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Pillar Project Draft

Thank you Robert McClenon for the review. I will be working on revising the draft. Thank you allowing wider participation in the construction of the page. Feel free to comment on the talk page. Thank you again. Anic xx (talk) 04:06, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

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ArbCom

Another year is drawing to a close and Arbcom elections are around the corner. It would seem to be right down your alley and I hope you'll consider running. best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 14:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Carrite - Hmmm. Are you suggesting that I run for ArbCom? It is worth considering. Interestingly, it only requires a plurality, as opposed to a vaguely defined consensus. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm actually surprised you haven't run sooner. best, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Robert, I know my credibility is no longer existent, but I'd like to second Carrite that you take a shot at running for ArbCom. Best, Alex Shih (talk) 09:42, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Carrite, User:Alex Shih - It looks as though you didn't tell me what the dates were and I missed the date. Hmmm. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry Robert, I sent the previous message during the self nomination period, so I guess it completely skipped my mind. Alex Shih (talk) 01:05, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• Might wanna run for Administrator first. (I actually didn't realize that you weren't one...) Carrite (talk) 02:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I also thought he was one. Saw an early RfA failure, muttered a few encouragements, and was seriously disturbed by the opposition in the recent RfA2. Robert wrote an intelligent response somewhere. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:18, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia "experiments"

Hi Robert. A link from WP:COIN lead me to the discussion about this incredible incident at ANI, in which you were involved. I am horrified that unsuspecting editors are used as guinea pigs in others' experiments on human behaviour. Sadly, this is not the first time this has happened... see User talk:Dr.XXXX and User talk:Raineym13. I'm sure there are others.

I fully support a new amendment to WP:NOT along the lines of "Wikipedia is not a laboratory". If you know a way to initiate discussion and future action on such a policy change, I would be willing to help however I can. Enough is enough! --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:27, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Drm310 - I will initiate discussion at Village pump before taking it to What Wikipedia is not. Yes. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:59, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, scribble up a rough draft in a sandbox or something and let us know, so the we can help dot all the i's and cross all the t's ready for submission to have it added to What WP is not. Going by the amount of verbiage and differing views brought up, the WP community needs a focal point in order to improve this part of WP policy. Aspro (talk) 10:50, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm down to try to work together a draft if you need a battle buddy. Just lemme know. GMG^talk 11:22, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

User:GreenMeansGo, User:Drm310 - The first draft is at User:Robert McClenon/NOTLAB. Comment on the talk page or edit it. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:23, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Volunteer Roll Call

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Either ways, I would like to thank you for your participation and assistance at DRN so far, and wish that you will continue contributing to the encyclopedia and assisting when available.
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User:Kostas20142 - I am actively taking part in DRN. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I know you are! Every volunteer received this message as part of a roll call. And to be honest I would not ever remove you from the list.--Kostas20142 (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Medo-Babylonian war against Assyrian Empire

Hi Robert and thanks for your message noticing me that the above article i created has been nominated for speedy deletion because this article is allegedly under section section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion. I would like to contest this nomination and followed the link you kindly posted on my page, but i have not found the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". Could you please guide me to do this ?

Thanks. Wikaviani (talk) 15:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Wikaviani - Your message is several weeks past due, but the issue has been taken care of. You created an empty placeholder. Please do not create empty placeholders. They do not serve any real purpose. I see many of them, and many of them are never filled in. I tagged it for speedy deletion as A3. You then added text to the article, all about three weeks ago. The speedy deletion was then declined by an administrator and the tag, which includes the button, were removed. The article is there, and has not been deleted. I suggest that you ask for advice as a new editor at the Teahouse; however, your effort at creating an article succeeded. I suggest that you edit Assyria and Neo-Assyrian Empire to provide links from these articles to your article on the war that ended the empire. Again, please do not create empty articles. If you want to build articles piece-by-piece, you may do so in draft space or user space; if you need advice on how to do that, just ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Also, if the article on Assyria is blanked again, it is more vandalism, and restoring the article, which is being vandalized, will be appreciated. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your explanations.

I apologize for the inconvenience I caused by my creation of an empty placeholder.

When I'll have a little time, i'll try to follow your advices and edit the above articles.

Wikaviani (talk) 17:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

ANI Seraphim System

Replying to question to question diff with question by Robert McClenon in closed ANI on Rfc by @Seraphim System:. I think a TBAN for Turkey related and ARBPIA is in order for multiple NPA against several editors (in the ANI itself!), attempted outing, and disruptive editing / refusing to drop the stick. Threats of retirement are not always carried out.Icewhiz (talk) 04:15, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Icewhiz - If you want to propose this, do it at WP:AN. I agree that threats of retirement by combative editors are usually really threats to disappear for a period of time and come back. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you mean ANI, but I will drop the stick for now (I dropped a line here due to the direct question right before closure of that really long winded thread). Thanks.Icewhiz (talk) 10:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Icewhiz - I meant WP:AN, which is used for, among other things, sanction discussions that are not in response to a particular incident. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

New DRN Volunteer

Do you find this new volunteer's (Abir Babu) participation in the process to seem provocative and not aimed at dispute resolution? Especially this edit. The user just registered yesterday and seems to have some vested interest in the topic. Thoughts? Nihlus 00:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - Yes. We agree. You deleted the inappropriate volunteer note, and I changed the status of the editor to a participant. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - It is even worse than it seems. That editor is asking a lot of questions, some of them stupid, some of them about how to right great wrongs, and has cleaned their talk page of admonitions. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, add onto that the already renaming and it just comes off as weird. I have a few admins watching, so I'm sure they will take action if they see something. Nihlus 22:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - Yes. Some of the editors whom he dumped the list of stupid questions on are admins. He also seems to have a conspiratorial view about how particular admins have ownership of particular articles, and so he wants to know how to find out which admins own which articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:53, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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Asking assistance for Wiki editing

Long list of questions that were asked in multiple places.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Hi, there, sorry about the DRN case. I though I could fix up the issue by giving a quick ruling. Usually, I don't like much waiting and time wasting. I thought I could give a ruling like a judge. Now it appears as I can't. Anyway, could you assist me with some information? 1. Since the parties are not obligated to comply with the advise of DRN moderator, what's the solution when someone is sure that the other parties are not going to agree with him anyway and a ruling from a judge is essential. I am sure DRN is not an option in this case. Could "Mediation" be an option? Is any user, even an administrator obligated to comply with the advise of Mediation Committee? If not, then is "Arbitration" an option? Is any user, even an administrator obligated to comply with the advise of Arbitration Committee? 2. What’s the difference between Dispute Resolution Noticeboard and a specialized noticeboard such as “Fringe theory noticeboard”? I know specialized noticeboards are subject specific. But my question is that whether the moderators in “Fringe theory noticeboard” are only administrators or general users as well? If there are general users as well, how can I become a fringe theory noticeboard volunteer? Do I need to list my username anywhere and/or add any template in my user page? 3. When I am in a dispute with a couple of admins in a Wikipedia page, what’s the process of reporting those abusive admins. Let’s say, the admins are reverting any edit that is against their personal views and beliefs. And those admins need to be removed from the page. The Wikipedia manual says as admins can be removed through a dispute resolution process. But it doesn’t explain how. Because DRN moderator or Mediation committee may not be able to remove an administrator. So, if an user is in dispute with administrators, should he directly file a case to Arbitration Committee? 4. How can I add a new section and subsection to a Wiki article and remove an existing section from a Wiki article in visual editor? 5. I found that some contributions are deleted from “History” page of an article. So how to delete a contribution and who can do it? 6. Wiki policy states as I should not copy contents from other websites and should rather write my own contents. But what if the contents are open source contents? Can I directly copy those in Wikipedia? Are online news posts open source, including the images in the news? Can I use these texts and images in Wikipedia without editing? Can I copy and paste statements of medical national and international organizations in Wikipedia without editing? 7. Where to find images for a Wikiedia article if the image is not already available in Wikimedia? Are the images collected from news posts open source? And many sites don't have their images copyrighted. Do those images qualify as open source? When I upload an image, Wikipedia asks for copyright information. I have no idea what information to provide? What info should I provide if the image is in open source? And if the image is owned by me? Wikipedia asks me to contact the copyright holder and ask them for copyright information for the image. But some websites don't have "Contact us" section, some other sites are unresponsive when they are contacted, and even when I contact a website owner, he may not be able to provide me copyright information as the images are not copyrighted. So what information to provide Wikipedia in such a case? How do Wikipedia verify if the images are already copyrighted or not. If I claim to be granted permission for reuse from the copyright holder, how does Wikipedia verify the copyright holder has actually granted me permission for reuse of the copyrighted content? 8. How to add videos to a Wikipedia article? Do I need to provide copyright information for a video available in Youtube? Are there other policies on videos such as policies for graphic videos? 9. When I create a new article, how do I save my private draft for the article. If I click on "Save", the draft will become public and will be accessible for anyone. But I like it to be private. Is it possible. Furthermore, when I edit on an existing article, is there a way I can save my edits as a draft before publishing? It is an essential function. Because some posts may be very long and will take a long time to write. So, my unsaved works can be lost if browser tab is closed or if the texts are accidentally selected and deleted. So saving draft is essential. 10. Where can I save the usernames of my co-writers in my Wikipedia account like a phone book? I can't memorize the usernames of every persons. Thus, I need to have a phone book when the usernames will be saved in the respective categories. 11. How can I be connected with the community to improve each Wikipedia article? I know each important article is being monitored by some administrators. But how do I know which administrators is monitoring a page so that I can discuss with them about improving the article? How to get connected with the community for editing articles? I heard that communication is important here. But how? Everyone is stranger here. Whom to contact among these random people? 12. What’s the use of pending changes reviewing by administrators and “pending change reviewers”? As much as I know anyone can revert another user’s edit. In that case, what will change if an edit is approved by an administrator or a “Pending changes reviewer”? Will other users be unable to revert the edit back then? If not, then what’s the use of pending changes reviewing? Furthermore, how do the users know an edit has been approved by a administrator or a pending changes reviewers? Will the approval appear anywhere such as in the “History” page? 13. What’s the requirement and process for becoming a pending changes reviewer? Can anyone become a pending changes reviewer? Abir Babu (talk) 09:32, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Reply to Long List of Questions

User:Abir Babu - I find your list of questions, as well as the matter that preceded it, to be troubling in a few ways. First, the original problem is that you, as a very new editor, came to a noticeboard that has its own rules, and went ahead and acted in a way that is contrary to those rulings. In particular, although our guidelines state that we do not act as judges, you decided to act as a judge. The most charitable explanation is that you are being impatient and want to accomplish things quickly. You are a new editor. Learn more about Wikipedia before getting involved in its disputes. In Wikipedia, there is no deadline. Second, you ask how to report abusive administrators. As a very new editor, you should not be concluding immediately that administrators are being abusive. Third, you ask how to become a pending changes reviewer. You aren't ready to become a pending changes reviewer. Fourth, some of your questions, such as about specialized noticeboards, can be answered by reading the guidelines at those noticeboards.

Some of your questions are reasonable questions for a new editor to ask of more experienced editors. I suggest that you ask this list, or a subset of it, at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I have been learning Wikipedia now. And I will be researching on some topics. I do like to discuss with people. That's why I sent some questions to multiple users in their talk pages. As not all of them are expected to answer, I sent the questions to multiple users, and then stopped sending the questions. In some days, I will become more experienced. As you can't answer so many questions, can you just answer a few questions that will help me:

1. Where can I save the usernames of my co-writers in my Wikipedia account like a phone book? I can't memorize the usernames of every persons. Thus, I need to have a phone book when the usernames will be saved in the respective categories. User:Abir Babu - If you are planning to make insulting comments about them, don't do it in Wikipedia. You may use an ASCII file on the hard drive of your computer or a pad of paper. You have already seen one approach not to use. If you want to explain what you want, ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

2. How can I be connected with the community to improve each Wikipedia article? I know each important article is being monitored by some administrators. But how do I know which administrators is monitoring a page so that I can discuss with them about improving the article? How to get connected with the community for editing articles? I heard that communication is important here. But how? Everyone is stranger here. Whom to contact among these random people? User:Abir Babu - If you want to discuss improving an article, discuss it on the article talk page. That is what article talk pages are for. If you want to ask other experienced editors whether that is true, ask them at the Teahouse. Please do not continue asking me general questions on my talk page when they can be asked either in a public place such as the Teahouse or the Help Desk or at article talk pages. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

3. What’s the use of pending changes reviewing by administrators and “pending change reviewers”? As much as I know anyone can revert another user’s edit. In that case, what will change if an edit is approved by an administrator or a “Pending changes reviewer”? Will other users be unable to revert the edit back then? If not, then what’s the use of pending changes reviewing? Furthermore, how do the users know an edit has been approved by a administrator or a pending changes reviewers? Will the approval appear anywhere such as in the “History” page? User:Abir Babu - Only a very few pages have pending changes protection. Ask any questions about how pending changes protection works at the Teahouse or the Help Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Abir Babu (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Do not continue asking questions at my talk page. Ask questions about articles at article talk pages, and general questions in a public forum such as the Teahouse or the Help Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Sanity

Hi Robert. Thank you for taking the time to restore some sanity into the Ali Khamenei debacle. Your follow-up is right on the mark and your comments about the content are exemplary. Your content-related work at DRN is invaluable and very much underappreciated. Take care. Dr. K. 20:43, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Dr.K. - Although the other editor says that they do not have a language problem, it appears to me that their reply is somewhere between en-2 and en-3. Unfortunately, there isn't a noticeboard for discussing paragraphs that are incomprehensible. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:48, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Robert. I fully agree with both your comments. Thankfully, although, as you mentioned, there is no noticeboard specialising in handling incomprehensible sections, there are editors like you, who understand and care about content, and can take the time to render a professional opinion. In an imperfect world, your contribution to such cases is very valuable and very much appreciated. Thank you again. Dr. K. 21:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Oh well...

It was a nice try I guess, but it's starting to look like it might not survive 30 days. GMG^talk 13:43, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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This SPI may be of interest to you

The user ECarlisle opposed your request for adminship [[1]]. I know HughD (talk · contribs) interacted with you as part of my disputes with him related to the Ford Pinto page. I have filed an SPI [2]]. Just wanted to let you know.Springee (talk) 00:46, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Thomas Ewing French

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Clarification

Hi Robert. I am not quite sure if you were replying to me there. But I left a clarification just in case. I used the ping template, not as a reply to you, but to alert you of my comment. I hope such use of the ping template did not give you the impression I was replying to you. Needless to say, I have already expressed my appreciation and regard for your efforts at DRN, and there is absolutely no reason to change my opinion on that. Thanks. Dr. K. 00:56, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Abir Babu

Sorry, I should have given you heads up in advance. I am sure this account will come back again soon at some point. Cheers, Alex Shih (talk) 04:09, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Alex Shih - I will add comments to the SPI listing some of the characteristics that are typical of this account, and therefore presumably the master account and the human. (In this case, as is usually but not always the case, I think that there is a human behind the account.) Robert McClenon (talk) 16:31, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Geeta Arti

Hi Robert McClenon, I have updated the references as per the comment. Skdwived (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I came here to start yet another article about an author who has published multiple award-winning novels, but since you deleted the last one I put in (who has six different entire series of novels published and has been nominated for a few major awards, although he didn't get any yet), I guess I may as well not bother.

You win! No point in bothering with Wikipedia any more.

