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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 14

Morten Knutsen

... that when footballer Morten Knutsen left Odd Grenland because of persistent injury problems, he joined FK Arendal, only to immediately sustain another injury?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 11:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; Norwegian source taken in good faith. Awadewit (talk) 14:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Nobel laureates affiliated with Imperial College London

... that of the fourteen Nobel laureates affiliated with Imperial College London, Frederick Gowland Hopkins (pictured) was the only laureate not a member of the faculty?

Created/expanded by Sephiroth BCR (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and source verified. Awadewit (talk) 14:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Élie Bouhéreau

... that in 1697 Élie Bouhéreau brought the records of the French Reformed Church at La Rochelle to Ireland, where they remained for nearly 200 years, to save them from destruction?

Created by Scolaire (talk). Self nom at 10:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; offline ref accepted in good faith. Awadewit (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Nobel laureates affiliated with Johns Hopkins University

... that the first Nobel laureate affiliated with Johns Hopkins University was Woodrow Wilson (pictured), who received his Ph.D. from Johns Hopkins in 1886?

Created/expanded by Sephiroth BCR (talk). Self nom at 07:47, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source does not say he received his dissertation in 1886 nor that he was the first affiliated with JHU. Awadewit (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also... I can't help but think the length of this article's intro has been artificially inflated by including lots of extra detail about Nobel prizes rather than leaving most of it on the other side of the Nobel Prize link. I don't have experience writing lists like this so maybe that's just par for the course, but I thought I'd at least point it out. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brownsnout spookfish

... that the brownsnout spookfish is the only known vertebrate that uses a mirror to focus an image in its eyes?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 07:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and source verified. Interesting! Awadewit (talk) 14:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Antelope Ground

... that the Antelope Ground, Southampton was a sports ground that featured largely in the early history of both Hampshire County Cricket Club and of Southampton Football Club?

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 07:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lori Padilla

... that in 1996 the Japanese Kinjo family sued Lori Padilla for ¥ 62 million (US$ 580,000) blood money after a car Padilla was driving killed three Kinjo family members?

Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1...that in 1996 the Kinjo family sued Lori Padilla for ¥ 62 million (US$ 580,000) blood money after a car Padilla was driving killed three Kinjo family members in Okinawa?
Source, length, and history verified. I've proposed an alternative hook that mentions Okinawa, which at least hints at why this accident would ignite controversy and reworded it a bit. Awadewit (talk) 14:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orion P. Howe

... that Orion P. Howe was a 14-year old drummer boy in the Union Army during the American Civil War who was awarded the Medal of Honor after being told to fetch the wrong caliber of cartridge and that he later went to the United States Naval Academy and eventually became a dentist?

Created by Rlevse (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 13

Jakob Bogdani

... that the 17th century Hungarian painter Jakob Bogdani highlighted his paintings with exotic red-coloured birds such as the Scarlet Ibis, Red Avadavat and Northern Cardinal?

Created by Maias (talk) and further expanded by Casliber (talk) at 13:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified; offline ref accepted in good faith. It would be nice to have an image in the article. Awadewit (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cornell Big Red football

... that university founder Andrew White prevented the Cornell Big Red football team from playing Michigan, saying "I refuse to let 40 of our boys travel 400 miles merely to agitate a bag of wind."

5x expanded by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 09:42, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Centre Praying Colonels football

... that the Centre College Praying Colonels participated in the first game of American football played south of the Ohio River in 1880?

Expanded by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 09:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Thomas Peniston

... that the 17th century baronet Sir Thomas Peniston received £50 per year as a member of the retinue of Richard Sackville, 3rd Earl of Dorset while his wife, Martha, was the Earl's mistress?

Created by [[User:|Rjm at sleepers]] (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moggy Hollow Natural Area

... that Moggy Hollow Natural Area was where Glacial Lake Passaic overflowed as the Wisconsin Glacier expanded in New Jersey?

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jelgava Palace

... that Jelgava Palace hosts Tomb of Dukes of Curland where members of the Kettler family were buried in 21 Sarcophagus from 1569 to 1791 ?

Created by Wikiolap (talk). Self nom at 04:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pineapplefish

... that the pineapplefish (pictured) is also known as the "port-and-starboard light fish", because the two luminescent organs on its head resemble ship navigation lights?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 03:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that the scientific species name of the pineapplefish (pictured) means "glory of the sea"? -- Yzx (talk) 03:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both hooks verified (offline refs accepted in good faith), length and history good. I prefer the original hook (although the ALT is also acceptable); I think this will get a lot of clicks if we put it as the lead hook. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Cronin

... that Henry Cronin won the Military Cross in the First World War for assaulting several enemy positions despite only being present in the attack to build field defences? - self nom, new article - Dumelow (talk) 21:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Alcaide

... that the primarily western television actor Chris Alcaide came out of retirement in 1987 to appear as the Chief Justice in Charles Bronson's film Assassination? - self nom, new article - Billy Hathorn (talk) 18:44 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Jim Cramer's appearance on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

... that Jim Cramer's appearance on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart resulted after Rick Santelli abruptly canceled a scheduled appearance on the show a week earlier?

Created by Wikipedical (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Our own Wikinews story says the CNBC stuff was planned before Santelli canceled. Shubinator (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This hook does not have an inline citation in the article. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Typewriter in the Sky

... that the science fiction novel Typewriter in the Sky by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard has been compared to the book What Mad Universe and the film Stranger than Fiction?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't heard of either of those works, so the significance/interestingness of the comparison is lost on me...can you suggest anything else for a hook? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What Mad Universe is a noteworthy science fiction book by notable author Fredric Brown. Stranger than Fiction was a major motion picture starring Will Ferrell, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Dustin Hoffman, Emma Thompson, and Queen Latifah. Cirt (talk) 21:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just saying, if I didn't recognize them, I'm sure plenty of readers won't either. That doesn't mean we can't pass this or anything; I'm just wondering if there's any possibility we could get a more "hooking" hook. If this is the best that can be done, then I guess it's fine. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the article What Mad Universe, specifically the subsection: "Accolades". I think it is pretty noteworthy and lauded within the genre of science fiction. Cirt (talk) 21:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not questioning that it's noteworthy, I'm just wondering if it'll grab people's attention. Unlike me, main page readers won't have the benefit of getting to hear you out at T:TDYK and see all the reasons why the hook should grab their attention; they'll just see the hook and either click it or pass over it. But I guess we pass hooks far less interesting than this every day, so maybe it's not a problem. I suppose we'll go ahead with this hook. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is unfortunately subjective, and in fact as the book What Mad Universe has received accolades and praise, and the film Stranger than Fiction did in fact star all these A-list actors - that in fact there will actually be many readers that have heard of both of these, or at the least one of them. Cirt (talk) 21:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, we can use it then.

Length, history, and references verified. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the hook should say who compared it rather than weasel wording. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that would make the hook overly long. It's not really necessary, the comparisons were made in multiple secondary sources that satisfy WP:RS and WP:V. Cirt (talk) 21:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe its not necessary but it is very ugly. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The info is obviously presented in much more detail with one-click-away to the article itself. Cirt (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or we could just avoid the whole problem. ALT 1... that the science fiction novel Typewriter in the Sky by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard is set in the Caribbean during the 17th century? Awadewit (talk) 23:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Definitely prefer ALT 1. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine by me. Cirt (talk) 05:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic Cultural Center of New York

... that the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (pictured)

is the first mosque to be built in New York City? Created/expanded by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the hook should mention the year, as I was surprised it was this recently. ... that the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (pictured) was the first mosque built in New York City, opening in 1991? Grsz¹¹ 23:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good suggestion. I would just move the date a little:

... that the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (pictured), which opened in 1991, was the first mosque built in New York City? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Shabazz (talk • contribs) 00:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amlaíb mac Sitriuc

... that in 1029, the ransom of the Hiberno-Norse prince Amlaíb mac Sitriuc included over 1200 cows, 140 horses, 60 ounces of gold and of silver, "the sword of Carlus" and a large number of Irish hostages?

Created by Grimhelm (talk). Self nom at 19:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great Onyx Cave

... that even though the Mammoth Cave system has passages directly beneath Great Onyx Cave, they have never been connected?

Created by Shoy (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Off line book sources for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date stone beetle

... that an unfertilized female date stone beetle will have sex with her first son to reach maturity, and then will eat him?

Created by AxelBoldt (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Hook source verified that female mates with a son;[1] a "first son" implies the first son of the original male generation. Perhaps what is meant is that she mates with a first-generation son; then mates with a grandson to produce daughters. "Mated females produced males and females, whereas unmated females gave rise to males only."[2] The phrase "to reach maturity" must mean attaining the ability to have male and female offspring. The information that female eats the sons can be accepted on good faith from book sources. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My formulation is probably unclear. She has sex with the first son that reaches maturity, i.e. with the son that reaches maturity first; she doesn't have sex in order to reach maturity. Maybe it's better to simplify thusly:

... that a virgin female date stone beetle will have sex with her first son, only to eat him afterwards? AxelBoldt (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Big East Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year

... that Chris Mullin (pictured) was named the Big East Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year three consecutive times from 1983 to 1985?

Created/expanded by Grsz11 (talk). Self nom at 18:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Could not find verification for hook, as online source give did not say that Chris Mullin was named the Big East Conference Men's Basketball Player of the Year three consecutive times from 1983 to 1985. At least, I looked but could not find it. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a source that explicitly supports the hook. Alansohn (talk) 22:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nixon's Last Press Conference

... that after losing the 1962 race for governor of California, Richard Nixon (pictured) held what he called his "last press conference" promising the media that "you won't have Nixon to kick around any more"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone's on a Nixon kick today.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You deserve a big part of the blame. Besides, it's that much more challenging to kick Dick Nixon around, especially now that he's dead. Alansohn (talk) 19:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I explained to you it is really your fault for being asleep at the switch on Zetterberg and leaving it to me to write his article, which got me into the whole Nixon thing!--Wehwalt (talk) 11:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Glenmama

... that the Battle of Glenmama in 999 was followed by the immediate occupation of Dublin by Brian Ború's Munster forces?

5x expanded by Grimhelm (talk). Self nom at 13:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Friday 13th

... that In the Netherlands, there are slightly fewer driving accidents on Friday 13th than on other days?

Created by Chzz (talk). Self nom at 12:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No substantial addition made, just a new section. Article has actually contracted in the last five days.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Shannon (pediatrician)

... that pediatric toxicologist Michael Shannon, known as the "dancing doctor", starred in a 2008 production of the Urban Nutcracker, his eighth year appearing in the annual performance?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 12:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Banter

... that in Advanced Banter, the QI book of quotations, Alan Davies (pictured) wrote the following proverb: "A small pie is soon eaten"?

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Summit

... that American Summit in Alaska is the location of what has been called the most remote liquor store in the world?

Created by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 11:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It hasn't, it's been called "one of the most remote" which is the typical sort of weasel wording when no one is sure exactly which is the most remote. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Knut Helle

... that medievalist Knut Helle led the editorial committee of the ten-volume encyclopedia Norsk biografisk leksikon?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified; foreign-language ref taken in good faith. Awadewit (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laurelwood Academy

... that Laurelwood Academy moved to Eugene, Oregon, after 103 years in Laurelwood, Oregon, but did not change its name?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Perhaps make it clear they moved outside the city?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Murray Chotiner

... that after delivering the Checkers Speech, Richard Nixon dictated a telegram resigning the Vice Presidential nomination, but Nixon campaign manager Murray Chotiner ripped it up unsent?

5x expanded by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Non free source accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:42, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that in 1952, after giving the Checkers Speech, Richard Nixon dictated a telegram resigning as Eisenhower's running mate, but his campaign manager Murray Chotiner ripped it up unsent? (giving a little more context) —Mattisse (Talk) 18:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that is fine. Chotiner is my current project, as I told you Mattisse, gunning to have it TFA for his 100th anniversary of birth in October. Starting with this and working my way up.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey Route 158

... that New Jersey Route 158's original designation was New Jersey's only four-digit designation?

5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5820/1544 = 3.8x expansion of readable prose. Please continue expansion. Shubinator (talk) 01:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see what's interesting about this hook. Four digits? Punkmorten (talk) 08:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trembling Before G-d

... that Trembling Before G-d was put out on a general release on October 21, 2001 in New York City, where it then broke Film Forum's opening day box office records, which grossing were more than $5,500 on the first day of release?

5x expanded by User:Staffwaterboy (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The only recent edits to the article are bot edits. Please see our rules. Shubinator (talk) 17:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

7 World Trade Center

... that the cost to rebuild the 7 World Trade Center estimated in $700 million dollars?

5x expanded by User:Staffwaterboy (talk). Self nom at 17:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Few recent edits. Please see our rules. Shubinator (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 12

Death of a Salesman (1951 film)

... that Arthur Miller threatened to sue Columbia Pictures over a short clip they placed in front of Death of a Salesman, a film based off of his play of the same name?

Created/expanded by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 21:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Siward, Earl of Northumbria

... that Siward (pictured), the earl of Northumbria who defeated Macbeth in battle, was said to have been descended from a polar bear?

5x expanded by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 19:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Totally rewritten article. --Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 19:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; Latin source accepted in good faith. Catchy hook! Awadewit (talk) 23:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Polish Artists and Designers

... that the Association of Polish Artists and Designers (main office pictured) was disbanded by the Polish military authorities for opposing the 1981 imposition of martial law in communist Poland?

5x expanded by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at at 05:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wu Yuanheng

... that the assassins of the Tang Dynasty chancellor Wu Yuanheng decapitated him and took his head with them?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 04:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One of the refs is a bare URL, which needs to be cleaned up. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All references are formatted now. I formatted them. They are in Chinese. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whitefin dogfish

... that the whitefin dogfish has light-producing organs on its upper eyelids?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion and date are fine. AGF on offline hook ref. Article image could be added. ^Law_shoot! 09:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lac de Monteynard Avignonet

... that the Himalayan design, of the bridge (pictured) at Lac de Monteynard Avignonet is unique for Europe?

Created by mbz1 (talk), Herbythyme (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Einar Sverdrup

... that Einar Sverdrup, CEO of a Svalbard-based coal mining company, died during World War II during an attempt to secure Svalbard?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 22:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alfred Madsen

... that Alfred Madsen, a high-ranking politician in the Norwegian Labour Party, started his career as a lithographer?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 22:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; foreign-language source accepted in good faith. Awadewit (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Romanus (Bishop of Rochester)

... that Romanus, the second Bishop of Rochester, drowned in the Mediterranean Sea?

