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What nature is, then, and the meaning of the terms 'by nature' and 'according to nature', has been stated. That nature exists, it would be absurd to try to prove; for it is obvious that there are many things of this kind, and to prove what is obvious by what is not is the mark of a man who is unable to distinguish what is self-evident from what is not. (This state of mind is clearly possible. A man blind from birth might reason about colours.) Presumably therefore such persons must be talking about words without any thought to correspond. - Aristotle's Physics Book 2, chapter 1

"I would also clarify that there is a small minority of educated English speakers, mostly linguists, who do not think that "unnatural" rules of correctness should be imposed on a language, and some of these people have commented above. However, this is a very small minority, and if you want to appear to be correct when communicating with English speakers who are not linguists, you should ignore the linguists." -Marco polo 13:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Nothing is so remote from us as the thing which is not old enough to be history and not new enough to be news. - G. K. Chesterton, The End of the Armistice

"I would also clarify that there is a small minority of educated English speakers, mostly linguists, who do not think that "unnatural" rules of correctness should be imposed on a language, and some of these people have commented above. However, this is a very small minority, and if you want to appear to be correct when communicating with English speakers who are not linguists, you should ignore the linguists." --User:Marco polo, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Dzungarian Gate

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Geography of New Caledonia

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Shetani

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Miami cannibal attack

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

ITN credit

--Jayron32 03:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
	I love your montages. They are very beautiful. I could look at them all day. Thank you! HoopoeBaijiKite 19:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate that. I did work hard on trying to get them not only to be biologically broad-based but also attractive. Your encouragement makes me want to create some more. μηδείς (talk) 20:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

ITN Credit

--Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 23:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring for beginners.

It takes two, baby. And you revert me every single time I change your image. That is why your image always wins, because I don't edit war. You always win by default because I don't push the rules and you do. So now you accuse me of edit warring? Oh my god that is beautiful! At any rate, please go to your RfC and demonstrate where the consensus you claim comes from. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

• I invite you to demonstrate how your image is the consensus image here. Given that you repeatedly revert me because you claim that you have consensus I feel you should have to demonstrate that fact rather than simply assert it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I have a bad case of the flu. I 'll respond as soon as I feel up to it. μηδείς (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Then rest up and get well. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Miami Zombie

Hi, I have nominated Miami Zombie for a DYK listing with you and those editors who have contributed 1000 bytes or more listed as authors. See Template:Did you know nominations/2012 Miami cannibalism incident if you want to make any changes. μηδείς (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

That's great news! Thanks! Thanks for nominating it ... and also for making me aware of the nomination. So, exactly how do we know if/when it will be approved or accepted to appear in the DYK? Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Of course. This has been a rather pleasant and productive collaboration all around. Look here for comments and updates on the nomination. DYK seems backed up. Nominations used to clear within about a week. You can help the process by reading other nominations and helping with the review process. You can't review a nomination in which you are named, of course. μηδείς (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the info. I have never been involved with the DYK process before, so I did not know any of this information. Thank you! Also, thanks for all the work you have been doing on the "Miami Cannibal" article. Great job! Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I see that this entry appeared on the "DYK" for today (June 15). Congrats on your efforts to get it posted at DYK! Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

If only that gentleman hadn't changed the name of the article in the middle of its posting (and I not messed up changing it back) the number of hits would have been posted and we could easily have nominated it for the number of views. That can still be done, but it will take some hard work. I will follow up on it. μηδείς (talk) 23:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! (Re: Garden hose)

Thank you for your support. 173.28.244.122 (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

A little question...

I noticed there was a discussion on the renaming of the article on poison ivy on Talk:Toxicodendron radicans. I was thinking if I could rename Poison sumac as Toxicodendron vernix. Should I do that? And there should be a proposal to rename all organism articles to their scientific name? Fairly OddParents Freak (Fairlyoddparents1234) 21:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I would personally oppose it as violating WP:COMMONNAME. If your purpose is to make a point, see WP:POINTY. I wouldn't do it unless you argue for it in good faith and get consensus for it on the talk page. μηδείς (talk) 21:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

A belated response

Please accept my apology for taking so long to respond at User talk: Peter M. Brown#reptiles. I somehow failed to notice your addition there. I have now responded. Incidentally, your recent reversion to the Mammal article was most welcome. Peter M. Brown (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, thanks. I found the situation on mammals most annoying. The edits were obviously good faith. The IP geolocated to Brazil. Perhaps there was a language issue. μηδείς (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Incidents of zombie-like behavior in 2012

An article that you have been involved in editing, Incidents of zombie-like behavior in 2012, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I have replaced the {{merge}} tag you removed from this article, as no consensus has been reached in the discussion. Feel free to continue to contribute to the debate, but please do not remove the tag until a community decision has been made and acted upon. Thanks. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:29, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

sorry, that was inadvertent. μηδείς (talk) 12:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem; I did wonder if it was a mistake. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:42, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Ref Desk - A claim to need replacing the PCM on my PT Cruiser sounds fishy

Note that 70.179.170.114 reposted his question to the miscellaneous desk with the BLP stuff supposedly removed. 203.27.72.5 (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

what is the problem here??????????????????????

Dude, if your comment is "not a response to anyone's", then your use of the outdent template was inept in the extreme, since the purpose of that template is to label a comment as a follow-up to the immediately preceding comment, but at a different indentation level. Whatever your comment is, it's not a response to mine, and I refuse to let it be positioned where it appears to be a response to mine -- under the general privilege that people are allowed to move comments in discussions in order to make threading relationships clear. AnonMoos (talk) 08:39, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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I've made it abundantly clear multiple times that your comment cannot appear after mine unless it is made very obvious that it is not associated with mine (definitely not a reply to it), yet you insist on doing things which will lead to confusion and obscurity on this essential point. I really don't understand what the problem is... AnonMoos (talk) 08:54, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

images

By the way, it could be considered poor etiquette to have multiple large images on your user talk page. I'm sure they're very pretty, but they've never finished loading for me, so I haven't seen them... AnonMoos (talk) 08:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

combining my 3 user pages

Can you combined or merge my 3 user pages which are User_talk:Buffyfan84, User:Narwhalgal84 and User:Bulkbot84? That would help me alot. Bulkbot84 (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I have created a request for help for you here on the Help Desk. I am sure it can be done, but an administrator there would be likely to know how; I don't. μηδείς (talk) 18:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicholas Roerich

If you're going to restore what still looks suspiciously like a plug to me, could you at least re-format the "reference" to something of utility? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments redacted

Just to let you know, I redacted part of your recount of an episode of a TV series featuring the case of Margaret Crotty. As Looie496 and me mentioned, there is no evidence for the claim of what happened to Margaret Crotty appearing anywhere else which would seem surprising if it had appeared in any popular source, like a TV show. So in the absence of evidence the claims actually appeared in the TV show, I don't think these claims should appear anywhere on wikipedia for WP:BLP reasons. If you disagree, please take this to WP:BLP/N but only link to the changes rather then repeating the claims there. BTW, I did not attempt to modify you comment beyond redacting the problematic parts, so part of it may not make so much sense anymore. Feel free to clarify or modify your comment as necessary without repeating the redacted parts. I felt this was better then me trying to modify your comments more. I am purposely not linking to my redactings here to try and reduce the impact, frankly if it hadn't been so long I probably would have asked for a deletion. Nil Einne (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

It shouldn't be a problem, since what I am looking for is the episode. I'll get around to checking the new wording. μηδείς (talk) 16:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Please

It's nothing personal Medeis, and I would much rather be NOT checking your edits. But please, I warned you before about unannounced editing of other people's signed posts, so once again, don't change other people's signed posts. Please do stop now, whether it's a template or your opinion or anything else. You can expect a block in future if you continue. You of course can go to ANI any time you want to ask for review of my actions as an administrator or editor. The policy/guidelines I am basing this on would be WP:TPO and WP:DE. Franamax (talk) 06:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to be sure, you understand that this comment of yours in no way refutes or avoids my final warning to you about changing other peoples posts, right? Don't change anything about the lines where the other editor post is, does that make it clearer? Oh, and the other bit where you mentioned using hidden HTML comments - no, that also is you changing another's post, so, same applies. Franamax (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

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NRO Gives NASA Two Hubble-Class Telescopes

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/06/nro-gives-nasa.html

--Stone (talk) 08:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! μηδείς (talk) 23:12, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Please stop moving my post

Please stop moving my post. If you properly fix your indentation, I will voluntarily move it on request, but I request that you stop moving it yourself given how you've failed two times already to move my post without causing no ends of confusion. As it stands, you not only continued to caused confusion for my post by moving my post (my post was an EC with all posts below including your one you moved which my comment made clear before you moved but not after you moved) but cause further confusion for Someguy1221's post by changing you identation without I think notifying Someguy1221 despite the fact it sounded like they were replying to you and idented their post in reply to you which was no longer clear after you modified your post after they replied. Nil Einne (talk)

What are you talking about? μηδείς (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry someone moved my post again and changed the indentation level of your post on the RD/H U.S. and serial killers thread. I presumed it was you again, but I guess from your reply it was not. Sorry for any confusion and for my mistaken assumption. Nil Einne (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Or perhaps my original assumption was correct. Either way, I've fixed the problem. I also notified Someguy1221 since you did not. Nil Einne (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

NPA

Please do not attack other editors, as you did to Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Lihaas (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Please be specific, with a diff, because, although I am quite happy to take you in good faith, I have no idea what you are taling about. μηδείς (talk)

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Did you mean to delete my comments from my talk page ?

If so, I'm baffled as to why. StuRat (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheese and effing crackers, how did that happen? I have restored them with my last intended addition. μηδείς (talk) 04:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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My user name is in Latin letters, which represent the Greek letters you see in my signature. Only the second letter, eta, is not the same as the Latin. You see Medeis when you edit. Feel free to refer to me by that name in Latin spelling. The name is well-enough established that I do not, respectfully, intend to change it. μηδείς (talk) 03:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Please indent correctly at the RD

Sometimes wrongly indented answers make it difficult to parse the thread. OsmanRF34 (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

If you don't provide a diff I have no idea what you are talking about. If I did not indent at all, then I was not responding to any of the other responses, which is proper, and what I am guessing you might be referring to--but I am not psychic. μηδείς (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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OK.

I'll just ask if we can get along, and that I do sincerely apologies. --Τασουλα (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. μηδείς (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

*hugs*. --Τασουλα (talk) 00:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Understood ^_^ --Τασουλα (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Reference Desk Response

The question you asked was archived right after I posted with the book name I promised, since I'm not sure if you saw it, here was the answer: "The book I was thinking of is The Structure and Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics by R. I. G. Hughes, if you're feeling a little more mathematically inclined, you might try the first 7 or 8 chapters of Quantum Processes Systems, and Information by Benjamin Schumacher and Michael Westmoreland from Cambridge University Press." Let me know if these aren't what you're looking for and I can see if I can come up with something better- I have around 500-600 textbooks pertaining to quantum stuff, so there's a decent chance one of them will be of use.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 01:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

heh, yes, went to respond there and it had already disappeared into the aether--as you saw at your page I did see it and have read the listing at amazon, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Uh wuh? ("Mission statement arbitrary break 2")

I was too responding to Wnt. Tell you what, we can all be above the break, OK?  Card Zero  (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see that, I won't argue against it. The best solution if you strongly object would be to remove the break. It simply seemed that your "here's a thought" was starting a new...'thought. μηδείς (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

The break would look nice above Wnt's last post, I think, moving our conversation above the break. Wnt can complain about this later.  Card Zero  (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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O tempora! O Ref Desk!

Hi, Medeis.

Please don’t quibble when someone says they don’t understand what you write. Please accept that state of affairs at face value, and attempt to explain it using different words. Please don’t raise hypotheticals about them playing any sort of games, unless you have clear evidence that sort of thing is going on.

Nobody is so good with language that all of their utterances are inherently comprehensible. We all sometimes have to have another go. If you have a difficulty with that, well, I’m sorry, but life is tough.

Let me explain my confusion. You did indeed say that the word "o’clock" is generally omitted, as "assumed" and as "understood". But the way you said that was problematical, I think you’d have to agree:

• Half past eight o'clock is standard American usage, although the o'clock is usually omitted as understood.

How do I parse that? That it’s most common to hear people saying “half past eight o’clock”, or just “half past eight”? If the word is usually omitted, how can the full version be standard usage? Maybe I’m a literalist, but when it comes to discussing the precise formulations of exact words, precision in our answers is very desirable. Me, I’m no dummy, but when someone tells me that black is white, or something to that effect, I am confused.

My post stated my opinion that the OP was interested in the use of the word “o’clock” in these expressions of time. You responded by saying it’s “totally normal”. So I figured that was the way to interpret your original remark. That is, if I asked a random American stranger what time it was, I should expect to hear “It’s 20 past 3 o’clock”. This is what I was understanding you to be saying, at this point, despite your earlier statement that the word is usually omitted. In other words, you had clarified your earlier confusing statement.

I alluded to the “totally normal” thing in my post at 3:47. You didn’t respond to it, so I figured that my understanding was now well and truly confirmed.

Then you said “it's rare that you'll ever hear someone say it's half past eight o'clock”. So, I was back to square 1. Hence my request for clarification. I could have gone into all the above on the ref desk itself, but I thought a simple request for clarification would do the trick.

To prove that I am more than willing to give you the time of day, it is now precisely 10:04:37 a.m. AEST. By my watch. Have a nice day. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

But again, I qualified myself each time, saying, for example, it's also rare that one would hear "it's 32 degrees fahrenheit out" rather than "It's 32 out", but that it would in no way sound weird. Having to say the same thing the third time did strike me as odd. In any case, I think keeping this to the relevant ref desk page instead of here is fine. μηδείς (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Saying that something "would in no way sound weird" is definitely not the same thing as saying that that something is "standard usage". Not in my lingo, anyway. The former means something that would raise no eyebrows but you wouldn't hear it every day. The latter means something you would hear every day. In my lingo.

Having this meta-discussion on the ref desk would have been totally inappropriate, which is why I brought it here. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I am not exactly sure what you want me to say. "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously" is a perfectly unobjectionable, grammatically normal sentence that I would never expect to hear. "Half past eight o'clock" is a perfectly unobjectionable sentence that I have heard maybe half a dozen times at most in my life, but at least twice. What more do you want me to say? μηδείς (talk) 01:09, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Nothing. I just wanted to ask you to respect people's requests for clarification with an acceptance that they're genuinely in need of such clarification. I did that, and followed it up with a detailed explanation of why I was left confused. But you then defended your posts, when my explanation was not an attack on them, merely an explanation of why they didn't work for me. What I would have liked is for you to acknowledge that, no matter what you may have intended in your posts or no matter how well expressed and articulate you may think they were, the inescapable fact is that I was confused by them. No amount of reminding me of what you said in one place or another place changes the fact that the totality of what you had to say did not compute for me. It did not all hang together. That was my experience. Maybe what you can say to round off this little chat, is "Fair enough, Jack, I accept that that was your experience". -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 04:03, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

How are you?

