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March 14

March 14, 2024 (2024-03-14) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime

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Science and technology

March 13

March 13, 2024 (2024-03-13) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Paul Alexander (polio survivor)

Article: Paul Alexander (polio survivor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Guinness World Record holder for longest time spent inside an iron lung. Died 2 days ago, death announced today I believe. Date of birth is uncited, and there are probably a few more errors that I seriously cba to figure out. qw3rty 10:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment once the citatisn are fixed, id say that this arguably is notable for a blurb. Id rather have it in RD though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukt64 (talk • contribs)
  • Support once citations are fixed for RD Lukt64 (talk) 17:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article is fully cited and appears ready. Flibirigit (talk) 20:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but absolutely oppose blurb since the manner of the death is not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted A remarkable man. Memory eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment—It's not the fact of his death that makes it notable, but what it represents. He was the last person in the world to still be using an iron lung. With his passing, iron lungs will now go the way of lobotomies, trepanning, and bloodletting. I don't know if a support a blurb, but I think it's reasonable to give it consideration. Kurtis (talk) 08:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 12

March 12, 2024 (2024-03-12) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime

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Science and technology

Sports

RD: Kim Rudd

Article: Kim Rudd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): .northumberlandnews.com Quintenews
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Canadian MP.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Mixner

Article: David Mixner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 17:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not ready. Multiple paragraphs without citations, and a wholly inadequate lead section. Flibirigit (talk) 02:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eric Carmen

Article: Eric Carmen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News on MSN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by The Vital One (talk • contribs) 21:43, 2024 March 12 (UTC)

  • Support. He put out big hits on the charts. Sad to hear he is dead. Urbanracer34 (talk) 22:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article looks in good shape with chart stats, copy cited. CoatCheck (talk) 02:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tagged unsourced paragraphs (even before the above "supports").—Bagumba (talk) 08:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support one of the most iconic cartoon antiheroes of the last quarter century *Puts on reading glasses* and Oppose There are wholly unsourced paragraphs. I just fixed a part of the personal life where information about presumably living and presumably private people was "sourced" to a dead tweet that didn't mention them. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Boss

Article: Boss (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BET
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Heatrave (talk) 21:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article is currently disorganised. I think the "Life and Career" section should be split into sections to make it easier to read. Additionally, there is a CN tag. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as above, "Life and career" should be split out to separate career and personal life. Discography is mostly unsourced, and some sources being used there are not permitted as per WP:RSP (including depreciated rateyourmusic and Tunefind which is not a RS). Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portuguese election

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Article: 2024 Portuguese legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a snap election in Portugal, the Democratic Alliance (leader Luís Montenegro pictured) wins a narrow plurality of seats in parliament (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

ITNR election. The article is in good shape, with substantial referenced prose in the 'results' and 'aftermath' sections. The complication is that official results have been announced for 226 of the 230 seats - the four reserved for overseas voters won't be counted until 20 March. Normally that wouldn't matter, but with the AD and PS currently separated by only two seats it could change the winner (though almost certainly won't, given the way those seats are allocated proportionately). I still think it's better to post now than wait more than a week, by which point it will be old news. Reliable sources are reporting the AD as having 'won the election', despite those four outstanding seats. Modest Genius talk 15:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment it is indeed true that the reliable sources have already headlined an AD victory. Additionally, the PS leader has conceded and refers to his party as the new opposition. I agree that despite the mathematical possibility, it would be pedantic if Wikipedia waits longer than the actual candidates to declare a winner. Completely different system I'm aware, but I'm sure Wikipedia doesn't wait for the electoral college to finalise the American election after the losing candidate concedes. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • With all due respect to the RS angle of things, I simply don't think we can say AD won because, well, they haven't yet. I get the desire to get this posted now, but an official announcement of results would generally qualify as the news item still being in the news. If we want to post now, I think we would have to say AD is "expected" or "projected" to win a plurality. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm happy to qualify the blurb with 'expected' or 'projected', given the technical (but again, highly unlikely) possibility that PS won >67% of the overseas vote. Modest Genius talk 11:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work The blurb presents this as a win but the result seems fragmented with little prospect of a majority government and a further election likely next year. So, it's more a case of the previous government losing its majority than someone winning. The big news seems to be that the new Chega party was successful so that there's now a three-way split preventing a majority. The blurb needs work to explain this better. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "A narrow plurality" to me sounds exactly like it is, but if "loses its clear majority" is accurate then that might be a reasonable alternative too. That would give more context on history here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Saying something like 'PS loses its majority, PSD set up a new alliance called AD that is now the largest in parliament, and Chega came third with more seats than expected' would be a very long blurb. Do you have a suggestion of how to describe all those outcomes concisely? Modest Genius talk 11:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 11

March 11, 2024 (2024-03-11) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

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Politics and elections

RD: Charlie Bird

Article: Charlie Bird (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish journalist and news correspondent, Short but sufficient article Josey Wales Parley 14:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Malachy McCourt

