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::Thank you very much Jamie for your help and great suggestion. Take care. [[User:Tasoskessaris|Dr.K.]] ([[User talk:Tasoskessaris|talk]]) 23:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you very much Jamie for your help and great suggestion. Take care. [[User:Tasoskessaris|Dr.K.]] ([[User talk:Tasoskessaris|talk]]) 23:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
**Alternate:... that during the [[Siege of Paris]], French [[inventor]] and [[photographer]] '''[[René Dagron]]''', ''(pictured)'' used [[carrier pigeon]]s carrying [[microfilm]]s to send messages beyond German lines? [[User:Tasoskessaris|Dr.K.]] ([[User talk:Tasoskessaris|talk]]) 01:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)



[[Image:Todiramphus pyrrhopygia (female).jpg|100x100px|right]]
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Israel Del Toro
Israel Del Toro

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List new suggestions here, under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. If a suitable image is available, place it immediately before the suggestion. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged.

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  • Proposed articles should:
    • not be marked as stubs;
    • contain more than 1,500 characters (around 1.5 kilobytes) in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables). This is a mandatory minimum; in practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators.
    • cite their sources (these sources should be properly labelled; that is, not under an "External links" header); and
    • be no more than five days old (former redirects, stubs, or other short articles whose main body text has been expanded fivefold or more within the last five days are acceptable).
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Please note that hooks are subject without notice to copyediting as they move to the main page. The nature of the DYK process makes it impractical to consult users over every such edit. In particular, hooks will be shortened if they are deemed too long: the 200-character limit is an outside limit not a recommended length. Also, watch the suggestions page to ensure that no issues have been raised about your hook, because if you do not respond to issues raised your hook may not be featured at all.
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  • For more details see the previously Unwritten Rules.

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on September 29

Articles created/expanded on September 28

IJN Yamakaze
IJN Yamakaze
Alternative:
... that the BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier considerably outperforms its predecessors and foreign APCs of similar class in firepower, mobility and protection? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Chamal Talk ± 10:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 27

Threadfin jack, (Carangoides otrynter)
Threadfin jack, (Carangoides otrynter)
could be shortened to say "... that the 1931 Workers Olympiads held in Vienna and Mürzzuschlag, organized by the Socialist Workers' Sport International, were larger than the 1932 Olympics in number of participants and spectators?" --Soman (talk) 20:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speaker iconI'm Just Wild About Harry

I have a little unusual request for this one, would it be possible for this to be on the mainpage at some point on the anniversary, the 29th? I realise this would be far earlier than usual, but I meant to do this earlier, but was away/then forgot about it, :( . It would be a nice gesture I think, but I really don't want to cause a fuss or tread on any toes, so I'll readily demur, if people are opposed to this. Benea (talk) 00:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All good, if it appears on 29 September. Otherwise a different hook will be needed. Kablammo (talk) 00:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a thought, shouldn't the image be of the subject? There is a free image of Edmund available. I would also support placing this on the page early to meet the dates up nicely. :) Protonk (talk) 00:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- tricky this one - I added a ref but the expansion is a problem. There were c. 2,500 characters before you started and there are now c.13,000 chars so more than a 5x expansion. However the 13,000 includes some meaty sized quotes. You really need to make 12,500 characters plus without the quotes. He is an important character - can we find a few thousand extra? Victuallers (talk) 18:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yingst sprint car
Yingst sprint car
Q: is "as a kid" too informal or vague (even though the cite uses the same words)? Would "while growing up" be better? And should the hook include something like "aerobatic pilot Gene Soucy", or "future aerobatic pilot Gene Soucy", or something similar? Or just leave the hook to draw readers to find out more? ArakunemTalk 15:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All good. Kablammo (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Red Hill Fire Tower
Red Hill Fire Tower

Articles created/expanded on September 26

File:Goodpasture Covered Bridge, 2008.JPG
All good. Kablammo (talk) 12:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
for both. Size and date OK; common print reference accepted on good faith. Kablammo (talk) 13:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speaker iconFrog Legs Rag

By the way, the {{DYK Listen}} template should be fixed now. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
These three facts make the hook too long. Suggestion:
  • ... that the Norwegian river Lysakerelven, an ecosystem of national importance, has walking and cycling trails on both banks from its source to its mouth at the Oslofjord?
Kablammo (talk) 13:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about:
Khachkar - For Children's Sake
Khachkar - For Children's Sake
  • - ref fine, length looks ok, but article reads like a news item - not sure it will make sense when read in 10 years time. Just needs some chronological context (oops sorry about the polysyllable). Victuallers (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added more dates to give some chronological context -- Esemono (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Electrician and Mechanic February 1913
Electrician and Mechanic February 1913
Alt hook ... that in Mexico City's Zócalo (main square), 18,000 Mexicans stripped naked for the artist Spencer Tunick?
OR
OR
  • Might be better to end the hook at insular gigantism.
As nominated the hook is too long. If ended earlier as suggested it is within the acceptable size. Kablammo (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How's that, I chopped it at gigantism? Thank you both for keeping me honest!--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 25

