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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Jules De Martino

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 13:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cortinarius violaceus

... that, despite being the type species of the genus Cortinarius, the colour of the mushroom Cortinarius violaceus (pictured) is so dark it is only comparable with members of other genera?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 12:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nagorno-Karabakh parliamentary election, 2005

... that the opposition in Nagorno-Karabakh criticised the 2005 parliamentary election as having "fair and transparent irregularities", but an election monitor said many states could use it as an example?

5x expanded by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 11:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2004 Democratic National Convention keynote address

... that Barack Obama met his future speechwriter Jon Favreau while rehearsing his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention?

Created by Joshdboz (talk). Self nom at 09:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Wells (general)

... that following service in the Second World War and Korean War, Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) career in the Australian Army culminated with his appointment as the first Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee; the professional head of the Australian Military?

Created by Abraham, B.S. (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length is much too long... the basis seems to be (alt)... that Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) was the first Chief of the Australian Defence Force? Victuallers (talk) 09:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I was worried that that may have been the case, so I suggest the following:
  - ALT1 ... that Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) career in the Australian Army culminated with his appointment as the first Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee; the professional head of the Australian Military? Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells' (pictured) was the first professional head of the Australian Military? ... I think that says the same and leaves room for 2 other hooks. But let others decide. Victuallers (talk) 13:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 7

Big skate

... that a single egg case of the big skate may contain up to seven embryos?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

neat hook Victuallers (talk) 09:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Deane-Drummond

... that Anthony Deane-Drummond escaped from captivity twice during the Second World War, and was awarded the Military Cross both times?

Created by Shimgray (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date and size fine. AGF on offline hook source. ^Law_shoot! 06:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both MCs are cited to Pegasus, which is online. Shimgray | talk | 12:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Pankhurst (academic)

... that Richard Pankhurst, founder of the Institute of Ethiopian Studies, is the son of suffragette Sylvia Pankhurst?

Created by Warofdreams (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

King-of-the-salmon

... that the fish king-of-the-salmon is so named because, according to Makah legend, it is responsible for leading salmon to their spawning grounds?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Colleen Howe

... that Red Wings general manager Ken Holland held a moment of silence in remembrance of Colleen Howe, Mrs. Hockey before the Detroit Red Wings VS Columbus Blue Jackets hockey game, Saturday, March 07, 2009.?

Created by Bongomatic (talk) and SriMesh (talk). Nominated by SriMesh (talk) at 23:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

note this article has had several authors in its very short lifespan.—Preceding unsigned comment added by SriMesh (talk • contribs)

221 character hook. Shubinator (talk) 04:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)][reply]

Newthat there was moment of silence in remembrance of Colleen Howe, Mrs. Hockey before the Detroit Red Wings and Columbus Blue Jackets hockey game, Saturday, March 07, 2009.?

Fixed SriMesh | talk 08:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Phonological rule

... that in the English plural, the letter -s is pronounced differently in words like "cats," "cabs," and "buses," because of a phonological rule?

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Was formerly a redirect.rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, size, and hook ref all check out. Should quotes be inside of punctuation, per MOS? ^Law_shoot! 06:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Putting the quotes inside the punctuation is fine with me; if anyone wants to change it then I don't have any problems. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Wolfe (printer)

... that English printer John Wolfe's business practices so incensed his contemporaries, they compared him to Machiavelli?

Created by BuddingJournalist (talk). Self nom at 23:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date and size fine. AGF on offline ref. Good hook. ^Law_shoot! 06:29, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WPRN-FM

... that country music singer Ty Herndon's grandmother Myrtle hosted a Gospel music radio show on WPRN and WPRN-FM in Alabama for more than 40 years?

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 23:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All good, Length date and hook. ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksander Świętochowski

... that Aleksander Świętochowski (pictured) was a founder and the leading ideologist of Polish Positivism?

5x expanded by Nihil novi (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged as Stub. ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've corrected the article from "Stub" to "Start" class. Nihil novi (talk) 23:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded size and date verified. Off-line source for hook accepted on good faith. AdjustShift (talk) 13:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Franklin Nichols

... that American historian Roy Franklin Nichols won the 1949 Pulitzer Prize for History for his book The Disruption of American Democracy?

Created by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 20:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source, length, and date verified. Awadewit (talk) 20:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Katie White

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 19:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Henry King, 1st Baronet

... that Henry Seymour King, Member of Parliament for Kingston upon Hull Central for 25 years, was the first climber to reach the summits of Mont Maudit and Aiguille Blanche de Peuterey?

Created by User:Motmit. Self nom at 16:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt hook ... that Henry Seymour King, MP for Kingston upon Hull Central for 25 years, was the first climber to reach the summits of Mont Maudit and Aiguille Blanche de Peuterey? —Mattisse (Talk) 22:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 17:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No longer a stub. Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Octagón

... that Mexican wrestler Octagón took his name from the 1980 film The Octagon starring Chuck Norris?

5x expanded by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs serious copyediting. Awadewit (talk) 20:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I see the problem, first of all I messed up and used a version that I hadn't finished copyediting (not sure how I managed that but I saw spelling errors I know I corrected in the final draft) and then I rushed it a bit. I've gone over it and hopefully improved it enough to allow this DYK to pass. MPJ-DK (talk) 07:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bohdan Bondarenko

... that high jumper Bohdan Bondarenko won the World Junior Championships bronze medal in 2006 and the gold medal in 2008, both times with a 2.26 metres jump?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brachygobius nunus

... that the Golden banded goby is differentiated from similar species by the structure of its anal fin?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of the sources provided are reliable. This is a hobby website and this is an article published by hobbyists in a newsletter. Awadewit (talk) 20:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please point me to the policy regarding "hobby websites" being categorically unreliable so I can familiarize myself with it. Thanks. --Boston (talk) 00:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RS. —Ed 17 ^{(Talk / Contribs)} 01:00, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm familiar with our general guidelines about sources and I see nothing in them which excludes information taken from hobbyists. It does say "Reliable non-academic sources may also be used" and I consider people obsessed with keeping, breeding, talking about, and writing about gobies to be a reliable source for the simple statement made in the hook. --Boston (talk) 01:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing that indicates that these are peer-reviewed, fact-checked sources, which would make them reliable. Awadewit (talk) 01:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And there is no Wikipedia guideline or DYK guideline I am aware of that says those are the only sources we use. Quote with emphasis added: Many Wikipedia articles rely on scholarly material. Academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources when available.--Boston (talk) 01:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would be inclined to accept these sources in this case. The authors of the one source identify themselves, and both sources are published on sites that, while not academic, care enough about themselves not to post junk. If this were a FAC I would say go dig up a better source (since I'm sure this claim is mundane enough to be found in any fish book that mentions gobies), but the standards here don't need to be so rigorous, and this claim is not a controversial one. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
These are not appropriate sources. Please provide moar. Kthnxbai. Synergy 01:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can identify themselves on a website - that doesn't matter. These sources don't meet the bare minimum of our policy of RS. Awadewit (talk) 01:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that they don't post junk is irrelevant. It's an unreliable source, and as Awadewit says, we don't have any reason to believe what these people are saying, because the information is not fact checked. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 01:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed with original description of hamilton who indicates same characteristic. -- Kim van der Linde ^{at venus} 01:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A book from 1822 does not represent modern scientific knowledge. The way species are differentiated has changed considerably, especially with the discovery of evolution and genetics, both of which took place after 1822. Awadewit (talk) 13:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beam-index tube

... that after spending a decade in development, Philco gave up on their "Apple" tube color television system because it was too expensive to put into production?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Large sections of this article are unsourced. Awadewit (talk) 20:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eline Berings, Lucie Škrobáková

... that Eline Berings won the 60 metre hurdles event at the 2009 European Indoor Championships ahead of Lucie Škrobáková?

Actually, Eline Berings is new, Lucie Škrobáková is expanded. Self nom by Punkmorten (talk) at 10:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anchorage paintball attacks

... that in early 2001, three teenagers conducted a series of racially motivated drive-by shootings in Anchorage, Alaska, using a paintball gun and a video camera?

Created by CharlotteWebb. Self nom at 13:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, refs verified. I would prefer the following hook:
ALT1 ... that in early 2001, three teenagers in Anchorage, Alaska, conducted and videotaped a series of racially motivated drive-by shootings with a paintball gun?
By the way, I lol'ed at this. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me, I don't care. — CharlotteWebb 16:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Australian light destroyer project

... that the Australian light destroyer project began as a proposal to develop small 1,000 ton destroyers and was canceled after the size of the planned ships reached 4,200 tons?

ALT1:... that the British Royal Navy withdrew its support for the Australian light destroyer project when the Royal Australian Navy insisted on arming the ships with weapons designed by the United States?
ALT2:... that after the Australian light destroyer project was canceled, the Australian Government ordered frigates which the Royal Australian Navy had previously assessed as being "second rate escorts"?

Created/expanded by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wild Rugby Academy

... that the Wild Rugby Academy was formed with the aim of establishing a German rugby union team in the European Challenge Cup by 2010?

Created by EA210269 (talk). Self nom at 09:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elite Police

... "... that Pervez Musharraf criticised the Pakistan Elite Police because they were unable to shoot any of the gunmen taking part in the 2009 Lahore attack on Sri Lankan cricket team?