Article: Malachy McCourt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 10:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Karl Wallinger

Article: Karl Wallinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stereogum, Billboard, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Leader of the rock band World Party. Article needs some work - It has an orange tag for a lack of sources. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 03:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question If the only free image can't adequately illustrate the subject, can we use a fair-use one instead? Bremps... 07:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have cleaned up all the instances of citation needed as far as I can tell. Would someone be able to take a look at the article and see if they agree, and if so remove the CN template at the top? I think this article is close to being ready to post to RD, and may be ready now. As noted above, having a different image would be nice, but I want to leave that to someone who is more familiar with image issues than I am. THanks to all. KConWiki (talk) 06:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lewis Jones

Article: Lewis Jones (rugby, born 1931) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph, BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Welsh rugby union and rugby league player The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article seems to be of sufficiently good quality and sourcing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ariel Henry resignation

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Article: Ariel Henry (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister and Acting President of Haiti Ariel Henry resigns from office. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry announces his resignation during the gang war.
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated

Folks might want to merge with the gang war blurb. Bremps... 04:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb, article is comprehensive and well-cited (only a small case of overcite in lead to fix), oppose merge as the gang war blurb is about to roll off. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Johndavies Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 06:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose he hasn't actually resigned. Stephen 05:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait He hasn't resigned yet, they said it will take effect when the presidential council consisting of 7 voting members and 2 non-voting members is formed. I watched the press conference and they didn't say how long this process is going to take. Hours, days, weeks? Johndavies837 (talk) 06:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until it actually happens, then support. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I also added an alt blurb that was proposed by Brandmeister on an accidental duplicate nomination of this. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The articles look good quality wise, but the resignation hasn't actually happened yet. I also don't think this is ITNR yet, and will only be if someone replaces Henry (I think it would be ideal to wait for that to happen). Gödel2200 (talk) 13:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - this is just a minor and expected development from what we've already got blurbed. Adjust the blurb by a couple of words if necessary. Nfitz (talk) 00:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The gang war blurb is rolling off, while this is ITN/R, so presumed to be independently important. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not ITNR. I made a mistake when I pasted the template in. Bremps... 04:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not at all a minor development if you consider the broader context of the Haitian crisis since the Moïse assassination. The rise and now fall of Ariel Henry as a self-imposed pseudo-dictator has been a very uncomfortable issue within OAS/Caricom politics (i.e. the debate of whether legitimization of his seizure of power is a stabilizing or destabilizing force, which would affects things like aid shipments and such). Curbon7 (talk) 09:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now The deal seems to be falling apart, according to latest news reports. I suggest closing this nomination until he actually resigns. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Barnett (Boeing employee)

Article: John Barnett (Boeing employee) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Boeing employee, whistleblower. Dead in an alleged suicide on March 9, death announced March 11. DecafPotato (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 10

March 10, 2024 (2024-03-10) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

  • Following a laboratory investigation, eight children and one adult in Zanzibar are found to have died of chelonitoxism after consuming sea turtle meat, a local delicacy. Another 78 people were hospitalized. (NOS)

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Yutaka Yoshie

Article: Yutaka Yoshie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.njpw1972.com/171969 https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1536118/ajpw-veteran-yutaka-yoshie-dies-following-match/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese professional wrestler. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 05:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support article looks to be in good shape, and the death was certainly unexpected and tragic. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted): Oscars

