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This week's article for improvement (week 5, 2015)

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The opening of the Beethoven Symphony No. 5, a famous symphony.
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Symphony

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Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/delete

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Resolved

Technical13, you have been using Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure/delete and similar templates to track the old RfDs that need closing. You've been invoking them with {{/delete….}}. However, this is a problem. The requests for closure list is transcluded to the Admin's notice board, where it appeared as red links until I created redirects at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/delete. These template calls will break again when the post is archived. You might need to consider a different solution to handling this. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 16:02, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please remove me from your spam list

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I have certainly never given you permission to add me to a list for religious spam, let alone to misuse the massmessage function to do so. Please remove me from your spam list, and I would strongly suggest you consider deleting it altogether. Mogism (talk) 20:02, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Mogism: - it's not "religious spam" - it's a holiday message. Delete it, move on, and play Grinch somewhere else. It was a very kind gesture. Dusti*Let's talk!* 20:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dusti, I agree with Mogism that this might not be an entirely appropriate use of Mass message sender (although it isn't misuse either). Removing you from this list would have resulted in you automatically being readded and receiving another Happy holidays next year, which is what I was trying to explain and why I even fixed it for you so that you wouldn't receive another message by deactivating your name. You insisted on re-adding yourself it seemed. Either way, since I was so unimpressed with how mms preformed in sending out the message, I've had the list deleted and have decided to write a WikiLove add-on script that will build a list of users based on a set of criteria and send out a set of happy holidays messages that meet a certain criteria. There will be no-opt out for this function, and all messages will be from the user that sends them instead of a bot account adding the "personal feeling" that people seem to mostly be complaining about. I hope you both have a wonderful new year and happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonal Greetings

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Thanks for the good wishes! Same to you! How are things these days? Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Archiveme

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I reverted your edit - it's making the Template:Admin dashboard a huge list of single pages - suggest poll all these pages into a new category and just add that category to the dashboard. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 6, 2015)

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Freeze dried coffee, an example of the application of food science
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Template:Weather box

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Can you take a look at Template:Weather box and see if some of the problems can be fixed. It's not obvious what they are from the example used there so if you look at Cambridge Bay#Climate it's easier to see. Where the C figure converts to a whole number in F the .0 is dropped. Look at "Record high °C (°F)" for April which should be 6.1 (43.0). Then at January for "Precipitation mm (inches)" some of the inches are being given to three decimal places. They should all be at two decimal places for inches (U.S. standard) and one for mm or cm. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 13:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm afraid that since that table is made with Module:WeatherBox, and I've little clue when it comes to Lua, I'm not going to be of much use to help you fix it. I'll also note that the table isn't HTML5 compliant since it uses the height= attribute which has been deprecated in favor of css (note for my Lua (talk page stalker)s). I'd be happy to take a closer look at the module tonight or tomorrow and see if I can't figure it out (I've dabbled, but have little confidence in my ability to actually fix anything in Lua) if no-one else beats me to it. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:40, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Not a problem. It's been that way for a long time. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 21:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An entire parameter for sections?

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Hi.

{{Please see|Article#Section}} or {{Please see|location=Article#section}} would do it. Why an entire new parameter?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Because there wasn't one, and I was going to add an option to set it as a piped link (for when the page and section title are REALLLLLLY long). Does it hurt anything? The new parameter didn't break the ability to do it the other way. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As a side note, your signature is in violation of WP:SIGAPP bullet 2, please fix it. Thanks. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Requires a lot of needless extra typing. I wouldn't use the template directly at all if Twinkle has support for posing TBs like this on project talk pages (it's limited to user talk pages). — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright. It doesn't seem like a good idea from where I am standing but let's see what happens.
In addition my signature is:

Codename Lisa (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

It is not customized. If you are talking about the <br /> right after "Best regards", I add it out of my own volition. It is very hypocritical to make "Best regards" written automatically. If one means it, one must type it every single time.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've restored my change and added the ability to make it a piped link with that information. The new parameters have been documented, and I'm guessing most people will never know that option exists and it will be likely only a handful of editors that use it.
I apologize for assuming it was part of your signature, that is how it appears. It would be an interesting discussion, but I'm assuming that it doesn't matter if the <br /> is part of your signature or added manually, it is still a policy violation and shouldn't be done. Perhaps getting in the habit of typing Best regards; ~~~~ would be more appropriate? Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • SIGAPP applies to signature customization only because it is an extremely bad idea to have an arbitrary line break everywhere, one that has huge potential repercussions. But I see nothing wrong with consciously inserting a line break where common sense does not bar or requires.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 14:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Exempt project cats

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Xfr'd from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates#Request

I cheated by writing a blurp of disposable .js code that opened all of the pages 10 at a time in new tabs in my browser with ?action=purge&forcelinkupdate=true appended to the end. It did 10 at a time, waited 30 seconds in between starting each set, and closed sets after two minutes. Naming-convention policy applies to content cats, which these aren't. As for where I got that idea, Pages that link to "Template:Wikipedia category" in namespace "category" has things like Category:Random Pages Tests which has been around since 13:35, August 21, 2005.‎ — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 23:54, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, okay, it looks as though you come by the idea honestly . I'm taking a break and when I come back, I hope you can show me a policy or guideline that provides the exemption for project cats. Just because a cat does not follow naming-convention policy for ten years doesn't make it right, now does it? Also, did you note that the particular cat in question is actually an article category and not a project category? All of its entries are in mainspace. That's allowed as long as the maint. cat is hidden. – Paine  00:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving large user talk pages

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Hello Technical 13. I saw your request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 117#Talk page size to close the open RfC. I was thinking about closing that, but there is one idea to consider first. I suggest that you might cautiously start to archive some of those, assuming you find these criteria reasonable:

  1. Start with users who have not edited Wikipedia for three months or more
  2. Begin with pages where the user has already created at least one numbered archive
  3. Archive the talk page into the next sequential number
  4. If the talk page contains any automated newsletters like the Signpost, unsubscribe the person from those newsletters
  5. Leave a note for the user about what you did.

If you believe these steps are OK, I'd suggest beginning with a few of those pages and wait to see if there is any reaction. Consider User talk:Fabregas0414. They have not edited since 21 July 2014. Most of their talk page consists of automated newsletters. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:20, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One Click Archiver Bug

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This was reported to me by a fellow editor after I used OCA.

Here are the diffs of what was removed


This is the content that was put into the archive https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShooting_of_Michael_Brown%2FArchive_25&diff=641119532&oldid=641027217

I am unsure why this breaks/fixes things, but adding an extra line break fixes the archived version (view the page before and after. In the before the TOC is screwed up, and the headers do not appear correctly for the archived sections) . https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Shooting_of_Michael_Brown/Archive_25&diff=641139872&oldid=641119532 Gaijin42 (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Gaijin42, I believe the issue you have reported is fixed in Technical 13's (Original by Equazcion) OneClickArchiver (Original) script. You are using the historic version of the script which does not address this issue. In order to use the new version of the script you will need to replace:
importScript('User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver.js]]
with: {{subst:Iusc|User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver.js|User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver}} in your common.js. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Put {{subst:Iusc|User:Technical_13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver.js}} instead. You forgot to put "User:" in it. Anyhow, good script. Faizan 21:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for the substing help! Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AfC

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Hi. I know it's a bit old now but I think all members of AfC need to be a bit more cautious when encouraging individual users to participate in backlog drives. I'm reverting on average one addition to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants every week or so, so obviously the instructions there are not working. I went to a lot of trouble to get those criteria introduced but I'm at loss to see how we can insist on them more thoroughly without being bitey. I might strat an RfC on an idea I have that may work, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:28, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Kudpung, that's because my proposal to protect Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) with WP:PINKLOCK or WP:REDLOCK was rejected by the AfC community, as was my proposal for an abuse filter to make sure that only editors with 500 edits and 90 days experience (per the requirements) can edit that page. There is a clique of editors who have taken OWNership of AfC and no-one else can get a word in or do anything without their approval. I've all but given up at this point on trying to make any progress. I have a large scale project planned to create a mw:Extension:GuidedTour to replace the existing WP:RA and WP:AFC processes and NPP may even be interested in this idea of mine. I've hinted at it many times, and I just need to get a prototype put together on testwiki before I can go any further with the idea. I'm not worried about it being rejected by the community here because I plan on using it on another project where I'm a steward and collaborator on the hosting for. Anyways, I'm sure you understand my frustration because I believe I've seen you have similar frustrations. Happy editing. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:44, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I expect you've noticed how I and at least one other admin 'dinosaur' have practically stopped participating in discussions on reform of AfC - and for those reasons. In contrast, there's nothing wrong with the NPP system, in fact it's a brilliant piece of engineering. It was created for us by the WMF largely under pressure from me with the help of a very small group of others. At no time however, did we claim ownership of it - that was done by a junior part-time employee who was later allocated to our work group to be simply a coordinator between the Foundation's devs and the volunteers. He went on to publicly take the credit for the whole initiative. We were shocked at this WMF 'usurpation' but we had got the software we wanted so we didn't complain much. The only downside to NPP is that in spite of being by far the most important new-article filter of all, totally ironically it has no recommended levels of experience for patrollers at all, no work group, no mother project, and no interction whasoever between the individual patrollers. That's why it's often called the lonliest maintenance corner of Wikipedia - and that's why the qualty of rewiewing there is pretty awful, and has a backlog of over ten thousand pages. So we're still stuck with a lovely suite of tools and very few users with sufficient clue to use them. AfC on the other hand, although it has the 'Draft' namspace (which BTW, I also pioneered) has an incomprehensible mess of script which is a constant work in progress, people who are battling for barnstars, and some who with the best will in the world can't discuss things calmly.
The best solution would be to merge AfC drafts into the New Pages Feed, add the AfC Helper Script features to the Curation Toolbar, and create a software defined new user group for the reviewers. I've had several real life discussions at various venues with senior Foundation staff who all agree in principle that it is technically feasible and that it might ultimately be the best solution rather than reinventing a wheel for AfC which has simply become more of a battle ground for competing programmers than an essential task to be done. Note that probably because there is no collaborative project surrounding NPP, it doesn't play silly stick-and-carrot games of backlog drives. Such initiatives IMHO would only invite more of the wrong people and reduce the quality even further. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Episode list