MJustice (talk) 10:35, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I have replied at User_talk:PamD#Congratulations.21 to a similar message. PamD 11:00, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Response to the baseless warning

Just leave my talkpage for ever. I have nothing to with those editors and they should leave me alone. Your warning was removed along with the sockpuppet's legal threats by the admin! I'll edit every article I like! Your warning is completely nonesense when I've already made no edit for plenty of days! --Mhhossein ^talk 06:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

No worries

I took care of that. Dr. K. 19:09, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Dr.K. I wasn't referring to the bad-faith filing against me that I have never seen. I was referring to the report that I filed against three accounts who warned Mhhossein that criticizing the leader of Iran could be punishable by prison. Those socks have been blocked, but I don't know who the master is. It appears that there may be two different unreasonable or disruptive "sides" with regard to Khamenei, one of which includes Mhhossein, and another one which is pro-government, or that one "side" is deliberately trying to cause confusion (a form of trolling, such as good hand-bad hand). Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Robert. I saw the SPI you opened, involving the three socks. That was a bizarre incident, that's for sure. In any case, I added the SPI filed against you in the same thread on GW's talkpage, because I think it is part of the ongoing sock attack. Sorry if that caused a misunderstanding. Dr. K. 20:03, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Mhhossin filed an AE against a sockpuppet:[[3]] (not because he was a sockpuppet, on 1RR grounds - which Mhhossin broke himself, but AE found ARBPIA didn't apply). User:Psychonot was determined afterwards to be a sockpuppet of a long running sockmaster - so making guesses here isn't hard.Icewhiz (talk) 20:11, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Not sure if the sock was Psychonot. Psychonot wouldn't have copied Robert's comments, as the socks did. The newest sock also opened an SPI against Robert. I don't think Psychonot would've done that. Dr. K. 20:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

But Abir Babu did copy Robert's comments. I think it was Abir Babu/Thiscrund68. Dr. K. 11:58, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Mesquite NAPB team

Please undelete Mesquite NAPB team, the league will announce the full details for the team tomorrow, http://napbasketball.com/press-releases/napb-to-announce-new-team-in-mesquite-nv/ by mistake it was deleted. Syracusestorm (talk) 02:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

User:Syracusestorm - You blanked it. Blanking a page that you created is assumed to be a request to delete it. Anyway, see sports notability guidelines as to whether it plays at a fully professional level and is considered notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

The league is notable, coaches are ex NBA players the commissioner is Dave Magley and players will be from all over the country. Mesquite will be in the Las Vegas market. Syracusestorm (talk) 02:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm unconvinced. Deb (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you

	Patience
	Dear Robert, Thank you for your direct but patient approach with me during the course of writing my first Wikipedia article, and for ultimately approving my article with an open mind and in good faith. Yours truly, Roget's Minion Roget's Minion (talk) 03:25, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Elie Wiesel

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Dispute about move review tag

Hi Robert

It's not really a big deal, but I think you may have misunderstood what the dispute at WP:DRN#Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2017 November was really about. It wasn't directly about the MRV itself, but rather that Jax 0677 was apparently unhappy with this edit, which removed the move review notice from the top of the article page in question. This has now spawned a new discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Move_review#Move_Review_tag which seems to be erring towards concluding that we shouldn't use that tag on articles at all, so the action of Jenks24 was in line with that, and also what most people regarded as common sense. Either way, it was in my opinion quite a frivolous matter to raise a DRN issue about, and so you probably weren't wrong to close it anyway. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:15, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Award, Grade 4

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		Hereby awarded to Robert McClenon for his extraordinary dedication and tireless contribution to DRN as a successful Coordinator from December 2016 to May 2017 and a ever helping volunteer since July 2014. Kostas20142 (talk) 15:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC) and Yashovardhan (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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Disruptive editing

Your continued attempts to muzzle a discussion you don't like is becoming disruptive at this point. Please do not continue it. Nihlus 20:30, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - Your efforts to continue a discussion that User:TransporterMan thought was not useful were disruptive. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

No, TM is not the judge and jury for that talk page. Nihlus 00:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello again

Robert –

I don’t know if you remember this incident back in July. [4] Anyway, User BeenAroundAwhile has returned to the Los Angeles pages of Wikipedia.

Can you please look over the Talk pages on Crenshaw, Los Angeles [5], Koreatown, Los Angeles [6], and Westlake, Los Angeles [7].

Perhaps I am seeing things wrong. I would greatly appreciate your input.

Yours, Phatblackmama (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Phatblackmama - The original issue was inserting economic qualifiers into articles, and this resulted in a short block. In looking briefly at this issue, it appears to be somewhat different, having to do with what neighborhood is in what neighborhood. I suggest that you read dispute resolution and follow one of the procedures while I research the matter further. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Phatblackmama - If the issue is between you and one other editor, I suggest asking for a Third Opinion. Another possibility would be moderated discussion at the dispute resolution noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:43, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - In the issue of Crenshaw, Los Angeles [8], he has gone against consensus - or what I thopught was consensus - as multiple users have opposed his changes. He just waits a period of time, then comes back, and re-does them. Isn't he supposed to stop? (I feel like this a game of whack-a-mole!)Phatblackmama (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - Is it possible to have an (RfC) regarding what sources are acceptable for determining boundaries of Los Angeles neighborhoods? Phatblackmama (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Phatblackmama - I do see a pattern of continuing disagreement. It isn't clear to me whether there is consensus, but I am not sure who the other editors are. Yes, it is possible to have an RFC, either regarding sources for boundaries in general, or regarding the stated boundaries for any particular neighborhood. An RFC establishes consensus. I have asked for summaries of the issues. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:45, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Conduct at Reference Desks arbitration case request archived

Hi Robert McClenon. The Conduct at Reference Desks arbitration case request, submitted 30 October 2017, has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. Thanks, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Editing Template:Deputy Chief Ministers in India

This page almost certainly should be either moved into template space or moved over an existing template. I don't think that you meant to put it in article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Editing Template:Deputy Chief Ministers in India This should be Removed since we have an alternate Template Template:Deputy Chief Ministers of Indian states. Vijeth N Bharadwaj 06:04, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Piero Operto

Hi, Piero Operto is actually dead almost 70 years ago, he's not a living person. By the way I'll try to add some reference. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 18:01, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I added some references, could you please let me know if these are enough? The fact is that they didn't write much about him in english language, due to his young age when he's dead. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Charlie Foxtrot66 - I am satisfied, and have removed the tag. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I'm glad that the issue is solved :-) By the way is my intention to improve the article, adding a picture, some more info and some more reference too, if I'll find them. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 18:32, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Re: Dispute resolution re: Unite The Right Rally

I really appreciate your input on the case.

Despite yourself and ProgrammingGeek attempting to resolve the issue, the user 'Nihlus' has chosen to close the board and exclusively reprimand me for supposedly not listening to others and not adhering to established consensus, when the entire drift of my filing was that the only apparent consensus in talk consisted of three users either refusing to respond or engaging in what would otherwise be clearly regarded as WP:TE.

I would ask what you would recommend as a next course of action. You mentioned formal mediation, others frequently mention RfC, but given my last attempt, I'm confused as to what form it would have to take to be clear and urgent, but not rejected for lack of precise protocol.

Otherwise I would just as soon give up on the site entirely if procedure like this is to be nakedly uncontroversial. Equilibrium103 (talk) 09:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Equilibrium103 - Under the circumstances, I think that a Request for Comments might be in order. RFC is the only dispute resolution procedure that is not voluntary. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

More later, maybe. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Equilibrium103: Perhaps you should have sought further clarification from me since I closed it, rather than bringing it to someone else's talk page. I greatly dislike "1 vs many" disputes appearing on the DRN, as the others are unlikely to change their mind. DRN isn't meant to be used to push your ideas onto the page without consensus; plus, RfC is more appropriate for these situations, as they allow outside voices in rather than in-fighting between the regulars of the page. Nihlus 17:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

However, I see that a previous posting of an RFC had to be deleted by an administrator because it was not worded as a proper neutral RFC. I am willing to help anyone formulate a neutrally worded RFC. Please don't try to propose an RFC in the form of a loaded question. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

If this will get nowhere, get it nowhere on the dispute resolution noticeboard talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Nihlus: That seems rather odd thing to say when you not only made your point overridingly final, but made it clear that you saw absolutely nothing of note whatsoever except for said point. It would seem an odd use of time to reject an accusation of "not listening to others" (when I exhaustively addressed every point brought to bear and was met largely with ad hominem, ad populum and ad baculum.) or continue to bring topically relevant concerns to such a person. But I'm definitely sorry if being the only one out of an extremely small sample size interested in pursuing Wikipedia policies other than WP:CON made you as pessimistic about voluntary mediation as I was. @Robert McClenon: I'm grateful for your help. Would specific reference to inclusion of the sources and text "should the following revision be included?" or a general reference to the paragraph "is the following passage acceptably NPOV?" be more likely to be received? Equilibrium103 (talk) 09:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC) But I'm definitely sorry if being the only one out of an extremely small sample size interested in pursuing Wikipedia policies other than WP:CON made you as pessimistic about voluntary mediation as I was. Comments like this reaffirm the decision I made. It is clear dispute resolution would not have worked; this is why I referred you to WP:RFC. Nihlus 14:26, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Took a break, ready to write that RFC however you see fit. Equilibrium103 (talk) 19:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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BadComedian

I will supplement it, please do not remove it, and help improve it. DENAMAX (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Re: Proposed deletion of John MacFarlane (philosopher) (JGM)

JGM meets the notability criterion for academics due to having a decent number of relatively high impact publications (ten articles with over 100 citations, which is high impact in philosophy, and one book with a reputable publisher). I contest the PROD. — Charles Stewart (talk) 14:07, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

His OUP book has been extensively and positively reviewed: I take it these reviews, as they occur in reputable journals, count as reliable sources. Thus I have removed the PROD notice. — Charles Stewart (talk) 15:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Chalst - A regular PROD does not have to be contested because it can simply be removed. This was a regular PROD, and you removed it properly, and besides addressed my reason by improving the article to establish his notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:20, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Introducing:Miistermagico

Dear Robert McClenon, Please examine my user page. I hope it meets your approval. If it does please include an entry there. Thank you, Miistermagico Miistermagico (talk) 18:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

20:12:04, 16 November 2017 review of submission by A.w.i.au

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  • Draft:Health Ecosystem (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello! Thanking for reviewing. Would you please give me some feedbacks on how to write the article like a encyclopaedia entry.

User:A.w.i.au - I suggest that you ask for assistance in rewording the article at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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hello, I see that you declined my submission because the content reads as an advertisement. I understand the concerns and thought to tread lightly when considering the content I added to the page however this is a very contemporary literary source. I used the Wikipedia guidelines and the already existing Wikipedia page for This Bridge Called My Back as inspiration for the content that I included. Also because of this work's recent publication there are not many published scholarly reviews of the text

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17:00:16, 17 November 2017 review of submission by C.E. Graves

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Dear Robert McClenon,

Thanks very much for the speedy review of my submission and for the comments you made. I have done as you suggested and have posted the revised submission on th existing Jorge Piqueras stub. Please let me know if I have shortened the lists enough. (I have cut them by about half.)

I decided to work first in English, but am also translating the submission into Spanish for posting on the existing Spanish page. Is there anything I should keep in mind before doing so?

Thanks for your help.C.E. Graves (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

User:C.E. Graves - You did a reasonable job of expanding the existing stub into a more nearly complete article. I don't have any advice about translating the article into Spanish for the Spanish Wikipedia, and don't know whether you should ask for help at the Teahouse, but you might do better to find the Help Desk or welcome center for the Spanish Wikipedia and ask them for advice. Any language version of Wikipedia has its own rules and practices that are not necessarily the same as those here in the English Wikipedia. Thank you for expanding a stub into a reasonable article. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Robert. We worked very hard to put together the information for this page. I worked with the Peruvian art critic Jorge Villacorta, who is writing a book on Jorge Piqueras. Could you let us know what would be needed to make the article complete - that is, of course, the goal. Meanwhile, we will work with the Spanish Wikipedia on posting the Spanish version. Thanks again.C.E. Graves (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

PS Shouldn't this notice be removed now from the top of the page? " This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in Spanish. (February 2011) Click [show] for important translation instructions. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by C.E. Graves (talk • contribs) 11:37, 18 November 2017 (UTC) C.E. Graves (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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Please advise on improving a draft. Thanks!

Dear Robert,

Since I am new to creating contents on Wikipedia, I am not very well-versed as other users. Since the decline of the first draft, I have made some revisions on "Health Ecosystem". Would you please kindly give me some feedback on what to improve?

Here is the link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Health_Ecosystem

Thanks!

Yours sincerely, a.w.i.au — Preceding unsigned comment added by A.w.i.au (talk • contribs) 12:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

External link at Carleton Knights football

Hi Robert,

I wasn't trying to forum shop, I really don't know what to do and the system for resolving disputes is byzantine. The noticeboard says start here for any disputes. I hope your decision to close is not with prejudice. It was suggested to me to try dispute resolution and Beetstra agreed, so I filed it. There is no formal admin closure at the EL noticeboard, I requested a general admin closure, so I guess I'll have to wait on that. I will try the Village Pump on the overall policy. But for the specific dispute with Beetstra, would WP:3O be an option or are there too many people invovled? Thank you. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 15:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

User:Mnnlaxer - There are definitely too many editors for Third Opinion. In general, if you file a dispute at a noticeboard, you are agreeing to have it decided there, and the external links noticeboard is a reasonable place, and it is where you filed it. I don't have a specific suggestion about the lack of closure; if all else fails, a bot will archive the thread. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. - Mnnlaxer | talk | stalk 16:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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Deprod No Activity (U.S. TV Series)

Hi

I deprodded as it is a current series airing on CBS (notability and whatnot etc.).

Admittedly it is need of improvement, and if there is none over the next week ...

The info box is accurate and completed, and it really is barely a stub at present - but deletion seems a little much

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

I forgot to say, you may have missed that the whole of the article is was plagiarised from the CBS page.

Literally the WHOLE of the article is just copy paste! This should have been blanked with a plagiarism notice on it, or instantly deleted

I have instead heavily reduced the text and removed ALL plagiarism :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 13:10, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

ssangeertha

hi i have two wiki accounts can i delete one account? i create a wiki article for an indian television actor puviarasu but its save as draft page so i create ones more time unfortunately there are five article save in same informations in that there are 3 draft article and 2 article include but i want delete 4 article what can i do for delete? can you help me to delete those article?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SSangeertha (talk • contribs) 08:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC) 

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User:Tikuko - It wasn't my draft. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Request on 08:52:05, 11 December 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Human Right and Islam

• Human Right and Islam (talk · contribs)
  • User:Human Right and Islam/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Respected Sir/Madam,

  I want to put Article on my page but the problem is that i am worried if i put my article in the page than your team most of the time delete the page without telling the reason. As i am new user so i can't properly know about that how to maintain the wikipedia page active and make your page citable on google. Important thing the article which i worte have no plagiarism and my article falls in the boundries of Plagiarism standard. so Kindly guide me properly. Thanks  

Human Right and Islam (talk) 08:52, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

The draft is empty. It has no content. Please ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

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Black Jaguar White Tiger Foundation Page

You need to put more information and complete the page of Black Jaguar White Tiger to improve, the page should not be deleted, but need to be improved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Antony (talk • contribs) 17:23, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Marcus Antony - That isn't my page. I may have moved it from a sandbox into draft space. If so, please provide your comments to the actual author, not to me. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:57, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Marcus Antony - In looking at the history of the page, your comment to me is puzzling. You created the page, although it was very incomplete, and I moved it from user space to draft space. It is your job to put more information in it, not mine. You put a page into article space that was a candidate for speedy deletion, and I preserved it from deletion. Please do not nag me to do your work for you. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:01, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Shahbaz Ali Malik

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It isn't my draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Possible vandalism by user Wiki-Leader

Hey, Robert. I am wondering if you could help solve this sort of dispute I am having with Wiki-Leader. From his past edits, it seems obvious that he is only interested in disruptively editing articles about Penang, such as Penang and George Town, by removing sourced information and placing inappropriate templates.

He also insists on his own POV that Johor Bahru is the second largest city/metropolitan area in Malaysia, although his claims are unsupported by any substantive evidence or data, such as the National Census from Malaysia's Department of Statistics. He made several unverified statements to that effect in the Johor Bahru article in the past. We argued in my talk page regarding this as well.

From his most recent edit on Penang on 16 December, it can be inferred that he is only interested in continuing his disruptive editing behaviour towards any Penang-related articles.

Please advise on any further action to be taken. Thank you. Vnonymous (talk) 13:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Vnonymous - I see that he is currently blocked for personal attacks. I suggest that you edit boldly while he is blocked, and, when he comes off block, try to discuss. If he still doesn't discuss, he is likely to get blocked again. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Vnonymous - If you have been editing Wikipedia long enough to know what is vandalism, you have been editing long enough to know what is not vandalism. Do not yell "Vandalism" in order to "win" a dispute. Disruptive editing is not always vandalism. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:40, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Noted with thanks. Vnonymous (talk) 04:21, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Black Jaguar White Tiger informations

I was able to put more descriptions and information on the page of Black Jaguar White Tiger, the page is now perfect! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcus Antony (talk • contribs) 14:21, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hi i would like to know

The reason behind the rejection of my artid of tpd e liquids i can fully underatand that an article exist of that nature but tpd e liquids is a new law which has been in uk from 20 may 2017 this page would be informative to anyone who is not aware of the e cigerrettes laws in uk plwaee reconsider the article and make it possible for publication Zuaibhmalik (talk) 08:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Zuaibhmalik - The draft in question is Draft: Tobacco Products Directive, and there is an article Tobacco Products Directive. If you want to add information to an existing article, just edit the article boldly. Articles for Creation is for new articles, not for additions to existing articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Zuaibhmalik - Also, your above message is in very bad textual condition. The problem doesn't seem to have to do with your knowledge of English. Please check whether your keyboard device needs to be replaced. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:19, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

COMMONNAME Question

Can you please help me for a moment I have a question for about this statement (Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred. [Other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register, as well as what names are most frequently used].) mostly the section between the [ ]. I would just like to Know if this is the kinda source that can be used based off the section Inbetween the [ ]. [9] JMichael22 (talk) 22:59, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I assume that this has to do with your request to rename Edge (wrestler) to Adam Copeland, his real name. The Move Request is currently being discussed. Is there a problem? I don't see any reason why it can't simply run to completion. Is there a problem? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I must say that I don't fully understand the intensity of arguments about renaming an article when the other name also exists as a redirect. Why hyperventilate about it when both forms work? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

No sorry User:Robert McClenon I honestly am coming to you as you are an administrator and I thought you could possibly help shine some light on this statement (Other encyclopedias are among the sources that may be helpful in deciding what titles are in an encyclopedic register, as well as what names are most frequently used) I'm just curious to know if other Wiki's like this are considered legitimate sources Haven Wiki truly this has nothing to do with the Edge (wrestler) page I'm just hoping to learn more and I expressed myself enough on the talk page about the issue. I'm just wanted to fully understand that statement. I apologize if you thought I was coming to you with the renaming issue JMichael22 (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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It isn't my draft, and it has been abandoned for closer to 18 months than 6 months. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin

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ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. About you-know-who Kleuske (talk) 14:56, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:37, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Duplicate error

Hi, Robert McClenon. I created the page User:Daniele Pugliesi/sandbox as a duplicate of the page Draft:Corrado Rizza for a test I was doing regarding html code, but I forgot to take off the AFC submission template by mystake. Now I deleted my sandbox, but I see that you discussed with User:Raricrod linking my sandbox, so now there is a little of confusion. Please correct or help me to correct the situation. Thank you in advance. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 15:41, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Onward Manufacturing

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Onward Manufacturing".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Legacypac (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Legacypac - It isn't my draft. Go ahead and feed it to the goat. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. Darn Twinkle. Anyway, Merry Christmas. Legacypac (talk) 22:40, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Legacypac - Yes. Merry Christmas. It's still Christmas in Maryland, even if it is now 26 December in Bethlehem. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:47, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Forward on Talk:Cold War

Season's greetings. All the users for <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Cold_War#Secret_treaties,_#Russian_revolution_section> have now been notified. Apologies for the delay, I didn't realize the exact process and form. Yours, GPRamirez5 (talk) 16:51, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Origins of the Cold War

Hi Robert, thank you for looking over my filing on Dispute Resolution. I won't say I'm not disappointed by the outcome, but I can understand how you'd find the situation daunting given the complexity of the subject matter, and the workload of cases you have to attend to.

