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Dreamtime ... that Dreamtime (pictured) is one of the world's most famous bouldering routes? ... that Jopie and Teun Roosenburg led an art colony at Oost Castle that helped Jewish refugees escape the Nazi-occupied Netherlands to Belgium? ... that Flyover, a 2023 science fiction novel by an American author, portraying a dystopian future where part of the US becomes a theocracy, was published in French but not in English? ... that Anna Russell Cole, a significant benefactor of Vanderbilt University, donated $10,000 in 1926 to endow the office of dean of women? ... that in The Servile State, Hilaire Belloc criticized socialism for being too similar to capitalism? ... that the 2024 Doctor Who episode "Dot and Bubble" was first conceptualized in 2009? ... that rapper Gmac Cash attempted to gift a pair of Cartier glasses to Gretchen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan? ... that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers players wore white uniforms during a snowy NFL game, which made them extremely difficult for their quarterback to see? ... that barbarians would have bought cake, not pie, at Barbara's Rhubarb Bar?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on August 15

• ... that Robert Park acted simultaneously as a professor, a college football coach, and a minister? -- Article created as a stub by User:Paulmcdonald; expanded sixfold and self-nom by Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • See here for the article minus templates, references, and ELs (and minus a slight expansion): it's 2,691 characters, as opposed to the article here before I began working on it: 429 characters. An image is available, but I'm waiting on the MCQ desk to see if it's public domain or if I must upload it under fair use. Nyttend (talk) 20:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Emperor Joseph II Habsburg was allowed to enter the papal conclave, 1769? self-nom CarlosPn (talk) 22:10, 15 August 2008 (CET)

File:S Donald Stookey with CorningWare.jpg

• ... that CorningWare was invented accidently by S. Donald Stookey (pictured) when he overheated a piece of glass? expanded article five fold by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Nice article but hook is slightly misleading. Suggest "...that a labratory accident by S. Donald Stookey (pictured) lead to the invention of CorningWare?" - House of Scandal (talk) 17:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for the much better hook. Yours would be the better hook to use, I agree. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Dave and Kevin Huntley are the only father–son duo to win two NCAA Men's Lacrosse Championships in their respective Division I Lacrosse careers?

• ... (alt) that Dave and Kevin Huntley are only the second father–son duo to score 100 goals in their respective NCAA Division I Lacrosse careers?-- 2 new article self-nom by Mitico (talk) 12:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that E.E. Cummings was inspired to write Santa Claus: A Morality after reuniting with his daughter, Nancy? - created today and self nominated Evaunit♥666♥ 04:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. Nice work! :) -- RyRy (talk) 05:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the election of Pope Urban VI—the last non-cardinal to become pope—by the papal conclave, 1378 precipitated the Western Schism (pictured)? Savidan 03:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length & reference verified. Mitico (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 6th century Mahakuta group of temples in Karnataka state, India, exhibit pan-Indian art forms? (self nom) Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Travel + Leisure named Wasque ("way-squee") on Chappaquiddick the number one beach in New England? - created August 12 and expanded today by House of Scandal (talk) 00:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT...that "Chappaquiddick-by-the-Sea" was a 19th century development plan for Wasque Beach? - House of Scandal (talk) 15:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if this qualifies but the heading says "created/expanded" (which I did) and it's quite an interesting fact even if it's not accepted.
  • ... that golfer Des Smyth's son discovered he had won the National Lottery as he was eating breakfast? Self-nom, --Candlewicke (Talk) 23:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

    DYK rules call for a fivefold expansion of readable text for preexisting articles to qualify. User:Dr pda/prosesize.js shows the article was expanded from 1130 bytes of readable text to 1508 bytes, an expansion of only 33%. --Allen3 ^talk 00:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

    • Seems sort of tangential as well. bibliomaniac15 00:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "Sort of tangential"? How so? Ah well. I left one at the bottom of the 14th too which seems to have gone unnoticed. Was wondering how close the article itself would be to gaining Good Article status as well. But just thought it had an interesting fact... :) --Candlewicke (Talk) 00:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Tory Burch who has dated numerous celebrities and socialites has a mother who dated Steve McQueen and a father who dated Grace Kelly.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the mid Cambrian animal Odontogriphus was only known from one specimen until recently. Then an analysis in 2006 of 189 newly-discovered fossil specimens thrust it into the center of a heated debate about the evolution of molluscs, annelid worms and brachiopods. (Self-nom; expanded almost 4x in last 2 days) -- Philcha (talk) 11:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is too long. I counted 266 characters, should be 200 or less. Article length was 2,696 characters, which by my count you now have 13,610 so you meet the x5 requirement (2,696x5=13,480). Mitico (talk) 16:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Alternative hook: ...that the discovery of 189 fossils of the mid Cambrian animal Odontogriphus thrust it into the centre of a heated debate about the evolution of molluscs, annelid worms and brachiopods? (183 chars) Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 20:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• …that the 1964 film Man in the 5th Dimension was shown in the 70mm Todd-AO widescreen process exclusively at the Billy Graham Pavilion during the 1964 New York World's Fair? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1965 Rankin M. Smith, Sr. paid a then unprecedented 8.5 million dollars for the ownership of the Atlanta Falcons, a team in the NFL. (self-nom, expanded by me) Livitup (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 14

• ...that in 1937, Oscar Garcia Rivera, Sr. became the first Puerto Rican to hold public office in the United States? Tony the Marine (talk) 17:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the roller ship was a steamship, raised above the water like a hydrofoil and moving on several large wheels? (Selfnom, image to right, others in article if desired) Shimgray | talk | 00:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Šalata (self-nom, 5x through 5d, expanding started on August 11, for the hooks and discussion click here) Admiral Norton ^(talk) 23:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that Cayamant, Quebec, used to be named Dorion but was renamed in 1988 to avoid problems created by having the same name as the city of Dorion? -- P199 (talk) 22:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article is 1223 characters. Thingg^⊕⊗ 16:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the potoos of the Neotropics have slits in their eyelids so that they can watch for danger without opening their large conspicuous eyes? self nom of long standing stub created by User:Jimfbleak. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• I like this hook. I didn't know if a potoo was a snake or a monkey or what is was and that made me click. - House of Scandal (talk) 22:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ratsimilaho established the Betsimisaraka who make up 15% of Madagascar's population? self nom Victuallers (talk) 20:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Pierre Trudeau was known to paddle the Kazabazua River in Quebec? - using some material from User:P199 (please co-credit) was created by - House of Scandal (talk) 17:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Double Mountain in Stonewall County, Texas, though it rises only 600 feet above the surrounding plains, is nonetheless the most topographically prominent point for almost 160 miles? (new article, selfnom) --NetherlandishYankee (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Shorter ALT:... at 600 feet taller than the surrounding plains, Double Mountain in Stonewall County, Texas is the most topographically prominent point for almost 160 miles?" I think "nonetheless" and "despite" and "regardless" are some words of which we should beware. - House of Scandal (talk) 20:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC) ... and do mountains do any different types of prominence besides the topographic type? I think prominent is enough. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Agreed. Revise nomination to "... that Double Mountain in Stonewall County, Texas, which rises 600 feet above the surrounding plains, is the most prominent point for almost 160 miles?" --NetherlandishYankee (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Same thing, less words:..."... rising 600 feet above the surrounding plains, Double Mountain in Stonewall County, Texas is the most prominent point for almost 160 miles?" - House of Scandal (talk) 22:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• I like it. Agreed; change nom to that wording. --NetherlandishYankee (talk) 23:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 15:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when Andy Stern challenged Richard Cordtz for the presidency of the Service Employees International Union, Cordtz fired him for insubordination? - new article (selfnom) Tim1965 (talk) 16:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date OK. Assuming good faith for off-line reference, verified that cited NY Times article title was published on that date, only abstract available. --Captain-tucker (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

File:Tipwindmill.jpg

• ... that Tiptree Windmill (pictured) isn't in Tiptree? New article created and self-nom by Mjroots (talk) 11:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• I applaud brevity of this hook! Can you cite the statement "The mill is commonly said to be in Tiptree" appearing in the intro? - House of Scandal (talk) 20:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• A bit difficult that, if you look on the map it is in Tiptree. The mill is commonly known as Tiptree Windmill and no doubt if you ask the residents of Tiptree they will say it is "their" mill. It actually stands in the parish of Tolleshunt Knights, hence the title of the article. Mjroots (talk) 07:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• I do believe you but this sounds like original research and a hook that can't be cited in a very concrete way can't go to the main page. Try to suggest another. - House of Scandal (talk) 17:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Link added to my reply showing that mill is commonly known as Tiptree windmill. Mjroots (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook ... that Tiptree Windmill (pictured) has walls that are 4 feet (1.22 m) thick? Mjroots (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that screenwriter Jimmy Jack once left Sydney, New South Wales and returned to his hometown of Perth, Western Australia after an argument with The Black Balloon co-writer Elissa Down? (self-nom) —97198 talk 10:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that Australian screenwriter Jimmy Jack is also known as "Jimmy the Exploder"? I prefer the first, but here's another. —97198 talk 10:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