Created/expanded by yousaf465 (talk). Self nom at 08:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are several issues with this hook. (1) The article isn't mentioned in it. (2) Context is missing; it doesn't say which gunmen or even what incident is being referred to. Suggested alternative: "... that Pervez Musharraf criticised the Pakistan Elite Police because they were unable to shoot any of the gunmen taking part in the 2009 Lahore attack on Sri Lankan cricket team? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article currently isn't quite long enough for Did You Know. Please see C1 for details. Art LaPella (talk) 22:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook has been adopted.Did checked the length beforehand it was almost 2100 or something.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

The character count is currently at 1238. There is simply no way we can pass an article with just one sentence in three of the five sections. The other two sections are very short too. You need to include more info, and a few more refs would help. I will elaborate more on the article talk page. Chamal ^talk 03:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chamal is correct. Regardless of the overall article length (which, for the record, is not enough yet), the sections need to either be expanded, or merged into a single section. An article with single-sentence sections is not acceptable. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Improved with more sources.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

Snubnosed eel

... that while normally a scavenger, the snubnosed eel (pictured) also burrows into the bodies of larger fish to feed, and in 1992 two specimens were found inside the heart of a shortfin mako shark?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt hook ... that the snubnosed eel (pictured) is parasitic and oviparous, an ovary of one female possibly containing 30,000 eggs? —Mattisse (Talk) 23:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence should end with a question mark because it starts with an implied "Did you know ... ". See I1. So there should either be a question mark after "eggs", or change the semicolon to a question mark and capitalize the next word. Art LaPella (talk) 23:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC) Fixed. Art LaPella (talk) 00:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded size and date verified. Off line source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rand Ranger Station

... that a U.S. Forest Service district ranger lived in a tent for eight years while waiting for a residence to be built at the Rand Ranger Station?

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, fact-checking, and creation date all verified. I added "U.S." to the hook for clarification. Great article! Jamie^☆S93 14:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Book of Time (novel series)

... that author Guillaume Prévost created the The Book of Time (novel series) to help children understand that history can be fascinating?

5x expanded by Collectonian (talk), MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Nominated by MichaelQSchmidt (talk) at 02:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: article both nominated for deletion by and then improved by Collectonian, with minor assistance by Schmidt, as a result of discussions at the article's AfD.Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not expanded enough. Not counting the text in the table, it's a 2609/922 = 2.8x expansion. Please expand some more. Shubinator (talk) 02:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Its now 5086 B (864 words) "readable prose size". 5086/922 = 5.5 expansion. Thanks for the heads up. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New expansion size, date and reference for hook verified. (Great for an AFD rescuee!) —Mattisse (Talk) 23:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fun little article. Now at 7622/922 = 8.2x expansion, and growing. Goes to show that not everything at an AfD should have to burn. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 6

Pavel Lednyov

... that Pavel Lednyov has won seven Olympic medals in modern pentathlon, more than anybody else in this sport?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Masten-Quinn House

... that a 175-year-old shagbark hickory tree next to the Masten-Quinn House (pictured, with tree in foreground) in Wurtsboro, New York, has helped to date its construction? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 22:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article size and date verified. Not clear how the oak has helped to date the house's construction. (I get a Java error trying to view the source document.) —Mattisse (Talk) 23:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can get into the NRHP listings (you have to have a special Java thingy installed). Verified on p4 of the listing document; the tree was "estimated at 168 years old" when the doc was written in 2002. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Joseph Rainbow

... that William Joseph Rainbow's work, A Census of Australian Araneidae, was the first catalogue of Australian spiders?

Created by Cygnis insignis (talk). Self nom at 16:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Electoral district of Yeerongpilly

... that the percentage of Sudanese-born persons living in the Australian electoral district of Yeerongpilly is twelve times the national average?

5x expanded by Backslash Forwardslash (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and reference verified. Added a link and bolding in the hook. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rosary and scapular

... that the "Rosary and the Scapular are inseparable" (rosary beads and brown scapular pictured) are words attributed to the Virgin Mary during the Marian apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima in 1917?

Created/expanded by History2007 (talk). Nominated by Boston (talk) at 04:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hadwiger conjecture (combinatorial geometry)

... that any 3D convex body may be covered by smaller copies, the number of which equals the number of lights needed to illuminate the body, but it is unknown whether this number ever exceeds eight?

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Medorem Crawford

... that Oregon politician Medorem Crawford's son was the first white American male born on the west side of the Willamette River?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gary O'Donnell (British Army soldier)

... that Gary O'Donnell is the first person in 26 years to be awarded a second George Medal?

Created by Kernel Saunters (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that Gary O'Donell is the first person in 26 years to be awarded a bar to his George Medal? Mjroots (talk) 08:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bay Street Emeryville

... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall in the city of the same name was built on top of a toxic Indian burial ground and shellmound against the wishes of their descendants?-self nom and createdTroyster87 (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A toxic indian burial ground? Maybe

ALT1: ... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall was build on a Native American burial ground and a former nuclear waste dump site? ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2... that the Bay Street Emeryville mall was built on top of a polluted Ohlone Indian burial ground and shellmound? would be more acceptable however i see nothing wrong with the original proposal. toxic indian burial ground is a very unique thing about the location and it is well sourced that the mall is built on an Ohlone burial ground and that it is toxic, it is therefore a mall on a toxic site/burial ground Troyster87 (talk) 04:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indian burial ground is a redlink... ∗ \ / (⁂) 11:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is not the encyclopedia title Bay Street Emeryville Mall? Surely we can avouid the phrase "toxic Indian burial ground" on Wikipedia's Main Page, no matter how it's justified.--Wetman (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"is not the title" "avouid" riiiight. anyways, what is the problem with toxic indian burial ground? that's what it is, that's what makes it interesting, that's what makes it unique. what's the argument for disinclusion? why should we avoid it? because you think it sounds bad?Troyster87 (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Psychedelic Frogfish

... that two Psychedelic Frogfish, unlike any fish ever seen before, were discovered in a shipment to the Dallas World Aquarium in 1992, but ichthyologists did not realize they were a new species until this year?

5x expanded by Bob the Wikipedian (talk). Self nom at 22:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Expanded from 218 words to 1004 words beginning February 26. Hopefully within the next three days, the photos will be in from Dr. Hall, who researched the fish.Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT... that the first two Psychedelic Frogfish were discovered in 1992, but were not recognized as a new species until this year? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using User:Dr pda/prosesize.js, the expansion (counted in characters) is only 1550 characters to slightly under 6000 characters...slightly under 4x expansion. I like the article, though, and would like to see it on the front page...any way you could expand it more? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I double-checked the character count so I could see the actual numbers...it looks like if I remove the references, external links, category names, contents, and footnotes, Microsoft Word counts 5,975 characters (4,974 without spaces), and the original had 1,314 characters (1,102 without spaces). Either way I come up with around 4.5x. I'm interested to learn what your word counter is counting in addition to the actual text in the article. I'll see what I can do to expand it...possiby adding adjectives and adverbs. There may also be some content I skimmed over in the species paper that could still be included. Thanks for enjoying it; it's good to know such articles are appreciated. Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adding content from some papers would probably be better than padding it with filler words....but if it's around 4.5x, people can IAR on this nom. 5x is more of a rough guideline than an absolute cut-off; it depends mostly on if anyone is willing to take the time to do a more in-depth assessment of the article than just counting the characters. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A slight rewording of your suggestion:

... that two Psychedelic Frogfish were recognized as "something different" in 1992, but were not declared a new species until this year?

I've raised the word count to 1,176, and the character count with spaces to 7,037, and the character count without spaces to 5,865. This makes the expansion 5.39 by word count, 5.35x by character count, and 5.32x by character minus spaces count. Dr. Hall is out to sea (according to an email from his secretary) and will not be able to send me photos until March 8 at the soonest, so hopefully by the time this is featured there will be a photo or three. Thanks for the encouragement to expand the article...it's amazing what a little push can do, isn't it? I didn't think there was any way I could possibly write more, but you proved me wrong. Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or 7607/1550=4.9x the way we count, explained here. Art LaPella (talk) 06:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing the link-- that explains your math quite well. Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple sentences and recalculated using your method with the newest size of 7844B for an expansion of 5.06x. Time for bed! Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything is in order here. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Cisco Kid (TV series)

... that the 1950–1956 syndicated series The Cisco Kid featured Duncan Renaldo and Leo Carrillo as the first Hispanic television stars in the United States?

Created by User:Billy Hathorn (talk), Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Osteoblast milk protein

... that osteoblast milk protein added to Mengniu Deluxe milk in China is supposed to promote bone growth, but its safety has been questioned?

Created by Apoc2400 (talk), Zhangzhe0101 (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, creation date, and facts verified. I tweaked "is questioned" to "has been questioned", so there's less present-tense wording in case some countries considered it to be safe, although OMP seems to still be viewed as an issue overall. Cheers, Jamie^☆S93 15:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Traffic light control and coordination

... that there are different traffic light control and coordination systems such as fixed time control and dynamic control?

Created by Velela (talk) and Triskele Jim (talk). Nominated by SriMesh (talk) at 20:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Swiss referendum, June 2005

... that in the June 2005 Swiss referendum, Switzerland became the first country in Europe to hold a referendum on increased rights for same-sex couples?

Created by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minhag America, Union Prayer Book, Gates of Prayer

... that Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise's 1857 Minhag America, an effort at a prayer book for American Reform Jews, was supplanted by the Union Prayer Book in the 1890s, which in turn was replaced by Gates of Prayer in the 1975 and then Mishkan T'filah in 2007?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1780 Atlantic hurricane season

... that the 1780 Atlantic hurricane season is the only season to date that had three hurricanes that caused at least 1,000 deaths each?

Created by Bender235 (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Treaty of Fort Wayne (1809)

... that the 1809 Treaty of Fort Wayne led to the outbreak of Tecumseh's War and the subsequent Battle of Tippecanoe?

5x expanded by User:Charles Edward (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Wilhelm von Willisen

... that the Prussian general Karl Wilhelm von Willisen, a special envoy of King Frederick William IV of Prussia throughout the Greater Poland Uprising (1848) was largely criticized for his actions by the local populace as being polonophile and had to leave the Grand Duchy of Posen quietly just 2 weeks after his arrival.

Created/expanded by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 13:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This hook is far too long. DYK hooks are supposed to be a short, punchy, and interesting fact, not just trying to say as much stuff as you can (in fact, it's better to say as little as you can, while still keeping it interesting and "hooking"—the usual goal is about 150–160 characters). For an example, you could write this same hook in a much shorter way:
ALT1: ... that the Prussian general Karl Wilhelm von Willisen was forced out of the Grand Duchy of Posen for being pro-Polish?
That being said, I don't know how interesting this hook is, so if you could take some time to try to find a good, interesting fact in the article, it would be helpful. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's my first attempt at DYK, so I beg your patience. It's rather the fact he had to leave after 2 weeks as a Royal envoy because he became unpopular among the populace, I thougt might be unusual and interesting. HerkusMonte (talk) 13:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That can also be written in a short hook:
ALT2: ... that the Prussian general Karl Wilhelm von Willisen was forced out of the Grand Duchy of Posen only two weeks after his arrival? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me, Thanks. HerkusMonte (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kasakela chimpanzee community

... that Frodo, former alpha male of the Kasakela chimpanzee community who was featured in several documentaries, once killed a human infant?