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I have reactivated a request at Module talk:Episode list with which you've had involvement. I realise that you're not comfortable with Lua, but the recent change there is causing problems in hundreds, possibly thousands, of articles and requires a quick resolution. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Membership top icons

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Category:Membership top icons, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 21:23, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Admin dashboard

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Any idea why Template:Admin dashboard/rfarfp, Template:Admin dashboard/footer, & Template:Documentation are only showing as links rather than transcluding? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Callanecc, I'm guessing that something above them has a major backlog that needs to be trimmed down or some archiving that needs to be done. This happens everytime one of those pages gets too big. It's actually on my todo list to create a toollabs replacement for {{Admin dashboard}} (which is why I added the wrapper div the other day) to reduce these issues being an issue. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I thought it might have been something to do with size. That sounds like a great idea! Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:26, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

please help

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can you resolve the Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#please_help issue by you doing edits to correct templates/compositions as you proposed there becuase i dont know how so can you please help Dannis243 (talk) 12:30, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dannis243: you are WP:FORUMSHOPPING again. It will do you no good at all to endlessly post in different places - various people have already given several different replies, and it is difficult for us to keep track of who has said what, and where. I have already directed you to WP:MULTI: please take note of what it says. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:14, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sorry, Dannis243, I don't have time to take on this project at this point in time. My priority is currently fixing xtools, finishing the next batch of improvements to 1CA, working on the SpamUNblock script that I was asked for quite some time ago by an administrator, fixing my edit counting script, and working on developing my closeRfC script for WP:ANRFC. I honestly just have way too many projects right now. I suggest that you continue your discussion on the main forum and stop forumshopping as Red has indicated in the post above this one. Good luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Images

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Hi Technical 13! I was wondering how you get the images on your user page. Like the trout, auto patrolled rights, Mass Message, Account creator rights, Template editor rights, & all the others that you have up there. Please place {{ping|2teach4ever}} below to notify me! Have a nice day! Thanks, †2†ťəäçħ†4†ӛṿəř 20:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC) 17:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Never mind. I figured out how to do it. †2†ťəäçħ†4†ӛṿəř 20:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

YGM

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YGM. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist# Wilayats of ISIL

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I'm back again. I got distracted by the weatherbox and forgot the real reason I came here. Is MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist# Wilayats of ISIL doable. See this for a bit of background. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 08:24, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Based on the list, the best way to go about this is to blacklist .*ISIL.* <casesensitive |errmsg=titleblacklist-custom-ISIL> #See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#What_should_be_done_for_pro-ISIL_Wilayat_type_articles.3F since most of them have .*(ISIL) appended to the end, but there are a couple that have ISIL without the (). The question is, are there any valid uses for ISIL elsewhere? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:41, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(by talk page stalker) Do ISIL & ISIL (disambiguation) count? – Paine 
One of the requesters here. The technicalities of blacklist are beyond me, but creating a page like Military of ISIL or War crimes by ISIL needs to be ok. It is the combination of Wilayat+ISIL that is the big problem. Thanks Legacypac (talk) 05:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then .*Wilayat.*ISIL.* <casesensitive |errmsg=titleblacklist-custom-ISIL> #See What should be done for pro-ISIL Wilayat type articles?. and then another for .*Wilayet.*Islamic State.* - is that ok? Legacypac (talk) 16:53, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OCA idea

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I was archiving Joan Jett's talk page and after seeing the number of clicks/edits which seems excessive, so how hard would it be to 1). Add a check box next to the section archive link to select one or more sections. 2). Add a link that (maybe) floats above the first section, named something like "Archive batch" that would archive all sections selected via the check box ? Just an idea Mlpearc (open channel) 17:07, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Being able to archive multiple sections simultaneously is actually already on the todo list. It's going to be a little while before I can get to that though. I need to finish and push live the ability to respect maxarchivesize first. I also need to squash the bug of it not archiving the section that it is suppose to be archiving.
The reason that happens is because currently the script gets the content of the section (by section number) to be archived, append that section to the archive, and then does a section edit returning a blank section to that section number. What is happening is if a section above it is archived or added between when the page loads and the archival takes place, then the number is wrong and it archives the wrong section.
What I need to do is have it get the content of the section to be archived, append that content to the archive, get the content of the whole page, strip the content of that section from the content of the whole page, then post and edit to the whole page back at once.
Once I get that fix in place, then it won't be too hard to add the checkboxes and have the script gather the content of multiple sections and do them all in one shot. I was planning on adding the checkboxes and just using the existing |Archive link to carry out the action. In order to add this functionality, I need to make some fairly substantial changes to how the core of the script for how it handles the archiving, and that's going to take a little time (especially where I'm spread so thin with 3 other scripts I'm working on and trying to fix the xtools memory leak that keeps causing it to crash, which is my current priority. :) OneClickArchiver's code is on GitHub if you want to submit a pull request and work on some of that. :) Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Replied in IRC. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question about the auto-archiver

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Two questions I was hoping you could answer about the auto-archiver

  1. Is there any way to make "off" be the default? I change it in the drop down menu, and it stays off for that session, but then it comes back when I leave the page and come back to it.
  2. The archiver wants to archive everything in Archive 3 but I have 5 archives. Is there a way to set the archive number?

Your help will be much appreciated. Atsme☯Consult 02:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm guessing you are using Google Chrome without knowing your userAgent string. This is a known bug for Chrome, and I haven't found a workaround or hack for it yet. This leaves you with two options, (i) use another browser that doesn't have issues with knowing if something is visible or not or (ii) wait for Google to fix Chrome. As for your other question. OneClickArchiver archives everything into whatever archive your |counter= is set at. If it is always archiving to Archive 3 and you want it to archive to Archive 5, then change |counter=3 to |counter=5. Happy archiving! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 03:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thx - I'm using Safari v 8.02 on a Mac - 10.10.1 Yosemite Atsme☯Consult 01:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 7, 2015)

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Empire Field, stadium made with temporary structures, cheaper than permanent.
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Stadium

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My Signature

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Do you like my new signature?—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 18:33, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

File:CP678 new sig ss.png

What I notice is that it contains unbalanced HTML tags: both of the <span> are unclosed. In addition, there are backslashes in the second and third color: that probably shouldn't be there. Some browsers will ignore them, but you can't rely on that. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They've been omitted because MW automatically fixes that allowing me to reduce char count. As for the backslashes, MW splits my code into 3 lines which causes disruption. The backslash stops that.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 22:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is very bad practice. It is HTML Tidy doing this, but you should never rely on it. There are situations where Tidy does not work and that will cause your signature to result in malformed pages. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 23:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Request for Interaction ban with Technical13. Thank you. Hasteur (talk) 14:12, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal Blocker User Group

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Hello Technical13, I've been highly interested in User:Jackmcbarn's original idea about a vandal blocker/stopper/fighter user group since they originally had this idea around 2 months back at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 15#New "vandal stopper" user group. There was a similar need like this for those users who wanted to work with protected templates and modules which ultimately lead to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Template editor user right and finally created the template editor user right for them. And today it is highly useful for those people who do not want to be admins and just want to work in their area of interest. I would also highly appreciate if you and/or someone else could help me draft an RfC outlining its full procedure and process through which we can get the consensus for establishing this user right as well. Regards. TheGeneralUser (talk) 22:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • TheGeneralUser, is there a centralized discussion for this topic someplace? I see you've posted this on at least few user's talk pages that I watch, and in order to get everyone on the same page, I suggest creating a central location for discussion of the topic. When you choose one, I'll be happy to comment there. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 23:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