I noted your frustration on the ref desk. I've had at you a couple of times, but I mean you no ill will in general so believe me when I say I am concerned for you wiki well-being, I think you've been making a pretty good effort to keep things straight over there, but it looks like you are getting burnt out a bit. Please don't get too worked up, and don't let it sour you too much. For all the disagreements we are all having, I know you are making an honest effort to do what you feel is best. I know I sometimes get frustrated and take it beyond the walls of wikipedia into the real world. Don't let it get to you, and please believe that we are all trying to do what we think is right, even if it doesn't look like it, and even if it is a pain in the ass. Mingmingla (talk) 03:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Innocence of Muslims

The correct answer to the thread would have been something along the lines of:

No one has publicized a way to view the film, and several journalists have stated their doubts that the film even exists. See [[our article]] as well as [this], [this] and [that] news items that discuss the issue.

I rolled my eyes when I saw the response thread, I really did. It's my reaction to about half of threads to which Stu contributes, actually. But I can't agree with hatting the question. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I haven't hatted it recently, lol. μηδείς (talk) 02:39, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Web Hosting Lyrics

As someone may argue that the following is “legal advice” though it is nothing more than my personal view, I am putting it here, rather than on the Ref Desk. (Of course, by the time I finish typing this, the whole matter may be but a tattered explosion of words, and this too late even for the most fervent interest.) Here's how “fair use” in general is apparently determined, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation:

“There are no clear-cut rules for deciding what's fair use and there are no "automatic" classes of fair uses. Fair use is decided by a judge, on a case by case basis, after balancing the four factors listed in section 107 of the Copyright statute. The factors to be considered include:

a. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes -- Courts are more likely to find fair use where the use is for noncommercial purposes.

b. The nature of the copyrighted work -- A particular use is more likely to be fair where the copied work is factual rather than creative.

c. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole -- A court will balance this factor toward a finding of fair use where the amount taken is small or insignificant in proportion to the overall work.

d. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work -- If the court finds the newly created work is not a substitute product for the copyrighted work, it will be more likely to weigh this factor in favor of fair use.”

In respect of lyrics hosting cites, I suspect (but do not know) not being a lawyer of any sort or even a self-selected “expert” on the matter, the following:

(a1) Websites are seldom set up as non-commercial ventures. The goal is usually to sell advertising space. Lyrics may be educational, but the site's purpose is to generate hits for advertising revenue (FAIL)

(b1) As far as I know, song lyrics are always creative, even when describing factual matters (FAIL)

(c1) The whole of a lyric is the whole of a lyric (FAIL)

(d1) If you don't have to buy the product to get the lyrics then it is a substitute for a creative work (FAIL)

I don't think one could argue that sites web-hosting lyrics are fair use, but YMMV. The sites stay up because each copyright holder would have to identify and prove a copyright violation and then apply on an individual basis for specific material to be taken down. It would take much deeper pockets than most artists possess to have any appreciable effect. Bielle (talk) 00:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I am not looking to argue the matter. I do agree fair use requires at least minimal commentary or "use", so a site that only provided previously published lyrics and ads with no additional editorial content would indeed be suspect. The fact that the websites are commercial in selling advertising does not per se mean they are harming the copyright owner. Yet the whole of the lyric is not the whole of the work, and user guesses at unpublished lyrics do amount to commentary on the work. In any case, your comments are useful--you should have posted them on the thread and collapsed them but left them there for the curious, linking to our policy. μηδείς (talk) 00:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

You did say that you thought "a case could be made" for "fair use". I only wrote this up because I don't think that is so. Whether you actually wanted to make that case, or not, I am uncomfortable letting the suggestion just hang there. The whole issue is tangential to the question being asked, and responses may be considered to be legal advice: those are two, good reasons for keeping this off the Ref Desk page. I would rather see your comment come off than my remarks here go on, but that is your choice.

The fact that the site is a commercial one is, in and of itself, a negative factor in determining "fair use"; that's point (a). If the presence of the lyric on the site is also costing the copyright owner, which is point (d), that's just another separate consideration in determining "fair use". Bielle (talk) 00:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, again, I suggest you post you first comment here and my first response as a collapsed addition to the proper thread. Arguing about the application of policy is not legal advice--that would only apply if there were some actual court or legal case. (BTW, I don't know how the thread got erased when I tried to submit this comment before--this is the third time that's happened recently on my talk page. In any case, I don't want to discuss it further here. μηδείς (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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What is H-List? And could you post a link to Campbell's message that you describe as "shouted down"? Just for my curiosity's sake, not because it matters much for the article.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

By H-list I meant Histling-l@mailman.rice.edu which you should be able to subscribe to, let me know if you have a problem. You should also be able to access their archives. As for Campbell's call that Greenberg's Amerind forthcoming work should be "shouted down" before it had even been published, see these search results. If you need the exact ref I'll find it. Campbell's call for not posting any historical work that could be associated with Greenberg is in the first or second archive of the Histling list. Nostrtic.net in the English version will have Campbell's criticism. I can also find it exactly for you if necessary. I have studied Greenberg's Amerind and Eurasiatic hypotheses. There are a few flaws in the Eurasiatic hypothesis. Greenberg's notion that Ainu forms a clade with Japanese and Korean is patently absurd, especially given Alexander Vovin's A Reconstruction of Proto-Ainu. Greenberg's Amerind work simply provides good prima facie evidence for Amerind in some sense as a real clade--nowhere near proof, and especially not proof that all' the non-Eskaleut/Na Dene families are Amerind. The problem is that declaring his work has flaws or is incomplete does not amount to a full disproof. My undergraduate work was in biology, and the criticisms of Campbell strike me as the same as Alan Feduccia's attacks on the dinosaur origin of birds theory, back when the Chinese bird pre/proto-bird fossils hadn't yet been found; ad hoc criticisms which start with the premises that the theory is already disproven. I am no expert in an American language, my study except for personally perusing proto-grammars and dictionaries of American languages has been of old-world languages. But I haven't yet come across an "Amerind" language that shows evidence (1) of being more closely related to any family outside the Americas and (2) no evidence whatsoever of at least intimate contact with other than "Amerind" languages. μηδείς (talk) 23:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, for that. Campbell's criticisms are not just a conservative outlook, but a reluctance to jettison the very claim of historical linguistics of being a scientific discipline. Greenberg's classification method is quite simply pseudoscience. Now, pseudoscience sometimes strike on valid conclusions by chance, but it is important not to take that as evidence in support of invalid methodologies and assumptions. I have not found evidence of any "Amerind" language that shows greater affinities with non-"Amerind" languages than with other languages of the Americas. That is in no evidence of genetic relatedness, or even really suggestive of it.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Grenberg's and Ruhlen's responses are all available at Nostratic.net, as are Campbell's, which are in no way exhaustive. If you read them they make it clear that The "Amerindianists" view classification as prior to reconstruction, but not as a replacement for it. The point would be something (in my own words) along the line that based on similarities in pronouns and vocabulary, there seems prima facie evidence for a clade that includes Slovene, Slovak, Yiddish, Polish, Russian, Czech, Romanian, Bulgarian, Rusyn and Ukranian, which we lumpers will call Slavic. The Critics' response seems to be that the evidence for including Romanian and Yiddish is week, and many of the other languages have borrowings from Russian and Latin, so the Slavic hypothesis as a whole is forever disproven as pseudoscientific. There is no way that one can say Greenberg, et al, view Amerind as fully demonstrated--only as a strong starting hypothesis with enough evidence to take seriously. (There is also the fact that Greenberg et al take genetic relatedness as the default position, while Campbell et al take borrowing as the default position.) Perhaps that should be better emphasized in the article. If we are going to continue this discussion it should be on the article's talk page. If you want to respond, please copy me and post your response there. μηδείς (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I think it is more appropriate to reply here as this is more about our personal opinions than about how to improve the article. I don't buy your Slavic analogy either - it is not the case that there is a core of promising correspondences and that splitters are jettisoning the entire project because of a few languages that don't seem to fit. It is also not the case that there is a need to start by making grand hypotheses which can then be further elaborated by correct methods - there is no dearth of hypotheses, on the contrary. "Splitters" in fact do work actively on showing valid groupings, and reconstructing language families, that is when they have time after they point out the obvious flaws in the dozens of long range or phylum hypotheses made by scholars who have neither the intention or ability to actually make a valid and solid proposal backed with evidence. Taking relatedness as the null hypothesis is of course just bad science. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:26, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

But it's not something I really want to argue. (I personally know speakers of Nakota and Mixtec. I have, on my own, studied everything from Papago and Algonquian to Tlingit and Eskaleut, to Quecha and Mapudungu, and I know Greenberg's premise is both verifiable in the WP sense and not pseudoscientific.) It would be okay to argue in person, but not here, as it is far too cumbersome. I would recommend you read all the Amerind material at Nostratic,net, including Campbell's original review and Greenberg's response. I do agree that there is no reconstruction of the midlevel families of the purported Amerind sufficient to base a reconstruction of it upon. Nevertheless, Campbell's criticisms are quite weak potshots. A small number of minor flaws and the notion that one might imagine correspondences are due to borrowing or other unspecified "influences" don't amount to actual rebuttals of Greenberg. There's no problem whatsoever giving a fair description of his opposition and pointing out that he does not offer or even have the grounds to offer a reconstruction. There's no reason to deride his position as if it were sheer quackery. μηδείς (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I think there is a reason to describe it unkindly: that is the position taken by the main authorities in the field. But now we are back to discussing how to improve the article. I disagree fundamentally with your somewhat glib dismissal of Campebell's (and many other scholars') very strong criticisms of methodological and theoretical flaws.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

It's certainly not glib or unconsidered. Read Greenberg and the sources at Nostratic.net at your leisure. I am also familiar enough with your edits to know you are not glib or unconsidered. I have read Campbell's and Greenberg's papers, and Campbell's American Indian Languages: The Historical Linguistics of Native America, and Mithun's classification in full, and plenty of independent, including primary sources. Greenberg's work is preliminary at best--it just can't be dismissed off hand. My basic point is that it's possible to give an objective description of Campbell's and the Americanists' reaction toward Greenberg that even Greenberg's supporters would agree is Campbell's viewpoint. μηδείς (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Yoruba language

Thanks for deleting the section I was trying to convert into sense! I agree that it was dubious, but loan words aren't completely off-topic in a language article. The small number of them provided probably says a lot in itself.

I'll insert my edits into the latest revision and then you can delete it again if you like. ;) ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 06:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I will take a look at it again. Those edits were part of a larger trend of inserting dubious material from a source notable for its POV rather than its scholarship. μηδείς (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Mistaken section deletion ?

I assume you deleted this section: [1] by mistake ? I restored it. StuRat (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I added a remark and when I saved it I got a database error message. I think the history actually shows that I sucessfully restored it. μηδείς (talk) 17:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

OK. I tried to restore it, but you must have beaten me to it. StuRat (talk) 17:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Other than the blocking admins personal point of view, which was not consensus when the matter was discussed, there is no damage to the project. He should recuse himself for enforcing his personal opinion on the matter as if it were policy, file a complaint, and let an independent admin judge. I also invite User:Pfly to comment as whether he feels my action vandalised his edit. If so, please let me remain blocked. Until then please unblock me as no danger to the project. μηδείς (talk) 20:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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I am quite happy to take this to RfC and abide by that decision before I act, but I am not prepared to take Franamax's opinion as law without further review. He's said I would be unblocked if I don't use the template again, and I am happy to wait for such a ruling, so please unblock me. μηδείς (talk) 21:36, 8 October 2012‎ (UTC)

Decline reason:

I am quite happy to take this to RfC and abide by that decision before I act,
We needn't conduct an RfC to determine whether the guideline applies to you.
but I am not prepared to take Franamax's opinion as law without further review.
Your unblock request was reviewed by an uninvolved administrator (me). You then initiated another request with the same invalid rationale (the incorrect assertion that Franamax is uniltaterally imposing a standard not backed by consensus). If you do so again (thereby abusing this procedure), your ability to edit this talk page while blocked may be revoked.
He's said I would be unblocked if I don't use the template again,
No, Franamax stated that you can be unblocked if you will agree to stop all editing of others' comments. That offer stands. —David Levy 21:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have promised not to add stars to other people's comment's unless there is an RfC that says I may do so. I have not otherwise "edited other editor's" comments under any definition, and I do promise not to do so, including his definition. What else am I supposed to promise? Please unblock me, you won't see me editing people's comments. μηδείς (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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I've unblocked you. Please keep in mind that if you don't honor your promise to refrain from modifying others' talk page messages (except in accordance with WP:TPO), you'll be blocked again. —David Levy 22:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I think I have been eminently clear that I am happy to abide by an actual community decision, rather than Franamax's threats and fiat. I don't accept an admin's privilege to unilaterally enforce a POV in an argument in which he has taken part, especially one that reached no such consensus, and by threats and blocks. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Just for the record in response to sentence two of the unblock request, here is an example of "edited other editor's"-ing. Franamax (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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All or nothing please

If you're going to collapse discussion, please get rid of the initial worthless response. --Onorem♠Dil 17:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

He did both give an external link to the data the OP wanted and did explain why the info was not yet in the article. That has to stand, even though I am very sympathetic with the concern of not inviting editors to do it themselves. Please continue this on the ref desk talk page if you like, I watch there and any discussion belongs there. μηδείς (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Read the question again. --Onorem♠Dil 17:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

There's a thread at talk now, express your concerns there please. μηδείς (talk) 17:37, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I have. Thank you. --Onorem♠Dil 17:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Why is my change 'nonsense'? --Onorem♠Dil 18:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

If you can cap randomly, so can I. --Onorem♠Dil 18:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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fête

Do you know the word fête is pronounced fight in Quebec French. Fête (talk) 10:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Québécois

Êtes-vous québécois ? Fête (talk) 00:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Mais, non! J'habite les EEUU, et je n'ai pas de sang francais. Je ne parle pas bien francais. Je parle nativement l'anglais et secondairement l'espagnol et un peut des autres langues. Je peux m'exprimer en francais si necessaire. μηδείς (talk) 02:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Ma langue maternelle

Non, ma langue maternelle est le cantonais. Fête (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Mais ta page user dit que tu ne parles qu'intermédiairement le cantonais. Il faut nous dire quelle langue tu parles le plus bien. μηδείς (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yue signifie cantonais. Fête (talk) 23:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Entendu. Mais Google Translate dit que "呢個用戶嘅母語係粵語。 b呢个用户嘅母语系粤语" signifie que "This user speaks an intermediate level of Cantonese": <<Cet utilisateur parle avec un niveau intermédiaire de Cantonais.>> Si le cantonais est ta langue maternelle il faut que tu changes ce qu'il dit dans ta page user. μηδείς (talk) 23:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It is possible Fête just writes the truth. I know several people (well, three) who do not speak their mother tongue at all any more, and several others who speak it poorly. All WP:OR, but true, nonetheless. Bielle (talk) 23:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

That describes a lot of my late relatives, but they all lost fluency in their mother tongues only as they became fully fluent in English. Fête nous dira. μηδείς (talk) 00:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for confirming my proto-Polish

I appreciate your pitching in on my Language RD query. I did use Google Translate, but with texts by this well-published author I like to get a native-speaker's input. There are a few Ref Desk Regulars who are familiar with my turf and will probably show up within 24 hours - otherwise I'll hail them individually. (Checking recent activity on their Talk pages is usually a good indication :-) -- Cheers! Deborahjay (talk) 07:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

volume

I must to ask where to turn up the volume ? Fête (talk) 23:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk μηδείς (talk) 23:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

tempête

You hear [tãpɛːt] or [tãpaɛ̯t] in the file Media:FR-Tempête (Gaspésie).ogg ? Fête (talk) 18:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It is a weak dipthong, a little higher than [tãpaɛ̯t], closer to [tãpæɪ̯t]. Please don't keep asking me these questions on my talk page. You really should contact the French department of a local university and ask them where you can get information on the subject. μηδείς (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Recent deaths

Do you want to nominate Sunil Gangopadhyay? If that gets support by itself, that would be great. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I would only be a very weak support, basically because I am ignorant on the subject from every angle (poetry, Hindu, Bangladesh...). So, no, I don't feel comfortable nominating it myself. But given the reader interest and the good state of the article I would vote support were it nominated by someone who has more knowledge on the issue than I. I hate to sound so critical of your noms. I support the spirit, and appreciate your effort. I just want to stay procedurally kosher and avoid giving ammo to the opposes. μηδείς (talk) 03:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

hiver

Do you hear [ivɛːʁ] or [ivaɛ̯ʁ] in the file Media:Fr-hiver-fr CA.ogg ? Fête (talk) 10:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Answer me please ! I Don't hear well. Fête (talk) 20:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I hear the diphthong. Il faut que tu parles avec un prof d'une universite que soit pres de toi. Ils vont savoir ou tu peux encontre les reponses que tu veux. μηδείς (talk) 21:04, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have extensive educational background in the subject matter. "Crystalline" and "igneous" do not mean the same thing. I am trying to link to relevant Wikipedia articles that explain the technical terms and concepts, rather than providing "lay" explanations that are misleading or inaccurate. --Orlady (talk) 20:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I do appreciate your efforts to clarify the terminology in the article, but I don't think it's necessary or even possible to write such an article using only language that will be understood by people with only a rudimentary knowledge of geology. Some technical terminology is needed, supported by wikilinks.

