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:'''Support on Significance, Oppose on quality''' the article is not in good shape. It lacks inline citations and is a bit short. But the death toll is significant therefore it should be on the main page. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]</sup> 05:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
:'''Support on Significance, Oppose on quality''' the article is not in good shape. It lacks inline citations and is a bit short. But the death toll is significant therefore it should be on the main page. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]</sup> 05:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:PrinceofPunjab|PrinceofPunjab]], @[[User:The Kip|The Kip]] New details have been added to the article, but I couldn’t delve further due to the scarcity of new and detailed |
::@[[User:PrinceofPunjab|PrinceofPunjab]], @[[User:The Kip|The Kip]] New details have been added to the article, but I couldn’t delve further due to the scarcity of new and detailed informations. Unfortunately, there hasn’t been much news since the incident occurred, primarily because of the lack of active journalism in the country. [[User:3000MAX|3000MAX]] ([[User talk:3000MAX|talk]]) 16:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' part of a bigger conflict and the victims do not appear to be civilians. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 10:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' part of a bigger conflict and the victims do not appear to be civilians. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 10:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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*:It may be a part of a bigger conflict, but that conflict is not covered by ongoing and we have a blurb about Israeli airstrike in Damascus in which only 2 out of 16 dead were civilians. I didn't know we can only post when deaths are mostly civilians. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]</sup> 15:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
*:It may be a part of a bigger conflict, but that conflict is not covered by ongoing and we have a blurb about Israeli airstrike in Damascus in which only 2 out of 16 dead were civilians. I didn't know we can only post when deaths are mostly civilians. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]<sup>[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]</sup> 15:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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RD: Joseph E. Brennan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Working on expanding it – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support - needs more details on death.
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(talk|contribs) 00:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC) - Weak Support Personal life section needs expansion and more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
2024 Ecuador-Mexico diplomatic crisis
Blurb: Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador after the latter storms its embassy in Quito. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador in response to Ecuadorian police forcibly entering the Mexican embassy in Quito.
Alternative blurb II: Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador in response to Ecuadorian police forcibly entering the Mexican embassy in Quito.
News source(s): Washington Post, El Pais
Credits:
- Nominated by Ixtal (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 廣九直通車 (talk · give credit) and Aquintero82 (talk · give credit)
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ixtal (talk • contribs) 11:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Mexico seems to have completely broken off any relations with Ecuador. That's pretty major. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for events to escalate.
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(talk|contribs) 14:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- They broke diplomatic relations. Isn't that enough escalation? They won't (let's hope) go to an actual war over this. Cambalachero (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support given that it's already a full breaking of diplomatic relationships, we can't really predict whether there will be further escalation but that enough is already notable. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support A pretty big event and Mexico have broken its relations. We posted 2023 Canada–India diplomatic crisis [2] even though there was no official breaking of relations between those two countries. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's no dedicated article and not much of an update. Coverage doesn't seem significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose'solely due to lack of a dedicated article. The incident is quite serious and almost without modern precedent. It warrants an article, and a blurb.-Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- There is zero requirement for a standalone article, only that either we have a new article of reasonable length or that there has been a significant update to an existing article. I am on the edge of supporting this on significance, but in terms of quality there would likely need to be at least a few more paragraphs in the target article (in addition to overall article quality) to support. — Masem (t) 16:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support big international incident. The article is properly updated. Cambalachero (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support, major international incident - like the Syria airstrike, one nation violating the diplomatic territory of another is significant. The Kip 18:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose agree that no dedicated article is required but the section in the relations article is insufficient providing no background on Glas and almost no specifics about the raid (timing, causalities, notifications, etc). Should be an easy support if the target is improved slightly. Also LOL Mexico caring about national sovereignty after facilitating a full scale invasion of the United States for decades. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- A full scale invasion? Last time they fought was nearly two centuries ago, and the US started it by annexing Texas... Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I have a feeling they're referring to something quite contemporary. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly, Mexico refused to recognize Texan independence, nor their request for annexation by the United States, invaded a foreign country and lost half their territory for their trouble. Of course, if Polk had done his job 180 years ago we'd be in sovereign control of the entire continent and not dealing with the infestation we're dealing with today. Oh well. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- I doubt you're describing an infestation of bugs. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, weren't you the IP blocked for one month for repeatedly saying racist things about Latin Americans already? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- I intended to keep these suspicions private, but with the above remarks I’ll say it: the IP in question’s behavior quite reminds me of the CBANned user LaserLegs and I’ll be taking both the above remarks and said suspicions to ANI shortly. The Kip 02:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- New target is better but still mostly filler. Remember the five sentences rule? Too bad it's not a rule anymore. Wall of reactions flag salad looks terrible and is mostly unncessary. 24.125.98.89 (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Here you go again with your unnecessary and political remark. You made similar remarks under the 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash discussion here and here. Even though you later deleted your comment, it appears that you like making irrelevant comments and like to use ITN/C as a political fourm like you just did here. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- A full scale invasion? Last time they fought was nearly two centuries ago, and the US started it by annexing Texas... Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador has been started. You may wish to include that in the blurb, when it is ready. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, Ecuador–Mexico diplomatic incident has been created. I requested speedy deletion of that article because it was created later and had less info under CSD A10/WP:Dup guidelines. 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito has also been created and another user created a merge request between that and Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador. Thought I'd make these comments for awareness as there is a discussion about a lack of a dedicated article. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, I'd say 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito is the most complete, and has the more precise and accurate title. If the diplomatic incident expands, having a separate article for it might be a good thing, but right now it's a massive case of WP:TOOSOON. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- That article is in poor shape. Half of it is reaction kudzu, and the actual events are two paragraphs total. This is why a separate article wasn't needed, just expansion in the current relations one. — Masem (t) 00:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- If anything, I'd say 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito is the most complete, and has the more precise and accurate title. If the diplomatic incident expands, having a separate article for it might be a good thing, but right now it's a massive case of WP:TOOSOON. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Additionally, Ecuador–Mexico diplomatic incident has been created. I requested speedy deletion of that article because it was created later and had less info under CSD A10/WP:Dup guidelines. 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito has also been created and another user created a merge request between that and Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador. Thought I'd make these comments for awareness as there is a discussion about a lack of a dedicated article. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb with 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador as the target. I'm not wild about all the reaction cruft, but that can be sorted out through the usual processes of editing and consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality per Ad Orientem. We now have content in the article about the actual event itself. Fantastic. The article is still over 90% cruft, but it's progress! DarkSide830 (talk) 01:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality: the new article, while well sourced, can definitely be expanded. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 04:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support a big international incident. LiamKorda 07:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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(Closed) 2024 New Jersey earthquake
