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*'''Comment''' if we can [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2018#(Closed)_2018_Thousand_Oaks_Shooting close a mass-shooting nomination in 3 hours] blaming the society in which the tragedy occurred and insisting that such events are "routine", then surely we owe the same to a minor terrorist attack which killed one person [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_in_2018 in failing state which has several per day] and which has surrendered large portions of the country to a terrorist militia right? --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 23:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' if we can [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2018#(Closed)_2018_Thousand_Oaks_Shooting close a mass-shooting nomination in 3 hours] blaming the society in which the tragedy occurred and insisting that such events are "routine", then surely we owe the same to a minor terrorist attack which killed one person [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_in_2018 in failing state which has several per day] and which has surrendered large portions of the country to a terrorist militia right? --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 23:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' on quality. An "hour long shootout"? Inside? Outside? One person killed? Strip away the reactions section and there is no meaningful content here. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 23:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' on quality. An "hour long shootout"? Inside? Outside? One person killed? Strip away the reactions section and there is no meaningful content here. --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 23:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' as updater. The article isn't a stub anymore. [[User:The Donkey King|The Donkey King]] ([[User talk:The Donkey King|talk]]) 13:55, 25 November 2018 (UTC) |
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by 歳 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Landmark referendum on the legalisation of gay marriage in Taiwan R.O.C. fails to pass 歳 (talk) 09:48, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - No blurb. No pass. No significance. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:11, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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ICC Women's World Twenty20
Blurb: In cricket, Australia defeat England in the ICC Women's World Twenty20 final to lift fourth title. (Post)
News source(s): ESPNcricinfo
Credits:
- Nominated by The Donkey King (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Lugnuts (talk · give credit), Ianblair23 (talk · give credit) and Joalhe1997 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: The men's T20 tournament is ITNR. The Donkey King (talk) 12:41, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Usually the final article is linked. But that is also sparse in writing. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:12, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
RD: Ricky Jay
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Garrett Black (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American magician and actor. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 08:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
RD: Ray Hill
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chron and Houston Chronicle
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well known gay rights activist, subject of a supreme court case, article has been updated DannyS712 (talk) 01:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This article was tagged a few months ago. ―Susmuffin Talk 11:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
RD: Nicolas Roeg
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46329949
Credits:
- Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)
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KTC (talk) 14:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Referencing problems, and a line or two should be added to early life to bridge the gap from his birth to the beginning of his career. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This article has a tag. ―Susmuffin Talk 11:06, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Mary Kom
Blurb: Mary Kom becomes the most successful woman in boxing history by winning her sixth world title at the 2018 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mary Kom becomes the first woman to win six gold medals at the AIBA World Boxing Championships.
Alternative blurb II: Indian boxer Mary Kom becomes the first woman to win six gold medals at the AIBA World Boxing Championships.
News source(s): The Indian Express, The Times of India and ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I am not sure whether it is better to tag Mary Kom as the main article here or the 2018 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships. Also I am not sure if this article could be linked or not here - AIBA World Boxing Championships. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - The 2018 article is bad so would link Mary Kom as the main one. However that also has citation issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 09:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This article does not have enough inline citations. ―Susmuffin Talk 11:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
November 23
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RD: Mick McGeough
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): nhl
Credits:
- Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Recent death, has been updated DannyS712 (talk) 01:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Tagged the lead being too short. At a minimum, it should resemble a paragraph and not its current single sentence. Also, WP:NPOV concerns with a bloated controversy section compared to overall size of article.—Bagumba (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Tagged articles do not belong in In the news. ―Susmuffin Talk 11:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
RD: Bob McNair
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HC
Credits:
- Nominated by Lihaas (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Completely shattered NFL financial/valuation dynamcis with the purchase of the Texans franchise in '99. Lihaas (talk) 04:37, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs referencing (has two sections fully unsourced). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:44, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose tagged. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Tagged the lead being too short. At a minimum, it should resemble a paragraph and not its current single sentence.—Bagumba (talk) 15:49, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This article has been tagged. ―Susmuffin Talk 11:02, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Raed Fares (activist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Anass Sedrati (talk · give credit), Jwslubbock (talk · give credit) and Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Syrian radio journalist. Article was recently created. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:02, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough now. Note, I've merged Raed Fares (journalist) and Raed Fares (activist) (as they were about same person), updated the nomination to give credit to article contributors for both of the articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:31, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:42, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support I have filled in the references, and other than that it's good to go. I've marked this as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 22:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Betty Bumpers