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Articles: 96th Academy Awards (talk · history · tag) and Oppenheimer (film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Academy Awards, Oppenheimer (director Christopher Nolan pictured) wins seven awards, including Best Picture. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Just completed, will have sources in a bit. Article probably also needs ceremony updates. Masem (t) 02:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • To add, the film's article is in good shape to also be featured, but the Oscars one needs to be first and foremost. Also for pictures, that gives us Nolan, Murphy, Downey Jr., and Göransson for possible pictures to be used here (all individual winners). --Masem (t) 02:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question maybe add the Oppenheimer poster as an image for the section? Kasperquickly (talk) 02:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Main page images must be free of copyright issues (eg, not non-free images). Movie poster falls under non-free. Hence why we typically use one of the winners to be featured. ITNR normally includes best film and best director, but since they are the same here, any reasonable image of the film's cast + crew could work Masem (t) 02:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Added altblurb with picture; I support any blurb appearing on the main page though. If somebody else thinks people such as Cillian Murphy ought to be featured in the picture instead, please let me know. — 3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 02:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Noting for the record that my altblurb has replaced Masem's original blurb—you can see his original blurb and my blurb side-by-side here. — 3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 12:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb if ITNR normally includes best film and best director, we should feature the director rather than the actor in the picture. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The original blurb included no image while the altblurb did when I supported, I'm now clarifying my support now that the original blurb has been removed. Both articles are adequately sourced. feminist🩸 (talk) 11:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note We already promoted Oppenheimer and Nolan for some time starting February 19 (Murphy was also likewise considered). That may be a fair reason to IAR on the R bit, if most are so inclined. I'm leaning that way. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't see how posting this again would be promotional tbh. We are simply reflecting how society has decided to recognize films. And Oppenheimer is no longer played in cinemas in most parts of the world, so any promotional effect is limited. feminist🩸 (talk) 11:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We can alternate between Nolan, Murphy, Downey Jr., and Göransson for the picture, per nom. Don't see the need to do anything different that Oppenheimer won both BAFTA and the Oscars. Davey2116 (talk) 03:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't call it a need, more a mere feeling of mild weirdness to highlight the same articles three weeks (or nine days) apart. It's not like they've changed much, besides the bit about the seven Oscars. Of course, there might be something worth learning in the Oscar article about things that aren't Oppenheimer et al, so that's a breath of fresh air. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As per others Centuries123 (talk) 05:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on quality, neutral on Feminist's proposal to IAR and not post. DecafPotato (talk) 07:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You mean InedibleHulk? feminist🩸 (talk) 14:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh sure, when it fails miserably, it's my idea... InedibleHulk (talk) 13:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Whomever replaced the original blurb with the altblurb, please don't do that, particularly after !votes have been made, because you then risk seeing !votes that were made to support a vanished altblurb or the original blurb and not an altblurb. I know my initial blurb didn't include any explicit picture, but that's a small change to the original blurb to include the picture mention. --Masem (t) 12:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The awards article is rather boring but does meet our minimum requirements so is OK to post. Don't bold the link to the the film article - the news is the awards. Modest Genius talk 12:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on quality Both articles seem to be of sufficient quality. I don't really see how this would be WP:NOTPROMOTION. The fact that someone or some movie has won multiple awards in a year that we usually post doesn't seem to be a problem to me. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's ITNR and appears to meet the customary quality standards for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Smurrayinchester 15:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 9

March 9, 2024 (2024-03-09) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

RD: Guy Touvron

Article: Guy Touvron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France Musique
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Legendary trumpet player, known in the world by thousands of concerts and more than 100 recordings, with a sad end to his career. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dave Ritchie (gridiron football)

Article: Dave Ritchie (gridiron football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian Football League Coach of the Year in 2001. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose There's an orange tag and a few sentences are missing citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and added "citation needed" tags. There quite a few but likely only need a one or two sources to full them all. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan New President

Article: Asif Ali Zardari (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Asif Ali Zardari is elected President of Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the general election, Shehbaz Sharif is appointed Prime Minister of Pakistan, while Asif Ali Zardari is elected President of Pakistan in the presidential election.
News source(s): APP, France 24, VOA, DW
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment In anticipation of confused replies, yes, this is different to the general election and prime minister also recently elected. (However, I would not be opposed to combining blurbs.) Kingsif (talk) 13:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Combine blurbs Neat solution that avoids the question of whether it's worth a separate blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The blurb for the new prime minister is stale now, and I don't think this is notable enough on its own. Combine blurbs per above. While I don't think this is notable enough to post on its own, it wouldn't hurt to also mention the presidential election while the blurb for the general election is still up. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Shouldn't it be "becomes"? Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 18:02, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Altblurb added Bremps... 04:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Combine blurbs as per Chaotic Enby and Gödel2200 --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a combined blurb, but strong oppose to any blurb mentioning the verb "to become" in any form because it was an "election" and he was elected through an electoral vote.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The 2024 Pakistani presidential election article needs more references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 13:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Neither 2024 Pakistani general election nor 2024 Pakistani presidential election are suitably referenced to qualify for main page exposure (and the former is already blurbed!). The general election article is the next one to roll off. Hence, combining doesn't seem immediately feasible. More work is needed. Schwede66 20:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, a ceremonial position, does not administer the executive. Stephen 04:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose This, but also everyone knows the election was fake. Would people here post the upcoming election in Russia? Or the North Korean ones? Come on..........Kasperquickly (talk) 05:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment If it's ceremonial then who administers the executive?
    Traumnovelle (talk) 06:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - we already posted the Prime Minister's election, why would we post the President's when he has no actual power? Just let it roll off ITN. --RockstoneSend me a message! 09:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question: shouldn't these both be referred to as re-appointments, since they previously held the positions? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- this has rolled off ITN. It's stale now, so I guess this is moot now. --RockstoneSend me a message! 04:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Close as stale per Rockstone35's rationale. Bremps... 06:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 8

March 8, 2024 (2024-03-08) (Friday)

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: David E. Harris

Article: David E. Harris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: first black American commercial airline pilot Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Guy Boutilier

Article: Guy Boutilier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Regional Municipality of Wood Buffalo
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta from 1997 to 2012. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support A few unsourced statements that could maybe be resolved, but it doesn't seem like enough to uphold posting. Kafoxe (talk) 16:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too much unsourced info, a few paragraphs without sources and some stray sentences too. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramya Wanigasekara

