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== User Obi2canibe ==
== User Obi2canibe ==

{{atop|Obi2canibe is '''reminded''' that personal commentary is prohibited, and that includes good faith behavioral complaints. Such allegations should be made in the correct forum, as opposed to in the article space during content disputes. See my comment below for a more detailed commentary, and feel free to follow up on my talk page or file a new report against BB. Beyond the reminder here though, this complaint is not at the level of being actionable. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 10:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)}}
The user {{u|Obi2canibe}} is casting aspersions and making personal attacks on me.
The user {{u|Obi2canibe}} is casting aspersions and making personal attacks on me.


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*{{yo|Obi2canibe}} I don't doubt your stated intention to simply call out bad behavior as you see it. However, the concept of [[WP:NPA]] is fairly straightforward: '''do not make personal commentary'''. This still applies even if you think you're legitimately calling out bad behavior. You should compile your evidence and make your case here. I commend you for doing just that here, but reviewing your diffs as an uninvolved observer, I don't agree with your assessment, or at least, I don't see the problem you're describing. For example, the most serious accusation, that of "vandalism", was the removal of an unsourced claim that Catalonia is a sovereign country. There's totally a possibility that the user has a POV influencing them, but if that kind of thing is unambiguously vandalism to you, your own POV may be skewing your assessment of their behavior. In sum, please cut it out, and if you want to make a complaint, start a new thread and make a proposal with diffs. As is, though, your complaint is not sufficient IMO. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 09:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
*{{yo|Obi2canibe}} I don't doubt your stated intention to simply call out bad behavior as you see it. However, the concept of [[WP:NPA]] is fairly straightforward: '''do not make personal commentary'''. This still applies even if you think you're legitimately calling out bad behavior. You should compile your evidence and make your case here. I commend you for doing just that here, but reviewing your diffs as an uninvolved observer, I don't agree with your assessment, or at least, I don't see the problem you're describing. For example, the most serious accusation, that of "vandalism", was the removal of an unsourced claim that Catalonia is a sovereign country. There's totally a possibility that the user has a POV influencing them, but if that kind of thing is unambiguously vandalism to you, your own POV may be skewing your assessment of their behavior. In sum, please cut it out, and if you want to make a complaint, start a new thread and make a proposal with diffs. As is, though, your complaint is not sufficient IMO. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 09:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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== Disruptive editing at [[Mary Hopkin]] ==
== Disruptive editing at [[Mary Hopkin]] ==

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    Cardiff and Blackwood area genre warrior -- rangeblock requested

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    Since at least October 2017,[1] someone from the general area of Cardiff and Blackwood in Wales has been genre-warring in music articles. The most recently active IP ranges are Special:Contributions/2A02:C7F:8A1A:7200:0:0:0:0/64 and Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:1A3E:5D00:0:0:0:0/64, the latter having a longer history of disruption. Can we get a rangeblock or two? Binksternet (talk) 01:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Any serious responses will be thanked. Binksternet (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Binksternet Both ranges blocked for three months. Swarm 07:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Apparent campaign to insert spurious population data changes into large numbers of articles

    IPv6 addresses from the Comcast address range 2601:601:1700:/48 have expended a huge amount of effort inserting dubious population data into articles on cities in Niger. and other African countries: see Special:Contributions/2601:601:1700::/48 for contributions from this specific IPv6 range. I've done a mass-revert of their changes, and blocked the range for three months, but suspect that they may attempt to continue, and might possibly also have done similar changes in the past from other IP ranges, or under user accounts. Please be on the lookout for other similar activity. -- The Anome (talk) 10:15, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Hmm. This one looks like it might actually be correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maseru&type=revision&diff=847061389&oldid=829355140&diffmode=source ; compare http://www.citypopulation.de/Lesotho.html What's going on here, I wonder? Good hand/bad hand? Or have I been inadvertently reverting good edits because of a few bad ones earlier? I'm clocking off now, but will investigate later. -- The Anome (talk) 11:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Un-sourced changes to population figures have been a problem for as long as I remember, and I've been editing for close to 13 years. I've reverted several such cases in the past few days, mainly in Florida places, but also elsewhere. I did revert such a change in an African city yesterday, first edit from the IP, and issued a standard welcome with warning. Today I see that after that the IP edited 73 more articles about places, before being blocked. What bothers me is that I apparently failed to notice that the IP had already edited at least several more articles when I reverted and welcome/warned them. - Donald Albury 12:44, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Anome: I haven't looked at the validity of the edits yet, but they all appear to have been made from the single /64 (special:contribs/2601:601:1700:1d9d::/64), so the /48 block is too wide. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 12:46, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Almost all of them are from the single /64, but when I widened my search, I found some others that had the same editing pattern from the surrounding /48. -- The Anome (talk) 10:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't notice any population data edits outside the /64, but I can say that in the last 3 months, all of the edits outside the /64 are unrelated to those fiddling with population figures. And per Doug's comment below, I didn't find any registered users. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 12:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    This one: 2601:601:1700:1D9D:E45D:1225:82AB:9AAF (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)? If you haven't already checked those articles, I will. - Donald Albury 13:39, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    And the first thing I see when I return to my watchlist is the population figures changed without explanation in five articles in 7 minutes by an IP. They had been quiet for almost an hour, so I gave them a welcome/warning. Like I said, a long-running problem. - Donald Albury 13:54, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I blocked someone recently for the same reason, can't remember the details, sorry. Doug Weller talk 14:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    The sheer level of effort involved in this suggests either someone very committed, or group activity. I suspect some sort of automation may be needed to stop this. Can anyone think of a suitable edit filter incantation to catch these? -- The Anome (talk) 10:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Twitter accounts as redirects

