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Hi Liz, I hope you are well.

I am an employee at E.ON Next, the gas and electricity company based in the U.K. We are looking to create our own Wikipedia page, as we currently don't have one to direct our customers too. The most we have is a subsection on E.ON UK's page, as they are our parent business. I can see that in March 2022, you created a draft article for E.ON Next, but it appears to have been abandoned. May I ask what stage you were at with this content? Would it be better for you to delete the article so we can create a new one from scratch? Please let me know what you would best advise. Many thanks, Maria. Maria Savage (talk) 10:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

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Jason Perlow

Hi Liz, could you restore Jason Perlow to draft? The article was recently deleted but I think there is enough sourcing out there to demonstrate GNG is met. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley,

The AFD which resulted in deletion of this article just closed today. I'd advise you to approach Explicit and request his help. I don't want to step on anyone's toes. Is that okay? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Good idea. I just left him a message. Best, Thriley (talk) 01:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Pamo

Hi Liz. This newly created article is a copyvio cut and paste from a blog site. Twinkle won’t let me tag it for G12 as the source site is on the spam blacklist and it blocks the link, so it may need an admin’s attention. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 05:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

also Mugbamugba War Mccapra (talk) 05:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

no worries someone else has dealt with it. Mccapra (talk) 08:37, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mccapra,

Oh, okay. Well, then, I guess it's taken care of. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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AFD John Dunlop (chess player)

Hi Liz. You recently closed the AFD discussion for John Dunlop (chess player) one day after it was relisted to generate a more thorough discussion. I would suggest that 24 hours is not long enough to generate a more thorough discussion, and would ask that you reconsider the closure. I have located contemporary sources that would allow an expansion of the article, e.g. this item from the New Zealand Herald of 6 January 1921. Paora (talk) 00:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Paora,

I'm open to your suggestion if you can state that you will participate in this AFD if it is reopened. As it was, if it wasn't me, another admin would have closed it similarly at the state it was at. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz. Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, I will participate in the AFD if it is reopened. Paora (talk) 01:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Paora,

Okay, so I reverted my closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Dunlop (chess player) and restored the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Use of NPOV

Hello,

I noticed that you left a npov template on Gangs in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department without any explanation, even though one is recommended per the templates page. Could you provide examples or reasons as to what made you decide to append this template to said page? I personally didn't think the page is biased but I may be blind to what you see. Thanks! Fluffy89502 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC) Fluffy89502 (talk) 00:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Requesting urgent assist on WP:ANI

Hey there Liz. Could you help take a look on this issue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but said IP address appears to be showing chronic and persistent behaviour, from repeatedly making edits with no ES to avoiding any sort of discussion on their talk page. Appreciate your help on this. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Said IP address has even made a rather aggresive reply too in ANI. hundenvonPG (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Jack Lindsay - Add parentheses/disambiguator

Hi Liz,

You undid an edit I made, comment: "Unnecessary page move".

Could you help me understand what makes a page move necessary?

R. Ryan2602 (talk) 00:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Nawwaf Hannan - Deleted Page "Ariful Hannan" due to unamibgious content

Hi Liz,

You deleted an article I recently wrote on this individual, and I was wondering if it is possible to rewrite the article with a more neutral tone and less specificity, mainting neutrality and consicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nawwaf.hannan (talk • contribs) 03:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nawwaf.hannan,

I assume you are talking about Draft:Ariful Hannan. We generally don't restore content that is judged to be promotional. But if you go into your Preferences to your account and enable email access, I'd be willing to email a copy of the content. Then you could use content, off-Wikipedia, and try to write a new draft that isn't so promotional. I recommend you work on it in your User space, like a User sandbox. Then you can submit it to Articles for Creation for review. Let me know when you have email enabled and I'll send it to you. If you are being compensated for your work, please review Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure and follow the guidelines presented in the policy page. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Page Deletion - Adam Jamal Craig

Dear Liz,

I hope this message finds you well. I recently learned that the Wikipedia page detailing my acting career (Adam Jamal Craig) was deleted under the belief that my contributions are insignificant. This decision also led to the removal of my name from my college's list of notable alumni and omitted references to my involvement in culturally significant works, including television series such as 'The Office' and 'NCIS: LA', among others.

As an actor and business owner actively working and living in Los Angeles, I respectfully request a reconsideration of these changes. The landscape of art and media is evolving, and my contributions, albeit not always captured through traditional formats, are part of this continuous change. Please, I ask for your support in undoing the deletions, allowing my career's ongoing story and contributions to be recognized and shared. Thank you for considering my request, and I look forward to any possibility of dialogue on this matter.

I am new to communicating in this wiki-based format so please forgive me if I have responded in some improper way. Edit -> Not sure how the "Books & Bytes" section appeared above. Again, sorry. I'm new at this.

Warm regards,

Adam Jamal Craig

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Adam Jamal Craig (talk) 01:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam Jamal Craig (talk • contribs)

@Liz to save you looking -- the article was Adam Jamal Craig, PRODded by @Primefac. No comment on merit as I've not reviewed Star Mississippi 01:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Adam,

You are fortunate. Wikipedia has 3 forms of deletion, Speedy Deletion, Proposed Deletion and AFD Deletion Discussions. Restoring an article can range from being simple to being close-to-impossible. The article you are concerned about was a Proposed Deletion (or PROD) and that can be restored upon request, which I have done. However, the article still might be nominated for a deletion discussion or AFD because the article right now is very weak and has poor sourcing. You or your representation should not edit the article as you have a conflict-of-interest. But it really needs some valid references to establish your notability. This is typically done through independent, secondary sources from mainsteam newspapers, journals, books, websites, etc. that provide significant coverage of you and your career. Do you have a website where you list media coverage? That would make the process easier.

Two more things. If you have questions about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, you are encouraged to bring them to the Teahouse. There experienced editors can address your questions and concerns about the project's complicated processes. And, second, you are commended for not being angry about this article deletion or taking it personally. It can be very difficult to demonstrate notability as Wikipedia defines it (see WP:NACTOR) and every day, hundreds of articles and drafts are deleted. Again, you shouldn't edit the article but you are welcome to share any sources on the article talk page and, hopefully, an editor can added them into the article. What we don't want to see is blatant advertising or promotion which can result in another deletion that is much less likely to be restored. Let me know if you have any questions or you can take them to the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for the link, Star Mississippi. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:ALASH online

Hi Liz! Hope you've had a good day. Would you reconsider this since the creator has now been CU blocked? If not, totally understand and happy to take it to MfD. Thanks either way cc @DoubleGrazing Star Mississippi 01:43, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

 Done I'm kind of a stickler for verifying CSD G5 as many overeager editors will tag articles for deletion when they simply file an SPI case. I just want to see a) that the page creator is a confirmed sockpuppet and b) that the block-evading editor is identified. In some cases, Checkusers do not identify the block evading account and I turn those requests down. I know other admins aren't so strict about G5s but when I first became an admin, I was less rigorous about the CSD criteria and got rightly chastized for that. I don't know about you but I always remember the times when my admin decisions are critiqued by senior admins when I first got the mop. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

No worries. It all makes sense. Thankfully there is progress being made with the SPI backlog which will make all of our lives easier.

I totally understand your decision, and hope it didn't come across as not. Just wanted to save us seven days of MfD if the info was now resolved to your satisfaction but didn't want to re-tag over your decline. Unfortunately I think we'll be seeing more of this draft.. Have a good evening and you're totally welcome re: link above. No treasure hunts needed. Star Mississippi 02:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

At least "overeager" is not the worst thing I've been called. Ho hum. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, DoubleGrazing, I wasn't referring to you, not at all. It's a comment coming from 10 years editing on the project, not about any editor specifically. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

"Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 6 § Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 03:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Quick help request

Hi - I hope you don't mind my contacting you; I'm doing so simply becaause you came up top on the 'recently active admins' list. There's an article Pumi dog that is blanked out because of an alleged copyvio, which concerns a single sentence where the wording followed that of the American Kennel Club breed standard. Unfortunately the reporting editor has placed the flag at the top of the article, rather than in the relevant section, thus removing the entire article from view. I've followed procedure and posted an amended version of the article, which deals with the matter, at Talk:Pumi dog/Temp, and I hope it's just a question of an admin copying this back to the main page and removing the flag? But this has been pending now for five days, and with the world's biggest dog show starting tomorrow, this is a period when dog breed pages always get more views. Could you or one of your colleagues kindly drop by here and take a look, please? Thanks in anticipation.... MapReader (talk) 08:05, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello MapReader (talk) 06:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MapReader,

I apologize for the delay in responding to your query. It looks like an involved discussion has been occurring at Talk:Pumi dog#Regarding removal of content.. To be honest, the only times I deal with issues of copyright violations is when there is a blatant copyright violation in an article that has been tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G12. I recommend you go to MER-C, an admin who regularly handles copyright issues. They have already commented on Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2024 March 2. MER-C has experience on this subject that I do not possess and I think they would be a better judge of what is possible. Since this has been brought to an investigation page, I can't just revert the actions of the other editor as an inquiry is currently in process. There is also an issue of content attribution and I'm not sure it's appropriate to just use your new version over the existing, problematic version. MER-C would be a better judge on this proposal.

I'm really not blowing you off, I'm sending you to someone who could possible offer you the help you are requesting. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:00, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Bombing squadrons of the United States Navy

Dear Liz, I have noticed you do consistently wonderful work on categories, but you have just rolled back my edit at VB-4 and I wonder if there may be some mistake. If you review Chapter 1 at the linked page - https://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/naval-aviation-history/dictionary-of-american-naval-aviation-squadrons-volume-1.html, you will find that at the height of the Pacific War in World War II, U.S. Navy aircraft carriers were operating a number of Bombing Squadrons, the most famous being the ones that fought at Midway and Coral Sea. All of these squadrons were redesignated several times over, and many now have articles within Category:Strike fighter squadrons of the United States Navy under their later VFA designations. But to link them properly when they fought the Japanese, a new category will be necessary - this category which I have created. I believe it will easily surpass 20 entries. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:42, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Buckshot06,

If you disagree with my edit, just revert it. I just saw a category that only contained a redirect and redirect categories are rather optional. But if I acted incorrectly, just undo what I did. I'm not a subject matter expert here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Please specify deletion reason

Talk:Xianfeng Gu Article Talk Read Edit Add topic View history Tools From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Why is Xianfeng Gu the only missing page for Morningside Gold Medalist? What are the criteria for creating Xianfeng Gu (born Nov 2, 1970) page in Wikipedia? Chinese Wikipedia page for Xianfeng Gu presently contains contents that deviate from the original contributor's intention but "somehow was inserted" by a group of seemingly more than 10 (a "Japanese" wiki bot, somehow, too) zh-wiki users (that are changing and on average use more than 4 simplified zh accounts with Japanese "real" person names, with targeted interest in HK, TW, Dalian, graphics, computational chemistry/topology) including a user ID Shizhao publicly demonstrating (DBLP/Google Scholar) academic tie to Microsoft (Xianfeng Gu's student Wei Zeng) possessing publications in CVPR (Xianfeng Gu a many-time program committee member, general chair, reviewer for CVPR). Competitive (Chinese Olympiad) chemistry base is in Jilin University (guided by Yanbo Sun with serious connection to Dalian University of Technology where Xianfeng Gu works heavily with a high-rank Secretary Na Lei Professor connected to Yanbo Sun as of 2023 which has been and is of course open information to chemical Olympiad competitors) Already in wikidata. Harvard CS PhD 2003 (Gortler & Yau) Harvard CS Master 1996-1997 (Mumford) graduate fellowship Tsinghua TCS 1994 (1989-) undergraduate fellowship 216.165.211.223 (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: The above is a WP:CIR issue and logged-out editing. See Sadaijin, 45.58.95.7 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), and 216.165.211.223 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). They have made bizarre edits like this and this. — MarkH₂₁^talk 11:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, MarkH21, I think there is a question in here somewhere amongst the gibberish and conspiracy theories. But it's hard to discern what they want. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Badun page deletion

Hello Liz

This is in regard to the page deletion for the danish music group Badun, which I would like to dispute.

Badun is most certainly a very notable danish music group. They have existed for 20+ years and released 10+ albums, which are available in both physical and digital format:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/247091-Badun

They have been well covered and reviewed in the media and played several hundred concerts around the world, and they have collaborated with and inspired many artists.

A quick search on google for 'Badun' yields a first page almost exclusively with results about the band, which should validate its existence and wide notoriety:

https://www.google.com/search?q=badun&rlz=1C5CHFA_enDK1044DK1050&oq=badun&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAECMYJxiABBiKBTIMCAAQIxgnGIAEGIoFMgwIARAuGEMYgAQYigUyBggCECMYJzIMCAMQABhDGIAEGIoFMg0IBBAuGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAuGK8BGMcBGIAEMgcIBhAuGIAEMg4IBxAuGAoYQxiABBiKBTISCAgQABhDGIMBGLEDGIAEGIoFMgwICRAuGEMYgAQYigXSAQgxMDc3ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Sincerely Janus Janusnovak (talk) 14:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Janusnovak,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your query. Badun was deleted through a Proposed deletion so it can be restored upon request. I can either do this or you can make a request at WP:REFUND and the admins there will handle it. Please know that the article can still be nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion but this would give you time to improve the article and participate in a discussion and put forward your argument. Just let me know what you would like to do. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

If you could make the request to restore it for me, that would be wonderful, thank you. :) 83.89.251.164 (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

If you could make the request to restore it for me, that would be wonderful, thank you. :) Janusnovak (talk) 14:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

Did you request for the Badun article to be restored? I don't see that it has come back up... Janusnovak (talk) 09:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Liz

Maybe you didn't see my replies, since I didn't mention you like I do now. So I would still like you to restore the Badun article if you would? Then I will add reliable sources to it. :)

Sincerely,

Janus Janusnovak (talk) 09:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Bundled / Not bundled AFD

As the closing admin, could you have a look at Women's Bangladesh Premier League? Thanks. -- Whpq (talk) 00:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Whpq,

There was a problem as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2025 Women's Bangladesh Premier League wasn't set up appropriately as a bundled nomination, the other article was just thrown into the deletion nomination. So, XFDcloser didn't delete it when the discussion was closed. But an editor later tagged Women's Bangladesh Premier League for speedy deletion and since the editors participating in the AFD were in favor of deleting both articles, I went ahead with that deletion.

I wasn't 100% comfortable to handling it this way but it's fairly common that AFD nominators don't set up bundled nominations appropriately (more the rule than the exception) and the consensus did seem to favor deletion. There is already a draft at Draft:Women's Bangladesh Premier League that was created before the AFD closed so perhaps an improved version will eventually be approved. I hope this addresses your concern. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I would have deleted it, but it was not clear from your close that you considered it was a valid bundled nomination so I decided to post a note here. Thanks. -- Whpq (talk) 03:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Damage done by User:Fhektii

Hello Liz, hopefully you are doing good. Although, usually questions are asked on the Teahouse, however, since you are familiar with the case, I thought I should ask you. Hopefully you won't mind.

This was my first time, as you might have noticed, so initially I was just going around. I saw the edit history of the User:Fhektii, I saw the deletion discussions, for crafting my own comment. In the process what I discovered was that there were few very old accounts that were commenting for deletion, however, to the best of my knowledge, it seemed that they were ignoring WP:GNG and WP:GNP. I don't want to assume anything bad about any one, maybe I have missed something or misunderstood, if you could find the time and look into it. I will be truly grateful. Thank you. (talk) 00:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, talk,

Could you specify which AFD(s) you are concerned about? Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:29, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I am concerned about a senior editor. User:Oaktree b.

S/he/they commented for delete, on almost half of the User:Fhektii nominated for deletion. On the pages Sharon Tay and Jennifer Gilbert specifically, are not making sense to me. Not assuming bad about him, maybe I have misunderstood. Thanks. Ms.Aloisia (talk) 00:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Double Wall Socket

Bloody old man said: Oooooooooo.... no wonder, no lights!

Te bloody old man Lem-Lem switch got no pilot light one!

Te Lem-Lem switch bought from Hinomoto electrical shop one! 60.50.30.58 (talk) 14:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Leila Feinstein

Hello, it appears you may have mistakenly soft deleted the page Leila Feinstein. I don't think it was eligible, as it had previously been nominated in the Fidel Vargas batch. Unless there's some kind of misunderstanding on my part. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AllTheUsernamesAreInUse,

Yes, you are absolutely correct. I didn't catch that. I will revert my actions. Thanks for your sharp eye. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Beck Bottom AfD close

Hallo Liz, thanks for closing the AfD, but why "Merge", rather than "Redirect"? There is no content not included in Lowick, Cumbria other than the coordinates and an image. PamD 06:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, ignore that: I now see it didn't previously have a mention, so its existence needed to be merged! PamD 06:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, PamD,

I'm glad you found your answer. In the discussion comments, at least one editor proposed a Merge and while editors can recover content when an artice is transformed into a Redirect, it's easier if you close a discussion as Merge. Plus, after any usable content is removed, the page then does become a Redirect which is the result you seem to have wanted. I think I'm a very neutral closer but I do favor an ATD if one is proposed, if only to repurpose content from weak and unwanted articles to other articles where it might provide some value. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024)

Hi Liz, Thankyou for closing the AfD on this and reverting the article per AfD.

However, I believe the AfD called for more than a simple content reversion within the page. The article was renamed by User:Tedgrant1917 ([[1]]), and the article requires moving back to the title Socialist Appeal (Britain), since the article is about Socialist Appeal. Unfortunately because it is still at the title Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024), editors have continued attempting to rewrite the article about RCP, which is non-notable (and doesn't even exist at this point). I am unable to complete this move as Socialist Appeal (Britain) has multiple revisions and therefore a normal editor cannot complete the move.

I may have caused confusion here by stating "Keep, Sort of" in that I was advocating to keep the edit history, more than the title. The content needed reverting, but so did the title.

Per the AfD, would you be able to :

• Revert Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024) back to [edit] on March 7th.
• Move Revolutionary Communist Party (UK, 2024) to Socialist Appeal (Britain)

In either case, it's clearly inappropriate for the article about Socialist Appeal to be under the title RCP, and people will continue to try and replace the logo and change the article contents if it's under that title. TedGrant has caused a right cluster-fudge by usurping/rebranding the original article instead of just creating a new one (which would have failed NPP).

Thanks Hemmers (talk) 09:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hemmers,

While I could do what you ask, I hesitate to take on more action than came out of the consensus for this AFD. When a closer goes beyond the community consensus, it's called a supervote and the closer can be taken to AN/ANI when they do this which I'd like to avoid.

I'd recommend you taking this request to Wikipedia:Requested moves and asking the editors/admins there to consider your request. They are experts at evaluating move proposals and dealing with existing page histories and I'd trust them to know what they are doing. The page moves I do are rather simple affairs and this is more complicated. I'd also be interested in hearing their assessment of your plan.

I don't mean to discourage you, this might not be a big deal, I just think that the editors who patrol RM would be better to assess this than I am. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

Thankyou for the considered response. However, I'm a little confused because the consensus clearly went further than just "revert the content". All bar one of the "Keep" votes was actually "Keep as per Hemmers" or "Keep and restore as per Hemmers". So the restoration of the page title as described in my proposal does seem to be the consensus of the AfD. What's been done so far - reverting the content - is somewhat "half a job". I can take it to RM if you prefer, but from my understanding of the discussion, the following was the accepted consensus:

Keep Sort of. But revert to 17 December 2023, when it was actually a moderately well-sourced article about a long-standing publication/movement (the Socialist Appeal) (done). Then merge the latest edit of Socialist Appeal (Britain) back on top of it and delete that article (not done). Then move the entire stack (with edit history) back to Socialist Appeal (Britain) where it belongs (not done). I'm at an absolute loss as to what the blazing nonsense has gone on with this article. They've moved a long-standing article, blanked it and rebranded it, and then someone's copied the old content into a new article using the old name!?! A quick hunt back through the History shows it is notable - they've just removed all the references to the former name, instead of creating a new article for the new name/body (which likely wouldn't pass NPP). Failing all that, Delete, it's just a shame to lose the edit history for Socialist Appeal (Britain), which is currently underneath this article. Hemmers (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hemmers (talk) 08:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Volvexzshawa

I want to request a review on article on Artist Volvexzshawa the reason for it's deletion was because it lacked enough reference and required more time to be updated with reliable sources of reverence and with my research I do believe the artist is a Notable person and a pioneer in the Kenyan Hiphop Music cited sources across Nigeria National Newspapers and Kenya National Newspapers and Television notability Teresia Akinyi Achilo (talk) 15:45, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Teresia Akinyi Achilo,

You are talking about Volvexzshawa, right? It helps to provide a link to the article you are concerned about. To appeal the closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Volvexzshawa, you would need to go to Wikipedia:Deletion review file a request there. Please review the instructions and follow them.

DRV is for if you think I didn't close the discussion appropriately, so it's about my closure, not about the value of this article. The only way I know to overcome a "Delete" AFD decision is to write a new draft, addressing the problems coming up in the AFD, and submitting it to Articles for Creation for review. If you move a new version directly into main space, it will likely be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4 which is what happened the last time it was deleted.

If you have general questions about article creation and Wikipedia's deletion processes, I encourage you to bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of Dell monitors

Hello, I just noticed and was quite surprised that the article mentioned in the title got deleted. I used that page multiple times in the past as reference, and I was not the only one. I personally do not agree with the deletion, and I'd like to elaborate why that is.

The most often mentioned reason in the discussion is WP:NOTCATALOG. I have looked into said ruleset. It is not a simple listing because it explains what the different numbers in the model number mean, and shows a comparison between model years of different series of models. They are not loosely associated, what is listed is exactly defined in the title. The points 3. through 6. are pretty obviously not involved with this.

It's also not a "brochure-style advertisement", listing of (industry standard) specifications is not an advertisement and the text sections are written as neutral as possible.

"Largely unreferenced, and most of the references provided are primary sources from Dell's support site." I don't see how it would have to be done differently for a page that contains lists of technical products. It's like that for other list pages for technical devices as well. Also, there's pretty much no better source for the specifications of a product than its manufacturer, because if they lied, they'd be liable.

As for the notability of said products, Dell has consistently been the largest manufacturer of monitors for the past decade. Coming back to the example of Samsung, it would be like claiming a list of Samsung Galaxy devices is not notable despite them being the largest manufacturer of smartphones for years. And that's also why there are lists for the Galaxy Z, S, A, M, F, XCover, Note, J and Y series.

I'm not in favor of keeping pages just for the sake of it. This page has been legitimately useful for people, including me and those mentioned, and I don't think it's only the three of us using this page for a reference, especially because it goes back so far, which is information hard to come by nowadays. Punkt64 (talk) 20:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

What I would like to address in further detail is the argument of lack of sources. There are many reviews of individual models (often but not only of the higher end Ultrasharp series) on the internet and youtube. Those could be added in a section for reception for example, here are some

https://uk.pcmag.com/monitors/140669/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-usb-c-hub-monitor-u2723qe

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-4k-monitors/

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/dell-ultrasharp-38-curved-usb-c-hub-monitor-review/

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/dell

Their monitor series also includes some products that are rather unique in the market, for example some models with 8K resolution, reviewed many times including popular YouTube channel Marques Brownlee.

And to clarify, someone in the deletion discussion mentioned that the article does not show why this is just another monitor manufacturer. That's why I referenced and said that Dell has been the single biggest manufacturer of monitors for the past decade. That link and statement could also be included in the article to show the relevance. Punkt64 (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Punkt64,

I actually have no opinion about this article. I closed the deletion discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dell monitors and the opinion was unanimous for Deletion. Please read over the arguments in the AFD to see why the participating editors believed the article should be deleted. If you do not think I read the consensus correctly, then you may appeal the closure at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Ordinarily, I normally make an offer to restore the article to Draft space so that it can be improved but the very nature of this article, which was basically a product catalog, is unlikely to be changed by editing. Additionally, the article was full of templates about Dell products and those templates have since been deleted.