You made a comment that you closed my filing because its aspects were "unusual." That may be true, but that's a consequence of the situation being unusual. Over the past 48 hours, more than 20,000 bytes have been removed from an 80,000 byte article with minimum discussion on the Talk page—most of them were done with zero discussion. All of these bytes have been text, not graphics. This text was sourced to dozens of reliable secondary sources. There is genuine question as to how these editors have been able to read through all these sources in 48 hours...and if they have read through them. There have been questions raised about NPOV being upheld in my writing, but if that was the issue, the aggressive editors would be changing wording to make it more balanced. Instead they are suppressing entire subjects and eliminating sources en masse.

You said that you were impressed by the number of editors arrayed against me. That's understandable, but also understand that truth and logic can't merely be decided by the ad populum fallacy—there is also the quality of the argument being presented. In the case of User:Volunteer Marek and some other opponents, there initially was no argument whatsoever (only evasion of the Talk page). Then there was an argument where a university publication relating to the subject was characterized as a "trash" source. Understand, my usage of it was not just dismissed as trash, the source itself was. When anti-intellectualism appears to be guiding a large-scale edit, regardless of how many people are supporting it, this is not a situation that should be ignored. Indeed, the number of people supporting it makes it an even greater cause for concern.

I know we can't turn back time, but please take another look at what is happening on this page, and let me know if you have any guidance as to how it can be addressed.

Yours, GPRamirez5 (talk) 06:54, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

User:GPRamirez5 - Are you asking me what you should do next, or are you asking me to justify my closure? I already have justified my closures. I am somewhat troubled by your suggestion that if so many editors disagree with you, you must be right. Consider that they may be right. I did advise you that the next steps might be either a Request for Comments or a Request for Mediation. The latter will require that the other editors agree to mediation. Do you have any more questions? I may expand on this answer,but I might not. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I actually don't understand the source of your disturbance. As I understood it, it isn't the role of Wikipedians to define reality. It's the role of of Reliable Sources. If a hundred WP editors say one thing, and one peer-reviewed academic publication says another, I ought to believe the accredited publication, is that not right?-GPRamirez5 (talk) 02:34, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

User:GPRamirez5 - No. No. No. If a large number of Wikipedia editors take issue with your one peer-reviewed academic publication, they very likely have their reasons, such as their own reliable sources, or that they and you disagree as to how to interpret the publication. If a large number of Wikipedia editors say one thing, and your source says something else, you ought to consider that one of two situations is the case. First, they may right. Second, although they are wrong, it may not be worth arguing with the community. In any case, either request formal mediation (but that will require that the other editors agree to it), or publish a Request for Comments, or go back to the article talk pages. And please don't file multiple dispute resolution requests in 48 hours; that is bludgeoning the process. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

User:GPRamirez5 - Okay. I have tried to caution you. I provided a reasonably worded admonition on your talk page. You removed it. You have the right to remove advice from your talk page, but that doesn't reflect well on your willingness to edit collaboratively. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

"You have the right to remove advice from your talk page"

Thanks for acknowledging that, Robert. I figured my doing that was in the same spirit as you moving the convo off your Talk page. We each have the prerogative to decide what's on our personal pages. If you remove this message I won't be the least bit offended, but as long as I'm here, I wanted to bring your attention to WP:TAG TEAM which is highly relevant to the Cold war/ Origins of Cold war articles right now. Happy New Year--GPRamirez5 (talk) 03:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

User:GPRamirez5 - You say that there is tag team editing on the origins of the Cold War. That is a somewhat different argument than you were using a few days ago, when you were saying that with so many editors against you, you must be right. My advice continues to be either to request formal mediation or to use a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

User:GPRamirez5 - You say that you used the same spirit in deleting my caution as I did in moving a conversation off my talk page, but I didn't move a conversation off my talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I think we both know that's not true, Robert.

"I came here to advise you (rather than on my Talk page)..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GPRamirez5&diff=817443800&oldid=817186426 GPRamirez5 (talk) 04:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

User:GPRamirez5 - I see. You are equating two different actions. I changed the place where further discussion was conducted, but left your original comments in place, and they are still here. You deleted my reply. That isn't the same. If you are trying to defend your action in deleting my admonition, then I strongly disagree. You have a right to delete my comments, but I do not see the wisdom in that action. Just erasing my advice doesn't accomplish anything for you. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

NOTLAB

Don't know if you followed it, but I launched a new RfC and it was closed on the Dec 23rd as having consensus here, and is now implemented at WP:NOTLAB. Thanks for your work on that! Jytdog (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Jytdog - Thanks. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

20:26:15, 28 December 2017 review of submission by Vinhloc30796

• Vinhloc30796 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Republic (crowdfunding platform) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Robert. Thank you for your last review. I've improved the article since then. I've used WP:NPOV as my guidance. I think that this article is important to the discussion of the SAFE investment vehicle. The discussion is important since there are more studies on the vehicles being released with differing conclusions. I also think that the article is important as a major part of the equity crowdfunding climate, as per Crowdfund Insider and Venture Beats. I do understand that I may be subjected to unconscious bias in writing about my employer. Please do provide more guidance on how to make the article more neutral and thus compliant with Wikipedia's policies. Thank you. Vinhloc30796 (talk) 20:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

User:Vinhloc30796 - I will let you wait for another reviewer. I understand that you know that you may be biased in favor of your employer. I may be biased against paid editors, and will deal with that bias by letting another reviewer review your draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

New Years new page backlog drive

Hello Robert McClenon, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!

Announcing the NPP New Year Backlog Drive!

We have done amazing work so far in December to reduce the New Pages Feed backlog by over 3000 articles! Now is the time to capitalise on our momentum and help eliminate the backlog!

The backlog drive will begin on January 1^st and run until January 29^th. Prize tiers and other info can be found HERE.

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New year's greetings

Hello Robert, wishing you here a happy new year! Since I have taken new responsibilities in unfamiliar areas, I hope I can come to you again for advice and guidance sometimes. Best, Alex Shih (talk) 13:38, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

If that explanation seems incomprehensible to you

Then perhaps you're not the right arbiter for this issue, or any other issue for that matter. You've just complicated what would have been a very simple discussion, and implicitly taken sides with a profoundly disruptive individual.

Does that seem comprehensible to you BTW, or should I make it even shorter? Is it easily digestible in smaller pieces? CodeInconnu (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

User:CodeInconnu - You have just clarified that you don't understand what the dispute resolution noticeboard is for, which is content disputes and not conduct disputes. I did not implicitly "take a side" with User:Sonrisas, but, if you think that they are a "profoundly disruptive individual", that is a conduct issue that should be reported at WP:ANI. I now understand that you are saying that the other editor is disruptive, but disruption should not be reported at DRN, but at WP:ANI. That argument is comprehensible. It is also clear to me that the other editor declined to take part in DRN, and DRN is voluntary. Either discuss further at the article talk page, or report the other editor at WP:ANI. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, got it. CodeInconnu (talk) 06:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

By the way, I do know that Catalonia was not liberated from the Arabs by either Aragon or Castile because it was liberated from the Arabs by Carlos I, who was not Spanish. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Great, at least you got that right. And? CodeInconnu (talk) 06:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

User:CodeInconnu - Either discuss further at the article talk page, or use a Request for Comments, or report the user at WP:ANI, but try to resolve the content if possible. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

User:CodeInconnu - The disruptive editor in question has been indefinitely blocked. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, I found out yesterday. Problem solved, I hope. CodeInconnu (talk) 05:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ 02:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

17:39:59, 3 January 2018 review of submission by Syedshas

• Syedshas (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Kurumbapatti Zoological Park (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Robert thanks for the previous review, as mentioned in comment there is no references for this Kurumambapatti Zoological park article, now i have updated reliable references for the article this article is important for people of salem city in tamilnadu and peoples who want to visit this small zoo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedshas (talk • contribs) 17:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Syedshas - Wikipedia does not base whether to accept article on whether it is important to the people in one city. The English Wikipedia has a world-wide readership, and notability is not local. If you have questions about notability, ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

its not for local people . its for whole india and whoever tourists visit yercaud its located in the foothills. i agree wikipedia is have worldwide readership previously u have declined due to no references. now i have updated with refernces. its a tourist place so only article need to be published which will be useful — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedshas (talk • contribs) 21:30, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Art photographer, Ostróg the younger/Walery

Thank you for your welcome! This photographer used several pseudonyms, including "Lucien Walery " and "Laryew", especially in Paris. There is a lot of his work on Wiki Commons. Do you think it should all be linked up? Best wishes, --Po Mieczu (talk) 11:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Po Mieczu - The pseudonyms should be used as redirects. But the article says that the pseudonyms may have been Ostrog or a brother or someone else. The article should state what is known by reliable sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:35, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

15:45:35, 4 January 2018 review of submission by TMaikai

• TMaikai (talk · contribs)
  • User:TMaikai/sandbox/Citizens' High School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am currently editing the page that was declined. Can reference the schools history page on their website on the Wikipedia? I am hoping to have this page ready for re-submission this week.

User:TMaikai - Yes, you may reference an organization's web site in an article about the web site. However, it is a primary source and does not establish notability. It establishes what the organization says about itself, which is useful, but is not enough. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Eva Bartlett

Hello, thank you very much for esplaining why my article on Eva Bartlett was not allowed. I am quite surprised, because an article on Eva Bartlett is ok on French Wikipedia. Also because her notability is real, as Channel 4 wrote a full article about her, as Snopes did, while The Guardian talks about her in the lasst weeks, she will give a conference in London by the end of the month... I know it's a very controversial subject, about propaganda and about war, but I'll try to add sources and links, because I think this subject is important... Thank you !--M.A. Martin (talk) 09:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

User:M.A. Martin - First, please do not post to the top of my user talk page. Put your reply at the bottom of my page. As the banner says, posts to the top may not be seen. Second, the French Wikipedia has different rules than the English Wikipedia. Third, I did not say that an article on Eva Bartlett was not allowed. I simply did not accept the draft that you submitted, and I see that you have revised it. If you have questions about submitting drafts, please ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For the outstanding work you do each day and for your help today in particular. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Dlohcierekim. It really appears that the editors dislike each other or are angry at each other but do not really disagree about that much. There isn't disagreement that she is sometimes referred to in the past year as the leader of the free world, only as to how to say that. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Interestingly, what makes that phrase contentious about Frau Merkel has very little to do with Frau Merkel and much to do with Mr. Trump. In the English Wikipedia, arguing disruptively about Merkel is not subject to discretionary sanctions, and arguing disruptively about Trump is subject to discretionary sanctions. The underlying issue is, in my opinion, that Donald Trump has a different idea as to whether he is "leader of the free world" than did Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, William J. Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama. That is my opinion. Anyway, they need to stop arguing and start talking about the Angela Merkel article. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

LOL. Well giggling. Personally, I would prefer Frau Merkel over Herr Trump any day for leader of the free world, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I am usually surprsied at the content at the heart of an edit war. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 22:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Dlohcierekim - There isn't much content, or at least much content difference, at the heart of the edit war. Perhaps that is the surprise, or the whole point. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Sammy Sosa

Hello Robert. You have removed my request for a third opinion. Other editors were involved before, not after, not at the same time. Since the disagreement is still open, what other means would you recommend me to follow? --Osplace 15:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Big 10 Conference (West Virginia) High School Football

Robert: You stated my article reads like a brochure for the conference. I am simply presenting the history of the high school version of the Big 10. I have sighted a sports history book and an on-line school history page. I have created links for every school that has a Wikipedia sight and external links to all the member schools that have one. I eliminated the word "proud" which I had used twice. What exactly needs to be done for my article to pass this edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SGT1998 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

I will ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for the useful tip Jakelewis2 (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Arancha Solis (duplicate article)

Good morning Robert Mcclendon, thank you for your comment. I'm new in wikipedia and I thought that just I uploaded one article. I thought the second article will go with the references that I need, I didn't though it was duplicated. Now just only have one for revision o how can I delete the second one? because I only see in my sandbox one. Thank you Actorespain (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Actorespain - It appears that you requested that the other copy of the draft be deleted, and it was deleted. There is now only one copy, and I moved it to Draft:Arancha Solis. Please put the references in the form of footnotes. Do you know what year she was born? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Nina Teicholz

Hi there. You had declined my article because I had citations as hyperlinks instead of footnotes. I think I have fixed that but I got dinged again. Please advise and I think all of my hyperlinks are appropriate now. Thanks so much. Leslieaun (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

DRN Shammar in Syria

Have I misinterpreted your closure comment at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Shammar#Shammar_in_Syria - I understood "If discussion continues and is inconclusive in 48 hours or more" to mean "inclusive within 48 hours", but now I fear you might have meant "inconclusive after 48 hours"? Batternut (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Batternut - Inconclusive. I meant that, if there has been discussion for 48 hours, but it remains inconclusive in the sense that it hasn't resolved anything, you can file at DRN again. Talk for two days. If that doesn't work, come back. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll see if I can tidy up the new request I just created! Batternut (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Arancha Solis. Article

Good afternoon Robert McClenon, Thank you for your comments and help. I have added the year of birth that you asked for and I added the references too. Do you think the article is Ok right now? Thank you Actorespain (talk) 00:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Peter Strzok

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Peter Strzok. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

DRN Coordinator

I have removed Yashovardhan Dhanania from the upcoming DRN coordinator due to inactivity. Really the only two people eligible are you and I. I'm giving this opportunity for you to volunteer, otherwise I will just continue. Let me know if you would like to pick it up come February. Nihlus 07:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - I'll take the assignment. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

11:02:15, 9 January 2018 review of submission by 21CT

• 21CT (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:WildCats Conservation Alliance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert Thank you so much for reviewing my submission. I would really appreciate your help with this. As you can see from the article, WildCats is the result of a merger of two long-established funding initiatives. Many of the references that I added do actually acknowledge 21st Century Tiger and ALTA as funders of their work in the acknowledgement section of the paper (see reference 1 as a case in point) and the projects that the papers were based on were in part funded by one or other of the initiatives. What would you suggest I do to make the article better?

Thanks Esther Conway — Preceding unsigned comment added by 21CT (talk • contribs) 11:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

User:21CT - Please ask for advice at the Teahouse. Also, please change your username to something that is not promotional for an organization. One account is one human, not one organization. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I owe you

Although this is too late, but please accept my thanks for acting against those vandals on my TP. I wrote to let you know that I have not forgot your good effort. Regards, --Mhhossein ^talk 13:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

03:29:56, 11 January 2018 review of submission by Bestword57

• Bestword57 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Archie L. League (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I need to change the name of my Wikipedia page to Achen League. It keeps wanting to search for Archie L. League which is not his birth name.