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Arkansas Online
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well sourced and updated article --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support, fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 02:45, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support good quality article, has been updated — Preceding unsigned comment added by DannyS712 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. SpencerT•C 05:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
2018 Orakzi bombing
Blurb: A bomb blast in Kalaya, Orakzai District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan kills at least 33 people. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Tavix (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: A significant loss of life, although the article is currently still a stub -- Tavix (talk) 23:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose stub, not comprehensive, and the comment below about "routine" violence applies here too, I'm afraid. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This article barely establishes its notability. ―Susmuffin Talk 11:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. More likely to fail an AfD than pass here. wumbolo ^^^ 13:33, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
2018 Karachi Chinese consulate attack
Blurb: An attack on the Chinese consulate in Karachi, Pakistan kills four people. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Bri (talk · give credit)
- Updated by The Donkey King (talk · give credit) and Saaien (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Great significance to international and domestic Pakistan situation ☆ Bri (talk) 02:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose purely on quality; there isn't sufficient information to even assess importance yet. We may need to wait until "likely unconnected" is more certain in other sources. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:58, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - Unfortunately stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:10, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment There was a separate attack that happened at the same time in Orakzai, Pakistan, that has killed at least 25. The two attacks don't appear connected yet. [2] --Masem (t) 03:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- I realize now that 2018 Chinese consulate attack is a better developed target article, and avoids the question about whether the two events were connected. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:38, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support that article. wumbolo ^^^ 12:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment if we can close a mass-shooting nomination in 3 hours blaming the society in which the tragedy occurred and insisting that such events are "routine", then surely we owe the same to a minor terrorist attack which killed one person in failing state which has several per day and which has surrendered large portions of the country to a terrorist militia right? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. An "hour long shootout"? Inside? Outside? One person killed? Strip away the reactions section and there is no meaningful content here. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:17, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support as updater. The article isn't a stub anymore. The Donkey King (talk) 13:55, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
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(Closed) CIA/Jamal Khashoggi wiretap
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Blurb: CIA possesses record of wiretapped phone call between MBS and KBS giving the order to silence Jamal Khashoggi as soon as possible (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Oppose we did this article (a lot). If (if) this is a reality and it's released and independently verified, and if (if) there's some kind of tangible reaction, then we could (could) consider it for ITN (again). The Rambling Man (talk) 18:12, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose I believe they do, but I don't believe it will matter. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Not only for the points about, but that this is a claim from a Turkish newspaper that the CIA have that recording. Completely not appropriate for us to include, not even not at ITN. --Masem (t) 18:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Well, as the article says, WaPo already previously reported that the CIA concluded that MBS had ordered Khashoggi's assassination. And of course the CIA will make no comment on this latest "leak" from Hürriyet Daily News. The fact that the article has not yet been updated might suggest it's seen as no big surprise. Just to give some context Crown Prince "MBS" is the brother of "KBS", who is Saudi Arabia’s U.S. ambassador. But it's not clear when this phone call was made. What if MBS routinely makes calls like this, about all sorts of people he dislikes, on a daily basis? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:56, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is just a rumour and makes no material difference to the case. No article update. Also the suggested blurb is terrible Modest Genius talk 19:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - Even if this were true, what does it really mean at this point?--WaltCip (talk) 22:41, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
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(New) RD: Fahmida Riaz
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:
- Nominated by The Donkey King (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I hope this isn't stale just yet. The Donkey King (talk) 13:36, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jose Peralta
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: US politician. Article looks to be in pretty decent shape - Dumelow (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support easily good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:55, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 08:40, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Olivia Hooker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.npr.org/2018/11/22/670228544/olivia-hooker-tulsa-race-riot-survivor-dies-at-103