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: A magnitude 4.8 earthquake hits New Jersey, making it the strongest eartkquake to affect the state since 1783. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.fox29.com/news/earthquake-did-you-feel-it-philadelphia-area-shaking
Credits:
- Nominated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Little to no damage. No casualties. Seemingly the most consequential thing to happen were the temporary closings of some important pieces of infrastructure but none of these said pieces were damaged at all. An interesting oddity, but not really ITN worthy Kosazhra (talk) 20:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Would make a good DYK, but absolutely a flash in the pan in news terms. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Unlike the Thailand quake, this was far weaker and there's no significant damage. May be unusual to NYC residents but not to the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 20:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with your argument, but the other quake was in Taiwan, not Thailand, lol. DecafPotato (talk) 21:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose no damage, no victims. Alarmed New Yorkers is not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Chabahar and Rask clashes
Blurb: A terrorist attack in Chabahar and Rask, Iran resulted in the death of 27 individuals, including 11 Iranian security force members and 16 militants. (Post)
News source(s): https://indianexpress.com/article/world/twenty-seven-die-militant-attack-iran-security-forces-9251245/
Credits:
- Created and nominated by 3000MAX (talk · give credit)
3000MAX (talk) 22:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Seems notable enough, but the article feels far too short for the front page. The Kip 22:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll add a little more details soon, but since the journalism in Iran works under direct harsh governmental surveillance, it's hard to find detailed information on the web to improve the article.
- Also i would be appreciate some help I'm not sure what inbox fits the best. Is there a list of inboxes so i can find the right one? 3000MAX (talk) 23:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably Template:Infobox military conflict or Template:Infobox military operation. The Kip 23:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Or Template:Infobox civilian attack? Stephen 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the target of this attack was Iranian security forces and individuals on either side were killed in the ensuing combat, I think military conflict might be the best. The Warrenpoint ambush seems somewhat comparable from an article standpoint. The Kip 23:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Or Template:Infobox civilian attack? Stephen 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Probably Template:Infobox military conflict or Template:Infobox military operation. The Kip 23:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on Significance, Oppose on quality the article is not in good shape. It lacks inline citations and is a bit short. But the death toll is significant therefore it should be on the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab, @The Kip New details have been added to the article, but I couldn’t delve further due to the scarcity of new and detailed informations. Unfortunately, there hasn’t been much news since the incident occurred, primarily because of the lack of active journalism in the country. 3000MAX (talk) 16:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose part of a bigger conflict and the victims do not appear to be civilians. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- It may be a part of a bigger conflict, but that conflict is not covered by ongoing and we have a blurb about Israeli airstrike in Damascus in which only 2 out of 16 dead were civilians. I didn't know we can only post when deaths are mostly civilians. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PrinceofPunjab. LiamKorda 07:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Pat Zachry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose I've added a few CN tags, though the article isn't far off.The Kip 22:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- The Kip, I've resolved those. I'll check again to see if there's anything else that slipped past me earlier today. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha, changing vote to Support. The Kip 22:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- The Kip, I've resolved those. I'll check again to see if there's anything else that slipped past me earlier today. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- The birth date and location are not cited. Flibirigit (talk) 11:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Flibirigit, cited now. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article seems ready now. LiamKorda 07:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Ready. Issued resolved. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 11:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Thomas Gumbleton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Catholic Bishop.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Most of the "Early life" section is unsourced. The Kip 22:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is ready now. LiamKorda 07:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Lynne Reid Banks
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I've orange-tagged the Works section as most of it has no book ID numbers/references. There's one uncited sentence as well. The Kip 22:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the books section is not ready. LiamKorda 07:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Reviewers needed) RD: Abu Maria al-Qahtani
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
One cn tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article seems good enough. LiamKorda 07:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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(Reviewers needed) RD: Kalevi Kiviniemi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): YLE (in Finnish)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Finnish concert organist, playing concerts at Notre-Dame, St. John the Divine, the bamboo organ in the Philippines and our local church, especially gifted to match music and instruments. I expanded his article back in 2010. Since, it was expanded by other enthusiasts, sadly resulting in a load of unsourced copyvio, and without links. Some works and universities where he gave master classes are commented out until we find a ref, - help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the article is largely fine but I do not like the Organ Era recordings. It has way too many redlinks and has only 3 sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- It has the fuga source and the French overview for all (or let's say: most) on top. The diligent match of organs and the repertoire for them that made this player unique shows there best, imho, also his way of not only playing the "grand" instruments but those of historic interest. If it helps I can list them more specifically. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Reviewers needed) RD: Gaetano Pesce
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Noted Designer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:09, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Almost ready article is in good shape except the literatures section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Barth
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Dilettante (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American postmodern writer. Several cn tags. Sincerely, Dilettante 10:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is of high quality and well sourced, and the death is documented and sourced. Fileyfood500 (talk) 23:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose 4 cn tags, awards section needs more sources, biblography needs ISBNs or sources. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 06:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the awards section and Bibliography needs sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Taiwan earthquake
Blurb: A 7.4-magnitude earthquake strikes near Hualien City, Taiwan. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Created by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit) and Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
– Muboshgu (talk) 01:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for effects to become more clear/article to be expanded further, then support. The Kip 01:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The tsunami warning has passed, and while there are some collapsed buildings, it looks like there's no significant fatalities or injuries based on most recent reports. Helps that the epicenter was several miles out from land. --Masem (t) 02:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just adding that the count has been upped to 1 death and 50+ injuries but that's rather tame for a quake of this scale, to the point I still don't think we need to post this. Masem (t) 04:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with this line of thinking. Any large earthquake above 6.5 or 7.0 magnitude with its own article is "in the news" and should be worthy for posting. Natg 19 (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. This earthquake was significant in the region and did damage buildings. Any earthquake over 7.0 where there are people nearby should qualify as a major news story. S-1-5-7 (talk) 05:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just because an earthquake exceeds a threshold should not be reasons to post, since that factor alone doesn't give any weight to notability or long term impacts. It's along the lines of "if a tree fell in the woods...", that simply happening may not generate the sourcing or coverage we could expect if it was a major disaster. — Masem (t) 14:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with this line of thinking. Any large earthquake above 6.5 or 7.0 magnitude with its own article is "in the news" and should be worthy for posting. Natg 19 (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Article is reasonable now. This is not a "best article" category; it is what is in the news. More details will presumably be added. S-1-5-7 (talk) 05:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support: No issues with article and seems ready to be posted. More details can be added to the article as further information is released. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The earthquake is already receiving extensive international coverage. Reported casualties are also increasing as time goes on. It is the most powerful earthquake in Taiwan in 25 years. This is definitely noteworthy of an ITN post. Focus should be on article quality at this point. Tofusaurus (talk) 12:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per reasons listed above. —Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 06:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since there's no significant casualties, it happened in the desolate part of the island.3000MAX (talk) 06:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- The BBC is reporting seven fatalities, and that the epicentre was within 12 miles of Hualien City, which has a population of nearly 100,000. GenevieveDEon (talk) 06:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- right, the area is not isolated. 