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Sea Life Brighton, formerly Brighton Aquarium ... that when Brighton Aquarium (entrance pictured) opened, it had no exhibits? ... that a mail-order catalogue offered a "Rocking Ram" toy, designed by Charleen Kinser, for US$1,600 in 1985? ... that the project Called by Name aims to commemorate Poles who were murdered for aiding Jews during World War II? ... that despite a global decline in mangrove forests, Red Sea mangroves have expanded in area since 1972? ... that Voyager 2 has been transmitting data for more than 46 years, making it the oldest active space probe in history? ... that Brittany Luse's podcast The Nod was praised for its exploration of "the diversity and richness of the Black experience"? ... that despite lagging attendance at the 1964 New York World's Fair, its organizer rejected nearly every suggestion to increase attendance? ... that David Marchese recalled accidentally posting a picture of a cat's testicles on Salon.com?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on August 30

• ...that the Lester Apartments in Seattle, originally intended to be the world's largest brothel, were destroyed when a B-50 Superfortress crashed into the building in 1951? -- Jmabel | Talk 22:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (self-nom and more than typically proud of this hook)

• ... that both Christians and Muslims sacrifice sheep during the Feast of Saint George in the Palestinian town of al-Khader near Bethlehem? (self-nom) Al Ameer son (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the churchyard at Stanmer Church contains a rare vertical donkey-wheel, an ancient mechanism for drawing water from the ground? ~ New article; self-nom by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC).

• ... that New York State Route 18A was the longest of the five decommissioned suffixed routes of New York State Route 18?Mitch32^(UP) 21:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Elizabethan soldier and MP Sir Edward Hoby (pictured) of Queenborough Castle also published Protestant theological works, one under the pseudonym "Nick-Groome of the Hobie-Stable Reginoburgi"? - Self-nom by PKM (talk) 20:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC).

• ... that Clarence Saunders developed the first self-service grocery store (pictured) concept into the first fully-automated grocery store concept? new article by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in Tatton Hall, Cheshire, (pictured) are ten full-length portraits of the Cheshire gentlemen who met in 1715 and decided to support King George I rather than James Stuart in the first Jacobite rebellion? Article created from a redirect to Tatton Park self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Peshekee River Bridge was the first bridge designed by the Michigan State Highway Department? -- new article by Doncram, nom by Imzadi1979 (talk) 18:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I suggest combining into double DYK with next, below. doncram (talk) 20:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that U.S. Route 41 in Michigan was the state's first Michigan Heritage Route in 1995? -- new article self-nom by Imzadi1979 (talk) 19:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, i opened the Peshekee River Bridge article but mostly by cut and paste from Imzadi1979's U.S. Route 41 in Michigan. The two DYK's should be in one DYK double nomination, perhaps something like: ... that the 1906 Peshekee River Bridge (pictured), on U.S. Route 41 in Michigan, was the first bridge designed by the Michigan State Highway Department? (please credit to Imzadi1979). doncram (talk) 20:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jerry Shea was the first player to achieve all four scoring methods in a single international rugby match? (new article) self nom by FruitMonkey (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that General Sir Harry Tuzo ordered Operation Motorman to take back control of Irish Republican controlled areas of Northern Ireland? self-nom by Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Australian actress Emilie De Ravin (pictured) was 18 years old when she portrayed Tess Harding on Roswell? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by --Music26/11 13:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

File:WE177 Bomb On Trolley.jpg

An inert WE.177 bomb on its trolley in a museum.

• ... that the WE.177(pictured) was the last air-launched nuclear bomb of the British Armed Forces? Maury (talk) 13:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the "Skin Hunters" is the media nickname for four hospital casualty workers from the Polish city of Łódź, who murdered patients and sold information regarding their deaths to funeral homes? new article, self-nom Malick78 (talk) 11:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that the 2008 Hindi comedy film C Kkompany marks the directorial debut of scriptwriter Sachin Yardi? self-nom, expanded 5x by Mspraveen (talk) 09:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that among the courses taught at the Masonic University was horseshoeing? (self-nom)--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 04:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Sarah Palin, the Governor of Alaska and John McCain's vice-presidential running mate, helped the Wasilla High School basketball team win the Alaska small-school basketball championship in 1982, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds of the game, despite having an ankle stress fracture at the time? (new article by me). Cunard (talk) 05:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

That's a 314-character hook. You'll need to trim at least 114 characters to make it eligible.Cbl62 (talk) 05:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT (with 196 characters): ... that in spite of a stress fracture, U.S. Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin hit a key free throw to help Wasilla High School's basketball team win the Alaska small-school championship in 1982? Cbl62 (talk) 06:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

  This hook seems to lack a NPOV; can you write a more neutral one (and include presumptive in Palin's title)? -- CB (ö) 06:46, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• By the time the hook is used, she'll no longer be presumptive.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 15:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Norwegian comedian Per Inge Torkelsen caused an international stir when as a 15-year old he placed several ancient Chinese coins in a local excavation field? -- new article by User:SteveJothen; Nom by meco (talk) 07:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• I've checked the Norwegian language references and they support the statement in the hook. Length is under 200 characters. __meco (talk) 21:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the resignation of national police chief Hermogenes E. Ebdane, Jr. (pictured) was one of the demands of the Oakwood mutiny? -- new article self-nom by XLerate (talk) 12:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Cyril Tenison White was an important figure in Australian botany, and authored a 42-part series on weeds? « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 29

• ... that architect Ivan Rerberg despised the title of architect, and preferred to sign his work Engineer Rerberg? -- selfnom new NVO (talk) 21:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the cancellation of the Skybolt missile in 1962 led to a major crisis in US-UK relations, which was solved by personal meetings and the signing of what is today known as the Nassau agreement? Maury (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 33-room San Dimas Hotel was built in 1887 in anticipation of a land boom in San Dimas, California, that turned to bust and never had a paying guest? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 05:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Julie Coin (ranked 188th) defeated the #1 woman player Ana Ivanović in the second round of the 2008 US Open? (new article by RyanCook7, nominated by dm (talk) 01:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC))

• ... that, besides books, in 1950 the Seattle Public Library had over 27,000 pictures and 3,500 phonograph records in its circulating collection? - Jmabel | Talk 00:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (self-nom, 5-fold expansion)
  • I know, I know, I'm very borderline on having expanded this 5-fold in the last 5 days. It wasn't exactly tiny to begin with. I've turned a starter article into a good history of the library, drawing on at least three major sources to do so. I've also added a lot of related images. If people decide that's not DYK-able, that's fine. - Jmabel | Talk 00:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that while chartered to the United States Army during World War I, SS Kentuckian's Naval Armed Guard gun crew destroyed a running German torpedo headed for another ship? -- new article self-nom by Bellhalla (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Todd Palin, the First Gentleman of Alaska, is a four time snowmobile champion? Radiomango (talk) 21:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Bolded Todd Palin. —97198 (talk) 00:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that after winning a 2004 Olympic bronze medal, Cuban hammer thrower Yunaika Crawford did not even finish among the top twelve at the 2005 World Championships? -- self-nom by expander Punkmorten (talk) 20:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the periodical Owl and Weasel played a key role in the development of the roleplaying and wargaming hobby industries in the UK? -- 167 chars; "in the UK" can be discarded, if wished, although is more geographically-correct despite the impact being much wider across the English-speaking world.

- Self-nom./new article (and guessing 99.95% of people "do not know" despite tens/hundreds of millions of gamers worldwide :). Please critique/suggest improvements for possible usage, anyhow: I'd rather not name the behemoth of a gaming company (nowadays!) whose first periodical that was in 1975 (i.e. Games Workshop) on the front-page for non-commercial reasons but the publication was a key link in the chain to the modern gaming industry, via. pen & paper gaming and modern wargaming through to computer gaming, later on (Ian Livingstone/Eidos, also, at present). Would make a change to see a *non* computer-gaming/hobby article on the front page, too, IMHO, if possible.

