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RD: Olivia Newton-John
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Actress' Facebook
Credits:
- Nominated by XxLuckyCxX (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Singer-songwriter & actress who has passed away due to breast cancer, perhaps best known for starring in the film adaptation of Grease. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- The source is a verified FB, but it's not been picked up by any news outlets (yet). EvergreenFir (talk) 19:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's starting to get around. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Parade is (so far) the highest quality source to report it. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- BBC reporting just now, so that should start the chain reaction for want of a better word XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- See also Cosmopolitan, CNN and The NY Post XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- I was F5-ing BBC, so yes, that's solid for me. Article has some clean up needed though. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- BBC reporting just now, so that should start the chain reaction for want of a better word XxLuckyCxX (talk) 19:44, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Parade is (so far) the highest quality source to report it. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's starting to get around. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb regardless of the discussion on the talk page, she really had only a few roles that made her significant, and the article failures to capture why she should be considered the top of her field. Articke is in poor quality (filmography etc needs refs) --Masem (t) 20:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb per Masem MyriadSims (talk) 20:11, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Blurb She had a career of almost 60 years with many famous roles and awards, I think that is blurb worthy. -- Maykii (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Roger E. Mosley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Magnum P.I. actor, who passed away in a tragic car crash aged 83. Article source to news of his death. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: Needs additional 2-3 citations in career section, filmography needs completing and referencing. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Leandro Lo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Assasinated this morning, sucessful world Ju-Jitsu champion. Article source to news of his death. Given he was an all-time great in the sport needs much longer article at least regarding his career. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait the article right now is pretty bare bones, half of it is just his death. I'll say a bit more bio info is needed, then support. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until article is updated 88.230.3.245 (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready it is a stub at the moment Lewolka (talk) 18:42, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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RD: David McCullough
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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- Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American historian. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 16:25, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Eike Christian Hirsch
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hannoversche Allgemeine
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German journalist and author Grimes2 (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- signing up as updater, thank you for making it easy Grimes2! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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(Closed) RD/Blurb: Archie Battersbee case
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Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: 12-year-old Archie Battersbee dies when his life support is withdrawn following a protracted legal case in England (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62346354
Credits:
- Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)
- Created by Osarius (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support Stub, but notable. Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb as unimportant. Oppose blurb or RD on quality grounds. In terms of a blurb, this is a human interest story hyped by British media, but objectively unimportant; lethal accidents of children and legal disputes about keeping comatose patients alive are relatively frequent. Even as a RD entry, the article is a mess and not ready for the main page. There is very little prose, all in the lead. The rest is WP:PROSELINE bullet points and a table of court decisions without context. Sandstein 14:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose in general, this doesn't appear to be a case with long-term repurcussions. But I will stress the Oppose on quality - an article that is basically a timeline rather than a discussion of the issues around this isn't going to be sufficient for main page (and the fact that hasn't been done here suggests that this doesnt have the impact suggested). --Masem (t) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment To begin with, if it’s a stub it cannot be supported: the quality of the article is something fundamental for it to be included on the Main Page. And this one is far from being in good condition. The RS, moreover, do not consider it as a landmark decision, so it may seem that the impact and the notability of the case is rather mediatic than legal, juridical and medical. And it should be noted that the UN intervention is at the request of the family, not by the decision of the organization itself. I have my doubts that it is ITNR-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- An improved version is maybe candidate for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, sure. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- An improved version is maybe candidate for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability. Can only find it as main story on British publications and tabloids and doesn't seem to have any major repercussions - nowhere on AP and CNN International, hidden on NYT World, not the top story on BBC Global, and so forth. DatGuyTalkContribs 14:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb ... as lacking case-law significance. RD subject to quality/length standards. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, For lack of notability. Alex-h (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on all fronts. Dreadful article. Barely notable for inclusion on Wikipedia as it is, honestly. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't think this would work as a RD as there is little biographical information, for obvious reasons. As a blurb, the article would have to be completely re-written to replace the timeline with conventional prose. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Interesting story, but not for ITN. I'd suggest DYK. --RockstoneSend me a message! 17:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support for RD. Appears to be getting significant coverage internationally, including an article in the New York Times: [1] Thriley (talk) 17:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose an isolated death. Polyamorph (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's clear that the consensus for now is against blurb. I change the nomination format. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose RD as well, the child doesn't have an independent biography. Polyamorph (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- This is not necessarily a requirement in a case like this. The child would never have an independent bio but his death here can be well documented to be an RD. (But there needs to be improvements still on the article) Masem (t) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Technically the boy died in May (according to the judiciary report). An independent article would mean this would pass the notability test for an RD automatically, I don't think that is the case here. The case is making the news but I don't think it should be ITN or RD. Polyamorph (talk) 19:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- This is not necessarily a requirement in a case like this. The child would never have an independent bio but his death here can be well documented to be an RD. (But there needs to be improvements still on the article) Masem (t) 19:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose RD as well, the child doesn't have an independent biography. Polyamorph (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb on notability and Oppose RD due to the article being about the case rather then the child who was the centre of it. This just isn't notable enough for a global encyclopaedia and most folks over here in the UK have bigger things to worry about, such as which Eton Psycho will be our next PM and the impending recession. --SinoDevonian (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Problem: RD requires a biographical Wikipedia article. However, the nominated article Archie Battersbee case is not a biography of the deceased a 12-year-old child. It does not qualify for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- That's not true. Having a standalone bio article is sufficient for RD posting, but RD postings are not limited to those with biographical articles - just that those without biographical articles should still be reviewed as a normal ITNC that is otherwise targetted for RD posting. (Eg: I am pretty sure we have had RDs of criminals that are well identified on the page about the crime they did but lack a standalone article) Masem (t) 20:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Examples: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#(Posted_as_RD)_Ian_Brady_dies_at_79, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2021#(Posted)_RD:_Siegfried_Fischbacher. Black Kite (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- These two examples meet the exception "Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis." What group wikibio does Archie Battersbee belong to? -- PFHLai (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- The first sentence on Wikipedia:In the news/Recent deaths is "An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section
if it has a biographical Wikipedia article
...". Please give us something to read about the subject's life. Right now, the Archie Battersbee case wikipage only has his DoB and his protracted death, nothing on the twelve years in between. Is there anything to write about? For RDs of criminals, at least there would be info on the crimes they committed, and maybe daring escapes, etc. -- PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)- Yes, I agree that the "IAR" examples given above are still biographical articles, and this isn't. Good point. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- IMO, if there is a section in the nominated wikipage that gives the deceased a biographical sketch that is nicely written and fully referenced prose (not bullet-points!), it may be okay to bend the rules and include it on the RD line. -- PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree that the "IAR" examples given above are still biographical articles, and this isn't. Good point. Black Kite (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Examples: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/May_2017#(Posted_as_RD)_Ian_Brady_dies_at_79, Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2021#(Posted)_RD:_Siegfried_Fischbacher. Black Kite (talk) 20:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- That's not true. Having a standalone bio article is sufficient for RD posting, but RD postings are not limited to those with biographical articles - just that those without biographical articles should still be reviewed as a normal ITNC that is otherwise targetted for RD posting. (Eg: I am pretty sure we have had RDs of criminals that are well identified on the page about the crime they did but lack a standalone article) Masem (t) 20:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Seems the [Charlie Gard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/July_2017#%5BPosted_to_RD%5D_RD:_Charlie_Gard case was posted to RD] but Alta Fixsler doesn't have an article. No comment on this nom, just some data points for y'all. Question? Do the UK courts routinely sentence children to death? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- ...That's one hell of a misunderstanding of what happened. It's not sentencing someone to death if they're already dead... --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- LaserLegs, you're an American, right? This sounds alot like the Terri Schiavo case. Remember that? In neither case did the courts sentence anyone to death. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Schiavo's husband and legal guardian asked for the feeding tube to be removed in accordance with her wishes. In these cases, the children's primary caregivers - their parents - are being overruled by the courts and the children condemned to death. It's really quite abhorrent, really. Anyway I don't care if we post this or not, I just vaguely recalled a previous time UK courts ordered a child to die and shared the link to how it was handled that time. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- ??? How is it being condemned to death? The children were not alive, their brains had stopped functioning. Crazy take. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe read up on the case before commenting such absurd nonsense. The boy died in May from a catastrophic brain injury. The blood supply to his brain was cut off. His brain and other organs were necrotising.Polyamorph (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Laserlegs won't bother with the detail, he'll just see it as a chance to make specious claims against Brits. In the time it's taken me to write this sentence, there's a good chance another kid in Amurica has been shot to death. Pointless posturing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- I see. Thanks Polyamorph (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Schiavo's husband and legal guardian asked for the feeding tube to be removed in accordance with her wishes. In these cases, the children's primary caregivers - their parents - are being overruled by the courts and the children condemned to death. It's really quite abhorrent, really. Anyway I don't care if we post this or not, I just vaguely recalled a previous time UK courts ordered a child to die and shared the link to how it was handled that time. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose It might be big in the UK as a human interest story, but it's not news. HiLo48 (talk) 02:31, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's overdone in the UK and far from news, nobody wants to hear about it in the slightest. Not a bio so no RD, I am honestly surprised there is an article that merits keeping since there hasn't even been a novel legal approach (let alone a precedent set). Just some parents struggling to accept their kid's death not shutting up about it, coinciding with silly season. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Support RD The event is notable enough to have an article about his death, I feel that merits him appearing on RD. A biography section about the boy would be welcomed, but sadly I don't think there is much that can be said about the life of a 12 y.o. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:51, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose No legal jurisprudential importance disclosed, and no biographical info either. Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Even having an article is baffling. Kingsif (talk) 14:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose due to a lack of importance. It's suited to DYK instead. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose while desperately sad, it's just been a protracted case with no benefit to anyone. As far as I know it's made little or no difference to UK law, to European law, to anything other than the tragedy of those personally involved. Wouldn't even meet RD criteria as Archie was sadly only know for his death. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment suggest this is closed down, never getting close to the main page. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. -- Sca (talk) 19:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sad for the family, but it’s an overblown case in the UK media and isn’t blurb-worthy. (I’d question whether the article is encyclopaedic - it is unlikely to pass the WP:10YEARTEST) 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7555:23F:F48F:BC86 (talk) 19:37, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Escalation in the Gaza strip
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Blurb: Israel launches Operation Breaking Dawn against the PIJ in the Gaza strip. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel kills a senior PIJ leader, launching Operation Breaking Dawn against PIJ forces in Gaza
Alternative blurb II: Airstrikes on the Gaza strip kill 44 amidst an Israeli military operation against PIJ forces.