As I see it, the problems with the article are not really "too technical", but rather have included poor writing (some parts are still almost completely incoherent), misuse of technical terms, lack of links to other articles, and sometimes the use of multiple technical terms for what is essentially one concept. Efforts by several contributors are resolving these things, bit by bit. --Orlady (talk) 23:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I see it's in flux. The description of the craton in the second paragraph of the lead is helpful. I am not asking for full digressions, All I am suggesting is adding appositives like one would in biology or any other technical science. E.g., "Mammals are 'warm-blooded', or endothermic animals with backbones (i.e., vertebrates) characterized by possessing hair, producing milk, and having three inner ear bones evolved from the reptilian jawbones." This is much better than the equally true: "mammals are trichophorous lactating craniates with a derived incus, malleus and stirrup" which is where the Geology of Russia article had been standing. 23:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

Didn't even know my fingers had made that edit - apologies! Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Climate change and Hurricane Sandy

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Kurtsi

I seem to recall you telling about your xxxxxx origins, but I didn't want to mention that on RDL because you didn't want to reveal that yourself (and it would be ahearsay anyway). May I ask, why such secrecy? If you genuinely want the answer, isn't it better that you provide more hints, not hide them? No such user (talk) 00:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

What I have is what I have been told without much documentation by elder family; no one closer than my grandparents generation was born in the old country. I have various rhymes, curses, sayings, prayers, jokes, and so forth that I have been taught over the years. I have very few relatives left of that age, and none that remembers living in Europe. So I am hoping to get independent confirmation of the things I have been told. Just coming out and saying "such and such is what I was told is such and such" will be subject to confirmation bias and so forth. The information that "kurtsi" may mean "dick" is not something I would have expected to learn had I just come out and said this rhyme is supposedly from this dialect and I was told it means such and such--and certainly not penis! So, I am actually quite happy with the results so far. I will explain what I have been told in full eventually, but am hoping to hear it "from the horses mouth" so to say before I give my own version. Thanks very much for the interest! μηδείς (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Little temper tantrum over language desk nonsense

I really don't see why why we need multiple queries about misspelled pointless pottymouth pseudo-proverbs in indeterminate Slavic dialects in multiple sections on the ref. desk. My reason for grouping them was exactly the same as for grouping User:Fête... AnonMoos (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S. According to Wikipedia policies, this user talk page does not really "belong" to you, and I've still never seen the slow-loading images at the top of this page... AnonMoos (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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	Thanks for finding a good photo for the Héctor Camacho article! INeverCry 20:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• I reviewed it on Commons, and added it to the other articles in interwiki. INeverCry 20:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I was concerned because I expected a special prompt for flickr images, but didn't find one while uploading--but I see you caught thta. I am curious how you found Ms. Negron's last name? There didn't seem any obvious way to find it, or I'd have added her full name. (I know I have uploaded images before from Flickr without finding the author's full name. I haven't done too many, so you may want to check my previous uploads, if there is a way to do that. μηδείς (talk) 20:59, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I only did the Flickr review, which I rarely do. This user added the info you refer to. I don't know much about the subject, as I spend the majority of my time with deletions/restorations. INeverCry 21:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I did find full her name when I went back to leave a notification at Flickr thanking her and letting her know we used the image. I am not to worried about the user name issue on the other images, no one has told me they wre subject to deletion and they were all in good faith of course. Thanks, again. μηδείς (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

You might want to use this for uploading Flickr images in the future. INeverCry 21:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! μηδείς (talk) 21:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Sandy relief benefit concerts

I'm more comfortable talking with you than with VW about creating articles regarding three concerts for Hurricane Sandy relief. Two happened in New Orleans on November 20, 2012. The first one was NOLA Pay It Forward, which played at the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts. The second one was NOLA for NJ and NY: A New Orleans Hurricane Sandy Benefit Concert, which played at The Howlin' Wolf Nightclub. That one had a connecting raffle and silent auction. Here are a couple significant references; [5] and [6]. A third concert will play on December 12, 2012, at Madison Square Garden in New York City. It's bound to be 12.12.12 - The Concert for Sandy Relief, hence the date and the title. Here are a couple significant references; [7] and [8]. I hope I've provided as much appropriate information as possible for creating articles.142.255.103.121 (talk) 06:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll be glad to help you. Find references in local magazines that will be accessible on line. My only problem is I have a certification test Tuesday, a doctor's appointment Weds, a dentist appoint Thurs all on top of my normal duties. Basically as along as two printed refs exist per event we are set, so you can start article on your talk page and give refs, and when I can I'll help you make them up to standard and undeletable. I am very busy and have personal issues, so don't expect to hear back--I'll be distracted. Just get back to me late Wed-Fri when you have concrete info I can work on.

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μηδείς (talk) 07:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I think I found one more significant reference when I went to the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts website. Here's the reference; [9]. (NOLA Pay It Forward was arranged by New Orleans Mayor Mitchell J. Landrieu.) If you want to find more info on The Howlin' Wolf Nightclub, here's their website; [10]. As for the references you asked me to look for, the ones I gave you are the best I can find. The other day, I wrote to the two venues in New Orleans and to Madison Square Garden. So far, I haven't heard back from them yet. Hopefully, somebody at all three venues will write back to me soon.142.255.103.121 (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the sources you have given so far is that they are commercially or politically self-promotional ones. (Also, the Landrieu one points just to his main site-we'd need a link that pointed to the specific information. Promotional links like these are ok for factual reference, that a certain thing is on a certain date, etc. But to get an article started, we would need something showing independent notability. That is, some reviewer with a name in a big paper or magazine mentioning why they are notable, or a major news paper doing a news piece that is more than just a listing or current event. Without proving notability any article will get deleted extremely quickly, within a week, or maybe even the same hour its posted. What we can do is add this to another existing article if that article is already notable. For example, if there were already a Hurricane Sandy benefits article, we could add these to it so long as the links were verifiable. The truth is there probably won't be anything notable said about these benefits until they happen, so we might just have to wait and see what's written after.

In the meantime, do two things. First, look for an existing article we can add to. Read the Sandy article and comb it for links to an article we might use: benfits, charity response--you figure it out. Second, get better direct links to the exact info you want. The Landrieu page, for instance, may have had a mention when you looked which may have changed in the meantime. If we can find an article and get direct links there should be no problem adding this now. I do want to point out I'll be glad to give advice, but I am already pretty busy here, and my personal life will be very busy through the holidays at least, so I can give advice but you will have to do the research. μηδείς (talk) 03:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Two benefit concerts have already happened. The third one is bound to happen this next month. In the Hurricane Sandy article, there's mention of relief efforts. One was about Hurricane Sandy: Coming Together. The other was about Day of Giving. As for the rest, I did the best I could on finding significant references. Now I have no intention of being commercial or politically self-promotional about anything. I was only trying to give you some ideas, that's all. NOLA Pay It Forward benefitted non-profit organizations dedicated to Hurricane Sandy relief. NOLA for NJ and NY: A New Orleans Hurricane Sandy Benefit Concert benefitted the American Red Cross Hurricane Sandy Relief Fund and New Jersey/New York area non-profit organizations accepting immediate donations. 12.12.12 - The Concert for Sandy Relief will benefit the Robin Hood Relief Fund. 142.255.103.121 (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, but how can I find an answer to my question

I don't know if either of those women/actresses have official websites. Plus I'm wondering if you can tell me if the musical play Wicked will come to Seattle in the next few years? Neptunekh94 (talk) 05:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I have just as much idea as you about Seattle, and even less personal familiarity with the city. (Only place I've ever been west of the Mississip was Texas and Louisiana.) As for Xena, both she and Gabrielle drive me crazy. But sorry, no personal knowledge here of how to get anyone's signature. μηδείς (talk) 05:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

latin

Salve Medeis! Ut vales? Sum scriptor in vicipaedia latina (nam non dico latinam meam perfectam esse!) En tibi, vicipaedia (wikipedia latina) est nimius extremus. Quamquam in classica non sunt cogitationes 'identitas', 'antigravity', etc , sunt qua affirmant nos exprimere in 'classica' pura. Quod possim facere? --Jondel (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jondel. I can read it, but my Latin's not that good that I would attempt a long response to you in it. Since Latin was used well into the modern era, many new coinages were necessary. I don't think you should be too concerned if a term didn't exist in the classical era. A word like antigravitatio would seem perfectly acceptable. But I see your comments at the lang ref desk. My response to such an editor would be to ask him if he thinks such articles should be written at all, and if so, what words he would use. You might have to call a firewall a firewall italicized in English in the article and define it in the lead as literally a "parietem ignis", a wall meant to stop the spread of fire [11]. But antigravitatio is so obvious from gravitatio that if it meets resistance you might need to have an RfC followed by an ANI complaint if that doesn't work. If you are going to respond on this topic further I suggest you do so at the lang ref desk, I watch there daily and more people can chime in. μηδείς (talk) 17:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The feeling is antigravitatio would recieve a dubsig like identitas and so many words in similar situations, even if it is obvious these concepts did not exist in Cicero's time. We need to move forward. If the classical word exists in the dictionary, or 'New Latin ' was supplied by the Vatican or some Latinist author then great! However we are forced to coin. The 'identitas' case is not isolated. you say antigravitatio woul seem perfectly acceptable. I (we ) reaaly need support for that point of view, because there are extremists there. Finding the right word for firewall , etc is my(vicipaedia editor's) problem(after all I chose to edit at vicipaedia). I already mentioned this at the lang ref desk. thanks anyway.--Jondel (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I will probabaly use your lead for firewall e.g. Firewall(licet parietem ignis) est ...--Jondel (talk) 01:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Given I don't edit vicipedia, I an not sure technically what a dugsig is technically. And is there some sort of policy that requires fossilized latin only? Sounds unlikely. Could you both link me to the dugsig policy itself and to one of the problematic uses of it? I would certainly be opposed to a strict anti-neologism policy, given the use of such terms as entity and gravitation. μηδείς (talk) 01:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

uhh, I'd rather speak to someone outside the vicipaedia. I dubsig looks like this {{dubsig}} . The particular incident, representative of so many similar incident is this.

The reason there is a 'cultic' movement to use fossilized latin is because good latin is assumed to be classical. But it is taken to the extreme now, to the point that a lot of times when they see medieval or new latin, the article gets undermined or rated with a -3 , and I'm supposed to be happy with a -2. Typically, to get this perfect ratings, a lot of core ideas are amputated. It seems the guys who are good in latin tend to use medieval, while those who aren't are the ones who do the policing/censoring.

The dubsigs link to this.--Jondel (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Having looked at the dugsig page it does seem likely that tag might be abused. The problem is no matter who rational your explanation, you have to deal with editor and admins who may have numbers and time on their side. I don't know of any remedy for this. μηδείς (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Your pointiness

Why is it that for somebody who participates in discussions a lot, you appear to know remarkably little about Wikipedia talk page conventions? In the "dual articles" thread, the horizontal line and lack of indentation indicates that I'm starting afresh, and not replying in any way to User:Snow_Rise and User:Shakescene's comments (which to be frank didn't address what was asked too directly), and am instead going back to the original question. In contrast, your comment of "16:57, 2 December 2012" was a direct reply to my comment of "10:43, 2 December 2012", and my comment "17:35, 2 December 2012" is a direct reply to your reply. A horizontal line can appear before and/or after the whole "10:43, 2 December 2012" - "16:57, 2 December 2012" - "17:35, 2 December 2012" sequence, but not in the middle of it (as should be rather blatantly obvious). AnonMoos (talk) 05:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Mahna Mahna. μηδείς (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

New jersey question rephrased

Is there any "safe area" parts of Irvington? I know that city/township has a high crime rate bu does it have any safe areas like parks, beaches, or neighborhoods or schools? Venustar84 (talk)`

==Pardon me for asking, but does the Bronx or Manhattan have to do with Irvington?== New York City is not even the sate of New Jersey so what do with the question I'm asking about? Also I heard that Springfield Avenue that main street is safe enough to walk through out the day. Is that true? I'm only asking because I have a friend from that city who is living in a different city right now. Would alot of the population of that town be in crime? Also do you know anything about the crime rate in Abbotsford,_British_Columbia or Dawson_Creek? Thanks! Venustar84 (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

You should ask these questions in the mainspace, if anywhere. Please don't post more questions here. I do not want to, but will ask for you to be blocked if I find it necessary. μηδείς (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your encouraging comment. As a result, I may perhaps not wait the usual 6 or 7 days before making another proposal. But only this time. Esoglou (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Encouragement, when deserved, is a far greater moral imperative than criticism. μηδείς (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting

When removing references please also remove the definition in the reflist if it is the last usage of said reference otherwise you cause the large red Cite errors. Werieth (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. μηδείς (talk) 01:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Jalsha Movies

Thanks, I'll do it. --Tito Dutta (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! I have to find a nice hook first. Finding a hook has been a very difficult task for me. I have multiple articles ready at this at this moment, for example see much much better and bigger Bibliography of Swami Vivekananda, but without any hook.