5x expanded by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, references good. Shubinator (talk) 18:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ernest Trova

... that Ernest Trova was best known for Falling Man, a series of works "about man at his most imperfect" depicting an armless human figure that appeared in sculptures, paintings, prints and wristwatches?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All good. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 19:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Coughlin Jay Fund Foundation

... that Tom Coughlin, head coach of the New York Giants, founded the Jay Fund charity in 1996 to honor Jay McGillis, a player Coughlin coached at Boston College who died of leukemia?

Created by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

4th British Academy Video Games Awards

... that Gears of War failed to scoop any of the fifteen prizes at the 4th British Academy Video Games Awards despite garnering six nominations?

Created/expanded by BigHairRef (talk). Self nom at 14:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The admins considering this should be aware of this article which was created and nominated yesterday. BigHairRef | Talk 14:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Rufus Morey

... that American art historian Charles Rufus Morey published a pamphlet on library planning called "Laboratory-Library"?

Created/expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Ravichandar84 (talk) at 12:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source, length, and date verified. Awadewit (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eagle Summit (Alaska)

... that Eagle Summit in Alaska is one of the few places south of the Arctic Circle or north of the Antarctic Circle to experience midnight sun?

Created by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook isn't true, and it isn't what the reference says. The reference says Eagle Summit gets midnight sun because when the sun is near the horizon, it appears a couple degrees higher than where it really is, due to the phenomenon described at atmospheric refraction. It doesn't say it's rare and it doesn't mention the Antarctic Circle. Atmospheric refraction should bring the image of the sun above the horizon, anywhere within a couple degrees of the Arctic or Antarctic Circles if there are no mountains blocking the horizon. Midnight sun should therefore be especially un-rare a couple degrees north of the Antarctic Circle, because (excluding the Antarctic Peninsula) that latitude is in the ocean, with nothing blocking the horizon at all. Art LaPella (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. How about:

... that Hudson Stuck, who was one of the first people to climb Mount McKinley's South Peak, thought Eagle Summit was one of the most difficult summits in Alaska? JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lactarius chrysorrheus

... that the poisonous mushroom Lactarius chrysorrheus (pictured) bleeds white milk which quickly turns sulphur yellow when cut?

Created/expanded by Luridiformis (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 11:19, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that when cut, the poisonous mushroom Lactarius chrysorrheus (pictured) bleeds white milk which quickly turns sulphur yellow? ----Boston (talk) 11:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Also, should the picture be on Commons? Shubinator (talk) 15:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an advantage in saying that it's a stub rather than just removing the stub tag because it's obviously long enough? - --Boston (talk) 18:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I usually de-stub if the tag wasn't added by creator/nominator and the article has been expanded since. The creator knows more than I do on the subject, so I defer to them if they tagged it in the first place. Take this to WT:DYK if you want more discussion. Shubinator (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size and date check out. AGF on offline hook ref. The ALT makes more sense as far as the milk is concerned. ^Law_shoot! 21:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Love Call

... that Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald's 1936 recording of "Indian Love Call" was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame seventy-two years later?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article has numerous headings with only one sentence. I encourage the editor to remove them. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Snake mackerel

... that adult and juvenile snake mackerels both make daily vertical migrations, but in opposite directions?

Created by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]]). Self nom at 07:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Expanded from a redirect. -- Yzx (talk) 07:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Mercado

... that salsa music promoter Ralph Mercado got his start with "waistline parties", live music events where women paid based on their waist size (thinner women paid less) and Mercado measuring at the door?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saki (manga)

... that Yuki Kataoka, a character from the Japanese manga Saki, seems to play better at mahjong if she eats tacos?

5x expanded by NocturneNoir (talk). Self nom at 04:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The page size script doesn't seem to count the character profiles in its prose count, so the current character count, 1963 B, is inaccurate. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ^{(t • c)} 04:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article says tacos seem to increase her skill at mahjong. Maybe tweak the hook to seems to play better? Can could be construed as always. Otherwise, length and history good. Shubinator (talk) 05:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tweaked accordingly. Thanks. ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ^{(t • c)} 11:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history good; AGF on offline source. Shubinator (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Castor (1785)

... that Royal Navy frigate HMS Castor was captured by the French in 1794, but was retaken (pictured) just 20 days later?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size, date, and image are fine. AGF on offline hook ref. ^Law_shoot! 05:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"... that HMS Castor, a Royal Navy frigate..." would work a little better, I think. Shimgray | talk | 00:35, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Locust Grove (Dillwyn, Virginia)

... that excavations at Locust Grove in 1987 revealed the grave of an infant in the kitchen garden? (self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 04:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm running a bit behind, so I'll do the infobox tomorrow; I also have images for it. I would like, if possible, to request that this DYK run on March 15, as that's Peter Francisco Day in the Commonwealth of Virginia. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 04:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 11

Constance McLaughlin Green

... that American historian Constance McLaughlin Green won the 1963 Pulitzer Prize for History for her book Washington, Village and Capital, 1800-1878?

Created by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 03:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Institute for Medical and Biological Engineering

... that the American Institute for Medical and Biological Engineering awarded Raymond Damadian the 2009 Honorary Fellow Award for discovering the concept of MRI?

Created by FingersOnRoids (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adolph Diesterweg

... that Adolph Diesterweg (pictured), a German educationist, is thought to have originated the maxim 'learn to do by doing'?

Created by Mentifisto (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sloat House, Old Sloatsburg Cemetery

... that marks remain on the Sloat House (pictured) in Sloatsburg, New York, from the accidental shooting death of John D. Sloat's father, who became the first burial in Old Sloatsburg Cemetery? Both self-noms. Daniel Case (talk) 05:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kukulkan

... that the cult of Kukulkan, the Yucatec Maya feathered serpent deity, was the first Mesoamerican religion to transcend earlier linguistic and ethnic divisions?

5x expanded by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 00:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gable Mansion

... that the Gable Mansion is one of the last Victorian Italianate mansions of its style, size, and proportion in California?

Created by Killiondude (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'm completely open to alternate hooks.Killiondude (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Street News

... that Street News, a street newspaper sold by homeless individuals in New York, is considered to have started the international "street paper movement"?

Created by Apoc2400 (talk). Nominated by Rjanag (talk) at 13:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that Street News, sold by homeless individuals in New York beginning in 1989, became the prototype for street newspapers worldwide? (focuses on the street newspaper phenomena.) —Mattisse (Talk) 23:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like the ALT. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 00:19, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Either is fine with me. --Apoc2400 (talk) 08:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Lalakaon

... that in the Battle of Lalakaon in 863 AD, three Byzantine armies, marching from different directions, managed to converge on time and surround an Arab army?

ALT1:... that following their victory in the Battle of Lalakaon in 863 AD, the Byzantines were able to pressure Bulgaria to accept Christianization and become part of the Eastern Orthodox Church?

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 09:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Darby Hinton

... that Darby Hinton, who played Israel in the 1964–1970 NBC series Daniel Boone, is developing Hinton's Living History based on family travels across the United States?

ALT1:... that Darby Hinton, who played Fess Parker's son on NBC's Daniel Boone, as an infant lost his father in a plane crash but remains close to Parker nearly 40 years after the series ended?

ALT2:... that former child actor Darby Hinton was a godson of Charlton Heston, a neighbor of Zsa Zsa Gabor, and the television son of Fess Parker on NBC's 1964–1970 series Daniel Boone?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:29 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Black swallower

... that the black swallower (pictured) can swallow fishes over twice its length and ten times its weight?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact should have a footnote at the end of the sentence. ^Law_shoot! 04:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That entire section of the paragraph covers a single topic, and thus shares the three citations at the end of it. -- Yzx (talk) 04:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, changed it anyway. -- Yzx (talk) 05:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size, date, and image fine. AGF on hook ref. Neat-o fish. ^Law_shoot! 05:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russell Foskett

... that Australian flying ace Russell Foskett was credited with 6½ aerial victories during the Second World War, before he was killed over the Aegean Sea in October 1944?

Created by Abraham, B.S. (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size, date, and hook ref all check out. ^Law_shoot! 05:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dracula fish

... that the recently discovered dracula fish lost its teeth then re-evolved a set of bony fangs from its jawbone?

Created/expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: alt. hook ... that the recently discovered dracula fish has only been found in a small stream near Mogaung in Burma? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 21:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1415 characters of prose, and tagged as a stub. Shubinator (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~::* This article incorrectly quotes the source, and when I corrected it, I was reverted. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

Read through the article again. Lower down is the real quote—the part above it is a horrible paraphrasing which goes one to repeat itself. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 01:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry! I struck out my comment. I was looking for a way to add on to the article, but I guess there is no way. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I've given it a little more expansion on description and diet. Would that count as a "start class" now? It still looks stubby to me but not in a bad way, it's certainly no two-line stub. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression

... that Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman has criticized Amity Shlaes's The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression for misleading statistics?

Created by Bsimmons666 (talk), Kevinalewis (talk). Nominated by Bsimmons666 (talk) at 20:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would object to this as POV, given that Shlaes has credibly defended herself, and several other economists have criticized Krugman's attack as unfair. THF (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you say so. ALT2: ... that during the Senate confirmation hearing for Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, Republican Senator John Barrasso read a passage from The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression? Bsimmons666 (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian constitutional referendum, 2005

... that the British Council sponsored a "Rock the Referendum" concert for the 2005 Armenian constitutional referendum?

Created by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 18:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odd Langholm

... that Odd Langholm, who started out as a researcher of business administration, later won recognition for his studies of mediaeval economic thought?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles S. Lieber

... that Charles S. Lieber found that baboons given a normal diet plus the equivalent of 25 ounces of alcohol daily for four years got cirrhosis, disproving dogma that malnutrition triggered the disease?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(alt)

... that Charles S. Lieber's baboon testing showed that alcohol and not malnutrition caused cirrhosis? says the same to me in less words Victuallers (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(alt)

... that Charles S. Lieber's baboon testing showed that cirrhosis is caused by alcohol, not malnutrition? DS (talk) 19:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Big Nose George

File:Bignosegeorgey.jpg

... that Wild West outlaw Big Nose George was the only man in American history to be made into a pair of shoes after his death?

Created by Myosotis Scorpioides (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 15:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not any more... was that wrong?-- Myosotis Scorpioides 16:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC) oh yes and your first hook is too similar to the wording of the source[reply]

(alt)... that Dr John Osborne wore Big Nose George (pictured) when Governor of Wyoming? Suggestion by Victuallers (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC) (for April first?) I like it!-- Myosotis Scorpioides 17:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(alt)... that when John Eugene Osborne was elected Governor of Wyoming, he wore Big Nose George as a pair of shoes? DS (talk) 19:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I like that too!! You could play it fairly straight as well, I guess. Something like ALT3 ... after Wild West outlaw Big Nose George was hanged, his skull was made into an ash tray and his skin into a pair of shoes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myosotis Scorpioides (talk • contribs) 20:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5th British Academy Video Games Awards

... that Call of Duty 4 won four awards at the 5th British Academy Video Games Awards?

Created by BigHairRef (talk). Self nom at 12:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative hook ... that Nolan Bushnell, founder of both Atari, Inc and Chuck E. Cheese's Pizza-Time Theaters, was made a fellow of BAFTA at the 5th British Academy Video Games Awards? BigHairRef | Talk 17:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2nd Alternate with two new articles ... that Grand Theft Auto IV failed to scoop an award despite leading the nominations at the 5th British Academy Video Games Awards replicating the "feat" managed by Gears of War after it also got six nominations and failed to win the year before? BigHairRef | Talk 13:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Porta-Color

... that although the NTSC introduced color television standards in 1953, consumer purchases of color sets remained very slow until GE introduced their Porta-Color set in 1966, sparking off a rapid downward price trend in the late 1960s?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

233 character hook. Shubinator (talk) 15:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion ... that until GE introduced the Porta-Color set in 1966, due to high prices NTSC color televisions were consistently outsold by black and white? BigHairRef | Talk 16:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion2 ... that before GE introduced the Porta-Color set in 1966, the higher priced NTSC color televisions were outsold by black and white? —Mattisse (Talk) 17:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

or even ... that before the GE Porta-Color TV in 1966, color televisions were outsold by black and white ones? Victuallers (talk) 17:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alf Brodal

... that having suffered a stroke in 1972, neuroanatomist Alf Brodal published the article Self-Observations and Neuro-Anatomical Considerations After a Stroke in the journal Brain in 1973?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saturday Morning Watchmen

... that Saturday Morning Watchmen is a viral video parodying the Watchmen comics and the style of 1980s animation?

Created/expanded by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 03:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the typical DYK interestingness in this hook... - Mgm|^(talk) 08:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to propose an alternative, always looking for improvement. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 11:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps "... that the viral video Saturday Morning Watchmen portrays Watchmen character Rorschach as a friend to the animals? This would make anyone who knows anything about the series double-take. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 11:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ancistrochilus rothschildianus

... that Ancistrochilus rothschildianus is a species of semi-terrestrial orchid endemic to the African tropics?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A more interesting hook is "... that Ancistrochilus rothschildianus, a species of orchid endemic to the African tropics, loses its leaves during the dry season?" This isn't explicitly said by any single source but can be deduced clearly by checking the combined sources. --Boston (talk) 05:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't that count as synthesis? DS (talk) 12:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, having worked with the material, I honestly don't think so, but I offer the first hook so we can move ahead without agonizing over it. --Boston (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The image is copyrighted and not free, and therefore not eligible. Shubinator (talk) 22:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing problem with picture. I thought the authorization "for any purposes" made it okay. --Boston (talk) 01:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, a copyrighted image is still copyrighted, no matter what the owner "authorizes" us to do. If they really want it to be usable for any purpose, they have to release it under GDFL, CC-BY-SA, or a comparable license, which they can do by e-mailing OTRS and specifying the license (or by e-mailing you, and then you would have to forward it to OTRS). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Castaway depot

... that from the 1860s, the New Zealand government established a network of castaway depots (example pictured) on their sub-antarctic islands for the use of shipwreck survivors?

Created/expanded by Gwinva (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 10

Triztán Vindtorn

...that the Norwegian surrealist poet Triztán Vindtorn changed his surname into the name of his favorite pub?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 12:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SM UB-6, SM UB-16

... that UB-6 and UB-16, both World War I German Type UB I submarines, each sank a Royal Navy destroyer named Recruit?

