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March 25

March 25, 2024 (2024-03-25) (Monday)

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2024 Senegalese presidential election

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Article: 2024 Senegalese presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bassirou Diomaye Faye is elected as the President of Senegal. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bassirou Diomaye Faye is elected as the President of Senegal, defeating Amadou Ba.
News source(s): AP News
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Rival candidates have conceded defeat meaning Faye has won BastianMAT (talk) 16:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 24

March 24, 2024 (2024-03-24) (Sunday)

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RD: Péter Eötvös

Article: Péter Eötvös (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Magyar Nemzet
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Hungarian composer, conductor and teacher. 240F:7A:6253:1:54D8:C475:B710:FFE (talk) 08:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) McDonald's outlets have been closed down in Sri Lanka due to supply of unhygienic food

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 09:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: McDonald's (talk · history · tag) and Abans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ McDonald's outlets in Sri Lanka have been closed down due to the poor quality supply of food items and unhygienic food items in Sri Lanka and Abans is removed as franchisee of McDonald’s. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
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RD: Amaechi Muonagor

Article: Amaechi Muonagor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC PidginPunchNG
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Heatrave (talk) 22:06, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Brigitte García

Article: Brigitte García (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Microplastic Consumer (talk • contribs) 19:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment is she even notable? This seems like a case of WP:1E to me, as she wasn't notable whilst alive (mayor of a town of 10,000 people doesn't make someone notable), but all the coverage is of her death. Seems like this article should probably be at Killing of Brigitte García as it's focused on the event and not the biography. Either way, most of the biographical details like date of birth are unsourced, and the article is too short to be considered as meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not notable. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Simon Harris (politician) in the 2024 Fine Gael leadership election

WP:NADC. Consensus is to wait till 9 April when formally appointed. Similar to the related nomination. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Fine Gael leadership election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Simon Harris will become Ireland's youngest taoiseach following the resignation of Leo Varadkar after running unopposed in the election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Simon Harris succeeds Leo Varadkar as Ireland's youngest taoiseach after winning in the 2024 Fine Gael election.
News source(s): The Guardian
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Mentioned in the "Fine Gael leadership" section of Simon Harris (politician) as well. There may be a better article more suited for this nomination, and the article likely needs more updates. Staraction (talk | contribs) 13:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support main blurb, altblurb is a bit clumsy. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold until Harris becomes PM This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until he becomes Taoiseach, as per Gödel2200. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. Even though it's likely he will become the Taoiseach, it still has to go to a vote of the Dáil Éireann and then be appointed by the President. Only then should it be ITN Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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March 23

March 23, 2024 (2024-03-23) (Saturday)

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RD: Shahryar Khan

Article: Shahryar Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Diplomat and former chairman of PCB. Ktin (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Maurizio Pollini

Article: Maurizio Pollini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable pianist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Angelos

Article: Peter Angelos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work. Will be worked on. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) Should be fine now? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Laurent de Brunhoff

Article: Laurent de Brunhoff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Author of the Babar the Elephant series since 1941. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 22

March 22, 2024 (2024-03-22) (Friday)

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RD: Partha Sarathi Deb

Article: Partha Sarathi Deb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, NDTV
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Veteran Bengali actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:A148:57EA:9AF:7A84 (talk) 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Catherine Princess of Wales announces cancer diagnosis

Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Catherine, Princess of Wales (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Catherine, Princess of Wales, announces a diagnosis of cancer. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/uk/kate-princess-of-wales-cancer-diagnosis-intl-gbr/index.html
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It isn't often a Princess announces a personal matter like this. Urbanracer34 (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2024 Crocus City Hall attack

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Article: 2024 Crocus City Hall attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass shooting and explosions kill more than 40 people at the Crocus City Hall (pictured in 2013) in Krasnogorsk, Russia. (Post)
News source(s): NBC
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Developing situation - article likely needs more work as events unfold. Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Maybe mention ISIS in the blurb as they have just claimed responsibility Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gödel2200: I've removed your nom, as Staraction was slightly faster in nominating. Natg 19 (talk) 18:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - should blurb reference Krasnogorsk, Moscow Oblast, Moscow, or some combination of the three? Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say something like at the Crocus City Hall in Krasnogorsk, a city outside Moscow or just at the Crocus City Hall near Moscow. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've opted for the latter - thank you !! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Krasnogorsk, Russia. If this happened in the US or UK, we'd say in Gaithersburg, United States or in Watford, United Kingdom, never just "near Washington" or "near London". If someone wants to know where in Russia that is, that's what we have an encyclopedia for. —Cryptic 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
changed as such, thank you! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both Watford and Gaithersburg are administratively separate from those cities (Watford being part of Hertfordshire County, not London region; Gaithersburg in Maryland, not the District of Columbia). In contrast, Krasnogorsk is a part of Moscow Oblast, and as per COMMONNAME an overwhelming amount of sources describe the attack as taking place in Moscow, best to reflect it as such (important to show that this didn't happen in an unremarkable town in the vastness of Russia but right in the heart of the country). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 21