Thanks in advance, Bestword57 (talk) 03:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Deljou Art Group

Hi Robert, I noticed you have accepted Deljou Art Group at AfC. I'm not convinced that the article should have been be accepted. I suspect the author has a COI, and the sourcing is problematic: 8 references to deljouartgroup.com (the subject), two to artexponewyork.com (definitely not an independent, reliable source, one to mapquest (to source their place of business?) and then www.cv-magazine.com, which says nothing about the business. cv-magazine (or Corporate Vision) is a business that is "committed to working with all of our nominees and winners to promote their success throughout their industry and beyond and making sure they gain maximum exposure and really benefit from their win". Make of the google mail attachment what you will, it's also not a valid source. To summarize, this article is almost entirely based on what the source has to say about itself. Since you did the AfC review, I wanted to check in with you before I nominate it for deletion. Mduvekot (talk) 21:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Mduvekot - Go ahead. I may have been too quick to accept a draft that had plenty of sources without checking their quality. If you do nominate it, I will take my time, at least one day and less than seven days, to review and decide whether to defend my acceptance, conclude that I was mistaken and it should be deleted, or be neutral. Go ahead and AFD it if you think that is in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

No worries, I understand that AfC, like NPP is severely backlogged and we're all just scrambling to get through. Mistakes happen. If you think that upon reconsidering, you might not have accepted, I'd prefer not to get you involved defending something at AfD that you don't really support. All the best, Mduvekot (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Mduvekot - I don't understand. I will only defend it if I think it needs defending. Go ahead and take it to AFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the motivation

I took your recommendations to heart, and I got my first page published, Charles Irving Elliott. KlausVonVilver (talk) 14:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Friendly reminder

Just a reminder to remove the archive locks from the DRN case when closing in addition to putting the close above the filing editor as seen here. Thanks. Nihlus 18:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Robert, please let me know if you have seen this as I had to clean up more of your closes. Thanks. Nihlus 03:55, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - Take a look at the archive lock dates. You didn't need to clean them up. I had already cleaned them up by setting the date to the past. That has the same effect as deleting them. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe changing them is the best course, as typos are possible. Additionally, the filing editor needs to go in the archive since it causes formatting issues as discussed here. Nihlus 05:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I have been leaving the filing editor in rather than deleting the filing editor since you asked. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:05, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Nihlus - So you are there. I had been sort of wondering, since you haven't been commenting on filings or answering questions on the talk page, only proofreading my closes. Better that than nothing. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:04, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure a parting shot is necessary at this point. We are both volunteers here, and I've needed to focus more time on my real life lately. Nihlus 17:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I know. Yes. We are all volunteers here, and we each did what we had time to do. You didn't have time to provide real help such as opening or mediating or closing cases. Okay. You did have time to scold me for the details of closing my cases. Okay. I didn't have to complain about being complained at. True. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps others aren't volunteering as they see this is how you intend to treat them for not doing "enough" to satisfy whatever requirement you believe is necessary or perhaps your concern with how people spend their time when editing will keep people away. Regardless, either one is unbecoming of someone who wishes to lead others or recruit others into a collaborative environment. Therefore, I don't believe you are qualified for the coordinator position and have reservations about your attitude towards the DRN in general moving forward. Nihlus 22:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikiproject Computing Referral for Draft:Multivariate Quadratic Random Number Generator

Hello, The instructions for submitting an article for review at the Wikiproject Computing page were unclear at best and on its Talk page there is some discussion of the request mechanism not working. Is there a way to see if this article has been submitted for review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carvalho1988 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Carvalhol1988 The article in question is Draft:Multivariate quadratic random number generator. I don't see how to request a review of a Draft, just a variety of other types of reviews. I don't see the discussion about the request mechanism not working. Maybe I have missed something. You can just make a request on the talk page, or you can ask at the Teahouse or the Help Desk about how to get a draft reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:01, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Request on 00:20:03, 16 January 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Quovadiszero

• Quovadiszero (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Alice Lloyd (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Greetings Robert; You requested I provide more references for notability. This my first time so please excuse the lack of skills. I cannot figure out how to get the icons for references inserted. I am sure it is easy but I cannot figure it out.

Secondly my format uses direct references from newspapers from the era. I thought those proved to be effective. Please give your opinion.

I am also using references from my published book which includes much well documented information on Miss Lloyd, plus I own the original artifact my book was based upon. Does this cause a problem?

I have been in contact with her surviving grand daughter who has supplied first hand family knowledge of Miss Lloyd. How do I enter those as a reference?

I do understand the "lede' paragraph and will rewrite.

Any help you can provide is graciously accepted.

Thank you for your time

Quovadiszero (talk) 00:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Quovadiszero - The way that you used the quotes from the newspapers is distracting and non-standard. References should be in the form of footnotes. Personal correspondence is generally not considered to be a reliable source, and your correspondence with the granddaughter may not be usable. I don't know what you mean by the original artifact on which your book was based. You may use your own book as a reference, although that might be seen as a conflict of interest, in particular because it could be seen as you trying to promote sales of the book. I would suggest that you ask for further advice about references at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Ed Brown (boxer)

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It isn't my draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:28, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Swazzo in DRN

Hi Robert McClenon, with re to this, I do not know if this is the right place to comment. Sorry I overlooked the notice on the talk pages of the other users involved. However, I had added the notice by the time you mention it the second time. I commented on the problems and problematic circumstances I found. Thanks Iñaki LL (talk) 21:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I am moving on, since the editor in question is unresponsive. Regards Iñaki LL (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Iñaki LL - Do you wish to withdraw the request for dispute resolution? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I do not know how the resource works, I came for a solution to a straightforward situation, not immediate but at least effective, and for whatever reason it is not giving. I moved on and left a message on Swazzo's page, I do not think the user in question is responding, and I do not think you will restore the last good version, so feel free to close it. Iñaki LL (talk) 08:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Valerievalpal/sandbox

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User:JustaZBguy - That isn't my article. Go ahead. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Summer Rose (Submission by Placey33)

Hi Robert, Thank you for your advice on the Summer Rose submission; I'm new to the community and I really appreciate the input and feedback on why it was declined. A page for Summer Rose already exists in Swedish #REDIRECT [[10]]. Since that had already been reviewed/approved and published, is there a way to transfer/copy to English so I can make proper edits to that rather than start anew? Thanks again, Pam Placey33 (talk) 16:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Placey33 - If you want advice about translation, I suggest that you ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Dominick DiOrio (Submission by hcman4dd)

Hi Robert, Thank you for commenting on the Dominick DiOrio page! To answer your question, I believe that he satisfies musical notability, as his many compositions are published through major music publishers, is frequently noted in publications on choral music, and is the conductor of NOTUS. His presence and contributions in the choral world are on par with other conductors listed on Wikipedia. I do have a question regarding "See Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information for the length of the list of works." I understand the content of the posted link, but I also know other composers such as John Adams include their lists of works on their pages. Is there a reason that the list of works is allowed on some composers' pages but not all, and what do you suggest would be a better alternative? Thank you so much! Hcman4dd (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Teshi patel

Thanks for the heads-up on this sandbox. I've speedy deleted the spam again and closed the AfD. There were no real facts even to show notability, just promotion for the company and its products. I blocked the original account under user name policy, and a second account as a sock of the first. Teshi patel's version was sufficiently different from the earlier that he may be a different person, so I haven't blocked yet. However, clearly another COI account so I've fired a warning shot. Cheers Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Jimfbleak - Thank you. Sometimes I think that the community of reviewers for AFC is a little too kind in terms of taking the zeroth pillar of Wikipedia even more seriously than it is meant to be taken. Outreach to new editors is not officially one of the principles of Wikipedia, but it has a status that is comparable to being the zeroth pillar of Wikipedia. Do not bite the newcomers is officially only a guideline, but it has become a dogma, something that takes precedence over common sense. Most new editors should be welcomed, but some are not here to improve the encyclopedia, either because they are not new, or because they are only here to promote something. Thank you. I don't know what Teshi patel thought a reviewer would be able to do with the sandbox anyway, since the title was salted, but maybe he gets paid if it gets accepted, and he has to try. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Eyecare10

Hi Robert. I am contacting you in reference to my page International Pediatric Ophthalmology and Strabismus Council. What changes can I make so that it is not read like an information brochure? I have tried multiple attempts, but I would really appreciate some guidance.

Thank you.

User:Eyecare10 - I don't think that you really want my answer. If you are affiliated with the organization, whether as an employee or as a volunteer, you are likely to write something that will read like an information brochure for the organization. I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse, where you might find other experienced editors who are more attuned to helping editors who have a conflict of interest act like they are neutral when they aren't. I will not be of much help. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

User:gregorybarry

Not sure what I can do. I looked carefully at the materials from ACI Alliance. I care deeply about the impact that CI's make to people with severe to profound hearing loss. The materials on Wikipedia on Cochlear Implants have been written by people who fundamentally object to the device. If you have any advice about the article, please do so. I have found that the implant is a life-changing prosethesis for the appropriate candidates. I was attempting to put more in the record without attempting to change the existing CI article, which is extremely biased. It includes a citation from AAO that indicates that the cost of a CI is $100K. That is a lifetime cost and is not at all what someone who receives one spends.

The existing Wikipedia article does not cite many studies (which I included) that have demonstrated very high cost-benefit factors for the intervention.

I believe that the article submitted was well-researched, comparable to other nonprofits (I modeled it after many others in Wikipedia), and not promotional.

Thank you for your consideration.

The page in question is Draft:American Cochlear Implant Alliance. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:00, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Gregorybarry - I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

User:gregorybarry

Do you have any specific suggestions about the ACI Alliance article?

Most of the citations were from outside journals, even if they some written by people from the organization (Otology and Neurotology (peer reviewed), Cochlear Implants International (peer reviewed), Hearing Loss Magazine, Volta Voices, etc.)

Thanks.

Thank you

Thank you. For deleting Catagory:Derringer. I didn't notice the typo until it was too late.--RAF910 (talk) 00:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Racial views of Donald Trump

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Racial views of Donald Trump. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk page guidelines

Hello, and may I thank you firstly for all your valued contributions. Secondly, thanks for taking the time to comment about me (someone who you've never met) on the recent, and thoroughly entertaining ARBCOM case that has been filed and thus, forms part of the harassment against me. Thirdly, and speaking of said ARBCOM case, could you please see your way clear to not starting linked discussions on various talk pages as it simply makes for more drama. Fourthly, and this is the cruncher, could you please have a read of WP:TALKNEW, with regards to the, and I quote: "Don't address other users in a heading: Headings invite all users to comment. Headings may be about specific edits but not specifically about the user.". Hey don't worry yourself though, I'll pop along and fix it for you. It's a great little guideline that could beat anyone to the Booker Prize any day of the week. Much hearty regards and happy editing! Cassianto^Talk 11:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Your Follow-Up Thought on Joefromrandb RFAR

Did you mean to write that ARBCOM should look at editors who (have) provoke(d) editors who are easily provoked? I think you might have, but I'm only saying that based on other things you've previously written. I may be parsing your comment incorrectly but I don't believe that's what you wrote. Toddst1 (talk) 21:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Toddst1 - Yes. I didn't elaborate on it much because I was getting very close to word limit. I have said it in both Joefromrandb and Cassianto. I think that, when a particular editor becomes the center of a great deal of conflict, and the ArbCom has to conduct a hearing, the ArbCom should not only consider sanctions against the editor in question but consider sanctions against the editors who provoked the editor. I may have said it more clearly in the previous Joefromrandb request. Provoking an editor who is easily provoked is fun, but is harmful to a collaborative electronic workplace. I don't know of an obvious way to deal with such editors, but attention should be paid to the problem. I suggested some sort of discretionary sanction, but I can see that that might not work well. It may be that occasionally an editor and their interactions just become so much of a problem that the ArbCom needs to identify the editors who have been doing the provoking and sanction them. I realize that it is policy that blocks are meant to be preventive and not punitive; maybe editors who have a history of provoking another editor need to be given a yellow card. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I get it and I think you have a good point. I know you Quite a few others think I've been guilty of doing that once to Joefromrandb. I thought you might want to reword it a bit to be sure the point came across. Toddst1 (talk) 14:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Toddst1 - I don't recall thinking that you provoked Joefromrandb. I will prepare a statement when the case is opened, but right now my statement is very close to word limit. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok. Yeah, I don't remember if you were on of the folks saying this but a few months ago JFRDB was edit warring on something and told me to "fuck off" and I responded by putting a civility warning template on his talk page. Later, several folks at ANI thought that me responding with a template was provocative. I didn't see it as such when I did it, but I learned long ago that my definition of acceptable behavior is not in the mainstream. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 20:16, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Toddst1 - I don't agree with Do Not Template the Regulars, and so I don't see any reason why just giving a template to a provokable editor should be viewed as a provocation. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:54, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I apologize. The piling on that went on here, including a few admins left me still smarting. I struck my throwing you in that group above. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 01:05, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Toddst1 - Okay. The October ANI, that was closed inconclusively by TomStar81, who then took it to RFAR, and he was then also piled on for filing at RFAR after closing the ANI. In looking it over, my only involvement was to ask the ArbCom to take the case and to ensure that it went both ways, that is, that it dealt not only with Joefromrandb and with the editors who provoked him. It now appears that that is finally what will happen, and that that may happen in both the Joe case and the Cassianto case. I think that the ArbCom does need to revisit infoboxes, if only to mandate that RFC is the proper way to dispose of infobox conflict in order to avoid edit wars, but that is only my opinion. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Jessica McCormack has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jessica McCormack. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 23:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom, etc

Thank you for your ping. I have avoided looking at the "case" much, but having checked I see that the diff has already been posted there, along with further untruth. According to the editor, I 'brought an intimidation game along the lines of "I just sent a bunch of super-secret evidence to ArbCom in e-mail and you're in such big trouble now".' I'm afraid that's just nonsense. There was no "intimidation game" - a request for him to stop lying about me is not intimidation, and it is not the first time I have had to make such a request to him, I'm afraid I also did not say anything along the lines of 'you're in such big trouble now'. Such manipulating of reality runs through the evidence he posted about me (I didn't check the truth of the statements on Cass), and if you actually check his initial statement with a questioning mind, checking the diffs to see they support some rather hyperbolic claims, you will see a gap between reality and the the claims. – SchroCat (talk) 07:13, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

User:SchroCat - Please do not post about the case to my talk page. I am not an arbitrator. My opinion shouldn't matter much to you, but my opinion of the case is more likely to be influenced by the fact of postings to my talk page than by personal statements to me by editors who don't like each other. Please don't post about the case to my talk page. Give your evidence to the ArbCom. Anything posted to my talk page may be provided as evidence to the ArbCom, but you knew that. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

My apologies: it was meant as a response to your post on the other page and about the misrepresentation of that exchange. Please do not take it as being "about the case" - it's just my clumsy wording that has given that impression. - SchroCat (talk) 16:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	thanks for your comment I'll try my best Thanuje D Dissanayake (talk) 08:44, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Request on 16:49:21, 27 January 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Jjab4566

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Jjab4566 (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

 I did not know the revision had been submitted twice.  Sorry about that.

Jjab4566 (talk) 16:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Request on 20:46:02, 27 January 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Jjab4566

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 Hey Robert.  I hope you get this.  I sent yo a message earlier about the "two" articles that appear to be the same.  This is the old one.  Apparently you have not seen the new one.  So, I will edit this one as the new one.

Jjab4566 (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Jjab4566 (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Jjab4566 - See my comments on the version in draft space, which I have submitted as pending for review by any reviewer. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Articles for creation

Dear Robert - Having done a mere month in the Afc arena, I've found it can occasionally sap the spirit. So I just wanted to thank you for all that you've done and are doing. Very inspiring. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:52, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for helping me with my sandbox mishap. Cdtuba (talk) 03:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Feedback on Rush Soccer

Hi Robert,
I saw you left a comment on the draft I submitted for publication (Rush Soccer). Thanks for your feedback. I believe you made a good point. I invite you to have a look to a similar type of organization ( obviously at different scale) called City Football Group. The article describes the "City Way" and their philosophy. It pretty much describes what the group thinks about itself and their beliefs. Pretty much of what you think about my article too. Should have I rely solely on what others have written about the organization like you mentioned, it could have been really quickly inaccurate. I took my sources out of their by laws and regulations when I am stating facts. Readers need to make their own opinion afterwards. When I am not stating facts, I relied on online articles about the organization itself ( which could be considered as "what others have written about it" like you said) . I tried to keep a certain balance between both sides of spectrum.
Again, much appreciated your feedback. I always strive to improve in my writing. Best, --Pelo1007 (talk) 06:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You had recently provided a statement regarding a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Joefromrandb and others. This case will address the behaviour of Joefromrandb and editors who have interacted poorly with them. However, on opening, who those editors might be is not clear to the committee. Before posting evidence on the relevant page about editors who are not parties to the case please make a request, with brief supporting evidence, on the main case talk page for the drafting arbitrators to review. Evidence about editors already listed can be posted directly at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Joefromrandb and others/Evidence. Please add your evidence by February 11, 2018, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Joefromrandb and others/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Kostas20142 (talk) 18:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Knovos salted?

Hello, you mentioned on a declined draft submission that Knovos had been protected from creation. Could you clarify this? I want to make sure the new Knovos has not been deleted under a different name.--SamHolt6 (talk) 17:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

User:SamHolt6 - What new Knovos or Draft:Knovos? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

The draft has been salted. It appears that it has not yet been salted in article space, but that is a detail. What is the question? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Its a moot point now, but I wondered if Knovos had been created under a different name in the past. I saw that Knovos had been speedy deleted in the past, but salt is rarely applied for a first time deletion. Do you know of any other names the article had been created under?--SamHolt6 (talk) 01:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

It was repeatedly created in draft space, and has only been salted in draft space. I would ask the deleting administrator, User:Jimfbleak. Why? Are you planning to write a neutral draft that satisfies notability, or are you reviewing a sandbox, or just curious? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Another copy of Knovos was deleted by Checkuser User:Bbb23 as having been created by a sockpuppet of a blocked or banned user. There is evidently a history of paid editing. I would prefer that all paid editing be banned, but I understand the rationale that a complete ban would simply force it underground. In any event, I dislike all paid editing. Maybe User:Jimfbleak or User:Bbb23 might know whether any other names have also been used for it. Bbb23 should be able to tell you what account is the sockmaster, and the sockpuppet investigation often contains interesting historical information about misconduct. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the assistance. SamHolt6 (talk) 02:11, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've now protected the article space version too. User:SamHolt6, five attempts to spam in user space and draft space by two accounts, one of which, KnovosWiki, I'd blocked as a spam user name violation, the other as a sock of that. The checkuser found that even the KnovosWiki account was itself a sock. No good guys involved in creating this article Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:10, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

FYI

In the US flight is, generally, admissible as evidence of guilt. Silence, no; but flight, yes. EEng 04:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

User:EEng - What about requesting free board for three months in a county jail in a state on the other side of North America? Robert McClenon (talk) 11:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes. We are more or less in agreement. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

See O. Henry for instance. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

OMC

Hello, I had a feeling that my recently submitted article didn't have enough content. That is fine because I still have more to write. I would highly advise against merging it with BCTC because other than the fact that it is housed at BCTC, the school has no connection to it. OMC is a Fayette County High School with Fayette county teachers and staff. Thank you, Ral 33 (talk) 01:08, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Wheat sprout

An article that you have been involved in editing—Wheat sprout—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Phonet (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Composers connected with Liverpool City Region

Thanks for your comment on my draft.