5x expanded by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: SM UB-6 was expanded on 10 March; SM UB-16 was expanded on 13 March. —Bellhalla (talk) 21:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT1:... that World War I German submarines UB-6 and UB-16 were each credited with sinking HMS Recruit, but two years apart?
  - Or an April Fools Day-ish ALT2: ... that it took two German submarines, UB-6 and UB-16, to dispatch two World War I Royal Navy Recruits?

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference verified for all the hooks. I like the April Fool's one the most. Shubinator (talk) 21:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles E. Moore

... that during WWII, the Joshua Hendy Iron Works under the management of Charles E. Moore built one 137-ton Liberty ship engine every 40.8 hours?

Created by Moorec4 (talk). Nominated by Gatoclass (talk) at 06:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Engine dimensions can be found in the ASME article. Gatoclass (talk) 20:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Booming Back at You

... that Booming Back at You, the fifth album by Junkie XL, was released by the record label Artwerk, a joint venture between video game developer EA and music company Nettwerk?

5x expanded by Ikara (talk). Self nom at 22:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allah Bux Soomro

... that Allah Bux Soomro, Premier of Sindh, renounced his OBE and the title of Khan Bahadur and resigned his membership in the National Defence Council of India during the Quit India Movement?

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: 5x expansion from 1 KB to 8 KBThe Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 12:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Logarithmic differentiation

... that logarithmic differentiation is a technique used in differential calculus to differentiate complicated functions by taking the natural logarithm of both sides of the equation?

Created by Anonymous Dissident (talk). Self nom at 06:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that this is quite technical and not exactly very "wow", but math articles are very rare on DYK and something out of the ordinary might be desired. I'm not sure. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... of both sides of the equation y=f(x)? I couldn't guess what the equation was without looking up the article. Art LaPella (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 09:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Horne & Corden

... that despite attracting the highest ratings ever for a comedy show debut on BBC Three, Horne & Corden was described by one critic as, "about as funny as credit default swaps"?

5x expanded by ISD (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference verified. Shubinator (talk) 05:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Lindblad

... that Jan Lindblad, apart from being a writer, photographer, film maker, and artist, also kept two tiger cubs, named Lillan and Rani, in his residence?

Created by Hapsala (talk). Nominated by Decltype (talk) at 12:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Swedish writer, photographer, film maker, and artist Jan Lindblad kept two rather unusual pets: the tiger cubs, Lillan and Rani? Rosiestep (talk) 17:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, good suggestion. That's much better. decltype (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find a reference saying he was an artist (unless you mean whistling artist?). Also, the reference for the tigers says they were named Lilian and Rani. Shubinator (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whil the pets are unusual, it seems a little POVy to say "rather unusual". The fact they are unusual is already implied by their inclusion in DYK. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was referring to the second paragraph (mainly the whistling). The spelling was inconsistent in the article itself as well. I still think Lillan is correct. I'll try to locate a source. decltype (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Sloat House

... that Jasper Cropsey may have helped design the Jacob Sloat House (pictured) in Sloatsburg, New York, which combines the Greek Revival and Picturesque architectural styles? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 04:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cripple and the Starfish

... that Lou Reed said "I knew I was in the presence of an angel" after hearing the Antony and the Johnsons song "Cripple and the Starfish"?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Need someone to access this web source for article to verify quality of source and quotation:

http://www.girlieaction.com/antony/AntonyRelease1.doc. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[3] They are a PR firm whose clients include Morrissey and They Might Be Giants. The same quote pops up all over the web [4] [5] [6]. I added inline citations to NME and The Guardian for reassurance. - --Boston (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mark H. Beers

... that research by Mark H. Beers on drug interactions in the elderly led to creating the eponymous Beers Criteria, listing prescription medications that may have negative side effects in older patients?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John D. Boon

... that John D. Boon's former store (pictured) and former home in Salem, Oregon, are both on the National Register of Historic Places?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William de Chesney

... that the medieval citizens of the town of Oxford called William de Chesney (flourished 1142–1161) "their alderman"?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. —Mattisse (Talk)

The hook does not make sense to me. The phrase "(flourished 1142–1161)" refers to the town of Oxford or to William de Chesney? (I could not find that time range in the article). What is the significance of the citizens calling someone their "alderman" in quotations marks? —Mattisse (Talk) 21:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flourished is a synonym for Floruit, which basically means we don't have birth or death dates for the guy, but he was active in this year range. The range is from 1142 when he first appears and 1161, when he last appears in my sources. As for the significance of the alderman comment, there were no real aldermen at this time, but he was basically their representative. You're welcome to come up with another hook, I freely admit I suck at them. Ealdgyth - Talk 21:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the article well enough to write a hook. Else I would. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"alt ... that the medieval citizens of the English town of Oxford called William de Chesney their alderman before such honorific was in common use?" Is that better? Seems to answer questions pose above. No need to ad dates since the medaeval reference establishes the time frame. Verne Equinox (talk) 00:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Much better. The article did not use the same dates anyway. I did a search for them. This gets around that problem nicely. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfriendly Fire

... that military advisors responsible for the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy admitted in the book Unfriendly Fire that their suggestions were based on their own prejudices and fears, not empirical data?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article sources are questionable. A quote from the book is sourced to a TV show, The Rachel Maddow Show. Another part than seems to quote the book is source to an opinion piece by the book's author in the The Huffington Post and not to the book it purports to quote. The third source is to a video of The Daily Show (although I watched some of it but it was about CNBC, Obama, the British Prime Minister, and Hilary Clinton). Presumable the book Unfriendly Fire is a serious book. There are no reviews of the book from serious publications? Should not quotes that purport to be from the book actually reference the page of the book it is on? —Mattisse (Talk) 20:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The source isn't the book, it's from a Huffington Post article written by Nathaniel Frank (the author) discussing the sources he talked to for his story. As for the Daily Show and MSNBC reports, those are actually one-on-one interviews with Frank; the quote isn't a quote from the book, but a quote from Frank himself in that interview. Obviously those kind of things are used as reliable sources in lots of articles; maybe I need to just fix the reference tags to clarify? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Interviews with authors are not necessarily reliable sources all by themselves. The Huffington Post is an opinion blog. You need some reliable sources, like a New York Times book review, that is, some reliable third-party sources about the book. Otherwise, it is just this guy's opinion about his own book. All you have is his opinion in his book and his opinion about his book (and about his opinion) in an opinion piece on a blog. Please read reliable sources. Wikipedia is not a mouthpiece for any one person's opinion. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - The most you can say is the following (if you can prove that the "military advisers" used those words, which seems unlikely):
      - alt ... that, according to the author of the book Unfriendly Fire, military advisers responsible for the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy admitted that their suggestions were based on their own prejudices and fears, not empirical data?
        Somehow, I can't feature "military advisers" saying, "My suggestions were based on my own prejudices and fears, not on empirical data." Or anything close to that. It would be interesting to know what they actually did say, that Frank construed that way. The book should have some book reviews where third parties weigh in on this issue. If reliable sources agree, then use their opinion so you will avoid undue weight. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I'll look for alternative third party sources either tonight or tomorrow. (I doubt it's worth much, but Stewart and Maddow both said in the interview that this was the case described in the book. It wasn't all from Frank, although I would have thought his interview would be enough.) I'm also willing to consider a tamer hook, just so long as a DYK on the book goes through. For the record, it was said in these interviews that these advisors did flat out admit their suggestions were based on prejudices and fears, because so much time had passed they were willing to admit it. There is even an exact quote from one of them saying, it was "based on nothing. It wasn't empirical, it wasn't studied, it was completely visceral, intuitive." Unfortunately, I can only cite these sources on that, not the book itself since I don't have a copy. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 01:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Will this serve as a legit source? If so, I'll incorporate it into the story... --Hunter Kahn (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hook is linked to a dab page Victuallers (talk) 17:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

dab'ed. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that source is a third party evaluation. It would be good if you had more. When editors write articles on bands, comics, anything else, they give pro and con reviews—or at least a cross section of the reviews, even if most are positive, for example. It is basic to WP:NPOV. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Norman, Lord Mayor of London (1453)

... that in 1453, John Norman (pictured) was the first Lord Mayor of London to be taken by barge down the River Thames to swear his oath at Westminster?

5x expanded by Celtus (talk). Self nom at 09:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Book hook source accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the hook could be improved, as it is not clear what the significance of the barge is, for those of us not well informed re English history. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to get the hook to say something to the effect that all previous lord mayors rode or walked to Westminster to take the oath, but Norman went by barge (boat) down the river. The significance isn't the barge, just the going by river instead of the road. Maybe you, or someone else can re-word it better.--Celtus (talk) 08:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(alt)... that in 1453, John Norman (pictured) was the first Lord Mayor of London to travel by water to swear his oath at Westminster; a tradition that continued until 1856?--Celtus (talk) 08:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That seems good. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Akademiska Sångföreningen

... that triple quartets from Finland's oldest choir Akademiska Sångföreningen helped raise funds to build the Old Student House (pictured) in Helsinki?

Created by Kaspersu (talk). Self nom at 06:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No references. Shubinator (talk) 20:17, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added references. A few paragraphs still lack explicit references, but are included anyway since they were translated from the original Swedish-language article (and as a member of the choir I know most of them to be facts, and will work on finding explicit sources). Kaspersu (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source for "the oldest choir in Finland" looks like the choir's site. Can you find a third-party source? Shubinator (talk) 04:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added reference to a news item in Mariehamn-based paper Nya Åland about one of the choir's concerts, stating various facts about the choir. It may be assumed, though, that most third-party references available use the choir or its representatives as sources. An alternative for the DYK would of course be to remove the part "Finland's oldest". Kaspersu (talk) 05:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that triple quartets from the Finnish choir Akademiska Sångföreningen helped raise funds to build the Old Student House (pictured) in Helsinki? Kaspersu (talk) 11:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) for both hooks. I added in a third-party reference for "oldest in Finland". AGF on offline source that choir members raised money for the house. Shubinator (talk) 15:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Butler's frogfish

... that the Butler's frogfish (pictured) can hold onto objects with its finger-like pectoral fin rays?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gorgoroth name dispute

... that the dispute over which band members had the legal right to use the name "Gorgoroth" began when their bassist King ov Hell left the group because of conflicts between playing Satanic death metal and being a teacher in a primary school?

Created by Dark Prime (talk). Nominated by DragonflySixtyseven (talk) at 15:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is too long - approx 239 characters. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that the legal dispute over Gorgoroth 's name occurred when bassist King ov Hell could not both play Satanic death metal and teach in a primary school? —Mattisse (Talk) 22:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt2 ... that when bassist King ov Hell could not both play Satanic death metal and teach in a primary school, there was a legal dispute over Gorgoroth's name? —Mattisse (Talk) 22:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please check your reference sources. You have many references to Blabbermouth.net which is not a reliable source, as it accepts user submitted material: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/submit.aspx Also, forums are not reliable: http://forum.metal-hammer.de/archive/index.php/t-19009.html And some references seem irrelevant: http://www.wacken.com/en/woa2008/main-news/news/archiv/archiv-single/article/gorgoroth-is-back/ goes to an entry headed WOA SoccerCup 2005 almost full. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why there was a legal dispute due to King ov Hell. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He left the band, and then claimed that the others could not use the name any more. DS (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sort of like Roger Waters did to the other three members of Pink Floyd, IIRC. But in this case the hook is great because of the names (I can just imagine the poor clerk stuck reading the filings out loud in a courtroom ...). Daniel Case (talk) 15:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

King's brief departure from Gorgoroth in 2006 wasn't the direct cause of the name dispute, although it's implied the two were connected. He was readmitted into the band a while before the dispute began, in October 2007. The genre of music in question was also black metal, not death metal. Dark Prime (talk) 22:51, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 9

The Ring (South Park)

... that the South Park episode The Ring satirizes the Walt Disney Company by portraying Mickey Mouse as a foul-mouthed, greedy and physically violent CEO?

Created by Heresbubba53190 (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article was created by Heresbubba53190, not by the IP, who made only one edit to the article. --TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right, my mistake. Fixed. — Hunter Kahn _(contribs) 13:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

395th Infantry Regiment (United States)

... that the inexperienced 395th Infantry Regiment defended its lines during the Battle of the Bulge so well it was later assigned to multiple divisions, earning it the nickname Butler's Blue Battlin' Bastards?

Created by btphelps (talk). Self nom at 06:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Butler's Blue Battlin' Bastards is not mentioned in the cited source. Shubinator (talk) 05:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zheng Yin (Middle Tang)

... that the Tang Dynasty official Zheng Yin opposed issuance of commissions for eunuch commandants on hemp paper, reasoning such use was reserved for commissions of imperial princes and chancellors?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dan & Dave

... that Dan & Dave both won Olympic medals, but lost their endorsement deal? - New article by User:Kuyabribri, nom by Spikebrennan (talk) 18:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length, reference checks. Nom moved from April Fool's Day noms - I don't think its funny enough. If you disagree, please comment to me and we can reconsider. I get no nom credit for this article. Royalbroil 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coke La Rock

... that New York City rapper Coke La Rock (pictured) is often credited as being the first MC in the history of hip-hop?

5x expanded by Bigtimepeace (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The acronym "MC" needs a link to Master of Ceremonies, both in the hook and in the article, as it may not be understood by all readers. Rosiestep (talk) 17:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I've wikilinked MC in the hook above and in the first sentence of the article which I think should be sufficient (I just wikilinked to the general article on Master of Ceremonies - there's a particular section on hip-hop and I could wikilink to that but the former seemed more advisable). Let me know if you see any other issues.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Lundin

... that Danish mass murderer Peter Lundin, who was convicted first for killing his mother then for killing his partner and her two sons, got married twice in prison?

5x expanded by Lilac Soul (talk). Self nom at 10:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stoplight loosejaw

... that the stoplight loosejaw (pictured) is the only known animal that uses chlorophyll to see?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed ! (including image) - Mgm|^(talk) 11:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rupert Peyton

... that in 1934 State Representative Rupert Peyton of Shreveport ridiculed Huey P. Long by proposing a bill to grant the title "Your Majesty" to every adult in Louisiana?

new article Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article length and date verified. Article offline sources would be accepted on good faith, except there is no "References" section that gives the full publication data, including the ISBN's so that at least the existence of the books and topic can be verified. (The "References" in current article should be called "Notes" or "Footnotes" and the "References" should contain the full publication data.) —Mattisse (Talk) 01:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cobbe portrait

... that the recently discovered Cobbe portrait (pictured), which dates from 1610, is likely one of only two live portraits of William Shakespeare?