3000MAX (talk) 09:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- There is no minimum death toll needed to count something as a disaster. If this was an earthquake was equally sized as this one but in a remote area where there wasn’t much potential to cause any real damage, this would be a more valid point. But this happened in a somewhat populated area where the potential for damage was high. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 16:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- The BBC is reporting seven fatalities, and that the epicentre was within 12 miles of Hualien City, which has a population of nearly 100,000. GenevieveDEon (talk) 06:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait This seems borderline as List of earthquakes in 2024 indicates that there's a mag 7+ earthquake every month on average and so we should focus on the ones with significant impact. The details of this one still seem to be emerging. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support – It has caused considerable damage and rescue efforts are ongoing. Several dozen people remain trapped in buildings. Sounds notable for inclusion.Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 07:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Although a magnitude 7+ earthquake happens every month or so on average, this is the second most powerful earthquake of the year, and it did hit a densely populated area rather than the middle of the ocean, and had secondary effects such as a landslide and a small tsunami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HelloThereQuestionablePerson (talk • contribs) 11:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support significant event, many missing and injured, the casualties are only going to rise over the next several days. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the impacts of the earthquake become more clear. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for the situation to become clear. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 13:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until we have more reports of the impact. Magnitude 7+ earthquakes are common, but this happened in the middle of a fairly large town and there are already several casualties reported with the possibility for many more. Estreyeria (talk) 14:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support since around ten people died, making it a significant event. LiamKorda 14:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the death toll cureently stands at 9 and it could increase. We blurbed 2024 Noto earthquake when the death toll was still in the mid single digits. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support The death toll and injury statistics are actively changing and disruptions to city centers and highways would impact trade/tourism/etc. Toroko (the sit of at least 4 deaths) is possibly the most visited national park in Taiwan. Ycleike (talk) 14:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support That over one hundred people are trapped in highway tunnels, with no outside contact established, is grim and disturbing. Rescue attempts guarantee this earthquake is ITN. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 14:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on account of the damage to infrastructure; and, suspension of semiconductor manufacture from some larger plants which could end up affecting the global electronics economy. - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 17:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Consensus to post has been established. Schwede66 18:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support. There are 'only' 10 confirmed dead so far, but that number seems bound to rise given there are currently over 100 missing and over 1000 injuries reported. Property damage appears to be extensive. I think this crosses the line into major impacts worth posting. The article is in good shape - quite impressive given the rapidly evolving situation. Modest Genius talk 18:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Picture The picture (right) is excellent. Kudos to 鐵路1 for uploading it and Quake1234 for adding it. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: Free promotion for Kato. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 13:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I cropped it for max impact as a thumbnail. Schwede66 16:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
April 2
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(Reviewers needed) RD: Notker Wolf
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Credits:
- Nominated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit), Daniel the Monk (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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German Benedictine monk and electric guitarist, the "rocking abbot". Jmanlucas (talk) 03:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This guy sounds really interesting, I think the article could do with a little more on his musical career. How often do you hear of a Benedictine monk in a rockband?? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I nominated the same person: German Abbott Primate of the Benedictines until 2016, known as the rock abbott. Article was there, only one ref lost. Just added a bit, such as rock to lead. Don't miss the little video in memory at the end - so full of life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC) Will move it now to the correct date. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Almost ready article is in good shape except the Recordings section is unsourced.PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)- They are referenced now. Three of the references are good for more, - I'm out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- They are referenced now. Three of the references are good for more, - I'm out for the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Christopher Durang
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7572:264F:E304:8869 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American playwright. 240F:7A:6253:1:7572:264F:E304:8869 (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the work section barely has 4 sources and have multiple tags and there are cn tags in the other parts of the article too. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Juan Vicente Pérez
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support article meets requirements. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is of sufficiently good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is well cited. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 09:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Gayrettepe nightclub fire
Blurb: In Turkey, at least 29 construction workers are killed in a fire while renovating an Istanbul nightclub. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Created by Fixer88 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Little surprised this hadn’t been nominated yet. The Kip 21:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, not every disaster with 20+ deaths has to be on ITN. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose barring something like this being arson or the like, thus type if low-level man made accidental disaster isn't good material fir stand alone articles as it likely will have no impact within a few years. Masem (t) 22:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- I'm sorry, if this occurred in an Anglosphere country, this would be posted instantly. There is no requirement for a minimum number of deaths, but this event is nonetheless notable enough for posting, the fact that it happened in Turkey instead of the US or UK is not reason not to post. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'd also oppose it if it was in an Anglosphere country. Accidents of this level are, sadly, pretty routine news at the world's scale, and not the kind of impactful events that should be featured on Wikipedia's main page. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Tragic event but not notable enough. ITN is supposed to serve for the uttermost uncommon events, and this event itself will most likely have no impact long term per Masem. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Nearly 30 people died in a fire. Unfortunate and not really common event. Too bad systemic bias sometimes seem very evident around here. Please remember this is a global project, not an anglophone-countries one. --Bedivere (talk) 00:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. An incident with 14 spanish dead got in ITN within hours. Lukt64 (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Lukt64. Does border on NEVENT but for the sake of consistency we probably should post this. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above; the article does not indicate this will have any long term impact. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Construction deaths are common everywhere and the article lacks detail. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per notability, the number of casualties is higher then a simple work accident. 3000MAX (talk) 10:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready the article is not ready to be featured on ITN. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Something like this would absolutely be posted if it had occurred in Chicago or Los Angeles. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- As a workplace accident or as a nightclub fire? Does your hypothetical US-based scenario automatically make this fire in Turkey notable? 24.125.98.89 (talk) 17:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Lukt64 and WaltClipper. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but oppose on quality for now The # of deaths makes this notable enough for a blurb, but the article needs more details. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose quality Not enough info on the fire itself and there could be more reactions listed. Once the article has more detail it should be posted Hungry403 (talk) 02:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the article is not in a good shape. LiamKorda 10:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Judith Tuluka Appointed First African Woman PM
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Blurb: The President of DR Congo names Judith Suminwa Tuluka as first African female Prime Minister (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
- Oppose on both quality and notability: Tuluka’s article is a stub in dreadful shape, the PM of the DRC does not hold executive power, and Tuluka is not the first female African head of state or government. The Kip 21:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kip. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, and just to be clear:
- This is an appointed position, so it's not an election result.