Length, date and reference verified. -- RyRy (talk) 00:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article currently has an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia;Deletion review. Probably should wait until discussion is over before this is approved. -- RyRy (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deletion review discussion is here. Appears procedural only; no one is arguing for deletion. Kablammo (talk) 01:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I closed the AFD and later filed a DRV on my own close. I forgot that I had removed a speedy tag from the article and wanted to head off any future charge of bias. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of gettin' this goin', I closed the DRV as a WP:SNOWball endorse. Cheers. lifebaka++ 18:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Verified. Nice one. :) -- RyRy (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Not verified. 1588 > 5217 characters is only a 3.3x expansion. —97198 (talk) 01:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Date and ref OK; needs 20% expansion. Kablammo (talk) 21:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bigger already... Guy (Help!) 21:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length fine now. Nice hook! Iain99Balderdash and piffle 21:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me too! Put it on the main. Keeper ǀ 76 21:44, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest deleting "serve in"; shorter, and avoids ambiguity. (He was a delegate to HoR; did not serve in it as a representative). Kablammo (talk) 22:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about ...
... that A.U. Fuimaono was the first Delegate from American Samoa to the United States House of Representatives? -- self nom by Scanlan (talk) 00:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, size, ref OK. Kablammo (talk) 01:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: The event is this Saturday, September 27 (it would be nice if it were posted that day). I know the content is a little thin right now, but I asked for some collaberative assistance from Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas. — Eoghanacht talk 15:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date and ref are good; support appearance on Saturday (during Western Hemisphere daylight, if possible) but the article needs to be expanded by almost 700 characters to qualify. Please add more text. Kablammo (talk) 22:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Size and date fine; ref behind subscription accepted on good faith. (Jokes successfully resisted) Kablammo (talk) 15:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, but the article needs to be wikified, it has orphan tag on it, and references like "see article x for references" are not acceptable. Renata (talk) 16:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct as to other refs; the hook ref is however specific. Kablammo (talk) 16:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My impression is that to appear on the main page in DYK section an article should be in generally good condition without major clean up issues. This one is not. Renata (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An orphan tag could probably be hung on a lot of startups. That and the ref issue could easily be rectified; the nominator/author should do that when this nom is revisited. Kablammo (talk) 19:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An orphan tag on an article can surely not be considered a problem with the article itself, but pages that could link to it. Further, none of your criticisms are supported by the consensus-based guidelines listed on this page, as far as I can see. Getting on the DYK page is a great way to draw in editors who may be willing to improve the article, which isn't something I have the time to do. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 00:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Size and date fine; offline ref accepted on good faith. Kablammo (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good article, size and date ok, but source is not clear that multiple examples of his work are owned by Guggenheim. Kablammo (talk) 15:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, reworded: ... that works of Lithuanian painter Kazys Varnelis, owned by museums such as the Guggenheim in New York and Art Institute of Chicago, are said to be a modern interpretation of Lithuanian folk art? 197 characters. Renata (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All good. Kablammo (talk) 16:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC) Interestingly, although the ref supports the tag, a search of the S.R. Guggenheim website and Guggenheim Bilbao shows no results for this artist. Perhaps work were in the museum on loan as part of a show; perhaps there has been a deaccession. Kablammo (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not everything owned is put on display or websites. Usually museums have much larger collections than they are able to display. Everything else is cataloged and goes to storage. Guggenheim NY has very small permanent exposition - most of it is special exhibitions (so that people can comeback and pay exuberant entrance fees all over again). Renata (talk) 22:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
*This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 3478/900=3.9-fold, not fivefold. We compare only the prose portion of the article, before and after. There's still time to expand it. Art LaPella (talk) 01:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Looks like I made a mistake in the fivefold rule. Looks like I need to review it again since I'm a bit confused. Also expanded a bit much too. Ominae (talk) 03:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article is now expanded to 4283 characters for a 4.8-fold expansion, which is close enough to 5 to be within the gray area. More explanation on Ominae's talk page. Art LaPella (talk) 06:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Had expanded a bit. Please check and let me know. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 00:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
4458 characters, 4.95-fold expansion. Art LaPella (talk) 01:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, let me know how it went. Thanks. Ominae (talk) 03:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
4634, long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 03:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Glad to hear it. Ominae (talk) 03:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article too short. Needs ~50% expansion to qualify. Kablammo (talk) 19:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd use the original spelling & link mourning ring, which is what these are. Johnbod (talk) 10:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Ironholds 20:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Incorporate 2d sentence into hook, or (preferably) delete it; it is not needed anyway, and hook is too long. Kablammo (talk) 19:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

or::::::*... that the Battle of Blanco Canyon marked the first time any American had explored that part of the Llano Estacado in Texas? JohninMaryland (talk) 11:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