- Please choose from either of the two images should you wish to use those also - both appear OK-ish off-hand at the "standard" front-page width of ~80px.

Many thanks; and for your time, David. Harami2000 (talk) 20:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Both images are fair-use and not eligible for the front page.Cbl62 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Apols.; I hadn't spotted that ruling on images but noted for reference, thank you. Feel free to take the DYK hook (now 167 chars) in its own right without illustration, if that's still good. Harami2000 (talk) 21:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... Fitchburg State College researchers used artificial lights to mimic the bioluminescence of fireflies on Dexter Drumlin?. The phrase "Fitchburg State College" can easily be excluded from this hook to save space. Alternatively "...in Lancaster, Massachusetts" can be added to the hook if my fellow editors are uncomfortable with leaving the location unknown until the article itself is read. I'm fine with leaving the locale unknown but don't feel strongly about it. Thanks. Self nom by Boston (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that swimmer Trischa Zorn of the United States is the most successful Paralympian of all times, with 55 medals of which 41 are gold? - new article self-nom by Aridd (talk) 16:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Interesting, but in order for this to be on the main page you need to fill out the question marks in the medal box. Punkmorten (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Hmm. I've found information on those 1984 medals at the IPC website here. The problem is, that only accounts for six medals. The International Blind Sport Federation says she won ten gold in 1984. She has to have, for it to add up correctly to 55 medals overall. The IPC itself confirms she's won 55 medals, and that figure is also indicated on a number of other websites. So there's a problem. Unfortunately, information on the Paralympics is notoriously difficult to find, and if the IPC is contradicting itself, it's not helping matters... I'm going to go through the IPC's list of US gold medallists, game by game, and see what I find. Aridd (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Well, I can't figure out the contradiction. :( I've sent an e-mail to the US Olympic Committee, asking them whether they can clarify. I'll let you know. Aridd (talk) 22:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Van Riper, a severe stutterer, was a pioneer in the development of speech pathology? -- new article self-nom by Samuel Tan 15:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference all verified.Cbl62 (talk) 20:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the Harris Theater opened, it provided an aspiration for small dance companies such as Luna Negra Dance Theater who quickly achieved reached goal?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• What does "achieved reached goal" mean? Art LaPella (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the Harris Theater opened to serve small performance groups, it provided an aspiration for companies such as Luna Negra Dance Theater who quickly achieved reached goal of performing there?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry, I still don't understand "achieved reached goal". How about "achieved their goal" or "reached their goal"? Art LaPella (talk) 06:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the Harris Theater opened to serve small performance groups, it provided an aspiration for companies such as Luna Negra Dance Theater who quickly achieved its goal of performing there?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Drummond Nature Reserve named after botanist James Drummond has 439 species of vascular plants? self nom by --Gnangarra 13:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

No inline citations. —97198 (talk) 13:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

hook now cited inline. Gnangarra 14:24, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Could some of the redlinks be filled out (i.e. new articles created) before this hits the main page? Punkmorten (talk) 20:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Linked a couple of species to genus level articles, will work on creating articles for those that arent already though reluctant to create stubs just to remove red links. Gnangarra 11:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that coach builder Jim Frecklington had to mortgage his house to pay for the estimated £ 620, 000 building costs of the State Coach Britannia? --self nom by --Cameron* 13:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that the book Help at Any Cost triggered hearings by the United States House Committee on Education and Labor into behavior modification techniques used by the tough love teen industry? -- self-nom by Cirt (talk) 06:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that first tour of the touring company of Chicago's Black Ensemble Theater Company included a four-week run at the Apollo Theater?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Gaetano Donizetti

• ... that a riot erupted at the opening night of Adelia, an opera by Gaetano Donizetti (pictured), because an unscrupulous promoter sold too many tickets? self nom, five fold expansionNrswanson (talk) 03:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggest: Commons:Image:Gaetano Donizetti 1.jpg (right). --74.13.127.48 (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Nice writing, and this is very interesting. (Hook verified.) « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, what a charming thing's a battle!

• ... that the 1770 burletta The Recruiting Serjeant has a sergeant cheerily describing the sight of "Heads, and limbs, and bullets flying" during battle (song, right) to a potential army recruit?

Nominated and created by Shoemaker's Holiday. You may want to tweak how the audio file is linked. It could be inline instead (I'd prefer it wasn't), but, hey, you have to admit a sound is a very relevant illustration for a musical entertainment. -- Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

"musical" seems rather anachronistic for an 18th century piece. I believe ballad opera is the most accurate description of its genre. David Underdown (talk) 08:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I have some sources calling it a "burletta". That seems a better term for something with as little plot as it has. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that despite being convicted for the joint-murder of at least 1,000 prisoners at Auschwitz, former SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk earned the nickname "Papa Kaduk" among patients at the hospital he worked at after the war? Nomination and new article by WilliamH (talk) 12:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC).

Hook is 223 characters long - shorten to under 200. —97198 (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Amended to 199 characters: ... that despite jointly murdering at least 1,000 inmates at Auschwitz, former SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk earned the nickname "Papa Kaduk" among patients at the hospital he worked at after the war? WilliamH (talk) 16:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Appreciative that the citations of these points are in German, I'll pluck them out for convenience:

• ...am 19. August 1965 vom Schwurgericht des Landgerichts Frankfurt wegen ... des gemeinschaftlichen Mordes in mindestens tausend Fällen
• ...und nach dem Krieg von seinen Patienten "Papa Kaduk" genannter Krankenpfleger in West-Berlin WilliamH (talk) 19:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that upon his death, Bobby R. Himes, a college professor and political activist from Kentucky, was eulogized on the floor of the United States Senate by his friend, Republican Leader Mitch McConnell?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Fred L. Schiele, who managed Edwin Edwards' Concordia Parish gubernatorial campaign in 1971–1972, was appointed by Edwards in 1973 as the parish sheriff to succeed the scandal-plagued Noah W. Cross?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the historian Willard Hughes Rollings penned a study of the Osage Nation, partly entitled Unaffected by the Gospel, which shows the difficulties that Christian missionaries had in seeking converts among the tribe?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that about 70 Jewish fighters held off an assault by an entire Syrian infantry brigade and several armored battalions in the Battle of Degania on May 20, 1948? (see map) -- new self-nom by Ynhockey ^(Talk) 16:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 28

• ... that the Greek Orthodox Monastery of Temptation in Jericho is built around the cave where Jesus spent forty days and forty nights fasting and meditating while being tempted by Satan? (self-nom) --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first passenger elevator in an American hotel was installed in 1859, in the Fifth Avenue Hotel facing Madison Square, New York City?--Wetman (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Henry Taylor

• ... that swimmer Henry Taylor held the record of most gold medals won by a Briton at a single Olympic Games, until Chris Hoy equalled the record of three golds in 2008? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Nev1 (talk) 00:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Henry Taylor

• ALT:... that, until Chris Hoy tied him in 2008, swimmer Henry Taylor (pictured) was the first and only Briton to have won as many as three gold medals at a single Olympic Games since 1908? (How can we not use such a cool picture?) --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Since the expanded article is on Henry Taylor, I think it makes sense to mention him first, plus the alt hook gives the impression that there were Britons before Taylor who had won 3 golds. (New image has been added to first hook). Nev1 (talk) 13:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I meant to say "first and only" but forgot. Now added to the ALT. BTW, I like the first hook's pic better. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I still think Taylor should be mentioned first, but I suppose it's not too important either way. Thanks for your help, because of you I scrutinised the hook I wrote and altered it a bit. And you're right that a picture should really be present. Nev1 (talk) 15:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm not picky with the order. I just thought the sentence would read better. Anyways,...