This is a joke and don't take it seriously

With a DYK hook like– Did you know... in 2009 Kenyan car company Xomba Tomba Bazumba Hiri Giri Miri Giri celebrated 75 years of their establishment?, I generally respond– No, I did not know and do not want to know too! Yesterday, I first went to DYK zone and posted 2 noms. If you have any pending DYK, you can tell me. I promise, I'll read even if it is on Xomba Tomba..'s success--Tito Dutta (talk) 23:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well, I have worked as a professional hooker. Just do the nomination, link me to it here, and I will do the hard parts. μηδείς (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I have nominated it --Tito Dutta (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the copyedit.
• They put 400 horadings like this all over the city. I can see one in my nearest main road too!
• For the citation needed tag, please press Ctrl+F and type Mahendra" here, you'll get the quote, since I put 2 direct quotes already, I wrote this one in indirect speech.
• If you have any pending DYK nom, you can tell me! --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Business Standard is a newspaper, Capmaign India too. It is covered in Hindu Business Line, Press_Trust_of_India,(link not opening) Yahoo News etc too. "Hoarding" seems to be a British English, see here, the image link I gave above, see the title bar, they are also using the word "Horading". I am not sure if we should write the American English in bracket! --Tito Dutta (talk) 04:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

That's very interesting. Americans will think it is a typo or be totally confused, so I will add it in parentheses. As for the sources, I will rely on your judgment, I just wanted you to be aware of the possibility of it being an issue. I don't have any DYK noms now, but thanks for the offer. Given I have editted the article a good bit I cannot do an official review now, but I will put my opinion on the nomination. I will also think about a catchier hook. μηδείς (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Children Building Forts

Cubby-hole treehouse. [ da:hule http://mads.gemal.dk/blog/221/hulemand hobbit after the Old English Hol-bytla cubby or cubby-house was used as well as fort in Australia, but the materials of choice were rocks, branches, grass and galvanized iron if available, and it sandcastles Children's den Sons of Daniel Boone actually formalized the concept: boys were organized into forts (analogous to a Scout troop) who would build forts in the woods.xkcd strip 219: Blanket Fort calls them blanket forts, which I think you haven't linked yet. Wendy house

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Children Building Forts In my experience as a child, and interacting with other children now that I am older, the idea of using furniture, cushions and blankets to build a makeshift shelter, called a 'fort', seems universal. We don't seem to have an article mentioning the phenomenon. Is it indeed universal? Are such things called forts in other countries and regions? Is there historical mention of the activity, e.g., "As a child, the future Mad King Ludwig was fond of building forts"? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Cubby-hole isn't much in itself, but it might have some useful links. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 02:02, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I certainly did it largely out of furniture, but when I got older it included local construction debris nearby my house. Unfortunately I never had a treehouse. Shadowjams (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Is "cubby hole" what you call a "fort" when constructed by a child in Australia, Jack? The article certainly mentions the phenomenon, but doesn't mention the term "fort". In my part of the US, however, a cubby hole is a nook where one places one's jacket, back-pack, and perhaps shoes in the pre-school and kindergarten years, not something you construct or hide in. As for a tree house, we did build forts down the woods of various kinds with scrap lumber. But the idea of a tree house didn't really appeal to me or my friends after one of the Ward boys drove his Big Wheel out of theirs and broke half a dozen bones, missing an entire summer. μηδείς (talk) 02:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I have the same def of cubby-hole here in Detroit as Medeis. As for the tendency for kids to build forts, I'd list "building shelter" as traditionally among one of lifes most important skills, so it's no wonder children want to practice at it. In the current world, our ability to build shelter is less important, but still might save your life if you find yourself lost in the woods some day. StuRat (talk) 02:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Danish children don't build forts but caves (da:hule). See for example http://mads.gemal.dk/blog/221/hulemand which shows an example and says "Alle børn elsker at bygge huler" (All children love to build caves). PrimeHunter (talk) 04:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC) OH, what a darling link. If you want to see the spitting image of my sister and her sons (although the boys are a little more dolichocephalic given their Russian roots, and now have a sister) do check out this link to exactly what I am thinking about. Perhaps this is all just a matter of the psychology of scale. See the etymology of hobbit, also mentioned below. Perhaps we are all hobbits. μηδείς (talk) 05:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Note that while the name may be different, the result is the same. StuRat (talk) 04:49, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Damn! I've long harboured the belief that Danish kids construct miniature Elsinores and stand on the battlements proclaiming, "At være, eller ikke være, det er spørgsmålet ....".  :) -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 05:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Elsinore is actually the city (went to high school there and lives nearby). The castle is Kronborg but Shakespeare called it Elsinore. Hamlet#Plot handles his mess with a piped link. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Yes, my own OR suspicion is that this is nesting behavior, which is pre-human, and oxytocin-mediated. The two things that most interest me are, is "fort" building as I would call it universal in form among humans, or do some use sheets while other use pillows (or whatever) and what terms are used where for the activity? Do the brits call them forts? Do Californians? Do Enzeders call them lean-tos and build them with bedsheets? Or how about the French? How about tribes inhabiting tropical areas? As for the Danes, I wonder if Tolkien knew about the habbit when he named the hobbit after the Old English Hol-bytla. μηδείς (talk) 05:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC) cubby or cubby-house was used as well as fort in Australia, but the materials of choice were rocks, branches, grass and galvanized iron if available, and it would not be built inside a house but in nearby bushland. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Brit here: not forts although we do a good line in sandcastles. Cubbyholes, in the days when houses had cupboards under the stairs that's where we kept everything from coats to old toys. (We used to call it a glory hole but I understand that that's got an entirely different meaning these days!) Back to the original, I think I used to call it a "hidey-hole". --TammyMoet (talk) 09:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Another Brit here - for me growing up it was either a fort or a den, depending on what the game was that was being player. Fort if under attack from friend or sister, den if playing house or something similar... gazhiley 09:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC) Much of my childhood free time was spent in Epping Forest building "dens" (as in lion's den). Sadly, children here rarely have the freedom for that these days. Alansplodge (talk) 12:38, 15 December 2012 (UTC) WHAAOE: see Children's den. Alansplodge (talk) 12:39, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Yes, we call them dens here in the north of England, too, though it's quite a while since I've built one. Dbfirs 17:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC) The Sons of Daniel Boone actually formalized the concept: boys were organized into forts (analogous to a Scout troop) who would build forts in the woods. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I doff my coon-skin cap to them. StuRat (talk) 18:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I grew up (and still live) in Australia, and our backyard had a "cubby house" (a small, shop bought wooden house on stilts with a ladder to reach it, and approx 2 x 3 x 3m in size) and a "tree house" (a few pieces of wood for sitting in a medium size tree, I think there might have also been some rope involved). Inside the house my brother and I occasionally built forts/bases (we called them both to my memory) out of furniture, sheets, cushions, etc. I'm guessing that depending on the housing densities in wherever people grew up the names might have different meanings (as we've seen to be the case with different countries) HandsomeNick (TALK) (EDITS) 01:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC) xkcd strip 219: Blanket Fort calls them blanket forts, which I think you haven't linked yet. – b_jonas 14:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC) A pre-made house is a Wendy house. Boys are allowed in if they play nicely Itsmejudith (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC) That's fine. Wendy houses are for cissies. We never allowed girls in the treehouse, as they have damp hands and don't keep secrets. Wickwack 121.215.132.106 (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC) If Wendy houses are for cissies, does that mean forts are for transies? μηδείς (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please restore the text you removed without explanation

([12]) Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 08:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

If you see that sort of glitch in the future, feel free also to fix it yourself, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

ITN for Charles Durning

Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 09:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! μηδείς (talk) 14:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:PEACOCK

"Prestigious" is never an appropriate term- it merely attempts to give status without giving any specifics. In addition, it is completely inappropriate in the Popo case as the status of the victims schooling had absolutely zero relevance to the victims only notability: being attacked by a crazed man. Eugene certainly did not say "hey, i think i am going to eat his face because he went to a prestigious high school". We are not here to create hagiographies of victims. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:10, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

hard break

Hard

Break

ITN for 2013 Houphouët-Boigny stampede

--I hope I didn't cause you to edit-conflict too much (if at all :P). Spencer^T♦C 19:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Hilarious, I actually remarked to myself, "I can't believe I am not getting any edit conflicts!" μηδείς (talk) 19:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I didn't have any either. Maybe the software's smart enough that if you're working with different text or different sections it won't conflict? I thought it was curious too. Spencer^T♦C 19:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you will not get edit conflicts if you are editting under sections with separate headings, which is one reason they should be added as soon as logically justified, and why you should edit by section and not the page as a whole when possible. Even then it was unusual not to have any conflicts but to see your changes each time I submitted mine. μηδείς (talk) 19:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I will refrain for asking useless questions in the future. Please forgive my intuition and embarrassment. By the way, I'm female. I think good faith is a good idea. 06:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venustar84 (talk • contribs)

Reverted you edits, I think you made a mistake

I reverted your edits here [13] as this edit [14] in particular was I believe a mistake. You restored the RD to as it was early in December which I assume is not what you wanted to do. 07:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I wanted to restore the deleted material to the archives, but there were so many such edits it looks hopeless. μηδείς (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

100% correct

Hi, Medeis. I edit conflicted with your closure of that silly thread about sanctions on the US over gun control. Great minds still sometimes think alike. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Still reading Jourdain's book on music. Brilliant, which I don't say lightly. Gave my brother Cox's The Elements: Their Origin, Abundance, and Distribution instead. He'll get Jourdain for his birthday. μηδείς (talk) 06:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Shore nowiki ho

I like to keep all discussions about ref desk content on the ref desk or its talk page, is why I asked there.

I thought I sort of had the gist of your initial post, but I wasn't sure/shore. The 'ho' next to the 'nowiki' threw me, and I had no reason to associate 'ho' with 'shore', or to know that 'shore' meant anything like 'show'. I actually thought you were being mischievous and deliberately mispelling 'sure', but the sense didn't fit. Let's face it, you sometimes make what can only be described as extremely weird posts, one only yesterday. I don't have a problem with weirdness; I'm one of its greatest advocates. But I do like to understand what others are saying.

I ignore all that stuff about not being paid. Nobody's paid here. But nobody's forced to participate either. I don't hold with any approach that's even a 3rd cousin of "I'm not getting paid for this so I don't have to care about the quality of my contributions, and it's the job of my readers to work out what the hell I'm on about". Not saying that's your attitude, but you seem to be hovering around its edges. Bottom line: You may have known what was in your head, but it's folly to assume others are with you, particularly when what proceeds from your pen is somewhat unorthodox use of the language.

Have a nice day. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 11:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Had I caught that I would certainly have fixed it--There's no point in my posting gibberish, unless gibberish is called for. Like I said, neither word was challenged by the spell checker. And I was in no way miffed by your wanting clarification. My point about working for free referred to my deliberate choice in occasional circumstances (unlike that one) not to correct single unimportant misspellings like "unintrested" immediately after I notice them after a post because it won't affect anyone's understanding. (This instance, on the other hand, was just a rather big error I didn't notice.) The comment about working for free was was not meant to say that you as readers were not worth fixing things for, but that I'd rather actually contribute to something else more significant like a translation or to lend you my eyes on the Quiroga article than reopen the same edit box three more times to obsessively polish minor errors as I see them. It was really a side comment on how to understand my editing priorities if you see a minor missppelling on a talk page. Then, Later, if I do come back to that thread and open it to edit again for some other reason, I will usually then fix the error. Kind of like packing the car for a trip, turning the key in the ignition, realizing you left the toilet seat up, but leaving it til you return to go back in and close it.

As for the Alex Kingston free-association riff, that was just for fun, not me having a stroke, and totally unrelated to spelling errors. It's full of meaning but maybe not literally. If you reread the thread with the idea "full circle" in your head you may realise what I was saying.

PS, My use of "mister" in my response was meant to indicate I was being jocular and wasn't really miffed. μηδείς (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, then. Fair enough. We all make mistakes we don't notice till later. (I've only just realised I misquoted you, so I fixed it now.)

But please, when someone asks for a clarification, it would be good if you could just tell them straight out, rather than being defensive about it, let alone going the extra mile and making it their responsibility to understand rather than your responsibility to be clear.

Whether you were miffed or not never concerned me.

Nice weather we're having. I'm glad you're enjoying Music, the Brain and Ecstasy. I must get my copy back from my ex-boyfriend and re-read it. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, don't tell me you weren't also having your own little joke with that "what language is this?" quip, which is what prompted my "look mister". I am on the "enjoyment" chapter of Ecstasy. The book is very dense, and to be frank I have been using it as bathroom reading, so I have only been getting through a page a day since the summer. It's definitely one of the best non-fiction books I've read. I intend to buy it for my brother-in-law for his birthday. My suggestion is (unless you don't like him having it, or don't think he'll get more out of it--or my favorite don't think going to ask for it would make a good pretext for a quick rekindling) that you let him keep it and buy yourself another copy. I am looking forward to getting the same author's other books out of the library. μηδείς (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

No, no chance of a rekindling. We've both moved on. I've moved on twice, from memory. Or three times, depending on how one counts these things. But we're still great buddies and see each other when we can (geographically, we're mutually relatively inaccessible now). -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

large quasar group

hi, i noticed your contributions to the article, i was curious as to what you might make out of it. Due to its large size it doesn't seem to fit any pre-thought pattern in cosmology,,,?.thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I haven't studied astronomy in university, my interest is a a lay-reader. If you start a thread here asking for info about published information and theories on the topic I am sure you will get a lot of interesting speculation because several astronomers answer questions there. μηδείς (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

thanks,,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Just because someone is evil doesn't mean we have to accuse him of everey crime imaginable

I find it hard to believe that you cannot understand the difference between a political scandal like Abscam or the Iran-Contra affair and a sex scandal involving a politician. But rather than respond to your taunts with my opinion of you, I will simply remind you to remain objective and civil. I happen to think that Weiner has long been exactly what he has recently been shown to be. But that doesn't require me to use language non-objectively to attack him as if proving his evility was more important than using concepts properly. As I said, you are quite free to add any referenced material you like about how the matter is becoming politically scandalous. In the meantime, enough with the name calling already. μηδείς (talk) 03:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Thanks – albeit, belated – for your input and suggestions. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

What?

Link?

Point?

This has got to be the most unhelpful edit ever, especially with me apparently having asked someone somewhere to be objective and civil. Please, don't answer me directly if this is serious. Take it to an ANI and let me answer there. Reawakened two-year old comments here will be unwelcome and taken as attacks.... 00:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The Antichrist

The usage of The Antichrist is under discussion, see Talk:The Antichrist (book) -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Medeis. You have new messages at Vacation9's talk page.
Message added 02:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Vacation9 02:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Whould this better pictures of the creature help you to tell what it reminds you of

http://stardusting.nekomaki.com/?page_id=664 http://sailormoon.wikia.com/wiki/Thetis?file=CS012-383.jpg Venustar84 (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have no clue. μηδείς (talk) 19:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

ITN for 2013 Uribana prison riot

--Spencer^T♦C 23:16, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

lmfao

I wanted to let you know I got a good laugh out of your comment: "All entertainment at wikipedia such as that above" here. :) Shadowjams (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

"One can easily imagine a US tourist wishing that Scotsmen would 'speak English'"

A few years back here in Milwaukee we held a joint congress of the Canadian Esperanto Association and the main U.S. Esperanto group, then called the Esperanto League for North America. Two of the people in attendance were a mother-daughter pair from New Zealand, doing a world tour with a concentration on attending Esperantist events. Their hometown was a village somewhere in the New Zealand Alps whose settlers were apparently almost all Scots. The consensus among the Yanks at the congress was that, pleasant folks though they were, it was far easier to understand the ladies' Esperanto than it was their English! --Orange Mike | Talk 19:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I could imagine. I had the embarrassing experience on a trip with the high school German club to the German parts of Switzerland that it was much easier for me to talk with the locals if we both used ... French. μηδείς (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

In "Der Deutsch-Athen" everybody knows that Deutsch comes in a lot of flavors. We don't have a lot of Schweizerdeutsch around here, though; they are more likely to be found around New Glarus, Wisconsin. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Greek name

Is your name modern Greek, classical Greek, or koine Greek? What does it mean? Personally, I love Greek names, because they seem to be given with intention and meaning rather than "something that sounds good to the ear". The names from the Illiad and Odyssey and of the Ancient Greek philosophers are, in my opinion, quite lengthy but very beautiful (e.g. Aristophanes, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Xenophon, Telemachus, Eurymachus, Eurylochus, Lysistrata, Lysistratus, etc.). Are you fluent in koine Greek as well as modern Greek the same way a Chinese person may be fluent in traditional Chinese as well as simplified Chinese? Do you know how to read the New Testament of the Christian Bible in koine Greek? 140.254.226.240 (talk) 16:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

The name comes from Classical Greek, which I can make out with a dictionary and Grammar on hand. I took two semesters as an undergrad, and my prof wanted me to switch majors. Originally I want to use Ουτις, which means "nobody" from the story of the Cyclops whom Odysseus had told his name was "Ουτις", so that when the later blinded the former the Cyclops cried out "nobody has blinded me, no one has stolen my sheep" so that his companions did not come to his aid. But Ουτις was taken. so I picked μηδεὶς, which means the same thing, and sounds prettier.