March 21, 2024 (2024-03-21) (Thursday)

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RD: Markus Jooste

Article: Markus Jooste (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2][3]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Looks to be in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Frédéric Mitterrand

Article: Frédéric Mitterrand (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a little bit of work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 20

March 20, 2024 (2024-03-20) (Wednesday)

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(Closed) Vaughan Gething as First Minister of Wales

WP:NAC
Consensus to post unlikely to develop. BangJan1999 15:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Vaughan Gething (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Vaughan Gething (pictured) is officially appointed as First Minister of Wales after winning the 2024 Welsh Labour leadership election, becoming the first Black leader of any European country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Vaughan Gething (pictured) is officially appointed as First Minister of Wales, becoming the first Black leader of any European country.
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
This bit of news seemingly went under the radar, but I think it's still relevant, given that Gething is now the first Black politician to lead the government of a European country (if we count each part of the UK separately). Oltrepier (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this is of international importance, sorry. Wales is not really an independent country in that sense and it's not even made front page news in the UK. Secretlondon (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a sovereign state and race should be irrelevant unless you're a racist. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The UK naming their subdivisions "countries" just makes this misleading. He is not the leader of a sovereign state, so making the comparison by saying "of any European countries" on a technicality doesn't really make sense. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Subdivisions of the UK are countries in their own right, Wales is a country. It's just not fully sovereign nor independent. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Timothy Hayward

Article: Timothy Hayward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VTDigger
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Death reported 20 March. Thriley (talk) 07:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: I would argue that the article isn't "of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page". Most of the article is developed from a single obituary. As the person who expanded the article from the obituary, I couldn't find many other sources, though they may be available through newspaper archives. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for your work. I thought I’d nominate it now and expand it in the next day or so when I have more time. Best, Thriley (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This new wikibio is eligible for RD for a few more days. Lots of time for anyone who saw this nom here to make it "of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page". Happy editing, folks! --PFHLai (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Billy Kellock

Article: Billy Kellock (footballer, born 1954) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Martin Greenfield

Article: Martin Greenfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, WaPo, WSJ, CNN, BBC, JTA
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alfred M. Gray Jr.

Article: Alfred M. Gray Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks well sourced. Aydoh8 (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vernor Vinge

Article: Vernor Vinge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): File 770 Boing Boing Ars Technica
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

3-time Hugo Award winning science fiction author. 2600:1700:38D0:2870:4016:E457:AF41:8BD4 (talk) 13:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support A significant prophet of the singularity. Now that AI LLMs have digested Wikipedia and the rest of the world's corpus, we start to see this taking shape. The article could use more about his academic career but it appears that he was more of a teacher than a researcher and it's not what he was famous for. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As well as being a very misleading characterisation of the field, this is obviously against WP:CRYSTAL from someone who ought to know better. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abel Prize

Article: Michel Talagrand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michel Talagrand is awarded the Abel Prize "for his groundbreaking contributions to probability theory and functional analysis, with outstanding applications in mathematical physics and statistics." (Post)
News source(s): Abel Prize BBC Nature NYT
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The article needs work before its ready. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Would it be better to make Abel Prize the bold link? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITNAWARDS says Unless otherwise noted, the target article is normally the winner of the award. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately the article is nowhere near a postable state. There's only one paragraph of prose, which is unreferenced, plus a quote from his own book. The rest is just lists of awards and (too many) of his own works. Needs major expansion and third-party sourcing. Modest Genius talk
  • Oppose article is too short and reads like a CV. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is practically a résumé. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese president Võ Văn Thưởng resigns

Article: Võ Văn Thưởng (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Vietnamese president Võ Văn Thưởng resigns (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This might be premature since successor is not yet elected. Banedon (talk) 05:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar resigns