• ... that in 1908, swimmer Henry Taylor (pictured) became the first Briton to win as many as three gold medals at a single Olympic Games, and the only one till Chris Hoy equalled his mark in 2008? (We can drop off the part about Hoy if the hook is too long... or replace that with "and held the record for a century?") --74.14.20.209 (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Welsh international rugby union captain Ken Jones was also an Olympic, European and Commonwealth winning athletics medalist? (x5 expansion, self nom) FruitMonkey (talk) 20:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Carnegie

• ... that Andrew Carnegie (pictured) founded the Simplified Spelling Board in 1906, with the aim of making English the world language of the future by addressing its difficult spelling? -- new article by Alansohn (talk) 20:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggest: Commons:Image:Andrew Carnegie, three-quarter length portrait, seated, facing slightly left, 1913.jpg (right). --74.13.127.48 (talk) 12:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in spite of the fact that development of the Vickers V-1000 jet airliner was canceled in 1955, its performance was so admired that the Boeing 707 and Douglas DC-8 both had to be re-designed at considerable expense to compete with its six-abreast seating?

• Who nominated this one? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• Maury Markowitz Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that 19th-century American actor and playwright Steele MacKaye (pictured) invented a variety of theatrical devices, including folding theatre seats? (self nom, expansion) María (habla conmigo) 16:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the conspirators for the 1810 Argentine Independence movement's May Revolution had their secret gatherings at Hipólito Vieytes′s soap factory in Buenos Aires? -- (self-nomination) by Alexf⁴² 15:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Yan general Li Huaixian, at Yan's end, turned against its emperor Shi Chaoyi and, after forcing Shi Chaoyi to commit suicide, cut off Shi Chaoyi's head to present to Emperor Daizong of Tang? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 04:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• Westerners will wonder if Yan was a leader, a tribe, or what. So I suggest "... that the state of Yan ended when its general Li Huaixian turned against ... " Art LaPella (talk) 05:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that blacklisted U.S. film director John Berry worked without screen credit on the 1951 Laurel and Hardy film Atoll K? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

New Guinea Singing Dog

• ... that non-dog dogs are accepted in the Sighthound & Pariah Group as purebred dogs by a major kennel club? The New Guinea Singing Dog is Canis lupus dingo not Canis lupus familiaris like regular dogs, but can be taken to a dog show anyway.--article expanded by Hafwyn (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC) --(self-nomination) by--Hafwyn (talk) 15:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC) (hope I did that right)

• ... that the forking lemma is a lemma in cryptography first used by David Pointcheval and Jacques Stern to prove the security of a digital signature scheme in the random oracle model? (self-nom) Mangojuice^talk 17:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the forking lemma is a lemma in cryptography first used to prove the security of a digital signature scheme in the random oracle model? (still self-nom, shorter hook) Mangojuice^talk 19:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the town of Bezdonys was the site of one of the most daring and successful train robberies in history? --article by User:Halibutt, nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the village of Strezimirovci has been bisected by the Serbian–Bulgarian border since 1919? Self-nom, Todor→Bozhinov 22:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Pearson was Mentioned in Despatches 10 times for actions during the Anglo-Zulu War? Self-nom. Woody (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• …that Czesława Kwoka, a Polish Catholic child victim of the Holocaust, was the subject of a 2007 award-winning mixed-media presentation? -- (A 5x expansion; a joint collaboration of NYScholar and Ecoleetage). Nominated by Ecoleetage (talk) 13:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I put the pre-expansion character-count at 560, and the expanded character-count at 2806 (just scraping past an exact fivefold expansion by 6 characters!) but, excluding the block quote per unwritten rule A2, we only get 1922 characters, a threefold (plus a bit) expansion. —97198 (talk) 13:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for second opinion using the actual rules, please The "unwritten rules," from what I can gather, are not part of the official rules -- they appear to belong to some user and are not official Wikipedia policy. I would appreciate that this entry be judged based solely on what is official policy. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• In this case I think it would be better to stick with the official rules as opposed to the unwritten ones. The article was initially unreferenced and of low quality and is now very well sourced and well written, an effort which should be taken into account. The fact that a photograph was also added should be considered in the expansion account. I would, however, encourage Ecoleetage to further expand the article's prose over the next few days if at all possible.Nrswanson (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Nrswanson! :-) Ecoleetage (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Five-fold expansion to 2,850 characters with no blockquotes. Ready to go. Article reduced in size of readable prose recently down to 1,832 chars, and 2,147 chars (respecively); with unnecessary blockquote reinstated via edit war. Not a 5x expansion anymore. Article expanded again to 3,028 chars and 3,567 chars (of readable prose) respectively. I would only hope the process wasn't as stressful as this. --Poeticbent talk 18:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• To clarify: There is no policy. We have vague rules, we have customs/habits/precedents for filling in the blank spots, including A2, and we have my "Unwritten" rules to put the customs/habits/precedents into writing. I now count 2525/561=4.5x expansion, although I don't object to making an exception. Art LaPella (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

The article has been copy edited and now stands at 2812. Attempts to copy edit the article's length to a significantly shorter character count in order to put the article out of contention after it was affirmed are inherently unfair to the validity of this process. I would ask that the Nrswanson and Art LaPella affirmation be recognised and the matter be considered closed. Thank you. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I now count 3444 characters for 6.1x expansion. Art LaPella (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when "Queeney" Thrale, child prodigy and friend of Dr Johnson, married Admiral Lord Keith, two future kings stood sponsor to their daughter at her christening? Self-nom. Karenjc 18:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• 262 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 18:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks - amended accordingly. Karenjc 18:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 27

• ... that fortuneteller Madam Marie was known from a line in Bruce Springsteen's 4th of July, Asbury Park (Sandy) "Did you hear the cops finally busted Madam Marie", but was never arrested in her career? -- new article by User:Scanlan, nom by Alansohn (talk) 06:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lexie Fyfe became a professional wrestler while working in the billing department of a clinical laboratory firm at the invitation of a co-worker? -- newa rticle by User:Victoria93, nom by Alansohn (talk) 05:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the largest sheet of mica ever mined in the world came from Denholm, Quebec, Canada? -- P199 (talk) 16:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and date ok. Currently 1,800 characters, not including infobox and the list in the demographics section. Source material in French. Perhaps a French-speaker can check the reference.Cbl62 (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Reference, in French, mentions the mica ("la plus grande feuille de mica jamais extraite au monde"). doncram (talk) 20:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1995 drama film Keïta! l'Héritage du griot is a retelling of the first third of Sundjata Keita's 13th century epic, Sundjata? New article by --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 13:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. Off-line citation accepted on good faith. Currently 2,380 characters, including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 14:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Mandume Ya Ndemufayo resisted three different European states before his death in 1917?-- self nom.Thomas.macmillan (talk) 05:15, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

: Length OK at more than 2,500 characters, but the article does not support the hook. It refers to resistance to Portuguese and South African forces, but not "three different European states." An interesting hook could be developed with some work. Any hook should probably identify him as the last king of the Kwanyama people in Angola and Namibia. Cbl62 (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

It mentions the expelling of German missionaries under the Christianity section. I will work on a different hook.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 03:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Atrium 2000, the $11.2 million primary campus of City College, located in Fort Lauderdale

Atrium 2000, the $11.2 million primary campus of City College, located in Fort Lauderdale