Mark 11:14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν αὐτῇ· μηκέτι εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα ἐκ σοῦ μηδεὶς καρπὸν φάγοι. καὶ ἤκουον οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ

μηδείς (talk) 17:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I thought you were a Greek Orthodox person on the site, frequenting the reference desks. 140.254.226.187 (talk) 22:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Hm, I was baptized in the Byzantine rite, but not in Greek, and that was not the reason for me choosing that name. I do find Greek eloquent and elegant. In the real world most of my relatives do actually have Greek-derived names. But I am not Greek and cannot speak it. μηδείς (talk) 22:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Just a quick note

Just a quick note to say that I commented on the warning that you left at User_talk:Sneazy ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 18:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It's not my habit to obsess over such things, I am sure the user won't repeat his action--although I am surprised his English was good enough to want to change my spellings but not good enough to read the tags he removed. μηδείς (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I didn't see the previous changes to your comment as naturally I was just looking for the username, not an ip. In regards to their English, selective reading maybe, sometimes that's just the way it is :/ ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 22:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I did expect you had missed the two prior IP edits. μηδείς (talk) 22:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Left a note at Addshore's user talk that I think you should reply to. John F. Lewis (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	Mad props for Zhuang Zedong. Jayron32 05:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:2013_Russian_meteor_event#American_weapon

Have a look. --PlanetEditor (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For helping out a lot on the Wikipedia Reference Desk. Futurist110 (talk) 04:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I apologize for asking, but I'm just curious--are you male or female? Futurist110 (talk) 04:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I responded to your comments on my talk page. Please check out my response whenever you'll have the time. Futurist110 (talk) 06:43, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Charles Whitman article

Medeis, you stated "(that's a judgment call--the point for us is that this is a comprehensive encyclopedia, the fact is notable and referenced whatever our opinion of the ruling)", in regards to the blanking of the opinion of the Coroner who described Gumby's death as a homocide. I fail to see where comprehension should include questionable logic, just because it is sourced by a printed article where the writer is not an expert in the field, and the coroner may have been the proverbial "diagnoser looking for a source". If I recall, a Psychologist got his face on a few programs and in print because he diagnosed that Whitman, was suffering from Hypergraphia, possibly due to the tumor.

My point is it is inconceivable (therefore - not comprehensible), that Gumby (already a victim of the tragedy), gets an update over 35 years after the "facts", and he got to decide when he became a murder victim, by not continuing on a treatment program at his request, via a coroner looking to get his name in the histoy books, for a very controversial issue. At best it is a sidebar issue for discussion, not a matter of fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6007:27:29E8:7C13:746:17E3 (talk) 02:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The proper place to discuss this is the article's talk page, not here. I am leaving this note as a courtesy--I usually just delete comments about articles on my talk page. Post there and I will discuss it. μηδείς (talk) 02:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Images - technical questions

Hi, a new editor has asked me some technical questions about adding / changing images in articles but my technical knowledge is minimal. Can you help or do you know who I can refer them to? Thanks in advance. Denisarona (talk) 05:43, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Their question:

Template:Tucker Smith Revision Hi Denisarona. I'm quite new to this so please forgive my fumblings. I tried to add a photo of Tucker Smith to his page and the thumbnail image was (and is) coming up as a negative image. If I click on the photo, the larger view is fine but the thumbnail looks, well, odd. I took the image down, not knowing what to do next and you've put it back up and yet, it's still a negative image. I've tried to make changes under my old username but my password is not recognized and when I request a new password, no email is sent to the email address I've given here. I'd love for the photo issue to be resolved, he's my uncle and it would be nice if his photo can be posted. If not, it's okay. Thank you. ~rickkilroy~

Denisarona (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK? nomination review request

Hey Medeis, Could you please review this DYK? nomination of mine -- Template:Did you know nominations/Race and ethnic history of New York City. If not, that's okay, but please let me know what your decision on this is. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 00:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but could you give a better link? (I'll find it eventually, but I am as lazy as the next person). μηδείς (talk) 02:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Link is at Template:Did you know nominations/Race and ethnic history of New York City. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:47, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the flawed link, and thank you Guy Macon for giving Medeis a better link. Medeis, I have already fixed everything that you pointed out in this DYK? nomination of mine. I likewise chose to keep your previous edits in regards to fixing some of the minor things in this article. Please see my latest comments for this DYK? nomination and respond to them whenever you'll have the time to do it. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 03:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you again, Medeis. Futurist110 (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you again. Futurist110 (talk) 03:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you yet again. Also, if there's any DYK? nomination of yours that you want me to review, I'd be willing to try reviewing it to the best of my abilities. Futurist110 (talk) 04:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have responded to you again, Medeis. Futurist110 (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Composite image

Hi! Would you care to share your opinion about the composite/single infobox image issue here? I would really appreciate it. Thanks! --Life is like a box of chocolates (talk) 01:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

C. Everett Koop

Hi Medeis. To clarify, the "Career" section comprises three distinct subsections: "Medical career", "U.S. Surgeon General", and "Later career". "Koop Report" is not a subsection of Career, but rather a sub-subsection; in other words, it's a subsection of the subsection "U.S. Surgeon General". ;) Regarding the content you hid, I agree with you that it doesn't belong, so I just removed it. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:00, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

2013 Russian meteor event:

What do you think the meteor was? Angry birds? The Space Station? A UFO? It has been established it was an asteroid belonging to the Apollo group of asteroids. You know this, so stop being an asshole reverting this extremely well sourced fact. Have a nice day, BatteryIncluded (talk) 05:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

WTF are you smoking? Go bitch at user 212.139.104.161 - located in UK. I am in USA. Take your meds. BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, I take it that means you agree with my edit? Mea maxima culpa. μηδείς (talk) 04:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Dude! It was me who wrote "superbolide meteor" in order to please you, but someone deleted it because of the redundancy, as explained here [15]. Again: go fight with the right person. Really. -BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Dudes!, sources!, meteor!, hey? μηδείς (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

As I said, go bitch at that anomymous IP user. As far as I am concerned, the correct use of "asteroid" in the first sentence is all I wanted and achieved, dude. BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

2013 Shahbag protests

Please check the discussion here. I think it will be better to to move the article under "2013 Shahbag protests" title. Thank you. --Freemesm (talk) 14:35, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI

User talk:David Levy#User:Medeis --Guy Macon (talk) 00:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Chelyabinsk meteor

Medeis. Thanks for your comment on the Talk page on the Chelb. meteor. I'm not quite clear on one thing from your comment. Are you okay with "it quickly became a brilliant superbolide meteor" as I suggested?

The reason I ask is that you first said you like the way it is ("I have no problem with the current text."), which does not say superbolide meteor. Then, later, you include the text "...it quickly became a brilliant superbolide meteor" as if you approve of that particular wording.

Anyway, just asking for you to clarify. Cheers. N2e (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Northern Mali conflict (2012–present)

--Thanks additionally for the message on my talk page. Spencer^T♦C 00:59, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is User:Medeis reported by User:Guy Macon (Result: ). Thank you. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Hugo Chávez

--Sorry about that! Spencer^T♦C 01:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Medeis:
The above message's intended purpose is to inform editors that their work paid off, thereby encouraging further contributions. You obviously were aware that the ITN update occurred (and therefore didn't need to be informed), but you requested this "credit" at Spencer's talk page, which seems to suggest that you perceive it as a trophy bestowed upon editors by administrators. This isn't so. Anyone, including you, can post the message. If it's important to you, feel free to leave it for yourself. —David Levy 02:24, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought these were like barnstars, not just talk backs. μηδείς (talk) 02:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

They're primarily informative in nature. Of course, there's nothing wrong with taking pride in the accomplishment, and if you wish to use the messages as a means of informing others that you helped to update the articles, you're more than welcome to. But if one is missing, you needn't request it from an administrator (who possesses no special authority to post it); you can simply add it yourself. And if you happen to notice that another updater didn't receive a notice, feel free to leave one for him/her. —David Levy 03:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you give me a link or the fids for the credit template? Perhaps I can make myself the credit faery. μηδείς (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I just moved it to Template:ITN notice. (It previously was moved from Template:UpdatedITN to Template:ITN credit, which probably contributed to the aforementioned misconception.) —David Levy 04:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 19:24, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at Hugo Chávez. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Bbb23 (talk) 01:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• See also report here. The block was partly based on the nature of the edits to an article currently featured on the main page.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Medeis (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

Request reason:

The technical charges are a fair cop, but I ask that this block be reduced to 24 hours as unnecessary to protect the project. I see that the four last edits each in effect restored the material added in my first edit, and hence will admit to the basic charge. But the reason was due to cut and pasting material that was being moved and deleted during edit conflicts while I was trying to expand the death section to meet the ITN criteria--note that each new edit was adding new material and references--not because of any desire to establish some sort of preferred text. I'll gladly lay of the article for a week or however long if that's at issue. Thanks

Accept reason:

Looks like you "get it"; so prevention has succeeded. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 06:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• I'm glad you acknowledge the edit-warring and I'm also glad that you are willing not to edit the article for a week. I don't see your point about the "new material"; from my vantage point you were mostly trying to get in the same material over and over again. Sometimes, it was worded slightly differently, and sometimes you were also adding other material, but the whole thing about inflation, socialist rule, and murder rate was repeated I forget how many times. For that reason, I'm not inclined to reduce the length of your block. However, I'm going off-wiki and any uninvolved admin may do whatever they deem best without consulting with me.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks. My point was that I really had no desire to restore the specific material (which is from the AP source quoted) in my first edit per se or against consensus. What you (BBb23) call worded differently was new material added towards meeting the five sentence criterion of ITN listings--the requirement is five new referenced sentences of prose. I didn't even realize my first sentence had been deleted, and notice only now on looking at the edit history that well over 50 edits were made during the same period, and that user Kennvido, for example, reverted the article five times. (In other words, if he hadn't done that, my editions of new material would have simply been that, additions of new material about VP Maduro and the other information I added. But I am not complaining against him or his edits which I assume were in good faith.) I guess my point is that just as technically, one need not violate 3RR in order to be edit warring, one need not be edit warring in order to violate 3RR--especially given this was an In The News nomination by another editor which I was trying to make suitable for listing on the front page after it had been deleted as not updated. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 03:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
• I'm inclined to unblock completely or reduce...the block was rightly made; there's no fault with that. However, this block has already satisfied WP:PREVENTATIVE, and so unless any others object I would say that it can be lifted. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 06:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
  • As the person who reported Medeis (and who has been on the receiving end of multiple accusations that I am somehow persecuting her for asking her to not edit war or change other people's comments) I have no objection to the block being lifted; Medeis has always been good about keeping short-term promises made during requests to have blocks lifted, and I am sure that this will be the case this time as well.

I do have a concern about whether this unblock will encourage more problematic behavior in the future. For example, on 22:59, 8 October 2012 admin David Levy unblocked Medeis[16][17] in response to the comment "Please unblock me, you won't see me editing people's comments", and indeed for the short term there were no problems, but six months later on 02:25, 2 March 2013, Medeis was back at it, editing another person's comments.[18]

That being said, the above concerns really need to be addressed at WP:RFC/U, not here, and I am glad that the block accomplished its purpose and could be lifted. As I have said several times, blocks are not the goal. Medeis not edit warring and not editing other people's comments is the goal. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:SPI

Hello

Sorry, I meant to post this before and forgot. I noticed that you asked how to raise an SPI for one of the users I blocked? A sock of User:Timothyhere?

The best thing I can suggest is that you read WP:SPI which should explain everything to you. Basically the initial account, is a sockpuppeteer, any other accounts created after the initial account is blocked are called sockpuppets.

If you wish to open an SPI, then you can do this by visiting the SPI link I gave you above and by clicking where it says "Submitting an SPI case" and then follow the instructions it gives you. You can also do it by going to the user contributions page of the user you wish to report, on that you should see a link that says "arv", if you click on that and follow the instructions you should be able to report it that way.

In some instances when submitting a report to the SPI team, you may wish to request CheckUser. CheckUser is a MediaWiki extension which consists of a small group of trusted Wikipedia users who check things like IP address information. However CheckUser has very strict policies and procedures to follow, generally CheckUser will only agree to check a user if there is clear evidence of likely sock abuse and a good reason why CheckUser is needed to resolve the matter. Some good examples of where CheckUser requests have been successful can be found under the sockpuppet investigation page for Trueman31.

You don't need to do anything further for User:FMicronesian though as someone else has already reported them.

Any questions don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page :)--5 albert square (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

WISE 1049-5319 ‎

Hi μηδείς, the section has been deleted by another user. Another paragraph has also been added which lengthens the article again so I think it is still ready for posting. Perhaps the admins don't want to post something else so soon after the Pope. Nestrs (talk) 03:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk

In regards to the Timothy troll... I asked Nil to keep an eye open here. It is worth watching to make sure it's legitimate. Shadowjams (talk) 13:52, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The response at the ref desk talk seems familiar. There was at least another new account that was banned without much fanfare, and not referenced in the SPI, but shares some similarities. The editing times are distinctive, but they vary after a few months. I haven't looked at the new ones, but I think the checkusers know enough more to identify these. It might be worth letting them internally discuss if a wider block or edit filter is appropriate. Shadowjams (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Note

I think we might have some more "Timothy" socks running around the ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Well golllllllee! Suhprise, suhprise! lol. μηδείς (talk) 02:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Shazam! Well, I've asked a checkuser to look into this latest character or characters. We'll jut see what happens. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

sounds like a plan. let me knwo if you catch the troll.--There goes the internet (talk) 05:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

KO, I'll lte you knwo. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Troll

Link your evidence or stop hatting legitimate enough questions. What's wrong with what this IP is asking? --Onorem♠Dil 03:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll assume this is sufficient evidence. μηδείς (talk) 18:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

WT:ITN - abolish minimum update

Medeis,

I know we don't always agree, but I'm urging you please do not reply to "The Rambling Man". He has repeatedly demonstrated derisive, sarcastic, insulting troll like behaviour. He will not concede your point, will try and twist your words against you, will infer a meaning to your words then claim ignorance to that inference, and derail a thread with his constant "one-ups-manship". I know you've experienced this before, so have I, and so has 331dot. We can debate the validity of my proposal at WT:ITN, but from one Wikipedian to another, I strongly urge you not to take TRM's troll bait.