    Please see these 500 new redirects. User:R64Q has made over a thousand of these, and I have serious doubts about them--not just their necessity to begin with (I know, redirects are cheap) but also the arbitrariness, since a lot of them, once you leave off the @ sign, involve terms that are also topics (like Ancestry). I've asked the user to cease for the moment since this warrants some discussion, which may end in deletion. Drmies (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I can't say I really think any of these are necessary.. I'd support deleting them all - TNT 20:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    <<EC>> Wow. Might I suggest delete @redirects based on @twitter and TBAN from creating redirects? Thoughts?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dlohcierekim: Template:R from Twitter username exists making them de facto defensible. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, @Godsy: And I'd think that would great if these were viable search terms. Many are not.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:27, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • EC. Delete all the @twitterhandle redirects unless the twitter account has it's own page. There is no policy or logical reason to turn Wikipedia in to a twitter directory. @omanair, @muscatbank? Anyone with a brain knows to search by the organization name not their name as a twitter handle. Legacypac (talk) 20:20, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict). No one is going to type the @ symbol. I see no purpose for these, although it's a little like redirects for stock symbols. Natureium (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    further they are being placed in the 903 entry Category:Redirects from Twitter usernames and have a special template. The cat has been around a long time. Companies are often referred to in the press and especially on ticker tapes only by stock symbol so those have some value. These not so much. Legacypac (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Except for about 25 pages the 1000ish pages here are all twitter handles Special:PrefixIndex/@ There is no indication how many a page and my quick count yielded a strange number. I think nearly everything on the list was created by this user. Legacypac (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    • Mass creation of redirects os usually not a good idea. Mass deletion of redirects also usually isn't a good idea. Twitter handle redirects probably don't do a lot of harm, even if they are of little use, which points to keep by RFD precedent. Anyway, deletion should not be handled here, but at the appropriate deletion venue WP:RFD. —Kusma (t·c) 20:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete the lot and Support TBAN - Twitter names can easily be changed and if they are that would make these redirects pointless .... and plus anyone with an ounce of common sense would search for example "Rihanna" not "@Rihanna", What next facebook usernames? ...., TBAN would be prevent more of this nonsense. –Davey2010Talk 20:43, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    @Davey2010: The existence of Template:R from Twitter username makes these de facto defensible. Furthermore, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 October 23#@ladygagaredirects. We can formally ask them to stop or face a block pending an rfd or rfc on the matter but I do not think anything else would be fair given the circumstances. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Why the actual fuck was that even created ? ..... Well I still support deleting regardless of that template, Thanks. –Davey2010Talk 20:52, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. Just because we have a template for something does not change its misapplication in this instance. I think that if we refer participants in that other discussion to this one, the matter might get a more well-round consideration.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 20:55, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I also don't see this as a behavioral issue but rather a really misguided good faith effort based on a few unusual precedents. Pretty much every company and most BLPs could have a twitter account linked to them here. Legacypac (talk) 22:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 June 24#Twitter redirects recently created by R64Q. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 02:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Not going to !vote here because of all the forking forking, however if I were to !vote, I would say that these are all good and useful search-term redirects, and yes, people who know that all Twitter usernames begin with an @ sign will not hesitate to type the @ sign into the search field. It's right there on their keyboard, so why wouldn't they type it in? If they search Wikipedia for "Clark Kent", would they not type in a capital C and K? I do even though I know that some search engines are not case-sensitive. And typing in an @ sign is no more difficult than typing in a capital letter. The right pinkie hits the shift key and the left ring finger hits the "2/@" key, and it's done before you know it. So why wouldn't people type in the @ sign?  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  04:15, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment The linked RfD has been speedily closed (by me) as the nominator did not provide a list of all the redirects nominated, nor were any of them tagged. Having now read this discussion as well it is my firm opinion that any mass nomination of twitter handle redirects as a class will not result in consensus for anything. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes. I definitely don't think we need @Rihanna as a redirect but if the Twitter handle is different from the name of the person/thing it could be useful. This is a case-by-case sort of thing (even though most of the redirects created are not useful in my opinion) and this is not worth spending too much time on. Redirects are cheap. Although the indiscriminate mass-creation of these shouldn't be continued, and it hasn't been (so far.) The Moose 11:29, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Godsy has invoked IAR to undo my speedy keep closure, and has listed all the nominated redirects but has declined to tag them (citing a lack of capacity to do so). I have now recommended there that another administrator speedily close the mass nomination. We do not need three or four (at least) concurrent discussions about the same thing, and given this and the other discussions consensus for a mass deletion is very unlikely to say the least. Thryduulf (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • As I said there: Now that the rfd discussion has a static list and because it only targets the ones recently created, as opposed to as a class, I believe it is superior to the other discussions (at least the ones I am aware of). Anyhow, out of time, I'll be back this evening. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 11:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • Another quick thought: Ideally, all the current discussions should be closed and a proper request for comment started regarding the suitability of the redirects as a class by setting forth guidance options, e.g. always appropriate, only appropriate if mentioned in article, etc. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 11:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Proposal to stop twitter and other social media handle redirects