Closing as nominator. Consensus is to wait. Another nomination has been made anyway: Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#(Closed) Simon Harris (politician) in the 2024 Fine Gael leadership election. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Leo Varadkar (talk · history · tag) and Taoiseach (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leo Varadkar announces his sudden resignation as Taoiseach of Ireland (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not ITN/R since will stay on until a new Taoiseach is chosen by his party (Fine Gael; also stepping down as party leader), however still one of the most surprising resignations of a well-know leader. Sinn Fein have called for a new election. Varadkar was Ireland's youngest, first gay, and first mixed race leader, who oversaw important social-reform victories; internationally was a supporter of Ukraine, Palestine and a strong opposer of Brexit. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose resignations are not INTR, no matter how much someone with so many “pretty characteristics” resigns, as the nominator explains. Let’s wait for the election of the new Sinn Fein’s leader and, consequently, the next Taoiseach. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the point I was trying to make was that he was well-known internationally and had a big impact domestically; I wasn't commenting on whether it was commendable or not. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like the Vietnamese resignation, this is not ITN/R so this is definitely an oppose for me. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Until Varadkar is finally gone PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now per above, but I’d like to note an apparent consensus here that leadership elections leading to appointment of a new head of government are ITN-worthy. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 10:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Indonesian general election

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Article: 2024 Indonesian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the Indonesian general election, Prabowo Subianto (pictured) is announced as winner of the presidential election, while the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle wins the most votes in the legislative election (Post)
News source(s): Jakarta Post
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Election was 14 February, results was officially announced just now. Caveat is that results are subject to lawsuit, but all votes has been counted. Juxlos (talk) 14:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – This article looks extremely impressive to me, good work! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article is good, quite notable event eventhough most of the local Indonesians have already predicted the results from the quick count weeks ago SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Exceptional article, looks good to go. General election in the world's 4th most populous country should be posted as soon as possible. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article is impressive and has prose updates on the results and reactions. However it has a few quality issues: there are multiple unreferenced paragraphs in the 'electoral system' section, which also refers to the election in future tense; the 'endorsements' section is empty, so should either be expanded or that link integrated into the text; the 'house of representatives' table is incomplete, as is the adjacent figure; so is the 'by province' table. Once those are addressed, I will support posting. Modest Genius talk 17:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added sources where required in the Electoral System section (and fixed tense). Aydoh8 (talk) 00:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's still an empty section, a blank table, and a blank results image. I'm going to comment them out so this can be posted. Modest Genius talk 11:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've made that fix, but there's still no reference for the presidential results table(!) which I think is the last thing holding up posting. Modest Genius talk 13:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait -I know the margin is very wide, but still according to law, the election commission must wait for Constitutional Court decision before determine if Prabowo become President-elect. Tensa Februari (talk) 01:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is like if we waited until the electoral college convened to post the U.S. Presidential Election, as in we're waiting for something that has no chance of actually affecting the outcome. If the Constitutional Court decides to invalidate the election, that is its own news story. Like, if the electors in the Electoral College decided to band together to choose a different candidate than they were pledged to do so, that would be a completely separate and significant event than the actual presidential election itself, since it's never actually happened before and the whole process post voting day is basically just a formality at this point. DNVIC (talk) 03:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Putin was only declared winner officially yesterday, still he has been ruling the front page since days. Why do the rules change so suddenly? 51.154.145.205 (talk) 13:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is of sufficiently good quality to post --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I actually believe we should post these after the exit poll unless there is reasonable grounds that an exit poll will be inaccurate or it is too close to call. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality The tables for the results of the president and the house of representatives are currently unsourced (as well as the presidential results by province). Considering their importance, I think we should source those before posting. There also seems to be an under construction table for the house of representatives results by province. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 19

March 19, 2024 (2024-03-19) (Tuesday)

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RD: Neeli Cherkovski

Article: Neeli Cherkovski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
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American poet. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C18:36A3:290E:56E2 (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: M. Emmet Walsh

Article: M. Emmet Walsh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TheWrap, BBC, Guardian, AP, NY Times, The Hockey News
Credits:

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American actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F (talk) 23:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are several paragraphs uncited. Aydoh8 (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support SUPPORT Clearly notable actor. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, that notability is not a criterion for posting an RD: An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is: 1) Not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion. 2) Updated, including reliably sourced confirmation of their death. 3) Of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page, as determined by a consensus of commenters. We are looking at quality instead of notability. Natg 19 (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is clean fully sourced (30 sources) and ready to go. I made major additions and revisions. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now – several statements in the article's "Career" section and nearly the entire "Filmography" section are unsourced. Once I'm done with fixing referencing issues on another ITN-nominated article, I'll work to resolve the unsourced issues on this article if no one hasn't yet by then. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 17:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are now lots of sources in the article, and they need to be mined to add to the fillmography and any errant sentences that don't have citations. I don't disagree with Natg 19 although in my opinion the WP:ITN process is persistently perverse. When a person has over 250 documented appearances in films demanding a citation for every one is putting a premium on form over substance. But that's the way you want it ... 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The readers had a different take on this. 335,887 pageviews as of 3/25/2024 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Page views have no bearing on whether something is suitable for ITN. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: BrolyLegs

Article: BrolyLegs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twitter announcement, NME
Credits:

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Professional video game player notable for being unable to use his hands. Article needs to be updated. Mlb96 (talk) 00:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until an actual RS confirms his death. For all I know this could be another Lil Tay situation.🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) Support NME has just covered his death, article's sourcing seems fine. Source has been added. @Joseph2302: pinging to change your response. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 18

March 18, 2024 (2024-03-18) (Monday)

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RD: Ron Baynham

Article: Ron Baynham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Luton Town FC
Credits:

Article updated
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English goalkeeper. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Reviewers needed) RD: Pearse McAuley

Article: Pearse McAuley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/garda-killer-pearse-mcauley-found-dead-in-co-tyrone-home/a20108041.html
Credits:

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Provisional IRA member, who escaped from Brixton Prison in 1991. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Simon

Article: Chris Simon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, The Guardian, People, TSN
Credits:

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Canadian former hockey player who won the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in 1996. While The Guardian reported that he died on Tuesday, but TSN and ESPN both say that his death occurred on Monday. There is an orange-tagged section that needs to be addressed but the rest of the article already looks good. Vida0007 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James M. Ward

Article: James M. Ward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Game devoloper
Credits:

Article updated
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Game designer and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Konstantin Koltsov

Article: Konstantin Koltsov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

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A former Belarusian pro ice hockey player. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. An entire section about his playing career is unsourced. So are his career statistics and awards. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rose Dugdale

Article: Rose Dugdale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTE
Credits:

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(Closed) Nandipha Magudumana

WP:SNOW closed. Doesn't meet notability guidelines (the fact that she is a Wits graduate is not notable per se), nor is the investigation, and it appears that the arrest occurred a year ago. Aydoh8 (talk) 00:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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Article: Nandipha Magudumana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Wits University graduate and celebrity doctor, Nandipha Magudumana is imprisoned and investigated for 12 crimes including murder connected to a fugitive's prison escape. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nandipha Magudumana and Thabo Bester plotted to smuggle a body inside Bester's prison cell and set it alight. He faked his death and walked out of the prison disguised in a G4S uniform.
News source(s): [6], [7], [8]
Credits:
dxneo (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 Kolkata building collapse

Consensus to post unlikely to develop. (non-admin closure) Curbon7 (talk) 22:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Kolkata building collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A five storey building in Kolkata, India collapsed, leaving 10 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.news18.com/india/kolkata-building-collapse-unchecked-illegal-construction-to-blame-say-locals-as-death-toll-reaches-7-ground-report-8820070.html
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Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 19:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality for now, undecided on notability at this time. Key figures like the number dead, injured, and arrested still need sourcing. Article is currently a bit stubby but probably could pass as at least start class, though it would benefit from expansion if/when more details are reported.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality. Article needs significant cleanup and more sources. Aydoh8 (talk) 00:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted as RD) Blurb/RD: Thomas P. Stafford