- It's not the chief executive position; that's the president, who made the appointment.
- The claim in the nomination is false. Aside from the various presidents Kip has linked to, there have been several female prime ministers in various African countries before now. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per The Kip & GenevieveDEon. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 03:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for all the reasons above. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
[Reviewers needed] RD: John Sinclair
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): metrotimes, mlive, Detroit Free Press, CBS, Washington Post, Rolling Stone
Credits:
- Updated by 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit) and DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Big in the White Panther Party. Important poet. Counter cultural icon. Founder of the Hash bash in Ann Arbor, Michigan John Lennon played to free him from persecution (and prison). 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support: His journalism career alone seems illustrious enough to me. Jarrod Baniqued (he/him) (talk) 06:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- RDs don't have a criteria of notability: only article quality matters for them. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wait The discography section is entirely unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Wait some paragraphs do not have sources at the end and some sections of discography are not unsourced.PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Discography is fully sourced. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Almost ready the article is almost ready now except for some unsourced claims in the Foundation section and MC5 section.PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)- Updated. I submit this is ready to go. Everything is sourced. No templates.
- Parenthetically, the Ann Arbor Hash Bash which will probably be heavy on memorializing him is set for April 6, 2024 tomorrow. Running this soon would be fitting. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Discography is fully sourced. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Chris Cross
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Ultravox bassist; co-wrote "Vienna" amongst others. Died on 25 March; news released today. Article needs a lot of work. Note: NOT Christopher Cross, who was surprised to be informed he was dead on social media. Black Kite (talk) 19:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not Kris Kross either.—Bagumba (talk)
- Oppose Orange tagged and needs a lot of sourcing work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 08:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the article is almost entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs work as mentioned, also not significantly more distinctive than other people with the same or similar names so that might lead to confusion. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Viertola school shooting
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Blurb: A school shooting in Finland leaves one dead and two injured. (Post)
News source(s): PBS
Credits:
- Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
Very rare and tragic event in Finland. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Article is a stub and I'm leaning towards lacking notability as well. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 15:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it might be rare in Finland, but come on now. With one death, this isn't notable. It's not even a mass shooting by any definition. --RockstoneSend me a message! 16:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is not that it "might be rare" to occur in Finland, it is that “it is rare”. A certainty. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, not every shooting is notable, even in countries with a usually low crime rate. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A shooting is rare in Europe, let alone Finland. But with one fatality, this unfortunate act is not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Although my heart goes out to the victims, this is just standard police blotter stuff. rawmustard (talk) 19:06, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above, and recommend SNOW close. The Kip 21:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
RD: Maryse Condé
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Dilettante (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Spectritus (talk · give credit) and Proscribe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Arguably the preeminent French writer. Perennial candidate for the Nobel. Brilliant writer, dead at 90. Bibliography needs sourcing. Sincerely, Dilettante 14:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I think the article is fine as is. Jaguarnik (talk) 11:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support pending additional sourcing for awards section. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- The Selected Bibliography section is still largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Bibliography section is largely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Larry Lucchino
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
Credits:
- Nominated by MAINEiac4434 (talk · give credit)
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Longtime baseball executive, article seems well-sourced. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - looks good to me ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 15:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- The article has no citation for his birth date. Flibirigit (talk) 19:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Added a citation for the above, and fix a couple others. Flibirigit (talk) 19:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
April 1
(Ready) RD: Anne Innis Dagg
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC.ca
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Dnllnd (talk · give credit), Suslindisambiguator (talk · give credit) and Bueller 007 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Canadian Zoologist. Found this article at Recent Deaths. Seems to meet quality expectations for mainpage / RD. I did not have to make any edits. Ktin (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support there is one cn tag but otherwise the article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Resolved the one maintenance tag. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) World Central Kitchen drone strikes
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Blurb: In Gaza, Israeli Defense Forces kill 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers in a drone strike. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, O Globo
Credits:
- Nominated by Bait30 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Makeandtoss (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Durranistan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose blurb Unlike the consulate strike below, this is covered by ongoing, and besides the non-Israeli/Palestinian nationalities of the deceased I don’t see what makes this especially different than any of the war’s unfortunately many attacks on civilians (including aid workers). The Kip 21:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's unfortunate that the media/world governments care more when it's Western nationalities, but that fact is the reason why it's getting so much more coverage than any of the other killings of civilians in this war. And again, just because something is covered by ongoing doesn't mean it cannot be blurbed. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 21:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not the first humanitarian aide deaths and likely won't be the last until Israel changes their approach to Gaza. Should be covered by ongoing. Masem (t) 21:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support this is heavily covered by major news organizations and its ramifications are far ranging; also I was just going to nominate this anyway. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Just because an event is considered "ongoing" doesn't mean that all events relating to it can't be blurb, contrary to the claims of some users. It simply means that there needs to be a higher threshold of coversge/significance for something to be blurbed. For example, the Bucha massacre and the Sinking of the Moskva were both blurbed even though the Russian invasion of Ukraine is ongoing. The widespread coverage of this attack, and with the overwhelming death toll being of foreign nationals, more than meets the extended criteria for posting. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 00:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- While I admittedly can’t come up with rationale for why Bucha was posted without potentially sounding biased, the Moskva sinking was posted as it was the largest warship to be sunk in combat in approximately 40 years (since the ARA General Belgrano during the Falklands War). That’s a special/lasting significance that goes beyond the ongoing item. The Kip 18:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose The event is covered by ongoing, but the fact that the World Central Kitchen is stopping its operations in Gaza due to the attack could be significant (though it is too early to tell what the impacts of it will be). Gödel2200 (talk) 01:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is what ongoing is for - We currently have two Israel/Gaza related blurbs nominated in the last day, posting them both is a stretch. This is exactly what the purpose of ongoing is, not just for ongoing events, but for when there is a constant flow of blurb-worthy stories like this. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose once again, this is covered by ongoing. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Israel has struck UNRWA facilities before, this is only making headlines due to the victims not being Palestinian. Unlikely to see any long term consequence of this when compared to other individual incidents of Israel attacking aid organisations. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Traumnovelle & covered by ongoing. Modest Genius talk 18:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support As Godel2200 noted, WCK halting its operations in Gaza is uniquely significant. This attack is also unique and attracting heightened levels of coverage/reaction relative to UNRWA strikes - for example, drawing out some of the fiercest condemnations of Israel yet from former allies in the west. Because this is very potentially a major turning point in the war and is attracting more news coverage than some of the other items we have at ITN currently, I support a blurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 23:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unlike the Iranian consulate airstrike, this is unlikely to have major impact on the conflict and it is covered by ongoing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support this event has caused new developments in the conflict, including WCK halting its operations per Flipandflopped, as well as Biden's warning to Netanyahu: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/04/biden-warns-netanyahu-situation-gaza-is-unacceptable/ Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: 4 days later and news about this attack and direct sequelae is still the top headline on the New York Times, BBC, and Reuters websites. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 00:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support This attack has led to a change in the policy towards Israel by the US government and several other governments (the Australian government is furious and has considerably changed its messaging on the war in response to the attack), and has been major world news. The article is also in decent shape. Nick-D (talk) 02:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Flaherty
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit), KaraokeTJ (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Wellington Bay (talk · give credit)
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Noted Actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready. Many paragraphs without citations. The filmography is mostly unsourced. A citation is needed for his birth date. Flibirigit (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Significant improvements have been made. Article is almost ready. Flibirigit (talk) 11:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Only a few films are missing a citation, and this wouldn't be the first article where a long list is at least temporarily separated from the biography. I trust. however, that the few refs will come. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 05:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lou Conter
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, WaPo, Honolulu Star-Advertiser
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Last survivor of the USS Arizona sunk at Pearl Harbor. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- In less of that I’d go for in the news rather than for recent deaths. It’s big news, at least in the US.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:b13f:5382:6420:adfe:2a66:f322 (talk) 01:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've no view on the article itself, but this IP comment appears to be calling for a blurb. I really think that's not appropriate; being present at an event, and then surviving for a long time afterwards, is not a particularly noteworthy achievement in itself. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. I don't think this is blurb worthy. When the last survivor of World War II goes, that would be worth considering. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've no view on the article itself, but this IP comment appears to be calling for a blurb. I really think that's not appropriate; being present at an event, and then surviving for a long time afterwards, is not a particularly noteworthy achievement in itself. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of sufficiently good quality for RD, but the death itself isn't noteworthy enough to be blurbed. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD - article is sourced well-enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 15:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- The first paragraph in the Military career section need more sourcing. --PFHLai (talk) 08:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Wyliepedia @ 09:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the new footnote. It supported that the subject was a QM, as indicated at the end of the paragraph. But we still need sources for which class of QM, and for the rest of the paragraph. -- PFHLai (talk) 11:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Never mind. Found another ref. --PFHLai (talk) 11:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD. Sufficiently sourced now. Wyliepedia @ 09:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Vontae Davis
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Carrite (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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The Kip 21:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - well cited! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 15:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support good article, ready for RD. FlipandFlopped ツ 23:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 09:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
(Posted as blurb) RD/Blurb: Mohammad Reza Zahedi, 2024 Iranian consulate airstrike in Damascus
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Blurb: In Syria, an Israeli airstrike kills 16 people at the Iranian consulate in Damascus, including brigadier general Mohammad Reza Zahedi (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Syria, a suspected Israeli airstrike kills 16 people at the Iranian consulate in Damascus, including brigadier general Mohammad Reza Zahedi (pictured).