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    My proposal was first moved to a Wikiproject and then closed because the template was sent for deletion discussion. The main point of the proposal was to delete nearly all @twitterhandle redirects - the thrust of the discussion above. The template is a minor part as it would be rarely used after the redirects are removed. Nearly all the redirects in question are arguably recently created implausable redirects that could be dealt with as a group by this discussion. What this sequence of moves and closes leaves is no proposed solution to the problem raised by Drimes. Legacypac (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    • Legacypac, thanks--above I saw calls for a topic ban and stuff like that, but that's not what I came here for. Whatever way the community wants to decide is fine with me: I was not seeking a solution related to the editor as some behavioral issue. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Given the total absence of any arguments for deleting the template (all the deletion arguments applied to the category), I've speedy-closed the discussion at TFD; anyone is welcome to start a discussion at CFD. Nyttend (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Big rangeblock? for banned user Sugar Bear

    Is it possible to set a rangeblock to stop banned User:Sugar Bear? He was indeffed recently as User:TheRealBoognish, and he's been using IPs from Oregon and North Carolina as well as others that geolocate to the US in general. One from Oregon was 74.42.44.222, used during August–September 2017, and the other was 74.42.44.210, blocked yesterday by Ponyo. Also blocked yesterday was Special:Contributions/166.182.84.172, who was getting into a giant revert battle with me. Below is a list of similar IPs that might be blocked as a range. Can we do this without too much collateral damage? Binksternet (talk) 04:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Involved IPs


    Torchiest and I call the big one bitey have tangled with this person. Care to comment? Binksternet (talk) 04:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the ping. I'll just add some history. SB originally created his account in 2005 under the name Ibaranoff24. He was blocked a few times under that name, including an indefinite block in January 2009 that was rescinded. He was doing quite a bit of sock puppeting around that time too. In January 2010 he had his account name changed, but then ran into more trouble in mid-2010 until he was finally banned entirely. Ever since then, he's been making a string of sock puppets that fly under the radar for various lengths of time before being discovered. TheRealBoognish was just the latest in a long line. Considering he's been banned for eight years and keeps coming back to fight the same fights over and over, I don't see any reason to believe his behavior will ever change. I don't know how damaging a range block would be, but again, I have no doubt that he will continue his behavior into perpetuity otherwise. —Torchiest talkedits 17:59, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Torchiest and Binksternet: Just entering a few of these IPs into the calculator generated 166.182.86.116/9 which is too large of a range to be blocked, or even generate contributions. Home Lander (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    BernardZ disruptive editing

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    BernardZ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    This user has made many unexplained edits in the past few months; in fact, most edits have no edit summary. Some are incorrect and have been reverted: [2]. Yet the user undoes the revert, sometimes only partially: [3]. User has altered quotations: [4], and again undoes the revert: [5]. User has been warned several times, but is unresponsive and has blanked own talk page.—Anita5192 (talk) 06:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I have experienced many of the same issues with this editor. For example, here he modifies a different direct quotation. See my recent reverts for a whole bunch of reversions of dubious copy edits. Most of the user's edits are copy edits, that sometimes mangle the grammar and change correct English idioms into wrong ones. That is disruptive. The editor further shows no indication of wishing to end the disruptive editing. Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Another example: here BernardZ introduced a grammatical error, the edit was reverted, then BernardZ reverted that. This happened after I warned the editor of possible sanctions if he does not use more care. (That post from the use4 talk page has subsequently been removed by the editor.) I think a community ban from copy editing is warranted. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Here is yet another change to a direct quote, again after my warning. Sławomir Biały (talk) 13:05, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Please see this re-addition of an external link and User talk:Jc3s5h#Trusted_timestamping edits, where User:Paulg222 indicates advanced skills are required to determine if the site is safe for users to use.

    One concern is that to provide the free service, the user must go through motions which, to a user who lacks advanced skills, are indistinguishable from uploading a file. (I am not proficient with Javascript coding and am unable to determine if the file is actually uploaded or not.)

