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Virat Kohli In cricket, the T20 World Cup concludes with India defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Virat Kohli pictured). In Bolivia, troops led by Juan José Zúñiga storm the presidential palace in an attempted coup. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is released from prison as part of a U.S. plea bargain. Protesters attack the Parliament Buildings in Nairobi, Kenya, leaving 19 people dead and at least 160 others injured. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Mohamed Osman Jawari Susana Ruiz Cerutti Shifty Shellshock Sergeant Cecil Frederick Crews Sika Anoaʻi view — page history — related changes — edit

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February 19

Portal:Current events/2024 February 19

February 19, 2024 (2024-02-19) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda tensions Rwanda rejects the United States' calls to withdraw troops and missile systems from the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo, citing threats from an alleged Congolese military build-up near the border. (AP) Mexican drug war Twelve gunmen are killed in a shootout with the Mexican Army in Ciudad Miguel Alemán, Tamaulipas. (AP) Red Sea crisis The Houthis claim to have shot down a United States MQ-9 Reaper drone in the Red Sea. (Fox News) Business and economy Capital One announces a deal to acquire Discover Financial for $35.3 billion. (CNN) (CNBC) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed, three are injured, and 17 are missing after a building collapses in Beirut, Lebanon. (AP) International relations Brazil–Israel relations Israeli Foreign Minister Israel Katz says that Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva is a persona non grata in Israel until he retracts his comments comparing the war between Israel and Hamas to the Holocaust. In response, Brazil recalls its ambassador to Israel. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) Law and crime Capital punishment in Pakistan The Senate of Pakistan rejects a bill that would allow public hanging of rapists. (The News Pakistan) The International Court of Justice holds public hearings on the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. (Reuters) Sports 2024 NASCAR Cup Series In stock car racing, William Byron wins the 66th Daytona 500. It is team owner Rick Hendrick's ninth victory in the event. (Reuters)

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RD: Yasmine Gooneratne

Article: Yasmine Gooneratne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sheijiashaojun (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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She died on 15 February 2024 but her death was reported by Sunday Times only as of today. Unfortunately few sources have reported her demise. Abishe (talk) 02:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - sourcing on some sections of the article seems kind of sparse. Should probably be improved on before posting. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now The article has multiple unsourced statements, and likely needs cleanup. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose until article is cleaned up. Moncoposig (talk) 15:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

February 18

Portal:Current events/2024 February 18

February 18, 2024 (2024-02-18) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War Prime Minister of Denmark Mette Frederiksen announces that the country will donate all of its artillery shells to Ukraine. (The Telegraph) Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Two-state solution The Cabinet of Israel adopts a resolution opposing unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state, following comments from France and the United Kingdom stating that they would consider unilateral recognition. (The Times of Israel) (Wall Street Journal) Channel 12 reports that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will restrict Palestinian citizens of Israel's access to the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem during the month of Ramadan due to security concerns. (The Times of Israel) Ethnic violence in Papua New Guinea At least 64 people are killed during inter-tribal fighting between the Ambulin and Sikin tribes near Wabag, Enga Province, Papua New Guinea. (France 24) Moro conflict Six soldiers and three Dawlah Islamiyah–Maute Group militants are killed in a series of military encounters in Munai, Lanao del Norte, Philippines. (Anadolu Agency) (The Philippine Star) Arts and culture 77th British Academy Film Awards The Oppenheimer film wins seven awards and 13 nominations at the British Academy Film Awards, the most at the event. (ABC News) Law and crime Two police officers and a paramedic are killed while responding to a domestic dispute in Burnsville, Minnesota, United States. The perpetrator is also killed. (CNN) (AP)

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(Posted) British Academy Film Awards

Article: 77th British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the British Academy Film Awards, Oppenheimer wins Best Film and six other awards, including Best Actor (winner Cillian Murphy pictured). (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
• Created by MSincccc (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Matt Campbell (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Only thing missing is the In Memoriam, seemingly because it hasn't got a source. Otherwise, good prose update and ref for the winners already there. Kingsif (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

On every article about the film awards, the information about nods and noms (e.g. The trio of Barbie, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Oppenheimer led the longlists ...) is in the "Ceremony information" section. Shouldn't they be in the "Winners and nominees" section instead? Shouldn't the "Ceremony information" section be named "Ceremony" instead? Is there something I'm missing here? Aaron Liu (talk) 21:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, do we really need separate sections for the non-recurring awards? Can't we put them together in the awards table? Aaron Liu (talk) 22:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

If you are talking about things like the BAFTA Fellowship, those don't have nominee lists that are publicly known, so it makes sense to keep them outside the table. — Masem (t) 23:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't see why the table has to only contain always-recurring items. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think ITNC is really the place to be chatting about the format of all the film awards articles Kingsif (talk) 03:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Film awards task force

or maybe, copied. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• From previous awards at ITNR, the lists at the bottom that add up the number of noms and wins needs to be sourced. --Masem (t) 22:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is of generally good quality and is well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks ready to go. Moncoposig (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks fully-cited and well-written. The Kip 03:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted with Best Director as the higher level award. Stephen 05:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I have to point out again that the Statistics section is unsourced, which is what stopped the Emmys from being posted. Either we accept that these are routine CALC and not SNYTH, or this should be pulled until sources are added. --Masem (t) 05:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

    Just my 2 cents, but I've always been in favor of that material being considered under WP:CALC. The info's already right there in the section above, it's just reformatting what's already there. The Kip 05:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

February 17

Portal:Current events/2024 February 17

February 17, 2024 (2024-02-17) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Avdiivka Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi announces the full withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from Avdiivka, following months of heavy fighting and Russian attempts to capture the city. (The Kyiv Independent) Red Sea crisis The United States military destroys a Houthi unmanned underwater vehicle and a Houthi unmanned surface vehicle while also conducting three strikes against Houthi anti-ship cruise missiles. (CNN) Law and crime Twelve people are killed when a man opens fire on his relatives during a family dispute at a village in Faryab County, Kerman province, Iran. (AP) Four people are killed in a shooting at a car wash in Birmingham, Alabama, United States. (CBS News)

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RD: Gamini Jayawickrama Perera

Article: Gamini Jayawickrama Perera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dinamina
Credits:

• Nominated by Titanciwiki (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sri Lankan politician, former Minister of Buddha Sasana. Titanciwiki^talk/contrib 21:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Somewhat brief but comprehensive bio, looks fully-cited. The Kip 03:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - decent sourcing and overall a good article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Johan Galtung

Article: Johan Galtung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dagbladet
Credits:

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Norwegian sociologist, principal founder of the discipline of peace and conflict studies. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is good. Moncoposig (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mike Procter

Article: Mike Procter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Axxter99 (talk · give credit), Braintic (talk · give credit), Kiwichris (talk · give credit) and Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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South African Cricketer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Many sections are entirely unsourced. Moncoposig (talk) 23:28, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable figure in cricket, have improved referencing Kiwichris (talk) 04:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now the article has been expanded and certain sections are well sourced. Abishe (talk) 11:49, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Just removed the last remaining CN tag. Article should be in decent shape now. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 13:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Lefty Driesell

Article: Lefty Driesell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post; Baltimore Sun
Credits:

• Nominated by Y2hyaXM (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zigwithbag (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Y2hyaXM (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose 3 CN tags. Moncoposig (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Two {cn} tags left. The table after the prose needs sourcing, too. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Russia takes the city of Avdiivka

Article: Battle of Avdiivka (2022–2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ukrainian forces withdraw from Avdiivka, leading to a Russian victory in the battle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ukrainian forces withdraw from Avdiivka, leading to a Russian victory in the battle.
News source(s): BBC;The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Genabab (talk · give credit)