OR

Articles created/expanded on September 24

Alternate hook:
... that vaporized hydrogen peroxide was used to disinfect buildings contaminated in the 2001 anthrax attacks in the U.S.?
Date and size OK; fair reading of the reference supports hook (says in one place substance was used for anthrax decontamination purposes in those attacks, and in another that an exemption was granted for use in two buildings so contaminated). Kablammo (talk) 02:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great to see another science DYK entry, which we really need for balance and variety. I'd prefer the second hook. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date, ref, size ok. Kablammo (talk) 23:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues I only count 1442 characters, which isn't far short of the required 1500. You have plenty of time to get this up to the required length. Everything else checks out. – Ikara talk → 22:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
David Bowie in 2006
David Bowie in 2006
Date OK, size adequate; no direct support in article for the "only one of a few" statement. Kablammo (talk) 13:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the problem I think. RMHED (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good. I added "both" to hook. Kablammo (talk) 20:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate:
Date and size OK; one source, in Russian, for article.Kablammo (talk) 14:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 23

Jobawi
Jobawi
Verified, but could you cite the first two references with {{citeweb}} templaytes (or something similar)? Thanks, RyRy (talk) 00:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done. In addition, the image is actually pending for confirmation, so if any admin here could access the OTRS system, could he/she check on the it? --Caspian blue (talk) 01:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Midtown Tower
Midtown Tower
I had the inline citation after the next sentence since both of the facts came from the same source... but I changed it so both sentences cite the source now. --TorsodogTalk 05:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Doyle Racing's 1997 Riley & Scott Mk III-Oldsmobile
Doyle Racing's 1997 Riley & Scott Mk III-Oldsmobile
two alternative hooks from extra material I've just added
For clarity, both these alternative hooks can be referenced from The Guardian obituary. David Underdown (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Clifton Hall
Clifton Hall
Execution of Robert Tresilian
Execution of Robert Tresilian
  • Yeah. It's Sołtan, A. (1982). ""Masses of quasars",". Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. 200: 115–122. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help). Maybe you should get some science editors to work here? ScienceApologist (talk) 13:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Svalbard
Svalbard
René Dagron
René Dagron
Thank you very much Jamie for your help and great suggestion. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Length, date and reference verified. -- RyRy (talk) 00:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on September 22

NB to pickers: Nelson 250th anniversary hook for Sept 29th is above at 27/9. I too support this going on the day Johnbod (talk) 03:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also concur. Cunard (talk) 23:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues This hasn't been on ITN yet but is very likely to. If it does, it's ineligible. Daniel Case (talk) 13:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 15:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and history verified; offline ref accepted AGF. Daniel Case (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 14:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Trial on 1990...I presume the subject is still a living person? Just to be sure, would the hook be BLP-passable? - Mailer Diablo 17:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and history verified; offline ref accepted AGF. I really prefer this hook. Daniel Case (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
alt.: ... that the 17th century gardeners of the Izmaylovo Estate managed to grow figs, coconuts and melons but failed to breed silk worms? NVO (talk) 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Length, reference (in French, yes) and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 14:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the reason I hate the reference - because its the only way it works - the directions are clicking on what the ref shows. "Click "HAY-Highways" "Article 12" and hit section 341" - just find Lewis County and you have a reference.Mitch32(UP) 23:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Inadequately expanded (only 3x or so). Daniel Case (talk) 00:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My calculation of expansion was based on an exclusion of a laundry list of Wesley's films and plays from both the before and after. If I am calculating incorrectly, please let me know. Alansohn (talk) 02:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Alansohn. #Instructions says "main body text must be ... expanded fivefold", defined as "main body text (ignoring ... lists ... )". Thus calculated, prosesize.js gives 2986/558=5.35x expansion. Art LaPella (talk) 05:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK then, it's good (everything else checked out). Daniel Case (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mitch, is this really so unusual? That's true of many towns in the eastern regions of New York. Daniel Case (talk) 00:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified for both articles. I'm not sure the image is free, however, so I removed it. Daniel Case (talk) 14:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
alt-hooks (split into two separate hooks):
Ludvig Holberg sculpture
Ludvig Holberg sculpture
OR
How can User: 193.172.170.26 self-nom without the article listed in Special:Contributions/193.172.170.26? --76.64.76.75 (talk) 05:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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