    Another concern is the user has only made a few edits, all if which are related to this website. The user is unwilling to state his/her relationship to the site. These circumstances suggest a conflict of interest exists. Jc3s5h (talk) 11:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I just think there are too many ELs on that page. Links should have encyclopaedic value to explain the topic not have a oh here’s an implementation in case you wish to use it or here’s a link to s version. Wikipedia is not a directory or collection of links. Canterbury Tail talk 12:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Should the Trusted timestamping article fall under Wikipedia:General_sanctions/Blockchain_and_cryptocurrencies ? Fish+Karate 11:19, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Blockchains are only one way to achieve trusted timestamping, and were not the first method used for this purpose. So putting it in the suggested general sanctions category seems like a stretch to me. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Jc3s5h has made multiple incorrect statements about the website and now about me. I would like to have those addressed. I have never denied involvement in the site. Jc3s5h asked what my relationship was to the site in the context of a discussion about his/her incorrect statements. I wanted to get those incorrect statements resolved first before discussing my relationship with the site to avoid having that discussion derailed (as has now occurred). Also at this time I was not informed or aware of COI rules and felt that the question about relationship to the site was too broad and an attempt to change the topic from Jc3s5h's incorrect statements and editorial reasoning, so I wanted to defer COI discussion till later. There is also a doxxing issue to consider given the form of the questions being asked. Jc3s5h first incorrectly stated there was a security issue and cited this as the reason for their removing of the link. When notified about the incorrect statements, Jc3s5h did not make any attempt to correct that and continues to cite security as an issue (like the title of this admin notice) and has made further incorrect statements about source code on the site. Jc3s5h now however, is citing a different reason for why the external link should be removed. Actually 2 reasons: COI as well as non-encyclopedic value. Which one is it? Why did Jc3s5h not cite COI concerns or External linking rules as their original reason? Why continue to site security as a reason when it has not been established that this is an issue (in fact it has been established there is no security concern)?Paulg222 (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    As for COI, yes I have a relationship to the site. Again this has become a distraction though to the conversation. If Jc3s5h has a general objection to external links in articles, then Jc3s5h should site those as reasons for removal when editing. If Jc3s5h has reasons to expect COI, Jc3s5h should cite those as reasons in the original edit rather than make false statements about a site that can have a negative impact on that site.Paulg222 (talk) 12:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    One would think that in a Wikipedia article about a security related technology, and in a discussion about a site that provides a security-related service, all concerned would expect that either the site would not work in a way that is obviously not a security concern, or would have established a reputation for trustworthiness through independent review. Expecting end users to have advanced knowledge of website and Javascript development to figure out for themselves if the website is trustworthy seems quite odd. Jc3s5h (talk) 12:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    This conversation and the arguments are all very well but they’re irrelevant. Wikipedia isn’t a collection of links and the link provides no encyclopaedic knowledge above and beyond what the article does. As a result per WP:EL it’s not eligible for inclusion. That should be the end of the discussion here, based on policy. We don’t provide links to “here’s a service that does this.” Canterbury Tail talk 21:33, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    "Expecting end users to have advanced knowledge of website and Javascript development to figure out for themselves if the website is trustworthy seems quite odd."

    Perhaps you are confused here. There is no expectation of advanced knowledge for Users of the site. Users can either choose to trust the site, it's explanations and it's claims or not and those with capabilities to do so are welcome to use their expertise to validate the claims made on the site. This validation will then lead to further established reputation for that site if those few experts choose perhaps to write about it elsewhere. However, for you as an editor of Wikipedia to make false claims about the security of a site without anything to back up that assertion nor even with the expertise yourself to understand security or websites in general means you are not qualified to really edit external links for security reasons and you should refrain from such actions and defer that to people who have such knowledge. Merely not knowing if a site is secure or not is not a reason to exclude it. If you have questions about an edit, asking for further explanation or enlisting someone with appropriate expertise is the proper move.

    In the case of Trusted_timestamping it is not a requirement in general to not upload files, it is just something this site in question has implemented as an added privacy feature. In fact submitting files to a trusted 3rd party can be a valuable service. One key aspect of timestamping is being able to maintain a perfect copy of the original files. Some programs like Microsoft Word and others can easily alter a file if it is merely opened on a persons computer, thereby destroying the original copy needed for later verification. So a trusted site could very well be used to upload files for storage, just like people upload to Google Drive and other backup services. Paulg222 (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    "and the link provides no encyclopaedic knowledge above and beyond what the article does."