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Fully sourced MurielMary (talk) 11:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support Poked around and everything looks good. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:00, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support Comprehensive, well referenced. JennyOz (talk) 15:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support satis, good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
RD: Igor Korobov
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Axxxion (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Russian military intelligence chief. Short article but referenced. May need to be expanded. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:41, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support full blurb He's probably not very well-known in the west but this is a huge deal, the leader of the foreign intelligence agency of a global superpower. Imagine the reaction if Gina Haspel died tomorrow.64.92.14.4 (talk) 15:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Death after a long illness? And a short article to boot. RD is fine. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Global superpower? Russia is a rapidly decaying great power at best, and it's certainly not a global one. Openlydialectic (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose The article's inline citations are longer than its content. ―Susmuffin Talk 23:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Angelica Cob-Baehler
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well sourced and updated article --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Opposea fair use image approximately one day after she died? Seriously? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: That wasn't there when I fixed up the article. I removed it under possible copy-vio. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:02, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support Referencing looks good. It's a bit on the short side, but passable. Challenger l (talk) 15:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support ready for RD. -Zanhe (talk) 06:57, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment this has been ready for almost 15 hours. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: Cob-Bauhler should be listed before Peralta. They died on the same day. Latest posted goes first if they died on same day.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:30, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Coffeeandcrumbs Fixed. Thanks for the catch. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:37, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: Cob-Bauhler should be listed before Peralta. They died on the same day. Latest posted goes first if they died on same day.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:30, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
Kim Jong Yang election as Interpol president
Blurb: Interpol has elected South Korean Kim Jong-yang as its president (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kim Jong Yang is elected president of Interpol
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Crotopaxi (talk · give credit), Chulwoo26 (talk · give credit) and RaphaelQS (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article is a stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:42, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support if the Kim Jong Yang article can be bought up to scratch. Interpol is a significant enough organisation that its presidential elections are notable. A note on blurb, while the BBC go for "Kim Jong-yang", CNN goes for "Kim Jong Yang". The name is unhyphenated on Interpol's website. [3] --LukeSurl t c 09:54, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose both on quality (it's a stub) and notability (while an "international organisation" it's a tiny one...) The Rambling Man (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose agree with TRM; there's a certain metonymy that happens with Interpol being attributed the actions of its member agencies - e.g. MI5 investigates... the FBI executes... Interpol didn't really do much. ghost 13:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support on notability, once the Kim Jong Yang article is properly updated. An important development, particularly given the unusual circumstances surrounding the departure of the previous Interpol President, Meng Hongwei and the fact that he was widely expected to be succeeded by Russia's candidate, general Alexander Prokopchuk[4]. Nsk92 (talk) 13:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per TRM – and because it's getting an ephemeral blast of publicity mainly as a political defeat for the Russian candidate, Alexander Prokopchuk, and by implication for his ultimate boss, Putin. Little practical impact. Sca (talk) 14:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per Sca. Interpol is an administrative body that serves as a liaison between international police agencies. It has no real law enforcement power.--WaltCip (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Historical footnote: During WWII, presidents of Interpol included such sterling characters as Heydrich and Kaltenbrunner. – Sca (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support on notability. Interpol is clearly significant enough for ITN. Davey2116 (talk) 18:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Clearly has become one of the most over-used words in the English language. Sca (talk) 18:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose not convinced this is sufficiently notable. The organization isn't that big (756 employees in 2013) and the position is largely ceremonial. That this made the news this time is because of the political dimension, which isn't insignificant, but doesn't seem enough to override the afore-mentioned problems. Banedon (talk) 22:41, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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(Closed) RD: James H. Billington
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/21/obituaries/james-billington-dead.html
Credits:
- Nominated by Gamaliel (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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- Oppose too much of it is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- It's got 42 references and is assessed as B-class. Let's not let perfect be the enemy of good here. Gamaliel (talk) 20:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't care if it had 420 references, and the class assessment is meaningless: it's a BLP with paragraphs of unreferenced claims. You must know we simply won't post something in this state. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- If you want to personally dismiss the project-wide quality assessment scale, be my guest, but don't expect others to adopt your personal idiosyncrasies. Gamaliel (talk) 20:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Sure I definitely want to dismiss anything below GA as it can be added by anyone without any kind of evidence. But that's a red herring. This is a BLP violation, I'm a little shocked you didn't know that. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- A BLP violation? Let's keep this in some kind of perspective. I've added some citations and there are no paragraphs of text without at least one citation now. Gamaliel (talk) 21:01, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- My perspective was spot on, it was yours which was shockingly off-base. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:55, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
