page. As a small example, Rodolico is a man and not a woman. It really needs a lot more work. Moonraker (talk) 09:27, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for changing the title. It does make it clearer as to who wrote this particular Chronicle of Florence. Changed "she" to he" to make Rodolico a man. All other paragraphs have an inline reference where I got the information. In addition to that many sentences within the paragraphs also have inline references where I got the material. Do you see a sentence that you feel is not correct? Perhaps I can point it out further in the reference.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To avoid doing a lot of work myself (this is your nomination, after all) may I suggest you work through it and double-check everything, preferably against English-language sources? There are some minor points (like the spellings "abandonded", "sich", "salvia") but more major ones, where the language is just mangled. You should try to avoid repeating phrases from the sources, unless you make a quotation and identify it. Moonraker (talk) 12:41, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ran the text through a woodprocessor and spell check to make sure everything is spelled correctly. Did copyediting as you suggested. Put quoted material in quotations and referenced it. Is the original hook or ALT1 acceptable now?--Doug Coldwell talk 17:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have done some work on the Cronaca article, correcting the spelling and tidying the text, which I hoped to avoid, but it still has the fault that most of its text is simply an account of the plague in Florence and not a description of the book. Can you please add to this article to make it clearer how each paragraph of the text relates to the Cronaca? There is no problem with the Alt1 hook, but the article does need to be good enough for the Main Page. Moonraker (talk) 09:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done --Doug Coldwell talk 12:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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Techno Cumbia

  • ... that Techno Cumbia was believed to be the earliest forms of pop-cumbia-rap fusions?

5x expanded by AJona1992. Self nom at 07:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • ref 20 is showing the base URL. Pls fix. Otherwise OK. PumpkinSky talk 12:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note I have removed the URL from the template, simply because I couldn't find any way on fixing it. I don't know why that happened. Thanks, AJona1992 (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
per above and talk on user talk page.PumpkinSky talk 23:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook is badly formatted, and does not make sense. "Techno Cumbia" is the name of a song, not of a style of music. It is also extremely vague and uses weasl words; who believed this, and why is their opinion worthy of note? --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to Billboard magazine it is. AJona1992 (talk) 17:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked the cited source [36] for this claim, but do not find it supported in the source. If I'm wrong, then please point out the quote from Billboard that supports the hook's claim. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is there, seems to me that you didn't read it (fully) at all. Please read Selena's spot on the article which is right next to Ricky Martin's ad for his album. Located near the bottom of the article. AJona1992 (talk) 14:47, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, I did read that bit, but it does not support the hook's claim. It says that "During her heydey, Selena established one of the early templates for pop-cumbia-rap fusions with her hit "Techno Cumbia"." The article calls the song a template for such fusions, but does not call it "forms of pop-cumbia-rap fusions" and certainly does not call it the earliest; it only calls it one of the early ones. Even if a suporting source can be found, the hook does not mean sense, as a song cannot be a "forms of...fusions." --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ... that Techno Cumbia is believed to be one of the early templates for pop-cumbia-rap fusions? Hows this one? AJona1992 (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ERC (IRC client)

5x expanded by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Would be nice to have another ALT, perhaps a hookier one. Would it be possible to expand these sections? The article still seems rather stubby. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interest: The audience is tech readers, a very strong percentage of Wikipedia readers. It seemed cool to me that a hairy ol' text editor now ships with two IRC clients (ERC and rcirc), and two others (ZenIRC and Circe) are also available for it.1
  • Obvious faults: Features section has been expanded. "Sections are quite short" and "seems stubby" seem undue criticisms of an article which (@ nom) exceeded basic and 5x length DYK requirements handily. Did you mean that it would be better off unsectioned?
  • ALT3: ... that the ERC IRC client, included with GNU Emacs since 2007, is one of four IRC clients available for the text editor?
--Lexein (talk) 13:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • To quote rule #2, "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers." Length looks much better (the extra 400 chars really helps). I like ALT3, although may I suggest this alternate version?
ALT4 ... that ERC, included with GNU Emacs since 2007, is one of only four IRC clients available for the text editor?
The alt may be a little more succinct. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like ALT4 better, but there's trouble with "only" - the source doesn't say "only", and I was emphasizing "four" in the sense that that's a lot of IRC clients written in Lisp for what started out as a text editor, but is now an ecosystem unto itself. I've modded ALT3, but ALT5 might be better:
ALT5: ... that ERC, included with GNU Emacs since 2007, is one of a handful of IRC clients available for the text editor?
Source says "handful", article implies it. --Lexein (talk) 14:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT5 good to go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Veet

Father's Lion

Created by Pigby (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 09:15, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • umm...to grab readers' attention: the purpose of a hook. Rcej (Robert) – talk 08:44, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't normally use needlessly obfuscated Easter Egg links for that. Yomanganitalk 09:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The father of one named "junior" typically shares the same first name. Extremely confusing ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 03:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • That wasn't what I was confused about. I didn't know what that phrase was modifying. This has already been addressed by Yomangani below. rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This still has the same problem as the problem I pointed out with the original hook. What is "with Goofy"? rʨanaɢ (talk) 10:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just change it to "starring Goofy" or "featuring Goofy". Yomanganitalk 11:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for clarifying that. I don't find the hook particularly attention-grabbing; are uncredited roles all that uncommon?
  • More seriously, I'm a bit concerned by the fact that the article consists almost entirely of plot summary, and I'm not sure if any of the references provided are reliable sources. rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I actually don't mind if this nom is failed; the article is ok, but I don't have time to work on this one, and the content will basically be the plot summary. Thx. Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nope. More like a 'let it ride' ;) Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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1605 Keichō Nankaidō earthquake, Tsunami earthquake

  • Comment: Tsunami earthquake was created 19 July

Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I will have only intermittent internet access over the next several days so I may not respond rapidly to queries/comments - thanks for your patience (if required). Mikenorton (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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The Jeremy Kyle Show (U.S. TV series)

Created by Robert Moore (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 06:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Colas Group

Created by Imgaril (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 05:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Arabic Mein Kampf

  • ... that the Arabic translation of

Hitler's Mein Kampf has been a bestseller in Palestinian territories?

Created by Mbz1 (talk). Nominated by ברוקולי (talk) at 18:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: Article is currently at AfD. Qrsdogg (talk) 04:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Given the current state of the AfD, deletion is unlikely. Also, per the discussion, the title has been moved to Mein Kampf in the Arabic language. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 18:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
AfD has been closed as Keep. Per H2 this should be reviewed by an uninvolved editor. Qrsdogg (talk) 06:29, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
this blurb is better when the article is all set.Lihaas (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Harrison (Louisiana politician)

  • ... that the Louisiana State Rep. Joe Harrison withdrew an immigration proposal in 2011 which would have required providers of public benefits to verify citizenship of beneficiaries?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed Baltimore Rock Opera Society
  • Hook verified, article dated and ready, prose is 3613 per DYKcheck. Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie J. Lambert

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I grew up near Louisiana, and I'm questioning how notable this hook is, because in plenty of communities down there, it'd be more notable to find men who don't hunt 'gators! The date and length do meet DYK criteria, however; maybe User:Billy Hathorn could come up with a more notable ALT hook? That may be difficult, given the fact that this article about a relatively obscure Louisiana state rep. is borderline for notability to begin with. No offense intended toward Billy Hathorn, who I'm sure is a great editor. NickDupree (talk) 18:59, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Reviewed Fort Pitt Blockhouse
Under the Wikipedia rules, thank goodness, all state legislators are considered notable; so we don't have to pick and choose the ones to be favored. Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:11, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT... Louisiana State Representative Eddie J. Lambert has pushed for income disclosure laws not only for his fellow lawmakers but for local elected officials as well?
okay, I'll allow it on this ALT. NickDupree (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since several recent articles submitted by this user have been found to include examples of close paraphrasing, all his submissions will need to be thoroughly checked against their sources before being promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lapeer County Courthouse

Lapeer County Courthouse (Lapeer, Michigan)

Created by Notorious4life (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that, completed in 1846, the Lapeer County Courthouse (pictured) is one of the 10 oldest continuously active courthouses in the United States and the oldest in Michigan?
I like ALT1 more. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Notorious4life (talk · contribs) has more than 5 DYK credits on the usertalk. Peer review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Faial Botanical Garden

  • ... that the function of the Faial Botanical Garden (pictured) is to preserve and maintain the collection of endemic plants common to the island of Faial and the Azores?