    As to whether a particular external link is proper or not for Wikipedia is a far different discussion. With my biased view of course I think in this case it is warranted. Trusted_timestamping is not exactly a well understood practice and even less so with a Blockchain being used as the TSA essentially. By including an external site that actually allows for free timestamping users will have the ability to gain greater knowledge of the practice in a way that the article does not allow. In fact the blockchain aspect makes the timestamped data (sha256 hashes) public so that users can even verify on other 3rd party sites the validity of the data. Thus in fact Trusted_timestamping itself has been advanced perhaps where even the TSA is no longer a centralized source and the TPP is merely a pass through of hashed data. The site goes to some lengths to explain some of this process both on the create, verify and faq pages. This content could perhaps be put into an image flow format (similar to other images on the Trusted_timestamping page), however in lieu of that the site itself does provide encyclopedic knowledge that is not clear on the Wikipedia page. Thus the assertion of no value is flawed. Please see the explanations on the site itself. Paulg222 (talk) 22:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Block needed for WP:NOTHERE editor "Elman Həsənli"

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    Elman Həsənli (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    The typical stuff. Account created recently, on a single purprose mission, spreading ethno-nationalist unsourced nonsense throughout numerous articles. Received numerous warnings, never bothered to respond to any;[6]

    • Adds the Azerbaijani transliteration to a historic entity not related to Azerbaijan, without edit-summary; [7]
    • Huge copy-vio on the History of the Middle East article, without edit-summary/attribution. Of course, he added a pseudo-historic twist to it as well (claiming the Ilkhanate as "Azerbaijani"); [8]
    • Adds the Azerbaijani spelling to a non-Azerbaijani ethnic group, no edit summary;[9]
    • Adds the Azerbaijani spelling to a historic ruler in India, no edit summary, no source; [10]
    • Unsourced addition to the Turkification article, no edit summary; [11]
    • Tries to claim historic rulers of Syria as being of "Azerbaijan", no source no edit summary; [12]
    • Removes sourced content without edit-summary from the Azerbaijani language article; [13]
    • Changed Turkish spelling into Azerbaijani, no edit summary; [14]
    • Adds the Syrian Turkmen and the Iraqi Turkmen to the Template:Azerbaijani tribes, in order to claim them as "Azerbaijanis"; [15]

    - LouisAragon (talk) 13:10, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment Has not edited since June 18.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Kent IP rangeblock again

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    Relative to this case, a new rangeblock needs to be placed on Special:Contributions/2A00:23C5:119B:8000:0:0:0:0/64. This person has also been blocked on a number of IP4 addresses, with Special:Contributions/86.164.74.139 being the most recent. Binksternet (talk) 14:10, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Still going at it... Binksternet (talk) 15:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Range blocked for a month. It'd probably help if you included a few diffs that show obvious block evasion. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Possible content dispute

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    Hello , all admins , please look into this carefully. There might be content dispute at Asia's Next Top Model (cycle 5) with an IP who is reverting edits by pending changes reviewers. Kpgjhpjm 15:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I semi protected for a couple of days. Perhaps they can decide should be preferred.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    This article was recently deleted at AfD. Someone is obviously organising a campaign to spam WP:REFUND with requests for it to be restored as we've had ten requests in the last hour. It would be good if some other people could keep an eye out for them. I've just been reverting the recent ones as they're duplicates and pages deleted at AfD don't qualify for restoration at WP:REFUND anyway. Hut 8.5 18:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    WP:REFUND has been semi'd. If problems resume after it expires, I'd be happy to reprotect.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 22:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    User Wxzapghy

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    Wxzapghy (talk · contribs) removes templates including maintenance and Proposing article for deletion tag on Indian Armour, which is not comply with EV since it talked about mythical story, Mahabharat and then historical facts. Also, the article has 18.0% copyvios and unreliable reference. I drop the issue here and request admin to handle. Thanks. --AntanO 09:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Can you identify the source(s) of copyvios? You can report those to Wikipedia:Copyright problems. PROD is just what its name says, a proposal to delete. If anyone objects to the proposal, it is dropped. You can nominate the article at Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion if you want to pursue removing the article from Wikipedia. As for the removal of the maintenance templates, I see you did warn him about premature removal of maintenance templates. If he again removes maintenance templates without explanation, we can further address that with him. - Donald Albury 12:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    LudicrousEditor

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    LudicrousEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    This editor seems to be primarily focused on adding personal details to biographies, sometimes BLPs. Their first edit [16] was to add unsourced information about the minor children of a businessman, and that pattern describes many of their other edits. Some are sourced only to the WP:DAILYMAIL, such as this diff about Spiro Agnew. They also regularly use the "minor edit" tag for edits which are not minor. They don't seem to be responding to the multiple warnings on their user-talk page. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:00, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Didn't the recently-blocked Iistal have a penchant for adding all sorts of this kind of crap to BLP's? Blackmane (talk) 02:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t know about that, but this sees like a typical “fly under the radar” strategy where a user gets lots of warnings and just ignores them and never speaks to anyone, so I’ve issued a block for both the editing and the refusal to communicate. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:33, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Possible Vandalism of Hurricane Names

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    I don't know enough about the subject matter to know if this is vandalism, but 216.237.237.226 has been changing content at 1978 Pacific hurricane season (see history) through rapid-fire minor edits to the page. Most edits appear to be changing the names of the storms, although one edit changed the word "disturbance" to "INDEED" (?). Could another editor or admin keep an eye on this? Thanks, Nanophosis (talk) 22:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Blocked 'em for a week, but this has gone stale. You might want to report at WP:AIV next time.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    User:77.119.130.155 Disruptive editing on actresses