ALT2: *... that Jimmy Jack returned to his hometown of Perth after an argument with his The Black Balloon co-writer? less words?? Victuallers (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the book Passionate Minds by author David Bodanis deals with the life of acclaimed philosopher and writer Voltaire and his mistress Émilie du Châtelet? J.T Pearson (talk) 10:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Mount Etna

• ... that when classical scholar Spencer Barrett's tax return was challenged, he showed that to understand a text of Pindar he had to know how Mount Etna (pictured) had appeared to a passing sailor? Xn4 (talk) 07:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Horatio Nelson's first command in the Royal Navy was the brig HMS Badger? - self nom, new article, Benea (talk) 04:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date OK. Verified off line citation here. --Captain-tucker (talk) 00:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the smallest natural area in Pennsylvania protects a stand of box huckleberry (pictured), but another stand nearby is the oldest plant in the United States? (self-nom) Choess (talk) 03:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• I added "stand" after "another", because I wondered how another natural area or another huckleberry (which I falsely associated with our local red huckleberries) could be the oldest plant. Art LaPella (talk) 03:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

A bureaucratic pseudofact like smallest natural area in Pennsylvania seems easily avoidable.--Wetman (talk) 14:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

ALT:"... Hoverter and Sholl Box Huckleberry Natural Area protects a specimen of box huckleberry over 1,000 years old?" - House of Scandal (talk) 17:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It is a double DYK, both the Natural Area and the Box Huckleberry articles are new. I prefer the original hook. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

How about ... that the smallest Natural Area in Pennsylvania protects a stand of box huckleberry (pictured), but another stand nearby is the oldest plant in the United States? I've just made the corresponding change to the article, to reflect what I understand to be the crux of Wetman's objection. (That is, the distinction between "natural areas" in general, and tracts of land designated as "Natural Areas" and protected by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.) Choess (talk) 19:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... a Western Hartebeest can run at speeds of up to 80 kilometres per hour (50 mph), making it one of the fastest antelopes? (expanded 5+ fold by myself) Livitup (talk) 14:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that the Creation Evidence Museum sponsors hunts for living pterodactyls in Papua New Guinea?

  or, the more general, but less fun: ... that the Creation Evidence Museum displays alleged evidence for humans coexisting with dinosaurs? Self-nom. --GRuban (talk) 21:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 13

• ... that SS Dakotan, a 1910 American cargo ship, was transferred to the Soviet Union under Lend-Lease during World War II and continued sailing into the 1960s? -- Article expanded fivefold by User; Nom by Bellhalla (talk) 05:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• You need a citation immediately after the hook sentence, so if either move or add reference 39 to the end of In December 1942, Dakotan was transferred to the Soviet Union under Lend-Lease, and renamed Zyrianin ( or Зырианин). you should be all set. Size and date OK --Captain-tucker (talk) 11:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Added. Just out of curiosity (since it shouldn't affect eligibility, etc.), why was this moved under 15 August? — Bellhalla (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You are correct, I moved this to August 13. --Captain-tucker (talk) 11:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• • (ALT)... that the life of the quartermaster of cargo ship SS Dakotan was saved by a U.S. Navy doctor who boarded the ship and performed an emergency appendectomy? -- Article expanded fivefold by User; Nom by Bellhalla (talk) 05:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Elizabeth Howe was one of nineteen people found guilty of practicing witchcraft and executed in the Salem witch trials? -- new article by Aw497 (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 03:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that John Webb's Mill, Thaxted (pictured) has walls 4 feet (1.22 m) thick at the base, and that it was used for a time as a Scout hut? Article expanded on August 13 and self-nom by Mjroots (talk) 11:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Note, not quite a 5x expansion, but was an unnoticed copyvio. See Art LaPella's talk page.

• ... that American physician John Ziegler discovered anabolic steroids and pioneered their use with U.S. weightlifting champion Bill March of the York Barbell club in 1959. Autodidactyl (talk) 09:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

or ... that American physician John Ziegler pioneered anabolic steroids but later said "... healthy athletes are putting themselves in the same category as drug addicts. It's a disgrace. Who plays sports for fun anymore?" Autodidactyl (talk) 12:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The portion of the first hook that says "pioneered their use with U.S. weightlifting champion Bill March of the York Barbell club in 1959" is cited to a geocities website, which is not a reliable source. Thingg^⊕⊗ 15:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Paul MacCready-designed Solar Challenger (pictured) was the first solar-powered aircraft capable of sustained, high-altitude flight? (self-nom, former redirect) Mycroft7 (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length (5x new text from Gossamer Albatross redirect) & reference verified. Image public domain okay. Mitico (talk) 13:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that James Russell Lowell's satirical poem A Fable for Critics made fun of many poets of the day, including himself? (Self-nom) --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Dengeki Gakuen RPG: Cross of Venus is being released for the 15th anniversary of the original manga, Dengeki Bunko? (created by Juhachi (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that seal is the most important part of the Inuit diet? (pictured) (created by Emptyenvelope (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that one member of the Dughlats, Mirza Abu Bakr Dughlat, conquered lands belonging to other members of the Dughlat clan? (created by Ro4444 (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, on the day he broke Mark Spitz' 10-year world record in the 100 meters butterfly, Joe Bottom overslept and missed his pre-race warmup swim? -- new article self-nom by Bobak (talk) 22:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length & reference verified. Mitico (talk) 13:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that with the Biblical archaeology school, a consensus was formed that biblical archaeology had provided physical evidence for the originating historical events behind the Old Testament narratives? (created by PiCo (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that pomologist Ulysses Prentiss Hedrick devoted separate monographs to cherries, grapes, peaches, pears, and plums? - expanded to DYK length by Black Falcon, created and nominated by House of Scandal (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that China at the 1952 Summer Olympics represented the Olympic Games debut of the People's Republic of China, but the team arrived too late to compete except for one race by a single swimmer? -- New article by User:Galaxyharrylion; Expanded and nominated by — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 20:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length & reference verified. Mitico (talk) 13:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during his days as a community organizer in Chicago, Barack Obama worked as a consultant and trainer for the Gamaliel Foundation? self-nom by Dwalls (talk) 16:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Reference, length, and date verified. Jamie^☆S93 19:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the sawmill in Aumond, Quebec, built in 1862, also provided electricity to the village and remained in operation until 1989? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by P199 (talk) 15:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article is just too short at 1476 characters of prose. Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Chestnut-breasted Malkoha is a large cuckoo (pictured) from Southeast Asia which does not lay its eggs in other birds' nests?..exp 5x Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:...unlike other cuckoos, the Chestnut-breasted Malkoha does not lay its eggs in other birds' nests? - House of Scandal (talk) 16:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hook needs an inline citation. The hook is mentioned in the lead, may I suggest also putting in the "Breeding" section. Good image.

• ... that Irish television celebrity Bazil Ashmawy was born in Libya and is half Egyptian? - self nom by House of Scandal (talk) 14:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Sir William Gregory was appointed Speaker of the House of Commons in 1679 despite having only been a Member of Parliament for a year? New article, 1700-odd characters minus the quote, self-nom. Ironholds 13:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Amherst College president Arthur Stanley Pease was an "indefatigable pedestrian" and mountaineer who studied plants in the White Mountains of New Hampshire? - self nom by House of Scandal (talk) 09:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• I made it [[wikt:indefatigable|indefatigable]], assuming the purpose of linking the word is for people who don't know what it means at all. If you would rather link to fatigue that's a disambiguation, so make it fatigue (medical). Art LaPella (talk) 02:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• I thought that word made a quirky addition to the hook and where you linked it is probably best. Thanks. House of Scandal (talk) 12:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length and date verified. Hook is properly cited to a subscription website. Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that ethnic Dayaks in Borneo resorted to the ancient practice of headhunting to chase away migrant Madurese during the Sampit conflict in 2001? -- new article self-nom by ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 07:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during the 30 Rock episode "Cleveland", scenes set in Cleveland, Ohio were actually filmed in Battery Park City, Manhattan? -- Jɑɱǐε Jcɑ 01:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Oyem, Gabon, was besieged by rabid dogs in March 2004, who killed three of five residents infected? Expansion by --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 01:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

The intro states "Proposed articles should not be marked as stubs", and Oyem's talk page states that it is a stub. Is it an outdated grade? If it can be upgraded or edited to do such, it would be ideal. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 03:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, sometimes people forget to remove the {{stub}} tag when nominating articles for DYK. In any case, this article is a little too short at 1299 characters of prose. Thingg^⊕⊗ 04:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that despite gale warnings being issued for 1986's Tropical Storm Andrew along the East Coast, no gale force winds were ever felt on land? Self-nom. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 01:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT:... that with over 50 deaths attributed to the storm Tropical Storm Andrew was the deadliest storm of the 1986 Atlantic hurricane season? –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
    • "over" struck as the article mentions exactly 50 deaths (49 in Jamaica and the swimmer in the Carolinas) as attributed to the storm. Thingg^⊕⊗ 04:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Francis Coleman worked as a conductor, magazine editor and musical director of the Royal Winnipeg Ballet before producing CBC's coverage of Elizabeth II's coronation at the age of 29? (self-nom) Warofdreams talk 15:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Map of the Bulgarian communities in Romania