If you want an article on this subject, I think your best route is to start over by writing a draft article in your User space, like your Sandbox, or in Draft space. That, and deletion review, are the two options I see as the consensus was clear and I can not revert the closure based on any arguments you make here. I'm sorry but my role is to interpret the consensus in a discussion, not advocate for articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Well if you say the article in its current form will not be accepted by editing then what use is a Deletion review? I don't know the exact procedures of english wikipedia, I'm usually editing in german wikipedia.

As I do not have the energy or time right now to write a completely new article, a relatively large one at that, I'd like to recreate it in my space for personal use. The missing template is a problem. Is there any way to get this into the user space and then use it? It is not saved in the wayback machine. I know of no way to get it back without rewriting it myself. Punkt64 (talk) 21:08, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Or better yet, you said you could restore it to draft space. Is it possible for you to restore it to my user draft space, together with the template? That would be very nice and useful. As I said not necessarily for publishing at the moment but for personal use. I have tried it myself but that was from a wayback save from 6th May of 2023, so probably not the most current version. And it also lacked the template which makes half of the article unreadable. Punkt64 (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Punkt64, I'd be willing to restore it to your User space so you could view it. I'm not sure about restoring all of the templates. Just know that if you move it back into main space, it will be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4 as an article previously deleted in an AFD deletion discussion. The only way I know to overcome an AFD Delete decision is to write a draft and submit it to AFC. I understand that the English Wikipedia does have a truckload of policies and guidelines that are especially confusing to new or infrequent editors. I'll look into that restoration later tonight. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

G4 in draft space

Hi Liz, you've a couple of times (most recently just now, at Draft:Ricky Guillart) declined my G4 request on the basis that G4 doesn't apply in the draft space. Could you please point me to where it says that, so I can understand the rules better? Looking at WP:G4, my reading is that this is true only when the content has been draftified, whereas eg. the Ricky Guillart draft was created in draft space from the outset. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DoubleGrazing,

When you are a new admin, there are two ways to learn what decisions you should make as an admin. One is reviewing policy and guidelines. The second is seeing how more experienced admins act and adopting their practices. My action about CSD G4s in Draft space might fall under the latter group. Unless the draft is identical to the deleted article or is vandalism, drafts are typically untagged if they are labeled CSD G4s. The reason why is that there should be a way for an edtor to write on an article subject that has been deleted through AFD and write an improved and better article. If all drafts were subject to CSD G4s, we'd never be able to accept well-written articles on subjects that had once been deleted through AFD.

If this point isn't stated in CSD policy, I'm sure it's been a subject of discussion (probably multiple times) on the CSD talk page and I'll search for that later tonight. If I can't find it, then I think it is worth starting a new discussion on CSD Talk to make that clear. The only aspect that I'm sure of is that I'm not the only admin to handle CSD G4s in Draft space in this way. So, if I'm incorrect, it's not just my behavior that needs to change but the other administrators who patrol CSD categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, no worries, Liz. I just thought maybe I'd overlooked something obvious, but it seems more of a grey area? In any case, I'm not here to argue with admins' decisions, whether I think they're right or wrong; you guys take enough flak as it is, for doing a difficult job (that I wouldn't do, even if offered!), and I for one don't need to be making it any more difficult. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Undo deletion of Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar)

Mrs Liz, please undo the deletion of Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar). It is a party that is going to contest in the national elections as part of a major national alliance in a few months. The party has seats in the national parliament and seats in multiple state assemblies. There is no reason to delete it.

The name can be adjusted to Nationalist Congress Party — Sharadchandra Pawar since that is the name accepted by the Supreme Court. MrMkG (talk) 09:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MrMkG,

While my closure on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nationalist Congress Party (Sharadchandra Pawar) was tentative, the consensus I saw was that the article content was inaccurate and if an article exists on this subject, it should be rewritten. Please review the comments made in the AFD. So, I closed the discussion as Delete. I don't think another relisting would increase the participation and because some editors actually thought the information in the article was false, I'm unwilling to restore this article to Draft space.

I see two options for you. If you disagree with my assessment of the consensus of the discussion, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review. Please know that this discussion will not be an opportunity for you to argue that the article subject is notable, the discussion will focus on my actions and the closure of the discussion and whether that was correct. The other option is to start a new draft in Draft space and submit it to WP:AFC for review. This is necessary when an article has been deleted through an AFD because another article on this subject put into main space can be speedy deleted, CSD G4. I think that is the most productive route to take but it's up to you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Or you can just restore it so that editors can correct it if it has false information like it is normally done. Why are you unwilling to restore it? Articles aren't deleted for being incorrect, they are corrected. I don't care for the merits of your actions or all the bureaucracy. I've seen it takes far too long. There is an upcoming election and an major party has gotten its article deleted. MrMkG (talk) 02:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

AfD discussion

Hi! The note you dropped on my talk has gotten some engagement. Flagging that, but also User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Related_issue. Nothing wrong with your relists, you followed procedure. I did not on the close, but I always like to drop a note when I mention people. It's the same discussion we' ve had a lot. It's ineligible for soft deletion, but if no one wants to retain it, why do we bother. Happy Friday! Star Mississippi 18:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to piggyback on this in re my AfD for The Garagiste Festivals, since it's another example of the same issue. Considering the total lack of engagement with this AfD, would there be any issue with a BOLD merge of notable, non-promotional into another article, or do I need to wait until the AfD closes? Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Star Mississippi, I usually don't join talk page discussions until the end of the day when I have more free time but I'll check out the discussion on your User talk page. I appreciate you letting me know about it as I don't check my pings.

Just Another Cringy Username, please do not Merge content until the AFD is closed but if you want to go that route, please make sure you mention that in your AFD nomination statement so it's clear you are not seeking deletion. But we typically advise that while it's fine to improve articles while they are being discussed at an AFD, large content removals, Merges, Redirects or page moves can be disruptive.

As a closer, if there is low participation, I typically like to let AFDs run at least two weeks although other closers will close them sooner so I'm not sure what will happen with this one. I've actually seen 3 or 4 editors jump into a discussion after 3 relistings so it's hard to predict what will happen. There are some subjects that draw a lot of participants, like contentious topics, subjects in the news and, for some reason, articles about places/towns, but most AFDs are suffering from a shortage of editors interested in participating. I'd estimate that we have half the number of participating editors in most AFDs than there were a year ago. It's an area of the project that many editors burn out on and I can understand why. An editor can spend an hour or more searching for reliable sources and then the AFD is closed as Delete. I'm sure it is very frustrating. But I can't think of an area where an individual editor can have more influence over the content of the project than participating thoughtfully in AFDs. Whether or not articles are Kept or Delete can often come down to one or two editors which, honestly, I don't think is optimal for the health of the project. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Latest from @depthsofwiki Twitter account

Have you seen this? :) Owen× ☎ 20:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Owen×,

No, I hadn't seen it, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Fifteen years ago, I spent as much time on Twitter as I do now on Wikipedia so I'm aware of the account but I just am not on the platform any more so I don't see their posts. I think they are on Instagram as well.

It's very flattering but also a bit unsettling as I think most editors work without thinking that anyone is paying attention to what they are doing...unless they make a colossal mistake. And there are many editors/admins who work just as much if not more than I do. I think about editors/admins who create Featured Articles, dig into unearthing sockfarms, handle disputes on Contentious Topics and manage the AE noticeboard and, most of all, those editors who take on the thankless task of investigating copyright concerns. They are heroes to me. The work I do does fall under the rubric of "maintenance" as unglamorous as that sounds, that's what the mop is for. I guess I find it satisfying cleaning out the unwanted pages and welcoming new editors. I just think it is so important what that "first contact" is with newbies, it can drive them away, muttering under their breath about what a bureaucratic hellhole Wikipedia is, or encourage them to spend more time here and try to pick up all of the rules and policies. I think we forget that with experienced editors moving on and retiring, we have a constant need for competent new editors and you never know which ones will turn into those editors who write articles on some subject that is missing from the project.

But thanks for letting me know, it's kind of like getting a barnstar only in front of an audience. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:01, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Talent economy (disambiguation)

Can you please bring back Talent economy (disambiguation)?
WP:G14 was not applicable because there were two links to existing articles: One to 10x Management and one to Andrew S. Rosen. Up the Walls (talk) 15:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Up the Walls,

These two articles might mention the Talent economy phrase in the body of the article because it is part of a title of a book but this term is not part these articles' page titles or a main subject which is what disambiguation pages are for. They just happen to mention a book that has Talent economy in the book title. For further guidance, please review Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Specific instances and Wikipedia:Disambiguation#What not to include or you can inquire about disambiguation pages at the Teahouse. But in my eyes, this was an appropriate speedy deletion tagging.

If you disagree with the tagging and deletion of this page, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review and see if the editors there agree with you. Personally, if was me, I would create Talent economy as a Redirect page and use one of these articles as the target page, including a hatnote to reference the other article rather than create a disambiguation page. But you are free to take what action you feel is appropriate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Undeletion of Taiwan editing tips

Please see WP:Requests for undeletion#Wikipedia:WikiProject Taiwan 1000/Editing Tips where you were pinged. Jay 💬 17:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Alpine Junction

Hi, can you please tell me which page Alpine Junction redirected to? Kk.urban (talk) 20:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kk.urban,

That page was a redirect to Alpine, Mendocino County, California which was deleted by PROD. The only edit to this page was one creating this redirect. This page creator created a lot of articles about small towns that have since been deleted along with many redirects to them. I hope this addresses your question. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Kk.urban (talk) 02:07, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

User:Ayig2

Dear Mrs. @Liz, please delete user page such as User:Ayig2 because CSD G1. Thanks. 36.78.197.67 (talk) 22:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 36.78.197.67

I'm not sure why the content bothers you so. I just blanked the page, not all User pages with gibberish need to be deleted. I hope this addresses your concern. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Dr. Squatch

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dr. Squatch. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 108.49.72.125 (talk) 05:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Thank you for all the work you do. I find your contributions to one of the largest free online encyclopedia amazing. Thank you for all that you do. Maxb133 (talk) 06:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks, Maxb133. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Jeff Wise Article Deletion

Hi Liz, Why was the Jeff Wise article deleted? I'm a new user, so I'm not super familiar with the nuances of this website. Maxb133 (talk) 06:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Maxb133,

As a discussion closer, I assess the consensus of the discussion. If you read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Wise you can see the arguments editors put forward for why this article should be deleted. After you have read it over, return here and tell me if you now understand. Would you like to create a new article on this subject?

If you have questions about AFDs and Wikipedia's deletion processes, please bring them to the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you advice, support and a second opinion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Musk v. OpenAI

Hi Liz, could you restore Draft:Musk v. OpenAI? The deletion discussion ended in a redirect, but I believe there is enough to meet GNG. I would like to work on it and resubmit. Best, Thriley (talk) 22:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley,

You've been around here long enough to know that I can't just revert a AFD consensus decision, especially when no editors were arguing to Keep this article. But since it is a Redirect, the content is still all there. You could move the page to Draft space, creating a Redirect in its place, where you could work on improving the article. Sound good? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh no, I didn’t mean that! Just wanted to move the redirect to draft. Looks like I can do that myself. Thriley (talk) 03:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

G5 for non-EC users creating ECP articles?

What is the current status of using G5 to speedy delete articles in ECP topics (in this case, the Arab-Israeli conflict) created by users not yet EC? Should these pages be marked for deletion, and if yes, what is the correct way to do so? I didn't want to imply that the creator was a sockpuppet, I'm sorry. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Chaotic Enby,

If this is the case, it shouldn't get a CSD G5 tag, tag it instead with {{db-gs}}. I'm not sure if this is programmed into Twinkle yet. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I'll tag the article correctly! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Chaotic Enby, to be honest, very few editors, even page patrollers, know about this speedy deletion code. I only know of two editors who have correctly tagged articles that fit the criteria. Now you are one of them! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again! Always happy to learn! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 03:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Required help 🙄

Respected Mam can you please 🙏 help me inprove Draft:Yash Shah (contortionist) and make it fit for article space. Mam I had tried my best as much as I can able. But mam now I don't able understand how to improve it further.. So I request you please help me.. Tablasingh (talk) 04:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Tablasingh,

First, I don't work on article or draft creation. Second, could you provide me with a link to the article you are talking about? Then I can look at it. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yash_Shah_(contortionist) Mam please 🙏 try to help me. Tablasingh (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Template redirect deletion

Hi @Liz: Can you delete this: "Template:People of the German Rote Kapelle resistance group". Another another renamed that template wrongly and I put a G8 on it. I'm not sure if the G8 is applicable. I moved the the template name to something else accidently. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 08:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, its been done by Fastily. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 09:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Good because I was asleep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Creation of the page Delonte Hood

Just saw this page was deleted two months ago for "Appears to fail WP:SPORTCRIT, cannot find any significant coverage and none shown in article." If I can fix the problem and provide significant coverage about his player could I create this article again? (said If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.). Thank You ! Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Danjobilly1,

Can you give me a link to the page you are talking about? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

sorry about that. Here Delonte Hood Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Danjobilly1,

No problem. This was a Proposed deletion so it can be restored upon request. I can restore it to main space, where it might be tagged for AFD deletion (it's a possibility) or to your User space or Draft space if you would prefer a chance to look it over. Let me know what you would like. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Could you restore it to main space? I can make the necessaryessisary changed from there. Thank you ! Danjobilly1 (talk) 17:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Danjobilly1,

I see you already recreated this article. But I restored the previous edits which you can check out in case you wanted to know what the original content on the page was. Sorry for the delay. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Please

Would you please restore Draft:Camp Lambec. --evrik ^(talk) 21:00, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, evrik,

 Done Sorry for the delay. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Moving Justin Jin (entrepreneur) to Justin Jin

hello Liz. just accepted this out of AfC, but I'm unable to move it without the disambiguator. i noticed you were the editor who protected it -- there appears to be a draft at Draft:Justin Jin, but it is about a different subject, and not currently in the mainspace. could you move these? thank you. She was ^afairy 06:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shewasafairy,

Well, I handled this backwards as I only saw your message now. I lifted page protection, then saw that Justin Jin (entrepreneur) is being discussed at an AFD so it shouldn't be moved unless it is Kept. I should have checked first as the page title appears to me in a pink font, signaling that it has been tagged for deletion or deletion discussion. Sorry for the tardy response. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

ah no worries, maybe it would be appropriate to keep it at the entrepreneur disambiguation if the other draft is brought into main space. anyways, thank you. She was ^afairy 06:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/INVNT

Hello. Could I get your advice on the propriety of adding a new page a little late (see the section note to closing admin). Could the AfD be relisted? Local Variable (talk) 00:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel Ticona

Could I ask you to clarify your rationale on this close. It looks entirely like no consensus to me. I see no good reason why greater weight should be given to those who believe deputy ministers do not meet the criteria of WP:POLITICIAN, when the position is, as you yourself say, unclear. Thanks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Please restore Elvira Vikhareva's page

Hello, my name is Evgeny Galitskiy, I am writing to you on behalf of my close friend and a Russian oppositional politician Elvira Vikhareva whose page was removed and put in drafts.

This was done after a message from a user Anatoliy Rosdashin (Анатолий Росдашин) whom neither Elvira, nor I don't know. In the piece of code that Rosdashin submitted, he added to Evira's name a derogatory word "bobroedka" (literally translates from Russian as "beaver eater" and is often used when referred to a different person, a Russian propaganda journalist Margarita Simonyan).

Also, Rosdashin mentioned that Elvira is a "too small and insignificant politician according to WP:POLITICS". This is not true, because Elvira is a well-known oppositional political figure and political journalist based in Moscow, Russia. She ran for a member of the Moscow Municipal Board in 2021, runs her popular YouTube channel where she interviews important russian politicians, journalists and political scientists.

In 2022 Elvira was unjustly deemed a Foreign Agent by the Russian government. Besides that, she has been many times persecuted by the Russian authorities for her political views, physically attacked by people affiliated with the Russian government and poisoned with a neural agent.

All of this shows that Elvira Vikhareva is an important person in russian political life and her Wikipedia page deserves to be restored.

Elvira asked me to write this message to you, because she fears that her account will be deleted from Wikipedia if she does it herself.

Please restore her Wikipedia page.

Thank you. Gha665 (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thank you for all your work as an admin. I often notice you checking the history of articles and sending friendly notes to users. I share this habit and always pay attention to article history, so it’s great to see others who respect it as well. – DreamRimmer (talk) 02:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

AFD advice

Hi, I can see you are very busy so I hesitated to say something. I saw you involved in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Lozupone, and I am unsure how to deal with an editor who I believe is not paying attention to policy and I know another admin here [2] also told them to pay more attention when reverting changes, and you advised the user on their talk page too about closing AFDs, so I wanted to get input. I have been trying to improve the article at AFD, and the user removed some sources, some were not great sources, but also put a lot of citation needed in the first paragraph even though the second paragraph and further provide sources that show these things to be the case.

According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section it is common to not need citations in the lead section. I saw that for clarity many pages had stuff in the first section that was backed by citations in the later body, I tried to do that but maybe I did not know the correct procedure. This user also removed some titles from citations for no reason I see, and changed some text to be say something other than what the citation says. Because I created the article even though I was not the only editor, I have been told I can not be that involved so I want another opinion especially an admin who is involved with this AFD. I do not want to edit war over this but the user left a weird message about neutral point of view on my talk page and honestly I am getting frustrated at this whole thing and do not want to act out. Thank you very much if you can offer advice. I would understand if you can not or if I did something off, but I would like to improve the article more maybe but this makes it more difficult. I will see your reply if you reply here. ThreeBootsInABucket (talk) 04:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Nissan TD engine

Hi, you helped me regarding this article in the past. I just submitted a draft at Draft:Nissan TD engine; just thought I ought to notify you since you deleted the original article. Thanks,  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:55, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Dalberg advisors notability

Hello,

I've seen that the page on development consultancy firm Dalberg has been deleted a few weeks ago, because I'm working on an article that linked to it (Advance market commitment). I did some google searches, and found a few sources that seem relevant: Business Daily (2010) - devex.com (2011) - Consultancy.uk (2015) - leral.net (2017) - Kenyans.co.ke (2019) - The Star (2023) - The Ken (2023) - Forbes India (2023) - African Shapers (2023). Do you think these sources could together plausibly satisfy notability criteria? If so, what is the correct procedure to start a discussion about this, or start rewriting the article in a more neutral way?

Thanks a lot for your help! – Ejowan (talk) 16:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

2018 Garland mayoral special election

Can you restore this so that it can be merged to the appropriate article. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC).

Thank you!

Early Spring in a tiny urban garden, can you spot the elf?

Hi Liz, thanks for answering my question on that other page re: one vs. three. That's life changing! I've been spending much too much time going through every single source at NPP, AfC and in BEFOREs. Doing reviews can sometimes get exhausting, esp. with such a big backlog or when an article or draft is massively refbombed. I was even translating sources before evaluating them. Good to know only ONE is needed. Thanks again for making volunteering a little bit lighter. Happy Spring, Netherzone (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report Our 2023 Annual Report is now ready for review. Highlights: Introduction Membership news, obituary and election results Summary of Drives, Blitzes and the Requests page Closing words – Your Guild coordinators: Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

Draft:Korvi Rakshand to move as main atricle

Hello Liz, following your instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/Archive 394 , I have worked with Draft:Korvi Rakshand, can you please review it and move as main article.--IqbalHossain (talk) 07:22, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

All the speedy

Is it legit moves that somebody mass removal the articles from the cat and then blank the cat page, and then you speedy it? I mean the action by user:Boubloub. Probably i have no time to investigate who is mass removing the article from cat. Matthew hk (talk) 10:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Well, it is the same guy Special:Diff/1214077855. Matthew hk (talk) 10:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:AN

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#WP:ADMINACCT demand from Rajeshthapaliya -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, -- Deepfriedokra,

I appreciate the notice since I don't frequent noticeboards as I did in my Wikipedia youth. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

User talk:MinecraftPlayer321‎

FWIW, he's indeffed w/o TPA. Meh -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, -- Deepfriedokra,

Yes, I know. When deleting expired drafts though I kind of let Twinkle do its thing and post notices unless I'm aware that an editor has been indefinitely blocked. But thanks for the reminder. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Timeline of United States inventions (1946–1991)

You concluded Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of United States inventions (1946–1991) by deleting the article per the apparent consensus, which was part of the series Timeline of United States inventions. This leaves a bizarre gap, e.g. Timeline of United States inventions (1890–1945) and Timeline of United States inventions (after 1991) both still exist. I was led here by comparison with List of Japanese inventions and discoveries, which also continues to exist. The consensus on the AfD seems mixed, with some suggestions that the content was just badly organized.