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    This user has disruptively edited articles related to actresses, such as Elizabeth Taylor, Ingrid Bergman, and Meryl Streep. I'm not sure what this user intends, but it is a problem. He seems to be making minor "corrections" that have absolutely no need to be done. Funplussmart (talk) 01:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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    Troll genrewarring by IP

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    This IP's sole edits over the last few hours have been a constant stream of non-stop, mass, unsourced genrewarring to a variety of articles despite several warnings. The IP is obviously just trolling in their genre choices; in one edit, the user classified one song as a R&B song, and later changed it to a soul/alternate rock song, and even later to a folk rock song. Would an administrator look at the contributions and issue a short-term block if appropriate? 青い(Aoi) (talk) 01:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    The IP hasn't edited for over 12 hours, so a block would be stale in my view. If they start up again, let me know and I'll see if my BFG9000 banhammer still works. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    User Obi2canibe

    The user Obi2canibe is casting aspersions and making personal attacks on me.

    I asked him several times to stop attacking me and to comply with the Wikipedia policies WP:AGF and WP:TALKNO, in talk pages and on his own talk page, without result. See more details here User talk:Obi2canibe#You are casting aspersions and making personal attacks.

    He's a valuable editor, but I think he he has conceptual errors sometimes. I want he to stop the accusations and not judge me in bad faith. --BallenaBlanca 🐳 ♂ (Talk) 18:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, the talk page section listed above makes it quite clear that Obi2canibe is not going to stop. I think a block might be in order. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 16:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    My comments were criticism of BallenaBlanca's behaviour, not personal attacks or bullying. I'm sorry if BallenaBlanca has construed them as such. WP:AGF isn't a shield shield against criticism nor is it a tool to suppress discussion. My views on BallenaBlanca aren't borne out of any personal prejudice but as a result of observing his contributions in Catalan articles. e.g.
    BallenaBlanca has been involved in numerous content disputes with several other editors on Catalan topics (e.g. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6). There are numerous others, just go through his contributions. And this is the fourth time in the last six months that BallenaBlanca has been involved in a ANI discussion, all arising from content disputes on Catalan topics (1, 2, 3).
    BallenaBlanca is showing many of the signs of gaming the system but doing so in a civil manner. For example, he has changed (see contributions) the opening sentence of numerous Catalan/Basque biographies by narrowly interpreting MOS:OPENPARABIO to mean that only citizenship can be used in the lede. The spirit of this policy is clearly different, as shown by the outcome of this RFC.
    All of this has led me to conclude that BallenaBlanca is not here to build an encyclopedia but rather push a particular WP:POV. I'm sorry if me calling a spade a spade upsets BallenaBlanca.--Obi2canibe (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Obi2canibe is very senior contributor has been around since 2008 with 35K edits and has been editing for over 10 years and major content contribuor. The issues above are more on content rather then personal.Content disputes are not personal ones and clearly cannot see any incivilty or personal attack from anybody.The content issues can be resolved in talk page or Other boards if unresolved in talk page. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Obi2canibe: I don't doubt your stated intention to simply call out bad behavior as you see it. However, the concept of WP:NPA is fairly straightforward: do not make personal commentary. This still applies even if you think you're legitimately calling out bad behavior. You should compile your evidence and make your case here. I commend you for doing just that here, but reviewing your diffs as an uninvolved observer, I don't agree with your assessment, or at least, I don't see the problem you're describing. For example, the most serious accusation, that of "vandalism", was the removal of an unsourced claim that Catalonia is a sovereign country. There's totally a possibility that the user has a POV influencing them, but if that kind of thing is unambiguously vandalism to you, your own POV may be skewing your assessment of their behavior. In sum, please cut it out, and if you want to make a complaint, start a new thread and make a proposal with diffs. As is, though, your complaint is not sufficient IMO. Swarm 09:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Disruptive editing at Mary Hopkin

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    An IP editor is repeatedly reinserting content into Mary Hopkin, against the consensus of a talk page discussion. The editor has failed to properly engage with the talk page discussion. I raised the issue at dispute resolution, where reporting the issue at WP:ANI was suggested. I have today reverted the IP editor's content again, with a note on the article talk page, but this was rapidly reverted by 27.131.59.42. There is also a short exchange on my user talk page. The main chronology is:

    I think this is disruptive editing by an unregistered editor (presumably one person). Is semi-protection of Mary Hopkin appropriate? Otherwise what should be done to resolve this issue? Verbcatcher (talk) 18:47, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Article semied two weeks to draw IP back to discussing. --NeilN talk to me 18:55, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    The disruptive editing is by the troll Verbcatcher who is bullying MULTIPLE editors. If you look at the history, you will see the editors aren't even in the same country, let alone being one person, so they have presumed wrong in their bullying. This is a classic example of an editor who considers themself amongst the wiki elite not getting their own way, so they keep harassing and bullying until they get their own version of an article. Well done to all those other wiki elites who have supported the troll Verbcatcher in their bullying. Wikibullier further becomes an even more miserable place where the bullying elites win at all costs, no matter how relevant an edit may have been or how it enhanced an article. The bullies MUST stick together at all costs. Doubtless a block will now be imposed on my IP address. Good luck to you all. Bullies of the wiki world unite. 27.131.59.42 (talk) 03:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    User:Liviut11101 is making legal threats at Liviu Tipurita. Edit summary read, "Once again, I'm removing the year of my birth as it infringes my right to privacy under the new European Union General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) legislation as it constitutes personal identifiable information (PII) of sensitive nature. Should you continue to publish any reference to my date of birth, I shall lodge a formal complaint with the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) and start legal action against Wikipedia." Edwardx (talk) 20:38, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    He shouldn't be making those threats, but you shouldn't be continually restoring the date without clear sourcing. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    You might also wish to review WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPPRIVACY before trying to restore the use Companies House records as a source. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I have blocked the editor for the legal threats. Do not restore the date of birth without gaining talk page consensus. Please read WP:DOB. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Almost certainly was a sockpuppet of WinFilms, who made identical legal threats with the same article. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 21:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    WinFilms was blocked as a group account. The same person, probably the BLP subject, then created an individual account. That part was OK. The legal threats weren't. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:19, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    We need to leave out the DOB unless it appears in a secondary source. I would leave it out in any event just because of the whole identity theft concern.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    It is currently sourced to the pair of statements "Născut și crescut în Sibiu, Liviu Tipuriță s-a mutat în Marea Britanie la vârsta de 20 de ani pentru a studia regia de film" and "Am plecat în Marea Britanie în ‘90, pentru că voiam să fac film și nu aveam încredere în școala românească de atunci." from [17], which looks like synthesis to me. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 07:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, Jonathan A Jones, but I do not see how that would be WP:SYNTH. In an interview he states that he was 20 in 1990, and we can use {{birth based on age as of date |yy|yyyy|mm|dd}} to deduce possible birth years and a current age range. That is what that template is for, and its use is widespread on Wikipedia. Edwardx (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Edwardx I think it depends on the quality of the source. I am not sure why WP:SYNTH is relevant here as we are not presenting any arguments here; and I am dubious about identity theft as a concern in this very case. For me this looks more like a BLP subject wants to maintain control of their page, but I think removing DOB is fine if no quality sources other than a pair of interviews are available. Alex Shih (talk) 10:06, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Alex Shih The two quotes are from the same interview. I agree that it is not an ideal source. I also agree that identity theft is a red herring here. In my experience with engaging with our readers through editathons and elsewhere, two of the leading issues on BLPs are the lack of a photo of the subject (not an issue here), and the lack of any sense of how old the subject is. Of course, we should not include a full ddmmyyyy DOB unless the sourcing is solid, and I remove uncited ddmmyyyy DOBs frequently. It is reasonable that we should seek to give our readers some sense of a subject's year of birth and/or age. It is frustrating when a subject or their representatives try to edit a well-intentioned NPOV biography to something more hagiographical, and I do not respond well to threats, but in this case I am okay if others think we should remove the year of birth and age info from the lead and infobox, as long as we can leave the "Early life" as it is. Edwardx (talk) 10:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    PreciesJJ adding unsourced info again


    PreciesJJ is repeatedly adding unsourced information to the above article. The user is insisting on updating the qualifiers for the tournament after each event is played. This violates WP:OR because the Order of Merit is updated on a monthly basis while PreciesJJ updates it after every tournament played. On my talk page PreciesJJ insists that "If you really want to check it is right you need to do the maths yes. But they dont have to, because it is right". After warning the editor not to update the article with unsourced info PreciesJJ did so again.

    The user was slapped with a 48 hour block for violating 3RR back on 22 December 2017 and a 2 week ban on 26 December 2017 for persistently making disruptive edits. PreciesJJ has continued their behaviour. Dougal18 (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    The Order of Merit is updated by the PDC after every weekend, I update the page only a couple of hours earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PreciesJJ (talkcontribs) 08:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Ali mjr

    @Ali mjr: The user has been attempting to add largely unsourced POV-ridden content to the Alireza Beiranvand article and has been reverted (twice by me and once by another editor), resulting in a final warning on their talk page. The user continues to readd the content..

    diff1, diff2, diff3, diff4. (N.B. I have 'unapproved' the most recent edit, as it does contain one source, although it doesn't come close to satisfying WP:V, WP:NPOV or WP:OR). Nzd (talk) 21:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I just involved myself by reverting. Someon uninvolved could block for 3rr or protect the page.-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:59, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    I gave them a 3rr warning. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 22:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Possible breached account

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    I am concerned that NEBChops may be a compromised account per the sudden activity on their userpage. I might just be over-reacting, but would like someone else to take a look at this. Home Lander (talk) 02:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Compared to their edit history, it seems very possible. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Blocked. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Revenge editing