• Oppose as this is covered by ongoing. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by ongoing. --Masem (t) 13:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  I will add that this story is falling below the fold in light of Navalny's death. Perhaps if there was more media spotlights on this story there might be reason to cover it outside ongoing, but for now, I think its that Navalny's death just dominating Russia-based news. --Masem (t) 04:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Covered by ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  @2G0o2De0ljust to be clear, when you say covered by ongoing, do you mean it doesnt need to be included because the Invasion of Ukraine is listed in ongoing events? Genabab (talk) 14:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Specifically, I mean that the Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 December 2023 – present) is listed in ongoing. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and suggest SNOW close per Ongoing. Neutral given the potential significance as a relatively unique development. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support While this is also covered by “Ongoing”, I think that blurbing this is justifiable given the high # of casualties & Avdiivka’s potential value as a logistics hub. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Mainly because it's the first notable change in territory since the fall of Bakhmut in May 2023. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. This is what ongoing is for. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - One of the most significant events in the war so far. We've blurbed events in Ukraine of particular significance before even though the item was in ongoing, I think this justifies a blurb as well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Bad close While I still oppose the blurb, the consensus has shifted and doesn't appear as clear-cut as when I suggested the SNOW close, I don't think "partial WP:SNOW" is an appropriate closure. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, though I'm not sure if reopening will be considered wheel-warring of some sort. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Since people are still adding !votes I've unclosed this. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Of course, we can't say "reopening" here, no, this is an unclosing. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  I really don't think this was wheel-warring in any way to "un-close" this. I also believe that despite my objection to blurbing this story this was in no way a WP:SNOW nor was there sufficient time given for everyone to have their say. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  In my opinion, it's both. I think the two are synonyms. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  I was just joking around, it's funny how the first is more natural but the second has kinda become the Wikipedia jargon one. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  When I 1st reopened this discussion, the edit summary I made was “Reopening.” b/c I think that’s the most natural way to say it. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  WP:SNOW continues to be blatantly overused in ITN. It had barely been half a day, and only 4 votes opposing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  Half a day, 4 opposes and no supports is enough for SNOW. It's not like one can't reopen it later. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  No, that is absolutely not enough at all. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  It was later "partial SNOW closed" after 5 opposes and 3 supports, which was definitely not enough for such a close. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - significant shift in the Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Nfitz (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Nfitz: I am assuming you were meant to say Russian invasion of Ukraine? Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  LOL, yes. Freudian slip! Thanks. Nfitz (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support as out of the ordinary in this war. Quite a major victory. I'd suggest some more wording about the strategic significance, though I'm not sure how to word it. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose this isn't a major city like Donetsk or Odesa. Furthermore this was a tactical retreat rather than a decisive military victory. It doesn't mean much militarilly outside of the narrative and propaganda uses either. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  "tactical retreat" - is how the Germans sold the retreat from Stalingrad. See also Afghanistan in 2021. Nfitz (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  A retreat is a retreat. A retreat egged on by many artillery strikes to prevent encirclement is a retreat. The city has many tactical things, in that it prevents Russia from using Donetsk as a communications hub and breakthrough point. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not doubting that this isn't a military victory, I'm just saying it isn't a particularly significant one. Donetsk still is and will be the main hub die to its significance and size. Avdiivka was lost because Ukraine isn't willing to suffer as many casualties as the Russians are, and ultimately is a small town with very little left in it of any significant military or economic value. Bear in mind Ukraine will say this was a big loss in a push to receive more support in military aid from the West and Russia will claim it's a huge victory because that will drive their propaganda and it's about the only military win they can cling onto since Bakhmut (which also wasn't that significant as it turned out). Abcmaxx (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose doubly covered by ongoing. JM (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose we should decide whether we post all "significant developments", or none of them. I'm under the impression that we have historically chosen the latter (some exceptions like the sinking of the Moskva aside ...), in which case we should avoid posting this too. Banedon (talk) 02:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  Why do you have that impression? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  See the ITN/C archives, e.g. [1] and [2]. Banedon (talk) 02:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  Both of these were Pyrrhic but of little tactical significance. I see what you mean though. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

  It took awhile for reliable sources to confirm exactly what happened in Bakhmut & Mariupol. Also, Bakhmut had little strategic value. I would’ve supported posting the fall of Mariupol & the Russian retreats from Kyiv & Kharkiv if I’d participated in discussions about those events. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 03:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose covered by ongoing. Polyamorph (talk) 06:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support – Wow what an article, I would be really proud to show this one off on the front-page. A lot of work by a lot of people to write a detailed description of this long 2-year battle, this feels like what WP:ITN was made for. Excellent update the withdrawal and aftermath too. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support - A decisive strategic victory of a years-long battle. I think the comparison to Stalingrad is apt. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I can't oppose this because the supporters are right. This is a major strategic victory, which practically achieves one of Russia's primary goals—that is, fully capture Donetsk. On the other hand, I can't support this on procedural grounds because of the ongoing item, which has been placed there for months with nothing spectacular happening. I proposed a removal of the ongoing item twice and warned that one day a major event would happen that would merit inclusion on its own. That day has cone.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Great article, and while there is ongoing, it's not unprecedented that major events within the context of ongoing are posted to ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Already covered by ongoing. Moreover, the blurb is non-neutral. Grabbing some territory containing burned out buildings while losing 10,000s of troops and 100s of armored vehicles is not necessarily a "victory." Jehochman ^Talk 18:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

February 16

Portal:Current events/2024 February 16

February 16, 2024 (2024-02-16) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2024 Kiryat Malakhi attack Two people are killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting at a bus station near Kiryat Malachi, Israel. The perpetrator is killed by an off-duty IDF reservist. (Al Arabiya) (Times of Israel) Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Avdiivka Ukraine announces the withdrawal of its troops from positions in the south of Avdiivka amid heavy clashes with Russian forces for control of the city. The withdrawal comes a day after Russian soldiers entered the city from multiple directions. (Kyiv Post) Red Sea crisis U.S. officials confirm that a cyberattack was carried out on the MV Beshad, an Iranian spy ship in the Red Sea, to prevent the ship from sharing intelligence with Houthi forces in Yemen. (NBC News) Disasters and accidents Five workers are killed and three others are injured after a supermarket under construction collapses in Florence, Italy. (AP) One firefighter is killed and 11 other people are injured after a house explodes in Sterling, Virginia, United States. (CNN) Law and crime Death and funeral of Alexei Navalny Alexei Navalny, a prominent Russian opposition leader and a vocal critic of President Vladimir Putin, dies while serving a 19-year sentence at the Polar Wolf penal colony in Tyumen Oblast, Russia. (CNN) LGBT rights in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines The High Court of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines rejects a challenge to the colonial anti-LGBT laws in the country. (Reuters) New York civil investigation of The Trump Organization Former U.S. President Donald Trump is fined over $350 million by the New York Supreme Court and temporarily barred from business in New York as a result of The Trump Organization's financial fraud. (The New York Times) A drive-by mass shooting in Birmingham, Alabama, United States kills four people. All four victims are friends of the 20-year-old gunman Lamarion Tykese Charlie. (GVA)

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RD: Alain Cribier

Article: Alain Cribier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.paris-normandie.fr/id495141/article/2024-02-17/professeur-de-renom-au-chu-de-rouen-alain-cribier-est-mort-lage-de-79-ans
Article updated
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Pioneering French cardiologist. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:14, 18 February 2024

• Weak support Well-cited, but a bit short for my liking. The Kip 03:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Idris Ali (politician)

Article: Idris Ali (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Updated by Pinakpani (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Indian MP Member of Parliament for the 16th Lok Sabha from Basirhat, West Bengal. --65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support I can't see anything particularly wrong with this article. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Is there a REF or two to support the date and place of birth listed in the infobox? This should be in the main prose, too. --PFHLai (talk) 04:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: José Gotovitch

Article: José Gotovitch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTBF
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Brigade Piron (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: An important and influential figure in the writing of Belgium's contemporary history. Death only announced on 17 February. —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bryan Thomas

Article: Bryan Thomas (architect) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Philafrenzy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English architect Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Imtiaz Qureshi

Article: Imtiaz Qureshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Created by Tachs (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian chef. Article is a reasonable start-class biography Article has developed to at least a C-class biography. Rater.js says B-class, but, I think it is a solid C-class. Ktin (talk) 03:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Support Article appears well sourced Dantus21 (talk) 12:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Referenced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Alexei Navalny dies

Articles: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag) and Death of Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in the Russian Gulag at the age of 47. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in Russian prison near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Russian authorities report the death of opposition leader Alexei Navalny in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
News source(s): Kommersant; Sky News; Life.ru; The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Kasperquickly (talk · give credit)

• Support-- obvious support here. — ♠Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support -- clearly a notable and significant death, especially in the midst of Russia's current condition. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael
• Support on notability as per above --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support* One of the most important political death of recent times 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability. Reports of this death are already the leading item of news on many publications, in Russian and English. There are some tags in the article that still need addressing. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait The report on his death is one-sided. Alexei's press secretary, Kira Yarmysh: "The Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug is spreading the news of Alexey Navalny's death in IK-3. We have no confirmation of this yet. Alexey's lawyer is currently on his way to Kharp. As soon as we have some information, we will report on it." --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  The other side is Russian government which evade answering, if we consider to wait for their respond then I'm afraid we have to wait a life-time. 3000MAX (talk) 19:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  No, the Russian government is the one which gave their version already. We're waiting for Navalny's lawyer (Leonid Solovyev) to provide independent verification. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Added altblurb2, penal colony is more precise than prison, and describing it as Russian is redundant. Giraffer (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability as a major event in Russian politics, but agree that we should be waiting for confirmation. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Support posting altblurb IV given the importance of the announcement either way, and the relative lack of independent verification. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt 2 once confirmation is in. Polyamorph (talk) 12:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  In the absence of confirmation, support alt 4 for immediate posting. Polyamorph (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt 2 if/when confirmation from his team arrives Jaguarnik (talk) 12:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support but wait. This is top news at the moment. However, wait until his death is confirmed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 12:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  not sure what kind of death confirmation you're waiting for - Putin's press sec has already confirmed that this isn't a mistake - but okay Kasperquickly (talk) 12:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  If it's a lie, Putin's the one who would benefit from telling it. If Navalny's own side also says that he died, there's no reason both sides would be lying in the same way Gimmethegepgun (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  How would Putin benefit from it, lol? what do you think Navalny's secretly kept alive in a bunker somewhere? Or has escaped prison in the middle of Siberia and is currently on the run?

  Nevermind the severe sanctions that are sure to follow together with the increased arming for the ukrainians, how on earth does putin benefit from faking his deaht? Kasperquickly (talk) 12:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Do you think that no one has ever falsely announced the death of one of their enemies on purpose? They do so when they believe they have something to gain from announcing their death, but also that keeping them alive might prove useful at some point in the future.