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Israeli forces killed 8 people in an airstrike against the Iranian consulate. The death of Mohammad Reza Zahedi is the most senior death since Solemani. The first article needs work. — Knightoftheswords 19:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Oppose on quality Both articles are of insufficient quality at the present moment. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)- Support RD Article looks fine now. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 06:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, an intentional strike on diplomatic staff is novel to my knowledge. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree this is a notable death, however, this is a military commander of a designated terrorist organization by multiple countries, not a diplomatic staff member, so I don't agree it's notable for that reason. It's notable due to the seniority of the individual, his leadership in a designated terrorist organization, and the manner of his death (an intentional strike). Fileyfood500 (talk) 05:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Zahedi was not the only victim of the strike, even if he may be the most notable. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed Zahedi is not the only victim. My clarification is that the intentional strike is on Zahedi, and that Zahedi's not serving in a diplomatic role. So it is not "an intentional strike on diplomatic staff", and not novel for that reason. However, it is an intentional strike on a senior official in a controversial organization, and that is notable. Fileyfood500 (talk) 02:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Zahedi was not the only victim of the strike, even if he may be the most notable. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree this is a notable death, however, this is a military commander of a designated terrorist organization by multiple countries, not a diplomatic staff member, so I don't agree it's notable for that reason. It's notable due to the seniority of the individual, his leadership in a designated terrorist organization, and the manner of his death (an intentional strike). Fileyfood500 (talk) 05:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Israel has not acknowledged responsibility and there are lots of warring factions in Syria. For precedents, see the List of attacks on diplomatic missions. Cases involving Iran/Persia include the Iran hostage crisis, 1983 US embassy bombing in Beirut and more, going back to Alexander Griboyedov. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support for RD senior IRGC general, def deserves an RD at the very least, weaker support for ITN just because these attacks also happen all the time with Hamas leadership and they aren’t reported on Ion.want.uu (talk) 01:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD once at quality, oppose blurb (either as news story or death blurb) Zahedi does pass notability (info about him well before today), but clearly is not a major figure that we'd give a normal out-of-respect death blurb to. The strike itself is part of the existing ongoing Red Sea crisis item, and would have just been an update to the appropriate article and considered under ongoing for this, so blurbing the event doesn't make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masem (talk • contribs) 02:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Zahedi's article has enough details & references to post as a RD. Support altblurb on notability, oppose on quality This is important enough for a blurb, but the quality of the airstrike article isn't good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 03:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb per Blaylock, but agree we should wait to post until the airstrike article is improved after additional updates/news coverage take place. I do think Zahedi's article is fine though, even if brief. FlipandFlopped ツ 03:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb - Per above. Article is of high quality, making a lot of headlines PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb per above. A very blurb worthy one. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb in principle, significant event which is not directly part of the Gaza war (so not covered by ongoing). The bold link should be the airstrike article, which is a good start but not ready. It has a few {{cn}} tags and currently has only one sentence about the actual airstrike - most of the content is background and 'reactions'. It needs to expand the description of what actually happened before posting. Modest Genius talk 12:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Update: reliable sources are now reporting this as a genuine Israeli airstrike, not just 'suspected', based on private comments by Israeli sources. Modest Genius talk 16:22, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb As per above, this is not covered by ongoing, and I think the killing of a high ranking IRGC general is notable enough. As per Modest Genius, the bold link in the blurb should only be the airstrike itself. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support on the blurb. Event is notable and has the possibility to dramatically escalate tensions in the region, but I'm just a little hesitant to not violate WP:CRYSTALBALL. Definitely Support RD though. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 15:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, happened in Syria against Iranian personnel, so neither covered by the Gaza war nor the Red Sea crisis. The uniqueness of the strike and the high rank of the person targeted make it notable enough. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support blurb, support RD per Mike_gigs. The Kip 20:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think the overall event itself is blurb-worthy even if none of the deceased have an article for RD. That one of those killed has an article and this is a RD/blurb nomination just sort of complicated things. -- KTC (talk) 21:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ITNRD states that a death blurb can be invoked if the manner of death is the main story. Additionally, this may was well be his RD, since we're not going to be scheduling a seperate RD nom just for him. — Knightoftheswords 03:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb – This to me feels like a very scary and direct expansion of the conflict. Article can use work but is of sufficient quality. Zahedi's article looks good. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support As per above, this event is not covered by ongoing, and I think this could lead serious escalation in the region. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- The event is covered by Ongoing as it appears in the Israel Hamas article which covers such peripheral action too. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Marking as ready near unanimous support, with the only oppose being obsolete, all quality issues addressed. — Knightoftheswords 03:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not bothered about an RD for this but am still opposed to a blurb. It's the nominated blurbs which are obsolete as their numbers of deaths doesn't agree with the article. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Posted ALT0 as there's consensus for this blurb. Just waiting on media protection. Schwede66 22:59, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly Oppose due to big mistake - the sentence writes that an Iranian consulate was struck, but this relaly doesn't makes any sense since countries have consulates in cities that are not the capital, France has an embassy in Cairo and has a consulate in Alexandria, it wouldn't have a consulate in Cairo. Also, the building also doesn't function as a consular building but sources place it within the diplomatic compound. Pictures from the place show the building is outside the fenced Iranian embassy compound. It is INCORRECT to write that it is was a strike against the Iranian embassy or against an Iranian consulate! Should be fixed to "building adjacent to the Iranian embassy building" I don't have a problem with the news piece but this is a big mistake and really should be fixed! Thanks! ElLuzDelSur (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Legalisation of recreational cannabis use in Germany
Blurb: In Germany, the Bundestag legalises recreational cannabis use. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Germany becomes the third country in Europe to legalise recreational cannabis.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