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I don't think I'll be able to add content to any of these articles (too far from my expertise or interest) but I'd be happy to copyedit Reisman once it's more developed. But for the moment there aren't even sources, and I can't really tell what he's supposed to be notable for. Ping me when you're further along. Thanks for helping pull me out of the ANI swamp. What planet is he from, anyway? EEng (talk) 03:00, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help With Tables/Templates

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Yesterday, I was RetroGamer on the IRC chat. I have finished creating a sample to show you the type of table I am working on. It is here. Thanks for helping yesterday. --Donkey Kong Fanatic (talk) 14:37, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Font tags spotted in the wild

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See Talk:87th Academy Awards#Changed list for accessibility. User Lugnuts has font tags in their sig. Sic 'em! Hey, you could create a user subpage where people could post these usernames. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:39, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • *sigh* As much as bad coding is a pet peeve of mine, I'm not the signature police. You are more than welcome to ask the user to change their signature yourself, and you are more than welcome to use {{subst:User:Technical 13/Templates/badsig}} to make it easier to do so. I'm more than happy to help you with them if you find one that is really long and you're struggling to keep it within 255 characters or if you find them doing something you've never seen before that isn't listed on the HTML element page or there isn't a replacement for on the WP:HTML5 page. I believe I've requested Lugnuts to change their signature before, and I believe they were not interested. So, unless you want to make a big stink about it someplace, just let it be until WP:FLOW gets here and everyone's custom signature goes away.  :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:50, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If Flow will arrive before browsers drop their font tag support, "let it be" would appear to be the wisest approach (and in fact I don't see a problem to begin with). I wasn't aware that was the case. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can make no assertion as to exactly when FLOW will arrive. It may be a few months, it may be a few years, or the community could reject it like so many other things the WMF tries to offer lately (there's some bad blood there somewhere and lines are clearly drawn between foundation staff and some of the members of the various communities they host and serve code for) in which case it could be never. There are so many instances of bad code out there by user's who don't know it is bad and would be more than happy to change it if asked nicely, that I don't find it worth my time to make any more fuss at this time when I find users that don't want to comply with the policy unless there is a real issue. Using deprecated code isn't breaking anything today (tomorrow is a different story, and we won't know until it gets here), so I figure that I'll try to get as many people updated as are willing to update and the rest can be forced to comply later when things break. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 20:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okalie dokalie! ―Mandruss ☎ 20:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since you requested updates

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Along with the rest of the over-thread, your comments/questions at ANI have apparently now been archived. Admin still on break. Softlavender (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Manhattan

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Unblock request

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Technical 13/2015 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Guerillero improperly blocked me for reverting the disruptive behavior of an involved editor who closed a discussion he was specifically told not to revert and starting a discussion on WP:ANI#User:Hasteur disruptive behavior. I consider this block highly improper and am requesting an unblock to continue discussions on ANI where it is appropriate. Thank you. — Technical 13 (e • t • c) 01:45, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

The basis of your unblock request seems to be that due to the involvement in the discussion by the person "closing" the debate the edits were vandalism and thus exempt from our edit warring policies. I suggest you look at Wikipedia:Vandalism#Disruptive_editing_or_stubbornness for a clarification on how this was not vandalism. What is more you reverted the close of Mdann52 first. Also you reverted Redrose64 as well which is not addressed by your involved defense. Also you were involved in the same discussion and thus have as much of a conflict of interest returning a close as the other editor did removing it. This is edit warring plain and simple and I agree with the block and the removal of rollback. Relevant links: [1][2][3][4] Chillum 03:43, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Blocked

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I have blocked you for 48 hours and pulled your Rollback for edit warring at Wikipedia:Bot owners' noticeboard. --Guerillero (talk · contribs) 01:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Guerillero please see my request above. There was no edit warring. There was an enforcement of xaosflux's direct instruction to Hasteur to not close that section. This was done using the "undo" feature, and not the rollback right. Also, there was a discussion immediately started at ANI about the issue, which degrades any claims that you might make that this was intended to prevent me from edit warring or being disruptive. Thank you for this consideration. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 01:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: I commented on this at ANI (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Hasteur_disruptive_behavior.). — xaosflux Talk 03:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, I saw your comment and got the ping. I'm wondering why Hasteur still hasn't been blocked for his disruptive behaviour for which my original report on ANI was about and why I'm still not unblocked so I can discuss it directly on ANI myself. I even went so far as to go directly to IRC to request someone else to post the ANI notice on Hasteur's talk page as he has requested I never comment on his talk page and as a show of good faith towards his requested interaction ban last week on AN. Not sure what more I could have done. I'll note that I've never used the rollback link on any page because I've not had a rollback link for a very long time. I got the rollback right solely for the purpose of being able to try out and use Stiki and Huggle and had removed the rollback links using the js code that I offered in Phab:T48412 via greasemonky in Firefox. I rarely use the default undo edit summary per WP:REVEXP, I type them out. The format I used is the same one I typed out earlier today in my undoing of some edits by Becky Sayles (so it was in my dropdown) and I just had to change the names used. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 03:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Technical 13/2015 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I understand that despite the block being inappropriate to begin with because it violates the blocking policy and was done to be punitive instead of preventative as I had already initiated discussion for the community to continue discussion and deal with the situation on ANI, that reason is always rejected by some administrators so I will go further and say that the block is no longer necessary because I understand that I was blocked for reverting another editor, there was and is no risk that I will be doing so again, I will simply take the issue directly to a noticeboard next time and will continue the existing discussion I started at ANI as is appropriate. To the reviewing administrator, thank you for taking the time to review. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 04:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accept reason:

The point of a short-term block is to give you time to cool off. You clearly are not nearly cool enough yet, so take this as an opportunity to stand back and reevaluate your life priorities. Shii (tock) 08:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Another user has pointed out that I have this completely wrong. Since you won't be doing this again, that's all that is necessary to unblock you. Shii (tock) 10:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

T13, take a breather, accept that it was edit-warring—however good you believe your intentions might have been. Yes, taking it to the noticeboard, or even just pinging other editors would be a more effective way forward if something similar happens again. —Sladen (talk) 04:37, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for stopping by Sladen. I've been around long enough to know how this all works, and as I've said in many other discussions on multiple various topics, I take nothing on-wiki personally. I'm as cool as a cucumber right now. I would be happy to accept it was edit warring if others are willing to accept that my reversion of the closing was a reversion of vandalism. As I said, I just wish to continue discussion on the ANI where it is appropriate, and this block has had zero effect except to prevent the expected behavior which is discussion of the issue on the appropriate noticeboard. I've already decided that any future such actions by Hasteur I'm not going to revert and I'm just going to start a discussion on the appropriate forum, or possibly by email to the appropriate committee. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 04:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's only a 48 hour block. Whether you accept it or not, this isn't indefinite: just do something else and get over it. Thr 48 hours will pass by. -- t numbermaniac c 05:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do realize that. It's an inappropriate block, as many have agreed upon, and it is preventing proper discussion at ANI and is thus a disruptive block which is damaging the encyclopedia. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 06:03, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As far as i see at the moment, yes, the rollback was not a proper use of rollback. There's an Undo button for a reason that also allows an edit summary, so proper discussion can be made. Though in terms of the block, i don't see it needed, a warning in my opinion would suffice with proper discussion continuing afterwards before anything was actually done. LorTalk 5:11 pm, Today (UTC+11) I will quickly add that i do support the Rollback rights being given back though, as i believe that they were not warned properly if anything. LorTalk 06:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two things. Firstly, Hasteur's edits are not "obvious vandalism" as cited by point 4 of WP:3RRNO; they're hardly in the same class as "page blanking and adding offensive language", and you've said that he's trying to intentionally cause disruption but I haven't seen evidence of that--he's just stretching WP:IAR a bit thin and failing to AGF, from the looks of it. Also, Wikipedia:Vandalism#Disruptive editing or stubbornness seems to undermine your "vandalism" argument, not support it. If I were you I'd acknowledge these things in your unblock request and promise always to use explanatory edit summaries when reverting non-vandalism. Secondly, I believe what you say about rollback (especially since typing in the text of MediaWiki:Revertpage really isn't that hard; I've seen people do it in order to pretend to be rollbackers) and therefore removing the rollback right doesn't accomplish much. Thirdly, that editnotice has an awful lot of stuff in it (I had to scroll down to get to the edit window) and I'm not convinced all of it is necessary advice--couldn't some of it be moved onto the talk page itself? Fifthly, two days isn't very long. ekips39 06:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the code

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The Special Barnstar
Scripts all working well first time, now at User:Ronhjones/pdcV2.js. Many thanks. I can now see how it works as well. At least I can delete the old version for myself. :-) Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Xtools

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Xtools gives an Internal error. Another problem with Xtools is that, too often, its server is too slow, not just when navigating but even just to show visitors its main page. It seems (tools.)wmflabs.org could use an upgrade. Related: maybe you could discuss with User:MusikAnimal, User:cyberpower678, User:Hedonil, User:Yksin and User:TParis where editors can best leave comments about Xtools to keep related discussions on the same - a single - Talk page. Right now they are scattered over various Talk pages. You could all add a message to your Talk pages to point Xtools users in the right direction (a page on wikitech.wikimedia.org or en.wp). --82.136.210.153 (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We've just deployed the edit counter onto a new branch on toollabs. With the edit counter now running on tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec, it should run a lot faster.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 13:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 8, 2015)

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Legacy JavaScript notice on Meta

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Hi. I got your notice about deprecated JavaScript in my common.js file on the Meta site.