I had not appreciated that there was a separate format for lists in WikiPedia. Would there be any advantage for an article of this kind to be structured as a Wiki List? One large column would need to be in a free format.

Perhaps I should have submitted it for review at an earlier stage before committing a lot of effort into developing it. I am probably about a third of the way through the eventual list.

Alan.jones.ski (talk) 13:55, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Firkin

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Firkin, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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User:Kb.au - It isn't my draft. As you will notice, I moved it to draft space and declined it. I don't think it needs deleting from draft space, but that is only my opinion. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:25, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Kill it. Kill it with fire. There is nothing left now that the spam was removed. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, hmm yes but what happened to the rest of the article's history? It's not at the original user subpage. Kb.au (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 11:57:24, 2 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by 103.206.174.13

Promotional sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

103.206.174.13 (talk · contribs) User:Saisripavi/sandbox/Sujith Kumar.J (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) So, I can understand there are a lots of guidelines and conditions for creating a wiki page... But, because I've been given a review that the ref don't show the subject's notability, What should I do? I've added almost 20 references. And, please help me 103.206.174.13 (talk) 11:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC) User:Saisripavi, User:103.206.174.13 - First, why are you editing logged out? Second, why did you put "J" after the title? Were you trying to create an article that has been protected against creation? I will respond further shortly. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:40, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 20:42:13, 2 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Devzboi1

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for two main reasons, The first is because of the importance of this article, and I need to be very attractive and interesting to the reader, as well as to love it, secondly i need professional help to cover this article further. I hope you'll help me finish the last part

Devzboi1 (talk) 20:42, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Devzboil - First, Wikipedia articles are not meant to be "attractive" to the reader, but to be informative and written from a neutral point of view. You appear to be asking for help in using Wikipedia to advance your career. That is not what Wikipedia is for. Second, I do not provide professional help in the sense that I do not do paid editing of Wikipedia, and I am opposed to paid editing of Wikipedia, and it is my opinion that paid editors of Wikipedia do not earn what they are paid. Please ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Rabbits (podcast)

Hi! Thanks for your speedy comment on the draft. I thought it could be considered notable especially because of its reviews & mentions on Time, USA Today, etc. -- also because its sister podcasts have pages. Obviously WP:INHERITWEB but I thought that combined w/ the multiple references in major publications was sufficient. (It also has 2k+ reviews on iTunes, not that that necessarily means anything!) ohmyerica (talk) 02:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Ohmyerica The draft in question is Draft:Rabbits (podcast). I will be asking for comments at WP:THQ. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Civility in infobox discussions case opened

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20:59:47, 3 February 2018 review of submission by NoahGMark

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I'm requesting a re-review of this entry because I believe that it meets the requirements for a Wikipedia page. The submission's references do adequately show the subject's notability. The information in the article is supported by IMDB, which is the industry standard for credits in entertainment. IMDB page for Noah Mark The program that I currently Executive Produce, The Ultimate Fighter, is written about extensively on Wikipedia. It therefore stands to reason that being the Executive Producer of this program is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. I understand that it is frowned upon by Wikipedia for anyone to write their own page, but I also understand from reading Wikipedia's guidelines that people are not prohibited from creating their own page. The other reference I provided for the page, stating that I won a World MMA Award in 2017, is provided directly from the World MMA Award website. This is certainly a reliable source for information on the World MMA Awards. World MMA Awards Therefore, the submission's references are adequately sourced and verify the subject's notability. Please reconsider publishing this page. Thank you.

NoahGMark (talk) 20:59, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

User:NoahGMark - IMDB is not normally considered a reliable source by Wikipedia. However, I will be asking for comments at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:36, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Also, the draft is an autobiography, and their submission is discouraged. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:37, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

Thank you for your kind words. Not autobiography by any means, I know very little nor have met the subject except by what I have recently researched. I totally forgot my original username from years ago and have not submitted to wiki in years (and forgot how to do everything). I became interested in subject when one of my students mentioned him to me during current events portion of class. You could have been meaner but I really appreciate the act of kindness with your comments. Thanks for your feedback and feel free to reach out to point me back in correct direction with your comments that you left me. Thanks, Caroline N. Horse_Enthusiast 01:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Wschewning - If you are not William Chewning, your username may be in violation of the username policy, and you might want to change it. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Livin Lite rv

I just spent about 12 hours researching and writing the article that was apparently immediately deleted.

I am an experienced wikipedia article. I am hoping to start this article and continue to add to it as I can find additional sources. I do not work for the company, I am simply interested in creating a place that's a resource on the company, their history, and their products.

User:Utahredrock - The article has not been deleted. It still exists at Draft:Livin Lite RV. It has been declined because it needs improvement if it is to be accepted into article space. You may ask more questions at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:42, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

RFCs

The subject is under discussion by the Arbitration Committee. Please provide any comments in the Arbitration Committee case. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I'm disappointed to see that you think RFCs the ideal way to resolve disputes on infoboxes. The recent one for Cary Grant should have told you that they cause more harm than good and are a colossal waste of time. The inbox brigade will only continue to open an RFC on every article without one until they have a majority. I do not want to keep seeing month long disputes with RFCs. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:43, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Submission Declined

Hello! I see that you have declined my submission at Draft:Arduino Nano. I am going to move it back to my sandbox n7: I started it yesterday and it is not ready for submission at all. I have no idea how this {{AfC Submission}} template ended up in my sandbox. However, if you could review my submission at Draft:Arduino UNO, that would be great. The topic is quite notable, well referenced and has some pictures and an infobox. I hope you find it good enough to be accepted. Thanks, L293D (✉) 14:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Arbitration case reminder

You had recently provided a statement regarding a request for arbitration. We would like to remind you that the case is still open and evidence will be accepted until 11 February. Evidence may be posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Joefromrandb and others/Evidence according to the instructions of this page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Kostas20142 (talk) 12:40, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Kostas20142 - I have already provided the evidence that I was planning to provide, but I see that there is a reason why you have provided this notice to commenters, which is that there has been very little evidence offered. Everyone wants to ask the ArbCom to do something, and then no one wants to coooperate with the ArbCom, or something.... Robert McClenon (talk) 18:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure

this is what you intended, as I just did the same thing. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:34, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Dlohcierekim - Yuck. There is something wrong with a template if it permits good-faith editors who are trying to edit the talk page to modify the template that is being transcluded onto the talk page rather than adding a warning to the talk page. I think that I have finally reverted that edit. Yes. I think I accidentally broke the template, which was the template's fault. Yes, I think I have fixed it. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Been there, brother. Been there. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:49, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Dlohcierekim - I think that there is a fragility to the template, and maybe to other templates. If one inserts the {{coin-notice}} template on a talk page, and forgets to substitute it, which is an oversight that even an experienced editor can make, then, under certain circumstances, that I have not yet identified, if text is added immediately after the template notice (such as an explanation of how serious the issue is), then the text is inserted into the template rather than only onto the user's talk page. I will report this as a bug. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Pascal Levensohn for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pascal Levensohn is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pascal Levensohn until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Edwardx (talk) 18:09, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Edwardx - It's not my article. I have notified User:JaneWatson88 of the nomination. The article and the draft have a complicated history, and I have also nominated the draft because it is a duplicate of the article (whether or not the article should be kept). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:25, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It is good that WP:Twinkle informs the article creator, yet I guess it is not realistic for nominators to check for rare exceptions like this. Edwardx (talk) 18:41, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

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15:52:05, 10 February 2018 review of submission by Lynneuna

• Lynneuna (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Cynthia MacAdams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Have studied your comments and have edited for more neutral language. Would appreciate re review as want to get this bio included in Wikipedia. Thank you. 

Lynneuna (talk) 15:52, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Lynneuna - Thank you for reworking the draft. I will ask for the comments of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. I see that you have a history of editing only Draft:Cynthia MacAdams and no other drafts. Do you have an affiliation with MacAdams or her studio or agent? If so, you are required to declare it in accordance with the conflict of interest policy. If not, and if you are only trying to improve the encyclopedia by adding one article, you can help us at least as much with any of the five million articles that we already have as with one that we do not yet have. Are you working for or with MacAdams? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello. In answer to your question regarding COI, I have worked with Cynthia MacAdams. I do know her. I feel she is a notable photographer and should be included in Wikipedia. I have also begun to make some small edits to other articles within my realms of expertise. The Wikipedia world is certainly fascinating and I am attempting to learn the ways of communicating and editing. A couple of people have edited Cynthia MacAdams since the last communication and improved it. I am hoping it is ready to be published. Please advise.Lynneuna (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you! Wonnral (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Notify

Hi, I saw the note you left in the article Gjirokaster. Can you help me by telling me what method should I follow to inform other editors?(Bes-ART (talk))

User:Bes-ART - I think that the instructions at DRN should say, but any notice on their talk pages is satisfactory if it is clear. It must be on their talk pages. There is a template for the purpose, but it is not required. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Help with the Requested commens

Hi. Please take a look at the Comment request for The National Memo article. Following your comment on dispute noticeboard, I've raised the request for comments. But I noticed that when I add proposed edits table the whole section disappears from this section. What I am doing wrong? Should this request contain "proposed edits"? Thank you. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 11:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Bbarmadillo - You are a paid editor who is trying to rewrite The National Memo to be a better advertisement for your blog. If so, it is really up to you and your customers to have the proper knowledge of Wikipedia in order to do what you are trying to do, or at least to acquire that knowledge without making excessive demands on the time of volunteer editors for assistance with tools. It appears that you are trying to use a template in order to create the Request for Comments, but that the template is not behaving in the way that you expect. Templates require knowledge of how they work in order to be used properly. If you can't figure out how a template works, use a different template or don't use a template; don't ask real volunteer editors for a lot of hand-holding with tools. I don't know what the problem is. When I create a Request for Comments, I don't use a template, and I am able to edit it myself without asking for hand-holding. I will be taking this discussion to your talk page where it will be seen by other editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Y~ruwiki/TEM (nuclear propulsion)

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "TEM (nuclear propulsion)".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Home Lander (talk) 01:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Home Lander - It certainly isn't my draft, and I see that I said that it didn't say enough. Twinkle strikes again, and it notifies me about pages that I moved from sandboxes. I concur. Let it go. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh yep, sure enough it did it again. I accidentally notified Alex Shih about one earlier. Home Lander (talk) 02:32, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 09:35:59, 14 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Jan Albert van den Berg

• Jan Albert van den Berg (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Acta Theologica (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear Robert

Thank you very much for all your helpful comments!

I’ll consider the important pointers provided by you in editing the proposal.

Thank you very much!

Kind regards

Jan-AlbertJan Albert van den Berg (talk) 09:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Jan Albert van den Berg (talk) 09:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Forest Therapy

Thank you for your comments.

However, your critique that the 'health benefits' - after having suggested to remove the 'list of health benefits' are still there is not quite true. We have dropped the list of health benefits in the proposed article but fail to recognize that for an established Public health practice you do not tell the readers of Wikipedia which key health benefits can and shall be expected. The article clearly spells out, as is common practice in scientific articles, where the limitations of the benefits are. However, several hundred published research articles in peer-reviewed journals have found a reduced blood pressure, heart beat and reduced cortisol levels... again and again. To withhold or suppress this factual information in an article on a Public health practice, such as Forest Therapy, does not make sense. Hence, we have reduced the list of benefits - as requested - and reformulated the research so that the main origin of the health benefits, the phytoncides, does in fact lead to reduced blood pressure, heart beat and reduced cortisol levels. We do hope this meets the desired standards.

Following the comments of the editors we have further reduced the section on health benefits and relabelled it 'health effects', hoping that the more neutral term 'effect' (positive or negative) does not violate any of the editorial standards in Wikipedia. Still, it is common practice in international medical references to speak about health 'benefits' as long as these benefits are underpinned sufficiently well by research findings.

As we are a large group of scientists from Australia, Austria, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the US we feel that it is more than timely that the Public health practice 'Forest Therapy' can and should be made more known. Hence, our intention to place an article in Wikipedia as users 'Geopingo' and 'Wasserlurchi' have tried. Since our first attempt of a draft article via user 'Geopingo' has been very rudely and in a truly unsubstantiated way been deleted with only user Jimfbleak being helpful in his comments to shorten, straighten and consolidating our wording, we asked another colleague, user 'Wasserlurchi', to retry with an amended version.

As scientists we surely understand the need to be precise in wording and, like Wikipedia. We appreciate that information and findings are presented in an authentic and genuine way - and on top of that replicable.

Consequently, we do hope that our most recent draft article now finds the acceptance of editors in Wikipedia.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasserlurchi (talk • contribs) 00:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply on Forest Therapy, and Possible Compromise

User:Wasserlurchi, User:Geopingo - First, who is "we"? The rule in Wikipedia is one account, one user. Second, if you are using the first person plural pronoun "we" on behalf of a group of scientists, do you have any financial or other interest in promoting forest therapy? Read the conflict of interest policy. Make any appropriate declaration. Third, although journal articles may be written to promote a particular therapy, treatment, or program, Wikipedia articles must be written from a neutral point of view. There are no exceptions permitted to the neutral point of view policy. All of the versions of your draft that I saw were written in a highly promotional manner, such as is commonly used when trying to promote a particular treatment methodology. So I will restate the question to you? Do you, the scientists, have any financial or other interest in promoting forest therapy? If so, declare it. If not, I am willing to make a suggestion. If none of you have a conflict of interest, and you are simply being too enthusiastic in promoting a therapy mode, then I will suggest that maybe User:Jimfbleak or another administrator can unprotect Draft:Forest Therapy and instead protect Forest Therapy so as to allow you to try to compose a Wikipedia article about it that complies with Wikipedia strict neutral point of view policy (as judged by experienced Wikipedians, not merely one that you think is scientifically valid). So: Do any of you have a conflict of interest to declare? If not, perhaps you can agree that you need to write in a different style than you have been using. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Forest Therapy

Dear Robert McClenon,

User Geopingo had stated clearly when submitting her draft article on Forest Therapy that she had neither a financial, promotional nor commercial interest in the subject matter, hence there was no conflict of interest whatsoever.

I myself as an international expert in empirical research state here and now that I have no financial, promotional nor commercial interest in the subject matter of Forest Therapy whatsoever. Forest Therapy is a research subject of substantial contemporary interest as underscored by the funding which goes into it at present, particularly in countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan.

Again, allow me to point out that any validated and substantiated research findings about medical benefits of a Public health practice should be of interest to the wider public. In fact, this has been acceptable practice in Wikipedia (see, for example, Extracorporeal shockwave therapy, the latter being very beneficial for patients with Plantar fasciitis.

Hope, this helps to clarify matters.

Sincerely, Wasserlurchi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasserlurchi (talk • contribs) 02:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

06:50:59, 16 February 2018 review of submission by KarmicRedemption

• KarmicRedemption (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Graphic India (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

KarmicRedemption (talk) 06:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC) Removed external links, added more independent references and publications KarmicRedemption (talk) 06:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC) KarmicRedemption (talk) 06:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

User:KarmicRedemption - In my opinion, it still reads promotionally, but I will ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:The Sun and Her Flowers

Hi Robert McClenon, I happened upon Draft:The Sun and Her Flowers and have made some improvements. Can you take a look and let me know your thoughts? Thanks. Hmlarson (talk) 23:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Due to a bout of insomnia, I ended up truncating what was left of the draft. However, my final opinion is reject the article and suggest any useful content be added to the article about the author instead. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

ANI Discussion

There is currently a discussion at Administrators noticeboard Incidents regarding an issue with which your name has been mentioned. GizzyCatBella (talk) 11:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

03:42:33, 19 February 2018 review of submission by Pompey1

• Pompey1 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:JAT Holdings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Pompey1 (talk) 03:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Pompey1 - Why did you add "Pikedsatin" at the end of the draft? Does that have a meaning? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Linton.zeng/sandbox

{{subst:User:Ale_jrb/Scripts/CSDHelper|action=decline|page=User:Linton.zeng/sandbox|tagger=Robert McClenon|declinetext=Neither WP:G1 not [[WP:G2] apply in the userspace.|admin=yes|newbie=no}} ~ GB fan 11:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

19:49:24, 21 February 2018 review of submission by 156ableitem

• 156ableitem (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Frank Cavanagh (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for taking the time to review my stub. I wasn't at all surprised that the subject didn't meet the requirements to establish musical notability, but where I'm more perplexed is in relation to the determination about independent sources. As I read and try to better understand the essay on the matter for future reference, I think I grasp that the Department of Defense source would be deemed (too) connected to the subject and possibly viewed as promotional material, as the Department is reporting on one of its own. Is this correct? SPIN, on the other hand, I'm a bit perplexed by. As a reputable music magazine separate from the source and the source's employer, wouldn't it be classified as independent? Regardless, I have nothing to challenge about your determination about the draft, just looking to better my future efforts.