• ... that City College, formed as a branch of Draughons Junior College in 1984 before becoming a standalone school in 1989, paid $11.2 million to acquire its current Fort Lauderdale campus? -- new article self-nom by -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Philadelphia Phillies prospect Andrew Carpenter pitched a perfect game against the Fort Myers Miracle in 2007? - self nom by KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Major League Baseball pitcher Frank Barnes scored three runs despite only having one hit in ten career at bats and having no walks, no hit by pitches and one caught stealing?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Remuh Synagogue

• ... that among the ninety historic Synagogues of Kraków, Poland, active before World War II, only the Remuh Synagogue (pictured) still serves as a Jewish house of prayer? -- New article, self-nom by Poeticbent talk 23:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Yang Jia, a Chinese man currently on trial for stabbing six policemen to death, is being hailed as a hero on Chinese blogs and internet forums? – Self-nom, a bit newsy but nonetheless interesting, by  Sandstein  21:24, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference all verified. Currently 2,500 characters including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Question: Is it appropriate to have an ongoing courtcase on the main page? Do we need to say "allegedly" since the case is ongoing and what happened has not been proven in court? Maybe we should mention where this case is heard. Can we start a blog and hail anyone as a hero? --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

(a) Why not? (b) No objection to that, but for me, "on trial for" is equivalent to "allegedly". (c) It's mentioned in the article. (d) Yes, anyone can do this, but in his case, he's notable because multiple reliable sources have reported on him being hailed as a hero by very many people (in authoritarian China, no less).  Sandstein  16:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Alice Arden and her son Russ Hodge are the only mother-son Olympians in American history? -- If someone starts a decent article on Russ Hodge, this can be a 2x DYK hook... not sure if I'll have the time... new article self-nom by Cheers, CP 21:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference all verified as to the Arden hook. Currently 3,080 characters including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 23:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Wanna link to United States at the Olympics? Pretty sure you weren't referring to the Americas. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

*Blinks* I thought I had it linked, but I guess not. Fixed. Cheers, CP 16:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Rob Stewart decided to make the movie Sharkwater when the public did not respond to his warnings that illegal longline fishing in the Galapagos Islands was killing the sharks? New article, self-nom. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 19:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783 was a primary reason why the capital of the United States was relocated to Washington, D.C.? -- new article (self-nom) by epicAdam (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The citation at fn. 5 (cited as the source) appears to contradict the hook. It states: "The factor which probably most doomed Philadelphians' hopes of keeping the capital was the Yellow Fever epidemic of 1793." The url at fn. 4 does not link to any text to support the hook either. Cbl62 (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how much clearer it could be. Ref 4, the Crew book, clearly states "...Congress then sitting in Philadelphia was threatened by a mob of dissatisfied soldiers. This event took place in June, 1783, and was the cause of great excitement and controversy. Its importance in the history of the country is great, for from it may be dated the first decided intimation of a fixed and permanent seat of government; in other words, the necessity of a National Capital City, under the sole and exclusive control of the Congress, and independent of all State government and influence."

Ref 5 also says "The protest had been more annoying than threatening, but it made the point that Congress needed to be able to protect itself, and should not have to rely on the government of a host city or state. The idea took hold of placing the national capital in a district separate from any state, to be controlled by the Federal government." The information about the epidemic is also true; it probably did drown any hopes of Philadelphia keeping the capital. That said, the Constitution had been ratified and the Residence Act of 1790 that established the District had already passed by 1793. The fact that Philadelphia hoped to change Congress' mind in no way contradicts that fact that it was the failure of the state government in dealing with the mutiny that lead to the creation of a federal district. I would ask that this nomination undergo a second, more careful, review. -epicAdam (talk) 23:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm new to reviewing on the DYK page, and welcome a second review by someone more experienced, but since the selection of Washington occurred a decade after the mutiny, I would suggest the following alt hook to be more precise. I do think it's an interesting DYK hook and, if so modified, think it would be fine.Cbl62 (talk) 23:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT ... that the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783 was a primary reason for the creation of a separate federal district to serve as the capital of the United States?

After reading over it again, I like the way it is phrased by Cbl62 above. -epicAdam (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I had it as something like that originally but thought it was too long/convoluted. The following is more succinct, and since the federal district would have been created (regardless of its name or location), it still fits. 10 years really isn't so long a time... that's how long it took to make the new Constitution, and a federal district had been discussed by Congress in the interim. I think it's far more interesting that this one (relatively minor) event was the catalyst for the creation of an entire city. If not, the above suggestion still definitely works:

• ... that the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783 was a primary reason for the creation of the District of Columbia? -epicAdam (talk) 23:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and date OK now for the alt hook.Cbl62 (talk) 17:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Eduard Kaunitz, an Austrian military officer and amateur botanist, was the founder of the first sapper corps in the Argentine Army in 1813? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Alexf⁴² 19:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The article lacks an in-line citation for the hook. It is also states that it is based on a pre-existing article from Spanish wikipedia. And the one external link is in German, which I cannot read. Currently 3,100 characters with spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 23:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Looking for refs. Will try to make it before deadline if possible. Thx. -- Alexf⁴² 15:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that newspaper publisher Katherine Graham's difficulties with her company's ownership of the Trenton Times led her to call it her "Vietnam"? -- new article by Alansohn (talk) 17:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Date, length and reference all verified, though some clarification on "difficulties" could help the hook. Currently 2,500 charactes, with spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 23:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that mild stuttering is likely to be eliminated completely when stuttering therapy is initiated before four years of age? -- new article self-nom by Samuel Tan 16:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Yalo, a Palestinian Arab village depopulated during the 1967 war, was identified by Edward Robinson as the site of the Canaanite-era city of Aijalon? (self-nom) Tiamut^talk 12:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and date verified. However as a person not aware of Aijalon, the hook doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe additional words to explain what Aijalon is would help. Mspraveen (talk) 15:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I added mention of Aijalon being a Canaanite era city. I also replaced the link to Aijalon with one to Ajalon since it has more accurate information. As an aside, those two articles should definitely be merged, since they discuss the same place. Tiamut^talk 17:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Oman has a low crime rate compared to industrialized countries? (new article, self-nom) Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference verified. Mspraveen (talk) 15:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Israeli-based Abergil Crime Family is considered by The state Department as one of world’s top 40 drug importers to US?

• "The state Department" sounds too much like the U.S. State Department, and besides states have hundreds of departments, some of which enforce laws and some don't. Some alternatives: "police", "some police", "an L.A. police unit", or "Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department". Art LaPella (talk) 03:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

How about this one: *... that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department considers the Israeli-based Abergil Crime Family as one of world’s top 40 drug importers to the US?

