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November 05, 2013

November 04, 2013

  • (Discuss) – George Sage → George Sage (footballer) – Between the 19th century footballer and the 19th century federal judge (not to mention the similarly named physicist), it seems unlikely that there is a true primary topic here. I propose to move this page and create a disambiguation page at this title, unless I am missing some remarkable importance of the current occupant. bd2412 T 21:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nancy Landon Kassebaum → Nancy Kassebaum – Per Wikipedia:Article titles, "Nancy Kassebaum" is the more widely used name, and is more CONCISE. There is no other notable person name "Nancy Kassebaum", so the inclusion of "Landon" is not needed to distinguish this person from any other person. Furthermore, since only a fraction of Wikipedia articles on contemporary married American women include both a married name and a maiden name, it is more consistent with general titling practices to avoid using both names unless the subject is substantially better known by both names. In this case (as indicated below), just about every metric indicates that this person is more widely searched for and more widely known as Nancy Kassebaum. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rajneesh → Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – :note that this was a hasty and not very well considered move. This article has a history of controversy and bold moves such as this would generally warrant a longer consultation period.:Personally, I see insufficient justification, it is far being a matter of honorific title usage.:Across most of the notable literature on the subject, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh is by far the most widely used title for this individual.:We generally refer to the best secondary sources to ascertain appropriate titles, those sources in this instance are mostly academic publications and most use "Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.":Google Scholar: Shree Rajneesh usage 1993-2012:Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh is still widely used in mainstream writings.:Also: "Osho Rajneesh" usage 1993-2013:Marion Goldman (a notable academic commentator on Rajneesh) interchanges Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh with Osho Rajneesh in an Oxford University Press book published in 2011 (Goldman, Marion S. 2011. Cultural Capital, Social Networks, and Violence at Rajneeshpuram. In Violence and New Religious Movements. Edited by James R. Lewis). Semitransgenic talk. 18:30, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Richard Tuite → Murder of Stephanie Crowe – Naming the article after the crime rather than the perpetrator appears to be more in line with Wikipedia practice and with WP:CRIME. The Stephanie Crowe case was not just about Richard Tuite; it also included a highly notorious incident of false confession, described at False confession#Michael Crowe. The crime is far more notable than he is, based for example on Google hits (30,200 for "Stephanie Crowe" vs. 8,200 for "Richard Tuite"). Furthermore, since Tuite's conviction was overturned and he is currently being retried, it may violate BLP to have the article about this crime be under his name. MelanieN (talk) 16:41, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Dreamscape (chat) → VZones – VZones currently redirects to WorldsAway. While it is true that VZones is the current version of WorldsAway, this article covers VZones itself. However, it's currently named after one VZones world, Dreamscape. Since it contains information on the other VZones world, New Horizone, as well, it would make sense for this page to be renamed VZones. --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 09:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC) JenniBees (talk) 01:35, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Regular number → 5-smooth numbers – This page discusses properties and uses of 5-smooth numbers, but pretends to describe an ostensibly common term "Regular number". The term "regular number" does not exist in modern English or mathematics. All the references of the article that contain the term "regular number" are about "sexagesimal regular numbers" in ancient Babylonian mathematics (which apparently used base-60 number system). Now these numbers are called 5-smooth. For any prime p, there is the set of p-smooth numbers, which has properties similar to those of the set of 5-smooth numbers. This article is about historical appearances of 5-smooth numbers under different names, their uses in music terminology and notation, and mathematical properties of the set of all 5-smooth numbers (which are not substantially different from the properties of the set of all p-smooth numbers for any prime p) --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 07:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC) Cokaban (talk) 09:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Fries → Fries (disambiguation) – I mean, take a look at that disambiguation page, and then tell me whether or not french fries has primary topic for the entry "fries". If this proposal passes, fries will redirect to french fries. When someone searches for "fries", I can't imagine they're likely to be looking for lamb testicles or rappelling techniques or Frisian languages. Maybe they want someone with the last name Fries--that can be taken care of with a hatnote at french fries. But they probably want French fries. So let's redirect this page there. Red Slash 02:54, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 03, 2013