Thanks again! 156ableitem (talk) 19:49, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

User:156ableitem - You may be right about SPIN, but it doesn't change my judgment to decline the submission. If you want to discuss further, please go to the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Cave for troll

I'm still a month behind looking at the Teahouse archives. One archive seemed very short, and then I discovered why. The last item on the page was a cave you created for a troll, whatever that means. Anyway, most of the questions on the page were in that cave. I'm sure that's not what you intended and I have to wonder how those questions looked before archiving. At this point, I don't think it's a problem that I removed that hat.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Vchimpanzee - Thank you. Apparently the {{hab}} template at the bottom didn't get archived properly. I tried to enclose something with {{hat}} and {{hab}} that was clearly trolling. In folklore, trolls are often ugly creatures that hide in dark places such as in caves or under bridges. By enclosing the trolling between the templates, I meant to create a "cave" to hide the troll. Apparently it didn't work properly. Thank you. Do you understand now, that Internet trolls are compared to mythological trolls, which sometimes hide in caves? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:15, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Modern-day trolls...I always picture them as needing a Podiatrist. And sun block. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

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Request on 23:31:21, 24 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Rasadeva

• Rasadeva (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Marlis Jermutus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

RE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Marlis_Jermutus Hi Robert, thank you for your review of the proposed page. I've edited the article and will resubmit. The heavy reliance on WikiCommons articles comes from the lack of digital references to events in Germany and Ireland in the 1970s and 1980s.

Some artists have their art on permanent display in museums, some artists have displayed their work in museums for exhibitions. Most artists exhibit their work for a period of time in a gallery. The references here reflect that reality.

I wanted to put in something about her notable life, but I have yet to catalog her interviews online. I'm guessing that kind of 3rd party source is acceptable. Thanks again.

Rasadeva (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Rasaveda - Wikimedia Commons is not a reliable source. If there is a lack of digital references to events in Germany and Ireland in the late twentieth century, then printed reliable sources may be used, but not unreliable digital sources. If you have further questions about what sources may be used, or other questions, you may ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:19, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Request

Comment probably relevant, but reference to guideline not relevant. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Per, Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteering#Joining a case already in progress, your comment here is unnecessary as I am already handling it. Coming in to ask essentially the same question is not helpful, especially when it is only 20 minutes later. Thanks. Nihlus 03:41, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Coco Austin

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04:45:36, 25 February 2018 review of submission by Perkins49thovi

• Perkins49thovi (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Horn Brigade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The reason given for the rejection of my page was that "the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Iron Brigade instead." However, the Horn Brigade and the Iron Brigade are not only two separate units, but have very little in common, save for that both originate in the Midwest region. They served in separate armies, in separate theaters of war, and under vastly different commanders. I do realize that the page for the Iron Brigade includes a section entitled "Other Union Army Iron Brigades," to which the Horn Brigade would be a welcome addition; however, I believe that the actions of the Horn Brigade warrant a page of their own, just like the Iron Brigade of the East, due to its uniqueness and performance in battle. Perkins49thovi (talk) 04:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Perkins49thovi = Oops. Because you put in an incorrect link, I used an incorrect link. The existing article appears to be Eastern Iron Brigade. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:04, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

The Eastern Iron Brigade is also not the same unit as the Horn Brigade, if that is what you are implying. The Horn Brigade was a unit in the Army of the Cumberland, whereas the Eastern Iron Brigade served in the Army of the Potomac. I believe there is some confusion about the nicknames being used. The Horn Brigade was known as the "Iron Brigade" of the Army of the Cumberland, in reference to the famed Iron Brigade commanded by Rufus King and John Gibbon. But it is no more than a reference. The two brigades were separate units in every capacity, and there is not a page that exists as of yet that contains information on the Horn Brigade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Perkins49thovi (talk • contribs) 20:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Perkins49thovi - I've taken out the incorrect link, and will take another look in a few hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:27, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

12:57:54, 26 February 2018 review of submission by pkrai

• wiki pkrai (talk · contribs)
  • User:Wiki pkrai/sandbox/Pradeep Rai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dear Sir, We have received the following communication with regard to our attempt to create a Wikipedia page on Pradeep Rai, a renowned senior advocate and chairman of a leading media group. We would like to submit that the earlier submission referred to in the communication has already been deleted and is not awaiting review. Further, we have re-submitted the article after having addressed the problem of duplication and copyright violation. Please let us know what further actions/corrections/changes have to be made in this regard. wiki pkrai (talk) 12:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

User:wiki pkrai - Who is "we"? Who are you, and who is paying you? If you are editing on behalf of a group or organization, please make the required disclosure as specified by the conflict of interest guidelines and the paid editing guidelines. What further actions and corrections are needed can be considered after you make the required disclosure. If you have any more questions, please ask them at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Request on 06:02:16, 27 February 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Htberk

• Htberk (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:United States Bridge Championships (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, my original version of United States Bridge Championships found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:United_States_Bridge_Championships was rejected based on notability (only primary sources). I have since updated it in two ways.

First, I have decided to split up the one page into multiple pages, one for each category. This way it allows me to go into more depth for each category without worrying that the article will be way too long and hard to read. I do not wish to resubmit the original article, but will still be using the information on it to construct the other articles.

This leads me to the first section I have been working on to make its own article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:United_States_Bridge_Championships_-_Open

On the subject of notability, I have found multiple New York Times articles in relation to the subject matter at hand, and have submitted this article for review. Is this enough for notability? If not, what is the threshold that I need to achieve in order to have "notability".

Thanks for your time.

Hi- Have you had a chance to read this note and look at the notability of the newer article I created (which just has the first section of the older article as I am splitting it up as to not overwhelm the readers).

Thanks and let me know what you think. 11 March 2018

Htberk (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Htberk - I will comment more shortly, but my main recommendation is to ask for help at the Teahouse. Your decision to split the article into multiple articles may very well be the right thing to do, but it also makes review a little more complicated. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:54, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Why would this make the review a little more complicated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Htberk (talk • contribs) 01:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Help me

Hi , Robert I am sorry for disturbing you ,but I don't know what happened in my talk page , please if you have the time help me,I am sorry.--Salsabil rajhi (talk) 06:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Whoa! Robert, all your user boxes and other items are now posted on SR's talk page. Must have happened when you posted a notification to him. He definitely needs your help! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:38, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) SR had transcluded Robert's user page instead of linking his username. A common-enough mistake. Now fixed. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:06, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Salsabil rajhi, User:Tribe of Tiger, User:jmcnh - Please restate any requests for help. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

12:58:26, 27 February 2018 review of submission by Wiki pkrai

• Wiki pkrai (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Pradeep Rai (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for the update. This regards your query seeking clarification on who "We" are. We are a small group of junior legal practitioners working with Senior Advocate Mr Pradeep Rai. ('Senior advocate' in India is a designation conferred on an advocate by the Supreme Court or a High Court. Only Supreme Court and the High Courts have the power to an advocate as a Senior Advocate). Writing for this page is part of our overall work with Mr Pradeep Rai. Please do let us know any other information we need to furnish in this regard.

Please get it okayed on the two main points, since Wikipedia asks if it is 'paid work'. It says: "A paid contribution is one that involves contributing to Wikipedia in exchange for money or other inducements." Details here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure.

Wiki pkrai (talk) 12:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

15:15:31, 28 February 2018 review of submission by Hturnt

• Hturnt (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Chaz Ortiz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I am requesting a review because i believe this subject to have adequate notability; perhaps not to everyone, but the topic of skateboarding is a very large one and it is growing rapidly. The fact that one of the most famous skateboarders, Chaz Ortiz, does not have a Wikipedia article was surprising to me, as he is known by anybody who skateboards or watches Street League. Also, the sources that I listed are ones that cover all sports, and some that cover all of skateboarding. These sources both have coverage of a specific person of the sport of skateboarding, so I believe it is notable.

Hturnt (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

User:Hturnt - There is discussion at the Teahouse. Since one respected editor says that they think that he passes general notability, I am inclined to accept after you resubmit. However, please discuss with us at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Editing News #1—2018

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On disagreeing

RE usually disagree? I found that a little surprising. For what its worth, I feel I rarely disagree with you. I guess my voicing of complaints from an outside perspective is easy to find disagreeable, and my commonly employed communication style seems to rub you poorly, but I am attempting to work on these things. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

User:SmokeyJoe - Okay. Good. We agree after all about subpages of sandboxes maybe. I think that only the /sandbox page or nummbered sandboxes after it are exempt from deletion, and that named subpages are just user pages. Maybe we agree on that. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Also I think that we agree on more than we disagree about the math stubs and drafts. I think that I have forgotten more math than a certain editor has learned, but I am willing to defer to the judgment of the mathematicians in WP:WikiProject Mathematics. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:34, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Express Entry Post By New User

(I thought this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Express_Entry would be an easy post to start with. Now I know none of them are easy. :)

A few questions before I start consolidating my Express Entry Post with the previous one.

Would Immigration Agencies count as secondary sources? All reputable agencies are legal experts and work daily in the interpretation of the Canadian Immigration Law. I am thus inclined to think that the immigration services (those who can prove that their author is a qualified Immigration Consultant and also boasts a good reputation amongst users) would be the most up to date secondary source available. What is your opinion?

There are other secondary sources but they usually focus on the amounts of people who use express entry, and not the details as pertains to its inner workings.

Thanks A Million! Onkreukbaar (talk) 07:09, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 11:38:41, 3 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Powerd By AMAS

• Powerd By AMAS (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Jerome-Adika Vincent Sator Jr (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please clarify how you believe this draft " appears to have been written to praise its subject rather than describe him neutrally". I think I was very neutral in just stating the facts. Please point out som eexamples.

Powerd By AMAS (talk) 11:38, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 11:39:27, 3 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Powerd By AMAS

• Powerd By AMAS (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Jerome-Adika Vincent Sator Jr (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please clarify how you believe this draft " appears to have been written to praise its subject rather than describe him neutrally". I think I was very neutral in just stating the facts. Please point out som examples.

Powerd By AMAS (talk) 11:39, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 06:45:22, 5 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Esta Pretorius

• Esta Pretorius (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Gadget Shop South Africa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Good day Robert McClenon Thank you for your feedback on the article "The Gadget Shop South Africa" The sources referenced are from independent news or blog sources - and not sources created by The Gadget Shop South Africa

Would you please be of assistance so I can understand where the promotional content is? Is it the sources that is the problem?

Please also see an article which gives subjective opinions and hence my confusion for the article being declined Things such as "leaders in classifieds" etc are posted on this article yet it was accepted? Junk Mail Digital Media

Your assistance will be greatly appreciated Thank you and have a lovely day

Esta Pretorius (talk) 06:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Esta Pretorius. I am an administrator and can view deleted drafts. I read this one, and overtly promotional, advertising-type language was everywhere within the draft. Wikipedia articles must be written from the neutral point of view, and your draft violated that policy. Perhaps the worst of the promotional language was "After more than 12 years in the industry The Gadget Shop maintains it’s vision to be the go-to store for all innovative, unique and new gadgets, gizmos, toys and hi-tech products for the South African public and maintains it’s national footprint with the public." But there were many other examples of such promotional language. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Esta Pretorius - If there is another article which is in article space and has overly promotional language, that is probably because no one has requested that it be deleted. If so, either you or another editor may tag another article that is an advertisement for speedy deletion as an advertisement. If you have any more questions, please ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Esta Pretorius - I have a question. Do you have any connection with Gadget Shop South Africa? Please read the conflict of interest policy. If you have any connection with Gadget Shop, you must declare it. In particular, if you are editing in the course of your employment, you must make the declaration in accordance with the paid editing policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Duplicated message of disrupted editing

Hi, I just noticed that you had left a message about disruptive editing on my talk page, where there had already been another users comment about it. Would it be okay if I deleted it? Cheers! Mirthpines (talk) 10:53, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Mirthpines - First, you edited N disruptively twice, so you got warned twice. Second, however, you are almost always permitted to remove messages from your talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:39, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:BiondVax

User:Robert_McClenon Just wanted to let you know I have read your concerns regarding Draft:BiondVax. I would like to explain that I have done my best to create a neutral article, with reliable sources, and have been transparent regarding my connection to the topic. I am not an experienced editor, and frankly even if I wanted to, I wouldn't understand how or why I'd try "to keep it under the radar". (I had to look up 'sockpuppet' on UrbanDictionary!). I welcome input from experienced editors such as yourself on how to improve the article. --WanderingJosh (talk) 13:18, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

User:WanderingJosh - I am the wrong experienced editor to ask for help on how to improve an article that you are being paid to edit. I do not work with paid editors and am not here to help paid editors. You may be able to find an editor at the Teahouse who will be willing to help you. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Leonor Anthony

Hi, Robert - Draft:Leonor Anthony is back in the AfC queue but I'm not seeing much difference from the way it was when you sent it back to draft space except for a few minor edits by a now blocked user. I'm thinking to send it back to Draft because it still reads like an activist promotion rather than a notable BLP. Your thoughts? Do what you will with my blessings. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Atsme - I didn't really "send it back" to draft space, at least not as I would use the phrase. That, to me, implies moving it from article space to draft space, a half-delete. I moved it from a user sandbox to draft space. I didn't accept it or decline it, but it was then reviewed by another reviewer who (as you say) has been blocked as a sockpuppet. I would describe the question as whether to leave it in draft space (decline it) or to promote it to article space. I would suggest either asking the author to disclose any conflict of interest, or asking for a review at WP:WikiProject Visual Arts. In looking at the history, it is likely that the author is the subject, and also possible that the author is being hired by the subject. Notice that the author has never edited anything else. That is my thought. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 13:57:44, 8 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by MrUntitled

• MrUntitled (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Elias Software (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, it's pretty difficult to improve upon an article that has been deleted. I understand why it was not approved but it does feel a bit harsh to make people redo the whole thing as opposed to giving them the chance to make the necessary changes.

MrUntitled (talk) 13:57, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

MrUntitled - I apologize for the wording of the message if it encourages you to improve the draft. You should not be encouraged to approve a draft in the case where an article on the subject was already deleted after a formal deletion discussion. It has been the judgment of the community that the company is not notable and that the previous article was not appropriate. You may ask to have either the deleted article or the deleted draft restored to your user space by making a request at Requests for Undeletion, and you may try to develop a draft that shows that the company is notable. However, that is typically a high hurdle to clear if there has already been a deletion discussion. You may ask any further questions at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

By the way, are you affiliated with Elias Software in any way? If so, that would be a conflict of interest, and it is even more difficult to get an article approved if you have a conflict of interest and there has already been a deletion discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Alpha Centauri case

Commenting here, since I'm not your target audience on the dispute resolution talk page. For what it's worth, I think the problem was essentially insoluble. In my opinion, what's going on is that Kvaelen has little expertise in the subject matter, and after a month of talk (and a full novella's worth of verbiage), remains convinced that arguing long enough and hard enough will allow the edits to be made. I understand ArianeWiki is a professional astronomer, but does not have a good "bedside manner", which tends to escalate disputes. In this case, pretty clear patience had been exhausted. So, no good answer.

I may be next in the barrel, I'm having a dispute on Superconductivity where it's pretty much the same issue of not understanding the material and adding noise to articles. Maybe the right answer is to take it to WP:Dramaboard when it happens. Regards, Tarl N. (discuss) 20:55, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Tarl N. - I don't really know what the issue was in the first place anyway. I did see that originally Kvaelen made a large edit, and it was reverted as needing consensus, and that all efforts that I made to get him to specify any specific edits failed because he went on and on and on.

The other thing about Arianewiki is that they erase notices from their talk page. This is permitted but is not the best practice, and can appear to be disruptive.

I can't recommend starting off going to WP:ANI. Unless it is very clear that one editor is being disruptive, it is likely that the thread will be categorized as a content dispute (and it does start as a content dispute) and closed without action. My advice on Superconductivity would be to try to request knowledgeable help at WP:WikiProject Physics first. Then, if the noisy editor still persists, there may be a better case at WP:ANI. I do think that I will provide instructions on what I think should be done next in a few cases including Alpha Centauri.

It doesn't seem that my sarcastic humor did any good or harm. Okay. It made me feel better.