  His death was announced by Putin because he has something to gain from doing so. Why exactly that is isn't something we know, but there's definitely no reason why both him and Navalny's camp would lie and say that he was dead, which is why people here want confirmation from his side as well instead of just taking Russia's word on the matter Gimmethegepgun (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Confirmation of death from Navalny's spokesperson is what we're waiting for. Polyamorph (talk) 12:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  how do u imagine that happening? shes living in the west hasnt been to russia in years? Think shes gonna go undercover into the russian gulag to check whats what? Even if so that would take weeks, months with preparations accounted for. Navalny's lawyer who is factualy in russia has in fact confirmed his death Kasperquickly (talk) 12:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Do you have a source for that? Kurtis ^(talk) 13:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  for what? the fact that she resides in the west? literally open her wikipedia article and scroll to the bottom of her biography section Kasperquickly (talk) 13:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  No, for Navalny's lawyer confirming his death. Which is pretty much what we're all waiting for, actually. She said he was on his way to Kharp an hour ago. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  First of all, its a he, second of all, hes already stated that at the request of his family he's not gonna comment any more on his death Kasperquickly (talk) 13:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  The spokesperson (she) said that the lawyer (he) was on his way to Kharp. Do you have any other source actually saying the lawyer confirmed the death? You say he stated it "at the request of the family", but where did he state that? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  literally just google it before asking here

  https://t.me/novaya_pishet/43722

  Адвокат Алексея Навального Леонид Соловьев — «Новой газете»:

  «По решению семьи Алексея Навального я вообще ничего не комментирую. Сейчас разбираемся. Адвокат у Алексея был в среду. Все тогда было нормально». Kasperquickly (talk) 13:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  There are things that are easy to search and users should be encouraged to check sources themselves. However, this is not one of them - with all search for Navalny's name in Latin script pointing to major news outlets quoting Russian officials - and you would do to provide the source a bit more politely with that in mind. 2A00:23C6:ED9E:D201:D5B8:7566:E08C:C576 (talk) 13:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  It's also worth noting that Yulia Navalnaya, wife of Alexei Navalny, stated that she wants to wait for confirmation. From Meduza: "Мы не можем верить Путину, они всегда лгут." ("We cannot believe Putin, they always lie."(https://meduza.io/live/2024/02/16/umer-navalnyy-onlayn-meduzy) Jaguarnik (talk) 14:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  I checked the website Jaguarnik indicated and did not find that Yulia Navalnaya, stated that she wants to wait for confirmation.

  Yulia Abrosimova spoke in Munich at the KSZE this afternoon in no uncertain terms.https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-68319500 There is no reason to wait to post this news any longer. Wuerzele (talk) 20:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  "We can't really believe Putin and his government," she told the Munich Security Conference in Germany. (from the BBC source you linked) Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  See [4] and search/find for "lawyer" Aaron Liu (talk) 20:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per others. Ecrusized (talk) 12:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support clearly. I think we have the RS we need (NYT, etc. citing Russian authorities). Davey2116 (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support pending confirmation of his death from reputable sources, who have yet to do so as far as I can tell. Kurtis ^(talk) 13:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support for inclusion, reports for his death are the lead stories for pretty much every global news source this morning.PaulRKil (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support, now, no 'pending confirmation' required. ——Serial 13:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There are a few paragraphs that I saw that lack an ending citation (including one with a quote), so while despite being heavily cited, that needs to be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 13:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I tagged CNs on these, a total of 8. I suspect most are refs that already exist in the article and/or nearby but just need a ref reuse to cover the information. --Masem (t) 13:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• I would support blurb on notability, but it may be too soon to say he "dies". If we're to post now, which I think isn't unreasonable, I suggest something to the effect of " is reported dead by Russian authorities". Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed. Most of the news sources ends their report with "authorities say" or "penal service says". So far no independent first-hand reporting from non-government source. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  +1 I agree it's reasonable to post now provided the blurb is clear that this is reported by Russian authorities. Polyamorph (talk) 14:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation from his lawyer, and for the 9 cn's on his article to be fixed. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There's a page about it: Death of Alexei Navalny. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 13:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Separate page, at least at this time, is wholly unnecessary, particularly if it is just going to be reaction kudzu. — Masem (t) 13:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support any blurb as highly notable The sum of all human knowledge (talk) 13:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support blub for political murder of leading dissident in Russia. There are ten {{cn}} tags present. It would be a good idea for the nominators or others to patch up as many of these as they can, either by finding a source, or removing dubious or superfluous statements. I will take a quick look to see what I could fix in my limited time available. Jehochman ^Talk 14:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait With this story, a few cn tags in career prose would not be a major impediment, but as that prose relates to clearly controversial politics and Navalny's arrest, the information should be verifiable before the article is linked on MP. As the article is tagged for presumed dead, I am not sure if it needs a tense update yet or not. Proposed blurbs may need accuracy checks. 2A00:23C6:ED9E:D201:D5B8:7566:E08C:C576 (talk) 14:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Yulia Navalnaya, Alexey Navalny's wife is currently in a live press conference. She appears uncertain about the veracity of state media's claim of Navalny's death. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until other sources close to Navalny confirms his death (pertaining specifically to his wife and his lawyer). This may or may not be another Lil Tay situation, wherein one side said that the person is already dead, but the other side has not yet confirmed it (and eventually debunked the report). Vida0007 (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Of course with Lil Tay it was a publicity stunt by her side. In this case it's his enemies confirming his death. JM (talk) 15:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There are some articles from Russian news about Anatoly Navalny, father of Alexei Navalny, seemingly confirming the death of his son. However, Kira Yarmysh says that these articles are false and none of Navalny's relatives have confirmed his death. (https://twitter.com/Kira_Yarmysh/status/1758500198442230089) Jaguarnik (talk) 14:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Information Alexei's press secretary, Kira Yarmysh: There have been reports that Alexei Navalny’s father confirmed his death. It is not true. Navalny's relatives did not give such comments. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support very significant. I prefer alt blurb 3. Setarip (talk) 14:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for confirmation as above. Then, support ALT2, oppose ALT3 as the separate death article is a needless WP:CFORK which I have AFDed, and so should not be linked, as it provides no additional encyclopedic value. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for confirmation, then support ALT2. Also, I'd recommend linking "penal colony" to the specific place like ALT1 does --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 14:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support most significant Russian opposition leader, the end of a long period of persecution. JM (talk) 15:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support after it's been confirmed. Suonii180 (talk) 15:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support, death of a major political figure Hyder538 (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support, without any question. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready A quick glance turned up at least a half dozen CN tags. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 3 once the article is ready. Moncoposig (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable event, and a death of a popular figure. --cyrfaw (talk) 16:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support Important political figure, but still under development — Preceding unsigned comment added by JayCubby (talk • contribs) 16:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  Support. Some tea with your polonium, Mr Navalny? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

EXTREMLY STRONG SUPPORT, BUT WAIT Putin may be lying about the death of a political rival, so before we add it, we should at least get confirmation from his family. Redacted II (talk) 17:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Support Indisputably notable. KlayCax (talk) 17:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Last I checked, reliable secondary sourcing is a requirement before we post someone's death on the main page. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

And we have that? From Sky, The Guardian, The NYT... Aaron Liu (talk) 18:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The Sky and Guardian sources in the proposal are based entirely on the official Russian claims, which are known for being untrustworthy. That's not independent sourcing Gimmethegepgun (talk) 18:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

All of them are reporting what the Russian authorities say, which automatically makes it a question. We need independent sourcing on the actual claim, not something from Russia's govt — Masem (t) 18:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Support and NOW. Preferably in version IV, until the little doubt there may be as to the veracity of the report has been quelled. But (at least at the moment of writing this) his article reports his death as a fact, so any of the versions are OK.Nø (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

That his article reports the death as fact is a problem with the article, not an argument to propagate the problem here. Sources aren't in agreement yet. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Support for posting, and support for stronger wording such as 'prisoner of conscience', 'political prisoner' or 'Putin's opponent'. Supported by sources such as Amnesty International. Melmann 17:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Amnesty intentional is known here as a biased but factually true source due to being an advocacy group. Stringing together "opposition leader" and "dies in [prison]" is enough IMO. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb IV This is a major event whether or not he's dead. I'm aware consensus is against me so Support III if and when it's confirmed. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 18:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  To clarify, I support posting of IV right now. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 19:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb IV. The news is the announcement. While we should be more careful to say anything too definitive without independent verification for now, it is true that the authorities have reported his death. We can adjust as required later. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Support and NOW as major event.

  Already announced by several medias around the globe, and Biden has talked about it...

  To counter counter-arguments, even in the unlikely case it's not true, it would be an event...