News source(s):
Credits:
- Nominated by EditMaker Me (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Orange-tagged for NPOV issues, discussion on talk page continues. Black Kite (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Black Kite. It's also part of a larger conflict that has been going on for too many years. Unfortunately, it has become routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:RECENT, future developments unclear. Selfstudier (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - per BK and due to their as yet being no significant development in the overall conflict. Also the idea that airstrikes are against PIJ and not against Gaza is a POV issue in the hook. nableezy - 12:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Added source links: BBC, AP, Guardian, AlJazeera
OpposeComment – Per Alsor. Significance of this particular flareup not apparent in the context of modern history. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)- Reopened after a good-faith close by User:Kiril Simeonovski. Most oppose !votes referred primarily to quality issues which are addressable, and most notability concerns read to me as effectively "wait" !votes because they remarked that it's still too early to understand the notability. I think there is a realistic possibility that consensus could evolve after the issues with the target article are addressed and more information comes out. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing new here. Such incidents are far too frequent to be recorded here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Seems to be heating up. BBC, AP, AP, Reuters, DW The Gaza toll put at 31 Sunday by AlJazeera. – Sca (talk) 12:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Truce announced [2] --Masem (t) 14:53, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Support or wait. Notable enough to appear on my Spanish news, but article needs work, would be nice to at least get the POV tag removed before posting. AdrianHObradors (talk)
- Weak Oppose Truce has been announced now + unfortunately, not much different from the normal situation. The Kip (talk) 16:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Truce due to begin at 20:30. [3] [4] [5] – Sca (talk) 19:38, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support on notability (but not quality yet) due to the high death toll. It's significantly higher than it was yesterday. I added an altblurb focusing on the casualties, but I feel like I could've worded it better. Feel free to offer improvements. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- And if the death toll is lower tomorrow? These things have been going in cycles for 70 years. HiLo48 (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Huh? I was referring to how the total death toll of the this military operation has reached a point where I think it's blurbworthy. Unless people already pronounced dead suddenly take breaths again, the death toll cannot go down. That the Israel-Palestine conflict has been ongoing for so long does not mean that the occasional escalations with very high death tolls are insignificant. Vanilla Wizard 💙 02:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- HiLo48, if the death toll somehow goes lower tomorrow we are talking zombies and that warrants a blurb imo AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- No. We're simply talking about a failure to communicate. Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and whatever your version is. HiLo48 (talk) 11:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Official death tolls cannot decrease, as far as I know. It is physically impossible. Not sure what it is about Australian English that might render it otherwise. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- No. We're simply talking about a failure to communicate. Maybe it's a difference between Australian English and whatever your version is. HiLo48 (talk) 11:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- And if the death toll is lower tomorrow? These things have been going in cycles for 70 years. HiLo48 (talk) 01:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Truce holds, for now. Toll still reported as 44. [6] [7] – Sca (talk) 12:43, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Narender Thapa
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Saksapoiss (talk · give credit), Lancepark (talk · give credit) and Alexxander3000 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian footballer. Article has shaped into a start-class biography. Just meets the minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 05:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ali Haydar
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Syrian Observatory For Human Rights)
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), Saksapoiss (talk · give credit) and PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Syrian deposed military officer. Article seems good. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Lead could do with expanding to reflect the rest of the content.—Brigade Piron (talk) 22:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)- Support, now that changes have been made. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support I have expanded the lead, pinging Brigade Piron to reevaluate. If more needs adding let me know. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Cherie Gil
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Times CNN Philippines
Credits:
- Nominated by Jollibinay (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Saksapoiss (talk · give credit), NewManila2000 (talk · give credit), Patrick Cristiano (talk · give credit), Hocksock (talk · give credit) and Skycloud86 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Filipino actress. Jollibinay (talk) 11:10, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Filmography section needs more sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Judith Durham
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian singer, songwriter and musician who was lead singer of the Australian popular folk music group The Seekers HiLo48 (talk) 08:13, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, it is updated and sourced. AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support For I know I'll never find another you. Needs some work. Some unsourced paragraphs. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support She was and continues to be very well-known in Australia. Internationally much less so, though as a group The Seekers were quite popular. JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Article does not look good. More sources are required. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Quite widely reported. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Issues have been addressed. Good to go. Mjroots (talk) 14:03, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- The "The Seekers" section has only one footnote for three paragraphs and that ref is a fan site. The "Solo career" section has a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. In her Discography, the list of EPs has only one item (just one?) and it is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:36, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose In addition to the other issues noted, the discography is largely unsourced. There are only citations for select chart positions, not for the albums without chart positions noted. This is far from ready. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- A false objection. Almost every "disc" is a Wikilink. Sourcing needs to be in those articles, not necessarily in this article. HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is good for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Chinese military exercies around Taiwan
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Blurb: China conducts military exercises around Taiwan following Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan and China responds with military exercises around the island
Alternative blurb II: China surrounds and invades Taiwan's territorial waters using military exercises in a notable escalation after Nancy Pelosi's visit.