Created by Zeorymer (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 21:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Length, format, content rules: The hook claims there's one function, but the article says there are at least two major functions. If you can fit it into the ch. limit, perhaps make a thing out of these diverse functions. Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source: Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interest: Marginal. Is it unique in the region? Was it the first of its type? Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image suitability: Too detail-rich and dark/shadowy for 100px (can it be brightened to make it work?). Try another from the article, brightened? Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The external link: could you translate the title and add "(in Portuguese)"? Article images could all do with a boost to their brightness. The opening left-side images squash the text against the infobox unless your window-width is quite large; please consider relocating further down (on the right?). Could be DYKable, but needs work. Tony (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Société de Construction des Batignolles

Created by Imgaril (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 21:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • The hook needs to be copyedited by a native English speaker. rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Length:Tony (talk) 06:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vintage: The tool says: "Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 39 edits ago on July 17, 2011". I think this fails then?
    • Looks like it was 6 days old when it was nominated; that means it's borderline, but in the past I think people have often permitted articles that were nominated more than 5 days after creation/expansion if those dates still have active noms on this page. I'm not sure what current practice is. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing (V, RS, BLP):Tony (talk) 06:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutrality:Tony (talk) 06:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plagiarism/close paraphrasing:
  • Copyvio:
  • Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: Dash script run on article: please transclude—see the edit-summary.

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Elizabeth Robins Pennell

5x expanded by BrainyBabe (talk). Self nom at 09:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments/discussion: So, if I'm understanding this new format correctly, there are two objections. One, ref tags: I have moved all the full stops I can see, so that they precede the ref tags. I happen to dislike this on logical and stylistic grounds, but if this is what is needed to get the article approved, so be it. More importantly, the hook is objected to on the grounds that the biography alluded to wasn't the first one. Well, yes and no: Mary Wollstonecraft's widower William Godwin was arguably mad with grief when he put out his Memoirs of the Author of A Vindication of the Rights of Woman a few short months after her death. It was, as the title suggests, more memoir than biography, and was one of the most famously ill-judged books in history. Would it be acceptable to suggest an alternative hook?

ALT1 ... that Elizabeth Robins Pennell (1855–1936), the art critic and cookbook collector, wrote the first independent biography of proto-feminist Mary Wollstonecraft?

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Active Life: Explorer

  • ... that the fitness and sports video game Active Life: Explorer is also a party game and mini-game compilation?

Created by TheLoverofLove (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Parkes ministry (1878–1883)

Created by Jherschel (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 07:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Carly Foulkes, Powers (FX TV series)

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 04:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Adolf Theuer

Created by WilliamH (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Long enough and fresh enough ,but it has an orphan tag on it at the moment. The date formatting should to be changed to day month year format as it is about a European subject.--DavidCane (talk) 22:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I also note that we have also had two other DYKs from this author on the Auschwitz gas chambers in the last couple of days are we in danger of overload?--DavidCane (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • De-orphaned and dates amended. The second concern - it did occur to me too. The reason why is because I've found some articles I'd written in various states of completion from the salvaged hard disk of my previous computer. If you wish to defer this for a few days, I have no problem with that at all. WilliamH (talk) 22:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'll leave it to the directors to decide on the overload issue.
        • Another question: the article on his home town of Henneborg-Bolatitz is a red-link and the modern location is in the Czech Republic. The article describes him as German, but was he reichdeutsch or volksdeutsch? His trial in Prague suggest he may have been the latter.-DavidCane (talk) 12:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • Good point. I gleaned this from the German Wikipedia, which simply describes him as deutsch. I suspect you're right, but since I can't conclusively determine it, I've omitted it. WilliamH (talk) 17:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Scotland national under-16 football team

Created by Deserter1 (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Brandreth Pill Factory

The Virgin Mary (book)

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IDEA: The Intellectual Property Law Review

Created by Ivylaw (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 11:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Length, format, content rules: Within normal limits. Rewrote a bit for clarity (to make sure readers understand changes in location of otherwise continuous publication Daniel Case (talk) 03:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source: Daniel Case (talk) 03:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interest: I'm sure it's not the only academic journal to have migrated, but for such a pre-eminent one in an important subfield ... yes, this is interesting/
  • Image suitability: N/A Daniel Case (talk) 03:54, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT hooks, if proposed: Perhaps just mention, for brevity's sake, that it has been published by three different institutions? Or that IDEA claims to be one of the oldest intellectual property law publications in the world?

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Comments/discussion: I agree with Daniel Case that the hook is unnecessarily long and detailed and could be improved simply by saying that the journal has been published by three different institutions since whatever date (if that indeed is the most interesting thing that can be said). rʨanaɢ (talk) 10:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Hay Mackenzie Elliot

Edward Hay Mackenzie Elliot

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 03:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I still have not seen a reference for the diplomatic career. If I've glossed over something, please point the ref out. Is that A.D.C. in the second paragraph in this section meant to be aide-de-camp? If so, it should be spelled out and probably wikilinked. Marrante (talk) 18:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Andrew Brokos

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Zoom (The Knack album)

  • ... that just 5 years after the release of 1998 The Knack album Zoom, the band re-released the album under the title Re-Zoom with two additional tracks covering Badfinger and Elvis Costello songs?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Length: --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vintage: --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: Needs a lead section. One excessively long sentence needs rewriting: "Roger Catlin, writing in the Hartford Courant noted similarities between the opening song "Pop Is Dead" and The Beatles' "And Your Bird Can Sing" and The Who's Tommy, and between the album's second song "Can I Borrow a Kiss" and the classic song "Needles and Pins," suggesting that at that point The Knack "looks to be on a track to produce a classic in '60s rock emulation along the lines of Flaming Groovies' Shake Some Action, although the later tracks "disappoint.". Content is a bit light, and lacks commercial reception/sales data. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Know Hope Collective, Know Hope Collective (album)

Created by 3family6 (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Virginia Staudt Sexton

  • ... that while psychologist Virginia Staudt Sexton was a guidance director at Fordham University she opened a psychology lab, created a major and became associate professor and chair of the psychology department?

Created by Rboateng (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 06:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Murder of Pon. Navarasu

Created by Sodabottle (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • The hook fact is not supported by the article. The article says that legislation was passed, and that Tamil Nadu was the first Indian state to pass a law banning ragging. There is no place that says this was the first anti-ragging law in India, or even in Tamil Nadu. I am also very concerned by the large number of strong uncited claims about murder, confession, and dismemberment. These facts need to be cited, or else this article cannot be used for DYK. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The legislation passed a)bans the practice of ragging b)criminalises it. I believe this can be described as an "anti-ragging legislation/law". This is the common usage in India. A few examples of usage of this term in in RS - [7] [8], [9]. Perhaps this is a regional language variation problem. In indian english, any law banning a particular practice is called "anti-X" law in general parlance. Thus legislation banning dowry is called "anti-dowry law". If it is still confusing how about the following alt hook:
... that the murder of Pon. Navarasu led to the passage of the first legislation banning the practice of ragging in India?

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... that the murder of Pon. Navarasu led to Tamil Nadu becoming the first Indian state to ban ragging?
And all the claims - murder, confession and dismemberment are clearly supported by the references added. In fact this single news report on the first sentencing supports all the claims you mention above -(John David, who indulged in ragging in the hostel campus, was angered over the fresher, Navarasu, for not obliging him and assaulted him in his hostel room. When Navarasu fell unconscious, David decapitated him and severed his limbs. He dumped the head, packed in a rexine bag, in a slushy pond located in the University campus, ....On November 18, David made a confessional statement and later took the policemen to places where he had disposed of parts of Navarasu's body; .....today sentenced John David, a second-year medical student of Chidambaram Annamalai University, to a double life imprisonment for murdering Pon Navarasu). This report alone supports what you claim to be uncited - "murder", "confession", "dismemberment". There are multiple other references that support the facts stated in the article like this 2011 report - (David reportedly had a fight with his junior Navarasu, son of the former vice-chancellor of Madras University, Prof P K Ponnuswamy, on November 6 and killed him in his hostel room. He then decapitated and dismembered the body and stashed it in different places.). I am puzzled why you claim the article contains uncited claims. Am i missing something here?--Sodabottle (talk) 05:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The citations are all clustered on sentences about the legislation at the end of the paragraph. Facts need to be supported by citations placed at the end of the sentence in which they are presented, and not by citations placed on sentences five or six later. I would not know which facts are supported by which sources without going and reading the sources, which means the citations are not properly placed. Currently, all the citations in the first paragraph are positioned to support only the final two sentences, which deal only with the legislation and not the circumstances about which most of the paragraph is written.
    Either of the alternative hooks you proposed above would be suitable as the hook, but the citations problem is serious. Negative claims must be carefully cited in an article, and that has not been done here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "Pon." stand for? The full name should certainly be in the article, if not necessarily the hook. Johnbod (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Final dissolution of the Western Roman Empire

Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can't get the picture uploaded; the one I want can be found on the document. Could anyone please help with that? DCI2026 (talk) 05:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Offline sources accepted and Alt 1 is mostly OK. However, the article has been moved to Odoacer's deposition of Romulus Augustulus and the article doesn't really state the the Empire was dissolved (it doesn't even use the word "dissolution" any more). If Alt 2 stopped at "in favor of his general Odoacer", it would be fine as a hook but that line in the article isn't (currently) directly referenced. The hooks could be reworded to match the article's new title. (Image added as requested.) - AdamBMorgan (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it too late to comment on this? I just stumbled across this article, & my first reaction was to propose merging this article into related ones, say on Romulus Augustulus or Odoacer. (Note: I just spent several days working on the latter article, generally adding sources & improving content, without knowledge this article existed, & much of what now is in Odoacer is duplicated in this article.) I don't think this should be included in DYK if it ends up being merged within a month or two. -- llywrch (talk) 05:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, by far the main source is Gibbon, which isn't really acceptable. Also, to my mind any hook in this area should cover that "Flavius Orestes, father of the last Western Roman emperor" was Attilla the Hun's secretary. Juvenile perhaps, but .... Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 19

Timema

Kiever Synagogue

Mayuranathaswami Temple, Mayiladuthurai

Created by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 01:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hook

  • Length, format, content rules: I find the hook impenetrable for all of the foreign words in it (the links shouldn't be relied on as a dictionary). It's not effective as a hook because of this. It could be simplified (towards the end, not explained), but until we know what it means, it's hard to say. Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC) I have reduced the number of "foreign" words. (Actually its traditional for the names of towns and temples in other countries to be named in the language that the locals speak). Can I apologise on behalf of Wikipedia for the assumption that you have to speak English. Actually using links as a dictionary is perfectly acceptable as it is our fault that some of us find words that are spelt odd as "foreign". (Unlike good old Chattanooga etc which is in in perfect English)Victuallers (talk) 20:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source:
  • Interest:
  • Image suitability:
  • ALT hooks, if proposed:

Article

  • Length: Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vintage:
  • Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Is a tourist guide a reliable source? Is the Ayyar book (91 years old) regarded as authoritative in this area? Might be, but could you let us know? Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutrality:
  • Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Hard to tell! Needs nominator to discuss with us. Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copyvio:
  • Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: Prose is quite good. Could you please put metric conversions in for the feet? Either manually, or someone will be pleased to show you the convert template, I'm sure: you'll find it very handy. Some ref tags repeated every sentence (try just the last one alone .. 5, 5, 5, 5 in three lines?) Tony (talk) 13:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments/discussion:

Sydney Harris

  • ... that Canadian judge Sydney Harris rulings include the 1978 acquittal of gay magazine Body Politic of obscenity charges and convicting NHL player Dino Ciccarelli after he assaulted another hockey player during a game?

Created by Vale of Glamorgan (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think a magazine can be acquitted of charges; it has to be the publishers, no? Yomanganitalk 10:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It depends — if the magazine were incorporated, the company itself could have criminal charges filed against it. Nyttend (talk) 01:41, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Piva Monastery

Piva Monastery

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 08:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not quite. Most of the paragraph on the decoration is very similar to this, which isn't given as a source. Yomanganitalk 21:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tummalapalle Uranium mine

  • ... that recent findings at Tummalapalle Uranium mine will substantially increase India's capability of producing energy from nuclear plants and at lower cost.?

Created by Sachinvenga (talk). Self nom at 06:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could do with some copyediting, and some parts look similar to sources. Maybe a more interesting hook could be something along the lines of "one of the largest reserves of uranium in the world". Christopher Connor (talk) 16:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1:... that With possibly one of the largest reserves of uranium in the world, Tummalapalle Uranium mine will substantially increase India's capability of producing nuclear energy and that-to at lower cost.? -- . Shlok talk . 04:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have made some copy editing to the article regarding removing similarity to sources.-- . Shlok talk . 06:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm afraid we have to be modest with the hook here. All claims of largest reserves come from newspapers referring to some statements by Indian officials. Until this is confirmed by proper authorities (like USGS or/and international bodies) this is not reliable - mining news are so closely related to politics and stock exchange that they were too often misused in the past. Materialscientist (talk) 06:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think the writing is good enough yet to be featured on the main page, and not sure checks have been thorough enough. For example, the sentence beginning "In the initial period of operation of mine", as well as being incomprehensible, is largely similar to the source. "upcoming uranium mine" doesn't sound right. The second paragraph says that Srikumar Banerjee has 49,000 tonnes in him. Just examples, there are more. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Concur. Many grammar glitches actually originate from the sources (mostly Indian newspapers). I am brushing them up from time to time, but those are merely quick patches. Materialscientist (talk) 04:34, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rugrats: Time Travelers

Created by TheLoverofLove (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 08:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

:* Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Plot section looks like a close paraphrase of the game manual (see this) (and badly written). Can't check gameplay section but suspicious. This isn't in the article but presumably is supposed to be ref 5, and also similar. The article also says 1997 but the source says 1999. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Illusion of transparency

  • ... that by simply knowing about and understanding the illusion of transparency you can effectively reduce speech anxiety?

5x expanded by KJamison7 (talk). Self nom at 02:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the DYK fact is not supported by an inline source. Length and expansion threshold met. date ok. There are grammatical and spelling errors to be fixed in this article. The critical sentence for the DYK is almost unintelligible, but I believe it can be edited to read well, assuming there is a reference that supports the intended meaning. Alawa (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is not the hook per se, so the alt version is not to the point. The issue is the level of literacy of the article. The sources help, but the writing, punctuation and grammar in the article are still not up to encyclopedia standards. Sorry, needs work. Alawa (talk) 22:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Je suis né d'une cigogne

Created by MorelMWilliam (talk). Self nom at 16:29, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about
  • This hook does not make sense. Also, the Time Out source does not say so much about Godard; it only says that the film tries to emulate Godard, but it does not give an opinion about whether Godard ever filmed subjects such as forged passports for crossing the border. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is a separate section talking about the film adopting Godard's techniques, along with multiple sources supporting it. All the reviews that the movie received talks about Godard. How about changing the hook to,
  • The last two hooks do not make sense. The "children of the stork" are characters in the film. These characters did not draw from Godard's film style; it was filmmaker Tony Gatlif who did so. How about this hook: ALT3: ... that in making Je suis né d'une cigogne Tony Gatlif was inspired by the films of Jean-Luc Godard? Binksternet (talk) 14:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Children of the stork is the english title of the film. They are characters in the film too. And the film adopts Godard's style. ALT 3 doesn't look like a hook but rather a summary of the whole fact. morelMWilliam 07:50, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, the English title should be capitalized and placed in bold italics like this: Children of the Stork. Once you are using the actual title of the film, you cannot say the titular "Children" take from Godard. Instead, you would say that the film Children of the Stork draws from Godard's films (especially Breathless) except for the problem that the Time Out London reference does not support the assertion that the passport theme was not also drawn from Godard. Binksternet (talk) 08:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Binksternet's earlier comments, alts 1 and 2 are unintelligible to me. Binksternet's alt looks fine, I guess the name could be changed to the English title if that is confirmed by the sources. Gatoclass (talk) 08:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What is the need to include Tony Gatlif in the hook? The movie has Godard's techniques and the sources have the english name in them. A hook shouldn't necessarily be a summary, and the hooks suggested by me aren't misleading in any way. And why should there be 'film' in it? Wouldn't the readers who click on the link be able to find that it is a film? And the hook doesn't state that the passport theme is taken from Godard. morelMWilliam 08:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The hooks suggested by you are not necessarily misleading, they are unintelligible, as Gatoclass also opines above; which is to say they are written in a way such that I have absolutely no idea what they're stating (or trying to state). Nikthestoned 11:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, all I intended the hook to state is that Children of the stork follows Godard's techniques, along with the characters in it forging passports, as simple as it can be. I dont want a summary in the hook with words like 'movie', 'characters' or even, 'director' as that would make the hook dull. If you have an another alternative incorporating this, try suggesting one. morelMWilliam 11:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How about this?
That hook is ungrammatical, apart from which our rules state that If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way - in other words, you can't conflate the real and the imaginary as you are doing here. The only compliant hook suggested thus far is still that proposed by Binkersternet. Gatoclass (talk) 11:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is the grammatical flaw in the hook? Children of the stork is capitalised, and it is the film's title. The hook has no fictional elements, as it now only states that 'Children of the stork', the movie, has passports forged in its plot and also draws from Godard. morelMWilliam 12:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's just badly written, I'm afraid. You're missing many qualifying things to make it readable. E.g.,
This, however, is unsuitable as the general theme of the book and movie are in Godard's style, not the specific act of forging passports. Nikthestoned 12:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, before we waste any more time on this, I'll propose an alt which I think gets MW's point across in an intelligible way:

Seems fine to me, though does the article specifically state that the stork does the forging? Nikthestoned 12:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I noticed that myself, so I changed it to "obtain". Gatoclass (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Why should a hook have everything? The hook,
ALT3: ... that Children of the stork has passports forged to cross the Franco-German border, apart from drawing inspiration from Godard?
as a standalone, is far more hooky than the dull versions spun out later. I don't see any grammatical flaws in it, and this is the best way to state the fact without summarising, unlike your attempts.. morelMWilliam 12:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Three people now have informed you that your preferred hook is both ungrammatical and unintelligible, it's not going to get accepted so please stop proposing it. Gatoclass (talk) 13:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well then what is the grammatical flaw in my latest hook? Requirements for a hook's intelligibility shouldn't demand a summary for a hook! Why should the hook say 'the movie' children of the stork? Maybe Alt 3 can be modified to,
ALT3: ... that Children of the stork has passports forged to cross the Franco-German border, apart from its drawing inspiration from Godard?

morelMWilliam 13:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any mention of passports and the border fails Extra Rule #C6. Binksternet (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about this?

ALT6: ... that Gatlif's Children of the Stork gives a thesis on inter country border issues and alienation apart from drawing inspiration from Godard?
for easy verification, this fact is supported by the Timeout review. morelMWilliam 13:32, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are trying to do say two things when only one thing is needed. You are trying to say that Gatlif drew inspiration from Godard, which is supported, and that Gatlif's plot elements of forged passports and border crosssings were not drawn from Godard. The Time Out London source does not support this second assertion, and it is the only reference in the "Themes and analysis" section of the article. Binksternet (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am not trying to say what you tried to infer from the review. Doesn't the review talk about the thesis on border issues? Does the review talk about Godard? Does the hook read like the film's take on border crossings to be not inspired from Godard? If yes, try again. It talks about two separate things, well referenced by not one, but many other sources which are in the subsections under Themes section. Could you try now. morelMWilliam 15:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't approve of ALT6 because it is clunky English. I'm not going to research the sources to see what can be salvaged. Binksternet (talk) 15:17, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can't figure what is clunky here though am sure that ALT6 is fine. morelMWilliam 15:26, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest we flip ALT6 to get ALT7: ... that Gatlif's Children of the Stork draws on Godardian filmic techniques to explore the alienation of border crossers? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT7 is approved. Binksternet (talk) 17:12, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT7 reads more like a dull clinical prescription than a DYK hook. Why should it have 'filmic' in it? ALT6 is just fine to go. 'Alienation of border crossers' is also not supported by the sources along with sounding awkward.
ALT6: ... that Gatlif's Children of the Stork gives a thesis on inter country border issues and alienation, along with drawing inspiration from Godard?morelMWilliam 17:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Filmic" to satisfy the rule that it has to be clear where the boundary lies between the fictional world and the real world—it makes clear it's a film. You're trying to combine the inspiration from Godard and the themes, but it's not clear why that should be interesting or surprising. So since you're right, ALT7 isn't one of the more interesting hooks on this page, but "gives a thesis" sounds really, really uninteresting, how about we go back to one of the more startling features of the film:

Is that better? Yngvadottir (talk) 18:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds a bit odd to me, I'd prefer the term "metaphorical stand-in", as used in the article. Nikthestoned 18:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
'Metaphorical stand-in' is a chaser for a hook. How about,
morelMWilliam 05:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ALT8 suggestion is okay, as was ALT7. The ALT9 suggestion fails Extra Rule #C6 because it is about the plot elements alone, not how the film relates to the real world. Binksternet (talk) 14:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT9 is not just about the plot elements, it relates to the real world in the part 'In Gatlif's' which makes it very clear that it is in the movie. morelMWilliam 15:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT9 is almost the same as ALT4 which was suggested by Gatoclass. Yet no response. morelMWilliam 06:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did not approve ALT4 and I do not approve ALT9, both because of extra rule C6. Binksternet (talk) 14:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The rule you keep stating says that it has to involve real world in some way, and the hooks in question have the part 'Gatlif's, which is the real element. morelMWilliam 18:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pink Robin, White-rumped Robin, White-winged Robin, Black-chinned Robin, Slaty Robin, White-browed Robin, Grey-headed Robin, Ashy Robin, Black-sided Robin, Black-throated Robin, Eopsaltria

adult male Pink Robin

  • Comment: not finished this multihook yet... could feasibly add one or two more but that would require energy, time and inclination I lack. Any idea how many hooks I should review...?

Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC) 5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 15:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Given all the other stuff you do around the DYK project Casliber, I would have thought that five was enough - any other views? Mikenorton (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also: to my knowledge of the rules one would have been enough, it's hook for hook, not article for article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I generally go article for article, but Mike is right; Casliber does a lot of work around here. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pink Robin - length, date, image status, referencing, and hook ref OK and no close paraphrasing found. Mikenorton (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, I think this is impractical from the perspective of reviewing, visually against the other hooks, and the utterly unlikely prospect that readers will know what to click on. If it's to be a random click, this is spreading it very thin. I think two (three exceptional) should be the limit. Tony (talk) 13:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • While I share some of your concerns about multihooks, this issue has been discussed quite recently at WT:DYK and as far as I remember there was not yet a consensus to eliminate these kinds of hooks. Anyway, WT:DYK would be a more appropriate place to discuss this, rather than holding up the progress of one hook which right now isn't breaking any DYK rules. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • What is impractical Tony? The "hooky" thing is that all these antipodean robins are all sorts of colours, unlike the orthodox red-breasted robin of Europe. Hence why I liked the diverse colours. I will review some more as I have some free time tonight. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's impactical to follow one user's opinions when they're plainly at variance with virtually everyone else's. Nyttend (talk) 01:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • PS: Tony, readers can click on anything that takes their fancy - they are the readers after all. There are no "right" or "wrong" pages to read. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yellow has not been expanded sufficiently; I wonder if you meant to link to a species (though I can't see any that qualify). All others are OK for neutrality, length (expansion), age, sourcing, prose, and the absence of copyvio, plagiarism or close paraphasing. Hook horrendous but passable. Picture fine. Good to go when Yellow is sorted out or unbolded (which would look even worse).
Some articles need the stub cat removing from the talk page. Conversions need adding for quite a few measurements and the formatting of the measurements needs sorting out. Some overlinking and underlinking. Why are there sub-headings in some articles and not in others of the same length? Yomanganitalk 23:03, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did mean the genus, which is known generically as the "Yellow Robins" - I have the article at 67 words by the pDA tool before I got stuck into it, and 343 words at current (just over 5x expandage by word count). I see it is 440 to 2175 chars. 2214 chars now. WIll see what I can do. Will try to massage the others a little and remove any outstanding stub cats etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All ready to go. Yellow is now also OK for neutrality, length (expansion), age, sourcing, prose, and the absence of copyvio, plagiarism or close paraphasing. Yomanganitalk 22:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vojihna

Created by Zoupan (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hook

Article

  • Length: Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vintage:
  • Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Ref tag for "In 1359, Helena abdicated and took monastic vows, under the name Elisabeth."?Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutrality: Looks OK. Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plagiarism/close paraphrasing:
  • Copyvio:
  • Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: I ran the dash script; you're encouraged to use it. Suggestion: images 240px (at least the map, which could be 260px, frankly). Could you fix "that" ("who") in the opening sentence, please? Could merge stub-paragraph start of "Origin". There are other stub-paras, too: merge now and split later if necessary? Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments/discussion:

Articles created/expanded on July 20

James E. Lawrence

Queen of Sheba's Palace

Ruins of Queen of Sheba's Palace in Aksum

  • ... that the ruined palace (pictured) in Axum, Ethiopia, originally built in the 10th century B.C. was once home of the Queen of Sheba?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is already an article on Dungur (with a redirect from Palace of the Queen of Sheba); you might consider merging some of the content of this article into that one. Some of the sources in this article are suspect (much as I like the Rasta headline) as is the claim that it was once home to the Queen of Sheba (evidence for both her identity and the location of Sheba is sketchy). Yomanganitalk 01:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tsukabaru Dam