Cheers, --IP98 (talk) 19:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

unsolicited comment addressed to third party
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I'm a "troll"? I'm "derisive"? I'm "sarcastic"? Have you ever read WP:NPA? A triple breach. Troubling. (Even 331dot would agree, I'm sure! And I'm sure Medeis can take care of Medeis and doesn't need your advice....) The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

archive for when this goes to ANI
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
By the way, you have many unanswered comments at ITN where you appear to have either misunderstood things or made editing mistakes. Probably worthwhile you returning there to set the record straight. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK? nomination review request

Hello Medeis,

Could you please take a look at this DYK? nomination of mine if you are able to? -- Template:Did you know nominations/Urbanization in the United States. All you need to do is to approve the hook that I and BlueMoonset agreed upon and to check that I fixed everything that BlueMoonset last asked me to. Please let me know if you are able to do this. It should only take you several minutes, since BlueMoonset already did the checking for DYK? qualifications and whatnot. Thank you very much. Take care. Futurist110 (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

OK:

Here's the link for MA: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/cph-2-23.pdf

Here's the link for RI: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/cph-2-41.pdf

Here are the numbers for searching inside these reports:

4,808,339 for MA, 226,618 for RI

It says "Rhode Island 1" or "1 Rhode Island" on the bottom of the page. This is the page number, and it is the same for Massachusetts. It is Table 1 for both of them, so simply scroll down to the end of near the end, and if it says Table 10 or Table 20 or something, then simply go back until you reach Table 1 (the tables are in order, from 1, to 2, to 3, to 4, and so forth). I seriously hope that this helps. Futurist110 (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I support any changes that you made to this article of mine and I also fixed the pictures right now. Hopefully everything is good with this DYK? nomination of mine right now. Futurist110 (talk) 08:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I responded to you and BlueMoonset again right now. Futurist110 (talk) 01:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I responded to you again on my talk page. Futurist110 (talk) 01:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I've now proposed your ALT HOOK 9. Anyway, please comment and say (if it is okay with you) that you would approve of either ALT HOOK 6, ALT HOOK 8, or ALT HOOK 9. I'm fine with any of these hooks as well. Futurist110 (talk) 02:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I've responded to you again on my talk page. Futurist110 (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkbaclk

Further info on my talk page on something you wanted looked into. --Jayron32 01:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:EBERT listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:EBERT. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:EBERT redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). --Bongwarrior (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:EBERT essay

Hi Medeis,

This is a reminder to create the Wikipedia:Ebert Precedent essay. On a personal note, I understand your frustration at the blurb for Ebert. I agree that it was a mistake, but it was only a mistake. It happens. The way to "fix" this is to finally get some documented guidelines for RD up at WP:ITN/DC. I would be willing to try again at WT:ITN, but I got shouted down pretty brutally last time. --IP98 (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks

Nottruelosa (talk) 21:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

THanks. I cannot hold you resonsible for not knowing I am deadly allergic to kittlings, and only enjoy them cooked as General Tsao's Chicken. But it is certainly a cute, good faith picture. μηδείς (talk) 04:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Note

We might have yet another TimothyHere sock in Horatio Three Musketeers, or whatever his name is. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that's why I suggested someone with a name similar to that might want to request a check-user on himself, given the nature of his concern. Suggest you talk to shadowjams or nil einne. μηδείς (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice this one btw. I've been trying to watch for timothy clones but this one I missed. The MO is different, but given the history a CU seems reasonable (especially if you make clear that there's a very specific geo region to these socks that should make a CU check very accurate). Shadowjams (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Song from South Africa

Hi Medeis,

I seem to remember that you mentioned somewhere that you speak some language from South Africa. I have an earworm (triggered by some song on a cd of one of my children) of a folk song from South Africa that I learned about thirty years ago in a church group. I remember the lyrics as starting with something like: "Svamand nkosi". It was sung very slowly and if I remember correctly as a canon. Does that ring any bell with you? All my efforts to find that song on youtube or to google anything meaningful have failed. A search with "nkosi" usually only brings up South Africa's national anthem. I'd appreciate your help - if at all possible.--Zoppp (talk) 22:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk response

Regarding this edit, I didn't read Jayron's explanation in the same "You dummy" sort of tone that you seem to have. I saw it as him just adding a bit of explanatory info about the building and its significance. Just my two cents... Dismas|^(talk) 02:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Qapla' in Rocky Horror

I figured I'd reply here instead of the Ref desk since time has gotten away from me in my reply to you. I was referring to the voice-over audio commentary track, which features Richard O'Brien and (an increasingly drunk) Patricia Quinn. Helene O'Troy - Et In Arcadia Ego Sum (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha! Yes, thanks, I would not have noticed at this point had you answered there. If you are a fan and buy Blu Rays this transfer is quite excellent. μηδείς (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm quite a fan and I've been performing in RHPS shadow casts for many years. We haven't bought the Blu-Ray yet, mostly because we already have so many other versions (like the laser disc, which aren't even able to play!). Helene O'Troy - Et In Arcadia Ego Sum (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I just purchased a Blu-Ray playing computer. When the formatting is done right it is incredible. The Hobbit and Rocky Horror are truly beautiful. Unfortunately a lot of movies seem to be identical to the DVD version, like Helen Mirren in The Tempest (2010 film), or even VHS, as with Donnie Darko. My brother-in-law and I used to go weekly with friends. He knew people who did the floor show. I'll have to dragoon him to attend next time he's in town, or maybe after his kids come of age. μηδείς (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Medeis (a wonderful username) I am glad this thread is here. After taking part in the discussion that you started I took the opportunity to replace my lost DVD with the bluray of RHPS. In a fun coincidence it arrived today which is also Tim Curry's 67th birthday! So, of course, I had to put aside what I was going to do and pop it in the player. As Heleneotroy (another great username) says the mention is in the commentary track. O'Brien mentions that US audiences never understood the word hoopla. They then go to discuss the various meanings of the word and, at one point, they talk about its coming from the world of traveling carnivals. I was interested to find that the bluray contains the UK version as well as the US one. I don't know if there are any noticeable differences but I look forward to finding out. Well my reply here may be too late since you might have already listened to the commentary. But I feel that the whole thing is a delightful bit of serendipity as it might have been years til I replaced my DVD but for your question so I had to stop by and say thanks. With Dr Frank-n-Furter being 67 do you suppose he now wears support hose instead of fishnet stockings? OK a groaner I know but I couldn't resist. Cheers and have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 04:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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Excalibur

Hi

Your revert reintroduced peacocking [19].

I can see from the history of that article that there has been previous discussion on various issues, I am a neutral editor interested in ensuring POV remains neutral.

• one of the best-preserved surviving Norman castles
• a well-preserved Norman castles

The first statement, your reversion, says that there are some surviving Norman castles and out of those, this castle is one of the best-preserved.

The second statement, my change, says that it is a Norman castle that is well-preserved.

• The second statement makes no judgement as to the ranking of preservation compared to any other, the first states that it is in the "top 10" (for want of a better expression) of Norman castles.
• The first statement contains redundancy; it cannot be preserved if it does not survive. Therefore survive is redundant.
• If a challenge were to be made, it would be far easier to show is is well preserved, than trying to prove it's ranking amongst those that are still surviving.
• The first statement is peacocking as it implies it is "one of the best", but provides no evidence of this. It may well be one of the top 3 in Ireland, but perhaps not so high compared to the whole of Europe.

Hope this clarifies why I undid your revert. I realise that you may well think that there are other issues once you have read the changes I made after you reverted (I had already started before you reverted the previous one, and only saved it and found your reversion upon saving.

Hopefully we can discuss any issues on the talk page there. At present the plot is 1,100+ and I cannot really see how much could be removed to get it down to 900ish, let alone the 700 recommended, so would rather leave as is. Consensus between a few of us should be enough as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Plot

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 04:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I am going to revert you so that this shows up on my live sheet, then go to sleep.  I will then either revert my own revert, or give my reason again, and withdraw.

I understand that, but you reverted all my edits, not just that one unfortunately. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Request

Please, I was wondering if you can delete the entire section I post on the reference desk. Reply at my talk page please. Thanks Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Eurasiatic languages

Thanks for your helpful edits to Eurasiatic languages. Making/keeping that article neutral is a real chore and I appreciate any help I can get. (For the record, I find the existing critiques of Pagel to be rather lame and hope to replace them if/when real (peer reviewed) critiques come out. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. If you are interested in the topic and haven't read Michael Fortescue's Language Relations Across Bering Straight you should. I don't endorse it (or Greenberg), but it's the most in-depth and rigorous study of the topic of which I am aware. As for the article, I am a little concerned at the over-criticism of Greenberg. Most of his critics insist on a strict reconstruction, which he does not provide, but does not pretend to provide, either. Few of his critics claim his general hypothesis is actually false, which one might assume if he's not not aware of the subtleties. μηδείς (talk) 02:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I am new to the topic, so I will certainly check out the book you recommend. I don't doubt that many linguists accept the plausibility of Eurasiatic (and other superfamilies); the tricky part is nailing down some actual evidence. I certainly plan to include those who support Greenberg's conclusion as I expand the article (slowly over time). --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Joyce Brothers

Hi Medeis,

First, thanks for all the work you put into that article. I'm admittedly not very good at that, and fail to add coherent updates to my own noms. I'll also say that I've not read the large discussion at ITN/C (TL:DR). I know that sometimes it feels like you're being deliberately antagonized. My last user is buried at the gates of Jerusalem, so I know how heated discussions can get. It's really best to just take a break, and live to fight another day.

Cheers,

--IP98 (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Have I added something inappropriate somewhere? You will notice there is no emotional language anywhere in my edits. Or if there is, please let me know? μηδείς (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Nope, you're good. I'm just giving you some food for thought, that maybe it isn't that big of a deal. I'm totally uninvolved in this one. --IP98 (talk) 21:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd rather you state elsewhere that I have done no wrong than here. μηδείς (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Joyce Brothers Closure

Hi Medeis. As you were someone with interest in the Joyce Brothers RD nomination, I wanted to let you know that I have closed the Joyce Brothers nomination as 'no consensus to post'; you can see my rationale at the nomination closing statement. Nonetheless, I'd like to thank you for the work you put into improving the article. Best, Spencer^T♦C 04:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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continuing

Having been hatted by an admin here, after this discussion, he follows me to criticize this page where he was not active. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Note2

Monteithh (talk · contribs) Looks like yet another sock of Timothyhere (talk · contribs). The usual fascination with Jeffrey Dahmer and the like. I reported him to AIV, but it's probably going to need another SPI. Ugh. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Blocked. Other socks? Who knows? We'll darn 'em when they make themselves obvious. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I suspected this when I saw it ended in eith with repeated letters. Not very creative. μηδείς (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Or deliberately leaving that clue to see who was paying attention. Trolls will do that sometimes. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk2

The ref desk nannies are looking for scapegoats now. (Although Jayron, as usual, is the voice of reason.) And they've not considered this point: if they ban us from the ref desk, they'll have to find somebody else to yell at. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Medeis, I guess the above notification shows that you are already aware of the discussion. Please do drop by and add balance by giving your side. 184.147.118.213 (talk) 17:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation tags

While I appreciate your dedication to proper sourcing, I think your approach to scattering {{cn}} tags to nearly every sentence in Henry Morgentaler (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is unproductive and verges on disruptive tag-bombing. I'm trying, thus far unsuccessully, to come up with a good-faith rationale for this. Are you questioning whether he was born in Lodz? Or what his parents' names were? Both items are supported by the New York Times obituary, cited one sentence on. Did you read that source and fail to see that it supports the content? Help me out here, because I'm getting frustrated. MastCell ^Talk 19:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

This is very simple. New claims when they are mentioned, like Lodz, need referencing. If the NYT covers this, then addd teh ref name "NYT" or whatever it is named tag. This article is nominated for the front page. It has to be fully referenced. (IT has to be fully referenced in any case.) And the only solution is adding the cites. μηδείς (talk) 19:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, we agree on that. So please help add the cites, rather than just flagging the work for other people to do. How about this: before you tag something, spend 30 seconds checking to see if the fact is referenced in the New York Times obit or the CBC obit. If yes, add a link to the source. If no, then tag away to your heart's content. Does that sound reasonable? Because it would head off about 50% of the tags you've been placing and probably improve the editing environment as well. MastCell ^Talk 19:46, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, now this is just purely counterproductive and disruptive. We don't need a citation after every single sentence. No article on Wikipedia is written that way. No featured article is written that way. One citation can cover a few sentences' worth of info, particularly uncontroversial info like birthplace and parental names. I'm going to ask that you revert yourself there, or else I'm going to ask for input from WP:AN/I, because I'm getting frustrated and having a really hard time understanding how you believe that what you're doing is productive or helpful. MastCell ^Talk 19:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Some much deserved recognition

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		You have strong opinions about what is right and what is not, and you take a lot of crap for your opinions. Although I often disagree with you, I admire you for sticking to your convictions in the face of criticism. That said, you are also fair and willing to reconsider when presented with good evidence. For all these reasons, I hereby give you this barnstar ThaddeusB (talk) 03:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. You tear (rhymes with beer) me up. I am from years of abuse a huge bitch; yet still always a bitch in good faith. The occasional recognition is greatly appreciated. μηδείς (talk) 03:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ref desk

Hi, I already commented earlier on Steve Baker's talkpage regarding the why some references would be a plus. It helps prevent inadequate answers that can result in too much debate. If you want others to do better, it would help to walk the talk and set an example [by providing a reference with answers such as this [20]]. I removed my pointless metatalk[21] and I would hope you would replace your "this is desks at "its worse" [22] with more constructive remark(s). Thanks and cheers, I do enjoy reading many of your posts. --Modocc (talk) 02:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Your restoration at RD/S

I see that you restored your personal attack, i.e. "a one-purpose ref desk spammer", which I consider unwise and disruptive. I won't edit war with you, so I will leave it at that. -- Scray (talk) 23:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Since you asked why I would say this was a personal attack, here's the second sentence of the lead paragraph in the WP:NPA policy: "Comment on content, not on the contributor." Clearly, name-calling is to be avoided. So, you should delete the clause beginning, "...showing he's a ...". -- Scray (talk) 00:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I edited it but left the fact he's a one-purpose account. μηδείς (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

huh

idk w u sayin!?Harmonywriter (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

whered it go it aint on the thang no more i wanted to know what the verdict wasHarmonywriter (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Esther Williams

--Spencer^T♦C 20:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Damn, that was quick! Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying... :P Spencer^T♦C 20:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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Nicholas Roerich

Curious why you deleted 50k material from Nicholas Roerich in the difference citing NPOV as reason and mean time dropped some excellent pictures, categories and reduced the number of references from 54 to 4. The Legend of Zorro 13:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Roerich is one of my favorite artists and article. Much of the text I deleted was poorly written (perhaps promotional material translated from the Russian) that amounted to puffery or could not be verified and so forth. The pictures were deleted by others after it was decided that they were still under copyright protection. If you have more concerns, address them at that page's talk page. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

You deleted at least two high quality images which were neither copyright violations nor puffery ( see above). Also you removed all mentions of his Awards (given by Russuian Government). I have restored the previous 70k version in my user space and will work on it. Thank you. The Legend of Zorro 15:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but don't comment here again. People working on that page won't see what you've written here. Comment on the article's talk page. I suggest you consider either a separate article or a collapsible section for the awards, and only the major ones (ones other famous people have won.) μηδείς (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The article could have better if you selectively remove puffery but unfortunately you reverted to pre User:Deodarvostok version without assesing the article. A good faith advice that if you are reverting series of edits then try to retain the good edits because the burden falls on you. Re: No more discussion on this issue on your talk. The Legend of Zorro 16:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I discussed the edits I made at the time with another user, but it my have been on his or my talk page. This is a rather old matter, and I find your wanting to blame me for the article a bit off putting. I suggest you ignore what may have happened, and focus on what you want to happen. You will not find me difficult. μηδείς (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The article is now a complete mess now. I will try to at least reference it through google books. The Legend of Zorro 16:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

ITN credit

ThaddeusB (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Substantially is a relative term, though! μηδείς (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

to do test

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Three questions

• 1. What is your problem with my not being a newbie?
• 2. What do you mean "drama"?
• 3. How do you expect me to behave or "end the drama"?