or

• ... that the Abergil Crime Family is facing charges of money laundering, murder and drug trafficking, both in Israel and the US? (Self nom - created) Fatal!ty ^(T☠LK) 11:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that 16th Century noblewoman Marguerite de La Rocque was marooned on an island in the Gulf of St Lawrence by her relative, the privateer de Roberval, as punishment for an affair? --new article, self nom, Gwinva (talk) 02:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Ozette Indian Village Archeological Site contained over 55,000 artifacts from a Makah village inundated by a mudslide? -- Murderbike (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. Off-line citation accepted on good faith. Currently about 1,900 characters, including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 15:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that despite being the fifth fastest European of all times in the 100 metres, Ronald Pognon failed to reach the semifinals in his event at the 2008 Olympic Games? -- expanded by AmandaPirato and Punkmorten (talk), nom by the latter 07:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the novel The Last Coyote by Michael Connelly won the 1996 Dilys Award given by the Independent Mystery Booksellers Association? -- 5X+ expansion, self-nom by Captain-tucker (talk) 09:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Five-fold expansion, length, date and reference all verified. Expanded from 550 characters to 8,800 characters, spaces included. Cbl62 (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the slimy spike-cap Gomphidius glutinosus is edible and useful for soups and stews once the layer of slime is removed? ...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. Off-line citation to mushroom handbook accepted on good faith. Currently about 3,400 characters, including spaces. Cbl62 (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Morgan W. Walker, Sr., a businessman from Alexandria, Louisiana, overcame the amputation of a leg to establish successful dairy and bus companies, the latter a forerunner to Continental Trailways?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Morgan W. Walker, Jr., who in 1970 pioneered the mass production of catfish in Central Louisiana, converted his 1,100-acre cattle ranch in Alexandria into catfish ponds?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The cited source (a local newspaper obituary) simply says that he converted his 1,100 acre cattle ranch into catfish ponds in which he raised and sold catfish for consumption, "becoming one of Louisiana's first entries into the industry." Not sure that really supports the hook about him having "pioneered the mass production of catfish." Cbl62 (talk) 23:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the American lexicographer Robert L. Chapman added the words ecosystem and yuppie to Roget's Thesaurus? (self-nom) Zagalejo^^^ 20:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hall of Fame bowler Patty Costello did not begin bowling until she was sixteen? (self-nom) Zagalejo^^^ 02:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sixteen is not really that late. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 12:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Link needed for bowling - I presume she did not play cricket. Johnbod (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

alt: ... that professional bowler Patty Costello won seven events in 1976, setting a women's bowling record for most titles earned in a year? Zagalejo^^^ 18:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... the Mangrove monitor possesses salt-excreting nasal glands, which enabled the monitors to reach new islands and aided in its dispersal across thousands of miles throughout the South Pacific?-- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:31, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1883, the famous Mexican soprano, Ángela Peralta, sang Donizetti's opera Maria di Rohan in a theatre improvised from a disused sand pit in La Paz, Baja California? -- article created on 27 August 2008 by User:Dector and expanded 5 fold on 29 August by User:Voceditenore. Nominated by Voceditenore (talk) 16:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that McKenzie-Willamette Medical Center in Springfield, Oregon, was founded due to occasional flooding that cut off access to the only area hospital? (article by Bobert G (talk · contribs)) Aboutmovies (talk) 20:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. I first found this in the "Augsut 26th" section, but it was created on the 27th, not the 26th. Moved from the August 26 section to here. -- RyRy (talk) 08:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 26

• ... that in 1881 in the village of Bakhshali in northern Pakistan an ancient manuscript was discovered that was written on birch bark? This manuscript is the oldest surviving example of Indian mathematics. - new article self nom by Pahari Sahib 19:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

  This article appears fine, but I can't find a source for the claim that the Bakhshali manuscript "is the oldest surviving example of Indian mathematics". If you remove that, then it is fine. « D. Trebbien (talk) 22:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that California Gold Rush-era bandit and highwayman Jack Powers, after being run out of several cities by vigilantes, was murdered in Mexico and his body fed to a pen of starving hogs? -- new article by Antandrus (talk) 00:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hurricane Olivia of 1967 is only one of two major hurricanes to make landfall on the eastern side the of the Baja Peninsula of Mexico? --Elena85 | Talk to Me | 1000 edits!!!' 19:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• No qualifying article. If 1967 Pacific hurricane season was intended, please see "Unwritten" rule A3. Art LaPella (talk) 03:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Harold Lloyd Estate (Harold Lloyd pictured), called "the most impressive movie star's estate ever created," included a golf course, 900-foot canoe stream, and 100-foot waterfall? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 16:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Greek-speaking cities of the Decapolis continued to measure dates using the Pompeian era after the Muslim conquest of Syria? -- New article, self nom by Fishal (talk) 11:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• I've got this at just over 1,300 characters, a little short. —97198 (talk) 06:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ranch to Market Road 337 in the Texas Hill Country has been called one of the most beautiful drives in Texas? New article, self nom. --NetherlandishYankee (talk) 02:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Actual prose is only about 775 characters. —97198 (talk) 07:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that restoration is underway for the round, limestone Bell Farm barn built in 1882 on a large 60,000 acre corporate farm which was the first tourist attraction of the North West Territories? -- new article by SriMesh | talk 02:00, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lonnie Wright played football for two seasons for the Denver Broncos and switched to playing basketball for the Denver Rockets just weeks after the 1967 football season ended? -- new article by Alansohn (talk) 01:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The17, a choir founded by former pop star Bill Drummond, never records its music, or performs for audiences? Self-nominated by Totnesmartin (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the final episode of the Japanese anime School Days was preempted by Television Kanagawa and other television networks as a result of a murder that had taken place at Kyoto the day prior? Article created (though it's actually an article split) and self-nom -- クラウド６６８ 21:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the Disley Tunnel was constructed, the navvies used 24 simultaneous working faces? -- Selfnom expansion: SilkTork *^YES! 21:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the 15-year-old Jordon Mutch (pictured) was first selected to play for Birmingham City F.C., he had to be withdrawn only hours before the match because of child protection regulations? new article and self-nom by Struway2 (talk) 21:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Rob Johnson was one of four of The Star-Ledger's top 10 prep soccer players of the 1990s to play professionally for the hometown MetroStars, joining Claudio Reyna, Peter Villegas and Billy Walsh? -- new article by Alansohn (talk) 18:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the architect of the Communal House of the Textile Institute, a student dormitory, proposed centralized sedation of students at night? -- Selfnom, new NVO (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Add "in Moscow", and ideally work in a date. Johnbod (talk) 20:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that crime in the United Arab Emirates involves trafficking of young boys who are used as camel jockeys?

or,

• ... that incidents of petty crime like pickpocketing and bag snatching is low in the United Arab Emirates?

• I really hate hooks that link like that i.e. "low in the UAE" as it barely hints at the actual title of the article and just looks awkward. towards illegal drug use is terrible as well. - SpockMonkey (talk) 16:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• Ok, I am giving the full name United Arab Emirates. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

or,

• ... that the United Arab Emirates has a zero tolerance policy towards illegal drug use? (new article, self-nom) Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• My objection wasn't the acronym! It's to linking a random-ish phrase that is not similar to the article title. Sorry if I seem to be biting you...I am trying to express an opinion about this kind of links in general. SpockMonkey (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• The first hook directly links to the title i.e. Crime in the United Arab Emirates. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not talking about what it links to. I am talking about what it reads as. SpockMonkey (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• It's called Easter Eggs, and it's discouraged on Wikipedia: see WP:EGG. Lampman (talk) 12:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• It may be for the later hooks, not for the first hooks. The first hook links the title of the article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 14:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Rose Museum's collection includes the trowel that was used to lay the cornerstone of Carnegie Hall?