It seems to me the correct course of action is instead to clean up the original article. This middle ground, where a large chunk of a timeline is simply missing, is quite glaring. Would this be possible, and what might it entail? Jemidiah (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

User:Charliesouza/Charlie Souza

Hi Liz, I was tagging this as G11 as "userpage being used only for promotion or publicity, with a username that promotes or implies affiliation with the entity being promoted" as in the userspace of User:Charliesouz. We also already have an article at Charlie Souza which also appears to have been an autobiography. AusLondonder (talk) 08:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AusLondonder,

This isn't the question you were asking (I'm not sure if you were even asking a question) but I don't think it is time well spent to survey old User pages, looking for pages to tag for deletion. This editor left the platform years ago, readers don't see User pages and it isn't important to delete these types of pages. Unless you have a lot of free time, I don't think it is the best use of your time. In fact, I don't know how you even stumbled upon this old page! It's much more important to safeguard content in the main space of the project and remove promotional content from that namespace. Just my opinion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Liz, wasn't asking a question. Just giving a clarification. AusLondonder (talk) 02:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gessius Florus

Hello, I don't know many prolific afd closers as you're the only one that came to mind. I would like to ask for your assistance/input in this afd I created of a Roman fella. I asked around and the only answer I got was he's notable cause he existed 2000 years ago but doesn't pass GNG. I'm asking this cause I've never seen an afd of a person like this and would like to know the way forward. Many thanks in advance. Serrwinner (talk) 12:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Serrwinner,

I assume you are talking about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gessius Florus and it looks like the consensus right now is that this article should be Kept. I'm not sure what help you are looking for. If I were you, I read the responses of participating editors and see why they believe the article shouldn't be Deleted. If it's any consolation, I think of the articles I've nominated for AFD discussions over the past 10 years, I'd guess that about half have been deleted and half have been kept. Other editors often find sources that were not in the article before and our goal is to have better articles, so that is a win-win. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Removal of my friend, Amy Varle who wrote ending homelessness strategy

Hello there Liz, good day to you. I was just writing an article for https://thepeopleshub.org for Ada Lovelace army project and went to link to Amy Varle's Wiki page and see you have deleted it? Why on earth have you done this? Susan 86.11.241.158 (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 86.11.241.158,

It's hard for me to know how to respond as you haven't provided a link to the page you are talking about and when I looked at your Contributions, there were not Deleted contributions. So, you must have edited with a different IP address or a registered account. You would really benefit from creating a registered account. Once you provide me with a link to the deleted page, then I can investigate and respond to your comment properly. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Deleted Talk Page

I have a slight apology to offer for accidentally creating a talk page with a longer name than its article page, which was therefore an orphaned talk page. I was trying to create a subpage of a talk page, containing a draft RFC, and I left the slash character out, so it was an orphaned page rather than a legal subpage. There is no way that a reasonable admin could have guessed what I was trying to do (and following the rules is a reasonable course of action). So I think I am doing it correctly this time. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon,

To be honest, I look at hundreds of pages every day so I'm not sure what page you are referring to. I regularly delete orphaned talk pages though. If it was a User space page, that is different but without knowing the page, it's hard for me to know what happened. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Lists of deaths C1

Hi - Just curious what the goal is here. Is it to eventually label Category:Lists of deaths by year C1? Gjs238 (talk) 01:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Gjs238,

I don't think it makes sense to have a "Lists of..." category when there is only one list. Single page categories aren't very useful but it looks like monthly articles were created starting in the 1990s and so these latter categories are indeed "ListS". If you want to revert me, that's fine, I'll just bring it to CFD. I just didn't think anyone would object. Liz ^{Read! Talk!}

Draft:William Allegrezza - G4 check

Hi Liz (or any other admin happening by), can you check if this draft is essentially the same as William Allegrezza which was very recently deleted via this AfD. Normally I would not ask this about a draft but given it was just deleted and the creator also reverted your close (I reverted them), I don't want time wasted reviewing it if it is the same. S0091 (talk) 16:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,

Well, it doesn't look "identical". The old article had been edited from 2005-2023 so it's unlikely that they would be identical unless the editor copied the content from a Wikipedia clone. This version has a lot more sources but I didn't evaluate them to see if they were sufficient. As for me, and other admins, CSD G4 doesn't apply to Dyou raft space. Editors should be permitted to write improved versions of deleted articles and often they are encouraged to. There is some disagreement about G4s and the policy doesn't specify what namespace this criteria covers. But that's my interpretation. I'd encourage you to review but it's not a good sign that they reverted an AFD closure. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. My reference to G4 was short hand. I was primarily concerned about it being pretty much a duplicate thus a time waste to review it. Had it been a duplicate, I would have declined it as such rather than requesting it be deleted as I agree with your stance. We shouldn't cut off folks from submitting drafts to overcome an AfD, outside of pure disruption, policy violations or similar. S0091 (talk) 20:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello

I am the author of one of the petitions on the Egov.Press website. It turns out that the Wikipedia article was deleted back in February. I ask you to consider the sources that provide evidence of the significance of the project. In my opinion, this is the same site as Avaaz, Change.org, which do not require proof of significance in a particular country.

https://spik.kz/1775-peticii-na-sajte-alash-online-prakticheski-ni-na-chto-ne-vlijajut-tak-li-jeto.html

https://liter.kz/petitsii-v-kazakhstane-rabotaiut-no-ne-tak-kak-my-schitaem-1643696504/

https://informburo.kz/kaz/elaynasy/qazaqstanda-onlain-peticiya-nege-natize-bermeidi

https://aikyn.kz/181297/petitsiya-aytar-datym-bar

http://rmebrk.kz/assets/pdfjs2/web/viewer.html?file=/journals/7972/2619.pdf

https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-031-43440-2_6

https://jied.lse.ac.uk/articles/10.31389/jied.208

https://massaget.kz/basty-zhaalytar-438/87994/

https://astanatv.kz/ru/news/66308/

https://baigenews.kz/kazakhstanskiy_zhurnalist_obvinil_sayt_petitsiy_v_nakrutke_126317/

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:L%C3%B6schkandidaten/16._Februar_2024#Egov.Press_(bleibt)

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egov.Press 37.99.85.29 (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 37.99.85.29,

Did you read my closure statement at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egov.Press? I stand by it. There might be an article on this subject to be written but the one we were looking at wasn't it. This decision won't be reverted but you can start a new draft article and submit it to WP:AFC for review. I think that would be the best route to take. You can appeal my closure by filing an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review and presenting your argument there but I think working on a new draft version would be a better use of your time. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Japanese literature

It seems inconceivable that no notable literature was published in Japan for three centuries. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Andy Dingley,

I agree. The tool I use to look at categories says that these categories weren't emptied, article by article, but this emptying can happen if an editor changes a template that automatically fills categories. We have a week to figure that out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I was expecting to find that these were created as part of a set some time ago and have never been filled because those who might write such articles are instead discouraged by having every small step they make deleted by some nit-picking exercise. But either way, we ought to (and used to) move forwards, not forever waste time trying to find excuses to go backwards. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:03, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Andy Dingley,

It was a mistake made to a new template. I asked an editor who is an expert in templates to track down the problem, it's been fixed and the categories are repopulated. That's why CSD C1s are given 7 days before deletion, just in case it's a glitch that's caused them to empty. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Object show (2nd nomination)

Pinged you because you were part of the related discussion on my Talk. No action/response needed and nothing of yours being questioned, just a courtesy heads up in case you wanted to weigh in. Star Mississippi 02:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

I always appreciate notification on my user talk page as I don't track my pings. I'm not sure why this draft was singled out for an MFD discussion but the regulars there usually prefer to let drafts be handled by CSD G13 unless there is objectionable content. I have to go read your talk page archive as it's not clear to me what my involvement is. Thanks again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Any time, and I disclosed it at the MfD lest anyone just see it here and think I was canvassing you.

From my re-read, we were split on whether SALT was necessary or helped because we were all playing whack-a-sock on the various titles. This one wasn't going to die a G13 death since I think it's linked off wiki somewhere hence random periodic edits. Have a good evening! Star Mississippi 02:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

I'm always surprised when some editor can actually track down the actual Tweet or Reddit forum post where users are being canvassed. I guess they frequent those places. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

"Oppidum of Moulay" refund request

"Oppidum of Moulay" could you please email me what was deleted? I fell down another rabbit-hole, you know the drill. I have hopes of coming back to this however. Elinruby (talk) 06:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Elinruby,

Please give me a link to the page you are talking about. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Pretty sure it would be Draft: Oppidum of Moulay or possibly [[Draft: Oppidum de Moulay}}. It would a translation of Oppidum de Moulay but I doubt I had linked it yet.

No rush. Elinruby (talk) 06:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Elinruby,

 Done As a stale draft, this page can be restored upon request. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Bernie Moreno

Can you please elaborate on why you thought there was a consensus to keep? We typically delete articles on political candidates, and the discussion needs a more detailed close. SportingFlyer T·C 23:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SportingFlyer,

I read the consensus as the majority of editors wanting to Keep this article, especially post-election. If you read the second half of the discussion, almost all editors are saying that POL is met. I'm not sure how much more commentary is called for. I'd be willing to revert my closure and close as No consensus but I don't see a consensus to Delete or Redirect. I advised editors seeking to Redirect to have a talk page discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that's true. Most of us quoting NPOL were explaining to keep !voters why their logic was incorrect. Redirecting after the AfD will be very difficult as well. SportingFlyer T·C 09:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

About one of the U5/G11 tags

Hello - I noticed in your edit summary at a user page you described one of the tags as an overreaction. This is what the page looked like at the time of nomination. Didn't realize they'd edited out the article after responding to them at my talk page. That's my bad for not removing it in a timely manner.

Though I do have a few questions coming from this - do admins reviewing the CSD category not look into the page history when reviewing, and is the onus on the nominator to remove the tag once it no longer meets the criteria? I know I've had a handful of issues with my CSD tags before, and I'd like to knock those issues out before I keep going and reviewing new user pages. Thanks! Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 18:35, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Phönedinger's jellyfish II,

I didn't look at the page history when I removed the tag and offered that edit summary. Once I did, I could see why you tagged the page. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Liverpolitan identity

Hi, thanks for protecting the Liverpolitan identity page. I have taken on board your comment. Would it be possible for to move it to Liverpolitan as the system is having problems auto finding sources for – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR. The original title (Liverpolitan identity) of the page also caused friction amongst one of the users and was changed to Liverpolitan to please them and to diffuse the discussion. Many thanks. Liverpolitan1980 (talk) 19:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

1819 Balloon Riot

You moved this to draftspace because the author submitted it for AfC review, but AfC is optional. Is there a requirement student editors specifically must use it? Mach61 21:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mach61,

First, I didn't know that the article creator was a student editor. I noticed it on the Move log because the page title was 1819BallonRiot. So, at first, I was just going to move the article to a proper page title. Then, I noticed that the AFC tags were still on the page. When I looked at the page history, the editor had submitted their User space draft to AFC and then, moments later, moved it to main space. My guess is that after they submitted it to AFC, they saw that they were in a line with 4,000 other drafts for review and were impatient. In case this was a mistake, I moved the page to Draft space where it was still tagged for submission. I guess that's the long story. The short story is no, unless there is a real or suspected COI or the article had previously been deleted through an AFD decision, there is no obligation for an editor to use AFC. And, if they had objected to my article page move, I would not have moved it back to Draft space. It was just the fact that they submitted the article for review and then immediately moved it before it could be reviewed that prompted me to move it to Draft space.

But, if you are the AFC reviewer, there were no special circumstances that you need to be aware of and I don't plan on following up on this draft article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

harassment account

Hi, I think you could notify me about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tehonk_Yav%C5%9Fa%C4%9F%C4%B1 as it's a direct personal attack to me (it means something like "cunt Tehonk"), it looks like he messaged you because he saw your messages on my talk page and thought you would block me by thinking it's my account. I have a guess about who he is but only a guess (I think he started to harass me after I opened an AfD for an article they created), should I open a SPI about it with only a guess? Tehonk (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

User: SHOLAASIRU/Sandbox

Hello Liz,

I noticed that my article on Payaza Africa Limited was removed. As this is my first attempt at writing here, I'm finding it challenging to grasp the policies and identify where I went wrong. I also received a notification suggesting I contact you before making any revisions to the article. I appreciate your guidance in advance. @Liz Sholaasiru (talk) 11:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yitzhak Reiter

Hey I just now noticed you closed this AfD.

While it seems that notability is not an issue, the article still has literally zero independent references. Isn't that a reason for deletion? How can the page be allowed to remain as it is? Note that the article is also largely the work of a blatant COI editor who has since been banned. [3]

Should probably be deleted per WP:TNT, no?

- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:50, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Surely this is a draftify? (at the very least). It's an unsourced BLP and last time I looked, we weren't supposed to be doing those! Andy Dingley (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

This seems like a good idea, draftifying and "marking its talk page with the tags of any relevant projects as a means of soliciting improvements from interested editors." How can that be done? IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IOHANNVSVERVS,

Every single editor in the discussion except for the nominator argued that this article should be Kept. I can't impose my own opinion on the discussion or it would be considered a "supervote", it would be taken to Wikipedia:Deletion review and overturned. Of course, if you don't agree with my closure, you can take this closure to DRV yourself and try to have it overturned. But I won't revert myself when opinion was almost unanimous. I'm sorry but these are consensus decisions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take it to deletion review. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 18:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure if I'm understanding correctly, is that the best next step for me to take this to deletion review? I don't fault your close but rather disagree with the consensus. Like I said, I don't understand how the page can be allowed to remain with zero reliable sources... IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 19:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Request for Deletion Review: John Paczkowski

Hi Liz

I wanted to ask you to reconsider the deletion of this bio:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Paczkowski

Paczkowski continues to be very well known and respected important journalist. His reporters have won pretty much every award in the business (Livingston, Polk, Pulitzer, Mirror, SABEW). And he's completely resurrected Forbes tech reporting, which has led the industry on TikTok reporting: https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilybaker-white/2022/11/28/tiktoks-china-problem/?sh=550c549c1ee4

He’s an editor now, so he doe’s less reporting, but you can see him promotion his folks’ work on twitter. https://twitter.com/JohnPaczkowski

He has done a few stories at Forbes though:

Twitter scoop: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnpaczkowski/2023/11/19/linda-yaccarino-x-twitter-elon-musk-antisemitism-urged-to-resign/?sh=1f24a0e13929

Day of announcement Vision Pro review: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnpaczkowski/2023/06/07/this-is-what-its-like-to-use-apples-new-vision-pro-mixed-reality-headset/

And when we has actively reporting, he interviewed Apple CEO Tim Cook and broken all manner of news about Apple and other big tech companies.

Tim Cook interview: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/twenty-minutes-with-tim-cook

AirPods scoop: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/inside-iphone-7-why-apple-killed-the-headphone-jack#

Paczkowki's allthingsD archive. He was Kara Swisher and Walt Mossberg's first editorial hire: https://allthingsd.com/author/john/index.html

Kara Swisher announcing Paczkowki's column: https://www.vox.com/2014/4/28/11626138/john-paczkowskis-back-with-daily-codered-column-on-recode

Buzzfeed News Archive: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/author/johnpaczkowski

Forbes announcement: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbespr/2022/05/26/forbes-names-john-paczkowski-executive-editor-of-innovation-and-technology/?sh=218988244539

Thanks for your consideration. Stay well. AliceTheGoon (talk) 18:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AliceTheGoon,

I would have recommended that you start creating a new draft on this article subject, avoiding the problems that caused the other version to be deleted, rather than contesting the closure of the AFD I closed but it's your choice on what action you want to take. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:24, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for John Paczkowski

An editor has asked for a deletion review of John Paczkowski. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 19:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, NightWolf1223,

Thanks for letting me know. There is supposed to be a link in the Deletion review request to the AFD where the deletion was proposed but I appreciate you helping out the other editor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I fixed the link to the AfD. Thanks for letting me know about that. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 19:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Quantity of sources

Remember our old exchange about quantity of sources? Looks like I'm having some bad influence on you... ;) Owen× ☎ 23:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

(Or did I misread it, and the matter refers to sources rather than to quantity?) Owen× ☎ 10:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Yitzhak Reiter

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Yitzhak Reiter. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 10:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Tyler Morse

Hi, Liz. Despite creating close to 200 pages and being an AfC reviewer myself, I sent this to AfC because I was on the fence about notability at first. After submitting, there was another in-depth reference that came out and I added but instead of moving I left it there anyway. It was declined by a reviewer (and not casting aspersions) who has very little experience in article creation or AfC. I brought the subject up with them on my talk page. They initially left a response that didn't make sense to me and have failed to respond in about two weeks on my request for clarification. I would prefer to move the draft so that the history is attached as opposed to copy and paste. Of course, it is always subject to AfD if anyone feels otherwise but I think the edit history is important. If you can remove the redirect I would appreciate it. And to be fair, the reviewer declined another submission I had which I am completely fine with as I am still on the fence about that one. CNMall41 (talk) 03:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CNMall41,

I appreciate the explanation. I was a little surprised that you went through AFC, being an experienced editor, but I spend my time on the project reviewing dozens (hundreds?) of deletion requests and I kind of moved on to the next CSD-tagged page after making a decision on this one. I've reverted my CSD decline and moved the draft now. I hope this settles the problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. When I first started editing I created a few pages in mainspace that I later (once I was more experienced and understood guidelines better) had deleted. Now if I have something that I think others may object to or I am on the fence about I definitely send to AfC for a second look. As ALWAYS, thanks for the help. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Kimiyo

Hello Liz, I hope you are doing great! :) I had started working on a page for an article called "Kimiyo" and I believe you deleted it a few days ago? There is more information now to add to it. Is it possible to recover the draft for me to edit it more thoroughly, with articles/sources, pictures, etc?

Thank you in advance for your assistance! Joan Million (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Joan Million,

Can you provide me with a link to the deleted page? Then I can see why it was deleted and whether or not restoration is possible. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz and thank you for the quick reply! The closest link I could get to for the article discussed would be this one : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Kimiyo&action=edit&redlink=1

I hope this is helpful and that we may backtrack on the creation of this article about "Kimiyo".

Once again, thank you for your asisstance! Joan Million (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz, hope you're well. Were you able to retrace the page for "Kimiyo" that had been deleted? Thank you in advance for your follow up! Joan Million (talk) 12:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi. I'm not Liz but I can answer your question. Draft:Kimiyo was deleted as a test page. There is no content to recover as the draft consisted solely of the AFC header, and a reference section with no references. You are free to just start creating a draft at the same title. I hope this answers your question. -- Whpq (talk) 13:17, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the follow up Whpq. That's great. I'll start a new one asap. Can I submit it to you once my draft is completed, to get an approval?

Once again, thank you kindly for the follow-up. Joan Million (talk) 15:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

You can submit through WP:articles for creation and an AFC reviewer will evaluate the submission. -- Whpq (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! How long does it usually take to evaluate? And can I still make edits between the submission and evaluation?

Thank you once again! Joan Million (talk) 05:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Whpq, hope you're well. Would you mind helping me out? I wanted to submit an article for review and it was published right away but I would need assistance to make it wiki-friendly, as there are a few issues that seem to need sorting out.

Here is the article :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimiyo

Thank you. Joan Million (talk) 12:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Answered on uner's talk page instead of here. -- Whpq (talk) 17:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Restream

Hey Liz!

I've been working on a sandbox article about Restream and have updated it with some reliable sources. It's looking a lot better now. Could you take a look and give any advice on what steps I should take to get it restored? I'd really appreciate your help! SudoKudos (talk) 17:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SudoKudos,

Wow, you have added quite a few references to this article! I would remove any that are not reliable sources. It's better to have a few really good sources that discuss a subject in significant coverage than to have a lot of sources that are either unreliable (blogs, social media, etc.) or are just "passing mentions" that don't discuss the subject.

For an article that has been deleted through an AFD discussion, you should submit it for review to Articles for Creation. There is a bit of code that you put on the top of the page. It doesn't need to be moved to Draft space, you can submit it from your Sandbox. What the AFC reviewers will look for is that it doesn't have the same problems with the earlier version that caused it to be deleted. Even though this can take some time, there is a danger in moving a draft article immediately into main space as it will be reviewed by our New Page Patrollers who have high standards and they could tag it for deletion. Sandboxes and Draft space are a relatively "safe space" where you can work on improving an article without that pressure as long as the draft doesn't contain unacceptable content like advertising or copyright violations.

The reason why I suggest that you reduce the number of references to the best ones is that the AFC reviewer is not likely to check all of the ones you have included and if they just check 4 or 5 and they are bad, they might just outright decline the draft. It's not that they want to decline your draft, they just look at a lot of draft every day and if they randomly check a few references and they are bad ones, they might just make a judgement on that.

But it's important to remember that as long as the draft is "declined" and not "rejected", you can continue to work on the draft, ask the AFC reviewer questions about the review or go to the AFC Help Desk for more guidance. I hope this helps. Good luck with your work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Airlines established in 2024

At the time I re-created the page, the page Fly Dhaka Airlines was listed as being established in 2024. And no, it was not me or a sock-puppet that added the category to the page. It seems that somebody (else) has now removed the category from Fly Dhaka Airlines leaving it empty again. My inclination is to keep the 2024 establishment page category - regardless of what happend to Fly Dhaka Airlines, on the basis that 1 or more airlines that begin to run as a business in 2024 will likely gets their own wikipedia page(s) some time in the next 9 months - see the category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airlines_by_year_of_establishment with entries every year for the last 100+ years to see what I mean. There are already 3 entries in the category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Airlines_disestablished_in_2024. Your thoughts ? Pmbma (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Pmbma,

You are an experienced editor so you know you can look at the page history and see who removed/altered categories on that article. I use a script that shows what articles are added or removed from a category and there was another article that was removed when the article was moved to Draft space as draft articles are not supposed to have content categories on them as long as they are in Draft space. As for categories, we don't retain empty categories in the event that they might be needed in the future. There are a few exceptions like disambiguation categories, category redirects, WikiProject assessment categories and categories that are being discussed at WP:CFD but we delete empty categories in general.

We have database reports that list empty categories just for the purpose of tagging and perhaps deleting them if they remain empty for 7 days. Categories that are deleted simply for being empty, CSD C1s, can be recreated whenever they are needed. But, no, we don't leave up categories that are empty in the chance that they will be used in 3 or 4 months or a couple of years. If you want to restore a category that has been deleted for being empty that you believe will now be in use, you can either recreate it or contact the deleting administrator (or, really, any administrator) or put in a request at WP:REFUND, no problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Interreligious studies

Hi. I'm creating a page for the academic discipline, Interreligious studies.

Did you create such a page in January? Was there a problem that the page was deleted? Please let me know ASAP. ProfGray (talk) 21:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ProfGray,

Are you talking about a page that was deleted? If so, could you provide a link to the deleted page? Just put [[Article title]] between two brackets. Then I can look at the page and see why it was deleted. That would help me provide a response to your question. In general though, I don't create articles and only pages like User talk pages or pages when I move articles so it doesn't sound like something I would have done. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Liz, hi. I got this message while trying to create the page. It sounds like there's some mistake, if you never to actually create the page:

:A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted.

If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.

15:36, January 15, 2024 Liz talk contribs deleted page Interreligious studies (G8: Redirect to a deleted or nonexistent page) (thank) ProfGray (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Liz, hmm. Maybe I mistakenly created the page, an empty page(?) and it was deleted. If so, thank you for that assistance. It's been in my sandbox and I'm about to create it. ProfGray (talk) 21:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

John Ewing (Nebraska politician)

Miss Liz, we need to get John Ewing (Nebraska politician) because now he run for mayor, he important. miss JNOJ1423 (talk) 23:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Council Wars

Can you change the hard delete to soft one (undelete history and redirect this to the target I proposed in the my op?). John_Ringo_bibliography#The_Council_Wars to be exact. TIA. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Undeletion of Draft:Pez Jax

Please see WP:Requests for undeletion#Draft:Pez Jax where you were pinged. Jay 💬 16:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jay, I replied earlier today. I don't like to restore CSD deletions but, then, I'm not asked to do this very often. I can count the instances on one hand. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:14, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Unilateral speedy deletes (some categories) are a red flag for me. Also, I see G11's would need to be fundamentally rewritten as a clause that if a single editor (or a group of them) is willing to put in the time and effort to "fundamentally" rewrite a page (in draftspace), then it should be allowed. If the editor misunderstood "fundamentally", and made only cosmetic changes, it has to go back to CSD. Jay 💬 07:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Replied to your message

Hello. You have a new message at Usersnipedname's talk page. Usersnipedname (talk) 20:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Request new draft

Will handle this page. You can help us in adding this page to Wikipedia.Draft:Ramkripalyadavge Muskang375 (talk) 10:30, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Help fixing cut-and-paste move?

Hello Liz, based on this it looks like a user performed a cut-and-paste move between Miss and Mister Korea beauty pageants and Miss and Mister korea pageants. Are you able to help repair this? Left guide (talk) 07:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Left guide,

I don't have time to look into this tonight but it's weird because the editor created both articles. I don't know why the created a duplicate. The new page title should probably be a redirect, not an article. You could choose to just revert their edits or tag the new one CSD A10 as a duplicate article. Those are my thought right now but I'm heading to bed soon. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

John Carter Racing

Hi Liz, hope you're well. I see you restored Category:Companies based in Stephens County, Georgia to John Carter Racing. Happy to open a discussion on the talkpage but probably won't attract much attention so thought I'd ask you directly. It was a NASCAR Sprint Cup team, not sure if that is really a "company"? AusLondonder (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Evaluating and contributing

Hi Liz, I noticed that in this edit [4] you both relist the discussion and offer a novel suggestion for reaching consensus. In the future please do one or the other, you can't both participate and evaluate. You should now consider yourself involved in the discussion and ineligible to close it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:DRAFTIFY is a standard procedural comment as a question and it is not certain Liz will close the discussion anyway. IgelRM (talk) 23:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Regarding Allan Nonymous

Hi Liz, your Wikipedia editors block someone for contributing edits to suspected sockpuppet articles and participating in AFD discussions but they let an editor who behaves like this [5], calling other people idiot which is prohibited by rules and utter the racist sentence "Die, irrelevant Indonesian people articles" in here [6]. He even put speedy deletion tags on several articles without understanding terms like here [7], here [8], here [9], [10], and here [11], here [12], and there is no indication that he did WP:BEFORE before installing the tag. He even nominated several articles for WP:GNG reason even though they have been cited from various books and news, and as i mentioned earlier there is no indication that he did WP:BEFORE before doing this, like in [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], and [18]. Im sure that he doesn't even understand the content of the article which he nominated for deletion. Whatever it takes on this so called encyclopedia, i just wanted you to investigating this. I will leave btw and you are free to do whatever you want with my work, thank you and have a good day. 114.10.22.149 (talk) 02:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

With Respect to User:HansWobbe

Hi Liz, I was wondering what the best approach would be to delete articles by a blocked user for whom other articles were deleted through U5. I assumed U5 was the best approach here, but out of an abundance of cation. I am asking you, what approach you would recommend? I currently reopened an MfD on one of the articles as a sort of "test case", but I feel MfDing all the articles would just clog things up. Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Jacek Deniz Troshupa

@Liz:, Can you drafifty my article Jacek Deniz Troshupa so I can work on it and/or use it ass metrial to add to BalkanianActuality's draft? Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

@Liz:, Can you drafifty my article Jacek Deniz Troshupa so I can use it to add materal to BalkanianActuality's draft? Das osmnezz (talk) 04:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Jackie Adedeji

@Liz: Hello Liz - I just went to expand the article on the British TV presenter/newspaper columnist Jackie Adedeji and see that you've deleted it.