• ... that Bulgarian settlers in what is today Romania contributed to the construction of the Black Church in Braşov, Transylvania in the 14th century and founded the Şcheii Braşovului neighbourhood of the city? (self-nom), Todor→Bozhinov 14:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Sawyer Russell commanded the 28th Regiment United States Colored Troops in the American Civil War, including at the Battle of the Crater, in which the regiment suffered casualties of nearly fifty percent? --Coemgenus 17:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC) (self nom)

• Looks good.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 20:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 12

• ... that mountaineer Ger McDonnell pucked a hurley from the summit of Mount Everest in 2003? (new article, self nomination) --Candlewicke Consortiums Limited 16:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• As an American, I've never heard the word "puck" used as a verb before. That sense of the word is missing from several dictionaries, and it isn't explained in the Ger McDonnell or Hurley (stick) articles. Art LaPella (talk) 01:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• • • Fair enough. I guess colloquialism can't be argued with in the circumstances. How about a substitute word such as "produced" or "brought"? --Candlewicke (Talk) 03:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook: ... that mountaineer Ger McDonnell brought a hurley to the summit of Mount Everest in 2003?

• Length and ref confirmed. Note that the article was actually created on the 12th; I've moved this from the section for the 14th. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 20:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Eastbourne Borough is the fifth football club for which Jean-Michel Sigere and Simon Wormull have played together? Double self-nom, both articles expanded many-fold from short stubs, Simon Wormull on 12th August, Jean-Michel Sigere on 15th. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hook is not cited in the article. Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• All five clubs properly cited in both articles now, sorry bout that... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ...that due to disappointing previuos tests, third prototype of Avro 533 Manchester plane (example pictured) was never fitted with engines? Article by Trevor MacInnis (talk · contribs) nom by M.K (talk · contribs) Alternatives are welcome, M.K. (talk) 11:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
• Two possibilities:
  • ... that when Singaporean poet Edwin Thumboo was a university freshman he was charged with sedition but acquitted?
  • ... that Edwin Thumboo's 1979 poem Ulysses by the Merlion has influenced so many other Singaporean poets, it is joked that a true Singapore poet has to have written a "Merlion poem"?

— Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 15:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC) (expanded article and nominated it).

• ... that adventurer Martin Johnson died when a Western Air Express Boeing crashed into Pinetos Peak, but his wife Osa continued their lecture tour in a wheelchair despite neck and back injuries? Autodidactyl (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

An AMX-30E on display at the Museum of Armored Vehicles of El Goloso, in Spain

• ... that the Spanish AMX-30E (pictured) underwent an extensive modernization program between 1989 and 1993, dramatically improving the tank's mobility, firepower and accuracy? JonCatalán (talk) 06:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Fivefold expansion began on the 12th. Other than that no problems. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 14:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Moved JonCatalán (talk) 00:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Edgar Stillman Kelley and his wife traveled around Europe lecturing on American classical music? (self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 22:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Looks good, refs verified. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 14:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that Willie Mitchell won a Michigan High School Athletic Association basketball championship in 1992 & 1993, but lost to future Michigan Wolverines men's basketball teammate Robert Traylor in 1994?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

*... that Will Dockery built Dockery Plantation (pictured) (home of such legendary bluesmen as Charlie Patton, Tommy Johnson, and Robert Johnson), thus being fundamental in the development of the Mississippi blues? (self nom) —Mattisse (Talk) 16:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• 213 character hook. Thingg^⊕⊗ 17:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Alt hook (SHORTENED) ... that Will Dockery, by building Dockery Plantation (pictured), home of legendary bluesman Robert Johnson, was fundamental to the development of the blues? (self nom) —Mattisse (Talk) 18:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and ref verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the cape of Inamuragasaki was so named for its similarity in shape to a stack of rice at harvest time? (created by Urashimataro (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 06:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles T. Barney, president of the Knickerbocker Trust Company, committed suicide after the collapse of his company sparked the Panic of 1907? (self-nom --JayHenry (talk) 04:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC) )

• ... that SS Pennsylvanian, an American cargo ship, was one of the first two steamships to travel eastbound through the Panama Canal after it opened in August 1914? -- new article self-nom by Bellhalla (talk) 23:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1895, the North Star Mine Powerhouse's Pelton wheel was the largest in the world? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Quedlinburg medieval art was stolen due to a soldier who had taken art appreciation classes accidentally discovered them in a mineshaft? (created by Clarityfiend (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 20:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• (Alt)... that the Quedlinburg medieval art was stolen by a soldier who had taken art appreciation classes, and had accidentally discovered the art in a mineshaft? Art LaPella (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• either way it should be "... that medieval art from Quedlinburg was stolen..." Johnbod (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Delta, Minas Gerais, despite having a population of 6,600, had no banks as of 2007? (created by Vogensen (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 20:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Referencing inadequate, in my view, per previous discussions for this DYK nominator. Discuss at/see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Referencing style reprise. doncram (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to ignore above; user has proven to review anything I provide in bad faith.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Unstriking. Please don't edit war, Bedford, and please don't strike my comments. doncram (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You are the one insisting on warring. You are not El Jefe of Wikipedia.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 01:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Restoring and REPEATING, please do not remove my indication. doncram (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You know you have no right assessing anything I do here. As it was illegitimate, away it goes.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 07:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the population of Conquista, Minas Gerais decreased due to decreasing demand of coffee in the world, and the need for workers to create Brasilia? (created by Vogensen (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 20:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Referencing inadequate, in my view, per previous discussions for this DYK nominator. Discuss at/see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Referencing style reprise. doncram (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to ignore above; user has proven to review anything I provide in bad faith.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Unstriking. Please don't edit war, Bedford, and please don't strike my comments. doncram (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You are the one insisting on warring. You are not El Jefe of Wikipedia.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 01:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Restoring and REPEATING, please do not remove my indication, which you removed here and above. doncram (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You know you have no right assessing anything I do here. As it was illegitimate, away it goes.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 07:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, on opening night, audiences cried "Murder!" during the conclusion of Samuel Johnson's Irene after seeing the main character strangled on stage? new article, co-nom User:Lexo Ottava Rima (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the accounts of Samuel Johnson's life, the Life of Samuel Johnson (1787) and the Thraliana, were written by those James Boswell, writer of Life of Samuel Johnson (1791), considered rivals? self-nom, quadruple nom, one five fold expansion, three new, has a new list that is unique to Wikipedia. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• • How about "... that in addition to Boswell's famous Life of Samuel Johnson (1791), major accounts of Samuel Johnson's life include the rival Life of Samuel Johnson (1787) and the Thraliana?" I'm impressed you got four in! Shimgray | talk | 22:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

That would be an acceptable alt nom. I could have gone for five, or six, but there just isn't enough space for characters. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Lengths, dates, and hooks verified. (*off topic*) I have to admit I laughed when I saw this edit summary to an addition of ~12000 bytes.... Thingg^⊕⊗ 03:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Alt nom - ... that in addition to Boswell's famous Life (1791), major accounts of Samuel Johnson's life include the Anecdotes (1786), the rival Life (1787), An Essay (1792), and the Thraliana? self-nom, six part nom Ottava Rima (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

additional articles verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 17:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Alt nom - ... that in addition to Boswell's famous Life (1791), major accounts of Samuel Johnson's life include Biographical Sketch (1784), Anecdotes (1786), the rival Life (1787), Essay (1792), and Thraliana? self nom, seven parts, I forgot the original postmortem work on Johnson, whcihw as too important to leave out. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 2008, the German Federation of Internal Medicine awarded former Nazi Hans Joachim Sewering‎ the Gunther-Budelmann medal, its highest honor? I would love to say he killed 900 children, but that would go against BLP. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 17:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• I could be wrong, but I think this article is somewhat non-neutral. All the requirements check out though. Thingg^⊕⊗ 03:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • How so? The assumptuion that he killed a lot of people is a very important partof his life. We don't mention that in the hook, of course. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 12:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first British comprehensive school was Holyhead High School on the Welsh island of Anglesey? self nom by Victuallers (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC) and User:Dahliarose

Length, date and hook verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 18:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment: While it passes all three criteria, in order to avoid fights over sentences ending with prepositional phrases, I recommend the following:

• Comment on the comment: Sentences ending with prepositions are controversial. Sentences ending with prepositional phrases are standard, not controversial. [1] Art LaPella (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Holyhead High School, located on the Welsh island of Anglesey, was the first British comprehensive school?