ALT1:... that members of the Kasakela chimpanzee community were the first non-human animals observed making tools?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Alt hook verified by National Geographic. Hook 1 verified by Jane Goodals Institute. —Mattisse (Talk) 04:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Friedrich August Peter von Colomb

... that Prussian general Friedrich August Peter von Colomb commanded the Prussian forces throughout the Greater Poland Uprising of 1848?

Created by HerkusMonte (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 15:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 5

Moon of Pejeng

... that the Moon of Pejeng in Bali is the largest single-cast bronze kettle drum in the world?

Created by A Nobody (talk), and User:Jack Merridew. Expanded also by User:SatuSuro, Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No Parking Whitebeam

... that the No Parking Whitebeam, a rare tree, was named after a road sign nailed to the type specimen?

Created by Totnesmartin (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, size, and ref hook all check out. ^Law_shoot! 04:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Cloud Door

... that the film The Cloud Door, by Indian director Mani Kaul, received only one screening at the International Film Festival of India due to its erotic theme?

Created by Enigmaticanant (talk). Nominated by Mattisse (talk) at 01:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, size, and hook ref all check out. ^Law_shoot! 06:24, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nigeria women's national basketball team

... that the Nigeria women's national basketball team became the first African team ever to win an Olympic game in women's basketball at the 2004 Summer Olympics?

5x expanded by SMSpivey (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sharptail mola

... that in recent years the sharptail mola (pictured) has become an important commercial fish in Taiwan, since the promotion of an ocean sunfish festival in Hualien County?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 17:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date (March 6) verified. Off line source for hook accepted on good faith. Web link reference is unreliable source. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unicorn crestfish

... that the deep-sea unicorn crestfish (pictured) can expel a cloud of black ink as a defense against predators?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 17:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Off line sources for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This Is It (Michael Jackson concerts)

... that Michael Jackson's official concert tour website could not deal with the traffic—16,000 applications a second—for pre-sale ticket registration?

Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk), Realist2 (talk). Nominated by Realist2 (talk) at 16:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, and hook reference verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HM Armed Smack Inverlyon, SM UB-4

... that the fishing smack Inverlyon, serving as a Royal Navy Q-ship, sank the German U-boat UB-4 in August 1915 with just nine shots from her 3-pounder (47 mm) gun?

5x expanded by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: HM Armed Smack Inverlyon is new from 6 March; SM UB-4 is an 5+x expansion from 5 March. —Bellhalla (talk) 15:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Russula fellea

... that the bitter and inedible mushroom Russula fellea smells of geraniums or apple sauce?

Created by Luridiformis (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 11:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From the image it looks like this is a kind of mushroom, no? — Bellhalla (talk) 15:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh! Yes, that's right; 'mushroom' duly inserted above. Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, image verified; AGF on offline references. Should the image be on Commons instead of En? Shubinator (talk) 01:50, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

toonlet

... that the CEO of toonlet has also worked on The Sims, SimCity and Spore for Electronic Arts?

Created by Toonlet (talk). Nominated by Steven Walling (talk) at 06:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by nominator. ∗ \ / (⁂) 13:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. It was evaluated on the talk page as a stub when it was stub sized, but it isn't any longer. Not ever tagged as a stub in-article. Steven Walling (talk) 21:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forward Poland

... that the new Polish party called Forward Poland rejected an alliance with Declan Ganley's Libertas?

Created by Anameofmyveryown (talk). Self nom at 00:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Anglophone Wikipedia knowledge of non-Anglophone polities can be lacking: a DYK nom for this would increase comprehension of Polish politics in the English-speaking worldAnameofmyveryown (talk) 00:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt hook ... that the new Polish party called Forward Poland rejected an alliance with activist Declan Ganley's European lobby group, Libertas? —Mattisse (Talk) 02:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For DYK purposes, best leave off characterization of Ganley/Libertas, on WP:COATRACK grounds if nothing else. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 03:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too short. Only 1315, when it must be at least 1500 characters. Can you add to it? —Mattisse (Talk) 04:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The 4 paragraphs of text under "History" and the one para lede now reach 2041 characters, not including spaces. Is that OK? Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Polish sources for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

London Road viaduct

... that after London Road viaduct (pictured) in Brighton, England, was bombed in 1943, trains were using it again within 24 hours even though the road below was visible through gaps in the damaged brickwork?

Created by Das48 (talk), Wwoods (talk), Hassocks5489 (talk). Nominated by Hassocks5489 (talk) at 23:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Picture-wise, I need to find a suitable image to do justice to this impressive structure. I'll check my railway photo collection, but might need to wander down to Btn and take some new ones...Hassocks 5489 (tickets please!) 23:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are 4 photos available to use on [Geograph Mjroots (talk) 06:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One added. Pics of the whole viaduct from the southwest, although good at full size, are unsuitable in thumbnail view. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 15:13, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book sources for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Swinefield

... that Richard Swinefield, a medieval Bishop of Hereford, tried during his episcopate to secure the canonization of his predecessor Thomas de Cantilupe, but it did not happen until after Swinfield's death?

5x expanded by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added "but" to repair a comma splice. Art LaPella (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disturbed discography

... that Disturbed has released three consecutive number-one albums on the Billboard 200 chart?

5x expanded by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 23:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative text: "... that rock band Disturbed has released three consecutive number-one debuts on the Billboard 200 chart?" Canniba loki 23:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dependent and independent verb forms

... that Irish, Scottish Gaelic, and Manx have separate dependent and independent verb forms?

Created by Angr (talk). Self nom at 22:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John de Breton

... that the medieval bishop John de Breton is credited with having written a legal treatise 15 years after his death?

5x expanded by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Size: Previous version was 350 characters for the prose. This recent version is 2590 characters per my count. That is a 7.4 times expansion.
The hook is cited to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and accepted in good faith. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography contains this information: "The bishop could not in fact have written Britton in the version in which it has survived, because this third full-scale treatise on English law ... refers to statutes made up to fifteen years after his death." --Canley (talk) 00:47, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With that, I suggest a small rewording to - "... that the medieval bishop John de Breton was credited with having written a legal treatise regarding statutes created after his death?" Ottava Rima (talk) 03:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's better! Johnbod (talk) 04:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Franklin Burch

... that Benjamin Franklin Burch, a teacher at the first school in Polk County, Oregon, was a member of the Oregon Constitutional Convention and President of the Oregon State Senate?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Hele

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flemish Bastard

... that the Canadian Mohawk chief, the Flemish Bastard, was considered the primary spokesman for the pro-French faction of Canada in the 17th century?

Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 20:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Bulger

... that Irish rugby union international and British Lion Lawrence Bulger died on Saint Patrick's Day 1928?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk) 16:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that Lawrence Bulger, an outstanding rugby player with the British Lions and the Ireland national rugby union team, died on Saint Patrick's Day, 1928, at the age of 58? —Mattisse (Talk) 21:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping busy Mattisse. The change appears good. Maybe we could keep this one back for St Patrick's day as there appears to be a section for them. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, actually I already started a nom in the St. Patrick's Day section, using his nickname "Fat Cupid" as part of the hook because it seemed more fun. ww2censor (talk) 06:26, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SM UB-3

... that when German U-boat UB-3 disappeared on her first patrol in May 1915, she was the first of her class to be lost?

5x expanded by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 06:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date and 5x expansion verified. Book source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:16, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luigi Pernier

... that archaeologist Luigi Pernier, who found the Phaistos Disc, is suspected of having forged it?

Created by Neddyseagoon (talk). Nominated by Ghirlandajo (talk) at 15:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and reference for hook verified. However, the only reference in the entire article is for the hook. The article is poorly written with incomplete sentences. An obvious "rush job". I don't know what the DKY rules are regarding the quality of the article. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But the subject is fascinating :) DYK is not about featured stuff, it's about giving Main Page readers a chance to pick up an interesting article and to improve it. There is very little information about Pernier in English. The page about sums up everything that we know. --Ghirla^-трёп- 10:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

prose tidied; though more refs would be nice, article meets dyk quality threshold, such as it is. Johnbod (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've tagged it with {{morefootnotes}}; there are sources given at the end of the article, so adding inline citations should be an easy task for someone who speaks the language and has access to those sources (ie, the person who wrote the article). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Ghirla ... I have added two footnotes Victuallers (talk) 12:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new refs are helpful, but I'm not sure I agree with the removal of the {{morefootnotes}} template...there are still entire paragraphs that are uncited, and both the sources in the bibliography (the Italian source and the Nature editorial) are not footnoted anywhere in the text, they're just sitting there. I guess it's not enough to block this from DYK, but it should still be cleaned up for its own sake. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Drawings by Douglas Hamilton

... that at least 181 detailed drawings by Douglas Hamilton illustrate his big game hunting experiences and Army surveys of new hill stations in Tamil Nadu, South India, in the mid-eighteenth century?

Created/expanded by Marcus334 (talk). Self nom at 04:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the hook, the word surveys goes to long disambiguation page. I do not think this is good for a hook on the main page. Much of the article seems to be the Table of Contents of a book. Isn't there some policy/guideline discouraging the listings of TOC—Mattisse (Talk) 19:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article is about 181 drawings published in 6 different volumes. TOC are not used.--Marcus (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N11 also forbids linking to a disambiguation. I changed it to surveying, which I think matches the intended meaning better than military alternatives like reconnaissance. Art LaPella (talk) 22:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N11 does not forbid linking to a disambiguation.