• (alt) *... the Rose Museum's collection includes a program from the Vienna Philharmonic's debut concert on March 28, 1842? both me, new article created today, self nom TravellingCari 16:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Malcolm Fraser, a severe stutterer from an early age, founded the Stuttering Foundation of America and gave it most of its US$10 million endowment? -- new article self-nom by Samuel Tan 16:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Springfield Park in north London remained a private estate until 1902 when it was bought by local businessmen and opened to the public in 1905? (new article -self nom)Tony Corsini (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Focometer – an instrument used for measuring focal lengths – was created in order to provide rural or economically disadvantaged populations the ability to measure spherical refractive errors? (self nom - created)Fatal!ty ^(T☠LK) 07:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that prominent Russian authors such as Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol and Dostoevsky all made the main characters of their books to cross the Kokushkin Bridge? -- new article, self nom by Wikiolap (talk) 05:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • (alternative) ... that the K. Bridge mentioned in the opening scene of Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment is the Kokushkin Bridge in Saint Petersburg? -- new article, self nom by Wikiolap (talk) 05:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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• ... that Italian philosopher and semiologist Paolo Virno (pictured) was jailed after being suspected of belonging to The Red Brigades? (Self Nom - created) Fatal!ty (talk) 03:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm sure I don't want to know why you deleted my criticism, but I reiterate, it seems like a major BLP concern to take a living person and glorify an accusation which turned out to be untrue, without even refuting it. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 07:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
    • CommentThis article doesn't have in-line citations, so the hook is uncited, making it unsuitable for DYK selection. BLP is also major concern. M0RD00R (talk) 07:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Response I accidentally deleted your original criticism, through edit conflict. As for citations, i provided all the necessary references under the "Further Reading" and "external Links" sub-sections. --Fatal!ty ^(T☠LK) 08:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
        • DYK selection rules are very strict "The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." So this really must be fixed to have any chance for selection.M0RD00R (talk) 08:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
          • The rules also say: "Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." So I guess it's a matter of how you define "unduly", but this seems like a bad choice of a hook to me. Lampman (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that members of the Chinese Hand Laundry Alliance faced surveillance, interrogation, and harassment by the FBI? - self nom by Boston (talk) 03:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd say the hook must be more specific. It must be explained why they were persecuted, maybe a connection with McCarthyism should be added. M0RD00R (talk) 10:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree %100. These aren't "factoids" or stand-alone bits of trvia. They are hooks. - SpockMonkey (talk) 14:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Right. A hook, indeed, but a weak one. So many bad guys get the same treatment from the FBI. All this "hook" is saying is that the members of the Chinese Hand Laundry Alliance were considered bad guys worth keeping an eye on. Nothing more. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm fond of hooks that are based on seemingly incongruous situations that invite further inquiry. From my perspective, that the FBI considered laundrymen bad guys falls into this category. I even think the very phrase "Chinese Hand Laundry Alliance" invites inquiry; when I saw it red linked elsewhere I immediately determined to write the article. - Boston (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bosnia and Herzegovina Defence Minister Selmo Cikotić (pictured) was ejected from the Command and General Staff College due to unconfirmed accusations? -- new article self-nom by XLerate (talk) 14:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

"Ejected"? You mean "expelled"? --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:02, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

From dictionary.reference.com: "v. tr. 1.To throw out forcefully; expel." How is your synonym better? XLerate (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

From the same source: note the gray rectangle distinguishing shades of meaning. Although that source doesn't really explain this, I believe the word "eject" has a more physical connotation than the word "expel", which emphasizes dissociation more than physical movement. As evidence, "ejected from college" (a condensed form of the hook) gets 17 Google hits but "expelled from college" gets 32,700 Google hits. Art LaPella (talk) 05:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The NYT ref uses expelled also, which I tried to avoid copying word for word. I was also trying to use interesting phrasing, per the Google hits "expelled from college" is bordering on a cliché. I don't object to the article & hook being changed. XLerate (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 25

• ... that the Cobblestone Farmhouse at 1229 Birdsey Road was built with walls of field cobbles and limestone quoins in a Greek Revival style? created and nom wording by User:Lvklock, credit to Lvklock. doncram (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook, and refs. confirmed, although the article should have technically been placed under articles created on August 26 and not August 25.Nrswanson (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Getty Kouros

• ... that the disputed authenticity of the Getty kouros (pictured) has led the J. Paul Getty Museum to label the sculpture "6th century Greek or modern forgery."? self nom Twospoonfuls (ειπέ) 20:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, and refs verified. Offline sources accepted in good faith. Although I don't think its required it would be good to add the ISBN numbers for the offline sources.Nrswanson (talk) 22:16, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Sir Ian Freeland was General Officer Commanding Northern Ireland when the British Army was drawn into the beginning of the Troubles? -- new stub by User:Setanta747 expanded and self-nominated by David Underdown (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that according to People v. Beardsley, it is not against the law for a man to fail to help his drinking partner, a woman who is not his wife, when she is dying of an overdose? (self nom) —Mattisse (Talk) 19:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Walter G. Alexander was the first African American to serve in the New Jersey General Assembly? (article by Offenbach (talk · contribs), nom. by Black Falcon (talk · contribs)) 18:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Martha Wright twice took over Broadway roles from Mary Martin, namely the role of Nellie Forbush in South Pacific, which she played for 1,047 performances from 1951 to 1954, and in 1960 the role of Maria in The Sound of Music? New article, self-nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT: ... that in 1951 Martha Wright took over the role of Nellie Forbush in South Pacific on Broadway, playing the role for 1,047 performances until it closed in 1954? New article, self-nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Schmuck & Snot Dudley were among the first tag teams to join Bobby Rogers' Future of Wrestling promotion in 1998? New article, self-nom. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 06:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that thousands of Flat Daddies, life-size photo cutouts of American soldiers deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan, have been created to help families cope with their deployment? five-fold expansion by Alansohn (talk) 03:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• Was in an AfD debate but passed, created by User:Ofol who should also be credited. - Boston (talk) 21:20, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that until his appointment as Demonstrator in Practical Anatomy at Queen's College, Birmingham, Balthazar Foster had given up hopes of a medical career, and had even applied for a naval commission? (New article, self-nom, easily over the word count and a 198 char (including spaces) DYK. Ironholds 02:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Art Deco Sunset Tower (pictured) has been home to Howard Hughes, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, and Bugsy Siegel, who was asked to leave after being charged with running a bookie operation at his apartment? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I'd begin that "... that West Hollywood, California's Art Deco Sunset Tower..." - Jmabel | Talk 16:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, "West Hollywood" is not "California's Art Deco Sunset Tower".... I'd avoid that confusing comma there and say "... that the Art Deco Sunset Tower (pictured) in West Hollywood, California has been ....?" This hook needs to exceed 200 characters to be fun. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Eldridge Recasner was the first three-time captain of the Washington Huskies' basketball team?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • lol, how can I politely respond "Nope, neither knew nor cared"? I'm not trying to be biased against sports, but is it really an interesting hook likely to draw in readers who aren't fans of the basketball team itself? It'd be like saying "Did you know Eric Lindros was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs?" -- it isn't really going to elicit a "haha, wow...that's kinda neat" response. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 02:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