News source(s): NYT, BBC, Jagran (India), USA Today, WSJ, Bild (Germany), El País (Spain), El Mundo (Spain)
Credits:
- Nominated by AdrianHObradors (talk · give credit)
- Created by IgorTurzh (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MysticForce07 (talk · give credit), Jaredscribe (talk · give credit), HorCrux48 (talk · give credit), Jsnider3 (talk · give credit) and Seloloving (talk · give credit)
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- Comment stop calling it "Nancy Pelosi's trip to Taiwan" it was a total of six exclusively Democrat members of congress who attended via US Airfore transport. We should post this, but the blurb needs to be adjusted. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- I guess you can start with renaming the article then. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 10:16, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose I think this might deserve a blurb, but the military exercises article is being considered for deletion and has problems, and the visit has already been discussed this week and wasn't posted. If it is to be posted, the exercises article should either be improved or merged. echidnaLives (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- EchidnaLives the military exercise article was proposed for deletion as it was named before "Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis". It has been moved,
butand will probably stay. Still, I agree it should get resolved before the blurb gets posted, and could perhaps still get posted only with Nancy Pelosi's article. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC); edited AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- EchidnaLives the military exercise article was proposed for deletion as it was named before "Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis". It has been moved,
- Oppose Military exercises are not that rare (see for example this list). If things escalate and China invades Taiwan, that will surely deserve posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:08, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think the difference is that this one is in direct response of an event, and all around Taiwan. I think if Russia decided to do a military exercise all around Hawaii, it would be news as well. AdrianHObradors (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait – So far it's just gunboat diplomacy, 21st century-style. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Military exercises around Taiwan have unfortunately been a fact of life for the better part of the past 30 years. While it has escalated recently, these exercises have in the past waxed and waned. Most news articles are focusing on the outcome of Pelosi's Taiwan visit and only mention military exercises as a sort of follow-up or side article, rather than the main focal attention. If it does become a crisis or standoff, it should be titled as an actual "crisis" and re-nominated. 193.119.98.23 (talk) 13:14, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support they invaded Taiwan's territorial waters and fired into them, encircling the whole island. This makes it very different to just a normal military exercise, it's the closest you can get to war without one. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait Still posturing in light of the Pelosi visit. Nothing new here. --Masem (t) 14:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - This isn't a significant development, and the fact that one of the sample blurbs slips the reliable wiki-hooray-word 'notable' in there just shows how much of a reach this is. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:52, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait -- this is in the news, but it's not blurb-worthy, and it may not be. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing notable here. Many countries, including my own, Australia, routinely conduct dick-rattling military exercises in that region. Until we get independent reports from reliable media in countries that aren't involved in such mine-is-bigger-than-yours activities, there is really nothing to report. HiLo48 (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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(Closed) Brittney Griner
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Blurb: Brittney Griner is sentenced to nine years in prison in Russia for drug possession and smuggling. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)
- Comment: Article not updated with sentencing information. SpencerT•C 15:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don’t see any extraordinary significance in sentencing a person who was found guilty for smuggling drugs. Many people around the world get punished for committing similar crimes on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- The signficance comes from the fact that she is a US citizen (and a black lesbian) prominently detained in Russia just before its invasion of Ukraine. The potential for her to be used as a political bargaining chip, or treated badly because of her identity as distinct from her alleged offence, is relevant. I don't think the story currently merits ITN, but it would be naive to ignore the context. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose A high profile case sure, but not a particularly noteworthy sentence. Drug smuggling gets punished far worse in countries like Malaysia or Indonesia. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 16:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Other countries' severe punishments are not relevant to this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- all im saying is for the crime committed, the punishment isn't particularly severe. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 19:03, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Other countries' severe punishments are not relevant to this case. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kiril and 4iamking. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not seeing the lasting significance. Kafoxe (talk) 16:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning Oppose - The significance of this story obviously comes from the context of international tensions between USA and Russia over Ukraine, and it may gain in prominence when more reactions come it. But at present, I don't think it merits posting. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I suspect that if she had not been notable for her basketball career, we wouldn't even have an article about this case. Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose thank you for updating the article and attempting this nomination. ITN is only for a small number of highly prominent news events. The conviction is a mere formality, hardly news at all because the outcome was forordaned. Jehochman Talk 19:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Barry Downs (architect)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian architect. West coast modern architecture. Death announced in WP:RS on this date. I will work on expanding the article some more. Basic edits done. Rater.js says B-class, but, I think the article is a base C-class biography. Meets minimums for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- This brand new article is long enough to qualify (480 words of prose). Coverage of the subject's life seems fine. There are footnotes at expected spots. No glaring formatting issues. And, Earwig could find nothing to complain about. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:10, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
RD/blurb: Olga Kachura
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Alternative blurb: Olga Kachura, one of the founders of Donetsk People's Republic, is killed by Armed Forces of Ukraine
Alternative blurb II: Lieutenant Colonel Olga Kachura is killed after Ukrainian missile strikes her car
News source(s): EuroWeeklyNews, El Mundo (Spain), The Telegraph (UK)
Credits:
- Nominated by AdrianHObradors (talk · give credit)
- Created by Fixer88 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
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AdrianHObradors (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support but no blurb, war is happening, people die, more at 11 This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD only No way an article this short is sufficient to show importance of a person to merit a blurb. But the article is short but otherwise all sourced. --Masem (t) 17:45, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD only She was Colonel and Ukrainian separatist. Here a List of Russian generals killed during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Nothing special. Grimes2 (talk) 17:55, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comments: Stubby entries are generally frowned upon. This wikibio currently has merely 222 words of prose. Any more stuffs to write about? Perhaps her TV interviews? Her trial and prison sentence in absentia? How she died? The