Note: Image:Ysgol Uwchradd Caergybi High School.jpg is released under CC-BY-SA; thus, it can be used on the main page. Mouse is back 18:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Marriages Between Zones Three, Four and Five, a science fiction novel by Nobel Prize for Literature laureate Doris Lessing, was adapted for the opera in 1997 by composer Philip Glass? -- Article expanded 6x and self-nom by Bruce1ee^talk 14:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and reference verified. Interesting fact.--Captain-tucker (talk) 17:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team (1910-11 team pictured) has won 1950 games in 98 seasons and holds the record for consecutive 20-win seasons, with 31 seasons from 1970 through 2001? -- new article self-nom by Remember (talk) 13:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date and hook verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
    • So does this mean that this article is guaranteed to go on the main page. Cause I may not be around in a couple of days to answer any questions? Remember (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that an image within photosensitive glass is the most durable form of photography and will last as long as glass itself? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date and hook verified. I'd suggest taking out the "there is" to shorten the prose. PeterSymonds (talk) 18:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

  Good idea - Took out "there is" wording. Thanks for suggestion. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kevin Smith, an outspoken fan of the Degrassi franchise was supposed to guest star in "Mother and Child Reunion", the first episode of Degrassi: The Next Generation but didn't due to scheduling conflicts? He later starred in three episodes of season 4 and two episodes of season 5. -- Self nom (created by User:JoFerg, expanded by me, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 11:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • May be a little long... I dunno. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 11:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, 286 characters is a little long. Art LaPella (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
      • SHORTENED: ... that Kevin Smith, an outspoken fan of the Degrassi franchise, was set to appear in the pilot of Degrassi: The Next Generation, "Mother and Child Reunion"? He didn’t, due to scheduling conflicts. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 23:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
        • I'm not sure if this is a five-fold expansion or not. I think the version prior to expansion has 7311 characters, but I'm not sure if the "Plot Synopsis" section in that version counts as prose or not. If it doesn't, the current 19000+ character article passes easily. Thingg^⊕⊗ 02:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
          • Yeah. Personally I think the Plot was listy, as was the cast section, but I'll leave that to you guys to decide! This is only my second DYK nomination. The article did fail WP:MOSTV, WP:PLOT, WP:NN, and WP:TRIV before I worked on it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 04:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Rufous Songlark (pictured) is an Australian songbird that sometimes ends up as roadkill? - created by Polbot expanded by House of Scandal (talk) 03:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

good article but banal hook. Surely the heroic solo nest-building and rearing behaviour of the female is more interesting? Autodidactyl (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that current Toledo Mud Hens relief pitcher Gary Glover was once threatened with a shotgun while pitching in the Venezuelan Winter Leagues? -- tenfold expansion (at least) [2] -- self nom, Mackensen (talk) 02:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT ... that while playing in the Venezuelan Professional Baseball League, relief pitcher Gary Glover was robbed by a man with a shotgun? (not sure if the offline ref supports this, but Venezuelan Winter League redirects to Venezuelan Professional Baseball League) Thingg^⊕⊗ 02:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, it does. Mackensen (talk) 02:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that New Zealand politician John Key once promised Grey Power New Zealand he would resign if he ever lowered the superannuation? -- Expand and self-nom by ~ AmeIiorate _{U T C} @ 00:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a note, the stub contained 138 characters of prose but a list that accounted for 848 characters. I have based the 5x expansion on real prose, not the list. I hope my interpretation of the rules about this were correct. ~ AmeIiorate _{U T C} @ 00:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. #Instructions says " ... articles whose main body text has been expanded fivefold ... " (emphasis added) Art LaPella (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... the disappearance of Ann Gotlib in broad daylight in 1983 was a key factor that lead to the creation of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children? selfnom --Rividian (talk) 00:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Since the reference article is pay/subscription only, here is the quote: "Meanwhile, child-welfare advocates say Ann's case has helped increase national awareness of missing and abducted children and has revolutionized how missing-child cases are handled across the country. The Gotlib case was "part of the reason that Congress realized that Americans needed help with missing children," said Charles Pickett, a senior case manager at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children." --Rividian (talk) 00:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Rogers Orchards in Southington, Connecticut, founded in 1809, harvests twenty varieties of apples annually? (new article, a joint collaboration between Poeticbent and Ecoleetage). nom by Ecoleetage (talk) 02:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

or this Alt Hook:

• ... that Rogers Orchards in Southington, Connecticut has been owned and run by seven generations of the same family since 1809? (new article, a joint collaboration between Poeticbent and Ecoleetage). nom by Ecoleetage (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and both hooks verified. I personally think the second hook is more interesting, but either is fine. Thingg^⊕⊗ 03:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Alt Hook #3 with image:

Baldwin apple

• ... that the Baldwin apple (pictured), once prized for the making of traditional New England cider, has been cultivated by Rogers Orchards in Southington, Connecticut since 1809? (new article, a joint collaboration between Poeticbent and Ecoleetage) -- nom by Ecoleetage (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC) and by --Poeticbent talk 16:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Second hook is better. Connecticut apples ending up as "traditional" cider is somewhat of a no-brainer. - House of Scandal (talk) 19:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Maybe for someone who works in the industry this is a no-brainer (about the apples), but it wasn't for me. Anyhow, why did you put the word traditional into scare-quotes... or did you mean something else? - Poeticbent talk 02:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 11

• Hook 1: ... that the botanical garden "Fran Kušan" (pictured) in Šalata, Zagreb contains over 2000 different plant species, although it covers only 2.4 hectares?
  • Hook 2: ... that Šalata is the first neighborhood in Croatia to use digital homes (pictured)?
  • Hook 3: ... that Šalata houses Mirogoj, the biggest cemetery in Zagreb?
  • Hook 4: ... that two large villas for Croatian statesmen were planned in the Šalata neighborhood of Zagreb?
  • Hook 5: ... that the Open Air Festival in the Šalata neighborhood of Zagreb attracts musicians and bands worldwide?
  • (five fold over five days, self-nom) Pick the one you like the most. If none suits you, I'll do my best to find more. :-) Admiral Norton ^(talk) 16:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I read the section on unwritten rules. The article isn't expanded fivefold yet. I'll try and expand it tomorrow and post here when it's actually ready. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 21:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I expanded the article fivefold within last five days. I'll be going to sleep in a short while, so please save any non-urgent questions for tomorrow. Just a little request: could you please include this in the tomorrow 10 AM UTC update if it passes the requirements and gets selected? Admiral Norton ^(talk) 23:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lola ya Bonobo is the world's only sanctuary for orphaned bonobos? Seems interesting fact and it is also verified. Author is user: Vanessawoods. Beagel (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Swiss medical device manufacturer Synthes is the world's largest producer of implants to mend bone fractures? -- new article by Gr1st (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 15:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Soviet stamp honoring the frigate Oryol

Soviet stamp honoring the frigate Oryol

• ... that the Russian frigate Oryol (pictured) was completed in 1669 as the first Russian naval ship, and flew the earliest recorded white, blue, and red Russian flag? --(self-nom) Amble (talk) 06:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

André Raponda Walker in 1898

• ... that André Raponda Walker (pictured), the first Catholic priest from Gabon, created a basis for Gabon's culture? "serve as a repertoire ... to forge a national cultural identity." on page 12 self-nom Victuallers (talk) 07:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook verified. -- RyRy (talk) 09:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Very nice article but I'm troubled by the hook still. Even though it says "a basis" and not "the basis" it still seems awkward. Can you reword or suggest another angle? - House of Scandal (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, but I'd have preferred a suggestion rather than a request. He was the son of a princess - (but the ref is in French). How about

• • ALT ... that the work of André Raponda Walker (pictured) can forge Gabon's national identity? Victuallers (talk) 11:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that the Collège et Lycée Raponda Walker is named after André Raponda Walker (pictured), the first Catholic priest from Gabon?
  • ALT3 ... that André Raponda Walker (pictured) was the first Catholic priest from Gabon? (last two makes him sound like just the first non-white priest)

I think you need to choose or make a suggestion, I'm finding your request a bit vague Victuallers (talk) 11:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• • ALT4 ... that André Raponda Walker (pictured), the son of a Gabonese princess and an English trader-anthropologist, became the first Catholic priest from Gabon? --Amble (talk) 15:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
• ... that in building Arthur De Wint Foote's Foote's Crossing Road, Italian stonemasons constructed high embankment walls above the Middle Yuba River? (new articles; self nom) (ADWF created 2008-08-12; FCR created 2008-08-11) --Rosiestep (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Lengths and dates are good. Hook is mentioned and cited to an offline source in the second article. Thingg^⊕⊗ 01:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that according to Pliny the Elder, Quintus Valerius Soranus was the first writer to include a table of contents in his works? ~ Article by Cynwolfe; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC). It was so tempting to wikilink this...
  • Wow, great hook. Length, hook and date verified. Some supporting references are offline, but an English translation of Pliny refering to the TOC of "Valerius Soranus" can be found here, so this can be considered verified. --JayHenry (talk) 05:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that cricketer Roger Kimpton also won an Oxford University tennis tournament and a golf blue, and was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross as a Second World War fighter pilot? ~ Article by Loganberry; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC).