Article: Ramya Wanigasekara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Divaina Ada Derana
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sri Lankan actor, singer, and radio broadcaster. Titanciwikitalk/contrib 21:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jonathan Hunt

Article: Jonathan Hunt (New Zealand politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz Radio NZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
  • Wait A few unsourced bits and maybe some missing information, but almost there. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article seems to be well-sourced now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Procedural support RIP to the Minister of Wine and Cheese This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I've added a ton of references and cut out some material for which I could not find any sources. What's there should now satisfy the requirements. I've added myself to the credits list. Schwede66 22:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 7

March 7, 2024 (2024-03-07) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Biraj Adhikari

Article: Biraj Adhikari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Northeast Live TV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Sikkimese politician. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 05:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose many unsourced statements, probably needs copy editing too as reads poorly. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Françoise Garner

Article: Françoise Garner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diapason
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French soprano who learned belcanto in Rome and brought French elegance to La Scala and the Arena di Verona. Article was there, but sourcing needed expansion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Steve Lawrence

Article: Steve Lawrence (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WaPo, AP
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American singer and actor. gobonobo + c 19:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article already looks good, should be fine to post. PolarManne (talk) 19:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article well-referenced and tag-free. Ready for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 11:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD: Akira Toriyama

Proposed image
Article: Akira Toriyama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Japanese manga artist Akira Toriyama, author of Dragon Ball, dies at the age of 68. (Post)
News source(s): Official X account of Dragon Ball (in Japanese), Oricon (in Japanese) Mainichi Shimbun (in Japanese), The New York Times, BBC, NDTV, The Straits Times
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on March 1, but announced on March 8. --210.165.152.210 (talk) 03:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support once we get additional information. He was the creator of one of the largest intellectual properties ever, after all. Hard to imagine he wasn’t notable enough. RPH (talk) 03:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Arguably the most famous and influential manga author of all time, certainly in the top 3. Article is already in good shape. PolarManne (talk) 03:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - Absolutely legendary creator. GamerPro64 03:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. He created Dragon Ball, he deserves one. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 03:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added Oricon and the Mainichi Shimbun as sources to this nomination. Mlb96 (talk) 03:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Transformative figure in anime, known worldwide. RIP. DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Absolutely one of, if not the, most influential figure in his entire industry. Known worldwide, had multiple projects in production. Easy blurb. Parabolist (talk) 03:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb Easily one of if not the most influential modern manga artists. Rest in peace. Link20XX (talk) 03:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Definitely at the top of his field, his work is known worldwide. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Absolutely transformative figure in Japanese Animation, Toriyama was the giant whose shoulders everyone else stood on Spman (talk) 03:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - Influential in his field and has global recognition. Article is in good shape. SounderBruce 03:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lots of unreferenced material in the Works section, which is probably too detailed anyway. Stephen 04:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - There should be no question here. He is in top of his field and very important in the development of animanga fandom & industry and JRPG genre of games through Dragon Quest in the late 20th century. Until then there should be some fixes on the article, then we're good to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 04:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality no RB or Blurb until the works are properly sourced. --Masem (t) 04:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality the works section is still largely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support He's one of the single most influential persons in regards to anime and manga. ACasualEditor97 (talk) 05:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - Without a doubt one of the most influential people in anime and manga, and arguably, in modern Asian literature. Fulserish (talk) 05:36, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once the sourcing issues are resolved, then strong support blurb per above. ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 05:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb — Influential figure in manga, but the medium is too vast and arguably a fraction of entertainment sales to warrant a blurb from any one figure. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 06:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Animanga is indeed very vast ever since 21st century, but Akira Toriyama has influenced a lot of mangakas and artists (incl. One Piece and Naruto mangaka) on this field of entertainment, not to mention the burgeoning anime fandom in late 1990s and early 2000s following Japanese economic recession in the early 1990s. I can't understate how popular anime is across the world, since their mainstreaming in 2010s alongside K-Pop. MarioJump83 (talk) 06:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fourth best selling manga in history, and Dragon Ball television and film series is massively popular in Latin America, Europe, North America, and elsewhere. It's a widely popular series with huge national appeal and has had a following since the 80's to today. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - although I’m not personally a fan, the man’s impact on anime/manga, now a huge media item, is undeniable. Oppose on quality for now, though - it’s a GA, so mostly good, but there’s some missing citations. The Kip 06:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, but leaning oppose I often find this page to be very informative regarding recent deaths and other news. I mean no disrespect to the late Akira Toriyama, who did much to advance his field and who passed away somewhat prematurely. My condolences to his family, friends and fans. However, the whole anime/manga industry is pretty niche (or maybe I'm just getting old). Although there may be significant overlap between manga fans and Wikipedia editors, the general public doesn't pay much attention to it. Given the high standards which this forum has established for itself for blurb-worthy content, touting Mandela-Thatcher rules and excluding many notable and significant individuals, personally, I find the near universal support for a blurb here for the creator of Dragon Ball to be, well, among the most humorous things I've seen on the internet today.