medalaward from Putin? .... Please expand this article. --PFHLai (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)- I'm a bit short on time but if no one updates it I'll try doing it myself. It is true the article is a bit bare bones at the moment. AdrianHObradors (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- No rush. This nom still has a few days of eligibility. --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- No stub anymore: 1638 characters (275 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 09:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- 302 words now. Bravo! Clearly out of stub territory. Do any uninvolved editors want to re-review this expanded wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- No stub anymore: 1638 characters (275 words) "readable prose size" Grimes2 (talk) 09:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- No rush. This nom still has a few days of eligibility. --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm a bit short on time but if no one updates it I'll try doing it myself. It is true the article is a bit bare bones at the moment. AdrianHObradors (talk) 19:56, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and tagged with {{notability}}. The article is right at our minimum length requirements, but is confusing and incomplete. Worse, she does not appear to be notable or pass WP:BLP1E - the article was only created after she died, and all but one of the sources are post-mortem too. Her death could be covered in a single sentence in one of the articles on the Ukraine war; a separate biography article isn't justified IMO. Modest Genius talk 12:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jack Deloplaine
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; WBOY-TV; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good enough for RD. Great work! BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Nothing to complain. Grimes2 (talk) 15:59, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:18, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Johnny Famechon
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/incredible-toughness-and-gracious-spirit-aussie-boxing-legend-johnny-famechon-dies-aged-77/news-story/c3f5cd81b5192cf6b55c6f8777a42ed1
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: World featherweight boxing champion from Australia. Article needs a fair bit of work. Let's hope this nomination leads to that happening. HiLo48 (talk) 00:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait as per @HiLo48 says, article needs work. MyriadSims (talk) 18:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- The top half of this wikipage currently has zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jackie Walorski
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 20:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- article is in good shape to post. Rest in peace to all who died in this tragedy. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support, everything looks ready to go. BD2412 T 22:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks g2g. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support 3rd death in the U.S. House this year. Davey2116 (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support the article is fine, but it goes into little depth about her work as a congresswoman in recent years: nothing about her activity in 2021 (when she became the Ranking Member of the House Ethics Committee), nor in 2019, nor 2014. I think a brief reference to something she might have done in those gap years would be interesting. In the "U.S. House of Representatives" section, there is no prose about the last elections (although they are mentioned as tables further down the article) and there are tags that need to be fixed. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment -- Can an admin please post this? It's been more than 12 hours. Thanks! -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Article is not ready. There’s an orange-tagged subsection. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Orange tagged section is minor and easily fixed. Rest of the article is fine, more or less. Curbon7 (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I dislike how committee info is entered on US House bios. She wasn't serving on those listed committees; they were likely her initial assignments in 2013. So, I took them out and added some sourced prose on her tenure on the Veterans Affairs committee and sourcing her being a ranking member on committees. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready now. Thank you Muboshgu! Kafoxe (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Melissa Bank
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post; Associated Press; The Times of Israel
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Terribleman (talk · give credit)
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Bloom6132 (talk) 07:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Long enough to qualify (600+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, with no formatting issues, and no problems found by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:02, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD. Article quality seems fine. Modest Genius talk 12:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Alastair Little
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard, Eater London (imagine there will be a few more tomorrow)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Petsquirrel (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British chef, extremely influential on british food culture, and particularly the London restaurant scene. Article could do with an image (+ a lil citation cleanup maybe, I added a few) but is detailed + contains details of his death. Petsquirrel (talk) 21:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support, this seems strong enough. BD2412 T 22:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- There are a handful of {cn} and {better source needed} tags that should be addressed before this nom can proceed. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. {cn} tags now gone. --PFHLai (talk) 14:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Vin Scully
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, Los Angeles Times (via Twitter)
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Legendary baseball broadcaster. The Kip (talk) 03:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Not Ready for the usual reason. Referencing is quite poor and needs work. Tagged for ref improve.-Ad Orientem (talk) 04:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)- @Ad Orientem:, please re-review. Should be good now. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:09, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- He's the GOAT. I'm adding sources (and myself as an updater) as we speak. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Much improved and g2g. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support - It's ready.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 18:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support yep, good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: David Bawden
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Funeral home obituary, The Lamp
Credits:
- Nominated by Genericusername57 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 2602:306:CC19:39D0:35D0:2C91:B221:8118 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The article is quite brief, but everything in it is sourced. gnu57 02:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Article is a bit messy, death is not mentioned. And "antipope" should be changed to "conclavist antipope" in any case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdrianHObradors (talk • contribs) 09:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- @AdrianHObradors: I have cleaned up the article, added a mention of his death to the body, and removed "Antipope" from the infobox. Cheers, gnu57 21:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Genericusername57, looking much better to me now.