Tsukabaru Dam

  • ... that the 87 metres (285 ft) high Tsukabaru Dam (pictured) built on the Mimi River in 1938 was the highest gravity type dam in Japan but since relegated to second place after building of the Kamishiba Dam?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 11:34, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Size ok and date ok. If I am not wrong, the reference does not support the second part of the hook, about Kamishiba Dam. The review diff is missing. This is the first time I review some DYK nomination according to the new rules, so please accept my apologize if I made some mistakes in my review.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hook

  • Length, format, content rules: Length is 204 characters, the title of the new article is in bold and linked to the new article. The hook refers to established facts but it is not unlikely to change because it the dam in question can go to third or fourth place in the future. The hook is neutral and mentioned in the article. Only the first part of the hook is cited with an inline citation. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source: The claim "but since relegated to second place after building of the Kamishiba Dam" is not supported with referenced source.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interest: The part of hook which is referenced is is hooky.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image suitability:I am not sure about the source for this image. There are dead links pointing to the source or user who uploaded this image.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)They are actually red links and I agree there is no reason to doubt an own work of the uploader.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT hooks, if proposed:

Article

Comments/discussion:

All fixed I think Victuallers (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure about the source for this image. There are dead links pointing to the source or user who uploaded this image.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 17:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Dead links? All I see are red links, meaning that the uploader (Commons user 河川一等兵) never created a userpage. The image is unambiguously claimed as an own work by that uploader, and we don't have any good reasons to doubt that claim. Nyttend (talk) 01:47, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right and I am wrong. They are red links and I agree there is no reason to doubt an own work of the uploader.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Communication strategies

Created by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • None of the three sources are inline, so I do not see how this DYK can be approved. Further, I question the validity of this article as written; the topic of communication strategy goes far beyond the technical use of the term as defined in this narrow portion of the field of linguistics here. The hook itself is indicative of how vague and utterly incomplete the whole presentation is. This may be an inappropriate venue for that larger discussion, but the article can hardly be judged better than a stub when its explicit topic is vast, and if it were so judged, which I hope someone with that authority will now do, it would not qualify for DYK.Alawa (talk) 18:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Alawa, and thanks for looking over my DYK nomination. I agree that the topic of "communication strategies" is potentially vast, and that this article is only dealing with the topic as it is presented in second language acquisition literature. I don't think this means that it fails the DYK criteria though - I don't see that anywhere on the selection criteria list. I would be open to renaming the article to something like communication strategies in second language acquisition, though, if that would help. Thinking of it as an encyclopaedic topic, though, I think it would be best to leave it where it is, and then people are free to expand/edit it as they see fit. As for the citations, the hook is cited inline, and the article in general uses inline citations - maybe you were confusing this criterion with online references? It is not necessary to have the references online to get a hook accepted at DYK. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 16:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate being educated in the criteria. (is it just me or are they changing the procedures rather often?) I can accept the references in good faith. If that gets you a DYK, good for you. However, my concern over the disjuncture of your topic (extremely broad) and your discussion (vanishingly narrow and clearly a stub) remains profound. That disparity leads to a hook that has almost no meaning. Specifically, your hook misses the point-- saying X instead of Y is not a strategy; coining a new word is. That is how I read your entry, at any rate. Perhaps you could say *ALT1 ... that linguists have identified several communication strategies used in learning a second language, including coining new words? And even if that works for you, I still encourage you to see if your content would not be better integrated within the article on second language acquisition. IMO that is where it belongs, instead of creating a future problem of disambiguation if someone wants to actually write about communication strategy, which is, after all, a robust field of its own. But that is up to you. Alawa (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind changing the hook at all - my one was just the snappiest one that I came up with. Your example is definitely more solid, and will mean more to readers, even if it might not get as much click-through. But that's fine by me. As for the content, well, I may be able to expand it, but not for the next day or two, as I will be busy. I shall post back here if I expand it, and otherwise leave it to the best judgement of the editors here. Also, it could and probably should go in second language acquisition - I've been slowly building that article and its daughter articles up, and this time I just chose to write the daughter article first. As it stands it's probably a little too big for a merge - it would have to be condensed. Still, even if it doesn't get a DYK I don't think it will do any harm being there by itself. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 06:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No great harm, anyway, and I could be wrong about this being the right way to seed a large, complex entry. But as for the DYK, the fact that we appear to agree it is not a fully-developed article in the sense intended by the Additional Rules for DYK (D7: There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress) makes it hard to give it a green light, with all respect, even with my own Alt1 in play. Sorry to take that hard line. I'll leave this as a open question, however, in case another editor wants to venture an opinion. Good luck on the next one. Alawa (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • References can be offline and accepted in good faith. However, there are issues with this article. For one, the title is definitely not sufficient because the topic is vast, but the article is narrow. The title needs to reflect the focus of the article and the article will have to be tweaked to make it obvious that the term "communication strategies" is not exclusively about learning a foreign language. Secondly, not all paragraphs have citations. As for the hook, it is merely incomplete because it doesn't mention the context so that one can understand the term "communication strategy". Saying X instead of Y is indeed a strategy, as anyone who has ever tried to communicate in a foreign language knows. It's one of the most-used strategies there are in communicating in a foreign language, particularly when one is first starting to use the new language. However, that does come from the subheader "Coining new words", which is also a strategy and is interesting as such. I would say the nominator needs to fix the title and tweak the article, make sure all paragraphs (even one-liners) are cited and then use the ALT1 hook below or write another one that includes the complete context. Marrante (talk)
— Marrante (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Ahmad Sarbani Mohamed

5x expanded by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles created/expanded on July 21

Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences

Tatanua mask

Chinese Academy of Fishery Sciences

Ooops... I've reworded the hook. The reference is to the Yangtze River Fisheries Research Institute, which is part of the Chinese Academy of Fishery Sciences. --Epipelagic (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Revised hook is fine. Moonraker (talk) 14:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa Conciliation Committee

Palaeontinidae

Created by Obsidian Soul (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Excellent, well-cited article and lovely photo. Hook fact verified in on-line copy of cited source. Article is certainly long enough and is "new" (was in user namespace before). --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If Day

  • ... that the 1942 Nazi invasion of Winnipeg, known as If Day, was the city's largest military manoeuvre to date?

5x expanded by Nikkimaria (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • AGF on offline sources but otherwise it checks out. Splendid article and great hooks! Constantine ✍ 00:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks! Do you or anyone else have any preference on which hook to use? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    IF we continue to have April 1st special hooks, then ALT2 should be used for that. However, that would mean waiting for a while to see it go on the Main Page. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The date doesn't matter to me, really - it's just a hook-rich article. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
All of the hooks are great, as is the article, except that ALT2 is ungrammatical: "... that the only blood ... was a woman". Perhaps use "was from a woman". Ucucha 00:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Emerita analoga

Emerita analoga (Crustacea: Hippidae)

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Stemonitis (talk) at 07:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Tumblebug Complex Fire

Smoke rising from the Tumblebug Complex Fire

Created by Jsayre64 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This tool counted 2,204 characters in the article's prose, so the length should be good. Jsayre64 (talk) 01:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
sources check, Jsayre64 says the length is good, but the number of 14570 does not seem to be sourced. Your article says 13,000 at the end with a reference. Either add a reference in the lede for the total figure, or better, edit your last line to reflect the higher number with its source. Otherwise, well documented. Alawa (talk) 01:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I actually provided a citation for 14,570. It's in the infobox. The fire was burning 13,000 on September 29, 2009. It kept growing after that. I'll add some citations to the lead, though. Jsayre64 (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go then. Sorry, I overlooked the ref in the infobox. Good luck with this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alawa (talk • contribs) 17:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I edited the last paragraph of the article to include the final acreage and to cite the post-mortem report that gave that information (hooks should be based on the body of the article, not infoboxes or photo captions). I also edited the hook to remove the "until October" part, which didn't make sense to me. --Orlady (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tihomil of Rascia

Created by Zoupan (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article has been moved to Tihomil of Rascia, and I have accordingly adjeusted the header, links, and credit template; also linked Magyar and "appanage" as readers may not know what they mean. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article is rather strangely structured. It needs a copy-edit, and I'm guessing from the tense shift that the second paragraph onwards recounts the story as recorded in the chronicle, but this isn't clear. The hook is poorly phrased too, and looks like it is on the long side, although I haven't counted and could be totally wrong. Yomanganitalk 01:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 22