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Article: Thomas P. Stafford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Thomas P. Stafford, who flew on the second crewed mission to the Moon, died on March 18 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thomas P. Stafford, who flew on the second crewed mission to the Moon, dies at the age of 93
Alternative blurb II: ​ Thomas P. Stafford, joint commander of the first crewed international space mission, dies at the age of 93.
News source(s): Collect Space, New York Times
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(blurb worthy), Thomas P. Stafford, who orbited the Moon on Apollo 10 and was the first, along with Gene Cernan, to fly the Apollo Lunar Module in lunar orbit, died today. Now only seven Moon travelers left, each of whom should be blurbed in this section after their deaths as pioneers of exploration and spaceflight. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support RD, oppose blurb Though no blurb has been proposed. The article is long and well sourced. However, it's a perfect case for RD rather than a blurb. He's not "in the news" for his death besides the obituary, and his feat of space flight was over 50 years ago. Blurbs are not for memorialization, but for deaths that themselves cause significant news. Or at least that's what I think they should be. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added a short blurb (could be expanded but this is as concise as possible without mentioning the Apollo-Soyuz mission). Stafford's death will likely have much news coverage. He and the seven remaining Moon travelers should all have blurbs, and all will be well-covered by the media (especially the last to die and Buzz Aldrin, although he may be both!) Randy Kryn (talk) 15:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unlike others here, I do not believe that "transformational in the field" is what makes a blurb candidate, as you can argue that anyone with a wiki article was "transformational" to their field, or else they wouldn't be notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OWERVELMINGLY SUPPORT yes it ought to be there by morning ... Maybe we can also add to the blrb the Apollo Soyuz test project ? I feel that it was also important As he was the commander of it ....
sorry for spelling but I grieve...😭😭😭
Long LIVE Stafford! Ad astra aspera RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb The general benchmark for blurb vs. ticker is that the individual was transformative in their field, regardless of when their achievements were. And in this case, having traveled to the Moon is a very, very substantial & transformative thing on history. As mentioned, the number of living Moon travelers has dwindling as well. Each merits a blurb. Fortunately, the article still seems to be in full GA quality, (I saw zero issues there) so that part's an easy support: nice to see more GAs linked on the front page. Nottheking (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb per Nottheking Abo Yemen✉ 18:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm neutral on the actual nomination, but I really don't think that 'the death itself must be a notable event in its own right' is a viable standard. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't want to start a long drawn out discussion, but just to clarify: I mean notable in the amount of Wikipedia coverage and media coverage, not just the manner of death (though this is not a widely shared opinion). Gödel2200 (talk) 23:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't have a stance one way or another on a blurb on this one, but if it's not too much to ask, I hope we can go one RD-as-a-blurb nomination without derailing it into a bunch of splintering meta-discussions about what we all individually feel should be the criteria. Everyone's perspective is equally valid on this and there is no need for those who feel differently to create reply chains on each other's messages. Whether you're more in the "at the top of one's respective field" camp, or the broader "having made significant transformative contributions to one's respective field" camp, or the narrower "thatcher/mandela standard" camp, or the even narrower "only when the death itself is the story, e.g. an assassination" camp, there is no one universally agreed upon bar for when to post an RD as a blurb, nor does there need to be one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that this disagreement will be settled once and for all in any particular individual blurb nomination, so I want to remind everyone that trying would be disruptive. Thanks.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Death isn't impactful/top-of-the-news/state funeral level, so not worthy of a death blurb. Yeah, that's a bit of a high criterion I use, but I don't believe we should run too many death blurbs given that we already have RD. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old Man Dies No offense, Randy, I know how much space means to you. But if I, a non-fan, can name three bigger names from the moon, that's saying something. If (probably when) Buzz is blurbed, it should mean something, and that certain something becomes unattainable if every old moon man gets the hero's sendoff. Anyway, sorry for your loss. RD soon! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, InedibleHulk, just another old guy riding into the sunset. But before he rode there he and Cernan were the first humans to actually pilot and fly a spaceship around the Moon (or anywhere in deep space): the Apollo Lunar Module is the first actual spaceship. Blurb worthy, nah, something like that happens all the time (or just once, but who's counting). Randy Kryn (talk) 00:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I wasn't alive when the first two humans actually piloted and flew a spaceship around the moon. I never will be, but I'll be damned if I'm misunderstood to suggest it wasn't a very major milestone! I've seen the souvenirs, they're as numerous as they are serious. Various federal agencies won't commemorate this day in nearly the same way, because all that happened is the guy who already changed the game so thusly died, changing nothing further. Gamewise, I mean. His friends, fans and family should certainly feel a void. But the event from fiftyish years ago doesn't actually replay, it's just in our heads (with me, it's dead wrestlers, but I get the feeling). Kudos to you for paying your respects like this. My opposition doesn't erase that! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Seeing how there's a few people on this plant who could say they flew to the moon, I'd support the blurb on significance, however I know Frank Borman's failed blurb nom shows there might not be a chance this will pass besides as an RD. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on current quality issues. oppose blurb as unlike key astronauts like Glenn or Armstrong who went on to have influential careers and lives after their accomplishment, the same can't be said of Stafford here, or at least the articles gives little indication of such influence. Masem (t) 23:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is pretty bad a contrast: Neil Armstrong has been particularly noteworthy for not having an "influential career" post-Apollo, (and instead maintaining largely a low profile) meanwhile Stafford would later command an arguably more significant spaceflight; you were remiss to make any mention of that. And that's before noting his big influence in the development of stealth aircraft in the 70s through 90s. And even then... There's nowhere that specifies that they have to remain fully active up to their death; otherwise folk like Margaret Thatcher (who was largely relegated to just "making appearances" not long after she ceased to be PM) should never have been blurbed... Or, for that matter, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov. Nottheking (talk) 02:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • If there were more significant factors to how Stafford influenced spaceflight or other areas following these missions, its not in the article. I'm looking for content that would fall into an impact or legacy section, which is why Thatcher remains a prime example of the type of people we should blurb on their death (in addition to the fact she got a full on week-long period of mourning recongized by the state). — Masem (t) 03:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb I don’t get why every single person who travelled to the Moon should get a blurb. Despite the fact it sounds spectacular as an achievement, it proved to be a superexpensive project that contributed relatively little to the understanding of complex spaceflight, especially since the last crewed flight to the Moon happened more than fifty years ago. I think Valeri Polyakov’s record for the longest continuous stay in space is of much greater importance with regards to the human presence in space. There are also other notable space record-holders that deserve a blurb more than him.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's a difference between an initial accomplishment & an incremental record-holder. (after all, there's not so much to draw a line of where Polyakov's stay was distinctly unique compared to prior record-holders; you'll need to justify your claim of "much greater importance," especially compared to, say, Skylab) And to outright claim that it contributed little to the understanding of spaceflight? That almost comes off as just a bad-faith claim. You're also ignoring that Stafford was the Commander of Apollo 10, and thus also the first to command a spacecraft away from Earth orbit that they had not launched in... Also that he was the American commander of the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Nottheking (talk) 02:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The last crewed mission to the Moon was in 1972, so it had certainly contributed relatively little to the understanding of spaceflight as the future manned missions focused more on the human stay in space through the space stations. I think it's a fair belief from the 1970s that the landing of people on the Moon would largely shape the future of spaceflight, but it proved to be factually incorrect as the history of spaceflight took a different turn. In my opinion, as of 19 March 2024, we should reserve blurbs only for Valentina Tereshkova (first woman in space), Svetlana Savitskaya (first woman to conduct a spacewalk) and Buzz Aldrin (member of the first crew that landed on the Moon) and close the circle.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kiril. No disrespect to Stafford, but even if the number of people to go to the moon is small, it really is just several of the same accomplishment. Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins were worthy of blurbs for being the first trio to go, they deserved blurbs. Don't need everyone having gone to get one, especially given it's inevitable the number of people going to the moon will increase in the future. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just a reminder, Buzz Aldrin is alive. So currently unworthy and undeserving of a blurb, no matter how big a deal he remains for all the things he did. We don't remember anniversaries here, that's OTD's job. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Michael Collins never landed on the Moon, by the way: the Command Module Pilot remained in orbit during all landings of the Apollo program. Though yes, we did blurb his death. Also to base one's argument on an accomplishment being "inevitable" to be repeated leans into WP:CRYSTAL. Nottheking (talk) 02:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Man, how about that. I had sworn he died a few years ago. My bad there. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD because unsourced passages in article. Oppose blurb on principle. His death isn't a major news story. TarkusABtalk/contrib 00:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD on quality and Oppose Blurb on notability per Masem and Kiril. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Look, this is a message to everyone who opposes the mention. Stafford was Chief of the Astronuat office, moon man, piloted the famous Gemini 6A flight ( first time two spacecraft were close to each other ) and commanded ASTP marked peace in space as now the USSR and USA stopped racing each other to several I did this I did that and marked ☮️ in outer space . Also NO MOON CMP -> NO MOON LANDING AS WITHOUT APOLLO 10 testing everything -> NO APOLLO 11 NO NIEL BUZZ AND COLLINS BECOME A HERO and stuff like that RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 03:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb II. I've seen a lot of the emphasis on all opposition centered around downplaying the significance of Apollo 10 (or even the Apollo program in general) but a lot reflects some ignorance of the man's accomplishments. I've added a blurb that focuses on a separate accomplishment that I feel many might consider even more significant. It's worth noting that we bolded the other commander of that mission when he passed away, too. Nottheking (talk) 04:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not a space person, so I would be against blurbing, but I think alt blurb 2 is less noteworthy or well known than the first two blurbs. Most people know of the Apollo missions to the moon, but I have never heard of the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Natg 19 (talk) 05:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose Blurb since the manner of his death is not notable and he is not an incumbent head of state/government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those is a specific criterion for this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb on notability per Masem. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel like Anders and Lovell will probably be more appropriate blurb targets, as Apollo 8 was the first crewed moonflight (did we miss Borman btw, or did we blurb him?). That being said, at this point, I would be alright with limiting blurbs to the old moonwalkers and perhaps the very final individual to reach the Moon. Either way, I'll probably support any article with three or more sentences added regarding their death, as I sure do love the Apollo program. I'll also note that there's currently an orange-tag. Can go either way. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Borman was a RD, not a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good article notice: The article has a "Good" rating, so concerns mentioned above about the quality of the page should not factor into if Stafford is listed in RD or a blurb. At a minimum he should be in RD with the option of a blurb as this discussion evolves (or ends). Randy Kryn (talk) 09:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Quality issue can rise up after the GA badge is added. When I first looked, there was a cleanup tag on a section, which had to have been added after the GA badge. We look at the present state of the article. — Masem (t) 18:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Stafford led a significant life, not just going to the moon, but also flying Gemini twice and more importantly being commander on the Apollo-Soyuz test project, which was said to mark the true culmination of the space race. Even if his death itself isn't noteworthy, the death of someone noteworthy, who led a noteworthy life, is worthy of mention, particularly when many others who are given recent death mentions lived noteworthy lives with a seemingly inconspicuous death (i.e. died in their sleep). Oppose Blurb as his death isn't a noteworthy event in it's own right. 185.218.220.63 (talk) 10:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to justify his significance for RD. If he's in Wikipedia, and his article is free of significant defects, he should be posted. And I still don't think someone's death has to be noteworthy in its own right for someone to be given a blurb.GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt2 - Nottheking has convinced me - the Apollo/Soyuz mission was a truly remarkable achievement in its own right, and is probably Stafford's single greatest personal accomplishment in a very accomplished career. I tend to moderate caution with death-blurbs, but this one has me persuaded. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I lament that we don't have institutionalized rules on RD Blurbs to restrict them. For me I think the manner of the death itself or its direct impact beyond the person being dead has to be significant (e.g. a serving head of state/government, religious leader, etc.). "Old man dies" is not a news story. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. I don't think Apollo astronauts should automatically get a blurb, and Stafford was frankly one of the least famous of them. When Buzz Aldrin dies he will certainly merit a blurb, but I don't think any of the other survivors were influential enough (maybe Lovell?). There's an orange-tagged section that will need to be addressed before posting in RD. Modest Genius talk 12:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I believe I've fixed the two paragraphs without a source, so the article should be ready for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A comment on sourcing Much of the article is sourced to Stafford's own autobiography [9], which of course means that much of it may be unverifiable. Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would assume a published autobiography through a reputable publisher, in addition to having a co-writer, means that we should assume personal details and aspects he was personally involved with are verified, but things that are given as hersay in his voice which he'd have no privvy to knowing should be used carefully. — Masem (t) 11:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Article seems to be relatively well cited, however Oppose Blurb just because someone went to the moon doesn't automatically guarantee them a blurb, as stated above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment People really know nothing about the Apollo program if they think that Tom Stafford was "less important" to it than Neil Armstrong. I'd urge people to actually read the articles on Wikipedia, if nothing else. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, doesn't seem to be big in international news, support RD, I couldn't see anything obvious that was unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 23:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Blurb and RD - Every Apollo astronaut deserves a blurb, both due to the amount of media coverage, and how significant of an event the Apollo program was. The article is of great quality, and as others have pointed out, even if you set aside the fact that he never landed, Apollo-Soyuz alone makes this worthy enough. He was instrumental to one of the greatest diplomatic feats in modern history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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