- That's a lot of big words to say "I know you are but what am I". Gamaliel (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- No, that’s not “big words”, that’s just a basic reminder of BLP. If you don’t get it, that’s on you, and shocking as you are an admin. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:34, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. Large amount of unreferenced stuff in this one - whole sections completely without inline citations. Should it be bothering me that some of the references are themselves from the LoC itself's own website? I seem to remember something about primary sources... Challenger l (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- The only sections without inline citations are the lists of citations to his works. Are you saying the citations need to be cited themselves? Gamaliel (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Nikola Gruevski asylum case
Blurb: Former Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski is granted asylum in Hungary. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by EternalNomad (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I think the granting of asylum of a former head of government is notable enough to warrant an inclusion. Article need a few more citations but other than that looks good to go. EternalNomad (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Banedon (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Article needs citations and additional c/e before I can say Support.BabbaQ (talk) 23:23, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose article completely unsuitable for main page inclusion. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) Africa's First High-Speed Train
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Blurb: Africa's first high-speed rail line was inaugurated by King Mohammed VI of Morocco (Post)
Alternative blurb: Africa's first high-speed rail line was inaugurated by King Mohammed VI of Morocco.
News source(s): (CNN) (REUTERS) (AllAfrica)
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- Nominated by Monopoly31121993(2) (talk · give credit)
- Rather nice story. Support. --Tone 15:10, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- I want to support this (broadly that the topic is the type of ITN interest) but have questions exactly why this date: Nov 16 seems to be the date the line was inaugurated, and I can't tell if they have actually opened the line for passengers (not testing). Further, the article needs a bunch of tense adjustments since the construction is now all in the past. --Masem (t) 15:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Oppose Article is not updated sufficiently. Kenitra–Tangier high-speed rail line contains no information since December 2010 in the body of the article. The lead contains a bare sentence that just says it was completed in 2018. Needs some expansion work on the building and opening of the line in order to be main page ready. Presumably, the news sources reported about the opening itself, ceremonies, the first train leaving, etc. etc. Find those sources, expand the article, and then we can post this on the main page. --Jayron32 15:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)- Change to full support without reservations. Great job on the article improvements. There is no problem with this appearing on the main page now.--Jayron32 04:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Oppose– Per Jayron. Article is far too thin for such a major undertaking. "The project was completed in 2018" – This sentence, offered twice, doesn't constitute a sufficient update. Sca (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2018 (UTC)- Oppose on quality - "construction underway"... on the first segment... "It was completed in 2018". The blurb isn't even in the article! I can't update sources with a smart phone, but the 3 refs above can add plenty of updates, along with a tense change as needed. - Floydian τ ¢ 18:19, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Weak support per Tone but I feel like this is the wrong date also (and it should be 15 November, per the article). Banedon (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Response - I've updated the article. The lead should be a lot clearer. I also added a list of stations, clarified the scope of the project, services offered and projected, costs and international partners.Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Also agree that alt blurb is better.Monopoly31121993(2) (talk) 23:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- According to this source, the ceremonial opening was all that took place, and regular service has not begun, but is scheduled to before the end of the year. It would probably make more sense to wait until then to post it, with hopefully a better article, especially because the ceremony having taken place on the 15th makes it older than the current oldest story on the main page. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 01:21, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- But when that happens it will be argued that it should have been posted now, and/or that it's no longer in the news, or basically stale, etc.Tlhslobus (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- That may be true, although I doubt it, since opposition is mainly based on article quality. But I don't think the article is even eligible to be posted at this point since events are posted chronologically and there is no longer room for it on the template, so any discussion at this point is pretty much moot. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 03:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- But when that happens it will be argued that it should have been posted now, and/or that it's no longer in the news, or basically stale, etc.Tlhslobus (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Weak support on notability (I leave quality to be judged by others). It would be stronger support if it were in Sub-Saharan Africa (but north of South Africa) rather than in Morocco, which is next door to the EU and thus not truly representative of most of Africa (but on the other hand, that's arguably how development often works, slowly spreading out from near the more developed regions). Maybe it's also a bit notable that Africa now has a more advanced railway than anything in the former United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, where railways began, tho probably also a bit irrelevant as I expect it would be unencyclopedic for our article to say so. Tlhslobus (talk) 03:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - I have rewritten the article, and I don't believe quality is a concern anymore. The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 03:51, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support. The article has been improved. –Ammarpad (talk) 09:29, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, Morocco. Weak support; article relies almost entirely on a single publication's articles. wumbolo ^^^ 13:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment – Withdrew my oppose as the article is indeed improved, though still on the short side. However, I'm not sure about the project's general significance, so I'm not supporting. Sca (talk) 14:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article looks sufficient now. I think this is indeed notable. Davey2116 (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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(Closed) First ship commissioned for the Kenyan Coast Guard