Created by Ronnotel (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT:... that the recently discovered Cobbe portrait (pictured) may be one of only two portraits of William Shakespeare done from life? - more useful link, more cautious claim, 1610 date only an estimate, "live portrait" not a usual phrase. Johnbod (talk) 03:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We must be careful that the claim doesn't contradict the information in Portraits of Shakespeare, where six possible contenders are mentioned. It is true that the NPG recently concluded that the Chandos portrait is so far the only life portrait, but this is not definite. Therefore the second hook is probably better. Btw: shouldn't it be "from life" rather than "from the life"? Lampman (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Penetron

... that although General Electric never introduced the Penetron as a commercial color television set, it saw use over several decades for avionics systems in aircraft?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

8595/2090 = 4.1x expansion of prose. Shubinator (talk) 03:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Has been further expanded, another 2.4 k of prose. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find a reference for never introduced (I can't find the statement in the article actually), and the reference for avionics says CRTs based on the Penetron were used from the 1960s to 1980s. Shubinator (talk) 05:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tecumseh's Confederation

Tenskwatawa (The Prophet), by Charles Bird King

... that Tecumseh's Confederation began as nativist religious movement led by Tecumseh's brother Tenskwatawa (The Prophet), a Shawnee witch hunter?

Created by Charles Edward (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that Tecumseh's Confederation began as a nativist religious movement led by Tecumseh's brother Tenskwatawa (The Prophet), a Shawnee witch hunter? (grammar fix: added the indefinite article "a") Rosiestep (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

nice simple hook and catchy picture. Please can you put an inline cite at the end of the first article sentence and then it can be checked easily Victuallers (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matteo Galvan

... that Italian sprinter Matteo Galvan took his first medal in a senior event at the 2009 European Indoor Championships, having greatly lowered his personal best time the previous month?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 23:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is "took" the right verb here vs. "won", "earned", "was awarded", etc.? Rosiestep (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a native speaker, but I'm sure we can just change it to "won". Not "was awarded"; he did actively win the medal. Punkmorten (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thank you. Here's the ALT1: ... that Italian sprinter Matteo Galvan won his first medal in a senior event at the 2009 European Indoor Championships, having greatly lowered his personal best time the previous month? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salvia tingitana

... that Salvia tingitana (pictured) was grown and studied for hundreds of years without botanists knowing where it came from?

ALT1:... that Salvia tingitana (pictured) was named after the town of "Tingi", now known as Tangiers, even though the plant has never been found growing there?

Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 approved. Date, size, and hook ref all check out. ^Law_shoot! 08:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Châteauneuf-du-Faou

... that a "Pardon" ceremony held in Châteauneuf-du-Faou (pictured) inspired the artist Paul Sérusier to paint The Pardon of Notre-Dame-des-Portes at Chateauneuf-du-Faou?

– 5x expanded by Mbz1 (talk), Invertzoo (talk), Herbythyme (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that the founder of the artists' group Les Nabis, Paul Sérusier, spent long visits painting in the Breton village of Châteauneuf-du-Faou (pictured)? Note 7 (in French) refs this. Johnbod (talk) 23:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length (exceeds 5x expansion), date verified. ALT1 hook's foreign language ref accepted in good faith. Rosiestep (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prince George Winyah Episcopal Church

... that local tradition says that Prince George Winyah Episcopal Church (pictured) was used by British troops as a stable during the Revolutionary War?

ALT1:... that Prince George Winyah Episcopal Church (pictured) has one of the oldest congregations in continuous service with one of the oldest churches in South Carolina?

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 16:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The first hook can be verified with South Carolina: A Guide to the Palmetto State (original reference 11 through google books on p 278)KudzuVine (talk) 16:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cortez Gold Mine

... that the twenty-four Liebherr T282B trucks (pictured) at Barrick Gold's Cortez Gold Mine account for 10% of that model's sales worldwide?

ALT1:... that Barrick Gold operates twenty-four Liebherr T282B trucks (pictured) with a capacity of 400 short tons each at the Cortez Gold Mine, accounting for 10% of that model's sales worldwide?

Created by kelapstick (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry C. Hall (commissioner)

... that in 1892, future I.C.C. commissioner Henry C. Hall (pictured) was journeying to California for his health, but stopped off in Colorado and liked it so much he settled there?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 15:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frederick Stokes (rugby union)

... that Frederick Stokes captained England when they played Scotland in the first ever international rugby match in 1871?

Created by kwib (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pitomnik Airfield

... that Pitomnik Airfield was the primary German airfield within the city during the Battle of Stalingrad?

Created by EA210269 (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Pitomnik Airfield was the primary German airfield within the city during the Battle of Stalingrad in World War II?

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference verified. Shubinator (talk) 06:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heidelberg Raceway

... that Sara Christian had the highest female finish in the history of NASCAR's top series at the 1949 Heidelberg Raceway event?

Created by Royalbroil (talk) and Ched Davis (talk). Self nom at 12:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incident at Raven's Gate

... that Australian science fiction thriller Incident at Raven's Gate was an early film by director Rolf de Heer, who would go on to make the AFI Award-winning Ten Canoes?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 11:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Film titles should be italicized, both in the hook and in the article (I noticed missing italics in the article's first sentence, but didn't check throughout). --Rosiestep (talk) 18:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think all relevant occurrences have been fixed, thanks.hamiltonstone (talk) 22:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resul Pookutty

... that Resul Pookutty, the co-winner of the 2009 Oscar for Best Sound Mixing, had to walk 6 km to the nearest school and study in the light of a kerosene lamp as his village had no electricity?

5x expanded by Anoopkn (talk). Self nom at 11:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article has not been expanded at all recently. Please see our rules. Shubinator (talk) 16:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wu Chongyin

... that after the death of the Tang Dynasty general Wu Chongyin, more than 20 of his officers cut off flesh from their thighs and burned the flesh as sacrifice to him?

Created/expanded by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is an ongoing thread at the RS noticeboard regarding articles sourced entirely to ancient Chinese sources. Awadewit (talk) 17:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It does not appear that the discussion will reach a consensus, or anything even close to a majority view. --Nlu (talk) 15:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Sundevil

... that Operation Sundevil, a seizure of boards by the United States Secret Service, was named after the football stadium of Arizona State University?

5x expanded by NocturneNoir (talk), NuclearWarfare (talk). Nominated by NocturneNoir (talk) at 05:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article was expanded from "1092 B (167 words)" to "5471 B (871 words)", 11 bytes over the 5x expansion mark. Also, seriously, you people have to stop giving me credit on things that I did not work on very much. To the admin that promotes this: Please do not give me credit. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 05:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean you don't want the "nominator" credit? Right now, the template automatically prepares a credit template for both the article writers and the nominators, so if you don't wan't to receive it you can manually remove the line {{DYKmake|xxxxx|NuclearWarfare}} after nominating, as Shubinator did for this one. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, but aren't I the nominator? I'll remove him from the credits if he absolutely insists, but... ɳOCTURNEɳOIR ^{( t • c )} 14:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, my bad, you're right. I was confused; you guys' names both start with N :P rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator credit is silly, IMO. And you guys have made so many templates here that I'm worried about setting breaking everything and creating a rogue adminbot somehow. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 19:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Aww, but rogue adminbots are so much fun. Length, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Winthrop M. Daniels

... that the Senate confirmed Winthrop M. Daniels (pictured) as an I.C.C. commissioner by 36–27 after some opposing Democrats voted in favor so as not to offend President Woodrow Wilson by rejecting his friend?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 01:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or, if you like: ALT1 ... that in the 1890s Princeton professors Woodrow Wilson and Winthrop M. Daniels (pictured) helped train the school's debaters for their championship matches against Harvard and Yale? --Wehwalt (talk) 02:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very solid. I prefer the former myself. NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 05:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm slowly starting to fill in the blank on the ICC commissioners, who were major figures in their times, but few of whom have had articles on Wikipedia.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I read this article and I remembered reading a similar one before; then I saw that one of the links on my page was purple. Turns out I reviewed that one too :) Good luck with your project! NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 19:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It all appears to check out. Reconfirm if needed. Some of the sections are short, but I AGF that they will be expanded and not abandoned. It appears to meet all of the requirements. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, as the sole member of the informal "Wikiproject:ICC", I have a book reference coming in the mail on the first fifty years of the ICC, which I hope will give a lot of interesting details about the ICC members. I never abandon articles.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Nominations must be posted no more than five (5) days after the creation or the beginning of the expansion of each DYK candidate article.

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Jaime Cocanower

... that Major League Baseball pitcher Jaime Cocanower set an unofficial record in 1985 by throwing a wild pitch in eight straight appearances? Self-nom, Wizardman 16:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) I used this source to verify; AGF offline source has the information. Shubinator (talk) 19:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ritual (Jape album)

... that Ritual by Jape (pictured) recently won the Choice Music Prize? (new article, self-nom) --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Floating (Jape song) & The Monkeys in the Zoo Have More Fun Than Me

... that Brendan Benson of The Raconteurs (pictured) did not receive permission to cover the Jape song "Floating" from the album The Monkeys in the Zoo Have More Fun Than Me? (new articles, self-nom) --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 19:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Iron Maiden

... that the British heavy metal band Iron Maiden, won an award as Best Live Act at the BRIT Awards in 2009?

5x expanded by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the British heavy metal band Iron Maiden was nominated in the Best Live Return category at the 2008 Vodafone Awards, but not agree with their nomination and asked to be withdrawn? Canniba loki 06:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ice Hockey World Championships

... that between 1963 and 1991, only four nations – Canada, Czechoslovakia, Sweden and the Soviet Union – won medals at the Ice Hockey World Championships?

5x expanded by Scorpion0422 (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a bit of a cheat because I only managed to expand it 4.5 times. Before I started, the readable prose was 8178 B (1395 words) (although it needs to be noted that the size of the references was 0) and the most recent version is 35 kB (5953 words) (roughly 4.5 times expansion. In terms of all wikitext, it was a 6x expansion). If anyone thinks the current hook is a tad dull, there are a lot of other possibilities, so I can replace it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is not dull. However, there currently is the Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules#Additional article length rules number 4. Punkmorten (talk) 10:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that, but can't an exception be made considering how large it was to begin with? It's not like it's only a 2 or 3 time expansion, it's well over 4 times larger now. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:51, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Pawnbroker (film)

... that famed comic actor Groucho Marx wanted to play the title role of an embittered Holocaust survivor in the 1964 film The Pawnbroker?

5x expanded by Stetsonharry (talk). Self nom at 16:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

or even

... that Groucho Marx wanted to play the title role of an embittered Holocaust survivor in the 1964 film The Pawnbroker?

I think people will realise which Groucho Marx you mean :-) Victuallers (talk) 17:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. Definitely. Stetsonharry (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the first hook is best because it implies that a notable comic wanted to play a dramatic role. Marx was a Depression Era icon, and I wouldn't assume Gen X or Y knows too much about him, if anything. ^Law_shoot! 00:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wierix family

... that the three drunken Wierix brothers of Antwerp (example right) influenced Ethiopian iconography?

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 22:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Józef Turowski

... that Józef Turowski's groundbreaking book about the World War II massacres of Poles in Volhynia (map pictured) was published only after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 05:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bloomingburg Reformed Protestant Dutch Church

... that for the first four decades of its existence, the altar of the Reformed Dutch Church (pictured) in Bloomingburg, New York, was on the same side as the main entrance? Self-nom. Daniel Case (talk) 04:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sivapuram, Thanjavur district

... that six recently-excavated idols from the Sivagurunathaswamy temple in Sivapuram, India, were secretly smuggled out of the country when repairs were commissioned in 1954?

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They were excavated in 1951, which I wouldn't call recent. Otherwise length and history good. Shubinator (talk) 16:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I used the term "recently-excavated" because considering the fact that the temple was constructed in the 12th century AD, the discovery of the idols was a comparatively recent happening.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 04:52, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Performing Garage

... that actor Willem Dafoe started in a Garage?

ALT1:... that actor Willem Dafoe sometimes works in a Garage?
ALT2:... that the Performing Garage never was a garage?

Created by The Little Blue Frog (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original hook or ALT1 should be used only if intended for April Fool's Day. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert E. A. Lee

... that Robert E. A. Lee was executive producer of A Time for Burning, the Academy Award-nominated 1966 cinéma vérité documentary about efforts to bridge race relations among Lutherans in Omaha, Nebraska?

Created by Bongomatic. 5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added credit for Bongomatic, who created the article on March 8. Shubinator (talk) 18:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could this be turned into a good April Fool's Day hook? SMSpivey (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Penn (engineer)

... that John Penn, the engineer famed for introducing wood bearings for screw-propeller shafts in steam-powered ships, was also president of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers on two occasions?

Created by kwib (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

added missing ISBN for citationKwib (talk) 23:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russula fragilis

File:Russ.frag.jpg

... that the flesh of the mushroom Russula fragilis (pictured) tastes hot, while its smell is fruity?

Created by Luridiformis (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 12:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook seems to be missing something. Perhaps something about the taste of the mushroom? ^Law_shoot! 12:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

duh! sorry forgot a verb...Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size and date fine. AGF hook ref. ^Law_shoot! 19:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cape Kumukahi Light

... that the Cape Kumukahi Light (pictured) was saved from destruction in the 1960 eruption of Kilauea when the lava flow parted and went to either side of it?

Created by Mangoe (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantic stingray

... that the Atlantic stingrays (pictured) living in St. John's River, Florida, represent the only permanent freshwater population of cartilaginous fishes in North America?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Atlantic stingray

AlT ... that the Atlantic stingrays (pictured) living in St. Johns River, Florida, are the only permanent freshwater population of cartilaginous fish in North America? (slight rewording) —Mattisse (Talk) 21:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Cockade

... that Operation Cockade, a series of deceptive operations, was “at best a piece of harmless play acting”?

Created by Tartarus (talk). Self nom at 00:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook should actually explain what the subject was. How about ... that Operation Cockade, a series of Allied deceptive operations during World War II, was so unsuccessful that it was later described as being “at best a piece of harmless play acting”? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I like that quite a bit better, I just thought that something concise might be better, but I've been wrong before, why not now too. :P TARTARUS ^talk 01:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Galen T. Porter

... that Galen T. Porter was a New York City police captain who led the defense of the NY Draft Office when it was attacked by angry firefighters and mobs during the 1863 New York Draft Riots?