Please let me know what's up with that - and having caught the attention of an editor/administrator as experienced as yourself, I'd appreciate your help in bringing the page up to your level of satisfaction. The subject of it certainly meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. Spcranger (talk) 01:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Help me Liz, you're my only hope...not really but you're awesome so that's why I come to you

Hey Liz!

Hoping you can help on providing me the contents of the Ceres, Washington page that was deleted - log here [19] - that came from a new clean-up initiative, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Washington/GNIS_cleanup/State

Are you able (and willing!) to shift the page to a User Draft article under my name, or send me a link to the article's history page so I can rewrite the page? I haven't been able to find the old article's contents anywhere - it's like it never existed...but I admit I can't figure out the logs/search/deleted page stuff to save my soul.

Not asking to reinstate as of now - I've been compiling sources for Ceres for a couple years as I come across it but I don't have immediate time to direct attention to it fully. But over some weeks I can get around to it.

Thanks if you can, tears if you can't. Always impressed by your efforts here and hope you're doing well!

Shortiefourten (talk) 17:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shortiefourten,

I'll look into this later tonight and see what is possible. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz

Please can you tell why delete wikipedia Argnesa Rexhepi i have good material for review again please look for this again. Thanks so muxh Liz. 46.99.12.163 (talk) 19:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 46.99.12.163,

It would help me respond if you provided a link to the deleted page so I could see why it was deleted. I'm not sure, for example, whether it was in main space or Draft space. Once I see the reason for deletion, I'll know what is possible. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

NK HAŠK

I just noticed this was deleted on my watch list. I would have de-prodded. What's the correct thing to do here? SportingFlyer T·C 20:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SportingFlyer,

 Done With PRODs, CSD G13s and CSD C1s, all you have to do is make a request, either to the deleting administrator (or really, any administrator) or make a request at WP:REFUND. These are uncontroversial restoration cases. But I do have to tell you that this article had about 90 mentions on other articles that have been de-linked. I don't have the time to revert all of that de-linking but I will make sure that any mentions on templates are reverted. If you feel strongly about it, you can look through my contributions. If I find the time, I'll take care of it but I generally have a busy to-do list here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

There were no links on templates which is odd because most football teams are mentioned on at least one template for the league or season. So these must have been mentions on articles for other Croation football teams or for Zagreb. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you and no worries, I'll start re-linking everything. SportingFlyer T·C 03:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Claudia Letizia

Hallo Liz, I am writing you about this deletion discussion. In the discussion you made a request for a more deep source review and I answered demonstrating that all the TV movies enlisted in the entry about the subjects are just spam as she was not part of the cast of those movies. Nevertheless, you never answered or said your opinion about it, was the source review not enough or what? Thank you, --Giammarco Ferrari (talk) 13:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

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Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.

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Airline destination lists closure

Thank you for your good and well-explained close at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British Airways destinations. I'm uninvolved (so have no stake in the outcome) but I hope you aren't taken to DRV over this as it accurately reflects the discussion as I read it. Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Thryduulf,

I appreciate the support but I expected it to go to DRV and it has. This is one time where I don't think I need to defend myself. I don't mind this closure getting some extra scrutiny as I can see no closure option that wouldn't have been challenged. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for List of British Airways destinations

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of British Airways destinations. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Sunnya343 (talk) 18:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sunnya343,

I expected as much. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Liz, in the deletion review some people suggested doing an RfC in the style of an AfD, where links to the RfC are left on every stand-alone list. One editor said this method has been used before. It sounds like a good idea, but I hadn't heard of it before. Would you know if this type of discussion is permitted? If it is, I'm unsure how it would be included in the different DELSORT categories. Sunnya343 (talk) 17:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

@Liz:, Would you be able to draftify Jacek Deniz Troshupa so I can use its sources to add to BalkanianActuality's draft? If not, would you be willing to send the sources I used in the article to me so I can use them to add to BalkanianActuality's draft? Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Move

I didn't move the page correctly and was trying to fix that. The name has changed. I attempted to put a request to move the page in and that didn't work too well. Emphasis01 (talk) 05:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Emphasis01,

I'm sorry if my message was abrupt but I wanted you to stop blanking the page. If the name of the school has changed, then start a move discussion on the article talk page. If you present your argument, along with a link that backs up your claim, then the article could very well be moved to the title you want it to be at. You have to realize that most of the time when new editors do what you did, they are vandals, causing mischief, especially to school articles, so that is why we respond so strongly. If the school has changed its name, that can be handled very easily as soon as we can see that that claim is true. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I am not understanding you. I could simply move the page if we remove the redirects. The name did change, the school district changed a number of school names. The two people who are "sounding off" know nothing of these topics. Emphasis01 (talk) 05:27, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't figure out how to request a page move. See the requisite school district page for the new names. Emphasis01 (talk) 05:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Emphasis01: Please stop. First you did a copy and paste move of Juneau-Douglas High School, and inserted a redirect to Juneau-Douglas: Yadaa. at Kalé High School into the text of the original article After I undid the faulty redirects and had admins delete the cut and paste copy you moved the article again, properly this time, but again without commenting on the existing talk page discussion questioning whether the new name was actually in common use. User:Jclemens undid your page move and commented in the talk page thread. You then blanked the redirects from the school's new name (Juneau-Douglas: Yadaa. at Kalé High School) and requested an uncontroversial page move. Clearly it was not uncontroversial since the move had already been undone, and clearly you knew that it had been undone because you deleted the resulting redirect.

Your characterization of Jclemens and me as 'The two people who are "sounding off" ' is offensive, Don't make comments like that. We both know that the school has been renamed, but the article title goes by WP:COMMONNAME, not by the official name. Discuss the page move on the article's talk page, present any evidence for which name is in common usage, and we'll reach consensus on whether the name should be change, and if so, what the new title should be. Meters (talk) 17:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, it appears that even if the page should be moved, you had the wrong name. The school and the school board use the name "Juneau-Douglas High School: Yadaa.at Kalé", not "Juneau-Douglas: Yadaa.at Kalé High School" Meters (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Kamran Aliyev (jurist)

Hello dear "Liz", negative nuances in the article have been corrected and encyclopedic indicators have been added. I also share the person's OpenSanctions ID with you for reliability. Please share your opinion with us so that the article can be improved and approved. Thanks in advance.

https://www.opensanctions.org/entities/Q18427736/

          https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18427736  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redivy (talk • contribs) 23:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC) 

Hello, Redivy,

It looks like you just added two sources and I don't think that is not enough change to influence the next AFC reviewer. And that is who you really should be talking to as I don't review draft articles. Have you tried bringing your questions to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk? There you will get a response from editors who review a lot of draft articles and they would offer you better feedback than I can. The Teahouse is also a helpful place to go for help. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I am grateful to you, I have made many innovations thanks to your efforts. Redivy (talk) 21:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Brudelman

These edits look like an attempt to game ECP, what do you think? [20] Doug Weller talk 08:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Doug,

Sorry for the delay in responding. For this editor, I don't think they are interested in being extended confirmed because they aren't drawn to contentious subject areas. They really focused on category work which is a really unusual place for a new editor to start. But some newer editors are captivating by creating redirects and categories because they can create lots of pages that don't have to meet the demands that are expected for main space article work. What I am more worried about is that we have some sockmasters, whose usernames I can't remember, who also focused on categories. Like Brudelman, they eventually get topic bans and then they sock to get around the topic ban. So, I worry that this account isn't a new editor at all but without a sockmaster in mind, I can't really file an SPI complaint. So, that's where I'm at. They have only been active for a few weeks so if they are a sock, more will be revealed as they continue to edit, I think.

Nice to talk with you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. But they are wasting the time of too many editors. Maybe it’s time to stop them? Doug Weller talk 09:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Re your note at Ivanvector's talk page

Hi Liz, noticed your note on Ivanvector's talk page. Swapd came up on my radar not that long ago trying to research sources to determine reliability and kept coming across ads there for paid articles in certain publications (ex. [21]). I then started looking at Wikipedia services. They banned offering Wikipedia services back in 2020 [22] but in August last year started allowing it again on a trial basis [23]. Google search "Swapd" "Wikipedia" and you'll see all kinds of stuff. See also these YouTube videos from a SEO expert: [24] and [25] which he references in the other one. I've debated about posting something about it at AN but need to do some more research. They do appear to be legit as far as they monitor/oversee activity to ensure transparency, prevent scamming, etc. S0091 (talk) 17:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,

That's very helpful to know. I think the part that bothered me the most was not offering to write articles but the offer to sell a buyer an account with advanced permissions. I know that Swapd is not the only platform to offer Wikipedia services plus there are private companies that claim to be able to write articles that will never get deleted. I think a list of the "marketplaces" and companies would be useful to have in Wikipedia space. I'm not sure where but it's important that editors and admins are aware of what is going on because we tend to assume good faith of other editors, even precocious newbies. Thanks for those links. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Blablubbs this might help explain in part what Divine is getting at as far as swapd. S0091 (talk) 22:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hassan Houbeib

I noticed that your closure says that " editors arguing for Deletion have rejected the sources brought forward by those editors advocating Keep as being ROUTINE coverage". I have a major issue with this. The definition and examples for ROUTINE don't cover transactions. The examples are about box scores and match reports being used in articles about specific matches. You can't say that there's no leeway because of the recent RFC (unless there's another RFC I'm not aware of since NSPORTS) - it's not applicable (and besides - it never was a rule). Also, I brought forward an secondary source, and User:Mach61 claimed it was primary, and making false claims it was primary, and refused to explain why they thought it was primary, other than "I explained why I thought those sources were primary", despite never having discussed the source! When I pointed out the independence of the source, they simply refused to discuss it, and made another mistruth that "Most every source you've brought so far is primary"! When I pointed out that I'd only brought forward a single source (and that they was being uncivil) they simply said that they didn't have to explain. Surely, if nothing else, Mach61's vote needs to be discounted, given their propensity to just make stuff up. Thanks for the detailed, clear, closing statement - even if I disagree with it! Nfitz (talk) 23:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nfitz,

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hassan Houbeib, as I said, I felt as though my hands are tied with closing discussions on these articles on athletes biograhies. The editors supporting Deletion make very persuasive arguments because, to be honest, the same editors show up to every AFD and they've made these arguments dozens and dozens of times. If I had closed this discussion as No consensus, it would have been brought to Deletion review. I am not going to revert this decision as I do believe it was correct, but you are welcome to take it to Wikipedia:Deletion review and contest my closure. I won't take it personally.

But, if you want my opinion, I think a better use of your time is to go to the relevant policy page and start a discussion to better define what is considered "routine" news and what is not. That's a step that I think we would all benefit from because, I agree with you, it's not black and white except for the examples cited in the discussion. It's not that policy has to be comprehensive but if there are doubts about certain sources, then clarification is called for. I see ROUTINE come up in AFDs for most athletes' articles so it would be very helpful to get this issue debated and decided. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Articles

Firstly, thank you for these comments. There seem to be no response from the editor, if that continues I will re-post the articles with maybe a few improvements in the next coming days. As I see no major concerns with those drafts as all of those athletes have won gold or medals at major sports events. Regards.BabbaQ (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Kristen Onsgard

Can I ask for your help with this article. You already posted on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Geschichte

I'm not sure how to appeal a Draft decision. Also, I'm not sure the expected responsiveness I should get from an admin; I've requested that the decision be moved to a higher authority but no reply. It does not seem that the guidelines in WP:ADMINCOND and WP:DRAFTNOTIFY are being followed.

A long time ago I was assigned autopatrol privileges to prevent this type of unnecessary overhead when editing pages. I don't think I've abused this privilege. It makes creating pages much more frustrating when pages get drafted. Please let me know what I need to do to appeal; this is the first time I've faced the roadblock of an article stuck in Draftspace. Tx. Nicolas.hammond (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources

`== Sources ==

Hello, Liz, this is the third time I am asking you a question about Jacek Deniz Troshupa, all of which you have not replied to. Assuming you would not be willing to draftify my article, would you be willing to send the links to the sources I used in the deleted article to my talk page so I can use them to add to BalkanianActuality's draft? Thank you for your time, Das osmnezz (talk) 02:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

StencilJS

Hi! Re: your query. Yes the G4 was a mistake but the G11 wasn't. Don't worry, I won't re-tag. If they don't make a real attempt, I'll take it to MfD. Consensus was to draftify, but periodically they just repaste the same thing. Yesterday it was also in mainspace which has since been deleted. They don't appear to have an interest in improvement, just having the company listed. Le sigh. Happy Monday Star Mississippi 12:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Urban agriculture in Barcelona - deleted page

Hi Liz,

I hope you are doing well. I was recently made aware that you knocked this wikipedia article back to the draft phase. I was hoping you could provide some feedback on how to improve this article as it is my first time contributing to wikipedia. Thank you for your help, and I look forward to hearing your feedback. Mjgirard10 (talk) 12:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mjgirard10,

You're talking about User:Mjgirard10/Urban agriculture in Barcelona, right? I'd try submitting it to Articles for Creation for review. Those editors review draft articles a great deal of their time on the project and they can spot any errors that exist and provide some advice. After a review, if you have questions, ask the review on their User talk page or go to the AFC Help Desk for more guidance. I just spend my time on the project on admin maintainance tasks, not reviewing content creation so I don't have much help to offer you. You also might go to a related WikiProject and see if there is someone there who shares your interests who would like to offer you some help and advice. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, DaniloDaysOfOurLives,

It looks like you got someone else to take care of this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Okapathana College

It is a comedic hoax created by some one in Sri Lanka. Atthanayaka M. Herath, a popular tv figure in Sri Lanka erroneously mention this on TV as if it is a real fact. Herath was ridiculed for his lapse in fact-checking. I thought I was clear in the edit summary. You can verify this with this podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0ldD9_43g&ab_channel=Wajira. Though it is in Sinhala, hope you could get an idea. Chanaka L (talk) 05:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Chanakal,

I'm not going to listen to a podcast in a foreign language I don't understand. For pages tagged for speedy deletion, the problems have to be obvious and I didn't see any problems with this page. Maybe you'd have better luck approaching an administrator who is fluent in Sinhala or familiar with Sri Lanka culture. But I didn't see any issues that warrant deletion here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I think I have to wait till it moved to main space to nominated it AfD. Thanks. Chanaka L (talk) 05:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

AFD for Abhishek Kumar

Hey @Liz, I want to open an AFD for Abhishek Kumar article, but on opening the AFD, the AFD has already been taken place in 2011 for another subject that goes by same name. So shall I open the AFD as second nomination because the current article Abhishek Kumar speaks of other subject i.e an Actor who debuted in 2019. Please guide me for the same. Imsaneikigai (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Imsaneikigai: Yes, if you wish to nominate it, it should be opened as (2nd nomination). The fact that this article concerns a different person with the same name should be noted for the record, especially given that the title had been previously salted (the article only exists at the current title because an admin had moved it from Abhishek Kumar (actor)), but otherwise the procedure is no different from a normal renomination. --Finngall ^talk 18:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou @Finngall for your prompt response, I have created the AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhishek Kumar (2nd nomination) and added a small note asking the editors to not confuse between both the nominations. Hope that helps. Imsaneikigai (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Halloween cake

Hi Liz, I was wondering why you closed the Halloween cake article for deletion discussion as a merge? Especially as there were 2 deletes that pointed out that the topic has no notability. BaduFerreira (talk) 00:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I can't speak to Liz's intentions, but merged content does not have to qualify for a Wikipedia:Separate, stand-alone article. It's perfectly fine to merge content about a non-notable subject into an article about a notable subject. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hmm okay, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the clarification. BaduFerreira (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

It is recommended by the WP:FAILN section of the Wikipedia:Notability guideline. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

User:Explicit/Working

Please explain why undeleted the pages I listed on my subpage. The banning policy is incredibly clear: "Bans apply to all editing, good or bad"; "...they may not edit at all, even if the edits seem good." If you support allowing sockpuppets of banned users to create pages and feel the need to completely disregard WP:CSD#G5, please feel free to resign. ✗plicit 00:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Explicit,

These were just category talk pages. Again and again I see admins and checkusers on SPI case pages say regarding CSD G5 that admins should act in the spirit of policy, not the letter. There was no content here. CSD G5 does not require page deletion, this is up to admin discretion. I don't think deletion was called for in this instance, it seems like you often see the goal of page deletion as a solution for a nonexistent problems. It's the first and only option that you consider. You've deleted over a million pages, when will it ever be enough? It probably never will be enough. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I will apologize for interfering in your User pages. That was a mistake on my part. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Where in WP:CSD#G5 does it say deletion is optional? And how does your opinion negate banning policy? BMB very clearly calls for all page creations to be deleted, regardless of their merits. DisuseKid's abuse was bad enough across projects that the account is locked. They have 60 confirmed sockpuppets and an additional three suspected accounts, which is incredibly prolific. If there is no content, then what desperately needs to be restored and not simply recreated by someone else?

You seem to be very concerned about the statistics of my account. I don't even keep track of that, but it's your go-to with every interaction, like you mentioned here. You even added my subpage to your watchlist as well. Can you focus on your own business instead? ✗plicit 03:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amy Eden

Hello, I was wondering why you closed as redirect, only 1 person !voted for that. The consensus looked like delete to me. LibStar (talk) 01:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, LibStar,

Well, I didn't see anyone objecting to a Redirect and a closure isn't based on vote numbers as you know. But would you feel better if I reclosed this as a "Delete" then "Redireect"? I'll admit that I do prefer ATDs when possible but I try to take challenges to my closures seriously. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

No one argued for "Delete and redirect", you can't assume delete !voters don't oppose redirect. LibStar (talk) 04:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

You know, LibStar, you do what you feel is necessary. I've decided not to close any more AFDs that you start because you don't seem to be able to accept closures that you disagree with. I hope you have better luck with other AFD closers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

No, feel free to close AfDs I nominate. This is only one instance out of the hundreds/thousands you close that I don't agree with. LibStar (talk) 06:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Also I didn't even nominate this particular article for deletion. LibStar (talk) 06:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I take from your reaction of me taking this to deletion review, you are a little upset? For that, I apologize for. I think you are doing great job, as I said this is 1 instance in thousands. LibStar (talk) 07:02, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Amy Eden

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Amy Eden. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. LibStar (talk) 01:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tuckahoe and Cohee

"no consensus"?? only one person voted to keep, and that was for technical reasons. ltbdl (talk) 07:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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Restore request: Category:Articles with Baidu Baike links

Please restore Category:Articles with Baidu Baike links. Erroneous edits to the template removed this tracking category from articles. I have reverted the template changes. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jonesey95,

 Done These are easy requests to accomodate. This seems to have happened a lot recently with template edits. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Henry Benedict Stuart

Hello! Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. At least one of your edits on the page Henry Benedict Stuart, while it may have been in good faith, was difficult to distinguish from vandalism. To help other editors understand the reason for the changes, you can use an edit summary for your contributions. You can also take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calum707 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Calum707,

I've been here for almost 11 years and have over 600,000 edits to my name. You have been here one day and have less than a dozen edits. You don't have to send me a template with a link to a Introduction page. And here I thought you were the vandal. I'm pretty sure you are socking though but if that's so, it will be discovered at some point. Newbies don't know about template messages and policy abbreviations. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, Liz. Thank you.

Hello Liz. I wanna say thanks for contributing one of my files. I know, it's just a little edit (human review and stuff, I know that lol.), but... that means a lot.

Now, since today is my retirement day from Wikipedia, I think I might not come back and edit no more.

If you want to ask why and stuff, just reply to me. Tell @Minorax that I say hi. Cya, Liz!

- The silly editor, Ayzkao. Dr.Ayzkao! 04:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ayzkao,

I'm sorry that you are choosing to retire. Maybe consider it a WikiBreak. I took one for 6 months and then, later, another one for 2 years. I wouldn't be editing still if I hadn't taken a few extended breaks. I wish you well with whatever happens next for you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Haha! Thanks, Liz! Dr.Ayzkao! 05:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Quick note on Talk:Burger King Specialty Sandwiches/Sandbox

Thanks for your edits to Talk:Burger King Specialty Sandwiches/Sandbox.

I thought sandboxes were supposed to be out of main and talkspace? Also I don't think this is monitored. Awesome Aasim 06:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Awesome,

First, I looked at several sandboxes that you tagged for speedy deletion as test pages, the rest of them were, I believe, in WikiProject space and I didn't notice that this one wasn't. But there was a time years ago when lots of articles had subpages that weren't archived talk pages, many of them had (and might still have) "to do" pages where editors worked out plans to improve an article. Now that you have corrected me, I don't recall seeing many sandboxes though but the tag for test edit pages specifically say that this criteria doesn't include sandbox pages. Let me think about whether there is a better place where it might be moved or if another criteria fits this page. If the page creator, User:Jerem43, was around, there opinion would be useful but they haven't edited in many months now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe move to the user space of the OP while suppressing redirects and remove the sandbox template. Awesome Aasim 20:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Small cats. (not kittens).