Can you recheck this page and confirm that I have (or have not) satisfactorily fixed the problems you noted?

And should I also make the same sorts of changes to my JavaScript pages here on the English Wikipedia? — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 02:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Please take {{Editrequest}} away from all 253 pages, as I don't think it requires sysop's action (just that user). — Revi 05:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • -revi, a good majority of those editors are no longer active, and the only other editors that can fix the problem are administrators. I'll be working on making this less aggressive today once I finish up with the current requests for help by half a dozen editors who saw the message and needed some help. I plan on creating a template that I will replace the {{Editrequest}} with that will still place them in the sub-category which can go in the edit request category. Then, unless the template is marked as done or disabled in the normal way, it will place all talk pages for scripts without any activity back in the protected edit request category after three months as it will be evident that those users are inactive. Give me to the end of the days and what your asking for should be addressed. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Y'know, you might want to leave a message on users' talk pages, rather than just on the talk pages of the scripts; I happen to have them on my "email me" watchlist, and so was notified, but such was not always the case. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:38, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Writ Keeper, I've gotten quite a few mentions from the discussions, requests on my talk pages (on various projects, I'm also currently working on this on Meta, Commons, and MediaWiki wiki as well), and via email. Once those settle down, if Meta:Steward requests/Global permissions#Global editinterface for Technical 13 goes through I'll go through and clean up the rest myself. The lack of posts directly on the user's talk pages is actually providing a buffer that is keeping too many requests for help updating from coming in all at once. Thanks for stopping by and mentioning it though! Happy coding! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Um. I don't know about anyone else, but I would be extremely uncomfortable with anyone editing my scripts without checking with me first. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 07:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • As I commented on the discussion on Meta, that was the reason for the notification on each script's talk page. Those that would be uncomfortable would be watching their script pages (such as yourself and I) and would have gotten the notifications, the rest can be assumed are much less technically inclined and would rather have all scripts be a check-box on a preferences page and never have to deal with them except to turn them on or off. That's my take on it anyways, and some of these scripts haven't been maintained in years despite having a reasonable rate of usage and need to be fixed by someone. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:58, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hear you

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About this: I hear you. I've been in that place before, and I don't enjoy it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A proofreading issue with X! Edit counter

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I love that edit counter. But at some point in making translated versions, the German "Artikel" was left in the English version for all instances of "Article" space. I picked you to point this out to - please pass it on to someone else if you like. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I actually noticed this the other day myself. It was added to the bottom of my list of things to fix as getting the tools stable so it doesn't keep locking up and crashing is the current focus. It will certainly be addressed before long though, and thank you for the written reminder. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Trailer Trash is a US derogatory term for poor people living in trailers or caravans. It appears that these trailer trash happen to live on a trailer park.
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additional comment

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Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Not_a_good_unblock NE Ent 00:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interaction ban

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Hi. I pinged you at ANI, but just to make sure you don't miss it. Because both you and Hasteur have at various points requested a mutual interaction ban, I didn't see a point to further discussion, and enacted it. Please read WP:Interaction ban and make sure you don't accidentally violate anything. In general, though, the underying philosophy is: "If the other person is doing something "wrong", it is not your problem anymore. Sooner or later, someone else will notice. If they don't, it's probably not as important as you think, so it is still not your problem anymore". So take their talk page off your watchlist, don't mention or refer to them directly or indirectly, ignore their bot requests, etc., and you should both be much happier. Do not contact an admin privately if you think they're doing something "wrong", because they are not your problem anymore.

There is, unfortunately, some uncertainty among different editors about whether subjects of an interaction ban should report violations of the interaction ban by the other via email, or on-wiki. To be honest, I would suggest not reporting them yourself; if it's big enough to matter, surely someone else will notice. But if that isn't acceptable to you, I suggest privately contacting someone experienced whom you trust to see if they agree it's a violation, and only if they agree, publicly requesting someone do something about it at ANI. That way you've gotten a little feedback beforehand to reduce the chance of a boomerang.

Let me know if you have questions. I hope this results in both of you being happier. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It would use a useful feature, one you might be able to code, to have silent moderation on Wikipedia. Each user could have a file with a list of users they want to ignore, and any edits by those users would magically disappear from the watchlist and from the notices/pings list. This would make it much easier to ignore somebody. Jehochman Talk 18:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've seen forum-type web sites with an "ignore" feature. If anyone ever codes one for WP, I might just want to know about it for myself, although it would probably be a shorter list if I ignored everyone except those on a "don't ignore" list. I'd probably be on your ignore list, though, wouldn't I Jehochman? :) --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:36, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all! Your comments are consistently interesting, insightful, or entertaining, even though I might not agree with some of them. Jehochman Talk 19:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for stopping by. I've removed myself from WP:AfC to avoid issues. While your "ignore" feature is an interesting idea and I could certainly code such a thing, I'm afraid that it would be a catch-22. If you can't see the user anymore, you can't know if you are responding to a topic in which they are involved and by doing so put yourself at risk if creating drama and getting yourself in trouble. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 20:58, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Revamped infobox template with new graphics

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T13, are you available to help with the technical and design aspects of this effort: [5], [6], [7]. I suspect the coding for the new parameters will be simple. The upgraded graphics may or may not take some time, depending on your versatility with those aspects of coding. When done, I want the revamped version to be much more refined, and to employ a more sophisticated graphic design. Please advise as to your availability over the next 7 to 10 days. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • How much coding is there to actually do though? I don't expect there to be much. I'll take a closer look the start of next week (I've had/got people visiting everyday since Thursday/Sunday for my birthday on the 15th, so I'm a tad distracted). :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 23:02, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for moving this thread. I've been operating remotely the last several days, and I did not realize I was in your 2013 talk page archive until I saved my post. Then I didn't have enough bandwidth to correct it. Aggravating. FYI, I'm home now.
Regarding the template, I need to have a very good sandbox mock-up ready to present in about 10 to 14 days, and there will probably be some back-and-forth between the conceptualist (me) and the coder (you) before the revamped template is ready to present to WP:CFB members for reaction. I'll ping you next Monday or Tuesday after your house guests have departed. Thanks for volunteering -- this is one of the "projects" I had in mind when I pinged you last October about future help. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey, T13, following up, as promised. Can you take a look at this template and the suggestions for parameters changes and revamped graphics and design, and report back? I'm trying to maintain critical interest moving forward regarding the attention of 20+ editors, and I need to show some progress to keep that attention focused. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, Dirtlawyer1, there are a couple testcases and a base template with the current template adapted to the revised parameter names. Getting some breakfast but will add other parameters after that. Any specific layout for them? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:52, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, T13. The updated graphics and design ideas are listed here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dirtlawyer1, I have a question for you. How would you feel about bringing Sardanaphalus in to help on this project? They've recently had some issues, but I've observed them and would like to give them a chance to improve the skills they lack. I see the potential to be a valuable template editor, and would like to give them a chance to demonstrate it. I'd monitor their changes and since I'd be spending the time to make the changes anyways, it might actually save me more time than I spend reviewing changes. If you're opposed, that's fine, and I thought it would be best to see what you thought about the idea instead of just doing it.  :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • T13, I anticipate there will be a measure of controversy associated with this revamped template before we are done. I need an experienced coder who is not only able to create the simplest, most elegant, most current consensus code, but I also need a knowledgeable and articulate coder who can explain why things were coded the way they were. Before we are done, I fully expect that Freitjes will engage with the revised template effort, and there will be one or more editors who will question why we can't do something more to their liking. There is going to be a political element to this before we're done-- probably not the best learning experience for the new guy. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Any progress to report, Boss? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ClueBot III archiving of WP:ANRFC

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Hi Technical 13. ClueBot III archived an unclosed discussion from WP:ANRFC. Would you look into how to fix this? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Cunard: ClueBot III does not check for whether a discussion is closed or not; it goes by the length of time since the last edit to the thread. For threads on Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure, this is 40 days. 27 December plus 40 days is 6 February. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually it's marked as done or 40 days untouched. I'm not sure where the time til archive came from but I think the idea behind it was that if a discussion has been sitting around that long without being touched at all that is probably because it's not something that officially needs to be closed. If you disagree you may unarchive and mark it as {{DNAU}} which is respected by Cluebot, Miszabot, and OneClickArchiver. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 23:55, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Archive basics

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Hi T13, I think the red error message at the top of User talk:P-123 might have something to do with your latest edit to Template:Archive basics. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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There are many backup dancers accompanying the dances of the main dancer.
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Reference Errors on 31 January

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Template:Please see

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Hi.