The reference uses the word survey, though Wikipedia meaning (precise geometrical measurement of land ) is off the mark. I linked to Scout because first sentence there does convey intended meaning. Scouting for Medical intelligence was his assignment, but medical intelligence term is not used in the article or references. Maybe leave it alone, link to medical intelligence or avoid issue entirely by de-linking the word survey?--Marcus (talk) 06:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N11 doesn't technically forbid linking to a disambiguation, but it says to correct such links. I recently copied that rule from WP:DYK, and for a more authoritative guideline see WP:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages. The sentence at Scout is about a soldier performing reconnaissance, so I don't know how that could be better than linking to Reconnaissance. For now I just unlinked it. Art LaPella (talk) 20:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gilling Abbey

... that Gilling Abbey was founded on an estate granted as weregild?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 03:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dibothrosuchus

Life restoration of Dibothrosuchus

... that, based on its skull anatomy, the small Early Jurassic crocodile relative Dibothrosuchus (pictured) probably had a keen sense of hearing and was likely a vocal animal like modern crocodilians?

Created by J. Spencer (talk). Self nom at 03:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date verified. Assume good faith for offline source for hook. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt1 ... that based on its skull anatomy, the small Early Jurassic crocodile relative Dibothrosuchus (pictured) probably had a keen sense of hearing and was vocal like modern crocodiles?

alt2 ... that based on its skull anatomy, the small, Early Jurassic Dibothrosuchus (pictured), relative to the Crocodylomorpha, probably had a keen sense of hearing and was vocal like modern crocodiles?

alt3 ... that based on its skull anatomy, the small Early Jurassic Dibothrosuchus (pictured), a crocodile relative, probably had a keen sense of hearing and was vocal like modern crocodilians?

Going alt crazy! —Mattisse (Talk) 20:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like alt1 best. J. Spencer (talk) 23:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I took the liberty of adding (pictured) to the hooks, as User:ArthurWeasley has prepared a restoration from a skeletal reconstruction in the Wu & Chatterjee article. J. Spencer (talk) 03:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 4

Li Su

... that, to defeat the warlord Wu Yuanji, the Tang Dynasty general Li Su launched a surprise attack in a heavy snowstorm against Wu's capital?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 06:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a new article that displaced a redirect.Nlu (talk) 06:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination for Wu Yuanji below can be merged here if appropriate. --Nlu (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dacia Duster

... that the Dacia Duster is the first concept car entirely made by the Romanian automaker Automobile Dacia?

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 11:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date (March 6) and hook reference verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that the Dacia Duster is the first concept car, a crossover between a SUV and sports coupe, made by the Romanian automaker Automobile Dacia? —Mattisse (Talk) 13:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately factually incorrect, if you look the Dacia Logan entry, you see that Dacia already exhibited a Logan Steppe Concept. Hektor (talk) 05:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Logan Steppe was designed by Renault Design in France. The Duster is entirely designed by Renault Design Central Europe in Bucharest. Mario1987 08:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spiny butterfly ray

... that the spiny butterfly ray stuns its prey with blows from its wing-like pectoral fins?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date (March 5) verified. Off line references accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 12:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plasmatron

... that a decade of development by several major electronics companies failed to turn the Plasmatron into a successful television system?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blake (band)

... that the classical "boy band", Blake, formed via the social networking website Facebook and replaced a member by using Twitter?

5x expanded by Mdcollins1984 (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date and length (5x expansion) and hook reference verified, using: [1] —Mattisse (Talk) 21:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Gibbs

... that Wing Commander Patrick Gibbs had to wait 49 years for the publication of the second half of his memoirs?

Created/expanded by FruitMonkey (talk) 23:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. I have a small quibble with the hook, as none of the four sources listed for the article indicate that he was denied publication and therefore "had to wait" 49 years, but rather that he did wait. The sentence in the article indicating that he was forced to shelve the second book is not referenced. —Mattisse (Talk) 12:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt1 ... that Welsh military pilot and journalist, Wing Commander Patrick Gibbs, published two volumes of wartime memoirs 49 years apart: Not Peace, But a Sword (1943) and Torpedo Leader (1992)?
alt2 ... that Welsh military pilot and journalist, Wing Commander Patrick Gibbs, published two volumes of wartime memoirs 49 years apart?

These alt hooks are verified by article sources. (Length and date already verified). —Mattisse (Talk) 12:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS Letitia

... that the SS Letitia served as an armed merchant cruiser, a troopship, and a hospital ship during the Second World War?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook references verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Or for a April Fool's style hook:
... that Captain Cook was sailing to New Zealand as late as the 1950s? Benea (talk) 23:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for this hook also verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SM UB-2

... that the World War I German U-boat UB-2 was the only one of the Type UB I submarines in the Flanders Flotilla not to be shipped by rail to Antwerp?

5x expanded by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of rugby union matches between Argentina and France

... that while the history of rugby union matches between Argentina and France dates back to 1949, Argentina did not win a match until their 16th clash in 1985?

Created by Dramatic (talk). Self nom at 21:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Has only 686 prose characters, (counted with User:Dr pda/prosesize.js; tables, lists and templates don't count towards prose count. 1500 characters is the minimum. Perhaps additions can be made to the article. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Over 1000 now, and I've put a note on the rugby project page asking for other contributions. dramatic (talk) 17:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Still short of the 1500 minimum. How likely is an expansion? This has a few days before it expires so there is no rush. ∗ \ / (⁂) 13:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Made it (by my count), hopefully without waffling. It is a pain that you cannot reference specific search results at pick and go. dramatic (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reflexiones (album)

... that Reflexiones by Mexican singer José José was the first number-one album in the Billboard Latin Pop Albums chart?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk). Self nom at 20:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Less than 500 characters of prose (counted with User:Dr pda/prosesize.js; lists and templates don't count towards prose count). 1500 is the minimum. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Landers

... that Alan Landers, who was featured in Winston cigarette ads, became an anti-smoking advocate calling himself the "Winston Man" and died of laryngeal cancer after a longtime 2½-pack-per-day habit?

Created by Canley (talk), Bongomatic (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and hook references verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt hook ... that Alan Landers, featured in Winston cigarette ads in the 1960s and 70s, became an anti-smoking advocate as the "Winston Man" and died of laryngeal cancer in 2009, after a longtime 2½-pack-per-day habit?

Tried to add time frame info without making hook longer. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

decasyllabic quatrain

... that a decasyllabic quatrain is a poetic form in which each stanza consists of four lines of ten syllables, usually with a rhyme scheme of AABB or ABAB?

Created by User:mrathel (User talk:mrathel). Self nom at 18:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date etc all good. ∗ \ / (⁂) 13:49, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Wilde (engineer)

... that Henry Wilde demonstrated the power of his self-energizing dynamo by using it to melt iron bars? new article, self nom by SpinningSpark 16:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Assume good faith for book references for hook. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~::*alt ... that Henry Wilde demonstrated the power of his self-energizing dynamo, patented in 1875, by using it to melt iron bars?~~ ~~::: Added time frame to hook. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

The 1875 patent mentioned in the article is for making printing rollers, not the dynamo. I don't know when (or even if) Wilde patented the dynamo, patents that old are difficult to track down if you don't know the patent number - but I do know that Wilde had a lot of patents. If you need a date in the hook use 1866, which is the date his dynamo paper was communicated (via Michael Faraday) to the Royal Society. That is currently buried in a footnote, but I can put that date in the body of the article if required. SpinningSpark 01:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It helps the hook to have a date, a country, something to give context. However, it is not required. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might be able to find the patent in the London Gazette, just searching on Henry Wilde, finds "No. 24460". The London Gazette. 18 May 1877. this in the first page of hits. David Underdown (talk) 13:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt2... that Henry Wilde melted iron bars to demonstrate the power of his self-energizing dynamo, a machine based on his paper presented to the Royal Society in 1866? Alternate to meet request for time frame in hook. SpinningSpark 13:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stroganov Palace

... that Beloselsky-Belozersky Palace was intended to mirror the opulent Stroganov Palace on the opposite side of Nevsky Prospekt, St. Petersburg?

Created by Wikiolap (talk). Nominated by Ghirlandajo (talk) at 12:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that Francesco Bartolomeo Rastrelli worked on the small-scale Stroganov Palace while simultaneously supervising the construction of the Catherine Palace for the Empress? --Ghirla^-трёп- 17:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MV Belgian Airman

... that the MV Belgian Airman was carrying a cargo of sorghum when she was torpedoed and sunk on 14 April 1945?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 11:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kosovo: Can You Imagine?

... that the movie Kosovo: Can You Imagine? will be released on March 15th of this year?

Created by Luka Jačov (talk). Self nom at 11:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Article is only 1219 characters when block quotes are included. Are you able to expand this article further? ∗ \ / (⁂) 11:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Adding Bolonium (talk · contribs) to credits ∗ \ / (⁂) 11:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And can you imagine a better hook? Every movie has a release date; this would be interesting or unusual only if like, say, The Day the Clown Cried, it had long been unreleased? As it is this sounds like promotion. Daniel Case (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anastasios Christodoulou

... that Greek Cypriot academic Anastasios Christodoulou, the Foundation Secretary of Britain's Open University, was the son of a cobbler?

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 11:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt ... that Greek Cypriot academic Anastasios Christodoulou was named 'Anastasios' ('Resurrection') by his parents as he was born on Easter Day? Jack1956 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 00:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake...I substantially expanded the article but forgot to change the rating. Now corrected. Jack1956 (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Forester

... that Thomas Forester, the only American stock mutual fund manager to make a profit in 2008, had previously been the highest performing mutual fund manager of the 6000 tracked by Morningstar in 2002?

Created by User:TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 09:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and hook reference verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that Thomas Forester was the manager of the only mutual fund focusing on U.S. stocks that made money in 2008? —Mattisse (Talk) 02:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The alt seems less interesting to me because it only has one interesting fact.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Walter L. Bragg

... that Interstate Commerce Commissioner Walter L. Bragg died after suffering from the effects of Civil War wounds, a quarter century after the war ended?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 03:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Friends of Gilda

... that the 1993 fundraiser Friends of Gilda featured Martin Short, Eugene Levy, Andrea Martin, Paul Shaffer and others who knew Gilda Radner from a Toronto production of Godspell?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 06:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Itoro Umoh-Coleman

... that two alumna from Hephzibah High School played on the Nigerian women's national basketball team in the 2004 Summer Olympics?