Robert McClenon (talk) 00:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Chuckle. Tarl N. (discuss) 01:13, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

New Jersey-related AfDs

I read your statement at ARBCOM explaining how there is no obvious reason why there should be battleground editing in the area of New Jersey. I think you are missing the subtle point. Which is that all the articles being warred over are about politicians, and Alansohn is a politician himself. The topic of post-1932 politics of the United States is undoubtedly a battleground topic. The case label is fairly inaccurate. Prince of Thieves (talk) 12:51, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Prince of Thieves - If the articles being warred over are politicians, then discretionary sanctions over biographies of living persons also apply. In that case, I will add to my statement to say that arbitration is not necessary because Arbitration Enforcement is already available. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Collaboration with the Axis Powers during World War II. Legobot (talk) 04:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

00:31:08, 13 March 2018 review of submission by Lynneuna

• Lynneuna (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Cynthia MacAdams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Lynneuna (talk) 00:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I am requesting an update on the re-review of Cynthia MacAdams article. It is currently located in the sandbox of Carlosdanna. He is currently blocked and I am wondering if this will affect the publishing of the article. I have heavily edited the article and others have also contributed to the editing after you called for feedback. Carlosdanna was helping me with the proper formatting for the sources and references, but has been cited for sockpuppetry. We are two separate people. Two separate accounts. I understand what might be the misunderstanding. However, any issues derived from my being a novice and needing help with the source formatting. My understanding has grown and I am looking forward to contributing editing to Wikipedia. Please advise if the Cynthia MacAdmas article can be published in its current revised form.Lynneuna (talk) 00:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Lynneuna - Did you read the notice at the top of my talk page? You are an editor who has a history of editing one article. Do you have an affiliation with MacAdams? If so, please make the proper conflict of interest disclosure. I do not normally follow a submission through the approval process. Please ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I am receiving guidance from other editors now. Regarding COI, I stated previously that I have in the past worked with Cynthia MacAdams, so I know her work. I felt that she is notable for Wikipedia. Recently, when Kate Millett died I read her Wikipedia page, and other pages of photographers such as MaryEllen Mark and thought that I'd like to create such a page for Cynthia MacAdams. I intend to edit other Wikipedia pages as I have time.Carlosdanna, who has helped with the source formatting early on does not have any association with Cynthia MacAdams. He was just trying to help me out as a newbie. I think that he still may be blocked. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynneuna (talk • contribs)

Draft: The Untouchable (band)

Robert, I wasn't sure if you have seen my reply to your request for information about my article submission. In case it fell through the cracks (I know that you are extremely busy), I have copied it below.

Hello Robert, thank you for your speedy response and inquiry about notability of The Untouchable. I have been motivated to write this article for many years (I was a disc jockey at a large NJ/Philadelphia radio station in the 80's), due in part to the repeated references in interviews by James Osterberg (Iggy Pop) to this all-girl band's influence on him and his band The Stooges after seeing them perform in 1967. Most recently in the Jim Jarmusch film "Gimme Danger" he again credits them with "shaming" him into taking his band seriously, as they were so much better than he was (his words). After researching this, many other details were discovered. As mentioned in the article, after being signed by Charles Koppelman of Koppelman and Rubin, the were assigned producer John Boylan to record their first single. Present at that recording session was world renowned studio designer and architect John Storyk (who designed Electric Lady studios as his first project), who also notes that his first time in a recording studio (Bell Sound, NY) was with The Untouchable at this session. So there is quite a bit of "six degrees of separation" with the band (who broke up in 1969) and many notables in the music world. The Jarmusch film also peaked the curiosity of a writer for Ugly Things magazine, which resulted in a multi-paged article in issue #45 in 2017. It is for these reasons that I believe this band needs to have a presence on Wikipedia for historical perspective and reference.DMV2017 (talk) 11:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

User:DMV2017 - Do you have a connection with the band? If so, please declare your conflict of interest. (I am asking because your only edits in the past few months have been to the band.) I do not normally follow a draft through the approval process. I suggest that you ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

User:DMV2017 and Robert McClenon, see my comments at Draft talk: The Untouchable (band), where a copy of the post which started this thread was made. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:23, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 20:38:59, 14 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Dthomson102467

• Dthomson102467 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Northeast Arc (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi. I made updates to my original submission and re-submitted it. I'm wondering if I didn't apply the changes properly because I haven't heard back from anyone on it. This is the first article I've tried to add to Wikipedia so any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Dthomson102467 (talk) 20:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC) David Thomson Dthomson102467 (talk) 20:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Dthomson102467 - I do not normally follow a draft through the submission process. However, in this case, the draft still has no independent references, and so I will decline it on notability grounds (which I referred to in my previous decline). The only edits that you have made have been to this draft. Do you have a connection with the organization? If so, please declare your conflict of interest. You can ask for the comments of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

10:59:35, 15 March 2018 review of submission by Spiros4m

• Spiros4m (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:The most Simple Theory of Everything (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Spiros4m (talk) 10:59, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Just to say that I have read thoroughly this article and I have to say that it is quite comprehensive, especially when reading carefully from step to step. Of course it takes too much time to read and make sure that relationships and calculations are correct. However personally I did it and I did confirm the reliability of this article. If you allow me, I would kindly suggest you whenever you have time to have a good look again. Given that I am not seeing any mistakes, this article looks really interesting and it can really consist a very brilliant theory. Many Thanks for your time and consideration. Spiros Papathanasiou El. Engineer, Phd 4M S.A.

ACTRIAL - next steps for the Future of AfC & NPP

Hello Robert McClenon, thank you for your efforts reviewing New Page and AfC submissions and your support for the ACTRIAL initiative.

The conclusion to the ACTRIAL report commissioned by the Wikimedia Foundation strongly reiterates our long-time on going requirements for the NPP and AfC processes to be improved. Within minutes of the trial being switched off, the feed was swamped with inappropriate creations and users are being blocked already.
This is now the moment to continue to collaborate with the WMF and their developers to bring the entire Curation system up to date by making a firm commitment to addressing the list of requirements to the excellent suite of tools the WMF developed for Curation. Some of these are already listed at Phabricator but may need a boost.
The conclusions also make some recommendations for AfC.
A place to discuss these issues initially is here where you are already a task force member.

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Hasty PRODing

Robert, the article you proposed for deletion has been in existence for less than 30 minutes, and I am actively editing it. Don't you think that this is a bit premature? J-Mo 03:11, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Bullying case from a group in Wikipedia ES (Spanish) in editing articles related to the Venezuelan presidential candidate Javier Bertucci

Respectfully, I have to contact a Wikipedia administrator, because I noticed a bullying on Wikipedia ES. The pages involve are in Spanish, but I'm adding translations Link. Here was what I wrote to the user in his English Common page (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Taichi), he blocked me Spanish page and I couldn't talk in his Spanish page because he put in place restrictions such as blocking me or requesting more than 50 edits to edit in his page. Please read his discussion page that will direct you to the other pages with translations in English. I can explain more as you request it from me. Thanks,--Edugraph (talk) 12:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Google translation/traducción de Google: La Wikipedia en inglés no tiene absolutamente ninguna autoridad sobre Wikipedia en español o sobre Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia Commons no tiene absolutamente ninguna autoridad sobre la Wikipedia en inglés o la Wikipedia en español. Cada Wikipedia es autónoma y establece sus propias reglas y procesos a excepción de unas pocas reglas impuestas por la Fundación Wikimedia. (Wikimedia Foundation y Wikimedia Commons no son lo mismo.) Las personas que son administradores en una Wikipedia no son administradores automáticamente en otras Wikipedias y cada Wikipedia elige, disciplina y elimina solo a sus propios administradores. Deberá utilizar los procesos proporcionados por la Wikipedia en español para resolver sus inquietudes. Wikipedia en inglés no puede ayudarte. English: English Wikipedia has absolutely no authority over Spanish Wikipedia or over Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia Commons has absolutely no authority over English Wikipedia or Spanish Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia is autonomous and establishes its own rules and processes with the exception of a few rules imposed by the Wikimedia Foundation. (Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Commons are not the same.) People who are administrators in one Wikipedia are not administrators automatically in other Wikipedias and each Wikipedia chooses, disciplines and removes only its own administrators. You will have to use the processes provided by Spanish Wikipedia to resolve your concerns. English Wikipedia can not help you. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:53, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks 2

Hi Robert, can you assist. I am assisting students to learn to use Wikipedia and I asked them to start work in their sandboxes. You have been helping, but I see that you have moved some work to drafts saying this is the "preferred" location. Can you tell me when this was decided? As it is it just leads to confusion for them and me because their work is not where it was expected. If this is policy then why is the sandbox still available? Victuallers (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Victuallers - Did they Submit the sandboxes to AFC for review? If a sandbox is Submitted to AFC for review, meaning that the author is requesting that it be reviewed for acceptance into article space, it is useful and preferred first to move it into draft space with a title that will be the title of the article. If a student is simply editing in a sandbox for testing, they do not need to Submit the sandbox for AFC review. Maybe they think that Submit only means request another look for any reason. It means request a review for acceptance into article space. What are you trying to teach the students? What is the nature of the project? Have you discussed the project at the Educational Assignment Noticeboard? If you have any more questions, please ask at ENB or the Help Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Robert, I can see what happened now. That makes sense. I should have tipped them off that pressing the review button might result in their work being moved. Maybe I would have found that out at EAN. Thanks for your help - I understand. Obviously its a shock when it goes, The student in question has started another article in their sandbox and I'm not sure they understand where the first one disappeared to. Victuallers (talk) 14:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Victuallers - What are you teaching your students, and what are they trying to do in the sandboxes? Maybe I can give better advice if I know what the purpose is. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC) Thank you Robert. The students are Masters students who are on a course on Digital Marketing. Many of them are working in their second language. This enables them to write about notable Chinese subjects with authority. They all understand the 5 pillars are they have been tasked to create information about subjects that relate to digital marketing in an academic way. When they feel confident then they are experimenting with adding work to Wikipedia. The work is in "in" today and I asked them all to post no new work to Wikipedia outside their sandbox over the weekend (to prevent them just pasting and running away). Sorry for late reply. Victuallers (talk) 08:05, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

ANi

Another user removed [14] likely by accident. However, since the IBAN/TBAN is passing with leading Admins supporting it I am really surprised you posted what you posted. Legacypac (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Raakshas: India's No 1 Serial Killer Afd

You may want to consider bundling Anti-Social Network, Compass Box Killer, and Mumbaistan into that nomination. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

User:JJMC89 - Done. Of course, this only applies to what is left after you have redacted the copyvio. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. — JJMC89 (T·C) 00:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Mumbaistan and similar - AfD notice

Hi, is there a reason you're putting the AfD notices at the bottom of the page? WP:AFDHOWTO is pretty clear about putting them at the top, is there something I'm missing? ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 23:38, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Bellezzasolo - Sloppiness, probably. I don't generally put AFD notices on articles manually, but that is necessary when bundling; like most reasonable NPP editors, I normally use Twinkle, which does it right. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem, I've never done bundling, so wasn't sure whether I'd missed something. After all, these are pages that are more notice than content. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 00:10, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

DRN: Broadridge Financial Solutions

Hi Robert, I was in the process of preparing a note for the Broadridge Financial Solutions discussion at resolution noticeboard when I noticed the discussion was closed. My apologies, I was not on Wikipedia over the weekend so I only saw your note today. I am disappointed that there has not been more discussion, however I did not consider the matter to be resolved. I do suspect that Spintendo is not going to comment again, as it has been more than a week. Is it worth re-opening, or would you recommend another course of action? Danilo Two (talk) 18:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Danilo Two - On the one hand, if you want to try to re-open, you may do so. I don't know how likely that it is to help, because, as you said, User:Spintendo has not commented in several days. You may try. Further discussion on the article talk page may also help. Is there any specific content issue that prevents resolution? The alternatives include a Request for Comments, and also formal mediation, which is also voluntary, but is a slow process that can take months. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I apologise for not responding. If Danilo would like to re-open that is fine with me. I will have to be more vigilant in responding, I had thought there would be more time too, but I suppose Mr. McClenon isn't running a cocktail lounge there, and visitors are expected to keep it moving briskly I will try to be quicker next time, if there is a next time. Thank you both Spintendo      00:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice on my proposed article, Multisensory learning. I have added the references as suggested. jnhmunro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnhmunro (talk • contribs) 19:45, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

March 2018

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Osplace 03:56, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Anti-Flame Barnstar
		For keeping a level head and staying cool with the whole Sammy Sosa/discretionary sanction warning with another user. You were clearly correct in your actions. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Interveinal

I think you moved a little fast on this and missed the comment on the Interveinal and the section on Talk:Interveinal. Please read Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 144#RfC: Cross-wiki redirects to Wiktionary before attemptiong to remove or delete the page. Nessie (talk) 15:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Clarification of wording of Barbara's topic ban

Sandstein has closed the User:Barbara (WVS) ANI discussion with a topic ban worded "is topic-banned (WP:TBAN) from medical articles". Following discussion with Sandstein regarding the scope of that topic ban (User_talk:Sandstein#What_the_topic_ban_covers), it is felt that further wording is required. Therefore it is proposed that the wording of the topic ban is amended to read:

"By consensus of the community, Barbara (WVS) (talk · contribs), also editing as Bfpage (talk · contribs), is topic-banned (WP:TBAN) from health and medical topics, including anatomy and sexuality, broadly construed, and is also banned from interacting with Flyer22 (talk · contribs) (WP:IBAN)."

As you took place in the discussion, please visit Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal_for_clarification_of_scope_of_topic_ban to give your views. SilkTork (talk) 08:36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Clarification of wording of Barbara's topic ban

Sandstein has closed the User:Barbara (WVS) ANI discussion with a topic ban worded "is topic-banned (WP:TBAN) from medical articles". Following discussion with Sandstein regarding the scope of that topic ban (User_talk:Sandstein#What_the_topic_ban_covers), it is felt that further wording is required. Therefore it is proposed that the wording of the topic ban is amended to read:

"By consensus of the community, Barbara (WVS) (talk · contribs), also editing as Bfpage (talk · contribs), is topic-banned (WP:TBAN) from health and medical topics, including anatomy and sexuality, broadly construed, and is also banned from interacting with Flyer22 (talk · contribs) (WP:IBAN)."

As you took place in the discussion, please visit Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal_for_clarification_of_scope_of_topic_ban to give your views. SilkTork (talk) 08:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Recent Help on Race Winning Brands

Hello, Robert. This month you gave us a few suggestions to edit a Wiki page. I took to those suggestions, greatly edited the page, removing all promo-talk, etc. Is there any way you could take another look at it, please? And let me know if the page can be published? Draft:Race_Winning_Brands Thanks for all your help! Kyle.T.Welch (talk) 16:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Kyle.T.Welch - Did you read the banner at the top of my talk page when you posted this request? First, I do not normally follow a submission through the approval process. However, second, you are a single-purpose account with a history of only editing Race Winning Brands and its subsidiaries. This behavior, focusing only on one set of companies, is usually typical of conflict of interest editors. You have not made a conflict of interest disclosure? Should you? If you actually do not have an association with Race Winning Brands, and really just want to contribute to Wikipedia, you can help at least as well with the 5.5 million articles that we already have as well as with one that we do not yet have. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Kyle.Welch - In my opinion, the draft is not much of an improvement. It is still about what the company says about itself, not what others have said about it. The improvement is only that it is now one draft and not seven. I can ask for another reviewer at the Teahouse. It doesn't appear that the draft is about to be accepted, but I will still ask whether there is a self-serving reason why you are interested only in this draft article. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

I've copied this discussion to Draft talk:Race Winning Brands so we can centralize discussion. Legacypac (talk) 17:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice on my proposed article, Multisensory learning.

I have added the references as suggested. Draft:Multisensory learning user:jnhmunro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnhmunro (talk • contribs) 16:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

21:27:21, 26 March 2018 review of submission by GaryS73

• GaryS73 (talk · contribs)
  • User:GaryS73/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

GaryS73 (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

i'm new to this so please provide some guidance as to specifically why this was rejected. thank you.

GaryS73 (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

User:GaryS73 - We already have an article on Covenant Aviation Security. What are you trying to do? Were you trying to add to the article, or to replace the article, or what? If you really don't know how to use Wikipedia, maybe you should try to learn by playing The Wikipedia Adventure, or ask for advice at the Teahouse. What were you trying to do?

Also, if you are employed by Covenant Aviation Security, read the conflict of interest policy and make the required disclosure. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Robert McClenon. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Aroorbach9 (talk) 02:50, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft submission Jeronym Zajicek. As to your question regarding musical notability, a number of works by this composer were published by a commercial sheet music publisher not associated with the composer. Commercial interest in his works should attest to notability of his music. As to your suggestion to submit the article to the classical music project group - I am not a skilled wikipedia writer, I just don't know how to do it. Can you help? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karel dragoun (talk • contribs) 20:09, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Margot Robbie

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A Barnstar for you

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		For the assistance that Robert McClenon provided at a recent AN/I involving myself, I hereby award them the Barnstar of Diplomacy. The input and feedback provided by you was invaluable and much appreciated. Feedback is always important, but to receive it from an experienced Wikipedian such as yourself meant so much more to me, and I truly appreciate the time you spent on this matter.  Thank you very much! Spintendo      07:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

New Page Review Newsletter No.10

Hello Robert McClenon, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

ACTRIAL:

• ACTRIAL's six month experiment restricting new page creation to (auto)confirmed users ended on 14 March. As expected, a greatly increased number of unsuitable articles and candidates for deletion are showing up in the feed again, and the backlog has since increased already by ~30%. Please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day.

Paid editing

• Now that ACTRIAL is inoperative pending discussion, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary.

Subject-specific notability guidelines

• The box at the right contains each of the subject-specific notability guidelines, please review any that are relevant BEFORE nominating an article for deletion.
• Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves with the new version of the notability guidelines for organisations and companies. A further discussion is currently taking place at: Can a subject specific guideline invalidate the General Notability Guideline?