SupportOppose per Muboshgu.Weak Support after new source AdrianHObradors (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC); edited AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC); second edit AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Genericusername57, looking much better to me now.
- @AdrianHObradors: I have cleaned up the article, added a mention of his death to the body, and removed "Antipope" from the infobox. Cheers, gnu57 21:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong oppose I am aware of the guideline that notability is not to be debated as long as there is an article, but this person doesn't even have any notable professional achievements (or being notorious as a criminal). He was a random layperson with no religious training who dressed up and got a few family members to vote him in as pope. It's not like there were a bunch of actual clerics who broke away. All the coverage is based on a gimmick Bumbubookworm|Bumbubookworm]] (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Bumbubookworm Personally I agree with you, but he somehow managed to end with a documentary made about him and the Wikipedia page. If the page isn't discussed for deletion, then it fits the criteria for RD. AdrianHObradors (talk) 23:21, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- The problem that I see is not what makes him notable. We have people who are famous for being famous and they can be RD. But, this is In the News. Is this in the news? I don't see any RS covering this. Is his funeral home enough to post on? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) US congressional delegation to Taiwan
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Blurb: House Speaker of the United States, Nancy Pelosi visits Taiwan, becoming the first government official in 25 years to visit the country, straining relations between China and the United States. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times (paywalled), AP, Guardian, France24 (AFP), AlJazeera, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)
- Comment I want to support this as significant, but where is the update? China-US relations? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- ...because that article is a mess --LaserLegs (talk) 15:35, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose - This is basically the opposite effect of Nixon in China. But the diplomatic and political intrigue might not be measurable enough from a standpoint of notability. It might be more notable if the delegation was led by the President of the United States, or if it were associated the passage of a specific treaty.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose while the visit is stressing US / China / Taiwan relations, it is currently only posturing. There may be potential for a larger story (China has forces on the border for some military action) but until that happens, this is just a diplomatic visit. Masem (t) 15:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, unless a significant incident actually happens, this is just saber rattling on both sides. Morgan695 (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Or rhetoric-rattling, perhaps. – Sca (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Wait... to see if anything of significance comes from this much-ballyhooed piece of political theater. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose unless there's a major reaction from China. The proposed blurb is misleading: Pelosi is not a member of the US government - she's a legislator with no executive power. Even if she was, merely visiting and giving a speech isn't significant enough. If anything changes in Taiwan's relationship with China, that would be important. But a mere visit by a politician from a friendly nation isn't enough. Modest Genius talk 15:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The United States Congress is very much
a member of the US government
. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The United States Congress is very much
- Oppose it's not really clear that relations are strained or that Pelosi's visit is significant as yet. Yes, it is in the news, but I oppose the current blurb and descriptive theme Andrevan@ 16:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - its a visit by a lone congressperson (sure in the line of succession but still has no say on US policy wrt China or Taiwan). nableezy - 16:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support Per LaserLegs. It is significant enough though to be on the front page of Spanish newspaper // El Mundo//, with an update saying
China sends a destroyer off the coast of Taiwan in view of Pelosi's visit.