  SOURCES:

  https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/02/16/world/aleksei-navalny

  https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/16/politics/navalny-death-biden-trump-divide/index.html

  https://www.lemonde.fr/disparitions/article/2024/02/16/alexei-navalny-de-l-engagement-au-sacrifice_6216957_3382.html

  https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/02/16/reacties-navalny/

  Etc. 2A02:2788:1028:8D5:611A:E2F:9A40:C357 (talk) 19:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that it is an event isn't in doubt, the question is whether we should affirm the veracity of the claims only based on what the Russian government says (as their claim was the one that was reported throughout media, there hasn't been independent verification yet). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Slightly confused about what exactly confirmation might entail. Is there reason to think it's in the government's interests to lie about this? There are many questions about the circumstances, but we're not reporting the circumstances. Why on earth would Russia say he's dead and keep him alive? 2A01:4B00:E809:A00:A912:5EAC:E686:117C (talk) 19:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  A relatively simple one would go as such: it's an election year, and announcing his death further intimidates the opposition, but later they could announce "yeah actually no he's still alive lol" in response to criticism Gimmethegepgun (talk) 20:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support the mean blurb, it is indeed a remote gulag, not a regular inside-city perison. Also his death rise questions about Russian terror machine so it'snotible enough. 3000MAX (talk) 19:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Also we need to add the point that his death is shady and not a normal natural death. I don't see this fact in any blurb, considering previous assassination attempt of him. 3000MAX (talk) 19:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  It's Russia, we do not need to state the obvious. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Added article2 There's now a Death of Alexei Navalny article which really should be the main target. Added this to the proposed blurbs as well. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support the original blurb. Now! No waiting ! Close discussion.--Wuerzele (talk) 20:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb IV for its detail and per above. His death has been confirmed by U.S. Sec. of State Blinken. Hugely noteworthy. — That Coptic Guy^{ping me!} (talk) (contribs) 20:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Two quick points. The President of the United States and numerous high-ranking persons are explicitly blaming Putin for his death. If there was even a chance that he was still alive they would not be making these kinds of statements. Secondly, this is obviously blurb worthy on its merits. The only issue from my perspective is article quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - updated, referenced. ITN soon. Blurb is a given.BabbaQ (talk) 20:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted as "Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny (pictured) reportedly dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47." I'm using "reportedly" because the article about the death does not describe it as an unqualified fact yet. Sandstein 21:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • There's at least 5 CN tags, as been previously discussed. Needs to be pulled until fixed. --Masem (t) 21:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

    Agreed. Too many CNs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

    We have never required that articles be fully absent of CN tags. Five in an article of this size, and not on any major points, is acceptable. It's down to two CN tags now. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: For the record, I think the use of the word "reportedly" was a smart decision on your part. It emphasizes the lack of credible sources confirming his death, all the while still presenting its announcement and promulgation as a major news event, which it is. Kurtis ^(talk) 01:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed. I was prepping to post it myself and was going to use a qualifier like that to note it is not 100% certain. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Pull There are five cn's, meaning this is not quite ready yet. Article of good quality, as all of the cn's have been fixed. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Adjust the blurb to make the death article the bold link. It's the death which is the event and that article doesn't have any tags. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  The death article is 75% or more of just reactions, which is not a good way to write event articles. Also, 5 cn tags should be easily dealt with. Masem (t) 01:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  I read both articles and the death article seemed more readable and to the point. The full bio is too big at about 350K and so the death is hard to find there. And the reactions are what makes the death significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting support: For an article of this length, 5 cns is alright. It is also pretty easy to add that, especially in this case where they were all removed due to incorrect link rot that was still archived. Now, there's only 1 cn left. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:09, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  I've removed the information connected to the final cn tag, as it basically stated that Navalny lived inside his house while under house arrest. With that, the article is now free of obvious citing issues. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Good job, that's actually pretty funny that someone put a CN tag for Navalny being in his house while under house arrest JM (talk) 02:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Confirmation of Navalny's death from his team: Navalny's spokesperson has confirmed on Twitter that Navalny died yesterday. Giraffer (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  By this we could return using between ALT0, ALT1, ALT2, or ALT3. Suggest ALT2 as it is more clearly worded and linked. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, now that it's confirmed we can label it as confirmed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Note that "reportedly" has been removed since 11:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC) Aaron Liu (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  I know. I was just agreeing with the decision, and pointing out that it was the proper thing to do to wait for confirmation before removing "reportedly". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment How does this "confirmation" change anything? Yesterday, people said the government's announcement wasn't enough to confirm his death, that independent confirmation was needed, and today it's "confirmed" because the government told Navalny's mother? How does this make sense, when in both cases the government is the source? They still haven't seen his body. And for the record, I don't think there was any reason to doubt it when the government announced it yesterday, but this makes no sense. Johndavies837 (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  It's not the government told Navalny's mother (why'd you think that?). It's that the spokeswoman also believes that he's dead. This plus her previous statement that she'll wait for ocnfirmation from a lawyer's visit means confirmation, and we probably don't need any more confirmation for now. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  The BBC says Navalny's mother visited the prison today and the prison service (government) gave her a notice saying he died on Friday. This is the same entity which issued a press release on Friday to announce his death. Navalny's team didn't see his body, they were told it was taken to Salekhard and they won't be able to see him until the post-mortem examination is complete. So yes, Navalny's team is simply relying on the notice from the government-run prison. Exact same source as yesterday. Johndavies837 (talk) 23:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  We did not take Navalny's mother into account.
  Whatever the reason is, Navalny's team now considers Navalny dead while they didn't yesterday. That is the reason and only reason we count it confirmed. There is no way to speculate the cause here. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  In addition to his team, his wife also considers him dead. Wikipedia follows, not leads, so if everyone's reporting him dead, Wikipedia reports him dead. JM (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  I understand, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense. The initial argument was that we needed independent confirmation of his death. His team/family now choosing to believe the government's announcement doesn't change the underlying fact that the Russian government is the source. I'm merely pointing this out because I think the government's announcement on Friday was sufficient confirmation, not because I think he's not dead. Either way, case closed. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that his associates and loved ones believe he is dead is enough reason to not hold off on outright stating it as a confirmed fact any longer. At this point, I think it's fair to say that Alexei Navalny is almost certainly deceased. If it transpires that he is somehow still alive, then we can make the necessary changes at that point in time. Kurtis ^(talk) 22:19, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the "reportedly dies" wikilink should be bolded as it is the main article as well. I mentioned this at WP:ERRORS and of was redirected back here but both articles were in the nomination. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  It was controversial whether it should be included, see above. That article was added to the nomination later. I am also against bolding because... I'm not sure, it'd look weird? Aaron Liu (talk) 16:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  It wasn't controversial at all and the AfD debate gave a very clear consensus. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not talking about whether the article should exist; I'm saying that whether the link should be included was slightly controversial. Masem and Joseph2302 opposed it being linked, and Andrew and the admin who posted supported it. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  The AfD only decided that the article should be kept, not that it should be a bolded link (which is a ITN-specific process). For the record, I also oppose bolding as the two links would be visually indistinguishable (cf. MOS:SEAOFBLUE) Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:26, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Technically, it would be distinguishable as (pictured) interrupts it, but it's still pretty confusing and weird-looking. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, but the (pictured) will likely roll off with the next blurb and then they'll merge. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Right, but the story is that he has died; that IS the main news Abcmaxx (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  That doesn't matter as long as we can't figure out a wording that separates the links and isn't any more awkward. Plus, bolding isn't that needed anyways. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Well User:Andrew Davidson raised this point and the previous objection were on quality that has long been fixed. The word "(pictured)" seperates it Abcmaxx (talk) 20:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  See Chaotic Enby's comment you've replied to. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  This really is a non-issue. Not all blurbs have pictures and there's not much wrong in bolding two words in a row, it isn’t a "sea of blue" at all. Much more important we highlight the article that actually covers the story in question. No-one is really going to think his surname or that the article title was Alexei Navalny dies. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  The issue is not that someone's going to mistake his surname. It's that people could reasonably think that "Alex Navalny dies" as a whole, including the name, links to the article about hsi death, and get surprised after the click that it leads them to the person, especially since links aren't underlined by default. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  My reading of WP:SOB is that two bolded or unbolded links next to each other should be avoided when possible. JM (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  What Aaron said, people might interpret "Alexei Navalny dies" as a single link going to his death and be confused. It doesn't really cost much to avoid it, and rewording the blurb could probably be doable (or even, unbolding Navalny and just bolding the link to the death article). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Neither of those articles nor our blurb seems to even mention a key connection:- Navalny's death was announced on the first day of the Munich Security Conference -- the western world's largest annual defence meeting. This was attended and addressed by his wife, Yulia Navalnaya, and the timing of the death made quite an impact. See:

  1. Yulia Navalnaya takes stage at Munich...
  2. Navalny death rocks Munich Security Conference
  3. Navalny death stuns Munich

  We still have work to do...