Please don't take this comment as rude. I appreciate the work that many of you do. Keep up the good work!Ryan Reeder (talk) 07:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Animanga is more closer to a pop cultural juggernaut today than it was in prior decades, though in some parts of the world I could see why it is a niche. MarioJump83 (talk) 07:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No disrespect, but I think it's a somewhat uninformed opinion to suggest that Japanese media is niche. See List of highest-grossing media franchises.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I find it surprising to see that Pokémon has had 1.6 times greater sales than Mickey Mouse and nearly double that of Star Wars. But genuine question--why does Satoshi Tajiri's Wikipedia article only have about 2,000 words, while Walt Disney and George Lucas are around 11,000 and 9,000 words, respectively? I would say that Disney's and Lucas' names are much more widely recognized, at least in the Western, English-speaking world, which is the audience served by this Wikipedia.
Also, Dragon Ball is down around Grand Theft Auto, Angry Birds, Thomas and Friends and Fortnite, and I wouldn't consider their creators' deaths blurb-worthy either, at least not by the Mandela-Thatcher standard. But that ship has sailed. Ryan Reeder (talk) 20:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, it is no surprise that there are far more English-language news articles written about George Lucas and far more English-language sources about the legacy of Walt Disney, but we've long agreed that ITN is not only for English news. One could also argue that the impact of Dragon Ball on manga and anime is far more transformational than the impact Angry Birds had on mobile video games, but that's neither here nor there as the notability question seems more than settled by now.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Well-known artist in multiple countries, both Japan and the entirety of the West. Article looks ready to me, given that there are no citation needed tags remaining. 64.231.206.241 (talk) 08:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm glad to see all the strong support on significance and I fully agree. I will say that the death and legacy sections should be updated further, with more detail. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, second in importance to Osamu Tezuka only probably, and arguably the first to really make manga popular in e.g. Europe. A defining figure. Fram (talk) 09:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - per above. Creator of one of the most popular works of fiction out there, and an inspiration for many artists to follow. Rest in peace. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 09:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Splitting out a problematic and woefully under-sourced section into a completely new woefully under-sourced article to get this posted on ITN is very subpar editing, I think. It's supposed to be a Good Article! Black Kite (talk) 10:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This here. It is 100% inappropriate to sweep the unsourced works section to a separate article. Breaking it out was not required as there was no SIZE issue. That needs to be undone at this point too. Masem (t) 13:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as per Black Kite. Removing a whole unsourced section so the article looks better for ITN [2] seems like a clear attempt by Justanothersgwikieditor to WP:GAME the system, and should not be tolerated. Same as how ITN has been cracking down on people doing these splits for unsourced music/film lists for musicians/actors. The current version has insufficient sourced detail on the works, and therefore doesn't meet ITN quality standards, and this will be the case until the unsourced content is re-added with sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think the extended table/list is required for the article, but I agree that the Works section should be further re-expanded before posting. Rather than WP:GAME, you could see this as akin to WP:TNT, clearing away the uncited mess to be replaced by something better. Of course the problem is still there, however... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not an accurate summary of Wikipedia policy. Poorly sourced material can always be removed. Mlb96 (talk) 12:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Poorly sourced material should be sourced if possible. I'm sure most of the works could be sourced if there were a desire to do so. TNT is for when it isn't salvageable, and lots of that content would be salvageable. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That usually applies to material that is not central or common to the specific topic. A list of works by a highly regarded artist and writer is central to that person and should not be removed because sources were lacking. If it were removing one or two completely obscure works from the list, sure, but not the full list. Masem (t) 14:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's quite a bold, and somewhat "not an AGF" accusation to me. JASWE hasn't even spoken in this page so far. Maybe they just saw that "Oh, seems like this could be split", and WP:BOLDLY did it. We all have differing views after all. How are you so sure that it's an attempt to WP:GAME? S5A-0043Talk 07:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Observation Perhaps just goes to show, more people may have heard of the world's most famous politicians, but cartoon fans actually respect their heroes and buy their work. Anyway, he was 68, which isn't that old. I'm not opposed, just keep it clean. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, once the cn tags on the list are resolved either by removal or sourced. I am of the opinion that not all entries need to be sourced, but at the minimum, follow the guidelines at WP:CSC. – robertsky (talk) 12:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, this definitely has the needed quality as a GA. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Wrote the fourth best-selling manga of all time. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 13:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb definitely notable enough, well-known in multiple countries. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb There is only a three sentence update about his death. While he was very notable during his life, his death itself isn't notable. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    His death got an article on the BBC and CNN within hours of announcement, it was clearly notable. ACasualEditor97 (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is notable in the sense of having gotten news articles written about it very quickly, but that doesn't change the fact that his death does not have significant Wikipedia coverage. Without that significant Wikipedia coverage, I do not think a blurb is warranted. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is zero requirement that the death itself of a notable person be significant to require a blurb. Where the death (and most often the funeral and other memoriable services that follow) are covered in depth by sources, that's a fair reason for a blurb, but by no means the only reason for one. Instead, when the death is from natural causes, we should be looking to the person's relative importance, impact, and legacy on their field to judge if a blurb is appropriate, and there's clear indicators, already present pre-death, why Akira was a key figure in manga and video games. — Masem (t) 15:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"when the death is from natural causes, we should be looking to the person's relative importance, impact, and legacy on their field to judge if a blurb is appropriate." Should we? There may be no requirement that the death itself be notable, but I also don't see any requirement that we must assess the notability a person has to determine if they are blurb worthy. In fact, if we went along this route, I would be inclined to make the argument that the only people who are 'notable' enough to get a blurb are those who have significant Wikipedia coverage on their death. But regardless, as far as I can tell, both of these view points are valid. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is definitely not the case that we only post blurbs when the death itself get significant coverage. As to when we post otherwise is still heavily debated, but aspects of importance and impact are common criteria. But we have never expected the death to be heavily covered for a blurb. Masem (t) 16:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It may be a common practice to assess blurbs of notable deaths based on the notability of the given person, but I don't see how this in any way discredits opposing based upon no significant Wikipedia coverage. I'm not saying that we should never be assessing if a blurb is warranted based on notability, but rather that we should take that into account together with the coverage of the death; assessing the blurb based upon Wikipedia coverage or assessing based upon notability are not mutually exclusive, and my argument is using the former. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have never in the past looked to the amount of coverage of the death by natural causes as a reason to blurb. When the death is unusual, that's a different matter. When the death is by natural causes, significant attention to the death may be a reason to blurb, but never the sole reason to blurb. Masem (t) 16:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the amount of coverage should never be the "sole reason to blurb", but I also think it should go the other way: the notability of a person during their life shouldn't be the sole reason for a blurb; both of these factors should be satisfied. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can certainly talk about the respectives and long-form obits a person gets above and beyond simple obits as a factor, but those also have to be present and documented in the article, if that legacy is not already present. Just that those aren't expected to be documented as part of their death, as you stated in your original post. Masem (t) 16:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I've said before, the fact that it is not "expected" that there is significant Wikipedia coverage of someone's death does not mean this is an invalid reason to oppose. I do not agree with the common practice of posting blurbs solely on notability during life, and I am saying we should take both factors into account. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gödel2200, RDs as blurbs have long been understood to be for people who lived exceptional lives and were at the top of their respective fields. I understand that you feel this should change, and that's okay. Every RD-as-a-blurb nomination will meet some resistance, some more than others. But I think it's best that you accept that you're in the minority on this. You've made your point, and you've generated a very long back-and-forth in the process. If I weren't replying, I would have collapsed it myself to make the wider discussion more readable.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like it's worth pointing out the article for Brian Mulroney, who is currently blurbed, also has three sentences about his death. The manner in which they died doesn't need to be notable, just the impact they've had on society. PolarManne (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not making an argument that the manner of death needs to be notable for a blurb to be posted, in fact, far from it. I consider the amount of Wikipedia coverage of a given person's death to be a significant factor in deciding if they are notable enough for a blurb. I think RD blurbs should only be used in extremely exceptional cases, and the deaths in those cases almost always have a lot of Wikipedia coverage. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Most notable manga/comic artists of all time. Nyescum (talk) 14:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Along with most of the support blurbs, he created Dragon Ball which is one of the most notable media franchises of all time. Sincerely, Icantthinkofanamexd (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb It appears citation concerns were resolved this morning. I agree with many above on his notability and the impact he brought to the manga/comic industry. --Engineerchange (talk) 15:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And to the toy industry. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They were not: ppeople just shuffled the list of works to a separate page to hide the lack of sourcing there. That's got to be sourced before we post, because otherwise that's just sweeping dust under the rug. — Masem (t) 15:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    More like cleaning your room by cramming everything into your closet and hoping the door doesn't spring open from the pressure. Kurtis (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb—Per all above me, an iconic Manga artist who had an indelible impact on popular culture, both in Japan and abroad. This support is, ad always, contingent upon the article being well sourced and of adequate quality. Kurtis (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb DBZ is a very significant, notable manga. Pretty much everyone knows it. I've already seen a lot of people talking about this guy's death. Setarip (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb DBZ is a popular manga, people would want to know this, I think it's notable AndrewGarfieldIsTheBestSpiderMan (talk) 17:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Clearly notable for his work and transformative within the field of Japanese manga and animation.