Your mannerism has certainly gone downhill a lot; but for now, I've sandboxed revision #644940455 in Template:Please see/sandbox for discussions regarding its rendering errors.

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RfC - Helper Script access

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An RfC has been opened at RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script. You are invited to comment. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question about user interface

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Hi Technical. Sometime ago I went to my preferences and chose from the menu to use icons instead of actual words for certain items on my toolbar. So, for example, my watchlist became a star symbol, my talkpage became two square caption symbols and my contributions were available from a dropdown menu under my username to the upper right of the display. A few days ago all this disappeared and I got back into the default interface with watchlist, contribs, etc. described in words without symbols or dropdown menu. I checked again my preferences to see if I could find the setting that disappeared but I couldn't locate it. Do you have any suggestions on how to recover these settings? Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr.K.: Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 133#New menu, Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 133#Compact Personal Toolbar beta removed, Wikipedia:Help desk#User dropbox and mw:Talk:Compact Personal Bar. Pretty sure I saw comments elsewhere. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Redrose64: Thank you very much Redrose64. Seeing it in your links above, now I recall it was called "Compact Personal Toolbar". I see it was discontinued, as I suspected. I'll try the replacement alternatives. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:29, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Technical 13: You said "User preferences can be offered as well if some people would prefer that the view history was always nested in the menu.", but I cannot find where. I want it nested in the "Page" dropdown, because as a standalone tab it sometimes makes my tabs show on two rows which is ugly and very dysfunctional. Can you help? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 17:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mail call

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Hello, Technical 13/2015. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Hey. I just tried to send you an email through the "Email this user" function, and I received an error message instead of the copy of the email that I sent. Please let me know if you received it or not -- the Wikimedia email function, as I'm sure you know, has been fucking up for months. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Negative. No email received and I have a junk Gmail account to reduce the issues, which may be "fixed" before too much longer (I've been following the Phab ticket on the issue and pushing it along). I'll see if I can dig up one of your old emails in a bit and send a hi you can reply to directly. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 00:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Got your email -- thank you, sir. I responded to you by email from my primary personal (non-business) account. Let's talk that way; should help us communicate faster. If it will help as we work our way through the down-and-dirty design issues, I am completely amenable to talking by phone in the evenings, too. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up

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[8] --NeilN talk to me 04:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unsigned ping recovery

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I'm aware that if one forgets to sign a talk space comment containing a ping, no notification occurs. I want to know what my options are at that point; whether it would work to modify the post or whether it's necessary to add a new one containing another ping. Do you know for 100% absolute certain? If not, would you participate in a test with me to find out? ―Mandruss ☎ 10:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Modifying the post doesn't normally work, unless you add the link that you forgot and another signature, leaving the first one alone. If you merely add the link, this won't trigger a notification; and even if you do this whilst removing the old signature and re-signing, it still won't trigger, because the notifications system looks at a diff: all that it will see (besides that new link) is a slightly-altered timestamp. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:43, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
unless you add the link that you forgot - In the scenario I described, I didn't forget any link, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. I forgot the signature. ―Mandruss ☎ 12:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The essential thing is that the link to the other person's home page and your signature need to go on with the same edit. Putting them on separately - in either order - won't work. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Perhaps there is still hope for a response from the person to whom I directed the question. If I wanted to ask the question publicly I would have asked it at WP:Help desk. ―Mandruss ☎ 17:02, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mandruss, I don't appreciate WP:INCIVILity on my talk page. Please, do not do it again. I'm actually not entirely sure why you chose to ask me here on my talk page instead of WP:VPT (which would have been a better place to ask than WP:HD for example), but since you're here, Red is exactly correct. Make sure the ping is correct (I'd personally change the template used to activate the ping) and add your signature. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 00:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The new-editor retention team on the job!

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[9] He's sorry, but not sorry enough to say anything to the user he blocked, of course. Welcome to the club, BTW. EEng (talk) 05:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like the Energizer Bunny, he keeps going, and going, and going... I think it was you who said he simply doesn't understand the standard of behavior expected of admins. EEng (talk) 12:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC) I feel so bad for Tryptofish.[reply]

  • EEng, I'm sure you've read my comments in the linked discussion where they asked him to undo his close. I think I've made it clear that I am stalking his talk page (which isn't always a bad thing since I reverted some vandalism for him the other day there) and I am a (talk page stalker) on a handful of someone popular pages for where people take their problems. After half a decade, how could he. I am hoping that his comment in the discussion you linked is him acknowledging that a lot has changed in the last five+ years and I hope he realizes that he should probably slow down. We'll see. I'm watching. ;) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, no, I didn't read the deeper discussion. There's really something wrong here. His talk page is littered with people pointing out improprieties in his admin actions -- and he's very quick to archive them. He's clearly aware that his activities are pissing people off, and clearly doesn't care. EEng (talk) 13:21, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Down foo-boo... ;) Give him a little more time for it to sink in. If that doesn't work, the stage will be set to go to ANI and see if the community wants to do anything about it. Give him a little more ROPE and he'll either hang himself or see that we are giving him rope and realize he needs to slow down and improve his CLUE. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:28, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Little Bunny Foo Foo is a perfect summary of what's happening here. EEng (talk) 14:11, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Protections

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Do I take it that the links in my sandbox are all the pages you want downgrading, and that you want them all at TE level? Best, HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) 02:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • HJ Mitchell, most likely, but I would like to confirm the list with Ocaasi first. Jake, see User:HJ Mitchell/Sandbox3 for the list of fully protected TWA pages I could find. Still need to figure out what to do with the script pages in MediaWiki: but I've no time at the moment as I'm overloaded trying to get everything caught up at once from being away from my computer for a week. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, no worries. I'm off to bed since it's nigh 3am here and I should have been in bed hours ago. Just drop me a note when you want me and I'll run Twinkle over them. I don't mind doing more than one batch, I just want to make sure you're happy I'm not downgrading anything I shouldn't be (or accidentally upgrading anything). HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) 02:58, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hey, thanks for putting that list together Technical 13! Yes, HJ Mitchell, that is it! There's really not a single TWA page that needs FE rather than TE, I don't think. Also, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to make mediawiki pages editable by template editors, at least as the userright is currently configured. Cheers, Jake Ocaasi t | c 22:37, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Pages in MediaWiki: space, unlike those in other namespaces, have no "protect" tab. Technically, they're unprotected (if you use a construct like {{PROTECTIONLEVEL:edit|MediaWiki:Aboutsite}}, this returns the empty string - compare {{PROTECTIONLEVEL:edit|Barack Obama}} which returns autoconfirmed); editing of MediaWiki: pages by non-admins is prevented by a different mechanism. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done; 91 protections in 17 seconds! Oh, and I'll delete that sandbox at some point, unless you still have a use for it (in which case I don't mind it hanging around)? T13, for crying out loud please leave my signature alone. HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs) 01:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks HJ Mitchell and feel free to delete that sandbox at your convenience. As for your signature, there is a big red box in my edit notice that explains why I am changing it. I'd be happy to take another stab at making your signature compliant with HTML5 in a way that pleases you if you are interested. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are so many flashing icons and red boxes in that editnotice that my eyes glaze over. And I very much doubt you'll find consensus that markup that works is sufficiently disruptive to justify interfering with another editor's signature. Don't be surprised if a less patient admin swings the banhammer if you do it outside of your own talk page. And even then you're pushing it... HJM 02:09, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
  • You mean markup that doesn't work. As I've shown and explained in other discussions, there are some mobile browsers that drop the contents of things inside of non-compliant markup. Anyways, I have no intention of doing outside of my talk space as I said in a comment above (possibly now archived) I'm not the signature police, have explained that it is a violation of what is now a policy, I do offer my technical abilities whenever I see a signature that offends me and if that user decides they are not interested (as a few have) I let it be either until WP:FLOW gets here and there are no custom sigs anymore at all and it becomes a mute point or until something else happens that pushes HTML5 compliance into more of a spotlight (there has been progress on that front believe it or not). Anyways, happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:29, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Co-op news for December 2014 – Feburary 2015

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Hey Technical 13/2015, it's been a while. The Co-op team has been hard at work during over the winter, so let's get right into what's been happening:

Landing page draft. You know it's a draft when you need to squint at the logo, ha ha.
  • Graphic design work is nearing completion and development work is coming along slowly but surely. The main components of the space, profiles, the landing page, and the mentor landing page have all been built, and we're basically just putting the pieces together. We have close-to-final draft of the landing page, which is currently at User:Slalani/Landing_page, and in the thumbnail to the right. You can check out other components over at User:Slalani if you're curious. Soni, Slalani, and I are working together on some of the front page elements. We've also been doing some testing on test.wikipedia.org for profile building and matching. If you're curious about checking that out, let me know.
  • We've finished up a survey for newer editors to assess their experiences of using existing help spaces (e.g. Reference Desk, Teahouse, IRC, The Wikipedia Adventure) on en.wikipedia. Gabrielm199 is putting together a summary of that survey, and in the meantime, some findings from that survey of 45 newer editors include:
    • On average, editors found contributing to Wikipedia to be easier after using the help space compared to before.
      • However, after using one or more help spaces, only half of editors reported that editing, addressing social challenges, and resolving technical issues were easy or very easy. The other half of editors were either neutral, or reported that these matters were difficult or very difficult.
    • Just under 30% (11 of 38 editors) of newer editors said they probably would have stopped editing entirely had they not received support from the help space they used.
    • Editors frequently reported either 1) that they would not have been learn what they needed without the help space, or 2) That they could have found it, but admitted that it would have been difficult or taken much longer.
  • We will be making one final move of the pilot start date to March 4th, 2015. This is the last move (I promise), because we can't afford to run the pilot any later than that. So there it is: March 4th or bust! But we won't bust, because there are just a few things left on our plate before we can run our pilot successfully. I'll be alerting you about when you will be able to make mentor profiles soon, so when you get a message about that, please take a minute or two to create your profile here (otherwise, you won't get matched to any editors!).

Thanks to all of the new mentors who have joined over the past few months. Big thanks to Missvain to posting about our little project here to the gendergap-l mailing list. I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC) on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.[reply]

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Please comment on WP:AN#Closure review: Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to physically restrict access to the Helper Script

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Xtools down

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Hi Technical 13, I see you are one of the admins on the tools lab associated with the xtools, which do not seem to be functioning tonight. If you have a chance to see what's up, I think a lot of people will appreciate it. Thanks for your assistance. Risker (talk) 01:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for letting me know Risker. I've restarted the -ec and -articleinfo webservices manually and have noticed the main tool has been restarting itself a lot lately. let me know if there is further troubles. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:54, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for your work on this. Seems we all find them really useful; I logged into IRC to see if you might be there, and as I opened the channel, someone else was making the same inquiry. :-) Risker (talk) 03:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Pope Joan

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Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure

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Hey, can you do that archiving thing you've done before? I'd like to see the fruits of my labor. :) Drmies (talk) 03:49, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Co-op: Presentation at Wikimania 2015

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Hey Technical 13/2015. I've put in a submission for a presentation at Wikimania 2015 called Is Two the Magic Number?: The Co-op and New Editor Engagement through Mentorship. I'll be talking about the state of finding help spaces on en.wiki and how our new mentorship space, The Co-op, factors into that picture. Reviewing will begin soon and I'll need your help to be able to present our work. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. If you would be interested in seeing this presentation, whether you are attending or not, please add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal (you do not need to attend Wikimania to express interest in presentations). I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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Co-op: Mentor profiles and final pilot prep

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Hey mentors, two announcements:

  1. You can now make your profile at The Co-op! Please set up your mentor profile here as soon as you are able, as the pilot begins on March 4th. It isn't very involved and should only take a minute. If you need more info about what the different skills mean (e.g. writing, communication), please refer to these descriptions.
  2. Profile creation, invitations, and automated matching of editors, profile creation, that will be coordinated through HostBot and a few gadgets may not be ready for our pilot, and will have to be done manually until they are ready. In preparation for the pilot, please read over these instructions on how we will be manually performing these tasks until the automated components are ready. I, JethroBT drop me a line on behalf of Wikipedia:Co-op.

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This week's article for improvement (week 11, 2015)

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Turkish cuisine
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Cuisine

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Infobox

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Hey. Sorry you got caught up in the block-drama. I've been following it for the last 12 hours, and trying to find a way to comment without being counter-productive. I know how aggravating it can become when you're engaged with a tendentious user who is adept at skirting the rules. Please accept my sympathies, and remember: "Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

That having been said, I desperately need your help with my infobox template project. Can you make time? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dirtlawyer1, okay. I'd be happy to make a sandbox for your infobox. As for the above drama, how would you feel with collaborating on a final plea with the community for action before I go to the arbitration committee as this user has been doing this for over a year now. They've been claiming I have a vendetta against them when I haven't, but their attacks of me have made me feel inclined to allow them their self fulfilling prophecy since it is clear they won't stop. I'm running out of ideas for dealing with the situation. Everyone else seems to be so afraid of standing up for what is right when it comes to him or standing their ground. I'm not that way, I've been bullied much worse than he could possibly bully on here. I'm a father, and as such I object to bullying. I admit, I'm not flawless, but that doesn't excuse his actions either. Anyways. Let me see if I can sandbox your request. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 14:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the last eight months, I've encountered two or three long-term problematic users who each have a block log longer than your arm and have each been in front of Arbcom multiple times. Beware: protect yourself when dealing with such individuals. Long-term problematic users are often the equivalent of jailhouse lawyers; they have more practical experience in dealing with the guidelines and conduct policies than many, if not most, of the administrators who are charged with interpreting and enforcing them. Often, they have learned how to skirt the rules by not definitively violating them, even as they flaunt the spirit if not the letter of the guidelines and policies. When you over-react, you play right into their hands, and provide the exact reaction they are seeking and create the opportunity to get you blocked (or worse). Don't fall into that trap. Get an administrator involved or take it to the drama boards.
That being said, I do need your help in doing what you do best! Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, Dirtlawyer1, there are a couple testcases and a base template with the current template adapted to the revised parameter names. Getting some breakfast but will add other parameters after that. Any specific layout for them? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:52, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, T13. The updated graphics and design ideas are listed here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dirtlawyer1, I have a question for you. How would you feel about bringing Sardanaphalus in to help on this project? They've recently had some issues, but I've observed them and would like to give them a chance to improve the skills they lack. I see the potential to be a valuable template editor, and would like to give them a chance to demonstrate it. I'd monitor their changes and since I'd be spending the time to make the changes anyways, it might actually save me more time than I spend reviewing changes. If you're opposed, that's fine, and I thought it would be best to see what you thought about the idea instead of just doing it.  :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • T13, I anticipate there will be a measure of controversy associated with this revamped template before we are done. I need an experienced coder who is not only able to create the simplest, most elegant, most current consensus code, but I also need a knowledgeable and articulate coder who can explain why things were coded the way they were. Before we are done, I fully expect that Freitjes will engage with the revised template effort, and there will be one or more editors who will question why we can't do something more to their liking. There is going to be a political element to this before we're done-- probably not the best learning experience for the new guy. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:21, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Any progress to report, Boss? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey, T13. Can you make a run at the graphics and colors, as described here: User:Dirtlawyer1/sandbox3? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dirtlawyer1, while I understand parts of it such as the desire to keep the width relatively narrow, I'm not seeing any specific specifications for it will be exactly this or that every time. I think the best way for me to accommodate the design changes is to have you work up a series of test cases and we can work through each one and make them render how the project envisions they should look. You are welcome to watch how I make adjustments and tweeks and make some of your own if I seem to be failing to visualize what you are trying to describe to me, which is entirely possible and likely will happen as I'm not much into sports (well, except for hockey maybe) and as such I don't have the visual vocabulary of things that may seem obvious to those who really enjoy sports. Anyways, the next step is for you to put together some test cases and tell me "this line should be... and that line should be more like... " and visual references are very good in cases where we are trying to similarly produce and effect available in another box. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 00:50, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bumping thread for 3 days. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 19:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Valentine Greets!!!

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Valentine Greets!!!

Hello Technical 13, love is the language of hearts and is the feeling that joins two souls and brings two hearts together in a bond. Taking love to the level of Wikipedia, spread the WikiLove by wishing each other Happy Valentine's Day, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person.
 Sending you a heartfelt and warm love on the eve,
Happy editing,
 - T H (here I am) 12:15, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Valentine Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thank You!

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The Yellow Screwdriver
I hereby give you the Yellow Screwdriver of Saint Vidicon of Cathode to keep you protected. For your extra effort in helping and tech support. Thanks! w.carter-Talk 14:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To properly get to know about Saint Vidicon, you need too Google him. w.carter-Talk 21:52, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Editor's Barnstar
Hi, THANKS FOR INVITATION Serojik91 (talk) 01:31, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 12, 2015)

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Hello, Technical 13.