(Translation from Google) --AdrianHObradors (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Unless anything significant happens, the rest is just sabre rattling, at any rate this is premature and not different from any other diplomatic event affecting relations between two countries. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 16:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Guardian update says Pelosi vows to "stand by Taiwan," and makes statements against "autocracy." Reuters quotes her pledging "solidarity with the 23 million people of Taiwan." – Sca (talk) 16:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oh okay, I've changed my mind. Super strong support based on this earth-shattering revelation.</s> 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose No US or China policy change, just another junket. Selfstudier (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: T. Mohandas Pai
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian philanthropist and business executive. Article is a start-class biography but just meets minimums for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- This is a brand new article with only 305 words of prose and just long enough to qualify. Coverage of the subject's life seems a little thin, but okay. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Formatting looks fine. And, Earwig did not find any problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. However, it would benefit from an expansion on "his contributions to the development of the city of Manipal" so that readers would appreciate why he was "referred to as the 'architect of modern Manipal'." --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: thanks for this note. Did my best by adding some additional content. Please have a look when you have a moment. Not stellar but beets minimum expectations imo. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, @Ktin, for the additional materials. Looking good. --PFHLai (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: thanks for this note. Did my best by adding some additional content. Please have a look when you have a moment. Not stellar but beets minimum expectations imo. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Robert E. Simanek
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Legacy.com
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Slim but meets minimum standards; adequate coverage for what he was notable for. SpencerT•C 05:16, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lars Tate
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Associated Press; Athens Banner-Herald
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 07:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Article appears to be of sufficient quality for ITN. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:35, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
RD: Tom Cornell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northwest Catholic
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Catholic Worker. Former associate editor of the Catholic Worker newspaper. Thriley (talk) 04:24, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- The "Catholic Worker" and "Writings" sections each has only a single sentence. More info is in order. --PFHLai (talk) 20:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Anastasiya Kobzarenko
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Library of Ukraine for Children
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by CatRacer22 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Ukrainian librarian, 88. I can't read anything of the sources, but it looks solid to me, from the start in 2020. Original creator retired a few months ago, so can't help. A sentence about her death is missing, but I need to go. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment- Article does not show the cause of death. Alex-h (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- because we don't know, but at age 88, perhaps no surprise. The sentence about her death is there now. Can't find a place of death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- adding: this woman did miracles for libraries of children, making the buildings pieces of art, see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Ok. No English sources. Grimes2 (talk) 12:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support article looks good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joseph A. Doorley Jr.
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Go Local Providence
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article has been updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:31, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient, (cmt:) no identifier in Wikidata. Grimes2 (talk) 13:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
(Posted as blurb) RD/Blurb: Ayman al-Zawahiri
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: The leader of Al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured), is killed by a U.S. drone strike. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A U.S. drone strike kills the leader of Al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured).
Alternative blurb II: Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured), leader of Al-Qaeda, dies in a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan.
News source(s): Fox, WaPo, AP, BBC, AlJazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TippedNotion (talk · give credit), Geopony (talk · give credit), Ganesha811 (talk · give credit), Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk · give credit) and Andrevan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Updates to follow. TJMSmith (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb There are several sections which have citation needed tags, but I expect this to be resolved very quickly.
I'm unsure about a blurb though.MarioJump83 (talk) 22:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)- Supporting a blurb, this is a VERY significant news. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb pending page improvements. This is a story we should blurb! This isn't "old man dies", this is a military operation taking out a top terrorist. He's been wanted since 9/11. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb Per above. He's the leader of al-Qaeda. This is quite significant. GWA88 (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb As other editors have commented, al-Zawahiri leads al-Qaeda, the role in which he had succeeded Osama bin Laden, perhaps the world's most famous terrorist leader. Especially given that widespread expectations had been for him to be hiding in Pakistan, there is no longer a U.S. military presence in Afghanistan, and there is no clear successor to al-Zawahiri, creating the possibility of a split in the group. I mean, if England defeating Germany in the Euro is considered relevant enough for ITN, there is no reason this shouldn't be.Augusthorsesdroppings10 (talk) 22:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Support: This is a major development and though we are not a news site, this one in particular warrants categorization as an event and not a mere death. BOTTO (T•C) 22:45, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb—Not only was he the longtime leader of al-Qaeda following Osama's death, but he was actually the brains of the organization even back when he was his predecessor's right-hand man. He was one of the main masterminds behind numerous al-Qaeda operations, including the 9/11 attacks. He merits a full blurb. Kurtis (talk) 23:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Added proposed blurb -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Al Qaida hasn’t carried out a successful terrorist attack, or posed a threat to US national security, in years if not a decade-plus. ( Timeline of al-Qaeda attacks ) Joe Biden claimed he would cease US military operations in Afghanistan. 23:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4C09:2403:9138:C38E:53FA:7544 (talk)