Created by 71.184.53.166 (talk). Nominated by Akradecki (talk) at 23:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LCM2000

... that the Australian Army's LCM2000 Landing Craft Mechanised were designed to carry a Leopard 1 tank or up to five ASLAVs?

ALT1:... that the Royal Australian Navy's Kanimbla class ships can carry two Australian Army LCM2000 Landing Craft Mechanised on their bow? Nick-D (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 22:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago and Northwestern Depot (Wilmette, Illinois)

... that Wilmette, Illinois's Chicago and Northwestern Depot has been described as the most historic building in the village?

Created by TheCatalyst31 (talk). Self nom at 22:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Triumph Tiger Daytona

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 20:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bengaluru Pete

... that Bengaluru Pete, a part of present day Bangalore city, is now the the third largest metropolis in India, the largest city in the Karnataka state and 28th largest city in the world?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Cabe6403 (talk) at 16:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that Bengaluru Pete, established by Kempegowda I in 1537 with roads laid in cardinal directions with entrance gates at the end of each road, is an integral part of the present day Bangalore? Nvvchar (talk) 16:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The first hook is confusing. Isn't it Bangalore itself that is the third largest metropolis in India and 28th largest city in the world -- rather than Bengaluru Pete, its core district? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the alternate hook by me gives the correct situation now.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat my Alt hook to set right any confusion.

ALT: ... that Bengaluru Pete, established by Kempegowda I in 1537 with roads laid in cardinal directions with entrance gates at the end of each road, is an integral part of the present day Bangalore? --Nvvchar (talk) 14:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jules De Martino

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 13:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cortinarius violaceus

... that, despite being the type species of the genus Cortinarius, the colour of the mushroom Cortinarius violaceus (pictured) is so dark it is only comparable with members of other genera?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 12:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Refs, length, age all check out. It took me a few moments to work out how the hook was referenced from the source cited, but i got there. I feel like the hook could be strengthened, but I'm not sure how. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2004 Democratic National Convention keynote address

... that Barack Obama met his future speechwriter Jon Favreau while rehearsing his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention?

Created by Joshdboz (talk). Self nom at 09:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, creation date, and fact referencing all verified. Well-written article! The hook is fine as is, but I personally thought the part about having to cut Kerry's line "no red states or blue states" out of Obama's speech was interesting. I can't quite think of a way to word that into a hook, however, and if anybody could that'd be great. Cheers, Jamie^☆S93 16:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Wells (general)

... that following service in the Second World War and Korean War, Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) career in the Australian Army culminated with his appointment as the first Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee; the professional head of the Australian Military?

Created by Abraham, B.S. (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length is much too long... the basis seems to be (alt)... that Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) was the first Chief of the Australian Defence Force? Victuallers (talk) 09:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I was worried that that may have been the case, so I suggest the following:
  - ALT1 ... that Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) career in the Australian Army culminated with his appointment as the first Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee; the professional head of the Australian Military? Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) was the first professional head of the Australian Military? ... I think that says the same and leaves room for 2 other hooks. But let others decide. Victuallers (talk) 13:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is important to state the position as there have been three varients of the head of the Australian military, the Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee being the first of the three but not holding the same amount of power as its successor positions. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Malthouse

... that the operation of malthouses in the UK were once strictly regulated to comply with the malt tax?

Created by Derek Andrews (talk). Self nom at 12:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 7

Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 1)

... that when casting for the first season of Law & Order: Criminal Intent, producers hired Kathryn Erbe, who had previously played a murderer in Oz, as Det. Alex Eames because she "looks like a real cop"?

Created by Matthewedwards (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article was created on March 2 and has not been expanded since March 3. Shubinator (talk) 00:24, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was created in my userspace sandbox on March 2nd, and I moved to mainspace on March 7th. That is allowed. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haldane Reforms

... that the Haldane Reforms of 1906–1912 included the creation of the British Expeditionary Force and the Territorial Force?

Created by Shimgray (talk). Self nom at 21:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

14"/50 caliber railway gun

... that the U.S. Navy's 14"/50 caliber gun, in addition to being the main armament on two classes of battleships, was used as railway artillery during World War I?

Created by Rcbutcher (talk). Nominated by the_ed17 (talk) at 19:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Pearson Newcomb

... that James Pearson Newcomb, Secretary of State of Texas from 1870 to 1874, was once a scout during the US Civil War for the California Column, the longest trek through desert terrain ever attempted by the U.S. military? Verne Equinox (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC) (self-nom)[reply]

219 character hook. Rosiestep (talk) 17:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need all these words ... that James Newcomb, Secretary of State of Texas was a scout for the the longest desert trek by U.S. military? ... leaves room for another hook even if you put some words back in Victuallers (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(ALT) ... that the Secretary of State of Texas from 1870–1874, James Newcomb, was a scout for the the longest desert trek by U.S. military? —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 19:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmednagar fort

... that Jawaharlal Nehru wrote The Discovery of India – a book on Indian history – while he was imprisoned at Ahmednagar fort during the Quit India Movement?

Created by Belasd (talk), Philip Baird Shearer (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, hook fact ref, length, all check out. Good to see this entry underway. hamiltonstone (talk) 08:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clams casino

... that according to legend, clams casino was first created in Narragansett, Rhode Island, in 1917 and is considered a classic dish that is especially popular with Italian-Americans?

Created by ChildofMidnight (talk), Drmies (talk). Nominated by ChildofMidnight (talk) at 04:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both sources say Narragansett is in New York. Also, just because one Italian-American loves the dish doesn't mean you can generalize it to the community. Shubinator (talk) 23:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doris Abrahams, Kermit Bloomgarden

... that after starting producing on Broadway as a teenager, Doris Abrahams co-produced Equus with Kermit Bloomgarden in 1974, which was honored as best play at the 29th Tony Awards?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can we avoid the two consecutive "ing"'s in the hook? BuddingJournalist 06:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, how about (ALT 1) "that Doris Abrahams started producing on Broadway as a teenager and co-produced Equus with Kermit Bloomgarden in 1974 which was honored as best play at the 29th Tony Awards?" Alansohn (talk) 23:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

how about (ALT 2) "that Doris Abrahams and Kermit Bloomgarden produced Equus which was considered the best play in 1974? Victuallers (talk) 18:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disambiged Equus (play) in hook above. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Qadri-Qadeeri Silsila

... that Qadri-Qadeeri Silsila was a spiritual chain started by Maulvi Abdul Qadeer Siddiqui, the former Dean and Professor of Theology of the Osmania University,Hyderabad, it is sub division of Qadri spiritual chain started by Hazrat Ghous-ul-Azam Abdul Qadir Jilani?

Created by User:siddiqui qadri (User talk: siddiqui qadri).Nominated by User:siddiqui qadri at 8:00, on 10 March 2009 (UTC)

855 characters of prose and no references. Please see our rules. Shubinator (talk) 20:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And it's a 262 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 03:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC) (now up to 264 characters) Art LaPella (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Dyneley Prince

... that John Dyneley Prince, who later served as U.S. Ambassador to Denmark and Yugoslavia, learned the Romani language as a 12-year-old, which helped him when he ran away for three days to a gypsy camp?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 15:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now there's a hook. Length, date, and hook verified. Unfortunately, the prose often skirts far too closely to the sources; phrases and sentence structures are taken verbatim from the sources. BuddingJournalist 06:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded the relevant section and added some additional sourced information. Let me know if anything else needs editing. Offenbach (talk) 20:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thaddeus Dod

... that in the 1770s, Thaddeus Dod became the second minister to settle west of the Monongahela River and the first to establish a presbytery west of the Allegheny Mountains?

Created by Jwilkinsen (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 15:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laurelwood, Oregon

... that the small farming community of Laurelwood, Oregon, was the site of four execution-style murders in the 1970s ordered by the Hells Angels?

5x expanded by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The leader of the Hells Angels was convicted of the four murders 18 years after the crime. The fact that it took so long means it wasn't an open and shut case. Could you reword the hook with believed to be ordered or something like that? Shubinator (talk) 22:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A court found him guilty, there is no re-word needed. It took how many years to convict the Unibomber or Gary Ridgway, and they still haven't convicted D. B. Cooper? Time is not a necessarily a factor in whether or not it was an open or shut case. Just because it takes the police a decade or two to figure out who killed who can have more to do with resources, technology, and the craftiness of the criminal, not as to the soundness of a conviction. If he didn't do it, its been about as long and he has had amble opportunity to appeal and clear his good name. But ultimately, the court and the reliable source used said he did it, its not up to us to decide the merits of the case. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Sheryl Crow

... that American singer-songwriter Sheryl Crow has received nine Grammy Awards?

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 21:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: "... that "Tomorrow Never Dies", Sheryl Crow's theme song to the James Bond film of the same name, received a Golden Globe Award nomination for Best Original Song?" --Another Believer _(Talk) 22:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Faber

... that Erasmus knew three unrelated people called Jacob Faber?

Created by User:Johnbod, User:Qp10qp, User:Wetman. Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 15:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

article previously a redirect to one of the others. Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. However, I don't see in the article that Erasmus knew three unrelated people called Jacob Faber. I see a list which names another person as known to Erasmus. Where is the third? The hook, or something similar to it, has to actually be in the article, I believe. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Which one can't you see he knew? The subject, or the Etaples or Deventer ones? I suggest you look again anyway.~~ Sorry, my mistake; the most central relationship was not spelled out - now added. Johnbod (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russ Conway

... that character actor Russ Conway played the father of Disney's The Hardy Boys and the officer who retrieved Joan Crawford's body at the end of What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?

Created by Billy Hathorn. Self nom at 15:49, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please check for rewording so the article is not as close to the source.
(article) He was Elvis Presley's friend Ed Galt in Presley's screen debut, "Love Me Tender." He also played the police officer who discovered Joan Crawford's body on the beach at the end of What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?
( source) He was Elvis Presley's buddy Ed Galt in the King's debut film "Love Me Tender." Mr. Conway played the police officer who discovered Joan Crawford's body on the beach at the end of "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?" —Mattisse (Talk) 19:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Pankhurst (academic)

... that Richard Pankhurst, founder of the Institute of Ethiopian Studies, is the son of suffragette Sylvia Pankhurst?

Created by Warofdreams (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksander Świętochowski

... that Aleksander Świętochowski (pictured) was a founder and the leading ideologist of Polish Positivism?

5x expanded by Nihil novi (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged as Stub. ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've corrected the article from "Stub" to "Start" class. Nihil novi (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded size and date verified. Off-line source for hook accepted on good faith. AdjustShift (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Katie White

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 19:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Chinese" links to a disambiguation page. Pls re-link to a regular article. --74.14.21.186 (talk) 02:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Art LaPella (talk) 07:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook's ref (#6) is a mirror site of Wikipedia, which ain't reliable. Can you find another reliable source to use for verifying this fact? Jamie^☆S93 14:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Didn't spot that have now linked it to the reference on the bands web site Thruxton (talk) 15:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history good. The band's website is generally not a reliable source, but for the source of their own name, they would know best. Also, could you start using the new nomination template, {{NewDYKnom}}? Shubinator (talk) 16:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brachygobius nunus

... that the Golden banded goby is differentiated from similar species by the structure of its anal fin?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of the sources provided are reliable. This is a hobby website and this is an article published by hobbyists in a newsletter. Awadewit (talk) 20:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please point me to the policy regarding "hobby websites" being categorically unreliable so I can familiarize myself with it. Thanks. --Boston (talk) 00:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm familiar with our general guidelines about sources and I see nothing in them which excludes information taken from hobbyists. It does say "Reliable non-academic sources may also be used" and I consider people obsessed with keeping, breeding, talking about, and writing about gobies to be a reliable source for the simple statement made in the hook. --Boston (talk) 01:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing that indicates that these are peer-reviewed, fact-checked sources, which would make them reliable. Awadewit (talk) 01:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And there is no Wikipedia guideline or DYK guideline I am aware of that says those are the only sources we use. Quote with emphasis added: Many Wikipedia articles rely on scholarly material. Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources when available.--Boston (talk) 01:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would be inclined to accept these sources in this case. The authors of the one source identify themselves, and both sources are published on sites that, while not academic, care enough about themselves not to post junk. If this were a FAC I would say go dig up a better source (since I'm sure this claim is mundane enough to be found in any fish book that mentions gobies), but the standards here don't need to be so rigorous, and this claim is not a controversial one. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
These are not appropriate sources. Please provide moar. Kthnxbai. Synergy 01:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can identify themselves on a website - that doesn't matter. These sources don't meet the bare minimum of our policy of RS. Awadewit (talk) 01:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that they don't post junk is irrelevant. It's an unreliable source, and as Awadewit says, we don't have any reason to believe what these people are saying, because the information is not fact checked. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 01:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed with original description of hamilton who indicates same characteristic. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 01:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A book from 1822 does not represent modern scientific knowledge. The way species are differentiated has changed considerably, especially with the discovery of evolution and genetics, both of which took place after 1822. Awadewit (talk) 13:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the hook slightly to "... the Golden banded goby was originally differentiated from similar species by the structure of its anal fin?" should remedy that, since Hamilton (1822) was the original describer of the species.Rlendog (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Rlendog's alt hook (above) is fine, and gets around the problems discussed above. Length and history are fine, too. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ALT hook is not acceptable. It ~~strongly~~ implies that the information given by Hamilton has since been proven incorrect or is no longer used and there is zero indication of that. In fact, we have contemporary expert sources that are in agreement. We use pre-20th century sources for hooks all the time. We use non-academic sources for hooks all the time. The level scrutiny and lack of AFG given to the first hook in this discussion is not appropriate and is in no way consistent with the way DYK hooks are generally scrutinized. What is going on here? --Boston (talk) 23:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the ALT necessarily implies that...my reading was that, if it implies anything, it implies that the anal fin is what made them first recognize it as a different species. Anyway, like I said above, I thought your sources were acceptable, but unfortunately consensus is against us. Can you dig up a more modern source that says this same stuff, just to appease everyone? I agree that you shouldn't have to here, but in any case it would be the easiest way to satisfy everyone and get this all taken care of. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 00:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. I thought of it too but I'm not sure that solution would leave me feeling satisfied as it sets a precedent with which I'm not comfortable. If we are going to hold DYK to FAC standards, let's decide that and revise DYK guidelines to state such explicitly. In the meanwhile (so far) only one editor has expressed opinion that the hook, as currently cited, is not acceptable. The objection mentions evolution and genetics, but state-of-the-art genetic determinations are involved only with high-profile, well-funded species -- zebra, gorilla, etc. This research has not been conducted on the majority of plants and animals which are differentiated by differences in physiology. There is little funding to map the genome of snakebark maples, copepods, or gobies. Besides this point, the differentiation referred to in the hook is a human process; people differentiate these fish by the means indicated. Is this point under dispute? If so, why? Perhaps I am out-of-touch, but I still tend to regard DYK discussion as one of the most goodwill-filled and well-functioning areas of Wikipedia. In this case I am getting a different impression. The review of this innocuous hook seems to have become an inexplicable contest and I am curious why. --Boston (talk) 01:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just one. Ed, Awadewit, Synergy, and PeterSymonds have all complained about the source. I thought the source was fine, but to be honest, rather than seeing this nom become a rallying point for a crusade for or against sourcing standards at DYK, I would prefer to just see everyone work together to reach a consensus and get this to the main page. If it takes adding another source, then we can add another source; if it takes choosing a different fact for the hook, we can choose a different fact for the hook. There's no need to drag this out by turning it into a fight that people are going to pile onto. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're mistaken. Since Hamilton was added only Awadewit has objected. We now have Weber and de Deaufort in addition to Hamilton. I can choose a different fact but its going to come from the same sources so what is the use? On the other hand, on second review I agree that the ALT doesn't necessarily imply what I said it does so there's no great harm in using it. While the "originally" part is real annoying, debating about the ass fins of a 4 cm long fish I never heard of a week ago us making me want to shoot myself. --Boston (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. There is no expiration date on biological species descriptions - Hamilton's original description will remain valid until/unless the species is re-described by someone else, which as far as I can determine has not been done. For what it's worth, Weber and de Deaufort's The Fishes of the Indo-Australian Archipelago (1911) corroborate Hamilton's description. Don't know if that's recent enough. -- Yzx (talk) 01:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then can we go with the original hook? --Boston (talk) 03:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) I just want to support the comment from Yzx - Hamilton (1822) is a source of original taxonomic description - far from being "old" or "unreliable", it is in one sense the most reliable source as it forms the basis of the species current taxonomy. See the (cited) Integrated Taxonomic Information System, for example. I'm also a bit surprised at the level of concern about the sources for this article, at DYK stage, though the early refs were limited. In any case, it appears to be a problem now solved. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 04:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beam-index tube