• ... that proposals in the 2008 Australian Federal budget included a A$3 billion increase in tax on alcopops? ~ Article by Ottre; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 20:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC).

• ... that Blair Fairchild, Arthur Nevin, Preston Ware Orem, Thurlow Lieurance, and Carl Busch were among the American composers associated with the Indianist movement? (quadruple self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not sure if you should include Fairchild here because (according to the article) he is only sometimes associated with the movement. (I'm not at all familiar with this topic, so I may be reading this incorrectly.) The other three articles are fine. Thingg^⊕⊗ 02:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • You aren't. I have to confess it's a bit subjective - I included him based on his placement in the source material (Howard's book - it places him among the Indianists, as does the Naxos CD release. I figure they know what they're doing, so I let it be.) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 04:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Since that does associate him with the Indianists, I'll have to agree. Articles verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 04:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Added one more - and I hopefully will have another to add in before too much longer. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 21:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Alberto Bimboni and Charles Sanford Skilton received the Bispham Memorial Medal Award for American opera for their operas on American Indian subjects? (double self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• The first article is fine (assuming good faith for the offline ref), but the ref for the statement in the second article mentions him receiving the David Bishop Medal of the American Opera Association of Chicago for his play, not the Bispham Memorial Medal Award. Thingg^⊕⊗ 02:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "Bishop Medal" appears to be a typo, from all I can figure - the David Bispham Medal is the one the Association awarded. "David Bishop" "American Opera Association" turns up two sources - this one, and the Dutch Wikipedia entry, which appears to be a direct translation of this one. Consequently, I split the difference; I figured it was a safe assumption to make. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 04:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I thought that may have been the case when I first saw it. Since I found no record of anyone named David Bishop who lived within 100 years prior the time the award was established (let alone someone who founded an opera award) after nearly 25 minutes of searching on three search engines and four reference websites, I think it's safe to assume that it was a typo. Articles verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 05:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• • All of the composer articles were written in userspace, and went live yesterday. I have a couple more I might try to shoehorn in on that first one, if they're long enough and I get to them in enough time. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 20:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Northern Irish singer Clodagh Rodgers received death threats from the Irish Republican Army after performing her song "Jack in the Box" for the United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest in 1971? (self-nom, expanded eight-fold from this to this.) Mike H. Fierce! 15:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that German biologist Hubert Markl, who received the Bundesverdienstkreuz in 1992, was President of the Max Planck Society from 1996 to 2002? (self-nom) Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• there is no citation for the Bundesverdienstkreuz and I could not locate it in either of the two references in the article. --Captain-tucker (talk) 00:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, the award is referred to by it's official name, Verdienstorden der Bundesrepublik Deutschland, in English (The Grand Cross of the Order of Merit, Federal Republic of Germany) in the first ref. Article verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 01:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Sir Clyomon and Sir Clamydes, an early Elizabethan stage play whose authorship is unknown, is thought to have influenced several of Shakespeare's plays? (created by Ugajin). --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that champion shooter Abhinav Bindra is the first Indian to win an individual gold medal at the Olympic Games? -- expansion by many editors ( The article was a stub yesterday, before Abhinav Bindra won his gold medal in Shooting at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 10 metre air rifle. Hundreds of edits have been made since, including many by anonymous contributors. I love this collaborative editing business! ), nom. by PFHLai (talk) (I deliberately leave out links to the wikipages of the 2008 Games to avoid making the hook too ITN-ish. I wouldn't mind making the hook longer to include such links.) -- 02:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Article might need to be wikified but is ready for DYK. Shobhit102 | talk  04:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 30 Rock episode "Secrets and Lies" was performed live on stage at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre to show support for the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike? -- Jɑɱǐε Jcɑ 23:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kris Kelderman played for the US team at the 1985 FIFA U-16 World Championship while still <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/navpop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&dontcountme=s">in high school? (created by Mohrflies (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • No problems. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 22:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Wouldn't this hook be true of nearly every player on the team (exceptions to high school drop-outs, which I am betting is more unusual)? Mitico (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Oops, being an American over the age of 12, I didn't catch that U-16 meant under-16 soccer players. We'll go with the following

• ... (alt hook) that Kansas City Wizards's assistant coach Kris Kelderman's high school soccer coach was none other than his father? (created by Mohrflies (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 22:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, sounds like a quite ordinary thing. We all learn something from parents :) NVO (talk) 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's too common for a soccer player's high-school coach to be his father, but I could be wrong. Either way, I don't really care, but I think the hook is fine. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not thrilled with this hook. At any rate, the phrase "none other" should not be included. - House of Scandal (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Referencing inadequate, in my view, per previous discussions for this DYK nominator. Discuss at/see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Referencing style reprise. doncram (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to ignore above; user has proven to review anything I provide in bad faith.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Unstriking. Please don't edit war, Bedford, and please don't strike my comments. doncram (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You are the one insisting on warring, and you love striking people. You are not El Jefe of Wikipedia.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 01:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Restoring and REPEATING, please do not remove my indication, here and twice above. doncram (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You know you have no right assessing anything I do here. As it was illegitimate, away it goes.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 07:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the namesake of Yardley, Pennsylvania, William Yardley, moved from England to Pennsylvania in 1682, he brought with him 40 pounds (18 kilograms) of shoes? -- Article expanded fivefold by BillFlis and Suntag (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length (5x expansion) & reference verified. Mitico (talk) 22:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Jolimont Workshops were built for Melbourne's new fleet of suburban trains in 1917? (created by Wongm (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

File:Mba.jpg

• ... that though Paul Gondjout founded the Gabonese Democratic Bloc, Léon M'ba (pictured) soon overthrew him? New article by --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 20:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in her début at the 2008 Summer Olympics, Tao Li broke the Asian record for the 100 m butterfly twice and became the first Singaporean swimmer to enter an Olympic final? — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 15:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC) (expanded the article and nominated it).

• Length, date, and ref verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when the Common Tunnel opened in 1928 it made the Holmenkoll Line the first underground railway in Scandinavia? —self-nom, fivefold expansion Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 210-year old Gate of Mercy Synagogue is the oldest synagogue in Mumbai? (On the shorter side, but not much references available) =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• It's a nice article, but 861 characters is probably a little too short. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:36, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Stansted Mountfitchet Windmill (pictured) is a Scheduled Ancient Monument? New article created and self-nom by Mjroots (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Taste in High Life

• ... that William Hogarth was paid sixty guineas to paint Taste in High Life (engraving pictured), a 1742 oil-on-canvas that pokes fun at the fashion of the upper class? (self) —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that French novelist and playwright Honoré de Balzac once lived in the house on the Moika River Embankment which now hosts the Consulate-General of France in Saint Petersburg (pictured)? new article, self nom by Russavia --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 07:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Arts High School in Newark, New Jersey opened its doors to students in September 1931 as the first public high school in the United States specializing in the visual and performing arts? new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 06:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Orthodera novaezealandiae (pictured) is the only praying mantis native to New Zealand? - self nom by House of Scandal (talk) 01:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1998 film Goodbye, 20th Century! features a sequence where a man dressed like Santa Claus attends a wake that turns violent to the sounds of Sid Vicious singing My Way? (self-nom, 5x expansion) Ecoleetage (talk) 00:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• added link to wake (ceremony) in hook. Length, date and ref verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that parts of the veiled stinkhorn Phallus indusiatus have been consumed by lifeforms as diverse as bees, flies, Chinese diplomats and Henry Kissinger?...exp 5x by Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the colonels' group dominated the Polish government for most of the history of the Second Polish Republic? --self-nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Barcol hardness test was developed during World War II when the United States Army Air Corps needed a way to check that airplane rivets had not been sabotaged? - self-nom, moved from user space, by Stardust8212 23:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and ref verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Indy 500 driver Harry Hartz placed in the top four positions five times in six attempts, did racing sequences for the film The Crowd Roars, and as a publicity stunt, drove a car backwards across the U.S.? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by CZmarlin (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that baseball player Roger Connor, whose brother Joe Connor was also a baseball player, was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame and was the first to hit an over-the-wall home run at Polo Grounds? Self-nom by Wizardman (talk · contribs) and RyRy (talk · contribs). Note that his is the 2,500,000th article created on Wikipedia as said at the this AN discussion. It would be absolutely great if this were to appear on the Main Page. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 23:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. Thanks to both of you for getting a milestone on the Main Page. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 01:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on the milestone! The hook, however, goes into overtime. I suggest mentioning perhaps two of the three (Roger Connor, Hall of Fame, Polo Grounds) facts. Also...isn't this hook really about his brother rather than Joe himself?- House of Scandal (talk) 19:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first three residents of the John Kane House (pictured) in Pawling, New York were a man nearly hanged for treason, another who lost the home for turning Tory during the Revolution, and George Washington? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 03:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... Nice article! Shorter ALT hook: "... the first three residents of the John Kane House (pictured) were a man nearly hanged for treason, a British Loyalist, and George Washington? - House of Scandal (talk) 19:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Even better (I like to note that Kane switched sides during the war): "... the first three residents of the John Kane House (pictured) were a man nearly hanged for treason, a Patriot turned British Loyalist, and George Washington? Daniel Case (talk) 23:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