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    Following the semi-protection of Mary Hopkin (see above), the same IP editor (at 27.131.59.42) had added comments on my user talk page and elsewhere – I can live with this. The same editor has taken more disruptive action by reverting several of my edits to unreleated articles, in what I take to be a revenge attack, see [18]. Is a block appropriate? Can an admin do a bulk rollback of these edits? Verbcatcher (talk) 03:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I mass-reverted their edits. Home Lander (talk) 03:27, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    And I blocked the IP. --NeilN talk to me 03:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. Verbcatcher (talk) 03:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    This editor's edits is good faith but they always moved a page to official/full name and seem to not understand WP:COMMONNAME. The editor has warned several times but never care to explain why they edit that way. The last warning this editor received is in 7 June 2018 but still make disruptive editing until 21 June 2018. Hddty. (talk) 05:35, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Sounds like WP:CIR. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 15:59, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem here is that the editor itself never respond in the talk page. Even my message in id.wiki never got replied. I ask the editor there why they add unsourced non-Latin script on biographies in id.wiki (and also in en.wiki), we even had a discussion about this at WikiProject Indonesia. Hddty. (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    User:Fujiko Pro has claimed on the article on Perman (manga) that he would take legal action if the page were to be "recreated." He has a name that indicates that he may be part of the company by that name. Apparently, he had previously blanked the page. He described this edit by claiming that it was resolving "copyright violations." After this, he made his first legal threat. After that threat was removed, he threatened legal action once again.Susmuffin Talk 08:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I think the links you want are this and this. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 09:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Odd new account

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    User:Domecroak appears to be a single purpose account. This is the only edit from the account as of writing. The edit is also very odd in nature as it a revert of an IP talk page. 91.110.126.210 (talk) 09:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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    See [19] from 47.149.14.222 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Home Lander (talk) 17:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    If you're going to make some garbage up for your vandalism, at least make it more believable than it's under USDA regulation. Canterbury Tail talk 17:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    They're trying to hide the fact that the actress is really a carrot? Natureium (talk) 17:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    That IP is such a kidder! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:41, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    2600:8800:1880:91e:5604:a6ff:fe38:4b26

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    Hi, 2600:8800:1880:91e:5604:a6ff:fe38:4b26 had an issue with me archiving talkpage discussions too soon, I moved the discussion to my talkpage[20] and stated I'll leave 3-6 months worth (or more) .... but instead of the IP furhter discussing this or accepting my offer if you like they've instead decided to go to various talkpages and start RFC on my "archive frequencies" [21][22],
    Not entirely sure how to go about it - I've admitted a few were archived too soon and stated I'll certainly slow down and be more careful...., Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 20:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    I've deleted the Twitter RfC because it was improper. I've left alone the other. Unusual behavior for an IP.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, Agreed Bbb23, Not sure why but I have a slight feeling the IP is a logged out editor ... could be a sock I suppose... –Davey2010Talk 21:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    It would be super cool if Davey could avoid leveling personal attacks at me: such as his edit summary, another edit summary, and speculation on whether I'm a sockpuppet above. And we can all do without uncivil profanity directed at me. I would say that once I raised this dispute with him he went from mild denial to 100% belligerent and combative, in less than an hour. I stepped away from the computer so that the dispute could cool down and here we are at ANI. Totally unnecessary for a content dispute, where my major actions have involved seeking dispute resolution as prescribed which were destroyed in favor of seeking punitive measures here. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 02:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    Vandalized template - not sure what is going on

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    Template:Pending Changes backlog-defcon appears to have been vandalized. I've cleaned up what is directly in the source code, but can't find where the rest of it is coming from. I'm seeing some stuff in a non-English language followed by some gmail addresses and phone numbers after the backlog level. Aspening (talk) 00:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    Been cleaned up, vandal was this IP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.89.218.234 --Tarage (talk) 00:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    (e/c) It was caused by an edit to Template:Pending Changes backlog/descriptions-short which I have undone. I have warned the IP which made the edit. DuncanHill (talk) 00:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you both. I've checked all subpages of the two pending changes backlog templates and they appear to be clean. Aspening (talk) 00:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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    IP insists on premature election result

    Ridwan Kamil is projected to win a recent election for governor, but so far results have not been official and media reports only rely on "quick counts" done by pollsters, e.g. [23] or [24]. While such polls are historically reliable, IMHO Wikipedia shouldn't use wording that imply the result is official, e.g. "governor-elect" or "won a landslide victory". Accordingly, RSes are still not calling Governor-elect, but "winner according to quick counts" or something like that. I tried rewording the article to this effect ([25], [26]) but an IP user keeps reverting back. Plus, the IP uses a very confusing citation, like "<ref>Taslimson Foundation</ref>", which is impossible to verify. I don't want to get into infinite revert, so I'm hoping an admin could a version without implying official result (e.g. [27]) and then semi-protecting the article to avoid IP abuses. HaEr48 (talk) 00:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a content dispute that must be discussed at Talk:Ridwan Kamil, but has not yet been discussed. Go there first and work to develop consensus. This noticeboard does not adjudicate content disputes. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]