Created by SMSpivey (talk). Self nom at 07:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook should include a link to the named article; how about:

ALT1: ... that Itoro Umoh-Coleman was one of two Hephzibah High School alumni to play on the Nigerian women's national basketball team in the 2004 Summer Olympics? Gonzonoir (talk) 12:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- yea, whoops, this was my first DYK nom. Should alumni be changed to alumnae in the alt since both players are female (I also failed at Latin pluralization)? SMSpivey (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think the most common practice today is to say "alumni" regardless of sex, though likely this will excite pedantry. To avoid the Fourth Punic War, why not just say "graduates"?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As a comprehensive-educated hero of the proletariat with all the Latin knowledge a person can glean from watching Rome, I endorse "graduates" :) Gonzonoir (talk) 16:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, there are probably a few others that even proles will recognise such as viz and scrotum. SpinningSpark 17:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a malfunctioning script from the word "two". Art LaPella (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 2, sans Latin:... that Itoro Umoh-Coleman was one of two Hephzibah High School graduates to play on the Nigerian women's national basketball team in the 2004 Summer Olympics? SMSpivey (talk) 18:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- I am both happy and sad we have averted a Fourth Punic War. Now, I'm off to ponder... SMSpivey (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 00:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- that was when I first created the article and didn't realize I was marking it as a stub instead of placing it in an appropriate category. It is no longer tagged as a stub (hopefully). SMSpivey (talk) 00:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference verified (with ref 8). Sorry, couldn't resist adding another comment :) Shubinator (talk) 02:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vicars' Close, Wells

... that Vicars' Close, Wells is the oldest residential street in Europe?

Created by Derek Andrews (talk), Rodw (talk). Self nom at 00:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 3

Red Lemur

... that until December 2008, the Red Lemur and the Red-fronted Lemur (pictured) were considered the same species?

Created by Kennethgrima (talk). Nominated by Rlendog (talk) at 04:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Chaplin Studios

File:Jim Henson Company front gate.jpg

... that Charlie Chaplin Studios, founded in 1917 and now home to Jim Henson Productions, has a 12-foot color statue (pictured) of Kermit the Frog dressed as the "Little Tramp" above the main gate?

Created by cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jane Sterk

... that Jane Sterk joined the Green Party of British Columbia after a witnessing environmental degradation on a trip to Mexico and became the party's leader six years later?

Created/expanded by Maclean25 (talk). Self nom at 04:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Higgins

... that television writer Steve Higgins was nominated for two Emmy Awards for his work on Saturday Night Live before becoming the announcer for NBC's Late Night with Jimmy Fallon?

Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 19:00, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minshull Vernon

... that listed buildings in Minshull Vernon, Cheshire, include five canal bridges (example pictured), two aqueducts and a former privy?

ALT1... that listed buildings in Minshull Vernon, Cheshire, include five canal bridges, two aqueducts (example pictured) and a former privy?

5x expanded by Espresso Addict (talk). Self nom at 03:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Li Guangyan

... that the Tang Dynasty general Li Guangyan, while observing a three-year mourning period for his mother, did not have sexual relations with his wife?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book reference accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Equitable coloring

... that an equitable coloring of a graph, in which the numbers of vertices of each color are as nearly equal as possible, may require far more colors than a graph coloring without this constraint?

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

White as Snow (song)

... that the U2 song White as Snow was written from the perspective of a dying soldier in Afghanistan?

Created by MelicansMatkin (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could use this image in the hook. Seraphim ♥ 17:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and reference for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt ... that the U2 song White as Snow, written from the perspective of a dying soldier in Afghanistan, focuses on his last thoughts? —Mattisse (Talk) 22:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brodir and Ospak of Man

... that Brodir and Ospak of Man were two 11th century Danish brothers who fought on opposite sides at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014?

Created by Grimhelm (talk) in 2005; expanded fivefold by Grimhelm (talk) on 3 March 2009. Self nom at 14:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook reference verified. Superb article. Appropriate for St. Patrick's Day if we want to hold it over 'til then. --Boston (talk) 14:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, that's a thought. I might consider expanding one of the battle's other participants (Sigurd the Stout or Sigtrygg Silkbeard) to DYK length for the day as well. --Grimhelm (talk) 19:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you can concoct a hook incorporating two or more of these? --Boston (talk) 21:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps: ... that Brodir and Ospak of Man were two 11th century Danish brothers who fought on opposite sides at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014, for King Sigtrygg Silkbeard of Dublin and High King Brian Ború of Ireland respectively?

In any case, I have referred this to the Norse history and culture Wikiproject. We should be able to get something done on the weekend before St. Patrick's Day. --Grimhelm (talk) 15:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's a hella long hook! ALT: "... that Brodir and Ospak of Man were two 11th century Danish brothers who fought for King Sigtrygg Silkbeard of Dublin and High King of Ireland Brian Ború respectively? --Boston (talk) 02:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NB: Sigtrygg Silkbeard article hasn't been expanded yet, 1st hook only approved. --Boston (talk) 02:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Faxai (2007)

... that Tropical Storm Faxai of the 2007 Pacific typhoon season injured six people when a plane encountered severe turbulence produced by the storm?

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 12:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook reference verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Case of Fire

... that In Case of Fire, an alternative rock group from Portadown, Northern Ireland, were the opening act for the 2009 Kerrang! awards tour?

ALT1:... that In Case of Fire were the opening act for the 2009 Kerrang! awards tour supporting Bring Me the Horizon, Black Tide, Dir en Grey and Mindless Self Indulgence?

Created by Cabe6403 (talk). Self nom at 11:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently just under 1500 characters, and looking a little stubby. Is there a possibility of expansion? ∗ \ / (⁂) 13:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded with a small part on the reception of the debut single. There is possibility for expansion over the next week or so as the band gets more exposure with the release of their second single only a few days ago. In may when the album is released also there will be much more posibility to expand -- Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 14:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lourens Bass Becking

... that the biologist Lourens Bass Becking was imprisoned by the Germans for attempting to escape the occupied Netherlands, and spent his time in prison studying typhoid fever as it spread amongst the inmates?

Created by Someguy1221 (talk). Self nom at 04:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No inline citations. At the least the hook fact must be cited with an inline reference. Shubinator (talk) 04:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm new to this. Someguy1221 (talk) 04:56, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length, and newly-added references check out now. Gonzonoir (talk) 15:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HMGA2

... that HMGA2's presence is associated with poor prognosis for cancer patients, but also with sensitization of cancer cells to certain forms of radiation and chemotherapy?

5x expanded by Someguy1221 (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

3687/882 = 4.2x expansion. Shubinator (talk) 04:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HMA No. 1

... that HMA No. 1 Mayfly, Britain's first rigid airship, broke in two as a result of strong winds on 24 September 1911 before she could attempt her first flight?

Created by Red Sunset (talk). Self nom at 23:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and hook all verified. A good interesting article too :) -- Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 14:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camponotus vagus

... that in 2008, chronic bee paralysis virus was discovered in the carpenter ant Camponotus vagus (pictured)?

Created/expanded by Schuym1 (talk). Nominated by Boston (talk) at 22:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: created by User:Schuym1, 5x expansion by User:Boston --22:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)Boston (talk)[reply]

Length, date and hook source verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 03:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for approving the hook! ----Boston (talk) 04:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS Merion

... that when torpedoed in May 1915 by German submarine UB-8, SS Merion was disguised as the Royal Navy battlecruiser HMS Tiger?

Created by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 19:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book source for hook will assume good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 03:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There's also a cropped image available (without the shaking hands, text). — Bellhalla (talk) 12:19, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wendel Dietterlin

... that the architectural designs of Mannerist painter and printmaker Wendel Dietterlin (d. 1599) have been characterized as a "bizarre ornamental fantasy"? (Needs a bit more work, but I don't have the time right now. Perhaps good enough for DYK. There are many potential illustrations, but I don't know how well they work on a small scale.) Self-nom. --Hegvald (talk) 19:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, verified. Offline source accepted on good faith. DYK doesn't require much, and this article is better than many. —Mattisse (Talk) 03:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leptotrombidium

... that Leptotrombidium, a genus of mites, are the vector for scrub typhus?