That sounds great. - House of Scandal (talk) 01:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 10

• ... that the Fuller family, known for Fuller's London Pride cask ale, live in Neston Park, an English country house in Wiltshire? -- new article by Jojikiba (talk · contribs); nom by Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that West Indies Power is a company developing geothermal power in Nevis, Saba and Dominica? -- self nom.Beagel (talk) 08:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1992, Marilyn Roman became the 43rd mayor of Jersey City, New Jersey, and the first woman to hold the office in the city's history? -- new article by User:JimMillerJr, nom by Alansohn (talk) 05:53, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and reference verified.--Captain-tucker (talk) 17:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Arms of St Bees School

• ... that after his time as headmaster of St. Bees School (arms pictured), George Mallaby joined the army, rose to Colonel, became High Commissioner to New Zealand, and was knighted? - self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 06:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Vasili Blokhin, a Russian Major-General and chief executioner of the Stalinist Soviet NKVD, carried out 6,000 executions in 28 days, making him ostensibly the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history? --Article by Bullzeye; nominated by Jennavecia ^(Talk) 03:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

  Alt. hook: ... that Vasili Blokhin, a Russian Major-General and chief executioner of the Stalinist Soviet NKVD, carried out 6,000 executions in 28 days, making it one of the most organized and protracted serial killings by a single individual on record? Jennavecia ^(Talk) 03:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

  Revised hook ... that Vasili Blokhin, a Soviet Russian Major-General and chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD, led a company of executioners that performed the majority of the 828,000 official executions carried out during Stalin's reign, including tens of thousands by his own hand? Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 20:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• This version is a 269 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 22:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Re-revised Hook ... that Vasili Blokhin, chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD, led a unit of executioners that performed most of the 828,000 executions during Stalin's reign, including tens of thousands by his own hand? Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 01:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I checked the primary sources used by your sources (in the form available on the net). It appears that although the English wiki article renders all the graphic details of Tokarev's confession correctly (not mentioning the circumstances of its extraction), Tokarev did not say a word that (then) major Blokhin was the only shooter. On the contrary, Tokarev more than once used they: they killed. NVO (talk) 10:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's Polish (original) and Russian text of Tokarev's interrogation: [3]. Proceed to middle of p.442.: <my own English version>:

Q. How did they, from the komendant's team, like your driver, shoot - did they shoot the <Walter guns> brought <by Blokhin in a suitcase>?

A. Yes, from <guns> the brought <by Blokhin>. Blokhin managed it himself. He issued the pistols, and took them back once the job was over. He collected <the guns> in person.

Q. Why did the drivers took part in the shootings if it was not their job?

A. <Tokarev makes a hardly comprehensible answer probably implying that they were forced to kill or be killed>.

so this I suppose negates the "single shooter" story.NVO (talk) 10:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll have to ask Bullzeye, because he wrote the article, but I understand it that of the 828,000 executions, tens of thousands were carried out by Blokhin himself, 6,000 of them during that 28-day period when he averaged one execution every three minutes for ten hours each night. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 15:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I checked the book. Page 324 of The Lesser Terror reads: "One Chekist who deserves a special mention is V.M. Blokhin, quite possibly the greatest executioner in history. ... the NKVD carried out 828,000 official executions... Blokhin, as head of the execution squads under Iagoda, Ezhov and Beriia must have been responsible for a good percentage of them. ... Blokhin was a hands-on executioner, taking part, for instance, in the shooting of the Polish POW officers from the Oshtakov camp who were killed in April 1940 in the headquarters of the NKVD in Kalinin." I don't have access to the text of Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar, but I'll ask Bullzeye when he's online again. That is the cited source for the "one execution every three minutes for ten hours a night for 28 days." Jennavecia ^(Talk) 16:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The source, in using must have been recognises it is conjecture on the part of the author, and isn't verification that he did carry out all of the executions which the hook claims that he did partake in. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 19:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, he was a Soviet Major-General, not a Russian Major-General, and Soviet links to Soviet Russia instead of Soviet Union; why is that? --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 19:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The issue here is sources. Being that this was Stalinist era covert operations, undertaken without paperwork, Tokarev was the only direct witness to the Kalinin POW executions, and he gave his story under interrogation. Which means he gave it 97 times, each one slightly different but with the same major details. Several sources simply state that he killed them all. Tokarev himself says this at one point. The number of POWs killed also varies from 6,000 to 7,000. I'm open to suggestions as to a better hook, but in terms of overall article quality and verifiability, I encourage historical perspective. There's no doubt based sheerly on arithmetic and anecdote that Blokhin killed more people than any other executioner in recorded history; but unfortunately, there's no paperwork giving an exact number, either. This isn't Nazi Germany; there is no smoking gun, no Swansee Conference minutes, no neatly typed internal memos. There's also no additional extant sources that mention Vasili Blokhin aside from the ones I included in the article. I'll work on a new hook tonight. Also, props to User:NVO for the Polish self-translation. It was very helpful. Bullzeye ^{(Ring for Service)} 20:46, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Bardwell-Ferrant House (pictured) in Minneapolis, Minnesota was built in 1883 as a Queen Anne style house and then given onion domed towers in an 1890 Moorish Revival makeover? --Self-nom by Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 03:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jupiter's atmospheric features include the Great Red Spot (pictured), which seems to be shrinking, and "Red Jr.", first seen in 2000, which seems to be growing and turning redder? ~ Article by Ruslik0; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC). Pic should be OK as it's a NASA public domain image.

• The vast majority of this article was moved from the Great Red Spot article, which is now a redirect. Thingg^⊕⊗ 00:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in February, 2007 the headquarters of John Edwards in the online game Second Life was attacked by the Griefing group the Patriotic Nigras wearing 'bush 08' buttons? (self-nom) - Icewedge (talk) 20:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Syrian poet Nizar Qabbany wanted a burial in Damascus because it was "the womb that taught (him) poetry, taught (him) creativity and granted (him) the alphabet of Jasmine"? (created by Mohand 9992 (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 09:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the USDA's World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates was originally only concerned with the supply, demand, and trade in the United States? (created by Jeff.johnson.au (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 09:19, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that among the reactions to the 2008 Tibetan unrest include police protecting the Chinese embassy from a peaceful demonstration in Reykjavík, Iceland? (created by 03md (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 08:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Saying both 'among' and 'include' is redundant. Suggest the following, now with extra links:

• ... that reactions to the 2008 Tibetan unrest have included police protecting the Chinese embassy from a peaceful demonstration in Reykjavík, Iceland? Olaf Davis | Talk 12:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that British Columbia's Disaster Response Route network, while most consisting of roads, also includes marine routes? (created by Cahk (talk · contribs) , nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 08:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Referencing inadequate, in my view, per previous discussions for this DYK nominator. Discuss at/see Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Referencing style reprise. doncram (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to ignore above; user has proven to review anything I provide in bad faith.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Unstriking. Please don't edit war and please don't strike my comments. doncram (talk) 01:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You are the one insisting on warring, and you love striking people. You are not El Jefe of Wikipedia.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 01:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Restoring and REPEATING, please do not remove my indication, here and three times above. doncram (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You know you have no right assessing anything I do here. As it was illegitimate, away it goes.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 07:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the second-largest zoo in Malaysia behind Zoo Negara is the Melaka Zoo? --(self-nom) H2H (talk) 08:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article is just too short at 1417 characters of prose. Thingg^⊕⊗ 20:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Expanded; what about now? H2H (talk) 13:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Yup, that's good. ref and date also verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 15:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Mal Cochrane is the hooker in the Indigenous Team of the Century in the New South Wales Rugby League? -- new article by Florrie (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 05:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that due to the American Civil War, the Bahamas saw imports increase by a factor of 23, and exports increase by a factor of 29.6? (self-nom)--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 00:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• OK, there are some wording problems, and someone with the British pound sign needs to place those symbols on the article.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 00:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Is it better now? (Next time you want a £ symbol, you'll find it among the special characters at the bottom of an edit screen. Or copy one from an article such as British pound.) Art LaPella (talk) 01:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• And now I know; thank ya.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 08:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Why not use the name of the article whenever possible? Example:"... that Bahamas in the American Civil War saw imports increase by a factor of 23, and exports increase by a factor of 29.6?" - House of Scandal (talk) 15:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Did I have the percentage marks in originally? Those marks make the math wrong. It was 23 times greater and 29.6 times greater.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 15:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Although I don't particularly mind hooks which don't have the article name in them, we definitely need the word 'American' in there somewhere: until I read HoS's alt I assumed it meant a civil war in the Bahamas (and that's despite my knowing Bedford's interests - the Main Page audience won't be so lucky!) Olaf Davis | Talk 12:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• It has been added.--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 15:45, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Albert Dominicus Trip van Zoudtlandt led the Dutch-Belgian heavy cavalry brigade at the Battle of Waterloo, which helped the Duke of Wellington's victory? (new article by Ereunetes) Truthanado (talk) 23:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Others please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this sentence is a no-no: "Despite these refutations Siborne's allegations often are repeated in Anglophone historiography of the battle (also the current version of the Battle of Waterloo in Wikipedia)." It's a Wikipedia:Self-reference that invites a Template:Contradict-other. I would think he should resolve the difference of opinion at the Battle of Waterloo page first, rather than ask readers to guess which contradicting page to believe. Art LaPella (talk) 01:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Carl Rungius astride a moose skull.