  Andrew🐉(talk) 07:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

February 15

Portal:Current events/2024 February 15

February 15, 2024 (2024-02-15) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Siege of Khan Yunis Israeli special forces raid Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis, the largest hospital still functioning in the Gaza Strip. At least one person is killed and eight others are reportedly injured during the raid. (The Guardian) Business and economy 2021–present United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis The United Kingdom enters a technical recession, as a report issued by the Office for National Statistics stated that the economy shrunk in two consecutive quarters amid a slowdown in consumer spending. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents Eleven people are killed and four more injured during a fire at a paint factory in New Delhi, India. (AP) Nine firefighters are injured when a truck fuel tank explodes in the Wilmington neighborhood of Los Angeles, California, United States. (The Guardian) International relations Russia–United States relations, Russia and weapons of mass destruction The Kremlin dismisses a warning by the United States that Russia intends to imminently place nuclear weapons in space as a "malicious fabrication". The claims were widely circulated yesterday by ABC News and the New York Times after U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson warned of a "serious national security threat". (Reuters) (Reuters 2) Reuters reports that it is highly unlikely that Russia intends to put a nuclear warhead in space. The antisatellite weapon is more likely a nuclear-powered space-based device that utilizes electronic warfare to blind, jam or fry the electronics inside targets. (Reuters) Law and crime Same-sex marriage in Greece The Hellenic Parliament votes 176–76 to legalise same-sex marriage and adoption, making it the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 Wellingborough by-election, 2024 Kingswood by-election In the United Kingdom, the Labour Party's Gen Kitchen and Damien Egan respectively flip the seats of Wellingborough and Kingswood from the Conservative Party in two by-elections. (BBC News) Science and technology Odysseus, the first US lunar lander since the unsuccessful Peregrine Mission One, is launched at the Kennedy Space Center Florida, United States. (Space.com) Sports In US women's college basketball, Iowa's Caitlin Clark becomes the career scoring leader in NCAA Division I, surpassing the record previously held by current WNBA and former Washington star Kelsey Plum during Iowa's 106–89 win over Michigan. (AP)

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RD: Fulton Kuykendall

Article: Fulton Kuykendall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/former-falcon-fulton-kuykendall-known-as-kaptain-krazy-dies-at-age-70/ZPGZIWPUCZDKRCP3AOA7L37PNU/
Credits:

• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit) and Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

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65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Roeland Nolte

Article: Roeland Nolte (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.kncv.nl/k/n1110/news/view/209179/878/overlijden-kncv-erelid-roeland-nolte.html
Credits:

• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:00, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Legalisation of same-sex marriage and adoptions in Greece

Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Greece (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Hellenic Parliament of Greece votes to legalize same-sex marriage and adoptions, making Greece the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News CNN Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

This is a historic and significant development for LGBT rights in Greece, especially when they're the first Eastern Orthodox country to legalise same-sex marriage. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - is there any likelihood that this will not become law? I'm not sure whether there's another step after this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  The next step for the bill is to receive assent from the president and for it to be published on the gazette. The bill was proposed by the ND government and was supported by both Syriza and PASOK, the 2 other major parties. I'm not the most familiar with Greek politics but I'd say it's fairly likely it'll become law. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose because while perhaps the first Eastern Orthodox country to legalize this, it is far from the first European country and in fact more catching up to the normal the rest of the world has. --Masem (t) 05:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment Same-sex marriage is recognised in just 37 countries, that is hardly 'catching up to the normal the rest of the world has'.

  Traumnovelle (talk) 09:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Support from a quick overview of the article it seems good enough. I don't think we should oppose a blurb just because it's not the first on the continent. JM (talk) 05:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support per JM. The EO church and its adherents have traditionally broken more socially conservative, and while not quite as much a "woah" moment as it would be if, say, Ukraine or Serbia legalized it, it's still a notable milestone. It's the first nation in the Balkans to have done so as well. The Kip 07:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Slovenia is actually the first Balkan country to legalize same-sex marriage, which they did in 2022. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 19:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Article is impressive and detailed, though it could use a bit more historical context. Level of significance is good. Quick question: does this go in effect immediately? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. While Orthodox, Greece is in the European Union where LGBT agenda is known to be prominent. Likely better fits DYK. Brandmeister^talk 08:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  While the expansion on the article the past week has been significant, it isn't actually anywhere near the DYK line. Or do you think the article should go for GA? It does look pretty good. Wouldn't say that "did you know [country] legalized gay marriage in 2024" is a particularly compelling DYK blurb, though. Any particular reason you think this article would work well on DYK? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Struck that, I'm agnostic about DYK now. Brandmeister^talk 20:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there are >30 countries in the world that have legalized same-sex marriage, so this is not remarkable. You could argue that Greece is the first Eastern Orthodox country to recognize same-sex marriage, but countries are not defined by their religion. Banedon (talk) 08:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose per Banedon. Modest Genius ^talk 11:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support - I don't think opposing this on the grounds of Greece not being the first country, or even the first European country, to legalise same-sex marriage, is the right course of action. This is still a significant development in terms of LGBT rights. And even if being a first in *something* had to be a factor (which i.m.o. it doesn't, but it could of course be argued), being the first Balkan or Eastern Orthodox country to do so should be more than enough to fit the criteria. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • For all 200+ counties, if/when they legalize gay marriage, there is nearly always a way to break down some classification of "being first in X" do to this. — Masem (t) 13:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Slovenia was the first Balkan country to legalise same sex marriage. Abcmaxx (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Both France, Germany, Iceland, the Pitcairn Islands and UK laws didn't make it into ITN and it's rare for a law being passed to make it into ITN, fail to see why same-sex marriage should be any different Traumnovelle (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until it becomes law, then post the legalisation. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose just as we've opposed it for so many other countries that previously legalised same sex marriages. Being an Eastern Orthodox country isn't a sufficient reason for this to be treated differently to previous countries' nominations for the equivalent legislation. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support As per above, there have been numerous countries that have legalized same-sex marriage, and the number is still growing. Decisions like this we have posted, such as in Taiwan, have usually been due to the country being the first to do so in a geographical region. While that doesn't apply here, this is also the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. I believe that, because marriage in the Eastern Orthodox tradition is said to be specifically between a man and a woman, and some Eastern Orthodox leaders explicitly denounce same-sex marriage, this is notable enough for ITN. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per 2G0o2De0l. Milestone legalization. Moncoposig (talk) 16:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per the comments --cyrfaw (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support, a country legalizing same-sex marriage is ITN-worthy in my opinion. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support First Orthodox Christian-majority country to legalize same-sex marriage. KlayCax (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose largely per Masem. Greece is nominally Orthodox with most people self-identifying as such, but regular church attendance is fairly low and according to Pew Research statistics only around half of all Greeks consider religion an important part of their lives. In short, it is starting to look more like Italy, a country that is nominally Catholic but in practice quite secular. And as noted above, Greece is a member of the EU. So this was coming as inevitably as the sun rising in the east. I think the big story here is that Greece is losing its religiosity. Churches are still crowded during Holy Week, but for much of the rest of the year, it's mostly the older generation, and mainly women. For many Greeks church attendance comes down to baptisms, weddings, funerals, Great Friday and Easter (Pascha). Some will add to that Christmas and their name day. While detailed numbers on church attendance are hard to come by, anecdotal evidence suggests that most of those <30 do so only when obliged for social reasons. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose When the ITN brought up the legalization of same-sex marriage in Cuba (which IMO was far more significant as it was the first authoritarian country and Caribbean country do so, and it was paired with more extensive pro-LGBT legislation such as including more rigorous gender rights protections), it was struck down on the grounds that merely being the first in a region wasn't sufficient grounds for same-sex marriage legalization news to be posted, and that only if it was an extraordinary circumstance (like if a super-conservative country like Russia or KSA legalized it) will it be allowed. Also the claim that Greece is the first Balkan country to do so is wrong, as Slovenia has allowed it since 2022. This means that it's only "historic" because it's the first the Eastern Orthodox country to do so, which is an extremely weak justification for posting given that relatively few countries follow it. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 19:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The nomination for Cuba recognizing same-sex marriages was not "struck down". Rather, there were about equal votes on either side, and consensus was not reached in either direction. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 20:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't posted, so I consider it struck down Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 20:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

To be struck down would be a consensus against posting. In that case, there was no consensus and people argued until the news wasn't news anymore. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Greece is hardly the conservative orthodox country it used to be. Not particularly surprising or transformative. Countries like Russia, Iran, etc would be blurbable. Thriley (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose we didn't post for example countries that were the first to abolish capital punishment, or legalise/decriminalise cannabis, so we should be consistent. Abcmaxx (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Actually the legalization of Marijuana in Canada was posted (Personal attack removed) --24.125.98.89 (talk) 03:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  That was 5 years ago though, I nominated several countries abolishing capital punishment and all those got quite unanimously voted against posting. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose "Country changes law", no different from any other everyday legislative change. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support the first ORTHODOX nation to legalize gay marriage? Holy shit, those guys are like REALLY conservative (ISNT RUSSIA ORTHODOX???). A huge win for all the 2SLGBTQI+ people and their allies in this world, and a clear show of disgust towards the russians where they massacre gay people hence my support vote Kasperquickly (talk) 06:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  See above, Greece is pretty secular. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - if Wikipedia does post this then it needs to set some standard as to when such a move gets posted. I also have an issue with the idea that "marriage" related topics get posted because marriage is a cultural concept and not something that's truly a human right. You can have all the rights without even having a marriage in many western countries for example. DragonSign (talk) 09:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - I think that some LGBTQ items should be posted (especially revoking laws that forbid homosexual sex), but gay marriage is just one of numerous gay rights that include things such as gay adoption, and anti-discrimination laws are arguably much more important for example. If Wikipedia were to post all the progresses then I would support, but gay marriage is not globally notable in my opinion.

  Furthermore numerous countries around the world will soon legalise gay marriage or provide something similar, and I doubt that Wikipedia will post all of them, and I doubt that Wikipedia has posted all the gay marriages that have already happened.

  To back up the point I am trying to make, it's not essential for people to get married whether heterosexual or homosexual. It's a cultural issue that can sometimes be indicative of homophobia in a country, but as we have seen with Taiwan, the opposite can also be true. In many cases it's simply indicative of nothing more than political theatre.