5x expanded by Gak (talk). Nominated by Carlossuarez46 (talk) at 17:49, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a lay reader, I have no idea what this mean...I assume vector means "carrier" but I'm not sure. Please reword the hook to be more accessible and interesting to non-specialists. Linking "vector" (I assume to vector (biology)) would help, but I think more rewording would also be good. Also, on the side, should the genus name be italicized? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about ... that mites of the genus Leptotrombidium are carriers of Orientia tsutsugamushi, the causative pathogen for scrub typhus, and are vectors for the disease's transmission to humans? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't look at this before, but right now the article's not long enough; an article for DYK has to be at least 1500 prose characters (not counting references, formatting, etc; the easiest way to count it is to use User:Dr pda/prosesize.js.
Assuming you guys can expand it a bit, I still think the hook is a bit confusing (personally, I don't know the difference between a carrier and a vector, and if I don't know then I imagine most of the dumb dumbs reading the main page won't either), and would suggest the following truncated version:
ALT2: ... that mites of the genus Leptotrombidium are carriers of Orientia tsutsugamushi, the germ that causes scrub typhus? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hook edited to read: ALT3 ... "Leptotrombidium is a genus of harvest mites, that are able to infect humans with scrub typhus (Orientia tsutsugamushi infection) through their bite?" It is very short, I agree, and any help to expand the article would be much appreciated! --Gak (talk) 14:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I think ALT2 is clearer and more interesting. Anyway, the article is long enough now, but I'm having some difficulty understanding the second paragraph (about how the mites are not vectors). Is it supposed to be saying that an adult can't infect a human because it's already feeding on a rat, but when it gives birth then its babies might move on to a human in infect it? If so, it would be useful if you could clarify that within the article (right now it's only vaguely mentioned, through a linked jargon word that I had to click to find more information, and to be honest the Transovarial transmission article is not very helpful). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to say that I disagree with dropping "vector" from the hook. I am presuming that the only reason for doing so is that there is an objection that not everyone will understand it. The term has a precise meaning in epidemology which a rewording cannot exactly convey. Wikipedia would be a very sad encyclopedia if it only used words and terms that absolutely everyone understood (and if they understand already, why read any articles). It is especially sad as there is a perfectly good article that can be wikilinked to help anyone who needs an explanation. SpinningSpark 19:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a moot point, as the article appears to say that the mites are not vectors of this pathogen. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? What language in the article gives you that impression? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"It was originally thought that rodents were the main reservoir for O. tsutsugamushi and that the mites were merely vectors of infection: however, it is now known that the mites only feed once in their lifetime, which means that transmission from rodent to human is impossible." I read that as "it was originally thought that the mites were vectors, but now we don't think so anymore." I was under the impression that that means they're carriers, not vectors. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that means that it was originally thought that mites were the vectors, and rodents were the reservoir of the disease. It is now thought that mites are the vector and reservoir of the disease. SpinningSpark 14:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then that paragraph in the article needs to be written. If we already have two intelligent people reaching different conclusions about what it means, then it's not ready to be shown to two thousand people on the main page.
As for the vector/carrier wording in the hook....if the mite is both vector and reservoir, I don't see why it matters which term we use for the hook. As far as I know, "carrier" is the most common and easily recognizable term for the general public, and would make the best and most readable hook. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one person reaching a different conclusion in this conversation as far as I can tell. In any case, you should not be using a term in the hook that is neither in the article, in the source nor proposed by the author. SpinningSpark 16:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm simply saying, I couldn't understand the article, and we shouldn't be promoting an article that I couldn't understand. If the wording confused me, there are plenty of other people it will also confuse. It should be easy to clean up. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) I think it is a poor reason to reject an article because you are having difficulty understanding one sentence in it. I don't really know whether or not it is reasonable to change vector to carrier, but what is perfectly clear after looking at a few epidemiology text books ([2][3][4]) is that they all make a careful distinction between vector and carrier when defining terms. As you appear to have no more knowledge of the subject than me, I think it would be very unwise to make a change to a technical term as you have done in ALT2. The author has offered ALT3 which avoids using both terms so probably does not agree with your change either but does not want to say so. I think someone should review this article now for the usual requirements, I will do it myself as you do not seem willing and everyone else is steering clear. I have also taken the liberty of wikilinking "vector" in the original hook in case that is the one that is chosen. SpinningSpark 02:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~File:Symbol confirmed.svg~~ Length ok (2023), date ok, hook sources verified (2,3 and 5). SpinningSpark 02:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 is fine and article length and history are good, but the article isn't ready to be promoted until the fact is actually clear. It should be simple to clarify the text in the article, and once someone does that then I can tick it. If you disagree, then leave a message at WT:DYK asking for more input here. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have notified Gak (the article creator), so hopefully this can be cleared up soon. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you are going to go with ALT3 then the fact you think is unclear is no longer in the hook so the hook does not have a problem. There may still be improvements needed in the article but DYK does not require perfection. SpinningSpark 11:36, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ariel Meredith

... that after winning a 500-contestant modeling competition at age 14, fashion model Ariel Meredith was contacted by thirty-two prospective clients?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is that unusual? How many callbacks do winning fashion models usually get? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 17:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Although I am too sexy for my shirt, I don't know that much about modeling. The source gave the number as if it is impressive. I don't know if it is? Do you see a better hook?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 09:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 00:54, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That was an accidental artifact that I forgot to remove when I beefed up the article in response to a {{prod}}.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(alt hook)... that in 2007 The New York Times mentioned a YouTube beauty secrets video by 2009 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue model Ariel Meredith?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a huge fan of the alt...merely being "mentioned" is often not even enough to save an article from AFD, much less make an eye-catching DYK fact. I know I raised objections about the original hook (and yeah, even if it is unusual for a fashion model, I don't think it would have gotten me to click it), but it may be the best we can do; from what I can tell this is one of those people that's clearly notable by WP standards but just not that interesting nonetheless (except to people who are already into this sort of thing). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 03:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Thomas North

... that John Thomas North rose from being a Yorkshire mechanic to being worth $10 million in 1889 and becoming a friend of the Prince of Wales?
- or ... that John Thomas North held a monopoly of Chilean saltpetre and as a result became known as the "King of Nitrates"?
- or ... that John Thomas North was able to build up a monopoly of Chilean saltpetre as a result of the War of the Pacific? - new article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I much prefer the first hook. --Boston (talk) 15:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What an excellent article! Keep up the good work Dumelow. Date, length, refs, and all three hooks verified. I too prefer the first hook.Broadweighbabe (talk) 19:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That first hook contains a repetition of the word being and also has a third -ing verb shortly after that. If we stick to it, it definitely needs rewriting. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

yeah I wrote it in a bit of a hurry. How about:"... that by 1889 John Thomas North had become a friend of the Prince of Wales and was worth $10 million but was originally a Yorkshire mechanic?". Just a suggestion, there are many people better at writing than me if someone can make a better hook then we can use that - Dumelow (talk) 14:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gao Chongwen

... that the Tang Dynasty general Gao Chongwen asked to be moved from his post at Chengdu as he was illiterate and disliked the paperwork involved with governing a prosperous city?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 12:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Book source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 03:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jaydev Kenduli

Template:DYKsuggestion at 11:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that several thousand bauls, a community of wandering minstrels who sing devotional songs, assemble for the fair at Jaydev Kenduli (temple sculpture pictured) in West Bengal? Chandan Guha (talk) 11:26, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Length and date verified. Could not find reference for hook. (Much prefer the ALT1 hook!) —Mattisse (Talk) 04:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both the hooks are from the section under subhead Fair. The first hook is verifiable under reference no. 7 and the second hook under reference no. 1. Both the hooks are verifable on line. - Chandan Guha (talk) 06:47, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Length, date and source for hook verified. What does "as the bauls have been cornered by kirtanias" mean? —Mattisse (Talk) 23:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Earlier bauls dominated in numbers and popularity. Now, they are being overtaken by kirtanias, a different type of singer. What was traditionally a baul fair is becoming a kirtan fair. - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's the "being cornered" that is confusing, and the wording is straight from the source. Sounds like a football term. Maybe you could reword it in your own words. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe he needs help (he might speak some other language in India). How about "outnumbered" instead of "cornered"? Art LaPella (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Accepted, thanks - Chandan Guha (talk) 03:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Krohn

... that author Jonathan Krohn gave a two-minute speech at the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference at age thirteen?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that author Jonathan Krohn gave a two-minute speech at the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference at age thirteen? - Mgm|^(talk) 18:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I always find "wide acclaim" an empty phrase unless you are specific and provide further explanation directly after. Since there obviously isn't any room for that here, I prefer my alt hook more.=- Mgm|^(talk) 18:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 06:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Date, five-fold expansion and hook reference verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Nominations must be posted no more than five (5) days after the creation or the beginning of the expansion of each DYK candidate article.

Articles created/expanded on March 2

Joseph Alfidi

... that after a performance at the Vatican, Pope John XXIII commented that pianist Joseph Alfidi may turn out to be the next Mozart?

Created by Cvxmelody (talk). Nominated by Backslash Forwardslash (talk) at 08:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I know its about 8 hours late, but I hope this one can slip through.∗ \ / (⁂) 08:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thick-billed parrot

... that one species of the thick-billed parrots (image) was formally found in Arizona, and that attempts to reintroduce the species have failed?

5x expanded by Snowmanradio (talk), KimvdLinde (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three Orphan Kittens

... that Three Orphan Kittens was the winner of the 1935 Academy Award for Best Short Subject (Cartoons)?

5x expanded by Unscented (talk). Self nom at 00:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere Boy

... that Thomas Sangster had to learn how to play the guitar left-handed to portray Paul McCartney in the upcoming John Lennon biopic Nowhere Boy?

Created by Cedric diggory (talk), MacGyverMagic (talk). Nominated by MacGyverMagic (talk) at 10:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I listed myself as an author because I written approximately half the article to nudge it past the size requirements before it was too old (otherwise, a 5x expansion would've been needed) - Mgm|^(talk) 10:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as stub by nominator. ∗ \ / (⁂) 13:54, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've checked the assessment scale and retagged the article. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:58, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hieronymus Andreae

... that visits to the workshop of Hieronymus Andreae by Maximilian I gave rise to a Nuremberg saying "The Emperor has gone to the womens' alley again"?

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 04:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prayer Pilgrimage for Freedom

... that the 1957 Prayer Pilgrimage for Freedom not only identified Martin Luther King as a leader but also gave the organizers experience for future civil rights demonstrations in Washington, DC?

Created by ekem (talk). Self nom at 22:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congregation Mickve Israel

... that the founding members of Congregation Mickve Israel (pictured) were part of a group of Jews who arrived in Savannah, Georgia, in 1733, the same year that the colony was founded by James Oglethorpe?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added another comma after "Georgia" according to the "In geographical names" paragraph of comma. I don't really like all those commas either, but I didn't see an easy way to rephrase the hook ("1733, the same year" has to go together). Art LaPella (talk) 01:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Judson C. Clements

... that it was said of Interstate Commerce Commissioner Judson C. Clements that no opinion ever written by him had been overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court?

5x expanded by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

4956/1246 = 4.0x expansion. Please expand some more. Shubinator (talk) 00:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've expanded it. It should just make it.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion looks good now. However, the reference for the hook doesn't say anything about the hook. It seems like ref 5 is being used in too many places. Shubinator (talk) 01:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My screwup; it is fixed now. Try it again.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Expansion, history, reference, image good. Shubinator (talk) 02:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Surinamese legislative election, 2005

... that election monitors described the behaviour of the people of Suriname during the 2005 Surinamese legislative election as an example to the Caribbean?

5x expanded by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-country skiing at the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2009, Nordic combined at the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2009, Ski jumping at the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2009

File:4wiki wsc09 sjlnh.jpg

... that Germany, Norway, and the United States were the only countries at the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2009 in Liberec, Czech Republic to earn medals at all three nordic skiing disciplines (cross-country skiing, Nordic combined, and ski jumping)?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 12:51, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that the only countries to medal at all three nordic skiing disciplines (cross-country skiing, Nordic combined, ski jumping) at the FIS Nordic World Ski Championships 2009 were Germany, Norway, and the United States? Chris (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michelito Lagravere

... that child bullfighter Michelito Lagravere killed six bulls in a single fight but was refused a record by the Guinness World Records organization?