Noah, AATalk 20:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As RD blurbs appear to be trending from an exceptional to a regular occurrence (this discussion hasn't closed yet, but it seems to be trending towards support for a blurb), perhaps a compromise for certain notable deceased persons is to have their photograph placed as the main image, with "(pictured)" next to their name under the Recent Deaths ticker (see right)? Morgan695 (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And to clarify, I'm not proposing an end to the practice of doing blurbs for recent deaths, just proposing another option for noting deaths without doing a blurb. Also just realizing now that I forgot to italicize "(pictured)" in the mockup I did. Morgan695 (talk) 17:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • We have done this before, and I wouldn't be opposed because I still think we should move away from blurbing RDs. Kingsif (talk) 20:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yup, and this should be reasonable if none of the other blurbs have pictures or the picture has become stale. (I am still brainstorming an idea that would allow automatic picture rotation that could incorporate RDs with free pictures too, but that's not a simple task yet) Masem (t) 20:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also support this idea, and also support moving away from blurbing RDs. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support this idea. RD blurbs can fill ITN blurb space rather quickly, and ITN blurbs should be more focused on the serious events happening around the world. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Not just known for his work on Dragon Ball but also Chronotrigger and blue dragon. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb as he was one of the greatest and most influential manga artists of all time. I’d say that he was in manga what Stan Lee was in comics.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Manga is comics, just in another direction and language. In the whole panel-based story art game, Stan Lee's "vision" was far more influential, spawning a hundred times the characters, 80 billion more dollars and two more decades. It's more reasonable to put Toriyama up there with Hergé and his so-called bandes dessinées, probably. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, here's the nomination for Stan Lee -- a blurb posted in about an hour. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If you are coming to add yet another "Support Blurb" we've clearly passed that line, but this cannot be posted until List of Akira Toriyama's works is properly sourced, and I would recommend fixing that first. --Masem (t) 19:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good luck finding reliable English language sources to cite his authorship of 40 year old Japanese comic books, it’s probably not going to happen. What an absurd demand. Spman (talk) 19:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not ridiculous, required by WP:ITNQUALITY. Or maybe users shouldn't create WP:CFORKs for the sole purpose of trying to get this ITN passed with no effort of improving article sourcing. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It is ridiculous because he’s a Japanese artist who created the bulk of his work in Japan and outside of the main thing he’s noted for, most of that work has zero traction outside of Japan. Expecting English Language editors to find foreign language sources to cite his works that literally no one disputes his authorship of is a ridiculous demand to move forward on this. Spman (talk) 19:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Works that are notable on their own (that is, the blue-linked ones) presumably can go without sources as his authorship should be on the blue-linked page, but those that have been included without links do need sources. And while they may be obscure Japanese works, the fact someone added them to en.wiki means they know they exist. We don't need secondary coverage, but appropriate reliable sources that simply address authorship.
    Also just doing some searching found me this book with the first work on the list sourced. [ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Dragon_Ball_Culture_Volume_1/JYvmBQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Nazo+no+Rein+Jakku%22&pg=PT63&printsec=frontcover] That probably has a lot more that can be used. So no, not impossible at all. — Masem (t) 20:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Despite us being the English Wikipedia, sources do not have to be in English, per WP:NONENG. Curbon7 (talk) 21:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is zero requirement for sources having to be in English. Don't make up rules that don't exist, Spman. Schwede66 22:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, and support moving away from blurbing RDs in general. We don't need a two-tiered system of death honors. Of course, there are cases where the death is its own story that is separately ITN-worthy (like, a non-ceremonial monarch dying and being replaced would still be WP:ITN/R), but it shouldn't just be "important person dies", as important as the person is. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb It's a GA and so its quality is a given. To now require citations for the authorship of his works is absurd because such works are sources and presumably he is credited. And the {{authority control}} is there to provide general backup for this in the world's major libraries. As for his notability, his death was announced in a BBC radio bulletin that I heard while driving today and that's more prominence than the usual RD. And a blurb is needed to explain who the guy was as the name alone is useless. I've heard of DBZ but am not a fan and so his name is not familiar. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • We're discussing the article Akira Toriyama for ITN - so why should the separate article List of works by Akira Toriyama hold back the GA from being posted? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Because the sub-article was spun off yesterday in an attempt to avoid referencing any of his works. Stephen 02:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Stephen: So? And, additionally, almost everything on that list is referenced. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Very notable figure in the anime/manga industry. Centuries123 (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - hard to see how there is anything other than a consensus to blurb this. I guess we're just waiting for an admin to come by to do it. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Dragon Ball's not exactly my taste, but nonetheless I can tell how significant it is to the manga world. S5A-0043Talk 08:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 08:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull image — @Stephen: The blurb image has been discovered to be copyrighted material and should be pulled. See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Akira Toriyama.jpg. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:57, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done, thanks for the heads up. Stephen 22:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sweden's accession to NATO