What's the thinking with keeping Category:Schumacher Racing Products? Both pages in it currently are the same article, and I don't see there being scope for aditional articles in that category. -- D'n'B-t -- 19:44, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, D'n'B,

Well, it seemed like an example of "emptying a category out of process" where, instead of nominating a category for deletion, an editor removes all of the contents so it gets tagged for "speedy" deletion (which isn't really speedy) as a empty category. So, I refilled the pages that hadn't been turned into redirects. We do have thousands of categories that only hold one article so it's not that unusual. But now that you've inquired about it, I'll reconsider my actions later today. But, any way, that was the thinking behind my reversions, I couldn't say all that in an edit summary but I could have left a better explanation for you, my apologies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Joce Nuttall

Kia ora Liz. I see that you moved my article on Joce Nuttall to Jocelyn Nuttall, because "This is the name the subject is referred to in the article body". My understanding is that it is common practice to put someone's full name if known at the start of their article, but that doesn't mean it is the name they are commonly known by, and articles should be under the name someone is generally known by. Jocelyn Grace Nuttall is the subject's full name but she is known as Joce Nuttall in almost all the sources I have seen. Would you please undo the redirect? I have been told previously that if a nickname is a common or obvious one not bother adding "known as" but if it would help we could have "Jocelyn Grace Nuttall known as Joce"? Ngā mihi, DrThneed (talk) 05:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DrThneed,

I don't have an opinion on the correct name for this article subject. I simply moved the article to a different page title because the article referred to Jocelyn Nuttall in the body of the article. The page title has to be in agreement with the content of the article. So, if you believe the article should be under the name Joce Nuttall then please change the article to reflect that. At the least, the lead sentence should state Jocelyn "Joce" Nuttall so that readers will not be confused. Make sense? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I've done that, now could you move it back please? Thank you. DrThneed (talk) 05:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I thought you could take care of that but perhaps you can't if there is a redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there was a redirect because I thought about the name the article should be under and had made one. I hate getting into a mess with redirects so I'd appreciate you fixing it, given you moved it (sorry if you think I'm being grumpy, but a cursory glance even at the title of the sources would have shown that Joce would be the correct name, and therefore the better edit than moving the page would have been to add "Joce" than to create a mess with redirects). DrThneed (talk) 05:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done but you do sound a little grumpy. I don't think the redirects caused a mess but then I move a lot of pages and as an admin, redirects don't cause any problems for me. To by honest, I didn't know which name is correct (and I still don't), I just wanted the page title and the article content to be in agreement. I hope you have a good weekend. Good night. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies

It is considered a high point when a javanese official or politician speaks for an hour and nothing is really said....My comment at bumi yana (?) was that such a person can be a link in a chain, metaphorically speaking, and yes at face value of the article per se - the deletionists have their point and it should go - but in understanding the cultural and real life connections, a number of non notable things and people can combine to effect things of a larger dimension, and the capacity of an editor to navigate people and things between what might be considered at first view not connected, but then are... The editors quoting rules and things are in the right space in one sense, but then the larger picture can complicate the issue.JarrahTree 09:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Iraqi people of Israeli descent

A tag has been placed on Category:Iraqi people of Israeli descent indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 14:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

CSD of Dj Dominic ( Producer )]

Hi Liz, I think R3 does apply. R3 states: This criterion does not apply to redirects created as a result of a page move, unless the moved page was also recently created (italics added and footnote omitted). Here, the moved page, DJ Dominic, was created just a few hours ago. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz {{You've got mail}} RE CitrusAd

Hello Liz, the CitrusAd page was deleted because of "abandonment" and it sounds like it was in a "draft stage" prior to deletion, could you undo this in order for me to make any necessary edits? I apologize in advance for being new here, but learned about the page status in the teahouse- I am hoping there is a way to get a copy of what was here and and advice on anything that needs to be fixed and addressed prior to republishing. Kind regards, TLN27 TLN27 (talk) 17:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

CSD of Beloit and Madison Railroad

Liz, thanks for taking a look at my speedy deletion request at Beloit and Madison Railroad. I agree with you that it was just created and when I saw the article I also thought to let the author work; however, what led me to speedy deletion was the discovery of Draft:Beloit and Madison Railroad, which is an identical article created by the same user through the AFC process where it was rejected back in January with no further edits. The article creator appears to have ignored advice from the AFC reviewer and simply recreated their own article in mainspace with no interest in improving it.

I probably should have noted this in the AFC process. Dan • ✉ 06:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Review protection

Hello. I would like to urge you to review your protection here:

• The article was created in 2004 under the title "Pêro da Covilhã" and has been stable ever since. Such title is consistent with reliable sources (examples: Britannica, Infopedia).
• The page was moved a few months ago to "Pero da Covilhã" by an account which is currently banned from his home wiki for long term abuse and sockpuppetry (ban discussion here).
• I did revert his move immediately, but he moved it again 3 months later. It was only yesterday I noticed the issue and had the chance to once again undo his move. It's hard to keep track of all the POV-pushing changes, as they take place on different articles, on different projects and sometimes using anonymous edits to avoid scrutiny and even tag team with other globally locked LTAs.

Yet, you have protected the page in the disputed version of an LTA account that goes against RS. So, please, I would like you to reconsider your decision. JMagalhães (talk) 07:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

Just noting that I won't insist on such disputes, as already stated in Magalhães's talkpage. So I don't oppose moving back the page to the old name. But as I've asked I would like not to be called and LTA, sockpuppet or troll, since I'm simply not one, and I kindly urge you to stop categorizing me as so. What happened on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia should stay there, and it was solely an administrative decision (decisão administrativa) with no reflections on other projects (for instance, I have several flags on Commons, such as autopatroll and rollback).

Regards,

RodRabelo7 (talk) 13:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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Phocas Software page deletion - is it best to write a new page based on Wiki template or address issues on existing page

Hi Liz I work for Phocas Software and we were shocked to see the page deleted. The company has a rich history in Australia, UK and USA and was accredited as a B Corp business in 2021. We have also grown and added financial planning to the BI platform. We would love to be reinstated to Wikipedia. Can you please give us some advice on what's the best approach? Write a new page based on your template or provide 3rd party evidence of the growth, new products and commitment to the environment? Thanks Katrina Kat CN (talk) 23:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Mawqef Micro

First off, I am not a new editor. I have been a prolific Wikipedia editor since 2005. I added an IMDb link to the Mawqef Micro page and updated its information to reflect the fact that the second season aired in 2016, as confirmed by the show's official YouTube page. I really don't see why you reverted that. I mean, I hadn't noticed that Category:2016 Syrian television series endings didn't exist, but there was really no need to remove the IMDb link and the brief sentence about the show's second season.--LadybugStardust (talk) 01:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Quantum economics

Hi, the page quantum economics was proposed for deletion on April 9 and then a decision was made to merge with econophysics on April 16. The reason proposed for deletion was that this is a fringe subject, however as I noted on April 15, the subject has its own journal with a top academic publisher (Sage Publishing). It seems that the editors were unaware of this, but there was no response or discussion, and instead a decision to merge with econophysics was made. This choice appears to be due to a single article an editor found on "quantum econophysics". However the field is not normally considered a branch of econophysics, and the expression "quantum econophysics" is unusual especially in more recent works. So it seems the proposal to delete or merge the article was not based on good information, and the decision was rushed through without a balanced discussion. Can you please revisit the decision to merge? I have added some references to the page which include established journals and secondary sources. Also if a merger is to be made, it would seem more logical to merge quantum finance (which has its own page) with quantum economics, since the latter has many applications in finance but is more general. Sjm3 (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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No rush whatsoever. Star Mississippi 02:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

Got it. Thanks for clueing me in. So much I don't know about what's going on here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Tagging blocked socks

Hello, I have noticed that you have reverted by edits on blocked socks of User:JayCubby. However, I believe that those edits would be overall beneficial to the project, despite rules saying otherwise. It would save time for other editors looking for a reason to why they were blocked, and it is not misleading or untruthful in anyway. I have done this on several occasions, and have not been told this until now. I hope you consider my argument and thank you! 2003 LN6 06:11, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Explanation for CSD tags on Windows 8.3

Hi! Sorry if my CSD tags were a bit confusing, as for some reason we can't use subcriteria when adding several criteria at once. I intended to delete it under the other G3 (hoax, rather than vandalism). The creation of these nonexistent Windows 8.x pages (in reality, versions stopped at 8.1) is typical of User talk:13.234.2FortytwoUser, who, on top of the obvious username similarities, has been recently active and socking. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 5#Draft:Windows 8.4 for an example of a redirect of them that was speedy deleted. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 08:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Runiversalis

Greetings, what was the procedure and why this article, Runiversalis, is in main space, given it was decided to "draftify" it - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Runiversalis ? Thanks! ManyAreasExpert (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Quantum economics

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Autostrad (band)

Thanks for closing the AfD and removing the salt tag. Would you also unprotect Autostrad so Autostrad (band) can be moved there? Now that there's consensus to keep the article, we can remove the unnecessary disambiguator. Thanks! Jfire (talk) 03:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jfire,

 Done 3 1/2 years closing AFDs and this is the first time I've seen this happen. The sources must have become available that weren't around years ago. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Q-Be

Hi Liz! A few days ago you reverted my edits (1, 2) at Q-Be with the reason Reverting edits. Don't change an article to a redirect and then nominate it for AFD. It's a redirect now, not an article. I've read up a bit more on various guidelines and I understand your reasoning, so thank you for reverting – I agree I shouldn't have nominated the redirect for deletion.

However, you said "It's a redirect now", but you reverted both of my edits, including the one that turned the page into a redirect. Was this intentional? My view is that the page should be a redirect to MobiBLU DAH-1500i because the Q-BE is just a rebranded version of the same product.

The reason I'm bringing this up here is because I was about to modify my AFD nomination to remove the note about the Q-BE article for the reason you gave in your edit, but I realised that Q-Be isn't even a redirect anymore: it's now just an article. If you did mean to remove the redirect then I think the article should be deleted per the reasoning in my nomination, but if you didn't mean to remove the redirect then I'll need to remove it from my nomination because, like you say, I shouldn't have nominated it after changing it to a redirect.

Hopefully I've phrased this right – I completely agree with your reasoning, but I am genuinely unsure about whether you meant to revert both edits as you acknowledged the page's new status as a redirect in your edit summary.

Thanks. AlexGallon (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

As I have still not received a response on this, I have restored my edit that changed the article to a redirect, but not the edit that nominated it for deletion. I will also edit my nomination to remove mention of the redirect. AlexGallon (talk) 22:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Userfication

Hi, Liz, since you deleted my article Jacek Deniz Troshupa without warning, would you be able to userify the article or draftify it so I can improve it or add to BalkanianActuality's draft? Thank you for your time, Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Das osmnezz,

Can you give me an exact link to the deleted page so I can see the reason why it was deleted? By the way, I tried to get to your Contributions to find this out and wound up on your User page. I'm not sure what the problem there is but doing this crashed my laptop SEVEN times! I had my browser open with a tab to your User page, the browser window would automatically open to that page and, BAM! my computer shut down and was unresponsive. I kept rebooting the laptop, opening Chrome and the browser window would open again and again crash. This didn't happen with any other Wikipedia page. Do you have too much content on that page? Do you know why it would cause problems when people try to load the page? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, that is very odd, the page was Jacek Deniz Troshupa and was deleted cuz of G4 but I was surprised cuz the page is drastically different source wise to the deleted page that was deleted 5 years ago. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 02:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Liz:, Please see the above response. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail

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Fisherman's Memorial (Palacios, Texas)

Hi Liz, was this page deleted? I don't understand what happened to it. Thanks. CusterDome (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CusterDome,

If you ever have a question about where an article is, either go to the previous location, which will tell you if it had been moved, or go to your Contributions page. I moved this article to Draft:Fisherman's Memorial (Palacios, Texas) because it was a draft article and you moved it to project space, Wikipedia:Fisherman's Memorial (Palacios, Texas). Project space is a namespace for policies, guidelines and noticeboards, not articles. So, I moved it to an appropriate location. But if you look at Wikipedia:Fisherman's Memorial (Palacios, Texas) it will say exactly what happened at the top of the page. I hope this answers your question. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:18, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply. I mean to publish the article in mainspace. Is it okay to go ahead and do this? CusterDome (talk) 02:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mastering engineer

As everyone (including the nom) is in agreement, wouldn't it make the most sense to close the discussion as keep instead of relisting (though if you really wanted to, you could IAR and place an {{Afd-merge to}} template on Mastering (audio) to spare the effort of opening a talk page discussion, though I understand if that is undesireable)? Mach61 23:37, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mach61,

As long as editors are asking for a Merge that is not possible within the limits of this AFD, there is no consensus I can close on. I can't do a reverse Merge of an article that has not been nominated so, as I believe I said, editors have to change to "Keep", let the AFD close and then they can pursue the Merge they want to see happen. I might leave this discussion for another closer to handle. I definitely won't relist it again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, all of the voters except the nominator have now changed their vote to keep - that's 3 votes to keep against the nom, seems reasonable to consider closing as keep. BrigadierG (talk) 22:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BrigadierG,

I don't review every open AFD every day but I'll check this one out and if it hasn't been closed yet, I'll see if I can take care of it. Thanks for the update. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

April 2024

It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. Tetrainn (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Tetrainn,

Can you give me examples of this "canvassing" so that I know what the hell you are talking about? What "community decision, debate or vote" does this concern and on which users' talk pages did I notify them of this discussion? Please be specific. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Hey man im josh#WP:DRAFTIFY Tetrainn (talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

the hell I have provided above, look properly. Don't show your attitude here. Be civil and respectful. I am not your servant. Tetrainn (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. But talking about another editor and a dispute doesn't qualify as a "an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote" so canvassing doesn't apply. If we used your example then no editors could mention other editors on another user talk page which happens every day here. My own talk page is full of messages from one editor talking about other editors. And that's what I'll say if you escalate this further but I'll warn you that that decision might not end well for you. Not with your kind of attitude. That's just what I've seen over 10 years here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tetrainn: I fail to see how Liz was trying to influence a discussion when asking for assistance in enforcing community consensus. I also still feel comfortable in acting if you continues to violate community consensus, especially after explicit warnings against doing so. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Liz and Hey man im josh see bureaucracy. I will not waste my time arguing with you people, but being a *trusted* editor here its my responsibility to point out ongoing canvassing, as I already knew your fans would come to defend you. But be careful next time. This will not be the case every time. My final note: If the community can make you sysop, it reserves the power to desysop you too........ Tetrainn (talk) 21:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tetrainn: Please feel free to look for support in having me de-sysopped, that is your right to do so. To be clear, your threat will not dissuade me from enforcing community consensus. Your related statements of "trusted editor" are also, frankly, meaningless. We are all expected to work within the lines of policy and within what the community has deemed acceptable. As mentioned, you are misunderstanding canvassing. Keep it simple. Stop moving pages older than 90 days to draft space. That's it, it's very simple, take another route (AfD or PROD). Hey man im josh (talk) 21:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:SOCKLEGIT

Hello, Liz. Apologies if this is the wrong place to inquire, but I have some questions about legitimate uses of alternative accounts on Wikipedia before I do anything further. Outside of Wikipedia I am doing volunteer work with secondary school students (but am not employed by any educational institution) and I would like to use an alternative account to teach my students how to edit on Wikipedia. In the process I hope to assist them in creating their own articles. I have created an alternative account, Mr. J. F. Lee for this particular endeavor and to maintain my privacy in real life. I have, however, not done anything on that account beyond making my user page declaring my link to my main account (this account). I am aware of WP:COI.

So, a couple questions:

1. Is the proper procedure to create articles on my alternative account since WP:COI states one should not review articles they have a COI in? Or should I not edit or create possible COI articles at all? I am in direct contact with students who may create articles about their school.
2. Because my reason for creating another account is privacy, am I allowed to link to my alternative account on my main account but not to my main account on my alternative account?
3. I do not receive any monetary or material compensation for my potential work with the students as I am a community volunteer and not an employee of any educational institution. Do I have to prove this fact to the administration team, and if so, how might I do that?

Other questions will surely arise from me, but they escape my mind at the moment. I am trying to make sure I have a proper understanding of these guidelines and that I receive a green-light from an administrator before I open pandora's box. Thank you for your time, and have a great rest of your weekend. Yue🌙 21:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Chuck Pratt (bird)

Hi Liz, it's a hoax as there is zero evidence that the characters are named "Chuck Pratt"[26] or "Red Jack Bird"[27]. Having one of them wrong might have been some typo, but having both wrong? That's just making things up, i.e. a hoax. Fram (talk) 08:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not dead yet

Hi Liz. Yeah, it's me. Have you used the "Move" special page recently? Maybe admins have a different interface? Anyway, "Move to mainspace" is one of the options that appear in the Reason dropdown. If that lingo is no longer in fashion, presumably there's a way to edit it somehow?

Could you move SAE J2807 back to the Wikpedia space? Thanks. NE Ent 11:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Why do you want it in project space?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't. I meant article space. I may not be dead but my WP skills have definitely atrophied. It took me way too long to figure out [[ & [ | (internal, external links) NE Ent 13:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Illustation provided... FWIW, I'm now embarrassed to admit I have always called it mainspace too  :) Classic Holy Grail reference though. "See you Thursday!" ——Serial Number 54129 13:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Help Revive or Restore Blue Embrace Band Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Embrace_Band

deleted page was an actual and updated version of the Band Blue Embrace.

Thank you in advance Lamusicund (talk) 16:47, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lamusicund,

Answered below. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Kelsey-Hayes Company

Hi Liz, hope you are well? I noticed your edit and revert on my page. I sent that back to drafts from main space. I don’t know how close it is to the version you deleted. Don’t know if you want to compare and nuke the draft? Have a great day. Equine-man (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

N. Koppelman

I learned by looking at the history of Fedir Bohatyrchuk that a redlink to N. Koppelman was unlinked because that article has been deleted. Now I am curious to see the article about Koppelman, or what it looked like before it was deleted. I used the search box at WP:AfD but it didn't find that. Where might I look for it? Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:Zootopia (Disney Parks)

Hey Liz,

I'm wondering why you marked a category as empty here when it had one entry in it (it has since been reverted by an IP). Please elaborate. Maybe you meant to mark it as something else?

If you reply, please ping me. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie: I’m not Liz, but (from what I can see) when the category was marked as empty, it was empty - the same IP added that category to Zootopia: Hot Pursuit before removing the {{db-catempty}} notice. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 05:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I see. Understood. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at User talk:Vajzë Blu § Archiving your talk page

 You are invited to join the discussion at User talk:Vajzë Blu § Archiving your talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz. Perhaps you can help this user out. They mucked up archiving their user talk page, and probably all that needs to be done is for them to swap pages. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to you both! :) Vajzë Blu (talk) 23:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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Perhaps time to archive your talk page? It's getting a bit long and large... Fram (talk) 14:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

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Please restore my talk page

I tried to archive my talk page and I guess I did something wrong. I am so frustrated because I keep trying to do things by the rules but I don't seem to be able to understand them. But I'll keep trying! This is where my talk page went https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vajz%C3%AB_Blu_1&action=edit&redlink=1 By the way your Kittehmaster image is cute and got me to smile! :) Vajzë Blu (talk) 19:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

If you could undelete my archived talk page and move it where it should be I sure would appreciate it! :) Vajzë Blu (talk) 03:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't see that you'd already done that for me! Thanks! Vajzë Blu (talk) 18:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Presbyterian Reformed Church (North America)

I am surprised that an article which has been around for years about a denomination which has existed since 1965 and was founded under the direct influence of a relatively major figure in conservative Calvinistic theological circles, John Murray (theologian) can be deleted suddenly in a period of 7 days.

The denomination is listed as a member body of North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council on its Wikipedia page, a council which includes the second-largest Presbyterian denomination in the United States, the Presbyterian Church in America.

You may say that articles are not prepared professionally, but you have to remember that once upon a time Wikipedia advertised itself as "the encyclopedia that anyone can edit" - little did we know back then that this would become "anyone who knows how to jump through the hoops" that would later be enforced by people who by their own admission "delete many pages every day". I was once sickened when my detailed article on a late 19th/early 20th century Scottish Christian leader of very wide influence was deleted and replaced by a present day sporting figure who will no doubt be rapidly forgotten. I frankly don't understand what the motive is of people who delete any but the most frivolous articles. It's not as if extra articles are doing any harm - and just because they are about things or people way outside the knowledge of most, does not mean that they are not important in their context. For instance it has been suggested that the Presbyterian Reformed Church may be the only indigenous North American denomination which holds to the original 17th century Puritan Westminster Confession of Faith - most Presbyterian denominations hold to a modified American form instead, which is important in the context of the relationship between church and state, something in which American history differs somewhat from that of the countries from which its people largely originated, and which is a matter of live debate at the present day. PeterR2 (talk) 01:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Seems an odd coincidence but today someone else (Dclemens1971) has started the process for deletion of Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States, and I actually got an email about this one before it happened (I only had notification on the Presbyterian Reformed Church after deletion). I had suggested on its talk page back in 2020 that it should be deleted because as far as I could tell it no longer existed in any public way, if at all, unlike the Presbyterian Reformed Church. PeterR2 (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Refund

Hi Liz, can you restore this Abhishek Kumar article, i want to add new work of this person. Xegma(talk) 07:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz, Can you hear me ? Xegma(talk) 06:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Faysal Aziz Khan

Hello - while I respect your judgment, but I believe this promotional BLP should have been soft deleted. Despite noting that the page was PROD'd, I highlighted that it was the creator of this BLP who made the PROD request. Even if we discount the votes from IPs (SPAs), the BLP still falls short of meeting the notability criteria, both WP:GNG and specifically WP:JOURNALIST. And additionally, though there's no concrete evidence of paid editing, Faizanalivarya's admission of editing BLPs on behalf of subjects suggest a potential COI scenario which also raises some concerns as well. sincerely —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

After this, I'm starting to feel like you might think IPs - commented keep - on this AfD were mine too. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 23:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Closing AfDs

Hi I have been part of couple of AfDs that I think you have closed incorrectly.

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islam and Arabic language: closed as “Dratify” but the bot indicates that you put it down as “UNDETERMINED”
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gretchen Wieners: closed as “merge” although all the votes indicated “redirect” which what happened.
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mac Taylor: closed as “merge” when the majority of the votes indicated “Delete”

Can you please fix these retroactively unless you are exercising some kind of WP:Supervote in all of them without an explanation FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@FuzzyMagma I'm not Liz, but just noting undetermined is a known bug of AfC closer script. Draft:Islam and Arabic language exists per Liz's move following the close. Star Mississippi 03:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

might have been the typo in "draftify" actually, it happens ;), I think it should be fixed now. I don't really see to much of a difference between a "merge" and "redirect" close in the two other cases mentioned though? (I am, of course, also not Liz but a (talk page stalker)) Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

If merge and redirect are the same, then it might be beneficial to fix how the AfD scoring is done. Performance in AfDs is held against editors when they apply for privileges FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

@FuzzyMagma mind linking me to what this AfD scoring is? I have no privileges to apply for but am curious as I'm not familiar with it. Thanks @Alpha3031 for that link. I also wonder if it's because it's a custom option and not one of the built ins. I see it a lot in my contributions. @Liz hope all is or will be well soon. Star Mississippi 13:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

This is yours. It is checked even when you want to become an admin (like yourself), but typically for when you ask to become a New pages reviewer, see the "Guidelines for granting" section (point 2). FuzzyMagma (talk) 13:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

oh that's fascinating. Thank you @FuzzyMagma Star Mississippi 03:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FuzzyMagma,

Right now, I'm just doing some basic editing because I'm on my phone in the hospital ER for the past 5 hours. But when I get back to my laptop at home, I'll review these closures. I do sometimes do an ATD as an option if it has been brought up by a discussion participant so it's not a Super Vote. But give me a little more time here. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Liz FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Zhang Jingyi (actress)

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Zhang Jingyi (actress) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, images, a rephrasing of the title, a question that should have been asked at the help or reference desks, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. NoCringe (talk) 09:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, NoCringe,

Yeah, no, I don't think so. I just did an article page move that was requested and this left behind a redirect. So, A3 is not valid because it is not an article. Maybe you should spend some time reviewing WP:CSD so you understand the speedy deletion criteria better. But thanks for the editing tips, after 10 years here I might need a refresher. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I was trying to fix the interlanguage wikidata for said actress and messed up with the deletion request. Thanks for the link to WP:CSD I will read up on it!NoCringe (talk) 04:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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I came back, again. Wowza!

Oh wow. Hey, @Liz. I decided to come back to Wikipedia. You're probably thinking it's because I regret doing that or something, but no. My project is done. Speaking about your reply about Wikibreak and a word (I forgot what is it, lol), I'd definitely take it as an advice. Thanks, anyways.

And that's all.