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Blurb: The first ship of the Kenya Coast Guard Service is commissioned (Post)
News source(s): (Kenya Standard) (BBC)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Comment article needs expansion and a copyedit --LaserLegs (talk) 12:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose this feels like just one arm of the Kenyan government. Just like we don't post the creation of ___ ministry in ___ country, this shouldn't be appropriate either. Banedon (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - better suited to DYK in my opinion. Ultimately this will just represent a part of one country's defence forces. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:54, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability, definitely could make DYK if it gets nominated quickly enough... The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Withdrawn Thanks for the feedback all. I've expanded it a bit and stuck it into DYK - Dumelow (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Larry Pickering
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Controversial Australian cartoonist. Article is fully referenced - Dumelow (talk) 10:23, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 11:08, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gerry O'Malley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Province
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- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is short, but well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:15, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support - indeed, good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tone (talk • contribs)
(Closed) RD: Alí Rodríguez Araque
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
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- Nominated by Jamez42 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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- Oppose referencing issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This article has been tagged for citation issues. ―Susmuffin Talk 02:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Article quality is unlikely to be improved in time. Alex Shih (talk) 09:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Peter Peryer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: New Zealand photographer. Article perhaps needs a little attention but I think it's good enough to post - Dumelow (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:21, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 13:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Héctor Beltrán Leyva
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Mexican drug lord. Article in reasonably good shape - Dumelow (talk) 10:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 13:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series
Blurb: In auto racing, Joey Logano wins the 2018 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In auto racing, Joey Logano wins the NASCAR Cup Series championship.
Alternative blurb II: In stock car racing, Joey Logano wins the NASCAR Cup Series.
News source(s): Motor Racing Network, USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Dough4872 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by WWEFan1926 (talk · give credit) and A.lanzetta (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Dough4872 00:55, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Can we drop the "Monster Energy" part in the blurb? eg "2018 NASCAR Cup Series" will still be completely recognizable. --Masem (t) 01:00, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- The series is formally called the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series, but I don't really have an objection from dropping the sponsor name. Dough4872 01:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- I know its formally called that title, but given that the sponsorship of the event has changed, but otherwise is the "NASCAR Cup Series", I'd rather see us drop the forced commercial if we can. --Masem (t) 01:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- I agree the sponsor should not be mentioned in the blurb. Is it normal to even put sponsors in the article title? One mention in the lead should be sufficient. For example, our articles are at IndyCar Series (not Verizon IndyCar Series), The Oval (not Kia Oval) etc. Modest Genius talk 11:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article is in fine shape, prose summaries of races are sufficient, everything is well referenced. Prefer Altblurb for the same reasons noted above. The year is obvious (cuz we're in that year) and the sponsorship is ephemeral and inconsequential. This is the NASCAR Cup championship, and any additional text is unneeded here. --Jayron32 03:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Almost ready. The race reports look good, but the 'changes' section is largely unreferenced, as are several of the tables. Modest Genius talk 11:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Added another altblurb, which specifies the type of racing and avoids WP:COMMONALITY problems. Modest Genius talk 12:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose that pesky orange tag needs to be addressed before this can go to the main page. Generally looks okay though. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:18, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- I have added additional sources to the article. Dough4872 19:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Nice work! Wow. Need a few more in the manufacturers section before it's good to go. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:28, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Added additional sources to the manufacturers section. Dough4872 22:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jennie Stoller
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/nov/18/jennie-stoller-obituary
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 09:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Support satisfactory. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 13:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
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