Proposed image
Article: Sweden–NATO relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sweden joins NATO as its 32nd member. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sweden joins NATO as its 32nd member.
News source(s): US Department of State, Politico, Reuters
Credits:

Sweden is set to join today formally. Was on hold last time, it's about time we nominate this now. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support although blurb can be improved and the article will likely be moved to Sweden in NATO like for Finland in NATO. (edit: I somehow hallucinated that move) Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Could someone maybe insert a fitting image as well? TwistedAxe [contact] 14:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done (blurb and image), although if someone has an image of the accession ceremony it would be even better than the map! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The accession ceremony is set to be held on the 11th of March, although the treaty is set to come into force today. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can go with this image, and maybe update it when the accession ceremony happens if it's still on the main page by then (likely). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment one section is tagged as source less, and I spot a couple CNs floating around. Masem (t) 14:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just wait until it is really, really, really set and fixed. Please! We can't risk anything now. Everyone on Swedish media is going: "For the love of..., don't jinx anything now." Cart (talk) 15:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All 31 member states have deposited their instruments of ratification and the US Department of State have confirmed that the treaty is in force as of today. There are no more "risks" Going to note that the PM has yet to deposit the instrument at 4PM UTC, in less than an hour. Still fitting to post it though considering everything will be done today and formal accession will conclude by the end of the day.TwistedAxe [contact] 15:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you had followed this as closely and for as long as we Swedes have, you wouldn't mind waiting that hour. We have become very jaded with all the things that have popped up along the process. Cart (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have followed this as long as the Swedes have considering I am Swedish ;) TwistedAxe [contact] 15:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, not so used to bumping into fellow Swedes here at ITN. More used to explaining things to Americans. ;-) Cart (talk) 15:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Full membership has been announced, and the article looks good to go. Comment According to the table on the article, full membership hasn't taken effect yet. I would think it would be best to wait until full membership takes effect. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree, we can polish up the article and make everything ready in the meantime. Cart (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support we had brought it up earlier that we would like to nominate it once they had officially joined. It is very notable given the ongoing tensions between russia and nato. Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree however that we should clean up the article a bit if needed. Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait just a liiiiittle bit longer, we're almost at the point of full membership, but it's not yet there. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Done!!!! Go, go, go! Cart (talk) 16:28, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've added 2 additional sources. It's official now. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Lazy jannies ruining another good nom by sleeping all day instead of posting, sad 2600:100F:B1B9:3F82:141C:495C:DB68:F117 (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Let's get this up ASAP Moncoposig (talk) 17:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Either blurb is OK. Nsk92 (talk) 17:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work The lead of the nominated article has not been updated – its most recent date is July 2022. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
this is importent news. i agree. 2600:1700:8090:4440:B4B9:F680:424F:F9 (talk) 17:48, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance, with advice that we move quickly to get this up while it's timely. Sdkb talk 17:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support great news. Article looks good and it’s ready to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Appears uncontroversial. Per MOS, I've spelled out the number, omitted the wikilink to Sweden, and used the term "member state" that seems to be more commonly used by our articles than "member". The map still needs protection on Commons before it can be posted. Sandstein 19:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sandstein, I'm not a fan of the alterations you made to the blurb when you posted. thirty-second member state of NATO linking to Sweden–NATO relations is very much an MOS:EGG. Sdkb talk 06:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not more egg-y than the proposed blurbs, I think. I don't really see a good way to use the article title "Sweden–NATO relations" in the blurb. Sandstein 07:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Woohoo! Do I get an IKEA discount now? --RockstoneSend me a message! 02:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do if we get a Microsoft discount. Cart (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
prime minister ulf kristersson (left) and secretary of state antony blinken at the ceremony
prime minister ulf kristersson (left) and secretary of state antony blinken at the ceremony
  • comment: i thought i might mention that commons has a few photos of the ratification ceremony, including the one at right. dying (talk) 01:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, albeit too late I think. In 2 days, the flag is going to be raised at the NATO HQ in Brussels and we're most likely going to use that image when it happens. If we change it now to the suggested picture and then change it again to the flag being raised at Brussels, I think it would be too many changes being made. Keeping things more consistent by changing the picture fewer times is probably a better idea, unless people are ready to disagree with me. TwistedAxe [contact] 03:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
good point, TwistedAxe. i had made the suggestion anyway because i have a feeling that the toriyama blurb will be posted before monday if the sourcing issue is resolved by then. also, when finland joined nato, i had suggested a number of pictures, including some from the ceremony at nato headquarters. ultimately, one of the other images i had suggested was featured, so even if the nato blurb remains the top blurb at itn on monday, there is no guarantee that any images from that ceremony will be better than the ones we have currently. dying (talk) 04:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Used a tighter crop of this one, as the Toriyama image turned out to be a probably copyvio. Let me know if you have any other suggestions, thanks. Stephen 22:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Kumah

Article: John Kumah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Citinewsroom, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Heatrave (talk) 14:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Article is well-sourced and looks good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moncoposig (talk • contribs) 16:21, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Person is not really a household name, support RD article looks good enough for RD though. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was deputy finance minister and a big face of the ruling party. Heatrave (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD The article is a little sparse in terms of prose, but I think it's of sufficient quality to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality correctly orange tagged. If fixed, RD is fine. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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