November 02, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Nathan Sykes → Nathan Sykes (rugby league) – This RM2 is to undo a May RM1 which moved a rugby league player stub (37,000 Google hits) into the WP:PRIMARY name space owned by the lead singer of a boy band (11 million Google hits) on the grounds that the rugby stub is a standalone rugby stub, while the sizeable article on the boy band lead singer is folded into the band article The Wanted since he's never recorded solo. http://stats.grok.se/en/201309/Nathan%20Sykes shows that the day Hello magazine broke the news that "Ariana Grande & The Wanted's Nathan Sykes" were dating we managed to redirect 5,676 of the boy band's fans in a single day to the retired rugby player. The previous RM (where the closer had little choice but follow the !votes) was in opposition to WP:DAB which says in lead paragraph: "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous—when it refers to more than one topic covered by Wikipedia. (A "topic covered by Wikipedia" is either the main subject of an article, or a minor subject covered by an article in addition to the article's main subject.)" Now this RM1 is being cited as precedent for doing similar to put another standalone stub on top of another Google-magnet band member. If this move is going to be cited as a precedent then either undo it or confirm it with a RM2 with wider participation and more stringent application of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:DAB. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Oil sands → Tar Sands – Usage is most common in US and Europe among both advocates and detractors of these projects, and "Oil Sands" is restricted to promoters of these projects within Canada, according to recent news reports. Dick Cheney, strongly promoting Keystone XL, calls them "Tar Sands" strongly indicating it is an NPOV term: "Interestingly, Cheney repeatedly referred to Alberta's bitumen deposits as the "tar sands," the National Post noted -- a term that is widely accepted in the U.S., but in Canada connotes opposition to the industry."[7] 173.212.125.180 (talk) 20:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 01, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Membrane (M-theory) → Brane – The title of this article was apparently changed from "Brane" to "Membrane (M-theory)" a few years ago because certain users found the former confusing. The page is now protected so that I am unable to move it back. Unfortunately, this is not really debatable; the term "brane" is a technical term used in quantum field theory and string theory, and it's completely universal, as reflected in the references in the article. We cannot have editors introducing new terms because they don't like the standard ones. Relisted. BDD (talk) 20:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC) Polytope24 (talk) 04:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tamarillo → Tree Tomato – The international English common name for this plant, in scientific literature and daily use, is "tree tomato", which follows from the Spanish common name "tomate de arbol". This makes sense because the plant is native to the Andes, where it is grown and consumed on a large scale. A few growers in New Zealand, where there is a ridiculously small acreage of tree tomatoes (like 100 hectares total?) are attempting to rename this fruit using a nonsense word ("tamarillo") that is a hybrid of Spanish and a word taken from the Maori language. This attempted renaming is expressly for the marketing purposes of this small group of growers. It's fine with me if the Kiwi growers want to call it a "tamarillo" for their marketing purposes, but the proper name, and the name that should be used here, is "tree tomato". Accordingly, the text of the article should be changed, and the article should be moved to "tree tomato". "Tamarillo" can then redirect to "tree tomato", and not the other way around, as is presently the case. 68.201.89.238 (talk) 15:35, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Directly elected mayor of Tower Hamlets → Mayor of Tower Hamlets – The civic mayor (now Council Speaker) post for Tower Hamlets is not notable enough have a separate article of its own. Take the Mayor of London that is just called "Mayor of London" as that is what it is commonly known by and no-one thinks of anyone but the holder of the post covering the whole of London (bar the City). There will be very few if any who think Mayor of London and then go oh you mean the Lord Mayor of London. It just doesn't happen. In the same way, in the same way as very few if any think of the old civic mayor or the now speaker of the council of Tower Hamlets when talking about out or searching for the Mayor of Tower Hamlets. Media do not refer to it in any other way other than the Mayor of Tower Hamlets except in a few minor and sparse instances. Creating a different title is a POV fork and is creating ambiguity where none existed before. The title should be just Mayor of Tower Hamlets as that is the least confusing, causing zero confusion if any at all and if there are any worries about confusion a simple one line, identical to the line stating Mayor of Tower Hamlets redirects here, which is already in existance. Also having 'Mayor of Tower Hamlets' redirect here as opposed to going to a disambiguation page makes the title Directly elected meaningless and the ambiguity arguments a figment only in the imagination of those advocating the Directly elected title. If such a Directly elected title was needed Mayor of Tower Hamlets would be a disambiguation page it clearly is not in this case. The reasoning for Directly elected title is just to try and avoid confusion where none exists and in doing so creates its own confusion. To undo the confusion which has been now created where none previously existed the title needs to drop the "directly elected". Sport and politics (talk) 10:20, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Goldust → Dustin Rhodes – Dustin Rhodes has had significant success under his real name. "Goldust" is a name he has only used in WWF/E. He has been "Dustin Rhodes" in pretty much every other territory. He was "Dustin Rhodes" for two years while wrestling alongside his father in WWF. In WCW, Dustin has won three tag team titles and two United States titles under his real name. The article should be moved back to Dustin, IMO. --GeicoHen (talk) 02:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

October 31, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Control (1986 film) → Control (1987 film) – For longstanding convention and consensus, we use in the title the year of release of a film, not a vague "date of end of production" as stated by the article-mover. The film was first released in February 1987, and the same article refers to "a 1987 film". All the sources I checked, including Encyclopedia of Television Film Directors, Enciclopedia del cinema, Blockbuster Video guide to movies and videos, Burt Lancaster: an American life, VideoHound's Golden Movie Retriever, The Video Source Book, Lexikon des Science-fiction-Films, refer to the film as a 1987 film. The current title is misleading. Cavarrone 18:11, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Phineas and Ferb the Movie → Phineas and Ferb the Movie: Across the 2nd Dimension – Honestly, I do not know what kind of idiot who would move Phineas and Ferb the Movie: Across the 2nd Dimension, to Phineas and Ferb the Movie. Through all of the sources around, including Disney Channel, that is not the full title of the TV movie. I would just like to request for someone to revert a stupid move that someone did, and bring it back to the way it was before, because obviously it was the fine the way it is, and someone tried to ruin it for all of us, and that's just so disappointing. Blurred Lines 01:47, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