I hope that you answer these questions. I am interested to hear your responses. I have to say that I know and have used Wikipedia since 2007 or 2006. To be honest, I have made contributions with this account and with various IP addresses. I do recall that I have once asked you a question about your username (not sure if I used a public or home computer), and you replied with the Greek origins of your name. I also asked at that time if you were Greek Orthodox, out of curiosity because I know that many modern-day Greeks don't really worship the ancient Greek gods anymore, and you replied no. That user was me. Sneazy (talk) 23:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with people not being newbies. But when your first edits imply a long edit history and a pattern of asking debate arousing questions (and questions you know are not requests for references) it implies you are a banned previous user. Drama is just that, trying to start a public debate on the talk page rather than bringing up a specific act here on my talk page which you are questioning. How I expect you to behave is, hopefully, to ask good questions and give good answers and abstain from inciting debate or asking for opinion. That is all on the ref desk guidelines and is nothing personal. As I said on the RD talk page, I reserve the right not to hold grudges and to treat you as perfectly reasonable when you are. I look forward to it--you do ask and say a lot of helpful and interesting stuff. :) μηδείς (talk) 23:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with the "banned user" comment. As a matter of fact, my first account is User: Coffsneeze. At that point in time, I was mainly interested in coloring.com, neopets.com, and wikipedia.org, making edits too. I also got an account on the Simple English Wikipedia by the same name. At the time, you actually had to make a new account; it wasn't automatic as it is today. Now, I lost it, because I don't remember the password of that account, and that account is no way connected to any e-mail address. At that time, I also met JackOfOz, and frankly, I'm quite surprised that he's still alive. All others on the Reference Desks seem to be somewhat new and unrecognizable. I made this account in reminiscence of my former account that I can no longer retrieve due to forgotten password and no e-mail address. Why didn't you just tell me about your concerns of my behavior on my talk page instead of inviting me on your talk page? We could have resolved this issue a lot sooner. :P

By the way, what are the things of mine that you have found helpful and interesting? Sneazy (talk) 01:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't really keep track, I just have an internal barometer that says "has been a pain in the ass on some things, has been interesting on others." It does actually surprise me that certain people do keep track of specific perceived slights, or that people decide once offended that nothing you ever do in the future will have merit or be defensible. So, sorry, I can't think of the last thing you said that I found problematic or helpful, but I will mention the next thing.

As for coffsneeze, no idea who that is. Ah, I was just about to say that I think that among others your religious questions are almost always borderline problematic as not treatable as reference questions, and usually obvious, if, say, you use google or actually call your local rabid/pastor/priest/monster. (And other stuff I haven't kept a list of does come across as blatant trolling. I think the response to your ref desk talk post makes it clear I am not the only one with such an opinion.) But that reminds me you asked a dumb provocative religious question a week or two back and had some excellent insights as follow-ups.

Well, bottom line is, I don't decide people are evil and then judge all their future acts only through that lens. Like I said, I'll tell you the next time you impress me, and will keep quiet unless there's some reason not to.

I am not a huge fan of talk page correspondence, so if you have a last question.... In the future, also, feel free to complain or question if you have reason. I hope this will be the start of a long and beautiful friendship. μηδείς (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

You are actually surprised, huh? I have observed that I can be very conscientious about my online reputation and real life reputation. To be honest, I really don't know why. I just know how people are feeling by the expression of their words online or subtle behavior offline, and when people in an online community express disapproval of what I say or do, I feel a sudden pang of shame and guilt. When I say or do something that I regret, I would feel utter remorse and try to think of ways that would make the other person think better of me. I am very conscientious about "saving face". It's actually a phrase on Wikipedia! On the Internet, other people would say, "Oh, it's the Internet" or "don't worry about your online reputation". In real life, other people would say, "Live and let live" or "do whatever you want". I never really got the logic behind that mindset.

I figure that I would stick to academic and scholarly questions. Though, to be honest, I once asked this question, and apparently, some people thought that the topic was too deep or broad.

Well, at least I know what is bothering you all this time, and I'd try to keep your concerns in mind. Sneazy (talk) 03:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree with about all that you have said. But coming to a static abstract conclusion is a grave mistake. WP is very determinative in this, since there exist only edits identifiable by diffs. One has to begin with a diff that shows a wictim. Only than can civil interests become involved. μηδείς (talk) 04:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what you have just said with all that jargon. Sneazy (talk) 05:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

DeHoopAntoin220

I gather you know some Russian. Do you think this guy is sincere, or just a troll? I'm thinking the latter, but I could be wrong. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

The Russian is obscure, slightly misspelt, seems like poetry, if not gibberish, and makes third person comments about unspecified subjects. The Dutch amounts to an apparently misspelt question about Snowden that if it makes any sense should be removed as NOTFORUM. "De Hoop" means "the hope" if that's a clue. μηδείς (talk) 17:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I did, in fact, remove his comments from that one talk page, figuring it had no place there. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Further on the R&I video

Unfortunately the conversation on the ref desk seemed to be taken over by anti-racist leftists. Since you seemed to be the only sane centrist there, if it is not too much trouble, can you give me further info on what you thought on the video and especially if a equalitarian type of government can work (the video suggested otherwise.) Thanks.

Were there a further question I might answer, but I am not interested in debating or inciting further debate. μηδείς (talk) 19:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't want a debate just you answer to the above question. Thanks for your time.

Reply to your replies on the reference desk

I just wanted to reply to the last two comments that you made here. I'm from New England, since you were curious about where two of Rand's books would be assigned in high school. Although my question "fourth-year undergraduate education", I'm a freshman studying for a science degree. — Melab±1 ☎ 02:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

That's reasonable. I double majored in science and philosophy as an undergrad. I'll repeat my suggestion you read Rand's Romantic Manifesto and the two books on the Art of Writing. Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology is perhaps the hardest book I have ever read--or, at least, I had to read it twice. μηδείς (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ref Desk Issue

I saw your comment there and I wanted to ask you if I am that unwanted around there? Please, reply in my talk page, or leave a talkback. Thanks and sorry the bother. Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Cuando me lo preguntes en tu nativo castellano te respondo. μηδείς (talk) 03:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Vi tu comentario en el escritorio de referencias y quería preguntarte si no soy deseada allí. por favor, responde en mi página de discusión o dejame un talkback. Gracias y disculpa las molestias. Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 13:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you going to reply? Vas a responder? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 18:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Estaba divertiendome ahora. Iba a responderte cuando habia cenado. Pero brevemente, el problema nunca reside en la persona, pero en sus acciones. Tu pones demasiadios preguntas, preguntas simples cuyas respuestas habrias facilmente descubierto si las hubieras buscado tu mismo en Google. Preguntas que buscan opiniones o preguntas subjectivas para que no hay referencias a proveer. La misma pregunta varias veces en la misma pagina. Todo eso es lo que hace un internet troll. Se que no estas confundido en esto. Algunos te han dicho que no me escuches. Pero son un minoridad que no van a darte problemas con nada. Hay otros que no van a tratarte tn suavamente cuando se hayan puesto arto con estes tipos de malas costumbres. Pa que sepas, no tengo problema contigo personalmente. Pero eso no quiere decir que voy a abstenerme de decirte bullshit cuando se merezca. μηδείς (talk) 19:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Supongo que usaste Google para traducir lo que comentaste, cometiste unos cuantos errores gramaticales. Para tu información personal, no tengo acceso a Google, foros o cualquier otra fuente donde puedan responderme las preguntas que hago, si no hubiera ido a Google. Las preguntas no las hago en la misma página, unas en la sección de entretenimiento y otras en la miscelánea, pues no obtengo respuesta alguna. Lo que deberías haber hecho desde el principio era explicarme que lo que hago es una mala costumbre y no burlarte, pues si te habrás dado cuenta no soy ningún Troll de la Internet ni pretendo serlo. Por favor, no utilices más la expresión Pa que sepas, suena como si estuvieras amenazando. Trata de ser más condescendiente con los nuevos (como yo) que no están acostumbrados a las reglas del Escritorio de Referencias. Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 19:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Mis errores son mios, aprendi Espanol en la calle, no la escuela ni de mi madre. (Si hubiera usado Google, habrias visto las tildes, no?) Ya sabes lo que nos molesta, y no solo a mi. Aun que no seas troll (espero que no) son las acciones que importan. Y pa que sepas, nadie me ha nunca dicho que esta frase fuera amenaza! μηδείς (talk) 20:17, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, ya veo. Amenaza no fue la mejor palabra. Tú estás enojado conmigo? Por alguna razón, el tono en tu respuesta me lo dio a entender. Por favor, no tomes mi conducta como algo hecho a postas, son errores de novatos, que con una buena explicación. Ahora sé que dirigirme al Ref desk de entretenimiento es en vano, pero si hago mis preguntas en el Misc. me dicen que no es el lugar apropiado. Algún consejo? Podemos hacer las paces? Te tengo que tratar como ella o como él? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Por la ultima puta vez! No estoy enojad contigo! (Chisteando). Hay dos cosas. Cuando la pregunta sea claramente sobre entratenemiento, debe ser localizado en entertainment. A veces no te dan respuestas porque no saben la respuesta o porque la piensan demasiado vaga, o que no merezca respuesta por otra cosa. La otra cosa es que nunca debe ser mas de una copia de una pregunta por una vez entre todas las paginas de referencia. En el futuro, cuando hayas preguntado algo y ha pasado una semana podras preguntarla otra vez en otra pagina. μηδείς (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Gracias Medeis... Please, can you sign my Guestbook? Puedes usar el Español o el Inglés... Incluso el Irlandés ;)... No dijistes si eras un él o una ella. Great userpage btw! and you have a good street Spanish :) Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, pues, aqui no me identifico como mujer u hombre porque he tenido problemas con eso en el pasado. (Alguien me buscaba fuera de wikipedia como stalker.) A mi no mimporta como me tratas con tal que me tutees. Pa que sepas, mi nombre medeis quiere decir "nadie" en griego. μηδείς (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Uf, eso debió ser terrible (lo del stalker). Sorry about that. Qué Español aprendiste?... tu forma de escribir se parece mucho al argot cubano (no mimporta y pa que sepas). Ya te dejé el link a mi guestbook feel free to sign it anytime. Y per request :) te tutearé, pero... no prefieres hablar Inglés? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Lo mejor parte de mi familia es Ruso, ningun Latino. Hasta que tenia 4 annos yo vivia en Puerto Rico y Texas donde trabajaba mi padre. Cuando me mude al Norte se me olvido hablar espannol hasta que fui a trabajar con Mexicanos como teenager. Y cuando sali de la universidad fui a vivir en Nueva York donde he pasado mas que veinte annos con los Dominicanos. Una vez cuando tenia como veinte annos conoci un muchacho de Mexico en una barra aqui en los EEUU que me pregunto donde yo vivia en Oaxaca. Fue por mi accento; no he nunca visitado a Mexico. A veces digo algo un poco extranno. Estudie frances y aleman en la escuela. A veces cuando no se o no puedo recordarme una palabra en espannol me pregunto como se dice en frances e intento traducirla o convertirla de frances. Por eso, una vez estaba con unos amigos Mexicanos en el parque (hace 25 annos). Tenia sed, y seguia diciendo, quiero agua, que me digan si veen una fontana....donde esta la fontana? (Fue porque en frances se llama la fontaine) Despues de mas que una hora alguien dijo "aqui esta la fuente. Le pege el brazo y le dije, pendejo, como voy a mejorar mi espannol cuando tienen verguenza de corregirme? μηδείς (talk) 00:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Es una historia graciosa. Eres un experto en idiomas. cuando yo sea mayor quiero ser como tú. Gracias por tu firma :) Y Go U2! :) Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 11:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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• Okay, so basically an automated message typical for new pages. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

First line of defence

Hi, Medeis.

One of the problems I have with your approach to human communication is how you tend to respond to any issues others raise about your actions. Your first line of defence is usually "What on earth are you talking about?" or similar. That is a flat-out denial of what the other editor is saying. But worse; it's like saying "Your point is so logically absurd that I can't believe you're making it in good faith". That is, you're more-or-less suggesting there's some other agenda at work. And then you go on to talk about how whatever you've posted was in good faith. That is, you assert your own good faith but covertly and without any evidence deny it of others. It's a total lack of respect towards the other. That, anyway, is how I receive statements like "What on earth are you talking about?".

Wouldn't it be better to respond in a way that actually acknowledges (or at least does not deny) that the other, whoever they are, has a legitimate concern that they have every right to raise, and is acting in good faith? That is, unless you have clear and objective evidence that that is not the case? It's fine to disagree with whatever point they're making, and it's fine to defend your actions, but it's not fine to suggest that a point has no intrinsic merit and it therefore proceeds from something else such as personal bias against you. You may feel a level of insecurity and the need to defend yourself from perceived enemies, but that does not equate to random others actually being your enemies.

My sole concern at the Ref Desks is always to ensure they work harmoniously and effectively. If that means shining the spotlight on a particular editor's actions, so be it. I can't speak for others, but my spotlight is always, always on someone's actions, never on them personally. And it works in reverse, too; I've had a decent number of spotlights shone on my actions by others. I can't say I particularly like being shown up as wrong; it's embarrassing and uncomfortable for a know-all like me. But I never feel that I am personally being disrespected in such exchanges.

Maybe have a think about it. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write this. I am still, frankly, surprised, that you thought I was trying to insult the OP in the last matter at the ref desk. But I do accept you are acting in good faith, even if I think you may be a bit over-sensitized, and should not always view everything I say in the light of my previously have disagreed with you on other matters. Thanks for the outreach. μηδείς (talk) 22:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for acknowledging my good faith. I have not denied yours in this matter. I have never said you were "trying to insult the OP". But sometimes, we can cause offence without meaning to. To allay your surprise, let me see if I can explain my position a little more clearly and then this can go to the rest home it yearns for.

The OP did not say they "actually like" IMdB. On the contrary, they said they've "grown disenchanted with it". They went to the point of explicitly stating they were not giving their reasons. The entire point - the entire point - of their coming to the Ref Desk was to find another site that gives similar information. If they wanted to resolve their issues with IMdB, they would have asked for precisely that. It's like when an OP asks a question, and says they are not interested in anyone's opinions but solely in published references, and the first respondent starts out "I think ...".