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Hello, Ayzkao,

Well, welcome back. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit to the List of biochemists

I was tempted to make the same change about a week ago, but wasn't sure of my ground. I didn't realize that the linked article was proposed for deletion. Athel cb (talk) 08:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Forgiveness

Hello Liz, I had never thought you'do be angry per my comment in that AFD. You can't see that comment that way—as bad. In any regards, I just realized it isn't good and all I please is forgiveness. You know I can't also berate you or at other editor, when you were one of those good faith and advisors who if not for the word, "calm down", I could have landed in ANI or there about. Unless you respond that you are no more angry, I will keep begging. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

U5 deletions

Please undelete User:Thegreatcool/sandbox and User:Masgatotkaca/sandbox. Since both users have several hundred edits outside userspace U5 can't possibly apply. Thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Pppery I'm not Liz, but I will add that U5 lists writings not related to Wikipedia's goals. I would give them the benefit of the doubt. (PS it's 23:14 in Liz time) thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Benefit of the doubt in the sense that they forgot about the little to no edits part. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sigh. Are you (TheTechie) wilfully ignoring the actual text of the criterion? Pages in userspace consisting of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals, where the owner has made few or no edits outside of user pages [...] You can't cherry-pick language like thta to justify clearly invalid deletions, and I've caught you trying to do so several times before. And as an admin with over half a million deletions Liz is clearly aware of what the requirements for speedy deletions are. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I'm not willfully ignoring. I said let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they forgot about that part of the U5 criterion. That's all. Thanks --- thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:19, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	This is probably belated but...thank you for all of the admin and non-admin work you do here. I appreciate, as I think others do too, your tireless work in helping this wiki. (PS I recommend archiving your talk page, I see quite a lot of threads.) Enjoy your evening! :) thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on a page moved back to draft

Hi Liz, you moved Empowering Consumers for the Green Transition back to drafts, I'm looking for feedback. I understand there would have been some discussion of this before the move, but as a basic newbie I don't know where to look. There's nothing on the talk page. I'll declare my interest, these are students of mine and I think they've done good work so I'd like to take the article forward to mainspace if I can get some feedback on what needs to be improved. Thanks. Bcndz5 (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Please restore page Draft:Harriet Pullen

Hi there! I wanted to reach out to see if you would please restore my Draft page for Harriet Pullen. It was marked for speedy deletion under CSD G13...I believe this page contact still merits creation and now have time to complete it. Please let me know if you have any concerns! Thanks.

CamrynBell (talk) 18:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

There is already a main space article called Harriet Pullen. See also WP:RFUD. EdJohnston (talk) 18:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CamrynBell,

I don't think there is a point in restoring this page as it was just a blank page with no content on it. That's why it was deleted as a Test page as it wasn't an article draft. I'd work on the main space version (thank you, EdJohnston), or if your "Harriet Pullen" is a different person with the same name, start a new draft. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Please Restore Page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Embrace_Band

Deleted page was an actual and updated version of the Band Blue Embrace and not related to previous pages as stated Thank youLamusicund (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lamusicund,

I looked at both the AFD deleted article, Blue Embrace and this article, Blue Embrace Band, and they looked virtually identical to me. The AFD was subject to a Deletion review, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 July 30, but you can file an appeal on your own at Wikipedia:Deletion review if you believe the AFD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Embrace, wasn't closed correctly.

I think a better use of your time would be to work on a new draft version and submit it to Articles for Creation. This is the best way to overcome a past AFD Delete decision. Putting a version you copied from a Wikipedia mirror site into main space will result in a speedy deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Katya Kan

Hi, Katya passed away recently, and since I was an acquaintance of hers, I was wondering if you might share with me the contents of the Wikipedia page about her that you deleted in 2020? I am not contesting the deletion - merely interested in its contents for personal reasons. ʈɧɛ fɨʂɧ (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ʈɧɛ fɨʂɧ,

I have restored this article and moved it to User:The Fish/Katya Kan. It was speedy deleted twice so it needs some work if you are going to attempt to move it back to main space. Good luck! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. ʈɧɛ fɨʂɧ (talk) 07:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 April 30

Hi! Not your deletion, but since we discussed Saira Shah Halim following my deletion (also not being queried, so I don't feel this is canvassing), I linked our discussion there. Courtesy heads up, and no action needed unless you choose to participate. Star Mississippi 02:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

Thank you for alerting me. I'm so behind on responding to messages here. I found out a week or so ago that a well-meaning editor was telling new editors to come here with their problems, I get a lot of traffic here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Re Draft:Front of house moves

These need to be restored to article space where they were unilaterally and improperly moved by a user whose competence for moving pages you've already questioned on their talk pages. In short, they need to be restored to the status quo ante bellum, considering the "bellum" was a mess up by someone who didn't know what they were doing. Based on their move summary, it looks Like they wanted to do a wholesale replacement of the existing article text with a draft on their user space sandbox, without discussion, and are attempting to do that by improperly moving a main space article to draft space and then overwriting the deleted redirect. They need to be stopped immediately and their improper moves undone. oknazevad (talk) 04:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, oknazevad,

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. If you look at the Move log, this student editor had been moving around a lot of pages with this title, from User space to main space to draft space. I should have looked closer at this page's history. I reverted their most recent edits but they also did some work a few months ago. It would help if you could look it over. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention so I could fix it. Is there anything else that needs to be undo/restored? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I think it's okay now. The rest of it can be taken care of in normal editing. I do have to question whether or not the editor in question lacks the competence to be involved in these matters, based on the quality of their edits (or lack thereof) and their obvious errors, but I'm going to assume good faith that it's just inexperience o their part. oknazevad (talk) 04:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, oknazevad,

Well, CathStudies is a student editor and my experience with them, for good or for ill, is that 95% of them disappear after the school term is over. Very few student editors stick around to do any editing once the course is over. So, I don't think there are any long-term concerns to worry about. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the inexperience is obvious, but I hope they learn. New editors should always be welcome. oknazevad (talk) 01:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Welsh slave traders

Hi Liz,

Please delete the Category:Welsh slave trades; it was an unfortunate typo on my part. Regards, DonBeroni (talk) 17:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DonBeroni,

No problem. This happens fairly often with categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Investigation on someone

Hello Liz. How are you doing.

I need you and some others to investigate on this wikipedian Saqib. He is constantly deleting my articles and he first adds nobility to it and the next he nominates it for delete. He previously also accused me of Sockpuppeter and also though I have connections with someone but I said that I don't have any connection. He is trying to make me block from wikipedia. I have started wikipedia in 2020 and this is my only account which I use till now. I am purely contributing to Pakistani Entertainment. I take sources from newspaper, books, magazine and interviews.

He thinks that my sources are not fine and keeps saying they are not significant but these sources are used in other Pakistani articles as well. I did a litte bit of my search on Saqib and I learned that he has previously did this thing also on other users as well such as deleting their works like of Faizan Munawar Varya whose articles he also deleted. I saw their converison Reporting User Saqib for Harrasing other Users on Administrators' noticeboard in April 21, 2024.

Please do some investigation on Saqib.

Thank you. Have a very wonderful day. (12:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC))

Hello, BeauSuzanne,

First, please be sure you correctly sign all messages you leave on talk page. Secondly, I don't consider my activities on Wikipedia as "investigations" but I'll look over their contributions. :Could you perhaps look over their criticism and see if there is any truth to it? There is a possibility that they have a valid point about your articles and it is just being delivered in a hostile way. I know what it's like to feel targeted but they might have a reasonable concern about your work and some improvements you might make to your editing skills. But I'll see if the attention is verging on harassment.

But if you came to an admin looking for someone to deliver a swift block on someone you are in a dispute with, you came to the wrong administrator. That's not how I operate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz. I'm not talking about blocking but I only want to investigate on him. I don't know anyone here so that I could have told them to investigate. I will look again at everything and check everything.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC))

Hello, BeauSuzanne,

Well, often when some editors get in a fierce dispute they would rather try to get the other editor blocked than talk out the issues. But I'm sorry if I made an incorrect assumption here. I'll get to this tomorrow. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

It's alright no worries :). Thanks for your help.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 08:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC))

Help with italic title

Hi Liz. I just came across the article on Hayley Mills and its title is oddly italicized. As you know articles about people are not italicized. I've been trying to figure out how to change this, but I can't seem to find a way. Any help fixing this would be much appreciated. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

It was the {{Infobox album}} near the end of the article. —Cryptic 21:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 4meter4,

Thanks to Cryptic who provided an answer. To be honest, I'm not the best admin to come to when there are format/technical concerns. You'd have a speedier response approaching a content creator who is familiar with templates or even go to WP:VPT where there are usually pretty quick responses. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/Tanmoy Roy

Hi, Liz. I started an AFD on the page Tanmoy Roy and everyone has agreed that it should be deleted, and I think we're starting to approach a WP:SNOW close at this point. Let me know your thoughts and I'll respond back ASAP. Thanks. (please  mention me on reply) NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Will this obscure toy line qualify for inclusion on WP?

An article on Woodsey--a very obscure toy line produced by Fisher-Price at the turn of the 1980s--has sat idle in my article sandbox for a decade and a half. At this writing, the only coverage thereof is the barest of a one-line mention in the "Historic brands and products" section of its company's article.

Coming back to it this season as I clean out the sandbox one topic at a time (while transitioning to a brand-new AFC queue), I've found three--make that six--usable citations so far from the fishwrap morgue (via WP:Library) that may be enough for a standalone page. An ambitious task given that most of the WP Library hits are advertisements; if you or I can find more coverage, then we'll remind you!

Like I said...very obscure.

Toys

• Jinkins, Shirley Young (1979-03-25). "Dallas Toy Show previews Christmas '79 extravaganza". West Texas Living. San Angelo Standard-Times. p. 1E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Although this brand gets a one-paragraph description here, this is pretty much the earliest mention anywhere.)
• "This year's gift is tough: Preschool -- Play family". Anderson Independent. Anderson County, South Carolina. 1979-11-13. p. 2D. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Description of the toys, dating back to the line's launch.)
• Pywen, Martha (1980-11-17). "Toy guide for parents: 16 experts give uninhibited opinions on eight newcomers". The Cincinnati Post Accent. p. 1B. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (The line, as the "Woodseys' Log House", is profiled here [with a related picture atop the article].)
• "New toys at library". The Sun Times. Owen Sound, Ontario. 1981-08-14. p. F12. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. ("Fisher-Price has produced two sequels to the Woodsey family house, the Woodsey Store and the Woodsey Airport.")

Books

• Sanders, Linda (1981-11-15). "Books: Woodsey series for children almost too good to be true". The Clarion-Ledger. Jackson, Mississippi. p. 18G. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Mostly positive review of the four-book set, entitled the "Woodsey Log Library".)
• B.H.H. (1980-12-20). "Favorites for young". World of Books. The Anniston Star. Anniston, Alabama. p. 8E. Retrieved 2024-05-02 – via Newspapers.com. (Paperback reprints are reviewed; again, mostly positive.)

It might as well be an understatement that this quoted excerpt from one of those tie-in books--Uncle Filbert Saves the Day, the one I've always remembered from my primary-school youth in the Commonwealth of Dominica--aptly serves as a metaphor for my efforts those past several days, and (on a wider scale) for those committed to upholding WP's RS/notability expectations no matter the subject, vintage, demographic, or obscurity. (H/T Etsy product pics.)

"When will he [Filbert] settle down?" said Mama [Milkweed], shaking her head.

"Sometimes you have to run up many trees to find the right branch," said Papa, who often said things that took a while to understand.

But cute and daredeviling as he is, don't expect a separate Uncle Filbert article anytime soon, though...

Once this appeal gets the go-ahead, I'll put this straight in the mainspace--something I hardly ever do nowadays thanks to AFC.

Speaking of old-school cottagecore, I have a Bethany Roberts draft to revive soon enough--blame recent Miraheze duties for the oversight.

All the best...

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Please have a look at this AfD closure

Please have a look at this AfD closure. For me it was wrong closure as each of KEEP & DELETE got 3 votes excluding the nomination. Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Twinkle1990,

Before I possibly get involved, have you approached the closer? That is the first step you should take. If you believe their decision was in error or shouldn't have been closed by a non-admin, outline your reasons ask if they would consider a reversion of the closure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz. I contacted them And they answered {{"he marginally satisfies the WP:GNG. One delete !vote believed that she had not received sustained coverage and that The available coverage is limited in depth, often focusing on her arrest for hate speech or her association with notable figures, rather than any significant achievements or unique contributions.".

Can you WP:BOLD? Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2024

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• Phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship review has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including creating a discussion-only period (3b) and administrator elections (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as creating a reminder of civility norms (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the full report.

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• Partial action blocks are now in effect on the English Wikipedia. This means that administrators have the ability to restrict users from certain actions, including uploading files, moving pages and files, creating new pages, and sending thanks. T280531

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List of people from Hamilton, Ontario

Your recent edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_from_Hamilton,_Ontario&diff=next&oldid=1214990356 left behind half a reference. Please fix it. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 02:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 76.14.122.5,

XFDcloser usually handles these removals appropriately. I've reverted my edit. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Floriana First draft

Hi there, I understand you had to follow rules on drafts so I won't complain / blame. But could I have the source code restored to my userspace please or via another method? Thanks very much Mtonna257 (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mtonna257,

Can you give me a link to the exact deleted page? Then I won't have to search for it. That will speed things up as I will be on and off Wikipedia over the next few days. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

It was, Draft:Floriana First. Thanks! Mtonna257 (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy

Would you mind restoring the recently deleted Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy to User:ZLEA/sandbox/Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy? I'm going to try to find sources and at least salvage the content in another article. - ZLEA _T\^C 15:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ZLEA,

Saw your message, happy to get to it later today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've taken care of this for you, ZLEA. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Extraordinary Writ: Thanks! - ZLEA _T\^C 22:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Why did u delete analog to digital timeline

Why did u delete analog to digital timeline Hope oh uh, Merry chrus the crushing mas 19:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Merry chrus, Liz deleted Analog-to-digital timeline because there was a consensus among editors that it wasn't an appropriate topic for a list. You can read the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Analog-to-digital timeline to see people's reasoning for supporting deletion. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ami Dror (2nd nomination)

Hi @Liz: a non-admin editor who has no clue has closed it a keep on a contentious Afd. I was planing to address a comment to it. Can you reopen it. scope_creep^Talk 20:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liz, I've been BOLD and undid the closure with an edit summary, and leaving it to your or other admins' discretion. Courtesy pinging @Scope creep. X (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Tracking categories

Those 3 categories that you nominated for deletion. I'd only created them less than three hours earlier. Will be needing them slightly longer than that. However, in a day or two, they won't be needed anymore and I'll delete them. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Jet Fuel Formula history restoration

Hi. Don't worry, this isn't some kind of nagging for an undeletion, but I use Jet Fuel Formula almost daily and as soon as I saw it deleted, wondered why it wasn't simply turned into a redirect with retrievable and 'bookmarkable' history intact. No dice, and while I was pleased that User:DrPepperIsNotACola recreated it as a redirect, that user stated that they don't have the power to restore histories. Could you please restore the history, and if you feel the need to still wall it off from restoration, make it a protected redirect? Thanks.2605:59C8:150D:D610:F9F3:D983:872E:1CB7 (talk) 23:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It's because it was deleted at the AfD discussion located here @DrPepperIsNotACola then turned it into a redirect NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 17:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I noticed it was completely deleted and then a redirect of the same title was put in place, hence the history is gone and the current redirect history is a single entry unrelated to the original. Technically, unless an admin did some something fancy, getting back the history would require at least a brief undeletion of only a matter of seconds before it was turned back into a redirect, if need be with one of those padlock thingies.

Not to gripe, but I do so wish that were a more common practice, thereby allowing the deletion to stand and the content still be there for weirdos people like me to take a peek or use the content. Everyone's happy. Cake. Eat. Too. (Then there's the matter of someone post-deletion wanting to move the content to elsewhere - like fandom/wikia - but being unable to since the history is gone, or being unable to save the content for their own personal use and can't because they missed their only chance…)98.97.14.142 (talk) 02:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm kind of going through a lot right now. I will be glad to help you when my life stops circling round the drain. Not sure when that will be but it won't be during the next 48 hours where I'm sitting with a relative on hospice care. Please do not take this personally. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:21, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks once again and it is much appreciated. Sorry to hear about the relative in hospice care.

For years when I saw redirects (usually for TV series characters and episodes), I would check to see if there was a history. Sometimes I'd find it used to be only a stub, other times a respectable article that nevertheless was determined best to remain only as a redirect (likely due to it being considered excessive fancruft?). Still, many times it had no visible history to speak of and I was left wondering if the history got wiped out in the decision to delete it and then make it a redirect. When I bothered to check if it got Waybacked, the answer was all too often that the article did once contain quite a bit of info and I don't understand why there was no effort made to preserve a history. Seems harmless.

This particular Rocky & Bullwinkle episode list was different for me since I used it so frequently, and while I of course could just continue on independent of wikipedia by using the (several month old) Waybacked version or the harder to browse list at thetvdb.com, I felt the need to speak up since it seemed indicative of what I consider a bigger problem of an unnecessary purging of histories that could easily live on. It allows for everything from casual reading & browsing of what used to be as well as more thorough saving, copying, or even article export for a new home at a user page or different wiki. 2605:59C8:150D:D610:9C68:F5E4:C9BD:6D3E (talk) 21:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Is this still being worked on? (Figured I'd give it a month before replying, if still needed.) If you'd like, I can put this in as a WP:RFU, with the above caveats about it not being a real undeletion request, but just about history restoration. Thanks. 2605:59C8:150D:D610:8190:37E8:EE45:E490 (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for deleted article

Hi @Liz, please don't be angry. I want you to assist me restore this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ndifreke Ukpong and move it to draft.

Usimite (talk) 12:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Liz, answering parallel request on my Talk here for centralization.

Hi @Usimite. Articles deleted as advertising, which this was, are generally not restored. Can you please advise how you became aware of a deletion discussion that closed before you had this account? cc @Drmies Star Mississippi 15:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

i saw it on article deletion related to Nigeria. I saw this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen Tedja too. I never wanted to create them directly, that's why I reach out to admin because I'm new to wikipedia. Usimite (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Usimite, that is little short of miraculous--or unlikely. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

That's what I thought as well @Drmies. I'm guessing Nansyy wie stale but let me know if you think it's worth paperwork. b Star Mississippi 02:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Star Mississippi, I don't know--yes, maybe, I guess. I had a look (and rolled up one set of socks--look at User:CharlesTaze34, but they were not this one) and found a multitude of accounts on a few ranges in Spamland, but there is so much that I really don't know what to do with it. I just see that Spicy has kindly checked (thank you!) on an account that pops up continuously in my checks, including this one; Spicy, I hope I'm paraphrasing you correctly when I say that this is just really difficult or tricky, given how busy it is. So, Star Mississippi, maybe there's just no point in it. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

@Drmies and Star Mississippi: FWIW, Usimite was indeffed today at wikidata, where their manual edits triggered an LTA filter for Ndifreke Ukpong. Their manual edits there seem a bit precocious, especially for one claiming to be but a simple editor who wishes only to contribute to articles about Akwa Ibom State. This AFD "keep", for an article by another new SPA, also strikes me as a bit out-of-the-blue. Sorry Liz, for conducting a pre-SPI here. Wikishovel (talk) 18:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Shocked, utterly shocked! LOL

Thanks for the background @Drmies & @Wikishovel. I see from Bovlb's note that's this farm: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ukpong1, no wonder they found me after some discussions I hadn't been involved with. SPI is so hopelessly backlogged so unless Drmies or @Spicy wants to fast track it, I'm not sure paperwork is needed since will end up with a period between edits. Happy to file if someone thinks it helpful. Star Mississippi 02:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes please to an SPI, User:Star Mississippi. I'll add to it where I can. Wikishovel (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

for @Wikishovel @Drmies (and @Spicy, if interested/available): Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ndizzy4glo

Apologies Liz, we'll go elsewhere if this needs to continue Star Mississippi 18:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

ooph

I've never kicked the can down the road as much as I did with today's log. This lack of participation overall and some niche topics. Yuck. Just venting. There are no answers as you well know. Star Mississippi 14:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

I know what you mean, I don't like to relist AFD discussions but when you have a handful of people making valid arguments on both sides (or unruly discussions with editors all over the map), well, I see more No Consnsus closures in the future. Which can mean more visits to DRV my favorite place on the project.

We got a temporary boost in discussion closers when I made a comment on AN about it about a month ago but we also need more thoughtful discussion participants. But people burn out, especially those who are frequntly arguing to Keep articles. But you know all of this, too so I won't repeat myself. We should consider a discussion board for venting or maybe that's what email is for! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep. I was half tempted to make a plea for participants. There was some definite IARing happening. It may be ineligible for soft deletion but two weeks of silence means what other options do we have? THanks for always listening. I'd totally be here for WP:ANVent Star Mississippi 17:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Just noting I also raised our discussion at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2002 Commonwealth Games Star Mississippi 00:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Request for Investigation of User:Saqib

Hey there, I added my articles Wonderland (Pakistani TV series) and Hook (2022 TV series) as per WP: Articles for creation and were accepted for publishing by User:ToadetteEdit, However, User:Saqib reverted the pages to draftspace. Also he has nominated several articles for deletion without giving proper rationale. Kindly look into the matter. Earlier User:BeauSuzanne also pointed out his actions which are discouraging for me to publish articles on Wikipedia. Kindly look into the matter.182.182.97.3 (talk) 14:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes I've tossed those drafts back because they're all citing unreliable sources. @Liz, fyi User_talk:ToadetteEdit#Hook_(2022_TV_series). --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

IMDb, Daily Times, Dunya News, ARY News and Daily Pakistan are unreliable? 182.182.97.3 (talk) 14:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, these can be somewhat reliable sources, but you've thrown in a bunch of unreliable ones too. Plus, even with these ones, not everything they publish would pass WP:RS. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 14:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Majority of the sources included are reliable, the coverage of the subject matters too and the citations covers it in detail.When the sources are reliable, how you can determine which one should pass and which one should not?182.182.97.3 (talk) 14:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Drmies, User:Saqib is involved in making wrong decisions. You can check, my IP doesn't match with User:BeauSuzanne. Infacf, User:Saqib is biased in exercising his administrative rights by nominating multiple articles. I'm just voicing his unjust actions, that's why he's accusing me as logged out User:BeauSuzanne. Kindly provide justice.182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

• Saqib. Please don't add my name in everything. I am not doing anything outside my account.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC))

  Exactly, User:Saqib is misusing his rights. Kindly other administrators User:Liz, User:Drmies look into the matter. 182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  I had about an hour and a half of sleep last night so I won't be doing any "investigations" of anyone right now. Feel free to contact another administrator or, even better, talk out your differnces and resolve them through on of our dispute resolution processes. Go to the Teahouse for details about them. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  Take care Liz, get some rest and recharge! —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  Take care, have a good sleep.182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Just a random question

Hey @Liz, thank you for editing Wikipedia. I was wondering, do you use a bot to archive discussions on your talk page, or is it managed through a template? Or do you handle it all manually? - Macrobreed2 (talk) 16:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Macrobreed2: It is handled by a bot. You can see the details about this at Template:Archives - UtherSRG (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! - Macrobreed2 (talk) 05:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shatha Mousa Sadiq

Any chance you could speedy keep this for me please? I found out it was just a case of the wrong article name which can be fixed out of AfD so have withdrawn, and there are no delete !votes on it. Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 20:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

DABs and such

Hello, I was hesitant to make this comment because I don't want to sound obtrusive, but I notice that when you delink deleted articles on disambiguation pages, set index articles, etc., you often leave the entry there, such as in this edit. I feel like this goes against the spirit of MOS:DABNOLINK/MOS:DABRED and similar navigational guidelines. Do you think you could take care to remove the entries completely on disambiguations, set indexes, see also sections and hatnotes when the article it's linking to has been deleted? (in the case of hatnotes, the hatnote should be removed completely if it contains only a redlink). Hopefully there's not a misunderstanding on my part. Thanks for all the work you do here! AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, where is the problem, her article has a reputation, anyway, I was not familiar with Wikipedia's rules

EHF profile

(Video of participation in national team handball matches )

1 2022 IHF Men's Beach Handball World Championship 2 Beachhandball World Championship Men3 22 ASIAN MEN'S CLUB LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP4 2022 IHF Men's Beach Handball World Championship5 25TH ASIAN MEN'S CLUB LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP

Moslem Kazemi's presence in Al-Kazme Kuwait's group stage match of the 2023 Asia Men's Handball Clubs Cup .5 (the news) :1 The presence of Moslem Kazemi in Al-Kazema and representing India 2 In the Asian Beach Handball Championship, he won the right to participate in the World Championship. 2022 Asian Beach Handball Championship men's premier league

I know I messed up, please return it :) ALIREZA HASANVAND (talk) 05:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've indeffed this editor for spamming a request to create this article. Star Mississippi 18:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Another one

Hi Liz, I am contacting you about a page you deleted: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Obese-Jecty - Wikipedia

I have read the rationale and disagree that it should have been deleted. Political candidates are subject to significant media interest and pressure. Added to which, having been a columnist at a national newspaper and a television pundit on national news in the UK the subject is more notable than those arguing for deletion suggest. The article should at least be moved into draft; as noted in the discussion it was well-written and detailed. Toadynudge (talk) 10:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• Toadynudge, hi--you did not read Liz's rationale; what you read was Liz's summary of the "delete" arguments. I see that you did not participate in the discussion. You can take this up at WP:DRV, but I have no doubt that the consensus there will be that Liz correctly closed this discussion, which is the basis for any decision by the closing/deleting administrator. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Mercuri_Urval_International

DearLiz, We have gotten our page deleted based on this log: Expired PROD, concern was: No evidence of notability - sources are not in-depth, independent coverage. MU are a 66 year old company operating world-wide and we have several sources and independent coverage to add if needed. Please let me know how to proceed to get it edited and restored. Warm regards, Sofia Sofiahl (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sofiahl,

Can you providee a link to the deleted page? Then we can see why it was deleted. It may take a while for me to respond back these days. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I have gotten help to restore it to a draft, so don't need assistance anymore. Have a great day! Sofiahl (talk) 07:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

AFD Withdrawl

Please close this AFD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicol%C3%A1s_Fern%C3%A1ndez_Miranda. I am withdrawing my nomination based on new sources discovered.Shinadamina (talk) 04:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shinadamina,

Thanks for coming to me for help but I have a lot going on in my life right now (see the header at the top of the page). If I don't get to it, I'm sure someone else will tend to it soon. Have patience. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@Shinadamina  Done ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 08:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Article Draft Removed, but article exists

Greetings. I am an administrator and bureaucrat on Wikimedia Commons. It was brought to my attention on a platform not Wiki that there is a problem with some edits on an article Donald_Young_(choir_director). As stated on that talk page,[28] I found some problems with some edits on that article and corrected as many as I could. I then went to the page of the editor responsible for the odd citations and found that you recently deleted a draft article on the apparently same topic. The diff is here [29]

I do not think that the changes that I undid are relevant to the Wiki project. They have been undone by others before. I wish I had more experience with en:Wiki - do you have an equivalent to "check user" to see if there are socks of this user? The person who brought this forward to me suggested that there may be other edits or other accounts involved.