- Get off your soapbox please.-- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb The September 11 attacks perpetrated by Al Qaeda and planned by al-Zawahiri had a significant impact on US foreign policy and global geopolitics in the 21st century. This drone strike is a significant event. Geopony (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment death section is orange tagged for expansion which is silly but the video messages section is unrefrenced and needs to be fixed. --23:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb Terrorist mastermind and internationally wanted for the past two decades. I’d say this qualifies. The Kip (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb mayor development and dead of biggest terrorist since Abu Bakir of Islamic state. Shadow4dark (talk) 23:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Age and nationality rightly overshadowed by cause and effect. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb If the killing of one of the world's most wanted terrorist (not to mention he was leader of Al-Qaeda), doesn't warrent a blurb, what does? DJMcNiff (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Should we make sure this is a claim on the US's part? I'm not seeing confirmation from those on the ground so right now its the US Military's word. --Masem (t) 00:30, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-conducts-successful-counterterrorism-operation-takes-out-significant-al-qaeda-target-afghanistan Andrevan@ 01:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nowhere is there non-US confirmation of the death. It is unlikely that this a lie, but its not 100% proven. Masem (t) 03:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- NYT has it confirmed by the Taliban: "A statement from the Taliban condemned the operation. “It is an act against the interests of Afghanistan and the region,” the statement said. “Repeating such actions will damage the available opportunities."[10] also CNN ". "Multiple streams of intelligence" confirmed Zawahiri was killed." [11] and others [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] Andrevan@ 04:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The CNN is fine then for that. But as a note, just because the Taliban condemned the operation doesn't mean the leader was killed, just that they condemned the US attack. Masem (t) 04:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Andrevan@ 04:49, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- The CNN is fine then for that. But as a note, just because the Taliban condemned the operation doesn't mean the leader was killed, just that they condemned the US attack. Masem (t) 04:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- NYT has it confirmed by the Taliban: "A statement from the Taliban condemned the operation. “It is an act against the interests of Afghanistan and the region,” the statement said. “Repeating such actions will damage the available opportunities."[10] also CNN ". "Multiple streams of intelligence" confirmed Zawahiri was killed." [11] and others [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] Andrevan@ 04:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Nowhere is there non-US confirmation of the death. It is unlikely that this a lie, but its not 100% proven. Masem (t) 03:59, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-conducts-successful-counterterrorism-operation-takes-out-significant-al-qaeda-target-afghanistan Andrevan@ 01:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb Obvious relevance r.e. war on terror This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb Article is in good shape. Suggest removing the text with "citation required" tags per WP:BLP. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:53, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Biden video on cspan about it just for reference not for inclusion [17] Andrevan@ 01:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb, considering its importance to US foreign policy history. Mover of molehillsmove me 01:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 Major news, Should be alt2, location is important. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 01:22, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support Definitely in the news. Aaron106 01:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb No brainer. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- How can there be so many SUPPORT !votes for a wikibio with about ten {cn} tags in the prose, and an orange tag for inadequate referencing in the Promotional activities section? --PFHLai (talk) 05:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'd say it's because this is far and away the biggest headline news event in the US news cycle at the moment, and likely of international interest as well. Andrevan@ 05:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps !voting was done without looking at the wikiarticle, which is NOT READY! --PFHLai (talk) 05:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'll do some work on the article. I just added a few missing citations. "one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article," right? And he's no longer a living person now... Andrevan@ 05:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mjroots PFHLai can you take another look at the article, I added a few citations and trimmed a few statements which were old and I couldn't find recent information about. Andrevan@ 06:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- OK, {{cn}} tags have been dealt with. Article is now fit for posting. Mjroots (talk) 06:08, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mjroots PFHLai can you take another look at the article, I added a few citations and trimmed a few statements which were old and I couldn't find recent information about. Andrevan@ 06:00, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'll do some work on the article. I just added a few missing citations. "one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article," right? And he's no longer a living person now... Andrevan@ 05:46, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps !voting was done without looking at the wikiarticle, which is NOT READY! --PFHLai (talk) 05:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'd say it's because this is far and away the biggest headline news event in the US news cycle at the moment, and likely of international interest as well. Andrevan@ 05:25, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Posted as blurb Stephen 06:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Propose change to blurb: add link to Assassination of Ayman al-Zawahiri in the blurb. Something like "Ayman al-Zawahiri (pictured), the leader of Al-Qaeda, is killed by a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan." — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdrianHObradors (talk • contribs) 09:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I Support that change. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 16:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) 2022 European heat waves
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/06/20/france-germany-spain-europe-heatwave/
Credits:
- Nominated by AdrianHObradors (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Miggie H (talk · give credit), Greyzxq (talk · give credit) and Amffy (talk · give credit)
- Oppose There have been heat waves all over, and the worst in the European case is mostly over. Masem (t) 13:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose This would have been suitable in ITN a couple weeks ago, but the worst of the heatwaves is over now. greyzxq talk 13:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose a proseline disaster that has become an incoherent mess I cannot really discern what the current status is. Most updates seem to be at least a week old though. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, We've had heatwaves in different parts of the world, it is not a subject for ITN Alex-h (talk) 14:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) July 2022 United States floods
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [18], [19]
Credits:
- Updated by Cabin134 (talk · give credit) and United States Man (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose for now - article is orange tagged, so ineligible at present. Also, you need to propose a blurb for this. Might support in principle once article updated, as it looks like a significant loss of life. — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- This ITNC is duplicate of the one below about Kentucky floods. --Masem (t) 13:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- Also, including Las Vegas in the system that primarily affected the Eastern US is disingenuous, that should not be considered part of the same topic. Masem (t) 13:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- no it is not, It was disscued that the former 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods has to be merged with July 2022 United States floods Cabin134 (talk) 13:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- NOTE: This was ITN Nominated 2 days ago in Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Kentucky floods. An admin needs to close this ITN Nomination as one is already open. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
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