• ... that Carl Rungius was the most important big game painter and the first career wildlife artist in North America? -Self-nom for Kintetsubuffalo and Oreo Priest ^talk 21:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

... the first career wildlife artist in North America if you don't count Mark Catesby or John James Audubon...--Wetman (talk) 05:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Those two are career naturalists, whose job happened to involve art. The hook is cited too. -Oreo Priest ^talk 13:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that female Redtail Splitfin fish nourish their unborn young through organs known as trophotaeniae that function similar to umbilical cords in mammals? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 21:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date OK. Assuming good faith for off-line reference having found [4],[5] other web sites that match. --Captain-tucker (talk) 17:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a lantern in the steeple of St. Philip's Church in Charleston, South Carolina was the rear light of the Fort Sumter Range Lights? - New article, self-nomination. KudzuVine (talk) 20:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article is 1201 characters. Thingg^⊕⊗ 20:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• I expanded the article and brought it into the 21st century. Added 4 book references, 3 charts by reference, and USCG light list. Additional image to possibly be added later today. Thanks for the motivational push!KudzuVine (talk) 12:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article expanded to 1871 characters. Ref and date also verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 17:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... young people are more literate in Hakha Chin than their elder counterparts? - just created this article today.^MY♥_INchile 20:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Article is two short at 1136 charachters of readable prose. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 21:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

expanded article maybe long enough now.^MY♥_INchile 07:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Article is now 2,012 charachters long. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 17:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that there have been 36 head coaches in the history of the professional American football team the Cardinals? BUC (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Least Killifish is the smallest fish found in North America? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length & reference verified. Mitico (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Amedei Porcelana is the world’s most expensive chocolate? - self nom by House of Scandal (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• The article refers to 2003 and 2006 sources on price. By now, mass, supermarket-sold brands (upscale but not exceptional) are already there. Can you update the price section and also quote the "runners up" prices (US market realities are not quite obvious in other markets).NVO (talk) 10:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'll try to follow your recommendations. The per bar price in the article is recent. The $90 a pound comes from sources a couple years old but I don't know that this chocolate has gotten any more recent press covereage. I don't feel these issues invalidate the hook but am open to the opinions of other editors. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that taxis in Brunei have license plates with white letters on a green background instead of a black background?

*... that that the Brunei Royal Family has cars with unique and personalised license plates -- (selfnom, new article) Novelty (talk) 16:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hook does not appear to be cited to a reliable source. Thingg^⊕⊗ 20:00, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• OK, let's delete that one out for a new one --Novelty (talk) 08:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and ref verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 15:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• "... that vehicle registration plates of Brunei have white letters on a green background for taxis?" fits the actual name of the article into the hook. - House of Scandal (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that law professor John F. Banzhaf III, scourge of the tobacco industry, started his career as an electrical engineer? (self-nom, article expanded) --Uncia (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the FC Büsingen, a German football club formed in 1924, had a nut tree in its playing field penalty area until 1927, when it was cut down? article expanded, EA210269 (talk) 15:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Abraham Lincoln called the Beefsteak Raid "the slickest piece of cattle-stealing" he ever heard of? (self-nom)--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 14:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Georgia Cayvan became the first person to wear a glass dress (pictured)? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and ref verified. Nice hook! Olaf Davis | Talk 11:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the yellow flesh of the edible mushroom Russula aurea (pictured) distinguishes it from the peppery tasting and inedible sickener? ..exp 5x..Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... the sudden collape of the Pemberton Mill was one of the worst industrial accidents in American history? - self nom by House of Scandal (talk) 05:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

nice article - reffed and length fine Victuallers (talk) 08:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Pedro Pizarro, a Spanish chronicler and conquistador, took part in the Spanish conquest of Peru and wrote an account titled Relation of the discovery and conquest of the kingdoms of Peru? -- new article self-nom by Victor12 (talk) 04:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Manila Grand Opera House served as a theater, opera house, residence, cinema and nightclub before its original building was demolished and re-constructed as a hotel? (Expanded self nom). --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 03:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  • , length, date and hook verified. Expanded a little more than x5. All clear. --JayHenry (talk) 05:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Saffron Parasol (pictured) is actually a small orange mushroom found throughout temperate regions of Europe and North America? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC) + Luridiformis

• Length verified & assumed good faith for the reference. Mitico (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Passer Angelfish undergoes significant changes in coloration and shape during its transition from juvenile to sexually mature, going from bright orange, yellow, and blue to a drab brownish-black color? (new article, self nom) L'Aquatique[talk] 04:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

214 character hook. "... that the Passer Angelfish undergoes large changes in coloration during its transition from juvenile to sexually mature, going from bright orange, yellow, and blue to a drab brownish-black color?" is 198 characters if you want to use that. Thingg^⊕⊗ 19:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Okay... Revised hook: ... that the Passer Angelfish undergoes large changes in coloration during its transition from juvenile to sexually mature, going from bright orange, yellow, and blue to a drab brownish-black color? L'Aquatique[talk] 07:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

A 1847 map of Lower Manhattan; the only railroad in Manhattan at that time was the New York and Harlem Railroad.

• ... that the completion of the Harlem Valley Railroad (location pictured) resulted in products being transported by rail directly to New York City, rather than depending on river transport via Poughkeepsie? Self-nom. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 07:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and ref verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 19:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that delay certificates issued by railway companies in Japan and Germany to passengers for tardy trains are considered valid reasons by superiors for reporting late to school or work? - self-nom, Mailer Diablo 16:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length and ref OK. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 00:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Steve Brye was signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1978, only to be released a few months later? -Expanded fivefold. Modeled after Jim Adduci and Santo Alcala, two DYKs.--LAAFan 19:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

He's the only ballplayer this ever happened to? Daniel Case (talk) 04:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Nope, this has happened hundreds of times in my calculations. Please do find a different hook that is rather interesting. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 05:51, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook: ... that, in his first and only season as a starter, Steve Brye led the Minnesota Twins in doubles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LAAFan (talk • contribs)

Length, date and hook verified. This is much more interesting, but I would reword it to ALT: ... that Steve Brye, in his first and only season as an baseball outfielder, led the Minnesota Twins in doubles? Good job LAAFan! :-) Keep it up! -- RyRy (talk) 23:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Interstate and U.S. Routes in Washington currently make up about 2,593.68 miles (4,174.12 km) of Washington's state highway system? ~~ ĈőмρǖтέŗĠύʎ890100 (t ↔ Ĕ ↔ ώ) 23:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  • alt hook ... that there are over 2500 miles of U.S. Routes and Interstate Highways in the U.S. state of Washington? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 00:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and hook verified. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 00:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

1896 Southeast Town Hall

• ... that after two previous buildings burned down, the Town of Southeast, New York, built its 1896 town hall (pictured) of less flammable brick and iron? Self-nom. I would love to have combined this with the First National Bank of Brewster hook below but this fact is too good not to pass up. Daniel Case (talk) 04:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length & reference verified. Mitico (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ireland has a reality television show named in honour of the BBC sitcom, Fawlty Towers? RTÉ's Fáilte Towers is currently being broadcast, sparking overseas interest. - self-nom, --Candlewicke Consortiums Limited 11:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Alt hook: ... that Fáilte Towers, an RTÉ reality show involving celebrities running a real hotel, is a play on the name of 1970s BBC sitcom Fawlty Towers starring John Cleese? (new article by Candlewicke) ww2censor (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Alt of alt hook: ... that Fáilte Towers, an RTÉ reality show involving celebrities running a real hotel, is a play on the name of 1970s BBC sitcom, Fawlty Towers starring John Cleese? --Candlewicke Consortiums Limited 16:40, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Wizardman 22:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
      • I feel that hook goes into much unneeded detail. " ... that RTÉ reality show Fáilte Towers takes its name from John Cleese's BBC sitcom, Fawlty Towers?" seems like more than enough. - House of Scandal (talk) 15:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
        • Ah yes, hence my original line which bore some resemblance to that. How about the following? --Candlewicke Consortiums Limited 16:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ireland's reality television show, Fáilte Towers is named in honour of the BBC sitcom, Fawlty Towers?