... that after spending a decade in development, Philco gave up on their "Apple" tube color television system because it was too expensive to put into production?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Large sections of this article are unsourced. Awadewit (talk) 20:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well a) the hook is, and (b) where? Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eline Berings, Lucie Škrobáková

... that Eline Berings won the 60 metre hurdles event at the 2009 European Indoor Championships ahead of Lucie Škrobáková?

Actually, Eline Berings is new, Lucie Škrobáková is expanded. Self nom by Punkmorten (talk) at 10:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 22:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wild Rugby Academy

... that the Wild Rugby Academy was formed with the aim of establishing a German rugby union team in the European Challenge Cup by 2010?

Created by EA210269 (talk). Self nom at 09:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Needs fix-up, as all its paragraphs are one sentence long, with a few that are two sentences. Also, almost all the references are to the website of the Wild Rugby Academy, except for a press release in German, and a couple of articles that do not refer to the WRA. Is this a private academy or what?—Mattisse (Talk) 21:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt... that the Wild Rugby Academy was formed with the aim of building a German European Challenge Cup rugby union team by 2010? —Mattisse (Talk) 21:59, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I know, its a private academy but has the approval and support of the German rugby federation. Regarding English sources on it, international rugby and the IRB has not yet noticed that rugby is played outside the handful of traditional nations, finding non-German sources is therefore almost impossible. EA210269 (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elite Police

... "... that Pervez Musharraf criticised the Pakistan Elite Police because they were unable to shoot any of the gunmen taking part in the 2009 Lahore attack on Sri Lankan cricket team?

Created/expanded by yousaf465 (talk). Self nom at 08:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are several issues with this hook. (1) The article isn't mentioned in it. (2) Context is missing; it doesn't say which gunmen or even what incident is being referred to. Suggested alternative: "... that Pervez Musharraf criticised the Pakistan Elite Police because they were unable to shoot any of the gunmen taking part in the 2009 Lahore attack on Sri Lankan cricket team? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article currently isn't quite long enough for Did You Know. Please see C1 for details. Art LaPella (talk) 22:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook has been adopted.Did checked the length beforehand it was almost 2100 or something.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

The character count is currently at 1238. There is simply no way we can pass an article with just one sentence in three of the five sections. The other two sections are very short too. You need to include more info, and a few more refs would help. I will elaborate more on the article talk page. Chamal ^talk 03:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chamal is correct. Regardless of the overall article length (which, for the record, is not enough yet), the sections need to either be expanded, or merged into a single section. An article with single-sentence sections is not acceptable. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Improved with more sources.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Single lines removed.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Doneimprovements completed.User:Yousaf465 (talk)
- I have copyedited the article and merged sections. Now the only issue is that the article is short and often fails to provide context. I will let the rest of you be the judge of that stuff; my work here is done. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article links to no other articles. It is a total orphan. Are you sure this is the real name? I notice in the sources various names are used, or the name is used generically, without capitalisation. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also have had concerns about the naming. For example, the article claims they are also known as the "Police Commandos," but the reference for that just refers to them as "Pakistani police commandos," which is probably a generic term. I think there is a bit of a language barrier here, and it would help if we could get some input from someone else to find out what the real name of this group is. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It links to Punjab police and opertaions in which they were invloved.It's offical name is "Elite force",with some districts calling it "Elite police"[7],but in common use/slang they are also Know as Police commandos.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Articles created/expanded on March 6

Robert Gentilis

... that Robert Gentilis graduated from the University of Oxford aged 12 and became a Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford aged 17, below the minimum fellowship age of 18?

Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Hook is from the one source for the article, The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography which is a subscription. I would feel more comfortable if someone with access would check out this article. (Just one source for sizable article.) —Mattisse (Talk) 21:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anethole

... that anethole, cause of the ouzo effect (pictured) in anise-flavored alcoholic beverages, yields a derivative drug that may be used in novel self-microemulsifying drug delivery systems?

5x expanded by Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

4729/1160 = 4.1x expansion of prose. Please expand some more. Shubinator (talk) 04:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waah. I wasn't sure how to count it. Hold on... --Una Smith (talk) 05:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done: 6168/1182 = 5.2x --Una Smith (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size (5x expansion) verified. However, article has a ^{[citation needed]} tag. Also, Self-microemulsifying drug delivery system does not appear in the article, although it is in the hook. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Self-microemulsifying drug delivery system is linked in Anethole#Research, last sentence of 1st paragraph. ~~I'll clean up~~I have cleaned up the fact tags. Is there anything else I can do to make this a good hook? --Una Smith (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hornaday River, J. Keith Fraser

... that while Northern Canada’s Rivière La Roncière was discovered in 1868, its existence was disputed until J. Keith Fraser determined in the 1950s that it did exist and was now known as Hornaday River?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 22:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: (Hornaday created 3/6; Fraser created 3/9)Rosiestep (talk) 22:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Victoria's Secret Fashion Show models

... that during the 2008 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show there were no Asians on the roster of models?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 16:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date verified. Hook source verified, but I am not sure that the blog source is reliable.http://www.fashionologie.com/2509477 It describes itself thus on its Home page:

fashionologie is the musings of a twenty-something American girl who wishes she could have a Freaky Friday incident and switch bodies with Carine Roitfeld. http://www.fashionologie.com/page/36 —Mattisse (Talk) 21:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

30 of the 35 models have WP pages and this can be confirmed. The remaining five could probably be confirmed using www.fashionmodeldirectory.com.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:19, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you would rather we could go with (alt hook)... that the first Victoria's Secret Fashion Show featured models Stephanie Seymour, Beverly Peele and Frederique van der Wal?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George Keverian

... that George Keverian won election as a 21-year-old in 1954 to the Everett, Massachusetts Common Council, using a new MIT high-speed camera to put pictures of homes on fliers customized by address?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "In geographic names" paragraph of the comma article wants a comma after "Massachusetts", so I suggest reversing the words to "... the Common Council of Everett, Massachusetts, ..." Art LaPella (talk) 07:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Cole (writer), About Time (play)

... that though actors James Whitmore and Audra Lindley were divorced in 1979, the two starred in Tom Cole's 1990 production of About Time, as an elderly couple identified only as Old Man and Old Woman?

Created by Alansohn (talk), Bongomatic (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length OK, but few fixes would make Tom Cole (writer) article better (don't know if needed for DYK though):

You shouldn't have only one sentence in a paragraph.
The lead would be nicer if expanded. Maybe add death cause in the lead.
Infobox would be nice.
You shouldn't wikilink every time The New York Times occures in the references.

About Time (play) would also look nicer if sectionized. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hedley Donovan

... that editor Hedley Donovan was responsible for redirecting TIME from a biased magazine to a more neutral one?

Created/expanded by Diaa abdelmoneim (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that editor Hedley Donovan was responsible for redirecting TIME from a conservative magazine to one "more toward the middle"? ^Law_shoot! 10:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 03:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Masten-Quinn House

... that a 175-year-old shagbark hickory tree next to the Masten-Quinn House (pictured, with tree in foreground) in Wurtsboro, New York, has helped to date its construction? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 22:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article size and date verified. Not clear how the oak has helped to date the house's construction. (I get a Java error trying to view the source document.) —Mattisse (Talk) 23:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can get into the NRHP listings (you have to have a special Java thingy installed). Verified on p4 of the listing document; the tree was "estimated at 168 years old" when the doc was written in 2002. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But how does that help to date its construction, that the tree was "estimated at 168 years old when the doc was written"? Is there evidence the tree was planted at the time of construction? Or evidence the tree already there, or that it was planted after construction or what? —Mattisse (Talk) 16:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The document says, verbatim, "A shagbark hickory tree, estimated to be 168 years of age, is growing against the house, helping to establish the date of construction". It isn't clear explicitly what they mean by this, but the source definitely does assert that it is useful for that purpose. (Personally, I'd assume what it means is that the house must predate the tree; you're going to plant a tree outside a house, but you're never going to choose to build a house two feet away from a tree!) Nonetheless, I don't think we can really challenge the statement... Shimgray | talk | 18:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's the trouble. You have to "assume" an interpretation because nothing, not even the source, clearly states what the connection is. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this hook open-ended enough that this really isn't our concern? When I read it I wanted more, but that's all there was. So I wrote the hook this way. Must we apply our own standards to all the sources we use (See this somewhat comical AfD that starts out doing just that: "Andy Greenberg — the author of the Forbes article — doesn't get to violate WP:MADEUP and WP:NEO any more then any one here does). The source has been verified, it says what the hook says and at this point the discussion is for the article's talk page. Daniel Case (talk) 04:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting that you make anything up. Perhaps there is a more substantive fact from the article that states something more specifically. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is a problem at all. For all I know there's some really neat technical explanation to do with the branch structure or the growth pattern that makes it obvious to a specialist - the source doesn't say. We routinely accept statements that are not immediately clear to a non-expert, if they can be attributed to a reliable source which has itself done the research - the idea is that the expert does the heavy thinking and we just report their conclusions. Those conclusions are explicitly stated here, and whilst it'd be nice to know more it certainly isn't essential for an encyclopedia article... Shimgray | talk | 22:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rosary and scapular

... that the "Rosary and the Scapular are inseparable" (rosary beads and brown scapular pictured) are words attributed to the Virgin Mary during the Marian apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima in 1917?

Created/expanded by History2007 (talk). Nominated by Boston (talk) at 04:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; offline ref accepted IGF. Daniel Case (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hadwiger conjecture (combinatorial geometry)

... that any 3D convex body may be covered by smaller copies, the number of which equals the number of lights needed to illuminate the body, but it is unknown whether this number ever exceeds eight?

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article says sixteen always suffice in three dimensions. Granted, math is not my strong suit. Is this phrased some other way that I didn't pick up on? Daniel Case (talk) 03:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Medorem Crawford

... that Oregon politician Medorem Crawford's son was the first white American male born on the west side of the Willamette River?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 03:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bay Street Emeryville

... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall in the city of the same name was built on top of a toxic Indian burial ground and shellmound against the wishes of their descendants?-self nom and createdTroyster87 (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A toxic indian burial ground? Maybe

ALT1: ... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall was build on a Native American burial ground and a former nuclear waste dump site? ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall was built on top of a polluted Ohlone Indian burial ground and shellmound? would be more acceptable however i see nothing wrong with the original proposal. toxic indian burial ground is a very unique thing about the location and it is well sourced that the mall is built on an Ohlone burial ground and that it is toxic, it is therefore a mall on a toxic site/burial ground Troyster87 (talk) 04:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indian burial ground is a redlink... ∗ \ / (⁂) 11:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is not the encyclopedia title Bay Street Emeryville Mall? Surely we can avouid the phrase "toxic Indian burial ground" on Wikipedia's Main Page, no matter how it's justified.--Wetman (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"is not the title" "avouid" riiiight. anyways, what is the problem with toxic indian burial ground? that's what it is, that's what makes it interesting, that's what makes it unique. what's the argument for disinclusion? why should we avoid it? because you think it sounds bad?Troyster87 (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: This editor is a now-banned sock puppet. While the article seems okay on first inspection, I had to remove a key fact from the article since the references do not mention this as a waste dump, nuclear or not, just that toxic waste was found on the site. There is no mention of "nuclear" anything in the source articles. I've added an ALT2 suggestion below.

ALT2: ... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall was build on a Native American burial ground and a former toxic waste contaminated site? - Dravecky (talk) 18:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference good. What are we doing for credits? Shubinator (talk) 21:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Cisco Kid (TV series)

... that the 1950–1956 syndicated series The Cisco Kid featured Duncan Renaldo and Leo Carrillo as the first Hispanic television stars in the United States?

Created by User:Billy Hathorn (talk), Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. However, source for hook http://www.tv.com/cisco-kid/show/6111/summary.html did not verify "Duncan Renaldo and Leo Carrillo as the first Hispanic television stars in the United States". Also, there are numerous references to imbd.com which in general is not a reliable source for most purposes. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference about first Hispanic actors corrected. This series was on the air for six years and has not had its own story.Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Traffic light control and coordination

... that there are different traffic light control and coordination systems such as fixed time control and dynamic control?