Look, I appreciate you were trying to be helpful, for what that's worth. But don't you see how misguided such attempts can sometimes be, when you meander completely away from the point and try to second guess the OP and answer not what they've asked but what you believe they're really asking, or what you believe they need to know even if they didn't ask for it. There's zero evidence the OP wants to resolve their issues – whatever they are – with IMdB. There's zero evidence the issue has anything what(so)ever to do with spying. But even if that were the OP's real reason for asking the question, can't you see that just barking commands at them ("Disable cookies and continue to use IMDB") is really, really, really rude? And can't you see that statements like "It's not like they're the NSA or something" are offensive, patronising and down-putting? The first rule of good writing is to put yourself in the reader's shoes. It's curious how, in the act of trying to be empathetically helpful at one level, we can exhibit an amazing lack of empathy at another. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:59, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I do take your point. The NSA comment was meant sincerely if lightheartedly--I do know people who have fears of which that's an exaggeration. And the actually like IMDb part was in response to you, not part of my original statement to the OP. You'll also note that I took your concern seriously, and expanded my original post to make it less abrupt before I was aware you'd started a talk page thread. At this point the OP has posted again on the same page and not complained about my response. In any case, like I said I will apologize to him if he expresses upset. -Me(deis) μηδείς (talk) 00:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Restoring duplicate contents

Much of the contents in everclear article you put back in is duplicate was duplicate spanning across multiple articles. The state-by-state law thing is addressed in rectified spirit and the other user's suggestion "add see also" should have been considered. You also introduced garbage spam doorway page which is WP:ELNO and not WP:RS. Why? Cantaloupe2 (talk) 23:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Miguel Treviño Morales

Hi, Medeis. Do you think I should add "reported", "alleged", or "supposed" ... former Mexican drug lord to the intro of the article? I'm thinking of doing it but thought I should get a second opinion from you before jumping to it. Gracias, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 00:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I am loath to get involved in the article, too much on my plate as it is. I am short on the facts. If he himself has claimed the title no qualification is necessary in the lead. (NO one at ITN has suggested he has claimed the title.) If the police have called him that, then alleged is standard. If the press have called him that, or others have, they should be named in the article body ({{WP:ATTRIBUTE]]) and then "reported" can be used in the lead. "Supposed" is no good, we don't do supposition in BLP's. If it is both alleged by police and reported by the press then alledged is better as it is the more specific term and official action. μηδείς (talk) 00:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I added "alleged" to the intro. I might just go back and double check other articles and add the word alleged too... Good day, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 00:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Tienes un mensaje, Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Chequea mi talk page. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Otro mensaje :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Gracias por el mensaje. Ya entendí. See you later alligator :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the book recommendation

Thanks. I've already known about the book's existence. I'm partly familiar with Ayn Rand's history of philosophy (Kant → Hegel → Marx → everything bad in the 21st cetury) and I'm skeptical of the way she impugned Immanuel Kant, though I understand how one might see a connection between him and postmodernism. The forum that I mentioned here actually has quite a few Objectivist scholars on it. One of them is a bit more positive about Kant. — Melab±1 ☎ 19:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The interesting thing is, Hicks doesn't have to push the Randian point, it's all right there in the other philosopher's own words. I do find her Kant bashing offputting, largely since it is obsessive and unsupported in her own works. Bad press like that (hers for Kant) makes you sympathize with the one being attacked. (I also think Hicks gets Nietzsche wrong to a large extent.) I just finished reading Hick's book last month. If you have not actually read it is actually very good, not something I say just because of my Randian sympathies. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Random "Talk: you have new messages" messages?

After someone left me a real talk page message, I stopped getting the fake thing. Perhaps this message will resolve the problem for you as it did for me. Might help if you'd report at VPT what happens after you get this message, especially if the fakes continue. Nyttend (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

That's weird I got two real messages and only one talk notification. But it does seem to have stopped thanks. μηδείς (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

OMG! OMG OMG! OMG MOMG OMG! What is this? Can I stop freaking out? (Thanks.)

If you don't want to add to the drama, there is no need to comment. Thanks. --Onorem (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

One can have a little fun panic every once in a while. μηδείς (talk) 23:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Sección borrada

Si es posible, necesito que me des tu opinion en una sección que yo misma borré del Ref Desk, buescala en la Historia. Post it in my talk. As they said, that's not a question for the Ref Desk, but I want some opinion. I need to solve a problem in my novel :) Thanks in advance. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dejé un mensaje para ti en mi Talk page! POr favor, no envíes ningún correo. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:53, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Estas por ahi??? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Nixon?

Hi Medeis. You just renamed the redirect Mason-Dixon line to "Mason–Nixon line". The article was already in the right place (Mason–Dixon line), so I have reverted the inadvertent tribute to Tricky Dick. :) Favonian (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

... and Charles Manson?? Is this what you consider a plausible misspelling? Favonian (talk) 20:01, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Henry the Hexapus

Perhaps English is not your native language, but in any case "tourist" is not, in any way, at any time, in any place or under any circumstances a "racist" description. It can be used pejoratively, but that depends entirely on the situation and how it is used. To describe a person who is a resident of one country who is vacationing or having a holiday in another country as a "tourist" is perfectly acceptable. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I am fine with your using vacationer. (Using "tourist" to hide the fact he's a Greek in Greece is indeed reverse racism--but "vacationer" is fine. μηδείς (talk) 01:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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El Manantial

No pude encontrar el libro. Parece más difícil de lo que pensé :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

La autor (si se puede decir "la autor"?) Ayn Rand es Rusa que nacio antes de la revolucion comunista. Mudo a los EUU durante la tirania de Stalin y escribio tres novelas, Los que vivimos, una autobiografia ficcionalizda de que se adopciono dos peliculas italianas: "Noi Vivi" y "Addio Kira", y las novelas que ya te he recomendido, El manantial, y La rebelion de atlas. Son muy conocidas como anticomunistas. Pero la politica no es lo que importa con esas novelas. Son muy romanticos con argumentos muy complejos y divirtiendos sobre el amor y las relaciones humanas. Cuando te guste Stranger in a Strange Land, ellas te van a placer mas. μηδείς (talk) 19:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Entiendo. No, se dice la autora :)... Tendré que darme por vencida en encontrar los libros. Dime algo; tienes conocimiento de cómo nominar un Portal a Featured Portal? he estado mejorándolo. Qué te parece? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

No, no se nada de portales. Hay que preguntar a "help" or "ref desks". Intentas a leer toda la novela "Stranger"? μηδείς (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

estoy en eso. Cuando el trabajo me lo permite. llego muy cansada a casa. Cuando lo termine te lo harésaber. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Y que tu haces de trabajo? μηδείς (talk) 20:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Trabjo como informatica :) hasta que haga las pruebas para entrar a estudiar sociologia en la universidad de la habana Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

meaning

Thanks for pointing out the best answer. I have a doubt; what's the Spanish for The question draws sympathy? Thanks again. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Technoquat

HELLO! Just to let you know that I've mentioned you in this Sockpuppet investigation (not as a sockpuppet yourself!) - and it looks like something you might be into watchlisting anyway. Horatio Snickers (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

CA3's block

This section and the links it contains should answer your question. Sorry if my hatting at RD/S was frustrating, but that is the wrong place to discuss this. -- Scray (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

This is relevant, too. It really was a remarkable, protracted slide into surrealism. It's hard to convey how frustrating it was at the time. I agree that knowing about this helps one understand folks' reaction in current context. If you want to see more, just search for the user's name (quite distinctive) and "spelling" or "apostrophe" - there's plenty in the archives. -- Scray (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't mind the hatting. I've had a certain user try to correct my grammar often enough it was fun to yank his chain a bit. And not that I am really interested in wading into that tarpit, but I assume there must be a lot more since then to justify the continuing block. Looking at his contribuitions, CA3 he was a way-above-average contributor. μηδείς (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

CA3 was a great contributor in some ways; however, sustained disruption combined with WP:IDHT can sink anyone. The contributions delayed but didn't prevent the fall - very sad. -- Scray (talk) 01:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Kind of Talkback :)

You got message on my talk :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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You have a lot of nerve

Trolling? Do you think that I’m an idiot? How was I trolling? Is asking sexual questions trolling? Did it cross your mind for a nanosecond that I may not have been trolling? Is there a sliver of consideration in your brain that you might be paranoid? You are really pissing me off. If wanted to troll, then I’d go to a chan board. --66.190.69.246 (talk) 23:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Diff [23]. μηδείς (talk) 23:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea why you would think that I was advocating rape. If you knew me, you would know that I never advocate any sexual abuse under any circumstances. You still haven’t explained anything, you are just being annoyingly arrogant. Look at my contributions: do they look like something a typical troll would make? Please unlock the discussion. --66.190.69.246 (talk) 23:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You are just so obnoxiously sure of yourself, aren't you? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Humanities ref desk

I'm intending to delete that entire sermon, plus your brief response. If you disagree, feel free to add it back. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Feel free. μηδείς (talk) 00:47, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles

Since you participated in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese)/Archive 2 you may wish to be informed of Talk:Gia Bình District#RfC: Should non-exonym Vietnam geo article titles have Vietnamese alphabet spellings?. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:57, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

In popular culture sections

You do realize that we don't allow popular culture items to be cited to primary sources, right? The pop culture reference must be significant enough to have been discussed in a third-party reference in the context of the subject of the article it is being placed in. That's how we make sure that they are notable references and avoid accumulating long list of trivia, which this is.

See WP:IPC for details. Yworo (talk) 19:58, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong, that's an essay, not a policy. The policy is that the article must be notable enough to be recognized in secondary or tertiary sources. Separate parts of the article require only sources, which may be primary. μηδείς (talk) 20:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

And policy says we don't use primary sources. The essay is based on existing policy and is absolutely correct about how it should be applied. The main question to answer is, How does the addition of an item enhance our understanding of the subject of the article. If that can't be answered, it's trivia. So tell me, how do those pieces of trivia enhance our understanding of "Kilroy was here" rather than just being random details about "other stuff"? Yworo (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Nope, you're wrong. We don't allow the accumulation of pointless trivia under "In popular culture" sections. Yworo (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My argument has not changed. The quality of the sourcing is how we tell whether a reference is significant vs trivial. Yworo (talk) 22:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My talk page

Please don't repost messages I've removed from my talk page. It's rude. And against WP:TALK. I noted that I had read it in my removal, and that's more than you are entitled to. Yworo (talk) 22:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Again, please don't restore messages I have removed from my talk page. See WP:OWNTALK. "Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages". You can be blocked for breaking 3RR on my talk page, and I will report it if you do not stop. Piss off. Yworo (talk) 22:33, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Olnly

Hi Medeis.

I read your recent comment that you pronounce "only" as "olnly". I've known a few people who do this, and I'm always left wondering why they go out of their way to make it harder for themselves than is necessary.

In a building I once worked in, we had regular fire drills and practice evacuations, and the warden would announce over the PA system beforehand that it was "a fire drill olnly". Nobody ever knew her name, but she became known as "Ms Olnly".

So, I'm wondering if you can enlighten me why you do this? Was it the way your parents spoke, for example? Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:18, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I have to assume it is my native Delaware Valley or South Jersey dialect. I will see if I can elicit a pronunciation form my family without them being self-conscious. I suspect they say the same thing. It would be a form of phonetic assimilation caused by anticipation of the /l/ phoneme, which shares more characteristics with /o/ than it does with /i/. For example, Belgrade is actually Beograd in Serbian. I actually remember being shocked to learn that "uninted" was spelt "united". Have you ever heard the prior form? μηδείς (talk) 21:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. It reminds me of "annointed". How old were you before you realised you were not a citizen of the "Uninted States"? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 01:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I've never heard anyone use "olnly" or "uninted". I would wonder about the quality of their education, if I had, that neither family nor school ever corrected them. Bielle (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I graduated 6th out of 500, got an 1800 SAT. I think the pronunciations are part of the South Jersey dialect, since no one has ever corrected me--although I have had New Yorkers correct me for saying "farhead" for "forehead" which is typical of the Philly area. (Whereas New Yorkers say "foward" instead of "forward".) μηδείς (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

@ Jack, It would have been the third grade, since we hadn't studied cursive yet, but I remember actually being shocked, as the word was something I thought I already knew properly. I turned nine in the middle of the term. Sad to say this is the only thing I remember of Mrs. Hatton's class. Of course, I dated a girl I met when I was 20 who said "nucular" and, ... "pixture." Yes, 18 and she said "pixture". But she was the valedictorian of the Catholic school my sister went to. μηδείς (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

You should of [sic] aksed [sic] her if she reconised [sic] she was talking wrong [sic].  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, God. Yes, she also said aksed. Her mother was cultured, but her father was a drunken Irish lout, which I say olnly because he was a drunken Irish lout. He was convinced the Beatles, as Brits, were involved in the assassination of Kennedy. We dated for ten years--a really sweet girl once she started talking proper. μηδείς (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't challenging the quality of your education; after all, I have never heard you use either pronunciation. :) "Nucular" I have heard, most often from an unlamented former American president. I have also heard "jag you ar" - 3 syllables instead of two. The same people are apt to say "bye ling you al". "Pixture" is also new to me. I wonder that no teacher would ever have corrected her. Bielle (talk) 03:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I was actually quite privileged to attend what was the best high school in South Jersey at the time. We had Rutgers professors offering Biochemistry, British History, and various other courses including my AP English class (in which we regularly discussed German, French, Greek, Latin and Old and Middle English) that were based on university level curricula. μηδείς (talk) 03:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Mistake? Or did you intend this to happen?

Should I assume good faith here? Dismas|^(talk) 03:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

If you see this again, it is some sort of browser glitch. μηδείς (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

Hello, I'm Slawekb. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics‎ without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, you can use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Sławomir Biały (talk) 02:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I commented at the talk page, I believe. μηδείς (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

My bad. In the future, please use an edit summary to avoid such misunderstandings. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I didn't think it would be possible for anyone to react more quickly than I would put the talk page comment

philly dialect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami/Automated_archive#Philadelphia_dialect

Finno-Ugric

Hi μηδείς and thanks for your comment on Wamikagami's talk page about the term "Finno-Ugric". You may be interested that I have raised the issue at Talk:Uralic_languages#Finno-Ugric. Cheers and thanks again, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 20:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

ITN for 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots

--Spencer^T♦C 00:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

You have message :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding...

...this,[24] all I can say is, "You beat me to it!" The OP lobbed a softball and you took it downtown. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Medeis. You have new messages at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates.
Message added 21:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

It is kindly suggested that you retract the personal attack you made at WP:ITN. v/r, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

perhaps, but please provide a diff, since I am unaware of which edit you are referring to. μηδείς (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

ITN/C

Let's be clear here - I removed your PA, and you've just immediately repeated it. Saying someone made a racist comment == someone is racist. Please redact your comment now, or ANI is the next step. Black Kite (talk) 22:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Black Kite (talk) 22:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you for 24 hours for edit warring. LadyofShalott 03:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't accept the validity of that block. Attacks against Americans are personal insults and there is no ground for restoring such comments. You and other univolved administrators have inserted yourselves with no reason, while the involved editors had not commented n the proposed solution. μηδείς (talk) 03:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to withdraw

Your attention is drawn to this edit. I expect a reply. MonumentallyIncompetent (talk) 03:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)