Monster Talk

SeaLifeBase

Richard Taylor (British Army officer)

Heavy Neolithic

Rodney Blake (basketball)

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I meant to say earlier, if anyone has any alternate hooks I'd be up to hear them. I'll try and think of one and come back later. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Kipnis

5x expanded by Epeefleche Self nom --Epeefleche (talk) 19:03, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewed: Jimmy & Rosalynn Carter Work Project
  • Expansion and date verified. However, there are problems with the hook. First, the sourcing for the "all-conference" football status is Kipnis' bio from the Arizona State web site, which is not independent (Kipnis was a student-athlete at ASU), and, more importantly, which does not provide any specificity as to the claim of "all-conference' football status. If he was truly an all-conference football player, surely a more specific (and independent) source can be found? Second, the hook fact is lifted verbatim from the source. The article states: "He was an All-Conference wide receiver (setting school records for catches, yards, and touchdowns in a season) ..." The source states: "was an All-Conference wide receiver, setting school records for catches, yards and TDs in a season." In looking over the article, it also appears to have a POV of trying to oversell his accomplishments. He has yet to even appear in a Major League Baseball game as of today (may debut tonight or tomorrow). As an example, the second sentence in the lead opened, "He is considered one of the top prospects in baseball." Two sources were cited, but only one of them mentioned his status as a prospect. That source, a Baseball America article from Feb. 2011, rates him #54 on its list of the top 100 prospects. I modified the statement to make it more precise. My suggestion is as follows: Come up with a more reliable source for the football-related hook, or come up with a different hook. Also, you need to give the article a careful check to try to eliminate instances of potential close paraphrasing and exaggerations of his accomplishments. Drop me a note when this is done, and I'll give it another look. You'll also need to complete a quid pro quo review. Cbl62 (talk) 23:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I took a closer look and don't see significant plagiarism issues with the article or with other instances of exaggeration. Given the focus of late on close paraphrasing, however, you should re-work the sentence noted above. Take care of that, and find a better source for the all-conference honors, and we should be good to go. I have also changed the initial caps "All-Conference" to "all-conference" in the hook and made Cleveland Indians possessive. Cbl62 (talk) 23:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Tx for taking a closer look. I've now added a third reference to him being an All-Conference wide receiver. I reverted your revert of initial caps, per the added source (and one of the two already existing refs). As far as "close paraphrasing" is concerned, that's a non-issue here given the three sources and the language itself.
Also, I'm not sure we need an apostrophe here. Usage allows us to dispense with it, as we would dispense with it when referring to "New York Mayor Bloomberg" -- I think that you are getting confused by the fact that there is an "s" in the team name ... see for example this recent headline from the New York Times: "From a Long Toss From Shea to a Mets Closer", or NESN/Major League Baseball's "Cleveland Indians Pitcher Fausto Carmona Trips While Running Bases, Placed on DL".--Epeefleche (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The concern I have was with the "All-Conference" assertion in the media guides/bios of the colleges for which Kipnis played. These are not independent sources, and when reciting high school honors, these college media guide-type sources (in my experience) are often imprecise and in many cases inaccurate. In this case, I dug for the original source on the supposed "all-conference" honors and have added the more precise information to the article. Kipnis was selected for the all-star football team for the Central Suburban League's North Division (a group consisting of six suburban Chicago high schools). I'd suggest instead going with an alternative hook, and I've suggested a couple below. Since I've now become involved in editing the article, it would probably be best for another review to make a final decision on this hook:
If the initial hook is to be considered, the term "All-Conference" should not be capitalized. This is a common mistake, even in some media outlets. The use of all caps is appropriate where the group referenced is a proper noun (e.g., "All-American" or "All-Big Ten Conference") or where it's an official designation of a recognized body (e.g., the NFL's "All-Pro" team), but it is not correct when used generically to refer to something like an "all-conference" team. Another grammatical note on the first hook. The apostrophe should be used in the original forumulation. It is, of course, acceptable to refer to "New York Mayor Blumberg" or "Cleveland Indians pitcher Joe Smith" as a descriptive term without an apostrophe. However, by inserting the article "the" in front of the phrase, it becomes a possessive term and requires an apostrophe. Thus, no apostrophe needed in the two alt hooks (which are not possessive) but is needed in the original hook. At least, that's the way the nuns drilled it into us back in Catholic school in the 1970s. Cbl62 (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The half-dozen refs supporting the statement in the initial hook include the highest-level RS for a baseball player, Mlb.com. Which, btw, initial-capitalized "All Conference" ("Was an All-Conference wide receiver, setting school records for catches, yards and TDs in a season").[17] The hook is eminently well-sourced to the highest-level source for baseball player, and its format follows that of the RS.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I don't see anywhere on the cited mlb.com page where it says Kipnis was an "All-Conference wide receiver. Can you direct to where that is said? Cbl62 (talk) 21:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I found it. There's a link on that page to "Bio." This bio does repeat the statement about him being an All-Conference wide receiver, which is the same vague statement taken verbatim from prior bios. The only primary record of an All-Conference selection remains, however, his selection to the CSL, North Division all-star team selected by the "Pioneer Press." Vague and unsupported references to "all-conference" and "All-American" honors are rampant in American sports and one of my pet peeves. I continue to think one of the alt hooks would be preferable. However, the original hook could also be used given the reliability of mlb.com. If the original hook is used, the use of initial caps on "All-Conference" and the missing apostrophe need to be fixed. Cbl62 (talk) 21:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The RS support for the statement appears in the highest-level RS for baseball players. There's no reason to not accept it. The fact that one editor dislikes the statement, reflected in baseball's highest-level RS, as well as by two separate colleges, etc., is no reason to not accept a hook. I'm happy with the RSs' sense as to what is appropriate, over the POV of "editor x". What we have is eminently sufficient -- we don't need a "primary record" as you suggest. And the format used by the official site of major league baseball -- all caps -- is preferable to the personal POV predilictions, and personal pet peeves, of "editor x". Frankly, this is getting a bit silly, IMHO.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Calling me "silly," reverting my edits with edit summaries saying my comments were "misleading,"[18] and canvasing for support on other talk pages (as I've seen you do here) is not helpful. I really was trying to help improve your article and hook, and you should not assume that I'm pushing a POV. My goal is not to push any POV, but to ensure accuracy of a hook to be featured on the Main Page. I believe my comments were and remain apt, and that a more precise statement about his being on the all-star team selected by the Pioneer Press for the CSL North Division is more accurate and informative than a vague assertion of generic "All-Conference" status. But in light of the surprising charge that I am pushing "personal POV predilictions," I'll let someone else make the call. Cbl62 (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is getting too long and off-topic for this page. I'll respond on the talk page of Baseball Bugs, the seasoned baseball editor (as you've responded only there, and not to my messages on your talk page). Apologies if you thought I was calling you silly; as I said, "this" is getting a bit silly, IMHO. Also, contacting one informed but uninvolved baseball editor, "Baseball Bugs", who is known for expertise in the field and asking his view on a baseball subject is not canvassing. More to the point -- let's let someone else opine. We have the highest-level baseball RS supporting the statement used in the original hook. IMHO, there is no issue here; the original hook is fine.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:21, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need for an apostrophe in the original hook. Any more than there would be if we were to write "the American rookie second baseman" (or "the Red Sox second baseman"). Just look for example at this TIME magazine reference to "the Cleveland Indians outfielder" or this New York Times reference to "the Cleveland Indians shortstop". The name of the team serves as an adjective.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that I see anything wrong with any of the other hooks offered as alternatives, but how about ALT 3 "... that Jason Kipnis, who was just called up from the minor leagues by the Cleveland Indians, played collegiate baseball at Arizona State University, where he double-majored in psychology and sociology?" as an alternative. Alansohn (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for agreeing that there is not anything wrong w/the initial hook. And thanks for the third-hook suggestion; the issue I have with that is it is far less "hooky" than the initial hook. The hookiness of the initial hook comes from the fact that he did something notable (which is not the case in alt 3 -- double majoring in those subjects is not IMHO very notable), and it was in a different sport than baseball. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, I don't see how being the best wide receiver in a group of 6 suburban high schools is all that notable. The alt 1 hook I offered contains a more significant claim to notability in the football world. Also, I'm not sure Allansohn was agreeing there's nothing wrong with the initial hook. Cbl62 (talk) 02:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would be more than happy to approve the initial hook and the two alternatives, based on the sources provided, my only issue here is coming up with the most appealing hook. I always find that a person who does two different things well makes for an interesting hook, and the more different the more interesting, though being able to do two slightly more similar things at an extremely high level is also hooky. The original and alternate hook both address his playing football. The original is acceptable and the sourcing is adequate, but the ALT 1 hook is definitely better than the original. Being an all-conference wide receiver means that you're deemed to be one of probably two or three best at the position among what could be a few dozen teams. A professional baseball player being called "one of the top receivers in the state" in football, among hundreds of teams in a state like Illinois, is far hookier to me than the original. ALT 2, that someone who made it to the major leagues was a top prospect to make it to the major leagues doesn't hit me as being too hooky; He was touted in essence as a can't miss professional baseball player and he didn't. My ALT 3 was intended to play off the fact that academic issues in college are often treated as an afterthought by most athletes, leading to the jokes about classes in simplified geology designed for athletes being called "rocks for jocks", yet Kipnis not only managed to play baseball at the top collegiate level, but found the time and effort to major in two separate fields of study. I find my own ALT 3 to better meet my criteria (but then again, that just shows that I like what I like), but in terms of the other suggest hooks, I'd go with ALT 1. Alansohn (talk) 17:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alan makes some good points. Agree with him that the original hook is fine. Also agree with him that ALT 1 is fine (and he may well have a point, when he says it is better). Also agree w/him that ALT 2 is not sufficiently hooky (and feel the same way about alt 4), for the reasons he states. I think that ALT 3 would work if he were at a higher level of academic accomplishment (e.g., Craig Breslow), but think that his particular academic accomplishments aren't strong enough for a strong contrasting hook. So -- I would go with either the original or with ALT1, but not with ALTs 2-4.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jacquie de Creed