  DragonSign (talk) 09:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - It is the first Orthodox Christian country to do so, and is also only one of 37 (out of 197) nations which have done so - less than a fifth of countries have legalised same sex marriage, which is far from a majority and is unfortunately almost half the amount of countries which criminalise same sex activity (65). For both of these reasons I believe this is still significant news and should be included in ITN, especially when we include far less significant events like big sports games. greyzxq ^talk 00:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

February 14

Portal:Current events/2024 February 14

February 14, 2024 (2024-02-14) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict A rocket attack from Lebanon on a military base in Safed, Israel, kills one Israeli soldier and injures several others. In response, Israeli airstrikes in southern Lebanon kill 11 civilians and four Hezbollah militants in Nabatieh and al-Sawana. (The Guardian) Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Ukraine claims to have sunk the Russian ship Tsezar Kunikov off the coast of Katsiveli, Crimea. A video appears to show the vessel being struck with unmanned surface drones. (RFE/RL) Cross-Strait relations Two Chinese fishermen drown and two others are rescued when their boat capsizes near Kinmen, Taiwan, while being pursued by the Taiwan Coast Guard, who allege that the fishermen were trespassing. (AP) Explosions occur along the route of a natural gas pipeline from Chaharmahal and Bakhtiari province, Iran, to the Caspian Sea. The Iranian oil minister blames the incident on "terrorism and sabotage". (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Port Hills fire A state of emergency is declared in Christchurch, New Zealand, as firefighters attempt to control a bushfire in the city's Port Hills region. (Stuff) Fifteen people are killed and eight others are injured when a truck and four microbuses collide in Alexandria, Egypt. (AP) One person is killed and 53 others are injured when a church balcony collapses during an Ash Wednesday Mass in San Jose del Monte, Bulacan, Philippines. (WION) International relations Russia–United States relations, Russia and weapons of mass destruction U.S. officials announce a "serious national security threat" after military intelligence indicates that Russia intends to imminently place nuclear weapons in space. U.S. President Joe Biden has been briefed, according to officials. (The Telegraph) The U.S. holds emergency talks with allies, including Canada and the United Kingdom, on the Russian nuclear threat. (CBC) U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson says that there is no need for public alarm after briefing President Biden on the matter. (The Hill) Foreign relations of Cuba, Foreign relations of South Korea Cuba and South Korea establish diplomatic relations after exchanging letters via their United Nations representatives. (Reuters) Law and crime War crimes in the Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis The Hostages and Missing Families Forum files a complaint of war crimes against the leadership of Hamas at the International Criminal Court. (The Times of Israel) 2024 Kansas City parade shooting One person is killed and 22 others are injured in a mass shooting during the Kansas City Chiefs' Super Bowl LVIII championship parade at Union Station in Kansas City, Missouri, United States. Three armed suspects are arrested at the scene. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2024 Indonesian general election Indonesians elect a president and vice president, members of the People's Consultative Assembly, and local representatives. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology An over 10,000-years-old underwater structure from the Stone Age is discovered in the Bay of Mecklenburg, in the Baltic Sea. The kilometer long stone wall might be the oldest man-made structure on earth. (CNN)

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RD: William Post (inventor)

Article: William Post (inventor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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He is credited with inventing Pop-Tarts. Death announced 14 February. Thriley (talk) 04:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

• @Thriley: The article is a stub, I think you'll need to expand it for it to be passed. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support yes, it's not a long article, but really what else could add to it? It's well sourced and long enough not to be a stub.Abcmaxx (talk) 21:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

actually it says nothing about his invention or how it came about. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Article has now been expanded. Looks ready to post Post. Thriley (talk) 18:09, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Angela Chao

Article: Angela Chao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Death announced 14 February. Thriley (talk) 19:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article consists of 11 sentences and needs work. Moncoposig (talk) 20:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ventura Pérez Mariño

Article: Ventura Pérez Mariño (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Voz de Galicia] (in Spanish)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Spanish judge and politician. Admittedly a lot comes from an obituary, but most of his work was pre-2000 and this isn't a GA or FA nomination. Sources entirely in Spanish due to domestic field of work. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks ready. Moncoposig (talk) 20:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - referenced and looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 20:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Super Bowl parade shooting

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Article: 2024 Kansas City parade shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, twenty-eight people are shot, including 11 children, in a shooting during a Super Bowl parade in Kansas City, Missouri. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by WaltCip (talk · give credit)

Article updated

A truly shocking event, even as far as shootings in the U.S. go, happening during a parade associated with one of the largest nationally-televised sporting events in the country. Unusual in that it involved multiple shooters and children were injured. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support I know the people who still think we have a minimum death threshold will think this doesn't measure up to other shootings, but this being at the Super Bowl victory parade generated a lot more attention (and news coverage) than a typical mass shooting gets. The article quality is good, this is what ITN is for. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is business as usual in the US, not a significant number of caualities, and just because it was tied to an event like a Super Bown victory parade doesn't give it any extra weight. Vague hand waving from leaders on tighter gun control but this certainly isn't going to turn that tide. It's an equivalent argument of why we should be posting any given protest in the world without a clear larger impact. Masem (t) 16:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  The "business as usual" argument would mean we shouldn't have posted the Super Bowl at all since it's "business as usual" that someone won and a new offseason begins. Many of the items ITN posts are "business as usual" in that respect. The weight comes from the news coverage, and the significance of the event is not tied to the gun control legislation that will or will not come from this. We post tons of items without "clear larger impact". Compare and contrast this article with another one-death mass shooting article that is on track to be deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes but recurring items are generally once per year if new less frequent, whereas gun shootings, and other similar mass casualty events, worldwide, are too frequent to post every single one. — Masem (t) 17:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Masem is right. Another day, another shooting in the United States. Sad routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem, and honestly, this is a perfect example of media bias and it's influence on coverage. Where and when the shooting happened does not actually change the reality that this was a small fatality incident. It just makes it a more flashy topic to cover. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Maybe if this had some notable cause I would reconsider, but I don't see much reason to post this when considering that the police say that the shooting had "no nexus to terrorism", and rather started after a dispute among three people. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above. Unfortunately, it is an all too-common event, that just managed to find itself in a vastly more public event. While the article is good, the feasible decision is to leave it at that. Mjeims (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. It's a tragic routine, and this certainly won't spark any change. Moncoposig (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Folake Onayemi

Article: Folake Onayemi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.primestarnews.com/first-female-professor-of-classics-folake-onayemi-dies-at-59/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lajmmoore (talk · give credit)

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Nigerian Professor. Article looks to be almost ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. Moncoposig (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support Thanks for the nomination @Onegreatjoke: I think she is a good RD candidate (in part why I was working on her biography) Lajmmoore (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - The sourcing in the "Selected works" section isn't correspondent to the listed works themselves. That should probably be fixed before posting. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Support - issue was fixed. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 10:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - I've now fixed this issue, all listed selected works are referenced Eritha (talk) 09:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support the article looks ready Srsval (talk) 21:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support article quality is pretty good Setarip (talk) 14:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Don Gullett

Article: Don Gullett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good to go. Moncoposig (talk) 21:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is of sufficiently good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 09:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Prabowo wins the Indonesian presidential election

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Articles: 2024 Indonesian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Prabowo Subianto (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following quick count, Prabowo Subianto is projected to win the 2024 Indonesian presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): Forbes, New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by MarioJump83 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Based on the quick count, Prabowo has near 60% of Indonesians voting for him. I get this is very early, but from the track record and from my experience as an Indonesian myself quick count is generally accurate with margin of error around 5%, and since he has over 50% of votes (especially 55%+), he will win without going to the second round. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Wait just to be safe, which would also give the newer blurbs some airtime. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Even with the accuracy of the quick count, it would be best to wait until he is elected. Moncoposig (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he is elected. Setarip (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose due to a NPOV tag and an unsoured national honours section. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per WP:CRYSTAL, even if the result is very likely, we don't post projections at ITN. Once he mathematically has the majority of the total votes cast, then we can post it (once the tags are fixed of course). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:09, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comments: The Prabowo Subianto wikipage has orange tags that need to be addressed while we wait for official results from voting. --PFHLai (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the nomination has the election article as the nominated one, but the bio article as the bolded one. Which one is actually intended to be featured? JM (talk) 03:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

the 2024 Indonesian presidential election is the one Setarip (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Then that one should be bolded instead of the bio. In any case, @MarioJump83 should answer. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for ducking this question, I meant Prabowo Subianto should be the one that was bolded since I followed the Ilham Aliyev's reelection ITN nomination, but 2024 Indonesian presidential election being bolded, as I realized is more proper. And also, I think this ITN should be withdrawn as we should wait for official results that will be finalized in March 20th after some reconsideration, this nomination is going nowhere anyway. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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February 13