Created by Fizzmeister (talk). Nominated by MacGyverMagic (talk) at 11:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Law & Order: Criminal Intent episodes

... that the DVD boxsets of the first three seasons of Law & Order: Criminal Intent were released out of chronological order to encourage viewers to watch season 4 which was about to premiere on televison?

5x expanded by Matthewedwards (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Percy Tait

... that Triumph's racer and works rider Percy Tait was estimated to have clocked up over a million miles road testing Triumph motorcycles?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that motorcycle racer Percy Tait was estimated to have driven over a million miles road-testing Triumph motorcycles? --74.13.128.166 (talk) 23:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

End of the World (1931 film)

... that Abel Gance's End of the World was shortened from its three hour running time to 105 minutes on its initial release?

5x expanded by Andrzejbanas (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Mylne

... that architect and engineer William Mylne fled to North America following the collapse of his North Bridge in Edinburgh in 1772, but later returned and ran the Dublin Water Works for 15 years?

Created by Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Self nom at 13:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Nies

... that Buffalo Bills punter John Nies and younger brother Eric Nies (later of MTV's The Real World fame) posed nude for photographer Bruce Weber?

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 01:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Untagged. --Boston (talk) 01:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not tagged as a stub. You're confusing this with the Kenneth John Nies article maybe? --Boston (talk) 12:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Nies was tagged as a stub at that time. After I saw your "Untagged" comment, I went back to the article and found it still tagged as a stub. I assumed you'd meant to take the stub listing off, so I did it myself. Shubinator (talk) 02:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't look on the talk page, only on the article itself. Thank you for your help. --Boston (talk) 18:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John H. Marble

... that Interstate Commerce Commissioner John H. Marble died in 1913 following an attack of acute indigestion after only eight months in office?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 09:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems in order. Hook is all right, but I can't think of a more exciting one. Let's try though:

ALT1: "... that prior to his appointment as Interstate Commerce Commissioner, John H. Marble helped unseat a Senator?" NuclearWarfare _(Talk) 22:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either one is OK with me. I rather thought the hook of a guy dying of apparent indigestion was fairly dramatic, but either is OK.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pixiv

... that Pixiv is a Japanese online community for artists, which as of February 2009 consists of over 600,000 members, and 3 million submissions?

Created by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 09:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Billings

... that American baritone James Billings has portrayed more than 175 opera roles on stage during his long career?

Created by nrswanson (talk). Self nom at 04:16, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Creation date should probably be listed as March 1, but that does not impact eligibility. Rlendog (talk) 05:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Five Fingers

... that the 1959 NBC series Five Fingers features David Hedison as an American counterintelligence officer in the Cold War who poses as a theatrical agent to investigate communist activities in Europe?

new article by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Selwyn Biggs

... that Selwyn Biggs twice fought the Barbarians but was described as a 'fast, good dodger'?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Nominated by Ww2censor (talk) at 23:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

April Fools Day, I assume?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that after two Barbaric encounters Selwyn Biggs found himself carded along with 19 other players?

That may actually work as an April fool? FruitMonkey (talk) 13:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 1

Jost de Negker

... that Jost de Negker cut a chiaroscuro woodcut with seven different colour-blocks, a record number for a German Renaissance print?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 04:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Using User:Dr pda/prosesize.js, I got 591 -> 2877 =4.86x expansion. ∗ \ / (⁂) 00:19, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added - is well over now. Johnbod (talk) 00:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; offline source accepted in good faith. Awadewit (talk) 14:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Karnataka Bank

... that the Karnataka Bank was awarded the Sun and NDTV Green IT awards by Sun Microsystems and NDTV as a part of the Sun Technovate '08 event in recognition of the bank's usage of earth-friendly technologies?

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (Ravichandar84|talk), Acad Ronin (Acad Ronin|talk). Nominated by Ravichandar84 (talk) at 11:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Expanded five-foldThe Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 11:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as stub. ∗ \ / (⁂) 13:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It was tagged as "stub" before the expansion was actually made as is evident from the article history. It wasn't assessed after 5x expansion.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 17:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This article is nowhere near ready for DYK. The article is missing current financial details, and the bulk of the article consists of boilerplate from the bank's articles of association. This material is in no way noteworthy. Acad Ronin (talk) 14:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

* If the material is not noteworthy, you could've tagged it for deletion, right. Else, you atleast put a notability tag on the article, then bragging about it here. Well, I'll do it for you straightaway. -The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 16:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is fine, if not yet ready for DYK. What is not worthy of inclusion is the material about the bank's objectives.

User:Acad Ronin, I simply don't understand what you are trying to say. You had neither tagged the article for issues, nor do you improve the material which you feel is deficient. You could very well have deleted the stuff if you feel it does not belong there. On the contrary, you tell me that the material is not good enough and that yet you had abstained from deleting it as if you are doing me a favour. And three days later, you raise the same issues here when I nominate it for a DYK -The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 17:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Calm! No need to bicker over why it hasn't been improved. Generally hooks will stay one or two days on this page after they expire in the chance that they will become eligible. If you can find someone to rate the article, and work on a few of the issues Acid Ronin brought up, there is no hassle. ∗ \ / (⁂) 22:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's what I am trying to say! I feel Acad Ronin was exaggerating things here by saying that the article was "nowhere ready for a DYK". What is wrong in mentioning the bank's stated objectives? I don't think that's material that needs to be deleted. -The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 02:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think the article is ready now. The article has been expanded from 1,383 bytes to 7,013 bytes; I guess that's a five-fold expansion even without "Objectives" section which has been removed.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 03:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now, the next step. I request someone here to reassess the article. I do not want to assess it myself as I am one of the people who edited that article.-The Enforcer_{Office of the secret service} 03:54, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pelorus Sound

... that most farms that export aquaculture from New Zealand are in Pelorus Sound?

5x expanded by WavyGeek (talk), Geronimo20 (talk). Nominated by Geronimo20 (talk) at 09:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've already found one example of plagiarism in this article - see Talk:Pelorus Sound. The rest of the article should be thoroughly checked. Awadewit (talk) 14:31, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KCET Studios

... that KCET Studios (pictured), where "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" was filmed, is the longest continuously-producing studio in Hollywood?

Created by cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "longest-continuously-producing studio" fact is sourced to two sources, this site, which is run by Gary, who seems to just be a guy interested in celebrities (fails to meet WP:SPS) and a story from the LA Times in the 1970s. I didn't see the fact in the story. Awadewit (talk) 14:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sheldon Manor

... that Sheldon Manor, a Grade I listed building (pictured), is Wiltshire's longest continuously inhabited manor house?

Created/expanded by Rodhullandemu (talk). Self nom at 16:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and source verified. Awadewit (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ice hockey at the Olympic Games

The gold medal-winning Winnipeg Falcons (representing Canada) taken en route to the 1920 Summer Olympics.

... that prior to the creation of the Winter Olympics, an ice hockey tournament was held at the 1920 Summer Olympics? (Gold medal winning team pictured)

5x expanded by Scorpion0422 (talk). Self nom at 13:21, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I started expansion on March 1 when it had roughly less than 2000 characters of actual prose. Now the history section alone is more than 20000. There are several alternate hooks that could be used:

... that the Olympic Games ice hockey tournaments held between 1920 and 1968 are also considered the Ice Hockey World Championships for that year?
... that prior to 2006, neither the Canadian or American national women's ice hockey teams had lost an Olympic ice hockey game to any nation other than each other?
... that Canada withdrew from Winter Olympics ice hockey tournaments in 1972 and 1976 because they were not allowed to use professional players?
... that the 2010 Winter Olympics ice hockey tournament will be the first time that Olympic hockey games are played on a narrower, National Hockey League-sized ice rink?

... that Finnish centre Raimo Helminen (pictured) has played in a record six Winter Olympic ice hockey tournaments?

And probably a lot more. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yakub Hasan Sait

... that businessman and politician Yakub Hasan Sait who served as the Minister of Public Works for the Madras Presidency from 1937 to 1939 was a native of Nagpur and a former member of the All India Muslim League?

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 07:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history, and source verified. The book on which the article is based is quite interesting. There seems to be a lot more material to draw on for the article. I started reading and became immersed for a while. Fascinating stuff! Awadewit (talk) 15:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

T. S. S. Rajan

- ... that Indian freedom fighter T. S. S. Rajan practised as a doctor in Burma and England before being appointed as the Minister for Health and Religious Endowments of the Madras Presidency?

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Detroit Tigers Opening Day starting pitchers, Josh Billings (pitcher)

... that Josh Billings was the Tigers Opening Day starting pitcher in 1928, despite being only 20 years old and having only won five Major League baseball games prior to the season?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Patrick Daly

... that in the late 1800s, Charles Patrick Daly, past-president of the American Geographical Society, was also Chief Justice of the New York Court of Common Pleas?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that in the late 1800s, Charles Patrick Daly, president of the American Geographical Society, was also Chief Justice of the New York Court of Common Pleas? (He held both office simultaneously, so "past-president" is misleading.) Rosiestep (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire (1066–1539)

... that of the 200+ Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire over half date from the medieval period and the largest number of these are moats or moated sites (Hulme Hall moat pictured)? Created and self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC). [reply]

Alt: "... that there are over 100 Scheduled Monuments in Cheshire dating from 1066 to 1539, including castles, monasteries, halls, and medieval crosses (Woodhey Cross pictured)?" Perhaps a bit more interesting than vaguely saying "from the medieval period". A picture could go with either hook as well. Nev1 (talk) 23:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 2: ... that the medieval scheduled monuments of Cheshire include 53 moats, 26 crosses (example pictured), eleven castles and six deserted villages?

Alt 3: ... that the medieval scheduled monuments of Cheshire include 53 moats, 26 crosses, eleven castles (example pictured) and six deserted villages?