The ref does not support the "in honour of"; it either "takes it name from" or "is a play on". Also, I think it is better to use "RTÉ" rather than "Ireland", so I prefer House of Scandal's revision. ww2censor (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Very well. I see your point. It is more RTÉ's than Ireland's. Is it likely to be included at all at this point though? There doesn't appear to be much time left? --Candlewicke Consortiums Limited 15:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Until the hooks of a given date go below the "expiring noms" article they are considered for promotion only in extremis, so your article still has time. It's not about anything in the USA, so that's a plus. - House of Scandal (talk) 19:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

In extremis??? :O But do articles this far down get bothered about? Or are they generally taken from the top? --Candlewicke (Talk) 00:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

They're taken from the bottom. The article is still in the locker room. Articles below this are on the actual playing field. If you're anxious about whether it will get picked or not, it can't hurt to keep improving (not necessarily adding, but improving) until the clock runs out. - House of Scandal (talk) 01:50, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on August 9

• ... ... that American actor Anthony Warde, who appeared in over 150 films between 1937 and 1964, owned a men's clothing store after retiring from his acting career?
• Anthony Warde - RyRy (talk · contribs)

• This one only has IMDB as a source and should not have been approved. Gatoclass (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the New Orleans based family of master plasterer Earl Barthé has specialized in historical and decorative plasterwork since 1850? - self nom by Nrswanson (talk) 22:04, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and reference verified; copyedited hook (Also, it's better supported by note 1, not note 2, which appears to be the cited source. Daniel Case (talk) 23:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the sign of the horns is now used at pop music concerts, not just heavy metal ones, and young people may be using it unaware that it's sometimes associated with the phrase Hail Satan? -(self nom, this is my first time so forgive me if it's formatted wrong.) --Sticky Parkin 22:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. Normally, I would approve it, but I do not like the way the article is referenced. They should be referenced properly generally be using {{citeweb}} templates. I'm not so sure if there is a citeweb-like template for book references though. If you could properly reference all, ahem, 24 references, I would most likely approve it. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 10:08, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

There is the {{cite book}} template. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 10:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup, that's exactly what I'm looking for. :-) Thanks, RyRy (talk) 10:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh you meanies, making me do work:) Ok I'll have a go:) Sticky Parkin 12:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

All refs fixed I think, User:Suntag has helped, the star.:) Sticky Parkin 22:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Much better. Length, date and hook verified. Congratulations! :) -- RyRy (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Not too sure about this one, I think it will probably need a thorough review. Gatoclass (talk) 06:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Had a read of the article, and I've put it up for AFD. Gatoclass (talk) 10:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that according to local tradition, on Midsummer's Eve the capstone of the Neolithic St Lythans burial chamber (pictured) in Wales spins round three times, then all the stones bathe in a nearby river? ~ Article by Daicaregos; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC). Hope the refs are strong enough to support this one. I'm formatting the refs at the moment (currently they are bare URLs).

• • ... that the Welsh name of the Neolithic St Lythans burial chamber, Gwâl y Filiast, means "the greyhound bitch's kennel", reflecting its former use as an animal shelter? ~ ALT HOOK for the above. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the area around historic Kirkcaldy may have been used as a funerary landscape as early as 2,500 B.C.? (created by Kilnburn (talk · contribs), nom by --King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 08:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• The article is mostly material spun off from the main Kirkcaldy article, and doesn't appear to have been expanded recently - certainly not five fold. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 17:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Puerto-Rican journalist Hector Feliciano's book, The Lost Museum: The Nazi Conspiracy to Steal the World's Greatest Works of Art has shed light on an estimated 20,000 works of art stolen by the Nazis during World War II? (created by Tony the Marine) --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Could there be a cite for the 20,000? It isn't footnoted in the lede, appears nowhere else in the article and I couldn't find it in any of the other cited sources. Daniel Case (talk) 02:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The 20,000 is sourced. It's in the fourth paragraph of the New York Time article, the article's main source. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Found it now. Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 23:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during the Great Depression, the New Order of Cincinnatus, accused by its opponents of "fascist" tendencies, successfully placed three candidates on the Seattle City Council? - Jmabel | Talk 17:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC) (self-nom)

Length and history verified; offline reference accepted on AGF grounds. Daniel Case (talk) 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Siniolchu photographed by Vittorio Sella

Siniolchu photographed by Vittorio Sella

• ... that Vittorio Sella’s images of mountains (example, Siniolchu, pictured) were described by fellow photographer Ansel Adams as inspiring "a definitely religious awe"? -- Self-nom, with thanks to User:Hoary for the exact quote and reference. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 17:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and history verified; offline ref accepted on good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 02:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

File:Mba.jpg

• ... that Jean-Hilaire Aubame was raised by the stepbrother of Leon M'ba (pictured), who would become Aubame's chief political rival? May not be a fivefold expansion, but pretty darn close. --I'm an Editorofthewiki^{[citation needed]} 14:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Article expanded from 3565 to 11846 characters (3.32x. 17825 is 5x) Thingg^⊕⊗ 02:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Fred Mader was acquitted of murder three days after an ex-Chicago Police Department lieutenant testified police had framed the Chicago labor leader? - new article (selfnom) Tim1965 (talk) 22:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... that in 1922, the Chicago Police Department attempted to frame the local labor leader Fred Mader of murder? --74.14.18.205 (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• I think one is framed for murder, not of. --Hordaland (talk) 09:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Correct. If you use the alt, it is "framed for murder" Article length and date verified. Hook statements are properly cited to offline sources. Thingg^⊕⊗ 01:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Ryazan miracle was an economic affair in the USSR, which contributed to the demise of Khrushchev from power? (self-nom)--Serge925 (talk) 20:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Union Army officials offered $5,000 for the scalp of Confederate Cherokee William Holland Thomas? (self-nom)--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 19:58, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and and offline reference verified here.--Captain-tucker (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that an episode of 30 Rock, "Jack the Writer", contained a reference to Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, which both revolve around the off-camera happenings on a sketch comedy series? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 08:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. -- RyRy (talk) 09:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Sunday Times art critic, Frank Rutter (1876–1937), sheltered suffragettes released from prison under the Cat and Mouse Act, sometimes helping them to flee abroad? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Ty 05:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, and reference verified.--Captain-tucker (talk) 10:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the last Confederate general to surrender, Stand Watie, did so in Oklahoma?(self-nom)--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 06:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 8

• ... that the present flag of Kelantan replaced an earlier iteration that featured Jawi scriptures stylised as an animal? - (Created and expanded by) Two hundred percent (talk) 06:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Length verified. I'd like a second opinion on the hook's referencing which currently goes to a personal Fotopages site that, at first glance, gives me a Geocities vibe. I've never seen Fotopages used as a reliable source before so another opinion would be worthwhile. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 21:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that there is a debate on the use of Breuner Marsh for housing, office space, or parkland and that it currently is home to Breuner Airfield? - created the article today.^MY♥_INchile 01:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• This article is somewhat non-neutral imho. I reworded some, but it may need some more work. Thingg^⊕⊗ 19:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Could you please elaborate? and take note that i have cited the {{facts}} and {{who?}}^MY♥_INchile 20:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Much much better. Great job. verified. Thingg^⊕⊗ 01:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Pretty lame hook if you ask me. Surely something a bit more interesting can be found? How about the fact that there's apparently a conflict between developers and conservationists? Gatoclass (talk) 05:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Longnose trevally′s (Carangoides chrysophrys, pictured) scientific name means for "golden eyebrow" even though the area above its eyes is not very yellowish? Article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom by Circeus (talk). The article is a bit bland. If anybody can extract a better hook, feel free. Circeus (talk) 23:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

"Latin specific name is Greek"? Which language? --74.13.127.161 (talk) 02:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, although scientific names are technically in Latin, many, many of them are formed on Greek roots. Circeus (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It's so confusing. Can we just say its scientific name means "golder eyebrow"... --74.14.18.205 (talk) 22:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Length and history verified; offline ref on good faith. Fixed hook per discussion. Daniel Case (talk) 02:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Where is it confirmed in the article that "the area above its eyes is not very yellowish"? I can't see such a statement. Gatoclass (talk) 05:13, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

If you read the description of the fish's coloring it states that

"The longnose trevally is generally silver in colour, with the body and head greenish blue above, becoming silvery with yellow-green reflections below." The yellow portion of the fish is therefore not near the upper part of the eye.Nrswanson (talk) 05:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think that's an unwarranted assumption. If the source does not specifically state that the fish doesn't have yellow around its eye, then we should not be presuming so in the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 05:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

See also

• User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).