Portal:Current events/2024 February 13

February 13, 2024 (2024-02-13) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis Four Armenian soldiers are killed and many others are injured by Azerbaijani troops near the Armenian village of Nerkin Hand. (Reuters) Myanmar civil war The Arakan Army claims to have sunk three junta ships travelling on the Kaladan River in Rakhine State, Myanmar, resulting in up to 900 deaths. The sinking is one of the largest losses in the navy's history. (Atlas News) (The Star) Disasters and accidents Around ten people are believed to be trapped underground after a landslide near the Çöpler mine in İliç, Turkey. A rescue operation is ongoing. (NOS) Law and crime Five people are killed and four others are critically injured in a drive-by shooting in Toa Baja, Puerto Rico. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2024 New York's 3rd congressional district special election In the U.S., Democrat Tom Suozzi wins the special election in his former seat which was vacated following the expulsion of Republican George Santos. (AP) Estonia–Russia relations Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas is reportedly placed on the Russian Interior Ministry's register of wanted people due to the country's removal of Soviet war memorials, making Kallas the first known government leader to be added to a wanted list by Russian authorities. (The Guardian) Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas The United States House of Representatives votes to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas in a 214–213 vote with three House Republicans voting "no" alongside all House Democrats. (ABC News)

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(Posted) RD: Johanna von Koczian

Article: Johanna von Koczian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Welt
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Multi-talented German actress on stage in plays and musicals, in film, on television, also a popular singer (landed a hit), television presenter, book author ... - article is growing. So far the references were miserable, it's getting better. Check out and improve if you can. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas

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Article: Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States House of Representatives votes to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ United States Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is impeached by the House of Representatives, the first impeachment of a cabinet member since 1876.
News source(s): BBC ABC News AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Tofusaurus (talk) 05:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for multiple reasons. One, actual conviction in the senate is considered impossible with the Democratic majority. Two, this is nowhere close to, say, the outing of McConnell as House Speaker in terms of impact of how the gov't will function. Three, this absolutely is just political theater that we avoid featuring as news items. Just because its the first Cabinet member impeachment in more than a century is not reason for us to post this. --Masem (t) 05:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support we've posted a similarly pointless/inconsequential impeachment of DJT, it'd only be fair if we've posted this as well. Kasperquickly (talk) 07:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

DJT was impeached for actual crimes, where this is just nakedly political. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose impeachment of non world leader are not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose A "minister" gets sacked. That's too run-of-the-mill compared to other countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  Well, not sacked. He's still in the job, it's just that half the legislature is trying to get rid of him. JM (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose An impeachment is a charge, not a conviction. Per WP:PERP, we should stick to the presumption of innocence. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Impeachment of a cabinet member with no foreseeable consequences. Yay, more political theater. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Andrew - no conviction has been made. Moncoposig (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per BLPCRIME. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose No conviction was made. Setarip (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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RD: David Bouley

Article: David Bouley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 01:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as the article has widespread sourcing issues, as well as two orange tags and a maintenance tag. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 01:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose tons of issues Setarip (talk) 15:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

2024 Indian farmers' protest

Article: 2024 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of farmers start a protest in Delhi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of farmers protest in Delhi to guarantee minimum support price for crop produce.
News source(s): Economic Times [6], Associated Press [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Davidindia (talk · give credit)

Davidindia (talk) 12:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose For the moment, they do not seem to have any special significance beyond simple protests. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment if we do run this, can we replace lakh with hundreds of thousands, as most non-Indian readers won't know what a lakh is. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Done. thanks Davidindia (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  I've added an altblurb which also provides some additional context about the protests. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The article is confusing me. For example, after reading it, I don't know if the protests are ongoing, or have ended, as the article uses past tense in multiple places (such as saying the protest "saw hundreds of thousands of farmers make efforts to converge in New Delhi"), but uses present tense in other places (such as saying some farmer organisations "are leading the 'Delhi Chalo' march"). As for notability, the article does not make it clear, what, if any, impacts have come out of the protests. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the review. Will try to clean it up. Davidindia (talk) 13:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  I will note that after reading the updated article, the article seems to contradict itself as to whether the protests are ongoing, or have ended. The lead sentence says the protests are ongoing, but the infobox box says the date was 13 February, not 13 February-present. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  No sources say that it has ended, so it's probably present. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support provided we include the farmers' protests in France and Germany too. There are farmers' protests across the EU but France and Germany have specific articles. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  And in Spain, Portugal, Italy... but they are certainly not as intense and noticeable as they were a week ago. It is no longer the time. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  The EU protests are still in the news. See Farmers’ Revolt Threatens Election Year Upsets Around the World which reports this as a global phenomenon. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  just because it's in the news doesn't mean it's itn-worthy at this point. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  The article for the German protests wouldn't work for ITN right now, as it hasn't been updated since 8 February. The article for the French protests, while being updated daily, does not contain any information about them since 3 February, meaning it would also not be suitable for ITN in its current form. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  We included that last India farmer protest from a few years back, but that was farm more significant in scale. Protests like these are far too common around the globe to post every single one, and we need to use discretion. Masem (t) 21:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as the article is in horrendous shape. Unsure on notability yet. The Kip 19:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose on notability as well; I'm not seeing what makes these protests especially notable, and tens of thousands (or even just thousands, as per the article) seems fairly trivial in a nation of 1.4 billion. The Kip 04:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability, oppose on quality A protest with hundreds of thousands of people is certainly notable. However, the article is currently badly written, and must be improved if we plan on posting it to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

That depends on if we evaluate based on percentage or nominals. India has 1.4+ billion people. Is there precedent on which we should use? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

There is no concept of precedent with ITN. Per WP:ITNSIGNIF:

It is highly subjective whether an event is considered significant enough, and ultimately each event should be discussed on its own merits. The consensus among those discussing the event is all that is necessary to decide if an event is significant enough for posting.

—Bagumba (talk) 06:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Massive protests+ unusual for india — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasperquickly (talk • contribs) 07:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - I tried to polish the article's tone a bit, but some additional sourcing and detailed information may also need to be added before posting. Right now, the article is a bit short. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Unless I'm missing something, the "hundreds of thousands" claim does not appear to be sourced. The BBC and Al Jazeera sources say "thousands", whilst the AP says "tens of thousands". In a country of 1.4bn people, I'm unconvinced that this particular protest is hugely notable at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  It has a source provided in the opening comment, though someone should add that to the article. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  That source is talking about the size of the 2021 protests. It says "The earlier farmer protests saw huge mobilisation of lakhs of farmers ... This time the mobilisation is lower as 25,000 farmers and 5,000 tractors are likely to be part of the march." That's quite a lot, but it's definitely still not "hundreds of thousands". Black Kite (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Suggestion for blurb - please replace 2024 Indian farmers protest with 2024 Indian farmers' protest. Tube·of·Light 09:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

   Done. Black Kite (talk) 15:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose until we can get a more accurate approximation of how many people are involved in the protests, and until the article is improved.

Moncoposig (talk) 17:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Currently lakhs any source for the "hundreds of thousands" claim. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  Ha! 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:57, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Addressed the "citation needed" tags. Capitals00 (talk) 07:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• That source says "hundreds", not "hundreds of thousands". Black Kite (talk) 09:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• No idea how I forgot to reword. Anyway, have used another source this time to state "tens of thousands".[8] Capitals00 (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

• Whoever put the [citation needed] tag in the blurb itself, that is hilarious and I love it. Oppose because the article is too short. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chaudhry Muhammad Adnan

Article: Chaudhry Muhammad Adnan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Saqib (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 06:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Virtually a stub. The Kip 07:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is a stub, it's 6 sentences qw3rty 13:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Still stubby with only 144 words of prose four days after nomination. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election

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Articles: 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Ilham Aliyev (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ilham Aliyev is re-elected as the president of Azerbaijan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ilham Aliyev wins the 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election with 92% of vote
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ilham Aliyev is re-elected for fifth consecutive term following the 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election
Alternative blurb III: ​ The president of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev begins a new term in office.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, France 24, DW
Credits:

• Nominated by ShadZ01 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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--ShadZ01 (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Support? honestly not sure about this one. Article looks good to go, but "dictator wins rigged election" is not exactly a news story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose This is one of the "widely seen by international observers as neither free nor fair" cases, and it's a re-election. I don't think we posted his last re-election, which was of more significance, as terms were just extended from five to seven years by Aliyev himself. Moncoposig (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This election seems to me to be a continuation of the previous terms of Aliyev, and not really producing any notable shifts in policy warranting a blurb. Also, the article has a NPOV tag. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, as it says above, "dictator wins rigged election" is not ITN-level news. JM (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Kiril Simeonovski is this really ITN/R? It's neither a general election nor a change in the administrator of the executive, as far as I can tell. JM (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@JM2023: Basically, it's a re-election of a person who exercises large executive powers (note that Azerbaijan has a semi-presidential system similar to those in Russia, Ukraine, Romania and France).