Espresso Addict (talk) 11:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rhena Schweitzer Miller, David C. Miller

... that Rhena Scheitzer, Albert Schweitzer's only child, married David C. Miller, a doctor who cared for her father, and the couple traveled around the world offering aid to victims of famine and war?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indrella ampulla

... that the colorful land snail Indrella ampulla (pictured) lives only in the rainforests of the Western Ghats, in India?

Created by Invertzoo (talk), Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 14:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wu Yuanji

... that, believing that his staff member Yang Yuanqing had betrayed him, the Tang Dynasty warlord Wu Yuanji executed Yang's wife and four sons and used their blood to paint the archery range?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 05:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination can be merged into the one for Li Su above if appropriate. --Nlu (talk) 06:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Olorgesailie

... that abundant handaxes about 900,000 years old found at Olorgesailie in southern Kenya were used for animal butchering?

... that Italian prisoners of war (under parole) helped archaelogists Mary and Louis Leakey excavate the Olorgesailie site in Kenya during World War II?

Created by Clarityfiend (talk). Nominated by Julia Rossi (talk) at 02:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as a stub by the creator. Shubinator (talk) 01:12, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It's longer than that by now afaik. Removing stub tag, unless there's a problem with that. Julia Rossi (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, the tag was not on the article, but on the talk page. Now start class. Cheers, Julia Rossi (talk) 09:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard C. Mangrum

... that in October 1965, Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps LtGen Richard C. Mangrum, Navy Cross recipient at Guadalcanal (1942), became the first Marine to be the "Gray Eagle" of Naval aviation?

Created/expanded by ERcheck (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Comment: 199 characters— ERcheck (talk) 00:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt: ... that in October 1965, LtGen Richard C. Mangrum, Navy Cross recipient, became the first Marine to be the "Gray Eagle" of Naval aviation? Alternate option provided by TARTARUS ^talk 00:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now 662 char. Still needs around 900 lines of text to hit 1500. ResMar 20:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect — it is 662 words &mdash it is well over 3000 characters. It is "characters", not words for the length selection criterion. — ERcheck (talk) 15:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John K. Tener

... that Governor John K. Tener of Pennsylvania was a former baseball player who once explained the game baseball to the future King George V of the United Kingdom?

5x expanded by Tasty Poutine (talk). Self nom at 00:17, 2 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

I removed the unexplained question mark before "Governor". (Also, to conform to our usual hook format rules, I linked the article and added a question mark at the end.) Art LaPella (talk) 00:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Brand

... that Samuel Brand, a survivor of the Buchenwald concentration camp in Nazi Germany, was officially the first immigrant to enter Israel after its creation?

Created/expanded by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 1 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Smith Clove Meetinghouse

Two possibilities:

... that Smith Clove Meetinghouse in Highland Mills, New York, (pictured) is the oldest religious building in the town and village of Woodbury?

... that to avoid possible confiscation of the property, several member families of the Highland Mills, New York, Quaker meeting held title to their meeting house (pictured) for most of the 19th century? Self-nom, body text expanded 5x by me. Daniel Case (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hobcaw Barony

... that President Roosevelt took a month-long working vacation in spring 1944 during World War II at Bernard Baruch's Hobcaw Barony near Georgetown, South Carolina?

ALT1: ... that Winston Churchill and his daughter, Diana, visited Bernard Baruch's Hobcaw Barony near Georgetown, South Carolina?

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 14:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Comment: The online references say that both Roosevelt and Churchill visited. Baruch's books, which are not online, give the details.KudzuVine (talk) 14:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history and references verified. Daniel Case (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Volunteer Protection Act

... that the federal Volunteer Protection Act of 1997 provides protection against legal liability for volunteers who serve nonprofits or government programs?

Created by SixBlueFish (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged this article with {{cleanup-essay}}, as it reads more like a paper than an encyclopedia article. Daniel Case (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - note the section headers, "Introduction", "General", "Detailed analysis of the act", etc. in addition to sentences such as "For instance, suppose a volunteer --Vicki Volunteer, let us say-- loves dogs and works for free in her local animal shelter, a community nonprofit organization." Awadewit (talk) 13:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on February 28

Hans Lützelburger

... that the German Renaissance cutter of woodcuts Hans Lützelburger cut a print showing himself and the artist nearly naked?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 04:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as stub. ∗ \ / (⁂) 00:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone kindly beat me to de-stubbing it. Johnbod (talk) 00:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; offline ref accepted in good faith. Awadewit (talk) 14:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La princesse jaune

... that although La princesse jaune is the third opera that Saint-Saëns’ composed, it was his first opera to actually be mounted on the stage?

ALT1: =... that the Japanese theme in Saint-Saëns’ opera La princesse jaune was chosen to appeal to the vogue for all things Japan in French society during the late 19th century?

Created by nrswanson (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As with Le timbre d’argent below, inline citations are needed after the hook sentences. Length/history confirmed. I prefer the ALT hook, which introduces readers to interesting info about the Japonism movement. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source verified and inline citation added after alt hook, which I also think is better. Awadewit (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Le timbre d’argent

... that the librettists for Saint-Saëns's Le timbre d’argent, Jules Barbier and Michel Carré, also wrote the librettos for Gounod’s Faust and Offenbach’s Les contes d'Hoffmann?

Created by nrswanson (talk). Self nom at 02:01, 2 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Length and history are fine. A citation is needed after the hook sentence; I presume the Macdonald ref is used to cover the whole paragraph. Apart from the cast list, the article relies on one source; are there any more available? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:31, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source verified and citation added. There are other sources available. For example, a bit on reception could be added using this book and I assume at least a few sentences could be gleaned from a Saint-Saens biography (but none of those are easily available online). Awadewit (talk) 13:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Balla Fasséké

... that Balla Fasséké was Sundiata Keita's griot and that he is considered first griot and the founder of the Kouyaté line of griots that exists to this day?

Created by Download (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Tagged with an "under construction" tag: the article appears to be under preparation. I'd prefer to see more robust sources as well: the two being used to verify the hook are intended for a schools/teenage audience. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These are both self-published sources, which do not seem to meet our policy. As the policy states, "Self-published material may, in some circumstances, be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. However, caution should be exercised when using such sources: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else is likely to have done so." Awadewit (talk) 13:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geer tube

... that Technicolor spent enormous sums developing the Geer tube, an early color television system, but were never able to get it to market?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC) [reply]

There are a lot of cases of companies spending millions to develop products which are ultimately scrapped. Daniel Case (talk) 19:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Les Harris (businessman)

Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 13:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Length and time frame verified. Not clear if hook reference http://www.sorenwinslow.com/TriumphMotorcycles.asp is a reliable source. —Mattisse (Talk) 03:55, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded for Saint Patrick's Day 2009 (March 17)

Garda ar Lár

... that the Irish TV series Garda ar Lár focused on an incident which preceded Minister for Defence Paddy Donegan's "thundering disgrace" remarks and President Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh's resignation? (new article, self-nom, with the President's pic) --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 00:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Thundering disgrace" is tagged with {{fact}}. Daniel Case (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved with a number of different sources (just in case). Thank you for not giving it a delete vote. --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 21:32, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Want to hold this over for Lá Fhéile Pádraig? --Boston (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there aren't enough, yes... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 23:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to holding pen. ∗ \ / (⁂) 00:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the Street Where You Live (TV series)

... that the TV documentary series On the Street Where You Live featured contributions from locals, historians and the Grand Marshall of the 2008 Saint Patrick's Day parade in Kilkenny? (new article, self-nom) --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 21:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I discovered a Saint Patrick's Day connection here so I thought it would be appropriate... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 21:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - This is the link that mentions it. --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 22:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the Name of the Grandfather

... that The Simpsons episode "In the Name of the Grandfather" is scheduled to debut March 17 on Sky One and will be the first episode of the show to air in Europe before airing in the United States? (new article, self-nom) -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a episode that will air on St. Patrick's day in Ireland and will be Irish themed (whether or not it will be SPD-themed is yet to be seen), so I thought it belonged here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Just after hearing of this and was going to do it if it hadn't already been done – and give this exact hook – it's perfect for the day! :D --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 09:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Perhaps specify "will air on St. Patrick's Day in Ireland before the United States?" or else say "... premiering on St. Patrick's Day 2009 in Ireland, The Simpsons episode "In the Name of the Grandfather" features a visit to Blarney Castle?" --Boston (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Really? Is Blarney Castle all that eye-catching from a non-Irish perspective? Isn't this the one with Glen Hansard? Or has everyone forgotten him already? Very hard to keep up with the latest trends... I had him inserted into a DYK hook myself only a few weeks ago... also bear in mind that when this goes on the Main Page it should read "today". It would be wonderful if we could co-ordinate it to say "airing right now"! :D --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 04:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I had no idea who Glen Hansard is before clicking his link. I figured Blarney Castle was a relatively general reference since the word blarney has entered the English language. I could also easily expand the Blarney Castle article 5x so we could "dark link" Blarney Castle. Just suggestions. --Boston (talk) 04:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Oh well... :( I had better get him to GA quick as he's a possible popular search topic for that day – and his current article leaves a lot to be desired. I see the point about Blarney Castle... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 16:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        The episode hasn't been officially announced through Fox's publicity website yet, so I'm not sure who is guest starring in the final version. A year ago, the EP said Kenneth Branagh would guest star as the pub owner, but recent interviews have said Colm Meaney, and none have said anything new about Hansard/Irglova. Once there is an official press release, the hook could include mention of the guest stars. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Maybe...but that means this by Hot Press (who are usually correct about these things) is wrong... --Candlewicke _S^T_# :) 19:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Patterson

... that on St. Patrick's Day 1988, Frank Patterson became the first Irish singer to host his own programme at New York's famous Radio City Music Hall?

Created/expanded by Cottonshirt (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Comment: It's mentioned twice in the article, once in the lead with further detail later, both have inline citations.Cottonshirt τ 05:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Currently tagged as stub. ∗ \ / (⁂) 23:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: it has be reassessed for the Ireland WikiProject as a C-class article. ww2censor (talk) 20:32, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Bulger

... that eighty years ago Fat Cupid died on St. Patrick's Day?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Nominated by Ww2censor (talk) at 22:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded for April Fool's Day 2009 (April 1)

Please suggest hooks at Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know, not here. Royalbroil 14:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]