In the interest of completeness, I looked at other contributions of this editor and found Benedict_Biscop of which the first four citations either do not mention, do not exist, 404 page not found. Later citations at least mention him, and one https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095458439 seems to be the source of much of the en:Wiki article including perhaps full phrases.

Please reply to me at my Wiki Commons talk page [30] which sends me notifications.

Thank you so much in advance for your time and attention to this matter.

Best wishes, Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ellin Beltz,

I responded to you on the Commons. The part of the English Wikipedia that deals with sockpuppetry is WP:SPI. You can find more information there or go to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Restoration of Todd William Schroeder page

hello Liz, this is a page you deleted in on the 26th of April, 2024. The copyright infringement issue has been resolved as the subject's source has added a disclaimer on their site where the links/statements were gotten from. Could you please restore the page, as i have some edits to make to it?

If you'd prefer, you could restore it to the draft space if you have any concerns. Concerns i hope you would share with me so i can correct them.

Thank you.

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Nuel Jr (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Nuel Jr (talk) 06:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nuel Jr,

Please provide a link to the deleted page. We can't restore content that is a copyright violation. I'm not sure that this declaration resolves the copyright issues. I recommend going to the Teahouse for specific advice on copyright issues. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Dear admin-chosen-at-random-who-seems-to-be-active, do you think edit summaries like this are acceptable? Do I need to raise this at an admin board somewhere? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I blocked the IP for three days. Johnuniq (talk) 09:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Johnuniq for your timely action. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Dang boy, not just abysmal, but utterly abysmal! Drmies (talk) 23:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Martinevans123,

Thanks for other admins for stepping in here. I'm active but as you can see by the header at the top of this page, I can be slow at responding. Sorry you had to put up with this nonsense. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Lillyanacut/Gelsen Gas

Hi Liz. This G8 deletion of yours seems to have been erroneous. G8 excludes "Redirects that were broken as a result of a page move or retargeting (these should instead be retargeted to their target's new name), except where R2 speedy deletion would then immediately apply if they were fixed (e.g., redirects to articles that have been draftified)". (And, of course, R2 doesn't apply to redirects from userspace.) (Do with this comment as you wish; I don't particularly care if it's undeleted.) SilverLocust 💬 06:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SilverLocust,

I'm not sure I'm following you as User:Lillyanacut/Gelsen Gas isn't deleted now. But it was previously deleted because it was a broken redirect to Gelsen Gas Student Article and we delete broken redirects. This was a page that was moved around a lot so it's a little confusing. I try not to make mistakes but I'm a very active admin so it's possible I made an error. What sort of resolution are you looking for here? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, after my comment here the page has been moved back to the title of the deletion, so there is nothing to do now.

G8 says (quite correctly) that broken redirects should be fixed, not deleted, when broken as the result of a page move — unless the fixed redirect would be an R2. The move redirect from userspace was broken when you draftified the article. SilverLocust 💬 00:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Ping

I mentioned you at Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Unlink_and_disambiguation_pages (one of your edits made me think that maybe Twinkle could be improved). Somehow I had forgotten that you are unpingable (when I was reminded, it did ring a bell though). Anyway, here is a proper notification so you know I have not been trying to talk about you behind your back. —Kusma (talk) 21:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kusma,

I don't know if I'm "unpingable" but I get so many pings that I stopped monitoring them. Thanks for letting me know. I'll see if I can wander by that discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I was unaware of that. If I am addressing an administrator concern with which you were involved, should I refrain from pinging you? ~Anachronist (talk) 02:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Anachronist,

Well, it's best if it's important to do what Kusma did and alert me on my user talk page. I just post so many welcome messages to new editors and notices about expiring drafts that I get more pings than I can respond to. To be honest, I'm also pretty slow and inconsistent about responding to talk page messages, I just seem to get so much traffic here, I'm not sure why. I found one editor was recommending to new editors to come here if they had any problems and I was like, "Sigh. Thanks but no thanks." Luckily, I have some awesome talk page stalkers that get to messages to supply help. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to restore deleted page

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Hello Liz, I somehow missed the notifcation from March that an article I edited was proposed for deletion due to "Bandcamp artist spam". This page has since been deleted, titled "Wally Scharold". If I recall correctly, I updated a dead link on the page to that person's band, which is currently only linkable to their Bandcamp page as the official website of the band was no longer active. Had I been aware of the proposed deletion in time, I would have gladly removed the edit in question. If possible, I'd greatly appreciate it if this page could be restored. Thank you. AimlessIdler (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AimlessIdler,

Just checking, you are talking about Wally Scharold, right? As a deleted PROD this article can be restored. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, yes, Wally Scharold. Great news that it can be restored. Will the content from the deleted version of the article need to be corrected upon restoration? Happy to do so if so, just checking. Many thanks for your swift reply and help with this. Kind regards. AimlessIdler (talk) 00:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, AimlessIdler,

 Done All of the content is restored. Please know that the editor who tagged this article as a PROD might nominate it for an WP:AFD deletion discussion. If it is deleteed via an AFD it will be much more difficult to restore. If you want to work on the article undisturbed, you might move it to your user space for a while. Please look at the PROD deletion rationale so you understand what should be fixed. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, understood and thank you for restoring the page as well as providing helpful next steps. Kind regards. AI AimlessIdler (talk) 14:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft about surgeon

Dear Liz,

Could you look into Gregory J. Marchand and examine the circumstances of deletion? It might be possible to restore it to draftspace.

You're definitely right that the AFC process can be tedious and tiresome, we went through a lot of draft revisions to get through! But, as you can see from the logs I did indeed follow the AFC process all the way through. I did not take any shortcuts or post in mainspace without permission, and so CSD may have been mistakenly applied. I really appreciate your help with this. Also, if you have any suggestions to improve the page I will be happy to comply.

Thank you!

Danthemedguy22 (talk) 22:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Danthemedguy22

Are you a paid contributor? I ask because articles on this subject have been virtually identical and resembled advertising every single time. I'm not willing to restore this kind of promotional content to the project. It would be best if you started from scratch and wrote a draft article appropriate for an encyclopedia and not a business directory on the world's best doctors. The hype of winning world records, for example, was completely inappropriate for an article on a physician. Good luck but I'm doubtful that editors with an obvious conflict-of-interest can write an article that would be approved by an AFC reviewer.

This is what I would advise you to do. However, if you want to contest my deletion, you can file an appeal at Wikipedia:Deletion review but you have to present a very solid argument to win the approval of the editors who review appeals. I think it would be unsuccessful but it is an option you can take. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear Liz, thank you for your quick, detailed reply. If you would be so kind as to review the AFC logs, you'll see that my conflict of interest (COI) was disclosed with the initial AFC submission and continues to be displayed on my userpage. I made sure all editors throughout the AFC process knew of my COI. I'm a published researcher at this institution. My conflict of interest was completely disclosed and discussed during the AFC process, (a lot of the back and forth is also on my talk page,) and we were very careful to avoid promotionality with the help of the nice editors at AFC. I'm not interested in disputing your deletion, but I would like to avoid the 6-12 month process of starting AFC from scratch.

Therefore, from reading all of the above topics you've worked on in this talk page, I see that you seem extremely reasonable, and tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I've been open, clear, and obeyed all of Wikipedia's regulations and pillars. If you would be so kind as to allow me to submit a draft of this page to you for consideration, I believe I can perform a rewrite that excludes any promotionality and that you will find suitable for this online encyclopedia.

Oh and congratulations on your new barnstar below! I sincerely appreciate the tremendous amount of time and effort you put in to improving Wikipedia as an unpaid volunteer. Keep up the good work! Danthemedguy22 (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For your tireless work at WP:AFD, I've seen you taking excellent decisions in closing and relisting discussions. Thanks so much for your contributions :-) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and P.S. how about archiving your talk page? It takes a lot of time for me to load due to all of the discussions on here :) Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cocobb8,

Thanks for the barnstar and I will archive my user talk page. I'm helping take care of a parent on hospice care, hence the message at the top of this page. I'll get to it soon. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear Liz, no worries. That sure sounds tough. Wishing you strength during those difficult times Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Restoration of deleted page

Hi @Liz, please I want you to restore my sandbox User:SafariScribe/sandbox, its urgent as it contains part of an ongoing peer review for FA. I thought I had transferred all to the main page before tagging it for speedy deletion. It is urgent and was an error. Thanks for your consideration. Regards. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Safari Scribe,

You should ask the admin who deleted the page. I do not have the free time right now to handle these kinds of requests. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@Fastily isn't responding though I have requested in WP:REFUND but it's being deleted and the work in the sandbox is urgent for the ongoing peer review. I will just be patient. Thanks. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Safari Scribe,

 Done Okay, alright. Sorry, I'm sleep deprived. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Aight, I explicitly appreciate that. Who am I when I have a good one like you, take it easy also and always take some deep rest. Let me rush to the reviewer ASAP. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Early NAC closures

Since that DRV is now closed, I figured we'll continue this here. You said,

Owen×, I've observed that many NAC closures are early closures. AGF, I think they want to gain experience with closures but with a current shortage of closers, it's usually unnecessary to do closures early. I don't want to single out this closure as it's just a trend I've noticed this year. I've seen "SNOW" closes with only 3 or 4 discussion participants which is not how I interpret SNOW to work.

Personally, I'm not bothered by eager NACs jumping in to close an obvious Keep AfD a few hours before the seven days are up. If consensus to keep is obvious enough for a NAC, waiting the full week is an unnecessary technicality. What bothers me are closures that are completely inappropriate for a non-admin. Almost anything closed as No-consensus is a BADNAC, pretty much by definition. Marginal Keeps are also a problem. Yesterday I had to revert a NAC Keep closure based on a grand total of two Keep !votes, one of which was little more than an ILIKEIT. The closer was friendly and understanding, so this didn't end up with a wheel-war like with that other guy I took to DRV, and the harm was minimal, but these things happen all the time.

We need to find a way to encourage non-admins to get involved with closing AfD, without creating this mad race to the Close button I see as we approach the seven-day finish line. Currently, most of the obvious NAC-elegible AfDs are closed by you, by Star Mississippi and by Explicit. By the time I check the backlog, usually all that's left are the contentious, messy, often political ones that no one else wants to touch, and almost invariably end up in DRV. I try to tackle at least one of those whenever I see them. Would it make sense to deliberately leave more obvious Keep AfDs open for NAC closure? I know you hate seeing anything in the AfD backlog, but these are easy, straightforward cases, and no harm is done by having them open for eight days rather than seven. With more opportunities for NACs to hone their closing skills, maybe we'll get fewer of those forced-SNOW inappropriate closures. What do you think? Owen× ☎ 12:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@OwenX, If I may, as the one who performed the NAC mentioned here, I totally agree with what you're saying and had a quick thing to add. How about not allowing AfDs to be closed prior to the 7 days (at least, by non-admins, and still allowing nominations to be withdrawn)? I think that it would help reduce the amount of those SNOW closes from occurring (just as I did with my first couple, unfortunately very much mistaken, closes). That way, NACs could safely happen on eligible keeps after the 7 days and would reduce the occurence of that SNOW trend that Liz mentioned. Obviously, there'd need to be a community consensus for such a change. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 16:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for joining in, Cocobb8! If all non-admin closers were as cooperative and as eager to learn as you are, things would be much easier. I'm game for the procedural change you propose, but I doubt it would gain consensus if proposed as a policy change. That's why I'm looking for a change that can be implemented without updating policy, just by changing how the most prolific AfD closers handle the task. But I'm open to other approaches. Owen× ☎ 17:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply @OwenX! I'd be interested to see what other admins and editors think about this procedural change too. Would it be a kind of proposition for which all admins would support and non-admins wouldn't? How here's an additional thought: maybe some kind of "AfD closer" user right can be created through WP:PERM, so that it works the same as WP:NPP. But that might be a little overkill too. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi! just noting I've seen this and will circle back to it in the coming days. I was offline this weekend and will be again next. (Sorry @Liz, I know I said I'd pick up the slack) Star Mississippi 02:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Random question

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Hi Liz,

I am a student currently writing a paper on gender bias on wiki. I want to ask you a few questions regarding your experiences as a female editor on wiki. If you are not comfortable responding, then no worries about responding. Thanks!

These are the questions I would like to ask for my paper: 1. Have you ever experienced anything that you would classify as a result of gender bias on wiki? 2. How you heard of the "Women in Red" list on wiki> If so, have you tried writing a page for one of the women with a red link? What were your experiences like and what type of edits did you receive from other editors on wiki? 3. Why do you think gender bias exists on a platform such as wiki, or even in general? Is there anything you think that could be done to lessen this divide caused by gender?

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and I hope you have a wonderful day! Cthmwh0 (talk) 05:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cthmwh0 (talk page watcher) Liz is busy and stressed, as noted above at the top of their talk page. They may not respond to your query. Just a heads up. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Requesting help regarding a deleted article

Could you please advise me on how to fix it or not? Because Draft:AP (Thailand) Public Company Limited has been deleted. I'm not sure where I went wrong. 58.137.32.194 (talk) 02:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hello, @58.137.32.194. I am not Liz, or an admin, but I can tell you that the page was deleted as a redirect that goes to a page that doesn't exist. Currently, Liz is very busy, and they may not reply fast. If this is urgent, I recommend asking another admin; we have quite a lot of them, you know. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance on Republishing Sergey Smbatyan's Article on Wikipedia

Hey @Liz,

I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to take a moment to express our gratitude for your invaluable contributions to improving Wikipedia content. Your dedication to maintaining accuracy and reliability within the platform is truly commendable. I am reaching out to discuss a matter regarding an article draft that was deleted last year under your supervision. The draft in question pertains to Sergey Smbatyan, and it was removed due to a lack of reliable sources at the time. Since then, I worked to gather sufficient and verifiable sources covering Sergey Smbatyan's accomplishments and contributions. I believe that now I have a robust set of references that meet Wikipedia's standards for reliability. Given your expertise in this area, I would greatly appreciate your guidance on the process of republishing the article. I want to ensure that I adhere to all Wikipedia guidelines and protocols to guarantee the article's compliance and accuracy. Your insights and direction on this matter would be immensely valuable to me, and I am eager to collaborate with you to bring this article back to the platform in a manner that upholds Wikipedia's integrity. Thank you once again for your time and consideration. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Warm regards Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 08:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Not done The draft in question still exists, and has been submitted for review, see Draft:Sergey Smbatyan. I'm not Liz, but I am responding on their talk page as they are very busy and stressed, indicated by the notice at the top of this talk page. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, @Grigor Khachatrian, I have declined it due to it reading like an advertisement. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey @TheTechie, thanks for your commitment to improving Wikipedia. Could you please guide me which part is reading like an advertisement, and how can we improve that? Thanks in advance Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 06:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

For one thing, your use of the subject pronoun "we" gives me an idea that you are a company. Wikipedia accounts are strictly for one person. I am sure that you are an SPA, but I'm sure someone will find out soon. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Dear @TheTechie, Mentioning we I mean me and you, as me and you are contributing of the improvement of the Wikipedia. As you are a senior editor, I am seeking your guidance and help to improve the article. Thanks in advance. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 16:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to discuss on my talk page. Let's move there so we don't clog Liz's talk page. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for your reply! Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Humankind

Please restore and let me know when you've done so. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC).

(talk page watcher) Hi, I'm subbing for Liz on their talk page as they are very stressed.  Note: you don't need to ask Liz here, they clearly say in the deletion note: If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13. Hope that helps and good luck! thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I was sorry to hear that Liz is stressed. If she is too stressed to respond here, perhaps it would be wise for her to stop deleting things.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough given the issues around Immanuelle's translations, I'm not sure about restoring this one. The one prior was a redirect. Was there particular history you wanted to explore? Star Mississippi 12:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea, since the page is deleted. Once I can see it, and the history, I will be able to form a judgement.

I note that Draft:Mankind has been deleted since, so perhaps I should take a look at that too.

I have also not been following any issues with any other users editing, and strongly support editing from the standpoint of content rather than authorship.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough, Draft:Humankind is restored save for some early bot weirdness. Pinging @Interstellarity to shed some light on whether the history swaps are useful, but they're restored for now. There is nothing at Draft:Mankind as the text was, in its entirety: Dummy page to use as a reminder to edit Draft:Humankind. Mankind should redirect there when the draft is accepted.

Not watching the draft so please ping me if you need anything further. Star Mississippi 00:14, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 09:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC).

User:Star Mississippi I am puzzled, I can see no reason that I should have been notified that Liz was deleting this draft. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).

Apologies, I didn't realize you operate SmackBot. Those were the edits I described as "bot weirdness" but have now restored. How dare you not immediately recall high impact 2008 edits ;-)

Those are also now restored and likely why you were notified. Star Mississippi 13:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Star Mississippi Thanks! This is just a history of ... well lets be nice. Can you move this draft page back to where it belongs: Mankind, reverting User:Immanuelle's move to Draft space. I think you can safely overwrite what's at Mankind at the moment, although if you want to do a history merge, more power to you. Liz should have spotted this, bulk deletion is never a good idea. I'm not sure that User:Interstellarity's "round-robin" move (that's not what a round robin is) was a good idea, but that's another issue. Once again thanks. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC).

Done @Rich Farmbrough.

At least the end result, I think I messed it up along the way but I'm 99% sure I got what you were hoping for in terms of history at the right title. Let me know if more is needed? I am not the most tech savvy of editors if you hadn't guessed so can't promise I can take it further. Have a good evening Star Mississippi 01:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Category for the Swedish national bandy team

Please see Category talk:National bandy teams. I appologise for not having written any comment about it when changing.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 11:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hello, I'm subbing for Liz as they are very stressed.  Not done: It's unclear what you'd like to be done. Please let me know what you are expecting. If you need an admin, please ask another one, this one is going through a lot. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie:: I am not asking for anything to be done. I am writing about a comment that Liz wanted. BTW, I didn't know Liz was a collective.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 11:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

You around Liz?

That ANI discussion about Synthesis seems to be very much on the wrong board. Not a surprise as the editor who brought it there only has made 123 edits in over 3 years. Do you see any behavioral issues that justify keeping it open? Doug Weller talk 11:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi, Liz isn't around, for now. As listed above, they're busy in real life with personal issues. I am replying on their behalf because, as noted above, they are stressed because of said personal issues. If you like, you can move it yourself. If you would like a third opinion, please let me know which section of ANI you are talking about, there is quite a lot. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheTechie Ouch. Sorry, I didn't read the page. It's at WP:ANI#Multiple rule breaking edits. I think it should be closed. Liz, very sorry to hear about your real life issues. Doug Weller talk 16:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Doug,

Don't feel bad. I'm helping provide hospice care for my mother along with my brother and sister so there are times when I'm busy off-line and times when she is sleeping where I do basic editing to relieve stress. I just am not up for putting out fires and chatting a lot (I typically leave long talk page messages!).

But we are all dealing with some kind of stress, I know, and even though I archived a lot of messages recently, my user talk page is still pretty full and most people don't see the header at the top of this page. I hope you are doing okay these days, you're all in my thoughts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:25, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Liz, is it ok with you if I keep responding to messages on your talk page? Or would you like me to stop? Please be honest. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

And I can add the notice to your editnotice too if you'd like. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 16:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m sorry that’s necessary but glad you’ve got family to share it with. It’s. Good that your mother can be with her family. I’m doing ok really, living a pretty normal life for my age, although may be having chemo again soon. That won’t be too bad. Doug Weller talk 18:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, TheTechie, to be honest, I have mixed feelings about it. I have been blessed by several helpful talk page stalkers who have offered replies to editors' questions before I got around to responding to messages. I have a tendency to either respond to messages immediately (like now) or I can take a few days to get to messages. If it is an editor with a general question and you can tell them where to get help or where to find an answer, then it would be very kind for you to respond. But if it's a question about an AFD closure or some other admin act I've done, then I really need to reply myself. And don't speak "for me" or about me, I'd like to choose when to share about my life.