  • ... that English stunt performer Jacquie de Creed claimed to be one of only a few people in Britain who could drive a car on its side, balanced on two wheels?

Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Self nom at 18:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed St Bartholomew's Church, Penn. TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hook is cited to a newspaper report of the content of her personal website (which is still up); it doesn't get more reliable because it is reported secondhand. Why not use her unbroken World Record in the hook? It's more interesting and less wishy-washy. Yomanganitalk 02:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be useful if someone who has a current edition of the Guinness Book of Records could confirm this as only the Sunday Mirror reports the record to be unbroken. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 13:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Paul Seminary (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • ref for first hook not great. transcription of newspaper. second hook is tricky. ref states they intend to sell house but we don't know if it ever got sold....do we? size and date of article check out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:52, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added another citation that should be sufficient support for ALT1. — AJDS talk 15:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eynesbury Rovers F.C.

5x expanded by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 23:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article prose expanded from to 296 to 2383 characters. Reviewed Yakee A Dangerous Liaison. Alternative hook could be "... that Sir Stanley Matthews played for Eynesbury Rovers in the match that set their record attendance?" Number 57 23:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

8.3x expansion verified, hook is good, date is good. However, there's a significant chunk of text in the first paragraph of the History section that's attributed to citation #2, which doesn't mention a lot of it; for example, that page says nothing about amateur status or anything else before 1946. Did you mean to cite another page for that section and use this one by accident? If so, once that fix is implemented, this should be ready to go. Nyttend (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The cites are only for the sentence in question and I believe all the information in the sentences cited in ref 2 are in there. However, to clear up any confusion I have cited the previous sentences to the other refs (hope that makes sense!). Cheers, Number 57 10:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Citations are all fixed, and as I said, everything else is fine. Note that the absence of page numbers in the citations is due to the absence of page numbers in the source: we can't require something be used if it doesn't exist. Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy & Rosalynn Carter Work Project

Created by Vanisaac (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi. Date, size, size of hook verified. I think we need some third-party, independent sourcing here. The references all appear to be by the Project itself. Others are welcome to opine as well.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the extra sourcing to document facts, establish notability, or to do something else? If someone has access to the New York Times archives, the Did You Know? factoid was front page, above the fold in September, 1984 - so it should be easily confirmable. So what are we looking for here? VIWS talk

Am I gonna get any help here on what sort of refs we need? I have 640,000 google hits away from the project page, but almost all of them deal with a very small part of the project (local news coverage, sponsor involvement, etc.) What, exactly, needs to be independently sourced? I've been waiting for a response for four days, and no one has said a thing. This article is about to move into the old nominations, so I think it deserves some attention. VIWS talk 21:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes -- to establish notability, we need sources that are independent. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've got direct citations from the AP, Huffington Post, and CNN, and parenthetical citations (about participants, media coverage, etc.) from the Seattle Times, Boston Globe, and National Crime Prevention Council. I'll keep working on independent citations for more of the facts, but is this the right track? VIWS talk 11:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 23

Ichthyoplankton

LarvalBase

Chinjusha

Joseph Gotthardt

As Canções de Eu Tu Eles

Reviewed: Okukubi Dam. Jaespinoza (talk) 00:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 23:18, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hook

Article

Nels Running

US Air Force Major General Nels Running

Created by PumpkinSky (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed: Orange Phelps PumpkinSky talk 20:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just seems a bit more concise. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 18:34, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just added comma after Montana, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is more concise but not nearly so interesting as someone who hadn't boarded a plane when he went to USAFA and got 7 DFC's is inherently interesting and quirky. So I stay with the orig for is interestingness. PumpkinSky talk 21:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
date, length, refs, pic fine. The hook reads a bit too complicated for me, is missing pictured and some commas, "seven" for 7. How about the other way round, to increase the contrast:
ALT2:... that US Air Force Major General Nels Running (pictured) was awarded seven Distinguished Flying Crosses, but had never boarded an airplane yet when he left his hometown Frenchtown, Montana? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
LOVE Gerda's ALT2PumpkinSky talk 22:52, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This hook was taken off Q6 a few hours ago by Nikkimaria (talk · contribs) with the edit summary "see article talk page, cp concerns". I'm restoring this nom here on T:TDYK, with the hope that the hook can return to prep when the "cp concerns" are addressed. --PFHLai (talk) 16:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please check if concerns were addressed, some editors including myself tried to, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If this is returned to the prep area, please use the hook as adjusted by PFHLai. ALT2 doesn't make sense. Yomanganitalk 22:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bitar Mansion

Bitar Mansion in June 2011 following neglect

Created by Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Jsayre64 (talk) at 19:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article is new, well above the size threshold. Citations are fine, and no other issues barring a successful nomination can be found. I'd rather see more than two references but considering the specific topic, that would be hard to achieve. Nice article.--Tomobe03 (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • But the hook is far too boring. Sorry, but no one cares that a house was built and has rooms, and the particular numbers aren't anything extraordinary. If nothing interesting can be found to be say about this topic, then it shouldn't be featured. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see other problems as well. While I don't think it's enough to constitute plagiarism, there is a lot of uncomfortable close paraphrasing and adoption of simple phrases directly from the source (e.g., "waist-high grass", "half-finished security gates"). More importantly, I don't think this article even demonstrates notability. I haven't bothered to search other sources, but from what's presented in this article, the house has just been the subject of one news piece. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See here for more comments. --Jsayre64 (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Length Newness Cited hook Interest Sources Neutrality Plagiarism/paraphrase
✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔ ✔

I'll ok ALT1. I don't think the paraphrasing is egregious. I'm still unsure about notability but someone else can work that out in the future if they want to challenge it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Christ Church, Lancaster

Christ Church, Lancaster

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Broken Hill Massacre

Created by Curleighandmowe (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 08:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length and hook seem fine. An interesting article! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Some statements are unsourced (example, "an imam and a halal butcher"), Wikification may not be up to par. Spotchecking reveals that some sentences may be lifted wholesale from other sources. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Full reference information needs to be given (not just links and titles; when the links become dead, these references will be hard to locate). The link for the ABC reference is broken. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now I'm not sure if the article as written is eligible; it appears to have been copied from this website. Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:01, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, that website was probably copied from here. It appears to be a Wikipedia mirror. rʨanaɢ (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Definite Wikipedia mirror. Article still needs some work before reaching the main page though. Article is possibly amalgamating information from different sources with slight paraphrasing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've slightly edited the article, removed the dead ref, found another src and improved the citing. Rcej (Robert) – talk 02:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks better, but (a) do the refs say what they are used as a reference to? and (b) there doesn't seem to have been any rewriting, so I'm still worried about a close paraphrasing problem. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If it isn't verbatim, which portion(s) of the article is considered paraphrased to the point of being inelligible for DYK? :) Rcej (Robert) – talk 05:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just worried about the possibility of close paraphrasing. As noted above, major portions of the article were already on forums before the Wikipedia article apeared. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 24