This follows a nomination back in February after the bill got passed, but now the law has actually come into effect. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Largest country that has legalized cannabis fully. Lukt64 (talk) 01:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's not that big of a deal. A lot of countries have either legalized it outright, or de facto decriminalized it. If they decriminalized recreational drug use more broadly, I'd probably support. But this is neither novel, nor an especially major development in global attitudes towards drug use. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are not much countrys who have legalized it for recreational use. Its subjectiv to think there are a lot of countries who have decriminalized it. See Legality of cannabis. LennBr (talk) 12:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Per AO. With almost one country every 6 months doing this, it ain't news anymore, especially the Western Hemisphere. Could be more notable on the other side of the globe. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Was practically legal before and per Ad Orientem's last sentence. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not that big of a deal, and as @Traumnovelle stated, cannabis was practically legal already. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 06:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Citation needed that it was practically legal in germany. And please don't link to an article about the state of berlin or whatever. It varied wildly from basically zero tolerance to unofficial decriminilization. But it certainly wasn't 'practically legal' on the federal level. Neither was it 'practically legal' in the majority of states. 80.228.131.106 (talk) 12:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Don't tell me that then, tell Traumnovelle. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- It was already legal for medicinal use, consumption wasn't illegal, and police had guidelines to not prosecute for personal amounts unless it was in the public interest - which corresponded to use in public or around minors, which is still illegal under the new law. This law change is more of policy and recommendation being codified in law than any serious and major change. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Consumption of no drug is illegal in germany in itself. Just how the laws work. Not aimed at consumers, allowing them to seek help and whatnot without criminalizing themselves etc. Just a different philosphical aproach. Doesn't mean opiods(as a random example) aren't highly illegal. But someone ODing can seek help without fearing criminal consequences, just as an example. That police nationwide had guidelines to not prosecute is just simply not true. In some states, sure. In others... yeah, not at all. It is a major change in most states. And as a meaningless anecdote, i live in a state which had a more liberal stance towards defacto acceptance, i still could have gotten into major trouble for what i am now legally allowed to do. And it wouldn't have been a misdemeanor but a crime that would have prevented me from getting visas in some countries and the like. Broad real life consequences that now simply vanished. But you lot do whatever. I am just happy to not be a 'criminal' anymore. 85.16.39.169 (talk) 13:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Citation needed that it was practically legal in germany. And please don't link to an article about the state of berlin or whatever. It varied wildly from basically zero tolerance to unofficial decriminilization. But it certainly wasn't 'practically legal' on the federal level. Neither was it 'practically legal' in the majority of states. 80.228.131.106 (talk) 12:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work There are several {{citation needed}} and some parts are still written in a tentative future tense. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral on notability, oppose on quality The article has multiple short and unreferenced sections. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability The most populated country of europe legalizes cannabis possession for recreational use. Not many countries have done that. see Legality of cannabis. --LennBr (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability I've added an altblurb that would reflect this legalization a lot better. Support on notability as this is currently making headlines in European news, but the article needs some work before it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 13:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The most populous country that has legalised recreational cannabis use so far. While it was decriminalised before in certain parts and regions, this didn't really apply to the entire country. And it also being only the third outright legalisation in Europe, as well as it having plenty of news coverage, makes me think this is notable enough to be covered. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 13:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - per above 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:106:C016:D59A:AA77 (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is not a new thing. That this "isn't common in Europe" (debatable) or that Germany has many people (and what of it?) shouldn't be relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support I support this solely based on the fact that Germany's the most powerful European nation. And we've posted gay marriage legalizations in small irrelevant central american countries, why not post about Cannabis legalization in the biggest european one? Kasperquickly (talk) 20:11, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that ITN items shouldn't be supported solely because of the country it's in. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive me for being blunt. But it rings a bit hollow for you, who blindly followed the untrue rationale of someone else, to be lecturing people. If someone states a 'fact' as rationale, at least check for yourself if that is actually true. And i by no means want to call anyone a liar or assume bad faith otherwise. Misunderstandings happen and all of that. But please, if you vote 'per' at least check the claim yourself. 85.16.39.169 (talk) 21:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that ITN items shouldn't be supported solely because of the country it's in. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral leaning toward oppose This is pretty minor news, just one country of 195 legalizing cannabis. Asjhsz (talk) 02:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb on notability per the reasoning of Lukt64 & LennBr. Oppose on quality The quality of the article isn't good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 03:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning support on notability not per the population of Germany (as this would implicitly suggest developments in smaller countries are less notable), but per the rarity of cannabis being legalized. It's not that common. I can understand ITN's increasing reluctance to post marriage equality blurbs these days, opting to only post them when there's something extraordinary about it, e.g. Taiwan being the first country in Asia to do it. The tides have already shifted on that one and it's become par for the course in the West. But I don't think the same can be said about the legal status of cannabis, at least not yet. Per Legality of cannabis, very few countries throughout the world have legalized recreational cannabis, so I don't think we're at the point where we can say this is so commonplace that it doesn't represent any significant shift in legislation. Rather, legislative changes like this are the major turning points that will eventually lead to it being commonplace. I sympathize with the counterargument that in Germany or in other parts of Europe there existed a de facto but not de jure legalization, but I feel this is also a little overstated. Vanilla Wizard 💙 13:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- support blurb on notability, since it's a controversial subject. 3000MAX (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb per above. The Kip 21:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb and, noting improvements since the nom, suggest it’s ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 08:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not that big of a deal as others have mentioned, and the coverage shows it. If you type "Germany news" into google, none of the top hits mention this development at all - articles instead reference football jersey designs and a dispute over elephants between Germany and Botswana. It is not being widely covered as even these stories precisely because cannabis legalization in Europe is nothing new. FlipandFlopped ツ 23:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if you post this, don't use the irrelevant photo of toxic plants it communicates nothing about the subject and doesn't help to hook readers. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 10:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Not the first in Europe and not the most surprising country to do it. Small amounts were defacto legal and consumption was the same so the most significant changes will be to the retailing of product. The article is decent in terms of it's completedness. Ycleike (talk) 12:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Hardly the first European country to legalize and it barely made any headlines, quickly being relegated to 3rd page at this point, being surpassed by Botswana and 20k elephants. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is it made headlines when the Bundestag passed legislation a month ago, but consensus here was to wait until formally legalized on 4/1. Now we can’t post it because it’s not in the headlines anymore, apparently? The Kip 14:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Admin comment – At this point, there is relatively even support and opposition to posting this on notability, with some editors voicing article quality concerns. We'd need a surge of support before this can go anywhere. Schwede66 02:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
March 31
March 31, 2024