The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection:

Dinner

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Template:Mailing list member

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Firstly, sorry for taking 6 weeks to get my thoughts together on this. Rather than get all wordy trying to explain my suggestions for your template I've put together a 1 page, 3 template example. User:Bazj/P1 sits on 3 templates of which User:Bazj/T2 is analogous to Mailing list member.

  • T1 provides a consistent section header which would be useful in the inactive project editnotice I'm working on, allowing the list of participants to be consistently linkable... "the project is inactive but the [[{{PAGENAME}}#Participant List|participants]] may be able to help you". It also provides the head of a sortable table which provides all the sortability which was my starting point 6 weeks ago.
  • T2 is a suggested output from Mailing list member, obviously to be expanded upon. I'm assuming that you're getting all your goodness from the back-end of Mailing list member and the on-screen presentation doesn't affect your needs.
  • T3 simply closes the table.
  • P1 also contains the prompt to allow a user to sign up painlessly in a single copy-paste-save.

Would something like that fit in with your plans? Are you aware of any other aspect of managing project participation we ought to consider? Looking forward to your thoughts on the matter. Regards, Bazj (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say, the pages were just created for this discussion, so please feel free to play around with them. Bazj (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Bazj, as the top of my talk page (and all my other pages through template transclusion) says, I'm on a wiki-break of sorts. So, I apologize for any delays in replying to you here. I have looked at your templates, and they do not appear to complete the task that the existing WP:MMS template was designed for (and subsequently turned into a Lua module for). Can you try to briefly explain the goal in your proposed changes? I don't have a lot of time for a WP:TL;DR reply, but if you break up your comments into 3-5 sentence paragraphs with a line break between them, I'll do my best to read as much as I can. Thanks. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

'Archive bottom' question

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Hi Technical 13! I've got a question for you – is the {{Archive bottom}} template supposed to leave an "extra carriage return" at the bottom of archived threads? (I haven't really looked to see if {{Discussion bottom}} does this too or not...) In looking at archived threats at WP:ANI (especially two archived threads in a row), it looks like there's an extra "carriage return space" being left after archived threads like this. Is {{Archive bottom}} supposed to do this? Or is there a minor flaw in {{Archive bottom}}'s template code? I just thought I'd mention this, in case it isn't supposed to do that... Thanks! --IJBall (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • IJBall, can you give me a couple of example diffs? I'd be happy to look in to it for you. I know that archiving threads with Technical 13's (Original by Equazcion) OneClickArchiver (Original) script is set up to prepend {{Clear}} to the top and add a line feed in the bottom to enforce each section displaying as its own section. I'm not sure which templates are currently set up to do what or if that is the intended goal of those templates. Often, if there is consensus to define what the behaviour should be, it is just a matter of moving noinclude or onlyinclude tags to properly delimit what should be transcluded. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, here's a diff – you'll have to scroll all the way down the bottom of the page here, but notice the extra space between the closed "User Editor605 is NOTHERE, long term abuse" thread, and the "Top Hat Trading Limited recreated again" thread closed by this diff. For the record, I suspect that it may just be an issue of moving some 'noinclude' tags within the {{Archive bottom}} code, or something like that. Thanks for looking into this! --IJBall (talk) 19:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Count, again

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I just looked at an editor's Edit Count, they've been here 7 years and the edit count page says they have 414 edits when they clearly have made thousands as I have a script that posts how many edits they've made at the top of their user pages. This is what happened earlier this week, Edit Count was giving incorrect readings and then later led to an error page. Maybe more work is necessary to fix this? Thanks for any help you can provide. Liz (talk · contribs) 18:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The URI you have requested, /xtools/pages/?user=Hawkeye7&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&namespace=all&redirects=none, is not currently serviced. Can we get it going? Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) IIRC there was a discussion at WP:VPT last year about that tool, and it was pointed out that the "Only show edits that are page creations" option at Special:Contributions (which was added in 2013 or 2014) serves a similar purpose. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Did the fact that it doesn't come up at all? Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:38, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I found the following concerning the "Only show edits that are page creations" option: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Tech News: 2014-10; Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Page creator tool; Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Article creation by editor (Page creator tool). --Redrose64 (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also the following, which directly mention the tool in question: Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 120#Articles created; Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 122#New article creator counter; Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 123#Articles created link generates error; Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 123#User contributions: "articles created" feature not working; Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 127#GeoGroupTemplate not working. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well that answers that question: the fact that it doesn't was not overlooked. Anyhow, it seems to be available at here, so the problem is just with the relative URL. Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 13, 2015)

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A antagonist is a character, group of characters, institution, or concept that stands in, or represents, opposition against which the protagonist(s) must contend.
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Antagonist

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I need a favour

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Hello! Please take care of your family first, this is not urgent, no hurry at all. I just wanted to write it while in on it. I volunteered to set up an archiving-thing for another editor, thinking that an ordinary one would do. Turned out they wanted a month/year thing. I found one at the WP page, but I'm not sure at all that I did it all correctly. There was also a very long backlog so I made most of it manually. When/if you have the time, would you be so kind as to check out the code for the archive to see that it's ok. Here is a diff for the page. Much obliged, w.carter-Talk 18:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, I'll look into that. I tried one archiving with the OneClickArchiver but it did not work. I have the MiszaBot-thing on my talk page, guess I can copy that and just change the bot to MiszaBot in the code. (right?) I thought the ClueBot III was somehow incorporated in the template of the A-Box. w.carter-Talk 19:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I read all I could at {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis}} and I found a code to put on the page for the bot. I tried to test archive a section using 1CA, but I only get a message that "No counter was found.... archiving could not be completed". I am at a loss now. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:20, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since you decided to go with ClueBot, 1CA will need an Archive Basics as well. You'll need to be clever in the way you set it up since 1CA hasn't been specifically adapted to do very well with monthly archives. Let me see if I can apply it for you in a way that should mostly work (if kept up with it should archive to the month/year of when the |Archive link is clicked). — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:27, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I didn't want to change bot in the middle of all. Thank you so much for the extra info on the page. It almost worked. It got archived to User talk:Aciram/Archives/2015, so I just moved that to User talk:Aciram/Archives/2015/February. Let's just leave it like that and let the bot do the rest. I very much doubt that anyone will ever use the 1CA again on that page. Thanks again for all your trouble! :) If there is ever anything I can do for you, just holler. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:53, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Sorry about the late reply, things outside the WP has required my undivided attention. Thank you for fixing it, I will check it out it as soon as I need it. Best, w.carter-Talk 09:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did move beta to live this morning, and I did so in a rush because I had been busy and forgotten about it. I did it in such a rush because I had a ride coming to take me to church I didn't even take a moment to remove the "beta" bit from the edit summaries. lol I'll fix that now (and am thankful that I've gotten no complaints about it). Let me know if it works for you. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:39, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Urgent, about OneClickArchiver

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I use OneClickArchiver. When used, the editsummary links to User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver eg here: [10]. Somehow, I am referred to you as a script maintainer (correct me if I'm wrong; it is confusing).

I have an OneClickArchive-click that does not look OK (a bug). It is a pair, of course.

It looks like the section to be transported has disappeared half-way. If true, this is an urgent bug I'd say. But maybe I am missing something. -DePiep (talk) 20:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy note: there is a Redirect in between (distrust the Archive link). -DePiep (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
/* User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver.js */
importScript( 'User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver.js' );// Backlink: [[User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver.js]] ( edit | wlh ) // [[User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver]]
to:
/* OneClickArchiver */
importScript( 'User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver.js' );// Backlink: [[User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver]]
in your common.js page. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 01:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you. That mistake is part of the confusion. Will check & correct manually. (Maybe MfD that page). -DePiep (talk) 08:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Emoticon issue...

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I was hoping you could advise me regarding a problem with emoticons - in fact, it caused me to get an ARB warning, and I can't for the life of me figure out what happened. I will begin with the following dilemma: In Review History [12], when I mouse-over the date of the post prior to my own post, the emoticon doesn't appear in the pop-up box. Beginning with my post forward, it appears on every mouse-over of the date.