"[DYK:IDONTLIKEIT]"? "[DYK:ITSCRUFT]"? Do you have a better hook in mind? Or do you have a problem with the article? Or even the subject? --74.14.21.228 (talk) 04:45, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying the article shouldn't exist, it's a fine article. But not every article that exists belongs on DYK. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 07:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'll attempt to defuse what is brewing into a potential conflict here. Sherurcij I believe what you should have said is "can you suggest a hook that would be of more interest to non-sports fans?" Any article that meets both general Wikipedia guidelines (i.e. notability, non-POV, etc.) and the DYK-specific guidelines does deserve a chance at being featured in DYK. As long as they meet these guidelines, I think the only reason they should get passed over is if an editor has submitted too many similar articles in too short a time (i.e. episodes of a TV show, politicians of a given locality, etc.) and I think editors should show some self restraint and common sense by keeping them in their sandboxes and portioning them out rather than flooding DYK with 7 similar subjects in one week. - SpockMonkey (talk) 16:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• • • Alt hook... that Eldridge Recasner spent eight seasons in the National Basketball Association (NBA) even though he was never drafted in the NBA draft?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Pls specify era. The NBA did not have an annual draft in its early history. All players in the early days were not drafted just because there were no drafts. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the NBA proper has held a draft in every year of its existence. (By "NBA proper", I'm referring to the league that resulted from the NBL/BAA merger.) Zagalejo^^^ 05:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Right... Thanks for pointing this out, Zagalejo. I got may basketball and hockey history mixed up. Sorry about that. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• • • • Alt hook2 ... that the only season that Eldridge Recasner ranked in the top ten in the National Basketball Association for three point shot field goal percentage was not his best season?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that biochemist Harvey Itano, who worked with Linus Pauling to determine the molecular basis of sickle cell disease, was the first Japanese American admitted to the National Academy of Sciences? (self-nom) --ragesoss (talk) 22:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Suggest: "find" -> "determine" or "establish". --74.14.21.228 (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; I've changed it to "determine". I had originally used that word, but I changed it to "find" while trying to make sure it was under 200 characters, but it looks like I shrank it enough elsewhere to go back.--ragesoss (talk) 04:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Taisto Mäki, one of the so-called Flying Finns, was the first man to run 10,000 metres in under half an hour? -- new article self-nom by Rje (talk) 19:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. Interesting hook. :) -- RyRy (talk) 21:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that American cargo ship SS Iowan was late delivering Christmas toys to Los Angeles, California, because of a massive landslide in the Panama Canal? -- new article self-nom by Bellhalla (talk) 19:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • (alternate)... that American cargo ship SS Iowan rammed and sank two ships, one on each coast of the United States? — Bellhalla (talk) 19:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
    • (alternate)... that although the American SS Iowan served in World War I and II and is credited with sinking two ships, both were American civilian ships?
  • (nice article), both interesting leads; almost a pity they can't be combined. The second one is nice, but should say "collided with" rather than "rammed" as it wasn't deliberate - and I'm not sure it sounds as "amusing/interesting" that way. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 02:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I agree that there was no intent, but in both incidents, sources described Iowan as the ship that hit and sank the other. — Bellhalla (talk) 10:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Cooleemee, a plantation house in North Carolina, was built from approximately 300,000 bricks made on site?

• ... that the name Cooleemee, a plantation house in North Carolina, comes from the the Kulimi Indian tribe, which surrendered at Cooleemee, Alabama in 1814 at the end of the War of 1812? newly expanded (had been created as a re-direct in May 2005) article expanded and nommed by me TravellingCari 17:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that between 1950 and 1972, 29 tropical cyclones affected the U.S. State of Maryland? –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jōmon Sugi, located on the island of Yakushima in Japan, is the oldest and largest specimen of Cryptomeria japonica? (self-nom) –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 16:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • (alernate)... that Jōmon Sugi, a specimen of Cryptomeria japonica located on Yakushima, is the largest conifer in Japan? –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 16:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
  • (alernate)... that Jōmon Sugi, located on the island of Yakushima, is the oldest specimen of Cryptomeria japonica and the largest conifer in Japan? –Black Falcon ^(Talk) 16:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that former Mayor of Auckland Colin Kay was also twice the New Zealand triple jump champion? -- new article self-nom by XLerate (talk) 07:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Georg Prahl Harbitz, a priest by education, served as President of the Norwegian Parliament for ten terms? Punkmorten (talk) 09:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• It's kind of wierd the article doesn't say what denomination he belonged to. We can infer it's Church of Norway but...? - SpockMonkey (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• Yep, the only legal religion in the country until 1845. Punkmorten (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Major General Charles Ndaxu Namoloh is a member of the National Assembly of Namibia? article by Thomas.macmillan (talk · contribs), nom by SpockMonkey (talk) 14:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

or *... that Charles Ndaxu Namoloh, now a member of the National Assembly of Namibia, used the nom de guerre of "Ho Chi Minh" during the Namibian War of Independence?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The second is interesting. Punkmorten (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Matsukata Kojiro, president of Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation implemented Japan's first eight-hour work day system in 1919, after a massive strike by 30,000 workers threatened to bring down the government of Prime Minister Takashi Hara? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hook is 244 characters long - shorten to under 200. —97198 (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Dick Jones, a Wyoming Republican state legislature and gubernatorial nominee, also operated Dick Jones Trucking Company, which at its peak served thirty-eight states?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• Would look (and sound) better as "... that Dick Jones, a ...", imo. Calor (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that professional ice hockey goaltender Tiny Thompson was the first goaltender to catch a puck as a method to make a save? Expanded five-fold by Maxim (talk · contribs), nom by RyRy (talk · contribs). Thanks, RyRy (talk) 02:13, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date OK. Assuming good faith for off-line reference. --Captain-tucker (talk) 14:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• Short ALT: ... that Tiny Thompson was the first professional ice hockey goaltender to make a save by catching the puck? -- User: Boston will be proud. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for dropping my name! -- that's funny! - Boston (talk) 02:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The article is now a good article. As for hooks, I prefer the ALT proposed by 74.13.127.48. Maxim (☎) 15:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that while newspapers were quick to accuse Sayed Malike of seeking enough explosives to "blow up a mountain", they failed to mention that he said it in the context of gem mining?
  • (alternate hook) ...although accused of studying bridges and trying to purchase explosives, Sayed Malike was only arrested because of his interest in in Valium, Viagra and sleeping pills?
  • (altenrate hook) ...after asking an FBI agent posing as an arms dealer to find him $10,000 worth of C-4, Sayed Malike reneged on the deal noting that he lacked money? Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 02:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the edible mushroom Russula xerampelina (pictured) has a taste and smell reminiscent of shellfish or crab?...exp. 5-fold by User:Luridiformis and Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

A small point, but the article doesn't actually say it tastes of shellfish, just that it smells of it. Can this be clarified? Length and date are fine. Olaf Davis | Talk 11:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that after six terms in the Norwegian Parliament, Olav Akselsen will take over as director of the Norwegian Maritime Directorate from October 2009? -- expanded some by Arsenikk (talk · contribs) on August 25 and then more by Punkmorten (talk) on August 28. Nom by Punkmorten (talk) 12:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

"October 2009"? Crystal-balling? At least, pls use future tense. --74.13.127.48 (talk) 13:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

How can it be crystal balling when it has a reliable reference? Changed to future tense. Punkmorten (talk) 16:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Because things don't always go as planned. I ain't disputing the ref, but many things can happen in the next 13 months or so. He's named a director and scheduled to take office in October 2009. Whether he will actually work there is unknown till it happens. So either "takes over" or "will take over" is not entirely appropriate. However, I must say that this is a very minor problem and most people don't care. Perhaps, so should I. Thank you for fixing the tense. --74.13.126.115 (talk) 04:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

• Currently about 72 noms behind - Gatoclass (talk) 10:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
• Currently about 79 noms behind - Gatoclass (talk) 04:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
• About 78 hooks behind as of 04:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
• Now 67 hooks behind by my count - Gatoclass (talk) 04:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
• Only 39 hooks left in expiring noms by my count. Cbl62 (talk) 01:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 24

• ... that kibbutz Gvat, Israel was established in commemoration of the 35 Pinsk Jews shot by Polish soldiers during the Pinsk massacre? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by M0RD00R (talk) 05:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• M0RD00R, please, no need to add Pinsk massacre to everything. We can have less controversial and as interesting hooks, see below.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt very much that minor episode in Yom Kipur War is more interesting than, event of international interest. And more importantly Pinsk massacre is closely related with origins of this settlement, therefore this hook is way more educational that trivial fact mentioned bellow. M0RD00R (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

All settlements have history, few are hist by missiles. I find the missile hit hook much interesting - and more neutral. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

In that region settlements are hit by all sorts of missiles more than often, it is trivial to the history of Israel. The background of Gvat, how and why it was established on the other hand is quite unique, it connects the history of Poland, Belarus and Israel. M0RD00R (talk) 18:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a cite that this is a trivial and common fact? On the other hand, many kibbutzes were founded by EE emigrants, so its not surprising they are tied to EE places and history.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 03:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Now its just plain WP:BURO. Yes I have a cite that Frog attack on Gvat is trivial fact. It was only one of seventeen such attacks in just three days (Crossroads of Modern Warfare By Drew Middleton, page 285). Anyone who has at least some minor knowledge in Middle Eastern issues knows about daily Qassam rocket attacks on Israeli settlements (List of Qassam rocket attacks) or Katyusha attacks by Hizbullah on Northern Israel of recent history, or rocket attacks on Israel during last Israeli-Lebanese war. In last two years Israel got hit by 900 rocket attacks every year (roughly three rocket attack a day on average). Really you can't find more trivial fact about Israeli settlement than rocket attack.M0RD00R (talk) 07:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I kinda agree with M0RD00R on this one, the original nom is way more interesting. Manxruler (talk) 00:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that kibbutz Gvat, Israel, was once hit by a Soviet-made surface-to-surface missile Frog-7 launched by Syria?