October 30, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Harry Chauvel → Harry Chauvel – per WP:COMMONNAME (a section of WP:TITLE), Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Per the essay Wikipedia:OFFICIALNAME#Valid use of official names, official names should only be used if they are actually the common name (refer WP:COMMONNAME) The subject of the article was overwhelmingly referred to Harry Chauvel in contemporary reliable sources. Searches on the Trove archive (shows most major Australian newspapers for the period of his life and career) result in ten times as many results for "Harry Chauvel" (5761) than "Henry Chauvel" (644) with other results being miniscule in comparison - "Henry George Chauvel" (70), "Henry G. Chauvel" (39)Nothing in the article titling policy disallows the use of a nickname or alternative name as long as it is a common name. Per reference 95 in the article, the subject requested to be referred to as Sir Harry when receiving his accolade. Hack (talk) 08:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

October 29, 2013

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  • (Discuss) – Template:Talkpage of redirect → ? – After another Wikipedian relayed to me the existence of this template, I looked at the name of the template, and thought that the name of this template is too long for the fact that it is applied to several talk pages. I think that this template should be moved over one of its shorter-named redirects, but I am not sure which one. Currently, there are four redirects towards this template that have shorter names than this template's current name: {{Redirected}}, {{Redirecttalk}}, {{Talkredirect}}, and {{Talkredirected}}. There might be a better option than any of these four; these are just the shorter-named ones that currently exist. Steel1943 (talk) 07:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Millennials → Millennial Generation – Request to move the name of the page from "Millennials" to "Millennial Generation" for the following reasons:(1) The word "Millennial" has other meaning(s) besides the name of a generation. The word is an adjective for "millennium": adj. (1.) of or pertaining to a millennium or the millennium. (2.) worthy or suggestive of the millennium. It's more descriptive to use "Millennial Generation" as the title of this page.(2) Only using "Millennials" without "Generation" doesn't support 3 out of 5 Wikipedia's page title goals of (a) Precision (b) Conciseness (c) Consistency(3) Using the phrase Millennial Generation describes what the page is talking about. Millennial Generation is used on many other Wikipedia pages. "Millennials" can be confused with other meanings and it is not descriptive.(4) There was no real consensus about the change to "Millennials". In fact, the first sentence of the Requested Move (above) says "Although Generation Y was the initial name given by commentators, it appears that "Millennial Generation" has currently more notability".(5) Out of seven (7) current generation articles on Wikipedia (see below) -- all of them except the Baby Boomers (and that could be debated too) -- have the word "generation" in the title. Why would the Millennials page be an exception? * Lost Generation* G.I. Generation * Silent Generation * Baby Boomers* Generation X* Millennials -- Currently in dispute to add the word "generation"* Generation Z(6) The word "Millennials" means INDIVIDUAL members of a generation. But the words "Millennial Generation" mean the group -- which is what this article is about.172.250.31.151 (talk) 18:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The Amityville Horror (disambiguation) → List of Amityville Horror media – This is not properly a disambiguation page, because most of the entries on the list are partial title matches, which should be removed in accordance with the manual of style rules governing disambiguation pages. There is no suggestion that the various sequels are commonly known just as "A Nightmare on Elm Street" without a qualifier. Rather than eliminate them, and make the page less useful to readers interested in seeing a list of installments in the franchise, I propose to move this to a title appropriate to the existing contents of the page, and convert it from a disambiguation page to a list/set index article. bd2412 T 13:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Bangerz (album) → Bangerz – Yes, I am aware that a discussion was closed a little over a month ago, but my intention with this proposal is to have a better-populated discussion that just myself and the two additional editors we had last time. Anyways, as it stands, the plain title Bangerz redirects to The Bangerz, the logic behind which I question because they appear to be pretty obscure in comparison to a highly-anticipated project from a well-known mainstream celebrity. Miley's album has gotten 546,000 hits in the last three months, compared to a mere 3,300 for the group in the same time frame.Responding to In ictu oculi's opposition the last time around, in which he felt that the term was ambiguous because it was used for various other purposes on Google Books, none of those other topics appear notable enough to have Wikipedia articles written on them, or they would likely already have been created. Not to mention, I did a quick search for "Blurred Lines" on Google Books, and not one result in the first three pages referenced the song, but we didn't have an issue establishing a primary topic here on Wikipedia, did we? Secondly, I disagree with the suggestion of redirecting the plain title to the disambiguation for Bangers, because the spelling with a "z" is used in only two articles on the English Wikipedia, and I doubt that anyone looking for one of the other results would be using the improper spelling to get where they need to be.Long story short, I feel that this article is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term, and should be given the plain title. A hatnote would be added to the page for the few that are looking for The Bangerz, and everyone wins. My intention is not to be a pain about the matter, I just feel that the current setup isn't the optimal setup for our readers. --Relisted. Red Slash 02:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC) WikiRedactor (talk) 18:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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