  • (cur | prev) 19:06, March 11, 2015‎ A1candidate (talk | contribs)‎ . . (25,540 bytes) (+647)‎ . . (Keep) (undo | thank) AFTER
  • (cur | prev) 18:34, March 11, 2015‎ Atsme (talk | contribs)‎ . . (24,893 bytes) (+1,067)‎ . . (→‎G. Edward Griffin: response to KoA criticism of sources) (undo) AFTER
  • (cur | prev) 17:37, March 11, 2015‎ Kingofaces43 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (23,826 bytes) (-38)‎ . . (→‎G. Edward Griffin: making sure this doesn't mistakenly appear WP:POINTY) (undo | thank) BEFORE

Next - the issue that caused the ARB warn can be seen at here: [13] Very troubling. I'm using a MacBook Pro, Safari v8.03. When I reduced the window size so I could see the open windows behind it, it squished the emoticon panel. I didn't think it was an issue, but it was after all. I also grabbed a selection of the line in the edit history showing how the edit summary was also squished. I think somehow it added random smiley's to the lead title of that section, and also to my original post. Very strange. I never knew what hit me. Your advice will be greatly appreciated. Atsme (talk · contribs) 21:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Okay Atsme, I'm not sure what advice you need. I'd probably advise against using the toolbar to get smileys in the future, especially if you only ever use ({{Smiley}}). What appears to be happening based on the screenshots is that your screen is too narrow so it's wrapping the smiles on the end of the line over to the next line. I guess there is a page someplace where that could be fixed, but I haven't the slightest clue where to start looking. Perhaps post the situation on WP:VPT and see if anyone there knows where that toolbar comes from exactly. If you can find that out, I can certainly help you get it fixed. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, kindly. I will follow your advice, but it's Friday night so there may be a slight delay in getting a round tuit. ;-) Atsme☯Consult 23:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Oh my, I just realized it's Friday the 13th!! stop Wish me luck!! Atsme☯Consult 23:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Technical 13:, would you be so kind as to post your findings on Callanecc's TP here: [14]? It appears my ARB warning revocation hinges on your result because Callan doesn't believe the emojis that preceded the subsection title were added inadvertently on my part even after I provided the evidence. Here is the actual edit showing how the emojis were added - to see the squinched edit summary and how they were added in two different places with an edit from another user in between, you have to click on the diff and open it to a full window: [15]. This is where I removed them from the lede which shows them to be independent of the initial edit, no time stamp: [16] Thank you in advance. Sidebar note: I had a cascade of windows open on my Mac so I could refer to other posts. I simply reduced the size of the top window by dragging the corner up which allowed me to see the windows behind it. After reducing the window size, I didn't pay any mind to the squinched emoji dashboard so when I added the one smiley, the other 3 emojis inadvertently got added to the lede. One click resulted in 4 emojis in different places - one was placed where I intended at the end of my sentence while the other 3 ended up preceding the section title. Really bizarre. Even more bizarre is that I received an ARB warning for emojis on the TP of an article under DS. Why would anyone purposely add 3 emojis before a subsection title anyway? What possible purpose would that serve? It just doesn't make sense. Atsme☯Consult 15:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a screen grab to demonstrate the cascade of windows wherein the edit window I was working on was reduced so I could see the others behind it:

Capture of cascaded windows on Mac

Atsme☯Consult 15:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've commented there. Good luck. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:28, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hotcold and Signpost transclusion

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Hello, the above has now cleared itself. It was a chart that was transcluded into a Signpost article, that was transcluded into a Signpost page, that was transcluded into Signpost, that was... you get the picture. Looks like Old Father Time has fixed it over the weekend. Thanks for the offer of help though. - X201 (talk) 09:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Category:AfD debates relisted 3 or more times

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I see you created Category:AfD debates relisted 3 or more times, presumably some sort of AfD closing script determines if the AfD has been relisted twice before, and adds that category? Just trying to figure out how it works, as I had to remove the category from some discussions that had been closed since January/February. I am sure there is a workable solution, I just want to understand where it is coming from. --kelapstick(bainuu) 15:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OneClickArchviser stalls

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Hi. I clicked the Archiver on my talkpage, but it stalled (it freezed) with this message: 

Retrieving headers...
Archive name counter = 7}} found, retrieving section content... (-1b)
Content retrieved, performing edits...

I note that there is an unexpected "}}" in there. (User:DePiep/common.js). Any ideas? -DePiep (talk) 11:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All fine, thanks. Of course "freezed" is wrong, but "frozen" is a bit toooo common these days/years. Have a nice edit. -DePiep (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Template talk:Afc decline

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Afc decline. Legobot (talk) 00:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This week's article for improvement (week 14, 2015)

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A man garbage picking through a skip (dumpster)
Hello, Technical 13.

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Beryllium

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I think the edit request was right, I will try to search for a reference. --Stone (talk) 04:32, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Javascript potential

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I know nothing about user scripts or such things, but I was wondering if you could assist me. I am asking you because your name betrays an involvement in such things. There is a gadget on the Commons called "Cat-a-lot". It makes moving categories much easier. It would not've been useful here prior to the enabling of category moves for auto-confirmed users, so I imagine that is why it was never brought over here. However, as we all know, manual category moves, now available to auto-confirmed users, require a lot of clean-up. This gadget would make such clean-up much easier. I asked for assistance with this matter at the gadget's talk page. The sole respondent said to "find a user familiar with javascript who would be willing to adopt it". I wonder, would you be willing to do such a thing? I have no idea what this entails. I have zero technical computer knowledge. I am merely asking, as I think it would be a beneficial tool to have at our disposal. RGloucester — ☎ 20:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm heading out in a couple hours for a 'guys night' with a couple guys from my church and have a church breakfast tomorrow, but once I have a few free moments, I'll happily take a look. I'm sure it won't take much if anything to bring it over. Would you want it to be a gadget or just available as a userscript (you mention it is a gadget on commons)? If you want it as a gadget, we'll have to get assistance from an admin and Writ Keeper, Edokter, and Jackmcbarn come to the top of my head as possible helpers on this. Let me know. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine a userscript is better. RGloucester — ☎ 21:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • RGloucester, have you tried adding mw.loader.load( 'https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&title=MediaWiki:Gadget-Cat-a-lot.js' );// [[Commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot]] to your common.js? I don't see anything that jumps out at me why that shouldn't work. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 12:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I tried, but it is unusable. The interface is totally screwed up and one cannot click any of the buttons. I suppose it needs to be imported as a gadget, then? RGloucester — ☎ 15:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, one could read this page. Essentially, it makes moving pages between different categories much easier. It provides a convenient interface for such moves. I do think it would be of great benefit to Wikipedia. As a Commons gadget, the original works with file pages. However, here, it should be able to work for article pages. RGloucester — ☎ 18:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any progress on this matter? If you haven't time or interest, perhaps you could direct me in the direction of someone who might be able to help? RGloucester — ☎ 21:02, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I really don't have a lot of time. Those three people I mentioned above would probably be a good start if you're looking for someone with time who might be interested. Alternatively, perhaps one of the other editors in User js (I'd suggest someone in 3-5, 2 at the lowest)? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Much obliged. RGloucester — ☎ 21:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox film

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Hi.... The language parameter should automatically link the language (without any additional text), to the language article. Seems it's not working, take a look at my edit. What could be the problem ? Can you fix this? regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:31, 22 March 2015 (UTC).[reply]

  • Why (and how) would a template autolink in that way? How would the template know if {{{language}}} should be looking for Telugu/Telugu language/Telugu (language), or some other variation? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 21:42, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Believe me... It used to link automatically, (eg: Tamil → Tamil language, Telugu → Telugu language.... xxxxx → xxxxx language..... ), for some strange reason it stopped suddenly, otherwise I wouldn`t be having this conversation. Nevertheless, in both the tables its says "{{{language}}} : In the case of a single language without any additional text, it will automatically link to the language article. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC).[reply]
It did formerly do that, yes; the feature was removed five months ago by Frietjes (talk · contribs) with this edit. See Template talk:Infobox film/Archive 27#Language linking. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:42, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

adjust settings in OBA

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Hey Tech,

I was playing around trying to get that One Button Archive to work for my talk page. I sorta got it there - but I want to change some settings.

  1. It shows up on ALL the talk pages I visit - if I wanted to, can I make it JUST show on my own talk? If so, how?
  2. I sort of have it working - but it archives to my very first archive (here). How do I set the parameter to my current archive? (Currently here, but will soon be here.)

any help would be appreciated, but if you are busy with other things I understand - I can just remove the stuff from my monobook.js (or wherever the hell I put it). Thanks. — Ched (talk · contribs) 17:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very good! I thank you. :) — Ched (talk · contribs) 17:34, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  1. You can't have it "just" show up on your own talk page (although I might consider making that a future option). What I suggest doing in the mean time is, depending on your browser, Alt+⇧ Shift+O to disable the script by default on all pages, then when you want to use it, Alt+⇧ Shift+O to turn it back on, click the link to archive the section(s) you want to archive and then Alt+⇧ Shift+O to turn it back off again.
  2. I've added the template to your talk page so that it will archive to Archive 31. Feel free to adjust the counter or maxarchive size (it will respect maxarchivesize now) to your liking within reason.  :)
Happy archiving! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:06, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't edit on my phone, or even my tablet really - so I'll just be careful. (and will try those keys out). I did try to set it up myself (here), but didn't have the energy to troubleshoot it at the time. Just getting harder and harder for me to follow through on coding stuff. I did notice when I removed the code from my talk, once the cache was purged the "Archive" button was still there. Figured I might trouble you at some point for the help. Thank you again Tech - I really do appreciate your time. — Ched (talk · contribs) 18:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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