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Ongoing: War in Sudan (2023–present)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Lukt64 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I am proposing this as an alternative to the nomination below. Also add timeline parameter per Godel2000. Lukt64 (talk) 17:39, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support though we can't just list the main article, as it doesn't have enough updates. Instead, we should do what we did for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and list the timeline (which has daily updates), looking something like: War in Sudan (timeline). Gödel2200 (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support timeline being added Lukt64 (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support timeline being added since the updates are daily and include frequent events from March 25, 26, 27, and 28 most recently Fileyfood500 (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Near daily updates to the article, and recent events added to the timeline from February and March 2024 Fileyfood500 (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Fileyfood500 Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above, and list the timeline alongside. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Godel2200 (include timeline) FlipandFlopped ツ 20:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Almost daily, huge sections are updated. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support idk why the ever took it down it’s still massive Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above, and include timeline. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are no dates in the article beyond March 21. It only takes 50 edits to go back to March 14. The article must be updated with current events? Stephen 11:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can't we do what we did with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? The Russian invasion of Ukraine article does not list many dates in March 2024, but that is fine as the Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – present) has daily updates. The situation is the same with the War in Sudan (2023-present) article, with the timeline getting near daily updates. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- For the last weeks that just seems to be a minor skirmish ticker, no significant events. Stephen 21:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Some major events from the last few weeks include: RSF claiming capture of El Madina Arab (March 5), SLM-MM announcing it would fight the RSF/joining the conflict (March 24), SAF claiming capture of the Doha neighborhood in the city of Ondurman (March 26). Other days consist of airstrikes, vehicles destroyed, bridges being captured. Fileyfood500 (talk) 03:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly, a lot of claims and very minor back and forth of low level conflict. Stephen 04:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- In this light, I am unclear about what makes the other 4 conflicts shown more significant. I reviewed the timeline from March for the Russia-Ukraine war, and found 3 instances where a village was reported to be captured. I otherwise found many reports of airstrikes and drones being shot down, and reports of single digit casualties. There is no doubt, there are significantly more policy updates and financial announcements, and the arms being used/destroyed are more expensive, however, it's not clear to me that the wealth of the combatants should set the distinction here. Fileyfood500 (talk) 04:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly, a lot of claims and very minor back and forth of low level conflict. Stephen 04:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Some major events from the last few weeks include: RSF claiming capture of El Madina Arab (March 5), SLM-MM announcing it would fight the RSF/joining the conflict (March 24), SAF claiming capture of the Doha neighborhood in the city of Ondurman (March 26). Other days consist of airstrikes, vehicles destroyed, bridges being captured. Fileyfood500 (talk) 03:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- For the last weeks that just seems to be a minor skirmish ticker, no significant events. Stephen 21:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can't we do what we did with the Russian invasion of Ukraine? The Russian invasion of Ukraine article does not list many dates in March 2024, but that is fine as the Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – present) has daily updates. The situation is the same with the War in Sudan (2023-present) article, with the timeline getting near daily updates. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - ITN isn’t an armed conflicts ticker. 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:106:C016:D59A:AA77 (talk) 14:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but the only major things ongoing are armed conflicts. Lukt64 (talk) 15:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Still doesn't make it a criteria. Ongoing is for when there is a continuous stream of blurb-worthy items; To me if we post this we might as well put up every other armed conflict. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but the only major things ongoing are armed conflicts. Lukt64 (talk) 15:30, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is a whole civil war going on in the 15th largest country by area on the planet, so there's not much reason it shouldn't be up in the current event section. Asjhsz (talk) 02:16, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. A very active conflict going on right now in one of the biggest countries in the world. TomMasterRealTALK 03:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support, detailed entry, copiously sourced. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support Up-to-date article receiving regular updates and still very much in the news. Looks like WP:SNOW support here. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Clarifying that I specifically support the timeline proposal mentioned above by Gödel2200. Timeline of the War in Sudan (2023–present) is being updated much more frequently than the War in Sudan (2023–present) article. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- There has been no content added since the article was nominated 5 days ago. This is not sufficient for ongoing. Stephen 10:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Checked the timeline, and there are 3 updates since 5 days ago. Updates from April 1, April 2, and April 3. Fileyfood500 (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Those are edits, but not updates. Updates bring readers new information. Edits like these three (and my nine) just change the way they/we see it. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- The updates to the timeline I see are:
- April 1: First batch of food arrived from the World Food Program
- April 2: Twelve people were killed and 30 injured in a drone attack in Atbara
- April 3: The SAF launched airstrikes on the RSF 16th Infantry division
- April 3 2nd update: Sudanese prosecutors file capital offense charges against the state
- @InedibleHulk, these updates are in the timeline. Godel2000 pointed out that the timeline is where near daily conflict updates are reported, so the proposal under discussion is to have the timeline in parenthesis Fileyfood500 (talk) 01:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- The main article needs updates too, as that timeline is literally a ticker of relatively minor events. Stephen 02:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Can you clarify what the distinction is between the events listed in the Russia-Ukraine timeline and this timeline that makes these events minor and the Russia-Ukraine events major? Both timelines show smaller battles, airstrikes, and dozens of casualties, and shifting battle lines around a handful of villages over the course of the last month. The technologies used in the conflicts are different (drones used heavily in Ukraine).
- From what I see, both events are quite major. I know you've provided a lot of qualifiers, saying the events are minor, not significant, low level, can you be more specific in your arguments? I've provided examples of different events, and am unclear on the basis of your reasoning. Fileyfood500 (talk) 05:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- The main article needs updates too, as that timeline is literally a ticker of relatively minor events. Stephen 02:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Those are edits, but not updates. Updates bring readers new information. Edits like these three (and my nine) just change the way they/we see it. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Checked the timeline, and there are 3 updates since 5 days ago. Updates from April 1, April 2, and April 3. Fileyfood500 (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose ongoing Per Stephen, limited updates for significant continuing events. SpencerT•C 03:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: Masalit massacres
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/ethnic-killings-one-sudan-city-left-up-15000-dead-un-report-2024-01-19/
Credits:
- Nominated by Fileyfood500 (talk · give credit)
- Support Well cited, and an ongoing genocide is absolutely what ITN is for. Bremps... 06:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support a few more cites can't hurt, but looks good enough for ongoing. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, no recent news, not regularly updated, the last 50 edits go back to November last year. Some people need to educate themselves about what is needed for an article in ongoing. Stephen 07:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Per @Stephen. If we were to post this, it should be combined with the War in Sudan ongoing item. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The article does not mention any dates past January 2024, meaning this is not suitable for ongoing. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Ongoing should be for areas of the news that are getting near-daily coverage and updates (like the Ukraine/Russia war or the Gaza strip situation). Simply being a long running engagement doesn't meet the bar. --Masem (t) 13:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- For this reason I’d also take off Myanmar until there are more developments 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:106:C016:D59A:AA77 (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- The Myanmar civil war (2021-present) article is actually getting a lot of updates. See for example the Tenuous ceasefire and continued 2024 campaigns section, which lists many dates in March. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Masalit massacres, Support War in Sudan. Lukt64 (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, the War in Sudan (2023–present) article is getting frequent updates and encompasses this article. Fileyfood500 (talk) 17:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. There was not a single edit for a month prior to the nomination. We should only add those articles which gets updated regularly. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support War in Sudan (2023–present) per Fileyfood500 Staraction (talk | contribs) 17:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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