Nominate competent users for Autopatrolled

• While patrolling articles, if you find an editor that is particularly competent at creating quality new articles, and that user has created more than 25 articles (rather than stubs), consider nominating them for the 'Autopatrolled' user right HERE.

News

• The next issue Wikipedia's newspaper The Signpost has now been published after a long delay. There are some articles in it, including ACTRIAL wrap-up that will be of special interest to New Page Reviewers. Don't hesitate to contribute to the comments sections. The Signpost is one of the best ways to stay up date with news and new developments - please consider subscribing to it. All editors of Wikipedia and associated projects are welcome to submit articles on any topic for consideration by the The Signpost's editorial team for the next issue.

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Proposed deletion of Orayiram Kinakkalal

The article Orayiram Kinakkalal has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Duplicate page.already a page exists . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orayiram_Kinakalal

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Yourmistake (talk) 04:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Yourmistake - Twinkle strikes again. It isn't my page. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

moving The Thief (2005 film) to this page as imdb link reflects 'Desperado' due to name change, confirmed by the director

I was attempting to move The Thief (2005 film) to Desperado (2005 film) page as I noticed the film was renamed back then. I assume it is being moved but it says page is being considered for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpencerDurnam (talk • contribs) 18:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

About my ANI and discussion afterward

Hi Robert, you might not be especially excited to see me on your talk page, but I felt I should say something, given our disagreements and the ongoing discussion at VPP. (And a ping to K.e.coffman, since this concerns them, too.)

After some reflection, I can understand why you've used the phrase "bullying" to describe my decision to go to ANI, though the possibility did not occur to me until that point. For what it's worth, in writing the complaint I did not at all feel like I was doing so from a position of power, but a sense of powerlessness. I felt like the user in question had me in a corner—being the only one to ever respond to requests, and often saying no for reasons I found puzzling—and as far as I could tell, no other editors had any idea this was going on.

In fact, at one point the user advised a colleague that "you and I are the only two interested parties in this matter, and likely will ever be". It was at this time I felt compelled to bring the issue to wider awareness. ANI seemed like the right place at the time, but I respect the objections stated thereafter; perhaps COIN would have been the better place to start. Had I the opportunity to do it over again, that would be where I'd bring it to discussion.

Anyway, I would still like to say, although we've been on opposite sides of this matter: I appreciate the work you put in here. Wikipedia is extraordinarily important, and I realize you spend a lot of time dealing with some of the more controversial areas. The drama boards can be thankless, but are very necessary and need volunteers willing to keep them functioning. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

User:WWB Too - Let me explain about bullying, and also to comment further on the disconnect between different viewpoints. Bullying is not always done from a position of power. It can be done from a position of powerlessness, and you did it. If a parent has at least two children, and they are supposed to be playing, and a smaller one keeps saying to a larger one, "I'm going to tell Daddy! I'm going to tell Daddy!" repeatedly, that is a subtle form of bullying. That is what you did. You were indeed in a position of powerlessness that was carefully designed to be a position of powerlessness, and you and the other paid editors were asking Daddy to intervene, and were telling Daddy. Before you went to WP:ANI, there had been at least three burdensome requests for dispute resolution. You hadn't gotten what you wanted, and you were willing to cry and whimper and act out until you got what you wanted. Second, I had tried to ask, at the very beginning, what you wanted at WP:ANI, which is a forum for requesting administrative action. I know that some editors use it for vague complaints; that doesn't make using it for vague complaints a good idea. You had a right to ask that User:Spintendo be topic-banned from servicing the queue. That of course isn't what you wanted. You just wanted them to service the queue in a robotic fashion rather than a human fashion. Third, I still think that you were acting as though you had an employer-employee relationship, and could demand better work. At least, that is what seemed to be the explanation after you couldn't provide a statement as to what you were requesting. You were treating a volunteer as an employee. That is what I think. By the way, the most likely result now is that the edit request queue will start to build up again because it is clear that what a volunteer editor gets for working the queue is buffets and spitting. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, I understand your position. Nevertheless, thanks for hearing me out. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 19:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Request on 13:14:30, 4 April 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by JLL87

• JLL87 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:South African Mineral Reporting Codes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert. Thanks for your comments. I have included two independent news sources plus some other websites and an academic paper. What more can I do to make the article more noteworthy? Would papers presented at conferences also suffice? I'm discovering that possible news articles where the codes may be mentioned are on news sites that require subscription. Also, how is it possible that this article was published when it seems to suffer from similar problems to mine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_resource_classification I have thought about incorporating my article into this one, but the Canadian code as it's own standalone article and one for the South African codes as well is preferable. JLL87 (talk) 15:41, 9 April 2018 (UTC) JLL87 (talk) 13:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

I saw your post here and thought I'd comment. It is much preferable to expand an existing topic like the one you linked. Just set up sections for the US and Canada. That page already has Canadian references. All pages are works in process and many have issues. Fixing and improving existing pages is nearly always better than introducing new pages someone else will need to fix up as well. Thanks for your interest in helping improve coverage of these topics. Legacypac (talk) 17:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Seeking your assistance

Hello Robert McClenon, I saw that you rejected my draft of “Boundless (technology company)” and wanted to reach out directly for your advice. Another volunteer editor had suggested I post it for review yesterday, and I felt confident that coverage of the company by a wide range of respected media outlets (NYTimes, Seattle Times, Bloomberg, etc.) was sufficient to support notability. But I am new at this and editing with a declared COI, so I’m eager to improve both my editing skills and my understanding of Wikipedia rules and guidelines. If I work on this article some more in draft space before resubmitting, how can I keep it from being immediately deleted again? Thanks in advance for your guidance. Messier6 (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I will try to answer your questions, User:Messier6, but, in general, I encourage inexperienced editors, with or without a conflict of interest, to ask their questions at the Teahouse. I do not normally follow a draft through the approval process. You ask "how can I keep it from being immediately deleted again?" I don't think it was deleted. It was declined. There is a difference. If you don't understand that difference, please ask at the Teahouse. If you want another editor to look at the draft, you may ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I do see that you had earlier created the article in article space, and it was speedily deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

To protect against future speedy deletions, first, keep a copy off-line just in case. Second, make sure that your draft is not purely of an advertising nature. Third, do not move the draft into article space until you are really sure that it is ready for article space, which best means to let a reviewer decide whether it is ready for article space. It currently is not. The references are in a variety of respected media outlets, but they are mostly in the nature of press releases, in which the newspaper writes what the company says about itself. For more guidance, ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks, Robert McClenon! I just posted on The Teahouse and look forward to engaging the community there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Messier6 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi

Sorry Robert, I have semi-protected your talk page for three days for the time being. Let me know anytime if you would like it to be lifted. Regards, Alex Shih (talk) 08:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Alex Shih I was about to request semi-protection, so thank you. It doesn't appear that that unregistered editor has anything worth saying, and besides they can always get my attention by pinging me in an article talk page or their own IP talk page. Thanks for semi-protecting. It was needed. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Opportunity Network

Hi, Robert. I see that a user called Es279 previously contacted you about their article on this organisation (his/her employer). They have now created an article and I have put a COI notice on it and asked them not to edit it again. This paid editing thing is getting out of hand (see the latest entries on my Talk page). I am not sure what you think about this particular case, but I just thought I would touch base. Deb (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Deb - Well, part of the problem is that the paid editors now think that declaring is their only obligation. However, the main problem, I think, is the idea that deletion is not cleanup, and that articles cannot be deleted simply because they are blatantly promotional if they do nonetheless establish corporate notability. As it is, the paid editors can create blatantly promotional articles, which will be tagged for cleanup, and may stay tagged for cleanup until the end of the digital world in 2038. It's worth it for them to break the rules. In my opinion, part of the underlying problem is that the English Wikipedia still has an idea that it is more important to keep expanding the encyclopedia (and this means welcoming both good new editors and bad new editors) than to make sure that the articles are neutral. However, that is just my cynical viewpoint, and I know that it violates the party line, which is that expansion is the prime objective. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I think that article will survive an AFD, at least under our present rules. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with you, and I don't really get this. But at least the COI notice makes the article "look bad" and makes the creator think twice. Deb (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Deb - I don't think anything makes paid editors think twice, not even a block. I also tagged the article for GNG, but I think that they just do what they can to cheat as they can. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

If you think that means that I am saying that paid editors will evade blocks via various forms of sockpuppetry, that is exactly what I am saying. Not all of them, but enough so that they all deserve the bad reputation that a few get them. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:05, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

IP

That IP has been popping up on my and several other pages as well. It is probably this LTA. Jbh ^Talk 21:02, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Jbhunley - Yes. Another admin offered that identification. They apparently have something against FPaS (and maybe against humans). Robert McClenon (talk) 00:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know what their deal is. Some of their stuff looks like a lot of time went into it and some is not even coherent. I just do not get the LTAs in general. I mean if I wanted to howl futilely into the night, I'd go into the woods at night and … well … howl futilely. . Oh, btw I'm not an admin. Jbh ^Talk 14:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Jbhunley - I have a straightforward explanation. They're crazy. If someone whom you know only as a handle on the Internet behaves in a way that makes no sense, the least unlikely explanation is insanity.

Since the very early days of the Usenet, when the Internet was still the Arpanet, there were people whose behavior was so bizarre as to be best explained by mental imbalance. They were sometimes known as net.kooks. People were sometimes rude and abrupt on Usenet and the Internet, especially before the widespread recognition of the concept of netiquette, but net.kooks were a different matter. They weren't just unpleasant. They were recognized as something else. They had to be assumed to be crazy. Wikipedia is not very different in this respect from any other large on-line community. It has kooks. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Do not bother to ask a canid (regardless of species) why he or she howls futilely at the moon. Do not ask the moon, either; the moon doesn't hear. Do not ask why a kook howls futilely into the night. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:16, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Words of truth and wisdom! Jbh ^Talk 11:53, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Confusing comment on Triparma talk

Hi Robert,

Thanks for making my draft article a reality! You left a comment on the talk page that I'm not sure I understood- what were you trying to say with the reference to the Anybot algae articles? Daemyth (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Daemyth - Triparma was evidently one of a few thousand articles that were created by the bot and then deleted. My point was that I was ignoring the Articles for Deletion discussion. Normally when an article on a topic has been deleted, it means that there has been a decision that the topic is not notable, or for some other reason there should not be an article. In that case, the reviewer will decline the draft, and may even tag the draft, or another version of the article, for speedy deletion as a re-creation of a deleted article. In this case, there was nothing wrong with the topic. The articles were apparently garbage because the bot was no good. As we say in the Information Technology industry, Garbage In Garbage Out. Your draft was unusual and welcome in that, in my view, it didn't require the reviewer to make a judgment on notability. A few topics are what I call ipso facto notable. These include people who have held certain positions, such as generals and state senators and first-tier professional association football players. In each case, there is a notability guide that says that such people are notable. Properly documented taxons at any level are also ipso facto notable. If the botanical authority says that Triparma is a genus, and the paper identifying the genus was published in a proper journal, that is reason enough. I'm always glad to see a draft on an Indian admiral, because if The Hindu says that he has his admiral's commission, that is reason enough, and I am even more glad to see a taxon, because that is a slight expansion of human knowledge. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - Ah, I understand now! Thanks for explaining that and giving me a heads-up about it. Daemyth (talk) 03:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo

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14:21:31, 15 April 2018 review of submission by Tom Berkshire

• Tom Berkshire (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Generations of Hope (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello how are you? I have seen your review, sorry but I don´t understand why you think that the references are not adequate, since they are government and NGO pages, recognized media, academic articles and books by renowned writers of the sector. If you say this because of the references that contain interviews or quotes, I know that these texts can not be used as references, but I understood that the comments and statements made by the authors or the interviewers are valid. For example, reference 20 is intended to demonstrate the existence of Genesis, without taking into account what its Director says there. Thank you! Tom Berkshire (talk) 14:21, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Tom Berkshire (talk) 14:21, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Tom Berkshire - First, did you read the information at the top of my talk page? I see that you have posted a similar inquiry at the AFC Help Desk, and I will reply there, as other editors may. Second, do you have any affiliation or connection with Generations of Hope? Are you employed by them? If so, please make the required conflict of interest disclosure. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Declined User:Zzzoom/sandbox/Cookie Run?

You said, "Please stop submitting multiple copies of this page. It wastes the time of the reviewers and is annoying," but that is a ridiculous claim. First, I moved Cookie Run to Cookie Run (video game) in preparation for this article. Second, the article was about the series as a whole, not just the game. I don't want to be aggressive, but reading the first sentence of the draft compared to the first sentence of the standing article, you can tell one is of the series and one is of one of the games. Zoom (talk page) 21:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Zzzoom - I read the existing article and the draft, and it is not clear to me what the distinction is. I am sure that it is obvious to you, but not every reader starts off with detailed knowledge. If you want the advice of other experienced editors, please ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:32, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Kudpung#Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Bill Cobbs

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Kudpung#Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Bill Cobbs. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2018 (UTC)Template:Z48

12:45:29, 19 April 2018 review of submission by MUMACHA2203

• MUMACHA2203 (talk · contribs)
  • User:MUMACHA2203/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Kopparapu Duo Poets

Dear Editor,This message is regarding your note on my article Kopparapu Duo Poets declining your kind approval. In general terms you are right that one article is posted on one person or an entity. But, in Telugu poetic traditions in India for over a century, a kind of poetic tradition has come to stay where two poets together offer extempore poetic renditions on a given problem in Avadhana program. Only a few such duo poets existed for some decades in the last century and passed away. Most popular among them are Tirupati Venkata Kavulu whose link is given here for your reference in Wikipedia. Parallel to the times of these duo poets, Kopparapu Duo Poets also performed the Avadhana extempore poetry and often both groups challenged each other leading to the excitement of Telugu literary lovers. Hence I request you to kindly go through the article again and do let me know if you have any questionsMUMACHA2203 (talk) 12:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

MUMACHA2203 (talk) 12:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

User:MUMACHA2203 - I will be moving this discussion to the Teahouse. I will mention that one of my concerns was that I didn't know what the title of the article was supposed to be. It wasn't obvious, and it doesn't have a lede sentence. Should it be Kopparapu Duo? (Do you know how hard it is to look up an article in Wikipedia that doesn't have a name?) Robert McClenon (talk) 03:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Notability for Artist

Hello Robert,

Thank you for the information. I made this page as a requirement for an art history class where I am currently enrolled at Montana State University. I was informed by my professor that notability for an artist is if there have been five or more publications (online or in print) about their work. I will pass this on to my professor. Thank you for your help. Jennanenah (talk) 02:50, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

User:Jennanenah - I will be continuing this discussion at the Teahouse. I am not familiar with a rule about five or more publications. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:59, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Quarantining UPE product

Hi Robert.

At an MfD you asked me about my proposal to quarantine UPE product. See Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Archive_69#An_alternative_solution. I was quite surprised to read the breadth of opinion against deleting Terms Of Use violating Undeclared Paid Editor pages. It surprised me, but the opposers have some point. So I proposed another solution. No one answered, then the discussion was archived. What do you think? Good idea? Bad idea? Just say no to everything? Try nothing new without proof of community consensus? The inertia of Wikipedia backrooms I think is the root problem. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

For some odd reason, SmokeyJoe, I missed that discussion. Perhaps if I had commented it might have continued. I was impressed by SoWhy's observations. The proposal has merits that I would have supported. On one of its points, paid editors making ex post facto declarations are admitting their guilt. They are, IMO still block/banworthy, and their creations should be deleted. If nothing else, this would serves as an example and/or precedent. As long as inexperienced new page reviewers continue to miss the (fairly obvious) hallmarks of UPE, there's probably nothing much we can do preemptively until the rules are sharpened. Start a new RfC? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:02, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, User:SmokeyJoe. Either my memory is muddled, or I don't understand your views on what to do with toxic drafts and stuff, or something in between. You have advocated either quarantining or blanking undisclosed paid editing, but it seems that you have opposed my nominations to delete drafts at MFD when the primary reason to delete is that the draft is undisclosed paid editing. I know that I in general either don't agree with or don't understand your view on blanking. You seem to favor the blanking of cruddy drafts as an alternative to deletion, but blanking strikes me as somewhere on the scale between vandalism and back-door deletion. Maybe you can explain? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:48, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I oppose process creep at mfd, especially nomination without a valid reason for deletion. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

User:SmokeyJoe - Where is the list of valid reasons for MFD? Is the violation of Terms of Use of undisclosed paid editing a valid reason for MFD? If not, can we make it one? Since you have correctly stressed that UPE is a violation of the Terms of Use, why isn't that a valid reason for MFD (or is it)? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

The list of valid reasons for deletion are at WP:NOT or WP:UPNOT, or you could point to any other agreed reason. Recent discussions have to my reading precluded mere COI or UPE. I posted a link, read it. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

A problem with G5-ing the proven guilty is that it is an extreme response on meeting a high bar of proof, and no response in any other case. The UPEs learn to use many accounts and keep a low profile. That, the current practice, is clearly failing.

quarantining has the advantage of hitting the UPEs quickly and where it hurts.

RfC? In my experience, RfCs for a new practice fail on discovery of the first technical or wording problem. Pre-RfC feedback is wanted. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC) ec.