Whose ALT hook is this? --74.14.21.228 (talk) 04:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

This article has URLs without names. That needs to be fixed first before a DYK approval.Nrswanson (talk) 15:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. M0RD00R (talk) 19:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Some of the sources this article uses do not look like they are reliable and/or independent. I'd like some other editors opinions on this before it gets approved for DYK.Nrswanson (talk) 21:23, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

The hook is verified now with a good source added by M0RD00R. I am going to go ahead and approve this but I will still say that other parts of the article are based on sources that I don't believe would be considered reliable.Nrswanson (talk) 22:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Drum Barracks (pictured) were built in 1862 and 1863 at a cost of $1 million to quell pro-Confederacy sentiments in Los Angeles? more than 5-fold expansion by Cbl62 (talk) 02:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. -- RyRy (talk) 08:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that politics in the ancient Roman Republic was plagued by conflict between the aristocracy and the ordinary citizens? expanded five fold, self nom RomanHistorian (talk) 01:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• What's the new article or expanded article? This needs to be in bold. (I forget to do that, too.) - Tim1965 (talk) 01:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• It was Conflict of the Orders. I bolded it. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 01:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• Can we get "Conflict of the Orders" in the hook rather than "dominated by conflict"? Boston (talk) 22:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

• I have modified the wording. Do you think this will work? RomanHistorian (talk) 02:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a lot of problems with this hook. First, as is, it's unexceptional. The ancient Romans had a political problem around class struggle? What society hasn't? Second, while the hook states this as if it were settled fact, the "Fact or Legend?" section of that article casts doubt on that. Perhaps a better hook could be written around this historiographical issue, like ...

• ...that the Conflict of the Orders which supposedly occurred in the ancient Roman Republic may not have actually happened? Daniel Case (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hooks, and refs verified. I think Daniel Case's hook is the best.Nrswanson (talk) 22:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, after succeeding Lai Tian, the Tang Dynasty general Liang Chongyi built a temple dedicated to Lai and refrained from using Lai's old office and main hall, in order to show respect to Lai? (new article, self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and history verified; Chinese-language source accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Caroline Reboux was known as the Queen of the Milliners? new article by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• (alt) ... that Caroline Reboux was the creator of the cloche hat? --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
• (alt) ... that Caroline Reboux was the first person in millinery fashion to think of adding a veil to a woman’s hat which she launched in the 1920's? --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC) Removing this alternate hook. --Doug Coldwell ^talk

• We can't know she was the first person to think of doing it just because she is remembered for it. SpockMonkey (talk) 16:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, and first two hooks verified. Offline sources accepted in good faith.Nrswanson (talk) 21:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Adele Addison

• ... that soprano Adele Addison stepped in to sing the role of Bess in the 1969 film version of Gershwin's Porgy and Bess at the last minute because the originally scheduled singer sounded too shrill? self nom, expanded five foldNrswanson (talk) 15:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hooks not abstracts. ALT: ...replacing a singer that was too shrill, Adele Addison was a late addition to the 1969 film version of Porgy and Bess? The hook doesn't need to tell us that she was a soprano or who wrote Porgy and Bess! - Boston (talk) 20:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook):... that soprano Adele Addison stepped into the role of Bess in the 1969 film version of Gershwin's Porgy and Bess as a last-minute replacement of a singer who sounded too shrill? - The hook does not need to tell us that she was a soprano or who wrote Borgy and Bess, but little tidbits like that, providing more context to the reader, are good to have, and should be left in there if they don't make the hook too long (<200 characters). --PFHLai (talk) 21:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• I see the 200 mark as the absolute limit rather than a size that's "ok as long as it's less than 200." I respect and value that some editors' don't agree with me on this, but I hope those who don't agree with me can at least "agree to disagree" on very friendly terms! - Boston (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I just happen to disagree about the trimming, and I thought I should explain why i think certain things should be kept. I hope I wasn't unfriendly! --PFHLai (talk) 01:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

You weren't but thanks for the courtesy! (c: - 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 21:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in the grounds of Knowsley Hall, Merseyside, the 13th Earl of Derby created a private menagerie in the 19th century, and in 1971 the 18th Earl opened Knowsley Safari Park to the public? Big expansion self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• I feel this is two hooks and that together they're less likely to capture a reader's attention than either on its own. - Boston (talk) 20:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook)... that the 13th Earl of Derby established a private menagerie in the 19th century in the grounds of Knowsley Hall in Merseyside, where the 18th Earl opened a public safari park in the 20th century? --PFHLai (talk) 22:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• Good suggestion. I think that blends the facts together more nicely. The only thing I would change is I would write "safari park" (even though it's longer!) as a safari park, especially in England, seems more interesting than a generic public park and lets us know that animals continued to be kept there. - Boston (talk) 00:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

How about "[[Knowsley Safari Park|public safari park]]"? --PFHLai (talk) 01:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I linked it like that in my last suggestion but didn't use the "no wiki" brackets. Thanks. - Boston (talk) 02:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I see. Now I understand what you meant by "even though it's longer". --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Please keep both the "private menagerie" and the "public safari park"; it's the whole point of the hook. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and history verified; offline ref accepted AGF. Daniel Case (talk) 21:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Allerheiligen-Hofkirche

• ... that Ludwig I of Bavaria was inspired to commission the Allerheiligen-Hofkirche (pictured) after attending Christmas mass at Palermo's Cappella Palatina? - new article, self nom N p holmes (talk) 10:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

- comment...Nice article. I might add the word "church" but I can see reasons not to. Your choice Victuallers (talk) 12:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Your welcome to add it (or the full translation "Court Church of All Saints") if you think it's useful and there's room. N p holmes (talk) 13:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

"When in doubt, leave it out!" The best hooks are 100 spaces or less. - Boston (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

No, Boston, size doesn't matter. We should be paying more attention to the message and how it's presented in the hook. --PFHLai (talk) 21:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook in simpler English)... that Ludwig I of Bavaria was inspired to commission the Court Church of All Saints (pictured) in the Munich Residence after attending Christmas mass at the Palatine Chapel in Palermo? --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first woman to be executed in Western Australia was for the murder of John Hurford? Assize (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if these sources are sufficient enough. I'd like some other editors to comment.Nrswanson (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a play by Tekle Hawariat Tekle Mariyam using animal characters to criticize the corruption and backwardness of the Ethiopian court prompted Empress Zewditu to ban all theatre in the country? -- new article by Llywrch (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 05:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

This article has been rated as a stub by the Ethiopia Wikiproject.Nrswanson (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 23

• ... that the Chinese character referring to the mythological sea monster Shen is used in Chinese, Korean as well as Japanese terms for "mirage"? -- (inline citations pending This article uses parenthetical referencing, so there are no footnotes. Need someone who can read Chinese/Kanji/Hanja to check this fact.) new article by Keahapana (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 19:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC) --01:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

See also

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