Created by Velela (talk) and Triskele Jim (talk). Nominated by SriMesh (talk) at 20:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook isn't very strong, but it also is not clearly tied to an in-line citation of a fact. See DYK rules at top of page. The article needs work on its references generally, but this wouldn't stop it going ahead for DYK if an editor just wants to make sure the fact(s) in the hook are based directly on an in-line cited source. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minhag America, Union Prayer Book, Gates of Prayer, Mishkan T'filah

... that Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise's 1857 Minhag America, an effort at a prayer book for American Reform Jews, was supplanted by the Union Prayer Book in the 1890s, which in turn was replaced by Gates of Prayer in the 1975 and then Mishkan T'filah in 2007?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

/ Everything good to go but the hook's something like 250 characters. I know under normal circumstances the hook is supposed to be less than 200, but are exceptions made when there are multiple articles? Otherwise though, perfectly fine. Bsimmons666 (talk) 02:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1780 Atlantic hurricane season

... that the 1780 Atlantic hurricane season is the only season to date that had three hurricanes that caused at least 1,000 deaths each?

Created by Bender235 (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. But I do not see a source for the hook, "that the 1780 Atlantic hurricane season is the only season to date that had three hurricanes that caused at least 1,000 deaths each." There were three hurricanes, but it does not say that each caused more than 1,000 deaths, nor that this season is the only one with three hurricanes that caused at least 1,000 deaths each. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Wilhelm von Willisen

... that the Prussian general Karl Wilhelm von Willisen, a special envoy of King Frederick William IV of Prussia throughout the Greater Poland Uprising (1848) was largely criticized for his actions by the local populace as being polonophile and had to leave the Grand Duchy of Posen quietly just 2 weeks after his arrival.

Created/expanded by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 13:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This hook is far too long. DYK hooks are supposed to be a short, punchy, and interesting fact, not just trying to say as much stuff as you can (in fact, it's better to say as little as you can, while still keeping it interesting and "hooking"—the usual goal is about 150–160 characters). For an example, you could write this same hook in a much shorter way:
ALT1: ... that the Prussian general Karl Wilhelm von Willisen was forced out of the Grand Duchy of Posen for being pro-Polish?
That being said, I don't know how interesting this hook is, so if you could take some time to try to find a good, interesting fact in the article, it would be helpful. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's my first attempt at DYK, so I beg your patience. It's rather the fact he had to leave after 2 weeks as a Royal envoy because he became unpopular among the populace, I thougt might be unusual and interesting. HerkusMonte (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That can also be written in a short hook:
ALT2: ... that the Prussian general Karl Wilhelm von Willisen was forced out of the Grand Duchy of Posen only two weeks after his arrival? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me, Thanks. HerkusMonte (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 03:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Friedrich August Peter von Colomb

... that Prussian general Friedrich August Peter von Colomb commanded the Prussian forces throughout the Greater Poland Uprising of 1848?

Created by HerkusMonte (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 15:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article started March 3; length verified. I cannot find verification for hook. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(note to DYK editor: you are right; the comment above belongs here. Sorry. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC))

Articles created/expanded on March 5

Gabriel Goldney, 1st Baronet

... that railway engineer Roland Brotherhood blamed Gabriel Goldney, M.P. for Chippenham, for the failure of his business?

Created/expanded by Rodhullandemu (talk). Self nom at 17:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified.

However, I don't think the hook is interesting. So what that he blamed Goldney? —Mattisse (Talk) 19:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, if 19th century political corruption is not to your taste: ALT ... that Gabriel Goldney, M.P. for Chippenham, is commemorated in a stained glass window of The Foundling Hospital? --Rodhull andemu 19:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Small house movement

... that with the financial crisis of 2008–2009 the small house movement has attracted more attention?

Created by ekem (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russula fellea

... that the bitter and inedible mushroom Russula fellea (pictured) smells of geraniums or apple sauce?

Created by Luridiformis (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 11:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From the image it looks like this is a kind of mushroom, no? — Bellhalla (talk) 15:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh! Yes, that's right; 'mushroom' duly inserted above. Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, image verified; AGF on offline references. Should the image be on Commons instead of En? Shubinator (talk) 01:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, not sure why. Could ask teh uploader I guess....Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I talked with the uploader, and he doesn't want to upload pictures to Commons. Shubinator (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luigi Pernier

... that archaeologist Luigi Pernier, who found the Phaistos Disc (pictured), is suspected of having forged it?

Created by Neddyseagoon (talk). Nominated by Ghirlandajo (talk) at 15:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and reference for hook verified. However, the only reference in the entire article is for the hook. The article is poorly written with incomplete sentences. An obvious "rush job". I don't know what the DKY rules are regarding the quality of the article. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But the subject is fascinating :) DYK is not about featured stuff, it's about giving Main Page readers a chance to pick up an interesting article and to improve it. There is very little information about Pernier in English. The page about sums up everything that we know. --Ghirla^-трёп- 10:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

prose tidied; though more refs would be nice, article meets dyk quality threshold, such as it is. Johnbod (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged it with {{morefootnotes}}; there are sources given at the end of the article, so adding inline citations should be an easy task for someone who speaks the language and has access to those sources (ie, the person who wrote the article). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Ghirla ... I have added two footnotes Victuallers (talk) 12:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new refs are helpful, but I'm not sure I agree with the removal of the {{morefootnotes}} template...there are still entire paragraphs that are uncited, and both the sources in the bibliography (the Italian source and the Nature editorial) are not footnoted anywhere in the text, they're just sitting there. I guess it's not enough to block this from DYK, but it should still be cleaned up for its own sake. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think DYKs should send the right message to the community. At this moment, FAC is thinking about raising the standards for reliable sources, as FAC editors perceive the community as failing to understand the importance of correct referencing. I don't think DYK should lower the standards from what is Wikipedia policy. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, the German wikipedia article from which this one was translated did not have inline citations, hence the initial lack of them here. However, I do not have access to the sources cited in that original article's 'Sources' and 'Links' sections. Neddyseagoon - talk 23:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are also discussions about translations, that is, that automatic translations not be used without consulting a person who is fluent in both languages etc. Other Wikipedias have lower sourcing standards that the English Wikipedia, so it is especially necessary to source the information translated. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is sourced, just not in-line yet. Neddyseagoon - talk 15:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For most purposes on Wikipedia, something that is not source in-line is effectively not sourced at all. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) Not sure if we can promote this if the sources of the information aren't clear even to the article creator. I know in the past DYK has had a reputation for promoting articles with a single footnote, but that doesn't make it right. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK should observe not set policy. We ask that the hook is cited inline. Does anyone suspect this story is untrue? If so then fine, but we must also assume AGF and that the German wikipedians also deserve some respect. This is not the place to develop policy. Articles are meant to improve by going through the DYK process. This one has. Promote. Victuallers (talk) 13:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that DYK should not set policy. However, DYK articles should observe the core policies and guidelines that already exist, such as Notability, Verifiability, Reliable sources and Citing sources by not promoting on the main page articles that do not minimally follow these principles. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the hook itself, shouldn't "is suspected of having forged it" really be "has been accused of having forged it", based on the text in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dravecky (talk • contribs) 16:33, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drawings by Douglas Hamilton

... that at least 212 drawings by Douglas Hamilton (example pictured) illustrate his big game hunting experiences, forestry operations and Army surveys of new hill stations in Tamil Nadu, South India, in the mid 1800's?

Created/expanded by Marcus334 (talk). Self nom at 04:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the hook, the word surveys goes to long disambiguation page. I do not think this is good for a hook on the main page. Much of the article seems to be the Table of Contents of a book. Isn't there some policy/guideline discouraging the listings of TOC—Mattisse (Talk) 19:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article is about 181 drawings published in 6 different volumes. TOC are not used.--Marcus (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N11 also forbids linking to a disambiguation. I changed it to surveying, which I think matches the intended meaning better than military alternatives like reconnaissance. Art LaPella (talk) 22:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N11 does not forbid linking to a disambiguation.

The reference uses the word survey, though Wikipedia meaning (precise geometrical measurement of land ) is off the mark. I linked to Scout because first sentence there does convey intended meaning. Scouting for Medical intelligence was his assignment, but medical intelligence term is not used in the article or references. Maybe leave it alone, link to medical intelligence or avoid issue entirely by de-linking the word survey?--Marcus (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N11 doesn't technically forbid linking to a disambiguation, but it says to correct such links. I recently copied that rule from WP:DYK, and for a more authoritative guideline see WP:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages. The sentence at Scout is about a soldier performing reconnaissance, so I don't know how that could be better than linking to Reconnaissance. For now I just unlinked it. Art LaPella (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

updated hook to include new section Forests and Gardens of South India. Relinked surveys accurately portrays his Army work. Now 196 characters excluding (example pictured)--Marcus (talk) 14:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 4

Li Su

... that, to defeat the warlord Wu Yuanji, the Tang Dynasty general Li Su launched a surprise attack in a heavy snowstorm against Wu's capital?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 06:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a new article that displaced a redirect.Nlu (talk) 06:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination for Wu Yuanji below can be merged here if appropriate. --Nlu (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's at #Wu Yuanji. --74.14.21.186 (talk) 02:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that according to the Zizhi Tongjian, the Tang Dynasty general Li Su launched a surprise attack to defeat the warlord Wu Yuanji in a heavy snowstorm?

This article also has a bare URL; same one I think. Shubinator (talk) 19:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not the same one — they're both links to the Academia Sinica's Chinese-Western Web-based calendar conversion program. The reason why I did not "unbare" the link is because the program does not have an official English name, and I didn't want to impose one. --Nlu (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Be Bold Nlu ... decide its name for now. A single bare url is not a reason to hold the hook. Victuallers (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plasmatron

... that a decade of development by several major electronics companies failed to turn the Plasmatron into a successful television system?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I said with Geer tube, this just isn't unusual. Daniel Case (talk) 15:31, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Plasmatron television screens combined rows formed from liquid crystals with columns formed from plasma cells? (this hook would need, as does much of the article, better inline referencing but it's hookier) - Dravecky (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like the alt! Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anastasios Christodoulou

... that Greek Cypriot academic Anastasios Christodoulou, the Foundation Secretary of Britain's Open University, was the son of a cobbler?

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 11:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt ... that Greek Cypriot academic Anastasios Christodoulou was named 'Anastasios' ('Resurrection') by his parents as he was born on Easter Day? Jack1956 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 00:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake...I substantially expanded the article but forgot to change the rating. Now corrected. Jack1956 (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If we were going to use the 2nd hook might we save this article for Orthodox Easter 2009 (April 19)? --Boston (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Let's. That's the only way it would become interesting enough ... I'm sure he's not the only Anastasios in the world who got that name from being born on Easter. Daniel Case (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 3

Leptotrombidium

... that Leptotrombidium, a genus of mites, are the vector for scrub typhus?

5x expanded by Gak (talk). Nominated by Carlossuarez46 (talk) at 17:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

long, resolved discussion collapsed, ALTs reproduced below. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a lay reader, I have no idea what this mean...I assume vector means "carrier" but I'm not sure. Please reword the hook to be more accessible and interesting to non-specialists. Linking "vector" (I assume to vector (biology)) would help, but I think more rewording would also be good. Also, on the side, should the genus name be italicized? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about ... that mites of the genus Leptotrombidium are carriers of Orientia tsutsugamushi, the causative pathogen for scrub typhus, and are vectors for the disease's transmission to humans? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't look at this before, but right now the article's not long enough; an article for DYK has to be at least 1500 prose characters (not counting references, formatting, etc; the easiest way to count it is to use User:Dr pda/prosesize.js.
Assuming you guys can expand it a bit, I still think the hook is a bit confusing (personally, I don't know the difference between a carrier and a vector, and if I don't know then I imagine most of the dumb dumbs reading the main page won't either), and would suggest the following truncated version:
ALT2: ... that mites of the genus Leptotrombidium are carriers of Orientia tsutsugamushi, the germ that causes scrub typhus? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook edited to read: ALT3 ... "Leptotrombidium is a genus of harvest mites, that are able to infect humans with scrub typhus (Orientia tsutsugamushi infection) through their bite?" It is very short, I agree, and any help to expand the article would be much appreciated! --Gak (talk) 14:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I think ALT2 is clearer and more interesting. Anyway, the article is long enough now, but I'm having some difficulty understanding the second paragraph (about how the mites are not vectors). Is it supposed to be saying that an adult can't infect a human because it's already feeding on a rat, but when it gives birth then its babies might move on to a human in infect it? If so, it would be useful if you could clarify that within the article (right now it's only vaguely mentioned, through a linked jargon word that I had to click to find more information, and to be honest the Transovarial transmission article is not very helpful). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to say that I disagree with dropping "vector" from the hook. I am presuming that the only reason for doing so is that there is an objection that not everyone will understand it. The term has a precise meaning in epidemology which a rewording cannot exactly convey. Wikipedia would be a very sad encyclopedia if it only used words and terms that absolutely everyone understood (and if they understand already, why read any articles). It is especially sad as there is a perfectly good article that can be wikilinked to help anyone who needs an explanation. SpinningSpark 19:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a moot point, as the article appears to say that the mites are not vectors of this pathogen. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? What language in the article gives you that impression? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"It was originally thought that rodents were the main reservoir for O. tsutsugamushi and that the mites were merely vectors of infection: however, it is now known that the mites only feed once in their lifetime, which means that transmission from rodent to human is impossible." I read that as "it was originally thought that the mites were vectors, but now we don't think so anymore." I was under the impression that that means they're carriers, not vectors. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that means that it was originally thought that mites were the vectors, and rodents were the reservoir of the disease. It is now thought that mites are the vector and reservoir of the disease. SpinningSpark 14:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then that paragraph in the article needs to be written. If we already have two intelligent people reaching different conclusions about what it means, then it's not ready to be shown to two thousand people on the main page.
As for the vector/carrier wording in the hook....if the mite is both vector and reservoir, I don't see why it matters which term we use for the hook. As far as I know, "carrier" is the most common and easily recognizable term for the general public, and would make the best and most readable hook. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one person reaching a different conclusion in this conversation as far as I can tell. In any case, you should not be using a term in the hook that is neither in the article, in the source nor proposed by the author. SpinningSpark 16:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm simply saying, I couldn't understand the article, and we shouldn't be promoting an article that I couldn't understand. If the wording confused me, there are plenty of other people it will also confuse. It should be easy to clean up. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) I think it is a poor reason to reject an article because you are having difficulty understanding one sentence in it. I don't really know whether or not it is reasonable to change vector to carrier, but what is perfectly clear after looking at a few epidemiology text books ([8][9][10]) is that they all make a careful distinction between vector and carrier when defining terms. As you appear to have no more knowledge of the subject than me, I think it would be very unwise to make a change to a technical term as you have done in ALT2. The author has offered ALT3 which avoids using both terms so probably does not agree with your change either but does not want to say so. I think someone should review this article now for the usual requirements, I will do it myself as you do not seem willing and everyone else is steering clear. I have also taken the liberty of wikilinking "vector" in the original hook in case that is the one that is chosen. SpinningSpark 02:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~File:Symbol confirmed.svg~~ Length ok (2023), date ok, hook sources verified (2,3 and 5). SpinningSpark 02:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 is fine and article length and history are good, but the article isn't ready to be promoted until the fact is actually clear. It should be simple to clarify the text in the article, and once someone does that then I can tick it. If you disagree, then leave a message at WT:DYK asking for more input here. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have notified Gak (the article creator), so hopefully this can be cleared up soon. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to go with ALT3 then the fact you think is unclear is no longer in the hook so the hook does not have a problem. There may still be improvements needed in the article but DYK does not require perfection. SpinningSpark 11:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 is verifiable, yes, but the point is that this hook directs the reader to a part of the text that is confusing, and there's no point doing that when cleaning up that text should be quite simple. I don't see any reason for us to fight tooth and nail over keeping in some awkward text, which is why I have contacted Gak to try to have that section fixed so we can forget about all this. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am not fighting tooth and nail to keep in some awkward text. I am perfectly happy for the text to be improved. What I am trying to do is prevent you from rejecting a perfectly good article on the spurious grounds that it is difficult to understand. I understand it, we must presume Gak understands it since he wrote it and Carlossuarez46 has expressed astonishment that you could even put that interpretation on the text. No one else has commented. That leaves you. The hook is good, the article is good, the source is good. It is well above the average for quality of sourcing seen on DYK. It should be approved whether or not the text gets improved before its DYK nom runs out. SpinningSpark 21:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nominations don't run out. As long as there is discussion the nom won't be deleted. Shubinator (talk) 21:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I never said I wanted to reject the article. If I wanted to reject it, I wouldn't have spent all this time talking about trying to improve it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No response from Gak in 4 days; have contacted Carlossuarez46, the nominator. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have clarified the second paragraph, which should now be understandable to all. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am going to reproduce the various suggested hooks here so we can choose one:

original: ... that Leptotrombidium, a genus of mites, are the vector for scrub typhus?
ALT1: ... that mites of the genus Leptotrombidium are carriers of Orientia tsutsugamushi, the causative pathogen for scrub typhus, and are vectors for the disease's transmission to humans?
ALT2: ... that mites of the genus Leptotrombidium are carriers of Orientia tsutsugamushi, the germ that causes scrub typhus?
ALT3: ... that Leptotrombidium is a genus of harvest mites that are able to infect humans with scrub typhus (Orientia tsutsugamushi infection) through their bite?

I'll take a look at these in a moment. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer ALT2 and ALT3, as the first two are not very accessible to lay readers. There are some problems in the article that need to be cleared up, though. Mainly, none of these hooks are referenced with a direct inline citation; there are three footnotes for the fact that the pathogen is passed from mite to mite transovarially, and one footnote for the fact that it mainly affects humans, but no footnotes for anything about how the disease gets to humans. And since no dois are given for the references, I can't check them myself. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In regard to transmission to humans;

Ref 5 says "Scrub typhus (tsutsugamushi disease) is an infectious disease transmitted by attaching of the larval trombiculid mites of a particular colony infected transovarially with a Rickettsia species, Orientia tsutsugamushi."
Ref 6 (in the context of human disease) says "The main host and vector were Rattus norvegicus and Leptotrombidium (L.) deliens respectively.
Ref 9 says "From these results, we conclude that Kawasaki-type rickettsiae are transmitted by L. scutellare and Karp-type ones are transmitted by L. pallidum"

That all seems clear enough, humans get the disease from mites, as if there was really any doubt. I might also point out that humans were not mentioned in the original hook and the problem does not arise at all if you use that. Ref 6, by the way, confirms the use of the "vector" terminology. Alt-2 should be struck altogether as none of the sources, or indeed the textbooks I linked to above, support Alt-2's terminology. It is OR and quite possibly even wrong. SpinningSpark 18:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That leaves us with ALT3; the original and ALT1 are not good hooks. If someone cleans up the references in the article then it should be ready (even if the refs you cited above do support the hook, they need to appear in footnotes directly after the hook; also, we can't pass an article with a {{refimprove}} cleanup tag). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is acting entirely in bad faith to call for a discussion on the choice of hook and then to immediately strike out the alternatives the moment someone disagrees with your choice. It is also disingeneous to fail the article because of a cleanup template you have just put there yourself. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that DYK rules reject articles with cleanup templates in any case. I maintain that the article is, in any case, very well referenced - what did you have in mind when you templated it? The purpose of the DYK rules calling for an inline cite immediately after the fact is to make it easy for DYK to find and check the references without reading through all of them. Since we have now gone to the trouble of looking at the refs in detail, I would suggest that requirement is now superfluous and an obvious case for WP:IAR. SpinningSpark 19:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I templated it because there were multiple paragraphs that were totally unreferenced, and I said so in my edit summary. As for striking out the alternatives, I only struck out the ones that I already said (weeks ago, before I had ever even put forth my own) were not acceptable; it had nothing to do with the fact that you "disagreed with my choice"; there's nothing "bad faith" about my striking hooks that were deemed unacceptable 10 days ago, since no one challenged my criticism of the hooks back then. And I left ALT3 for people to work with. Try assuming a little good faith. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You rolled up all the previous discussion and then restated the alternative hooks as if you were open to discussion. This was clearly not the case. It would have been more honest of you to state only your chosen hook, or to strike the others out from the start to indicate they are not acceptable. It is dishonest to pretent to have a debate to make it look good. In regard to the unreferenced paragraphs, you are applying FAC standards to DYK, and on parts of the article that have little to do with any of the hooks so far discussed. SpinningSpark 20:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I rolled up the previous discussion because it was getting to be a pain to scroll through all of it, and it was all resolved anyway (the discussion was focusing on the vector/whatever distinction, which Carlossuarez cleared up); I reproduced all the hooks there so they could be compared together, since before that they were scattered all over the place. I wasn't trying to hide anything from you, so stop accusing me of being "dishonest" or "pretending" to do anything. If you haven't noticed, I am the one who's been going around contacting people and trying to get the article cleaned up, so you really need to lay off the accusations and stop assuming that my entire goal in life is to fail some article. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, you misunderstand, I was not accusing you of trying to hide anything. But by rolling up the previous discussion you were indicating that it is no longer relevant. By relisting all the hooks you are indicating that it is possible to choose any one of them. You had previously declared your preference, but by displaying them all you are inviting comments from others. You got one comment in favour of the original hook. You then struck that hook. Do you not see how that comes across as not being willing to collaborate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spinningstark (talk • contribs) 21:26, 13 March 2009

In regards to rules and cleanup tags, Additional Rule D5 says The article is likely to be rejected for having dispute tags. Shubinator (talk) 20:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That tag is indeed listed on the template dispute tags page but it is just a copy from the sources of articles templates page. Does this really amount to a dispute? I have not heard Rjanag actually dispute anything in the article as possibly innacurate. I think it would be better if the two unreferenced paras were tagged "cite needed" and the top template removed since the article does have substantial referencing. SpinningSpark 21:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The logic of this is that an article that is not 100% referenced will get a cleanup template from the DYK reviewer. The article will then be rejected for having a cleanup template. The result of that is that only articles with FAC level of referencing will get through DYK. I'm not sure that is the result that is intended by rule D5. SpinningSpark 21:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're exaggerating. Things that are "not 100%" referenced, but mostly referenced, get a {{fact}} tag or two. Things that are extremely lacking in references, or have large chunks with no references at all, get a cleanup template; that's not a FAC standard, it's a Wikipedia standard. Above, you questioned why I used a general cleanup template rather than fact tags; this is why. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have inline cited the Alt-3 hook fact. Note that this has caused the ref numberifnto change. SpinningSpark 20:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see evidence of bad faith here. The article does need more inline citations as currently large chunks of the article are essentially unreferenced. The work to add these should be simple and, once it's completed, this fine hook can be promoted. - Dravecky (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking it might be time to remove this one...there is still outstanding cleanup needed that is probably not going to happen (given the author's unresponsiveness) and it's over 10 days since the article was started. I'm not going to {{DYKno}} it or remove it myself, as I would probably be accused of having ulterior motives, but there's my two cents. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded for Saint Patrick's Day 2009 (March 17)

Brodir and Ospak of Man

... that Brodir and Ospak of Man were two 11th century Danish brothers who fought on opposite sides at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014?

Created by Grimhelm (talk) in 2005; expanded fivefold by Grimhelm (talk) on 3 March 2009. Self nom at 14:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook reference verified. Superb article. Appropriate for St. Patrick's Day if we want to hold it over 'til then. --Boston (talk) 14:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, that's a thought. I might consider expanding one of the battle's other participants (Sigurd the Stout or Sigtrygg Silkbeard) to DYK length for the day as well. --Grimhelm (talk) 19:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you can concoct a hook incorporating two or more of these? --Boston (talk) 21:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps: ... that Brodir and Ospak of Man were two 11th century Danish brothers who fought on opposite sides at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014, for King Sigtrygg Silkbeard of Dublin and High King Brian Ború of Ireland respectively?

In any case, I have referred this to the Norse history and culture Wikiproject. We should be able to get something done on the weekend before St. Patrick's Day. --Grimhelm (talk) 15:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a hella long hook! ALT: "... that Brodir and Ospak of Man were two 11th century Danish brothers who fought for King Sigtrygg Silkbeard of Dublin and High King of Ireland Brian Ború respectively? --Boston (talk) 02:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NB: Sigtrygg Silkbeard article hasn't been expanded yet, 1st hook only approved. --Boston (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the length of the hook. Maybe we could keep the Brodir and Ospak of Man hook on its own, and have a separate hook for Gormlaith and Sigtrygg Silkbeard? I have already started drafts (U:G/G and U:G/SS), and should have them at target length next weekend. --Grimhelm (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garda ar Lár

... that the Irish TV series Garda ar Lár focused on an incident which preceded Minister for Defence Paddy Donegan's "thundering disgrace" remarks and President Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh's resignation? (new article, self-nom, with the President's pic) --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 00:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Thundering disgrace" is tagged with {{fact}}. Daniel Case (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved with a number of different sources (just in case). Thank you for not giving it a delete vote. --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 21:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Want to hold this over for Lá Fhéile Pádraig? --Boston (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there aren't enough, yes... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 23:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to holding pen. ∗ \ / (⁂) 00:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the Street Where You Live (TV series)

... that the TV documentary series On the Street Where You Live featured contributions from locals, historians and the Grand Marshall of the 2008 Saint Patrick's Day parade in Kilkenny? (new article, self-nom) --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 21:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I discovered a Saint Patrick's Day connection here so I thought it would be appropriate... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 21:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - This is the link that mentions it. --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 22:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the Name of the Grandfather

... that The Simpsons episode "In the Name of the Grandfather" is scheduled to debut March 17 on Sky One and will be the first episode of the show to air in Europe before airing in the United States? (new article, self-nom) -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a episode that will air on St. Patrick's day in Ireland and will be Irish themed (whether or not it will be SPD-themed is yet to be seen), so I thought it belonged here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Just after hearing of this and was going to do it if it hadn't already been done – and give this exact hook – it's perfect for the day! :D --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 09:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Perhaps specify "will air on St. Patrick's Day in Ireland before the United States?" or else say "... premiering on St. Patrick's Day 2009 in Ireland, The Simpsons episode "In the Name of the Grandfather" features a visit to Blarney Castle?" --Boston (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Really? Is Blarney Castle all that eye-catching from a non-Irish perspective? Isn't this the one with Glen Hansard? Or has everyone forgotten him already? Very hard to keep up with the latest trends... I had him inserted into a DYK hook myself only a few weeks ago... also bear in mind that when this goes on the Main Page it should read "today". It would be wonderful if we could co-ordinate it to say "airing right now"! :D --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I had no idea who Glen Hansard is before clicking his link. I figured Blarney Castle was a relatively general reference since the word blarney has entered the English language. I could also easily expand the Blarney Castle article 5x so we could "dark link" Blarney Castle. Just suggestions. --Boston (talk) 04:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Oh well... :( I had better get him to GA quick as he's a possible popular search topic for that day – and his current article leaves a lot to be desired. I see the point about Blarney Castle... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 16:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        The episode hasn't been officially announced through Fox's publicity website yet, so I'm not sure who is guest starring in the final version. A year ago, the EP said Kenneth Branagh would guest star as the pub owner, but recent interviews have said Colm Meaney, and none have said anything new about Hansard/Irglova. Once there is an official press release, the hook could include mention of the guest stars. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Maybe...but that means this by Hot Press (who are usually correct about these things) is wrong... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 19:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I might be able to help expand the Blarney Castle article if you wanted. I think it would be deserving of its own separate hook, but that's up to yourselves. --Grimhelm (talk) 22:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's all very fine and well but does Blarney Castle have a Saint Patrick's Day connection? Or is it anything Irish goes? In which case I could take over DYK for the day... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 02:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Patterson

... that on St. Patrick's Day 1988, Frank Patterson became the first Irish singer to host his own programme at New York's famous Radio City Music Hall?

Created/expanded by Cottonshirt (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Comment: It's mentioned twice in the article, once in the lead with further detail later, both have inline citations.Cottonshirt τ 05:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as stub. ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: it has be reassessed for the Ireland WikiProject as a C-class article. ww2censor (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Bulger

... that eighty years ago Fat Cupid died on St. Patrick's Day?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Nominated by Ww2censor (talk) at 22:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since this is for St. Patrick's Day, not April Fool's Day, I would recommend providing more information in the hook: ... that eighty years ago Irish rugby union player Larry "Fat Cupid" Bulger died on St. Patrick's Day? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The first hook is fascinatingly cryptic. The second hook leaves me cold. I think it's good for some hooks to be teasers that pique curiosity without being self-explanatory factoids. There's lots of precedence for this kind of hook although lately hooks have gotten less playful and more pedantic. --Boston (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I was going to find out what Fat Cupid was, but the alt hook told me Victuallers (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded (or thirded I suppose). Hence why some hooks will attract a great amount of attention and draw in the reader. It's all in the phrasing. --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded for April Fool's Day 2009 (April 1)

Please suggest hooks at Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know, not here. Royalbroil 14:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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