Gisborough Priory

Days Gone Bye

Icelandic Phallological Museum

Shinde Chhatri

Okukubi Dam

Toposa People, Nadapal, Narus, South Sudan

Hybrid Scorecard

Promoted by Sharktopus

A2 (Croatia)

Iain Blair

Architects of the United States Forest Service

  • Rejected by Crisco 1492

Scutellaria floridana

Nelson Story

Ronald Bodley

2003 Aceh New Years' Eve bombing

2004 Palopo cafe bombing, 2004 Poso bus bombing

Mely G. Tan

Human-Canine Bond

SS Eastern

Monarch Contemporary Art Center and Sculpture Park

Dudley Town, Cornwall, Connecticut

Rule of Marteloio

Articles created/expanded on July 25

Fukuji Dam

Michel Demazure

Arthur Seymour

Caxton Hall

Biological screw joint

Bruce McLenna


Promin

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Promin

Packera franciscana

Mike Keller

Ontario Highway 7A

Archived nomination

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Belle Mina

Acer douglasense

Babette Rosmond

Jerold Krieger

Trigonopterus oblongus

List of posthumous number-one singles (UK)

Herb Kawainui Kane

  • ALT1:... that Herb Kawainui Kane died on the 36th anniversary of the launch of the voyaging canoe he designed, Hōkūle‘a, an icon of the 1970s Hawaiian Renaissance?
  • Reviewed: Blanfordia
  • Comment: Character count is high if one counts the pipe necessary to have Hawaiian characters represented. If that is a problem, the alt version is consistent with the Wikipedia title style. But that would be unfortunate.

5x expanded by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:

Hook

Article

Comments/discussion:

Ayudhapurusha

Es ist das Heil uns kommen her, BWV 9

Leslie Flint

Army Substance Abuse Program

HMS Doterel (1880)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on July 26

Brownie Mary

Henry Godwin (army officer)

Cuno strikes

Gloria (Handel)

Dick Gordon (sports writer)

The Code (UK TV series)

Fantasy Studios

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Fantasy Studios

13th Light Bomber Squadron

Synaptula lamperti

Euphoria

Haneji Dam

University of California, Santa Barbara Library

The Throne, Otis (song)

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/The Throne

Articles created/expanded on July 27

A Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English

Drynaria

Pentoxyverine


2010 TK7

List of Faroe Islands national football team results

Alejo

Pilbara Toadlet

George Crile, Jr.

1861 Atlantic hurricane season

Giuseppe Cassioli

Werner Wrangel

The First Domino

FIFA eligibility rules

Sidalcea nelsoniana

Carex pilulifera, Myrmica ruginodis

Calcinus tubularis

Walter White (Breaking Bad)

HMS Prince Charles (1930)

Arctic policy of Russia

Articles created/expanded on July 28

Siege of Jerusalem (63 BCE)

Amanda Fraser (athlete)

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Amanda Fraser (athlete)

Oscar Clayton

Great Forest Park Balloon Race

John C. Truesdale

Lea Gottlieb

Jane Rice

Tennessee Center for Policy Research

224th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

Morris Meyerfeld Jr.

Battlefield Heroes (film)

2011–12 Temple Owls men's basketball team

Charybdis (IRCd)

Articles created/expanded on July 29

Olson House (Cushing, Maine)

Eden II

Moral reasoning

  • ... did you know that moral reasoning is culturally defined, and thus is difficult to apply; yet human relationships define our existence and thus defy cultural boundaries.

5x expanded by Keith Siebel (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Length Newness Cited hook Interest Sources Neutrality Plagiarism/paraphrase
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  • A new hook that needs to be suggested. Hooks that are mere definitions (e.g., "Did you know that X is a Y?") are generally not interesting. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not eligible as "newest content." Expansion happened July 20, not July 29. The article also has other issues, so I recommend against a major Swahili exception. Sharktopus talk 14:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC) [reply]
    • Technically this was nominated July 24, within 5 days of expansion; it looks like July 29 because the nomination was malformed and I had to fix the template for the nominator. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Some parts are still uncited, and read like OR. For example, the last paragraph has "When it came to moral decisions both men and women would be faced with they often chose the same solution as being the moral choice. This shows that gender division in terms of morality does not actually exist. Reasoning between genders is the same in moral decisions." Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:57, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Temporarily striking my delete vote as per Rjanag, but as of August 11 I still see an article that reads like OR, with not one improvement since July 29. I have notified author on talk page, as have others. Sharktopus talk 03:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This article was expanded for a course, which has now ended. The nominator may not be looking any more. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have now rewritten the article extensively. A previous copyedit had missed many of the problems. As expanded, this is a poorly structured and inadequate overview with mostly poor sources and showing poor understanding in places. NPOV doesn't really come into it because it's too close to the sources. There was close rewording where summary should have been used, but no plagiarism or copyvio that I can see; too many refs rather than too few. In short, it's freshman-level class work that needed advice and guidance from the instructor. The student had trouble with the citation templates and as intuited by Sharktopus has added examples as a means of clarification as one would in an essay. There is one bit of OR, which I commented out. I don't think it's ready for prime time, but if an expert can whip it into shape and if it then still meets the length requirement, may I suggest:

  • I don't think any of the regulars are experts in psychology... article still doesn't seem ready for prime time. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • This one is a difficult call as IMO the article is quite well written and informative; however, about half the article is sourced to about.com and somebody's personal website which fail WP:V, so I am reluctantly declining it. Gatoclass (talk) 06:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pauline Ashwell

Ridgeway Site

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Ridgeway Site

Type 79 radar

Editio Octava Critica Maio

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Editio Octava Critica Maior

2011 Ukraine mine accidents

"I thought he was kind of a dick yesterday"

Nepalese Chamber of Commerce, Lhasa

Jim Eastwood

Burlington Northern Railroad Bridge 5.1

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Burlington Northern Railroad Bridge 5.1

Holothuria forskali

Articles created/expanded on July 30

Roman amphitheatre

Suicide by hanging

Beaumont High School (St. Louis, Missouri)

Duff Cooley

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Duff Cooley

Guo Jie

The Nature of Mind

Agriculturalism

Thaddeus McCotter presidential campaign, 2012

Articles created/expanded on July 31

Contents of the United States diplomatic cables leak (Philippines)

Yayo Aguila

Madam Auring

Comala, Colima

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Comala, Colima

Entoloma bloxamii

Kuda Lumping

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Materialscientist (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Kuda Lumping

David Dunwoodie

Archived nomination

*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/David Dunwoodie

Arkadiusz Milik

Special occasion holding area

Please do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, nominate them in the candidate entries section above, under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated (i) within five days of creation or expansion, as usual, and (ii) between five days and six weeks before the occasion, to give reviewers time to check the nomination. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements; see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.


August 9

Virgin Islands dwarf sphaero

A Virgin Islands dwarf sphaero sits on a U.S. dime.

5x expanded by Visionholder (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could the pic be brightened or otherwise tampered with so the animal and the dime are distinguishable at tiny size? Excellent pic if this is possible. Tony (talk) 08:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

August 17 (Indonesian Independence Day)

Bendera Pusaka

The flag Bendera Pusaka is raised on 17 August 1945

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • And the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK w/me ... but I'll let one of the admins who handles those things address that. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gugur Bunga, Ismail Marzuki

Ismail Marzuki playing the piano

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Copyright status is noted on article's talk page. Short version, copyright for lyrics is life of author + 50 years, which means that they became public domain in 2008. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Prime Ministers of Indonesia

Official picture of Sukarno

5x expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 07:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Of the two sources used to support the hook information, one calls Sukarno a prime minister, but the other does not include him in a list of prime ministers of Indonesia. Neither source (nor the article) actually says he was the last prime minister; he is simply the last one in the nominated aricle's table. A hook fact must be supported by a citation. In any case, the article is "new" (more than 5x expanded) and is now of adequate length. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]


ALT1 ... that Sukarno (pictured) considered himself one of the Prime Ministers of Indonesia?
ALT1 better? Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Or ALT2: ... that President Sukarno (pictured) also considered himself one of the Prime Ministers of Indonesia? Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those are better, but I think we can make it a little stronger as:
    ALT3 ... that in 1959, President Sukarno (pictured) declared himself to be also Prime Minister of Indonesia?
    This makes the situation a little "hookier". --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I prefer ALT3, but any of the alternative hooks should work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you want to also save this one for 17 August (Indonesian Independence Day)? --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See also

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