• Comment This is an ITN/R item and will remain so as long as we don't exclude sham elections, which is very difficult to do given that there are no measurable indicators on the democraticity of an election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  But a re-election isn't a "change in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government". JM (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think this is ITNR. WP:ITNELECTIONS specifically says that the change in a head of state is ITNR, and this is not a change in the head of state, and I don't think this is a general election (that would probably be the parliamentary elections in Azerbijan). 2G0o2De0l (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  This technically qualifies as a general election in the same way it is in the countries in brackets in one of my previous comments. If the prime minister were a more powerful office, he’d probably opted to exercise an authoritarian rule from that one. I see that we’ve posted Putin’s and Macron’s re-elections as ITN/R items, so this is most definitely in the same league.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There is debate about whether this is ITNR. This is not a change in the head of state or government, so it would have to be the result of a general election to qualify. Am I right in saying that the general elections in Azerbijan are the parliamentary elections? If so, we should remove from ITNR. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Tecnically it is also ITNR the results of general elections [...]. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  My reading is that given that Azerbaijan is notionally a semipresidential system both the presidency and parliament would count as "general elections" though I'm not 1000% up to speed on the precedents here This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Wouldn't general elections have to tackle the parliament? This election is only for the presidential spot. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Not necessarily. General election says In most systems, a general election is a regularly scheduled election, typically including members of a legislature, and sometimes other officers such as a directly elected president., which means that a presidential election can sometimes be considered a general election. To sum it up, a general election is a presidential election in a parliamentary system, both a presidential and a parliamentary election in a semi-presidential system, and a parliamentary election in a parliamentary republic.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  That sounds like too much of a stretch, as it would make any presidential election in a semi-presidential country a general election. Everything after your quoted sentence would count as original research. I also don't see where Putin's most recent reelection was posted. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  The quoted sentence, which clearly states that a presidential election can sometimes be a general election, isn’t original research.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  It states that general elections can sometimes include presidential elections. I don't see where it says purely presidential elections can be a general election. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  A presidential election is different from a parliamentary election everywhere, so it’s completely irrelevant if they take place at the same time or not.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Many places have the executive determined by whichever party wins the most seats in the legislature, so no, an executive election is not necessarily different from a parliamentary election.
  Either way, I think we can apply IAR based on the principle of the rule probably being aimed at legislative elections, as 1. that's what most people seem to think of "general elections" 2. we have a separate rule for heads of state for a reason. I see no reason to make a special exception for semi-presidential states.
  If this thing is notable enough (which I doubt), it would not need an ITNR boost to its consensus. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Aaron Liu: What is the general election in Azerbaijan then? If it’s the parliamentary election, why is the prime minister unknown and the president wields ultimate power in the country? Why Macron’s re-election at the 2022 French presidential election was considered an ITN/R item, but this isn’t, when France also has a semi-presidential system?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, it should be the parliamentary. I don't see the relevance of how the prime minister comes to office. Macron also shouldn't have been ITNR. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Added altblurb3 dictator attempts to legitimise continuing to call himself president. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose altblurb3: Don't see how this is an improvement, and this blurb has a consecutive link that looks the same (see MOS:SOB) Aaron Liu (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2 once the two unreferenced paragraphs get citations. Otherwise, the article looks very good for a sham election in a country other than Russia and Iran. I think the second alternative blurb is most precise.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb2 or a variation, seems important to note that it is a re-election rather than a change in government (without the sea of blue in altblurb3). CMD (talk) 20:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
• Stale, the election was on the 7th, which is older than the oldest blurb. Stephen 21:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Well, the results were only announced by secondary sources the second day, but that may still be too close. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:19, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability, regardless of if this is ITNR: Not a change in the head of state and was expected. Even if this is ITNR based on a wording technicality, it should be considered the same as normal presidential elections per my comment above. Note that at least 2 supports and 2Good's strike are based on the prospect of ITNR, which I've now boldly removed from the opening comment. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose scam election. would you have posted Stalin in 1940? Or Hitler? yikes... Kasperquickly (talk) 07:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - Per above. A dictator winning a rigged election and continuing to stay in office isn't newsworthy, and altblurb3 makes the entire debacle sound even less relevant. Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 09:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb 3 if orange-tag is resolved – Two well-detailed articles on a dictator and his election, a government that influences politics and power in the region strongly. A subject many of our readers might be unfamiliar with. I think this is a very appropriate feature for us; a fine reason to show off our writing on this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  What in the world, Aliyev's article isn't updated at all, the election isn't even mentioned in it. It definitely shouldn't be bold-linked if this is featured, and I don't think we should feature the election article at all if the article on the man isn't updated... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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February 12

Portal:Current events/2024 February 12

February 12, 2024 (2024-02-12) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Rafah offensive Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis Israeli special forces conduct a raid on a building in Rafah, rescuing two Israeli-Argentinian hostages. (BBC News) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 67 people are killed during overnight Israeli airstrikes in Rafah. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Netherlands relations A Dutch appeals court orders a suspension of exports of F-35 jet parts to Israel within the next seven days over concerns that the aircraft parts are being used to commit serious violations of international humanitarian law. Prime Minister Mark Rutte says that the government will appeal the suspension. (Reuters) Israel–United Kingdom relations British Foreign Secretary David Cameron announces sanctions against four Israeli settlers for engaging in extremist violence towards Palestinians in the occupied-West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Moro conflict The Armed Forces of the Philippines confirm that the alleged mastermind of the Mindanao State University bombing in Marawi, a commander of Dawlah Islamiyah–Maute Group, was among the nine militants killed in counterterrorist operations in Lanao del Sur in January. (AFP via VOA) (Manila Bulletin) Syrian civil war Islamic State insurgents attack a military barracks near Al-Sukhnah, Syria, killing nine soldiers and seizing multiple weapons and vehicles left behind by fleeing government forces. (AP) Disasters and accidents A major fire breaks out at the Oceana indoor water park at the Liseberg amusement park in Sweden, leaving 12 people injured and evacuating a nearby hotel and office buildings. The water park was under construction at the time of the fire and was expected to open this spring. (AP) Trinidad and Tobago declares a national emergency after a massive oil spill off the coast of Tobago. (CBS News) Two boats collide on the Congo River near Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo; with the death toll remains unclear. (AP) Law and crime A man opens fire at a shipping company in Glyfada, Greece, killing three people, before killing himself. (AP)

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(needs attention) RD: Rudolf Jansen

Article: Rudolf Jansen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://slippedisc.com/2024/02/much-recorded-dutch-pianist-dies-84/ https://www.nporadio4.nl/klassiek/podium/397b117b-6b3b-4cfb-bff0-5e67cfeb21dc/liedbegeleider-rudolf-jansen-84-overleden
Credits:

• Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Dutch pianist. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you for nominating - I was out, and not done with the one below let alone this one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Fine with me now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chuck Mawhinney

Article: Chuck Mawhinney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2024-02-17/chuck-mawhinney-camp-pendleton-marine-who-became-deadliest-sniper-in-the-corps-history-dies-at-75 , https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2024/02/chuck-mawhinney-legendary-vietnam-war-sniper-dies-in-baker-city-at-75.html
Credits:

• Updated by Aboutmovies (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Vietnam War-era US Marine who holds the Corps' record for the most confirmed sniper kills. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• There are currently at least 6 {cn} tags. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now This is almost good enough, but a few more references are needed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 14:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Steve Wright

Article: Steve Wright (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by 193.35.8.195 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jaymailsays (talk · give credit) and Ghmyrtle (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Radio DJ. I'll see if I can get the article up to scratch. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment, please note that the death date was February 12, and per our policy «Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated)» it must be placed there. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  I've moved it to the February 12 section now. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - I nominated this, in the correct place, yesterday. What has happened to it? Mjroots (talk) 06:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Mjroots' nomination was removed as a duplicate. The nomination belongs in the 13th as that's the date that the news broke and we usually go by that rather than the precise date of death. There's often a delay before the family makes a public announcement and this often lacks details. See talk page discussion.

The news was all over the UK broadcast and online media on the 13th and it's on the front pages of the newspapers today, the 14th, as Wright was something of a national treasure.

This made his article the top read on Wikipedia on the 13th. Knowing that there would be a lot of interest, I made sure that we had a good picture in place. I chose one of his prime and cropped it because it's fair use. It's not a common picture so it's interesting that The Times chose to crop the same picture in the same way for their front page – I wonder if they followed my lead or just used the same logic.

As for ITN, RD won't work well because Steve Wright is a common name and so some context is needed as disambiguation. But that's a perennial issue.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Andrew Davidson. Looks like I was beaten to the nom by about 6 minutes. Explanation accepted and understood. Mjroots (talk) 10:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support, full of factoids. Serious nominatin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose A lot of work needed on referencing. I see whole sections such as his resignation from the Breakfast Show that are unsourced. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

  Seems to have been dealt with. If you can see anything else unsourced, perhaps you could add a tag (or find a source, of course)? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  That was one example :) I will add some tags, don't have time to look for sources right now unfortunately. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

  Only three left now. If no sources are forthcoming, unsourced details could be removed or temporarily commented out? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

  No tags remaining. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

  Still no {citation needed} tags remaining. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• @Admins willing to post ITN: Is this good for posting? BangJan1999 13:39, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

  Still no {citation needed} tags remaining. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Article is clearly ready to post to RD. Jusdafax (talk) 19:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bob Edwards

Article: Bob Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Peabody Award-winning radio host of National Public Radio's All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Death announced today. Thriley (talk) 21:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose i mean, who is he?3000MAX (talk) 23:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

  RD !votes should be made on quality considerations, not significance considerations, as significance ("who?") is not a factor in whether or not RDs get posted. Significance !votes are not counted. JM (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

  Significance is never a factor in RD noms. What matters is the article quality. Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 13:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose There are two CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support no more cn tags. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 10:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Referenced and no more concerns.BabbaQ (talk) 19:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
• There are multiple short paragraphs with zero footnotes. Now {cn} tagged. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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