You can add the "stress" header to my edit notice, that would be helpful but don't, for instance, archive my user talk page. Several years ago, an editor set up automatic archiving for me, without asking, and my talk page archives are still screwed up as the archiving was done to whatever archive page had the most space, not according to date. I can handle that on my own. But thanks for asking me how you can help, if you can work within the limits I describe, then your assistance would be welcome and appreciated, thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Understood. And about archiving someone else's talk page...I do agree that it is going too far. I won't tell others the details, but I will say that you are busy/stressed, and if it is about something you did, well, I'll leave you to it. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello

I'm having an argument with User:Toughpigs about whether Unicron is notable. My stance is that he's just iconic for being really big (there's a difference). As the person who closed the original AFD, what do you think now? 2605:B40:13E7:F600:81AF:FB54:24F5:260E (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm not arguing with you about the article content. I'm asking you to respect prior consensus, and stop trying to re-nominate articles that have recently been discussed at AfD. Toughpigs (talk) 21:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha. I still want a third party though. 2605:B40:13E7:F600:81AF:FB54:24F5:260E (talk) 21:48, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Toughpigs. Seems to be well supported with sources at a glance. IP starting with 2605, I'm afraid you'll have to find somewhere else to edit. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Correspondentman at AfD again

I saw that you commented at User talk:Correspondentman § AFDs seven months ago. He's just nominated three more articles in quick succession, all associated with Azerbaijan. He hasn't made any other edits besides AfD. Someone also pointed out at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Subhan Aliyev that he was banned at az.wiki for sockpuppetry (az:İstifadəçi:Correspondentman). I'm not sure if this is grounds for WP:ANI etc., but since you were suspicious before, I thought you might want to know about this. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions has been nominated for discussion

Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I mention this mainly because you appear to be deleting pages directly from the category, so your opinions at the discussion would be appreciated. Primefac (talk) 06:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Primefac,

I'm not sure why Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions has suddenly become empty, it typically contains several hundred drafts that are coming due for G13 speedy deletion over the next month/4 weeks.

But the three admins who typically handle G13s (me, Explicit and Hey man im josh) actually make use of daily lists generated by User:SDZeroBot for this purpose (see User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon). SDZeroBot's lists are more complete that this category ever was. Years ago when SDZeroBot started helping with G13s (Sept. 2020), I asked the bot operator, SD0001, why SDZeroBot's lists were more accurate than this category, but we didn't figure out an answer beyond the possibility that not all expiring drafts were tagged for this category. But I have no idea what bot was in charge of tagging drafts to be in this G13 eligible AFC submissions category in the first place!

But I've never seen this category completely empty before, this is really strange!. Did someone change a template or something? We have editors who tag expiring drafts with CSD G13 tags and they typically use this category, not SDZeroBot's lists. It's a very small group of admins and editors who handle tasks related to G13s so we kind of have a routine operating procedure. Again, I'm not sure if a bot stopped tagging drafts or what that would cause this category to empty out. In the past, it has gone down to, say a hundred drafts and I'd ask DGG for help and he seemed to know how to fix the problem and the category would fill up again but, unfortunately, that's not possible any more. There might be a query about this at WP:VPT from years ago when this would sometimes happen. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions (the 5–6 months category) is not part of the nomination. Rather, Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions (6+ months) is nominated for merging into Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions, which currently consists of pages manually tagged with {{db-g13}}. SilverLocust 💬 14:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leigh Rogers

Good afternoon! You recently closed this AFD as "keep", yet you relisted this AFD earlier in the day with the comment "A comment to "procedural keep" is not an argument on why an article should be Kept. I'm relisting this discussion." I am curious why one merited a closure as "keep" when the other was relisted. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bgsu98,

You filed dozens of AFD discussions for articles on this subject, most of which were relisted because we have low participation right now in AFDLand, especially when there are so many AFDs filed on the same day on a similar subject. We have a limited pool of editors who participate in AFDs.

I'll have to look into this tonight when I usually have more time to address talk page queries. I do recall that I saw another closer close an AFD on a skater that had similar comments as a "Keep" and that might have influenced my decision. But I'll have to look over the daily AFD log page and both AFDs to be sure. I was handling so many of these AFDs you filed yesterday, this one isn't sticking out in my memory. Hope to have an answer for you later in the day. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Syringa Pinnatifolia

Hi Liz, I see you've moved or deleted a page (Syringa Pinnatifolia) I was trying to move to mainspace. Thank you; I'd made a mistake with the page name (I think I inadvertently created a userpage with that name somehow) and I was trying to see how I could correct it. Is there a way of restoring it under the correct name, please? (You'll have guessed I'm rather new at this). Anyway, any help you can offer is appreciated. ArthurTheGardener (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ArthurTheGardener,

What's possible can be seen by looking at why the article was moved or deleted. Can you provide me with a link to the page that was deleted that you are concerned about? That would speed things up. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you: I'm very new to this, and I'm happy to start again if needs be. I think this is the link to the draft page (although I can't for the life of me find where it is now). Draft:Syringa Pinnatifolia ArthurTheGardener (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

May music

story · music · places

Hi, Liz, I came to ask you what you see in the sources for Magdalena Hinterdobler (who is clearly notable per Michael Bednarek's first comment), but as you point at stress I just send best wishes. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Exemplary

This is exemplary and maybe I can learn from it. Small steps though. NebY (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to Recreate Draft:RG Qluck Wise

Dear @Liz,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to request permission to recreate the draft for the article on RG Qluck Wise, a Ghanaian record producer, author, and graphic designer.

I understand that previous attempts to create this article were met with deletion due to various reasons, including concerns about notability and promotional language. I have carefully reviewed the deletion log and taken steps to address these issues:

Notability: I have conducted additional research to ensure that RG Qluck Wise meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for musicians, authors, and graphic designers. I have gathered reliable, secondary sources to establish his significance in these fields.

Neutral Tone: I have revised the content of the article to remove any promotional language or bias. The tone is now neutral and factual, focusing on providing an objective overview of RG Qluck Wise's career and achievements.

Draft Status: Instead of resubmitting the article directly to the main space, I plan to recreate it as a draft. This will allow for further refinement and review before seeking publication.

I believe that the revised draft meets Wikipedia's standards and guidelines for inclusion. Before proceeding, I wanted to seek your guidance and approval to ensure that I am following the correct procedure.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I am open to any feedback or suggestions you may have for improving the article further.

Best regards, Abigailka (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Bhagyavidhaata

Hi Liz, you have been pinged. Jay 💬 07:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The Lonely Warrior

Hello, I would like to thank you very much for helping me move the article. Because I am a newbie, I need help in many places. However, this article is an assignment left for me by my teacher. The teacher’s request is to put it on my personal homepage in, So I'm moving this post back，Thank you very much for helping me, have a nice day Mcx8202229 (talk) 10:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)@Mcx8202229: Please see the message I left for you at User talk:Mcx8202229#Your userpage because, as Liz mentioned in her post at User talk:Mcx8202229#May 2024, your userpage is not really intended to be a place to work on drafts for future articles and leaving the content there only increases the risk that it will either be moved to the draft namespace again by another Wikipedia administrator/user or even possibly tagged for speedy deletion. If having your work in the draft namespace is really undesirable for some reason (though it's hard to think of good reason why that might be the case), then you should create a userspace draft and copy-and-paste the content there instead. Once you've copied-and-pasted the content into a userspace draft, you should remove from your user page. Whatever you do, please don't try to WP:MOVE your user page to the userspace draft because doing so will create a whole new set of problems that will need to be cleaned up. Finally, as I also posted at User talk:Mcx8202229#Non-free images and article namespace categories, non-free content can't be displayed on user pages per relevant Wikipedia policy, and article namespace categories can't be used on pages in the user namespace per relevant Wikipedia guidelines; so, please don't re-display the non-free file or re-enable the categories until after you're draft has been approved as an article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Strategic Consortium of Intelligence Professionals (SCIP)

Hi Liz,

I noticed that you deleted the wikipedia page for Strategic Consortium of Intelligence Professionals (SCIP). I want to edit the content for the page to update it with the most latest information. Can you guide me on this? AakritiBasnett (talk) 17:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Heads up

I've just been contacted (via WhatsApp) by someone (Ali Al Suleiman, Arabic: علي محمود السليمان) whose article you once deleted. Wanted me to help him restore the article, to which I said no without even looking into it. I was then told that he's got a draft (in Arabic?) ready that's just about to go into main space, "hence there shouldn't be a problem". Interestingly, there does not appear to be a Wikidata entry for this person. Do we care about people's autobiographies in other language Wikis? Schwede66 03:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Schwede66, for reference that person is likely a LTA known for canvassing other users (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/علي أبو عمر). Pahunkat (talk) 00:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/DOVO Solingen. Daniel (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Daniel,

I don't follow this talk page comments, it refers to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 22 but there is no review of this AFD there. But thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The editor was reverted trying to file, it seems. Daniel (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing the title 'Manu Munsi' to 'Manu Munshi' and 'Kumkum Munsi' to 'Kumkum Munshi'

Hi, Recently I created 2 articles with the title 'Manu Munsi' and 'Kumkum Munsi'. But, from google search I came to know that these people used to write 'Munshi' more frequently than 'Munsi'. That means, the original spelling was 'Munshi'. So, first I tried to create redirect pages with 'Manu Munshi' and 'Kumkum Munshi', respectively. But, I came to know that previously these pages were created by someone but deleted later. But, I have enough sources to make these pages notable based on which I created these pages with the surname spelling 'Munsi' which is actually wrong. The original spelling is 'Munshi'. I don't know who created the previous articles. I would like to know whether it is possible to change the title of the articles accordingly. If you kindly advise me in this regard, it will be beneficial. Finesilpo (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Request

Can you please undelete 19th Division (United States)(Prior to World War I) looks like that one had substantive history, and was also a bit of accidental WP:WHEELing. I plan a running a script to find these and go through systemically to deal with a some point when I have the time. Probably in most cases they will be fixable by moving without leaving a redirect, but there will probably be some XFDs needed. Of course if an obvious title presents itself you can go ahead and move it there right now.

Separately, I have a nagging feeling I was supposed to assist you with something a few months back, and I can't remember if I got around to it. Probably not important, but if you want to give me a hard time I won't object. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:A024:5E49:D03:3D9F (talk) 16:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

User:RUI Thomas Fan

Said user may be a sockpuppet of User:SteaminThomasTheTrain32 because of unofficial Thomas & Friends-related Auto-biography pages and said in the pages that his name is “David J. Murray Jr”, which is the user’s real name

Also he was infamous on FANDOM as an account named “Really Useful Hedgehog 2” for attention seeking and trying to steal another user named “Too Much Toby” IP address..

WarnerPlzWarning (talk) 00:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)  Not done: It's not clear what you want Liz or any talk page watcher to do. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Please spread the word!

WarnerPlzWarning (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia is not a place to spread rumors. We only make claims when we know we have evidence. I ask that you stop disturbing Liz, as they can't do anything about this, and bring your concern to a checkuser by clicking here thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That's right!

RUI Thomas Fan (talk) 00:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Audio samples deleted per FFD

Since you've been contesting my PROD tags, I would like to notify you about the following audio samples deleted per FFD discussions:

• File:Joan Osborne - One Of Us.ogg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• File:Weight, Band.ogg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• File:Lynyrd SkynyrdFreeBirdSolo.ogg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

If you still feel that any of the above needs to be undeleted, then (I insist you even as an admin) please contact Explicit or Fastily, or please take any of them to WP:DRV. Thank you. George Ho (talk) 02:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg

Hi Liz. I'm not sure I agree with your assessments of File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg and of the article where the file is being used that you gave in your deprod rationale. Even so, if you're planning to rename the article and make other changes so that it focuses on the book instead of on Pressac (as you suggested should be done in your deprod rationale), then perhaps the cover could be kept; however, this file is essentially a collage of multiple images, and I don't think a non-free image of the interior pages would meet WP:NFCC#8, at least not based on the current version of the article. If your intent is to use the image in accordance with item 1 of WP:NFCI and WP:NFC#cite_note-3, it probably needs to be cropped to just show the cover. The cover and interior pages should be treated as separate files if the argument is that the latter also satisfy WP:NFCCP since their justification for non-free use isn't really equivalent. If you disagree with my assessment and feel the file is fine as is, I can nominate it for discussion at FFD to see what others might think and to try to sort things out; it could (at least in my opinion), however, be difficult to establish a consensus in favor of even keeping the cover as long as the article remains as is (i.e. about Pressac). -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I've started a discussion about this file at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 June 3#File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg. You're welcome to comment if you want. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

File:Columbus, Ohio 1963 04.tif

Hi, I noticed you closed this PROD a while back. I would like to request undeletion. The concern was "Unused, obviously incorrect license tag (not PD-US), but unclear if this is eligible for Commons. Esoteric file format, dubious encyclopedic value".

• "Unused" - Can just be transferred to Commons, clear educational value.
• "obviously incorrect license tag" - image was made in 1960s, likely published somewhere without notice. Website also states "No known copyright restrictions", it is unlikely these photos went unpublished.
• "esoteric file format" - tif is in no way esoteric
• "dubious encyclopedic value" - Clear c:COM:EDUSE as photos of a building from a collection

—Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Matrix,

 Done PROD'd articles and files can be restored upon request so you don't have to present me with an argument. However, it can be nominated at WP:FFD and there, a Keep rationale would help preserve this image. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Re Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Polish people murdered in attacks

Delete a category. I simply moved the articles to another one that met the criteria better. KujKuń (talk) 18:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KujKuń,

So, you are asking me to delete this category? I'll look into it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question on draftifying

Hi, I have a question on something that I've run into a few times. What is the best procedure if a user immediately recreates and article in mainspace after it has been draftified? I tagged this one for CSD under a custom rationale but I figure there is a better way. Thank you. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TornadoLGS,

Oh, this happens far too often. Some patrollers try to tag the recreated article for speedy deletion, I think as a CSD G6 but that doesn't apply to these situations. Since an editor can always object to draftification and move a draft article back to main space, there is no CSD criteria that covers a cut and paste job. I give a C&P Twinkle warning to the content creator but all that does is try to prevent them from doing this action again in the future. You could move the newly created main space article to Draft space and Merge the two articles or turn the draft article into a redirect to the main space article. But, after making this mistake early in my editing career and being corrected, there is no deletion rationale for deleting either the main space or the draft space version of the same article. I've seen editors try to bend the CSD criteria to fit this situation and admins vary on whether or not they will agree with the tagging.

But, honestly, most of the time, nothing is done in these situations. I believe this is mainly because, typically, the content creator is the primary editor for both a draft and main space version of the same article so attribution is not a big concern. I wish new editors would understand how draftification can be a positive step and allow them to work on an article in draft space with less of a threat of deletion but I think most of them see it as a punishment or a negative action. Sorry I can't present you with a one-size-fits-all magical solution. I use to review the daily draftification list and be more aware of when this was happening so I could talk with the editor or post them a notice but I stopped doing that task a few months ago. If you want to know the link to the bot page which lists all draftifications, I can dig it up for you. Let me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

So you mean like moved to something like Draft:[pagename]2 and then redirect? I'm not really concerned about attribution. More that it's an unsourced BLP page, and apparently autobiographical as well. I've recommended the creator submit the draft through AFC going forward. Honestly I might suggest a CSD criterion for this situation or for the too-common case of an editor moving or copying a declined draft to mainspace without improvement. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Category: Black Sun Ensemble albums

Hi Liz - you removed the C1 speedy deletion tag from this category on the basis that the category was not empty. As I explained in my edit summary, effectively yes it is... because the only entry in the category is a redirect, this band has no album articles at all. So a category is considered not empty even if it is only populated by redirects? Richard3120 (talk) 09:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Richard3120,

We have plenty of categories that only contain redirects. Redirects can be categorized, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I didn't know that... you learn something new every day. Thanks for your reply. Richard3120 (talk) 09:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Irfan Ajvazi - Back to Draft: instead of G4

I didn't check logs to see if Irfan Ajvazi had been through AfD before, but having both seen the prior AfD and references (sic) that are in the current version, I agree that the problems from the AfD have not been addressed. There was some progress; any objections with moving the page back to Draft space instead of deleting it outright? —C.Fred (talk) 20:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, C.Fred,

I trust your judgment. Do what you think is best. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Faria Sheikh

Hello Liz. -Just for your record, this IP range was blocked earlier. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Liz, Saqib is correct. That IP was blocked so he was correct in striking their vote. Please be more thorough and cautious. S0091 (talk) 20:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

File:Seal of the Bangladesh Air Force (BAF).svg

Hi. I'm here to ask for the restoration of old versions in this file. Also, if you have an answer or a solution regarding this file, I'm inviting to this discussion! Kys5g ^talk! 11:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Kys5g, I'm not Liz, but usually when older versions are RevDel'd, it has something to do with copyright (e.g. a copyrighted image scaled down and the old full scale versions deleted), but I noticed that some revisions were from a blocked user, maybe they were vandalism? I don't know, I'll let Liz respond though, just wanted to chime in with my thoughts on this. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 14:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Michael Sugrue

Hi Liz, I don’t think Michael Sugrue qualified for speedy deletion. He recently got a NY Times obit- I’ve never seen a subject with one not meet notability requirements. Could you restore the article and if you feel it is necessary, nominate it for deletion? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Thriley it was deleted as a G4 (cf Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Sugrue not an Aa7, but I personally don't think it was similar enough to merit deletion as such. To skip the Refund dance, where I think this would be restored, @Wikishovel any objection with a restoration to draft space? Star Mississippi 13:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That discussion was nearly two years ago. Since his death, there are have been several obits with The NY Times being the most prominent. I’d like a return to mainspace if possible. Thriley (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley If I restore it to mainspace, it's likely going to be immediately G4ed as it also was in February as it's admin interpretation. (JUst because I wouldn't have doesn't mean Liz & @Wikishovel were wrong). I'm trying to avoid that step/cycle. Star Mississippi 15:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Star M. The NYT obit (unpaywalled copy available on dnyuz.com), published four months after Sugrue's death, talks about how an obscure academic became popular online during the pandemic. Looking at the archived version and the AFD, I'm not comfortable with circumventing AFD and G4 policy on the basis of an obit, and the outcome wasn't a soft delete. WP:DRVPURPOSE point 3 about "significant new information" doesn't seem to apply here either, but I'll defer to Liz (and you) on whether this should go to WP:DRV. Wikishovel (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

That makes sense @Wikishovel, and thanks for the links as I hadn't dug on this at all beyond trying to help Liz.

@Thriley I think the best solution is probably draft space or DRV review of the one just deleted or February (essentially User:Etyuxdy/sandbox) citing new info since we all seem to agree there was no issue with the AfD close just that facts may have changed.

About to be offline for a couple of hours so will need another admin to restore the May one if you want to go that route, Thriley. Star Mississippi 19:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I think a move to draft would work to allow me to flesh it out. The article was a late evening stub of mine that wasn’t very good. Best, Thriley (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I undeleted everything but the original versions that were old/clear G12s and it's here Draft:Michael Sugrue. Apologies for templating you @Thriley.

I leave it to you, @Wikishovel and any other interested parties to decide whether an improved draft needs to go through DRV, AfC etc as it's definitely subjective. NOt watching so just ping me if needed. Star Mississippi 01:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Suspected meatpuppetry

Hi,

General request for advice as per the above. Current involved in a move discussion on a page (Socialist Appeal (UK, 1992)) where it appears nearly every person pushing for the move is a meatpuppet (and likely member of the group in question) given the highly niche organisation it pertains to yet sudden surge of new and/or low-edit accounts only interested in this one group. Would you be able to look into this or if not provide advice as to where to go for investigation?

Regards, Rambling Rambler (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Carma – The Movie

Hello Liz, I noticed you reverted my recent draftification but I made the change based on Novem Linguae's suggestion, who indicated community support. Could there be a misunderstanding on my part? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

According to Liz's edit summary, she objects because the article is over 90 days old. We're not supposed to draftify articles older than 90 days, per an RFC a year or two ago. Sorry that I forgot to mention this. Guess we'll have to take this restriction into account. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Liz may want to archive some of this talk page soon. I think DiscussionTools is being slow because of the 250 sections. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Novem Linguae,

Believe it or not, I just archived several months' worth of messages a week or so ago. But this User talk page gets a lot of traffic so I'll do some more archiving over the next week. Thanks for providing an explanation of the draftification change. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

If you ever want to switch to bot archiveing, let me know. I can help you set it up. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Novem Linguae but the last editor who set up archiving on my user talk page (without my permission) screwed up my talk page archives and messages were randomly added to different archive pages regardless of the date. I have procrastinated on spending a weekend straightening all of the mess that resulted from that. But thanks for the offer. The thought is appreciated. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

May 2024

Hello, Liz! I hope you're doing well. Please remember discussion pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Thank you. – Primium (talk) 03:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Primium,

Whose comment did I edit but my own? I've made over 650,000 edits on this project and have been here for 11 years, I don't need basic warnings like this especially when they are inaccurate. If I've done what you are accusing me of, present a diff. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

That's an impressive tenure! I appreciate your extensive contributions to the project and apologize if my message seemed accusatory. The change happened here. – Primium (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Seeds of Hope Publishers Deletion

Hello Liz, apologies for the inconvenience but I noticed the article I worked on for "Seeds of Hope Publishers" (Seeds of Hope Publishers) was deleted on the accounts of not having enough credited sources and not enough votes to prevent deletion. I understand that I didn't respond to these edits in time, but would it be possible to make changes to fit these requirements in a brief period of time, or at the very least copy the information created on the article? I can assure you that as a volunteer of the organization, this wasn't an attempt to advertise or market them in any way. but to provide a means of cataloging their history, especially due to the information being from the founder/manager Katie Cook herself. If by chance you need verification I would be happy to communicate in private through email, and provide a link to their website for proof (https://www.seedspublishers.org/)

Any response would be appreciated, and thank you for your time. I also promise I never meant to provoke the wrath of the kittehmaster :)

Have a great day!

Devan Gae Devangae200 (talk) 00:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Devangae200, please disclose your conflict of interest first, then we can discuss fixing the article. To others, see this thread. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 01:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, well I suppose my "conflict of interest" is that of a recent student volunteer from Baylor University. The non-profit organization was willing to task people with media tasks, such as helping to create new/updated articles of current events, update the website, etc. My task was delegated from Ms.Cook herself, and she needed someone to help update the Wikipedia article with new material (or stuff she forgot to include such as pictures and such), while she was busy volunteering with other projects from the organization of course. If by chance you're worried in regards to bias, I can assure you that I'm fairly new to the Seeds of Hope itself, hence had no experience with the events listed in the article, and was mainly given the task on account of wanting to learn the wikipedia article format. I hope that answer was sufficient, if you need more I'd be happy to tell you more about my time. Devangae200 (talk) 05:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, my apologies but has the "conflict of interest" I listed enough to discuss either revoking the deletion of Seeds of Hope Publisher's, or at least allowing me to edit the article (or possibly save the information listed before deletion)? Devangae200 (talk) 04:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Amin & Omid

A new reference has been added. Check out. thank you. امیرعلی صادقی (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Shiftboard's Wikipedia Presence

Hi Liz,

I hope this message finds you well.

We recently were messaging with @Seawolf35 about recent updates we made to Shiftboard's page. We are affiliated with Shiftboard and were trying to understand the appropriate next steps.

Shiftboard's Wikipedia page was deleted last week. Is there any way to have it republished?

I understand and deeply respect Wikipedia's commitment to maintaining neutrality and accuracy in its content. As such, I am keen to ensure that Shiftboard's page adheres strictly to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to hearing from you. WinterSea20 (talk) 17:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @WinterSea20, I participated in that AfD and concurred with the majority consensus that the organisation lacked significant reliable sourcing to justify the existence of an article. Liz merely deleted the article in accordance with adjusted consensus. It wasn't so much a failure to comply with guidelines, but a lack of sourcing in compliance with WP:SIRS and much of what I found was sponsored news posts. You note you have an affiliation with the company and therefore seemingly have a vested interest in restoring the article, but you would need to address the concerns raised at the AfD. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Also with a declared affiliation, this likely constitutes a potential WP:COI and the expectation would be any potential future article to be scrutinised via the WP:AFC process, particularly as it's already been deleted via community consensus on notability grounds. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of JCreator

You seemed like the one to talk to since you made the deletion. While it is somewhat obscure now, was made by a company who hasn't existed in 8+ years and frankly sucks, JCreator is still the standard editor of lots of school programs, and I believe it's notable enough for Wikipedia. 100.6.92.95 (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 100.6.92.95,

This article was a Proposed deletion and can be restored upon request. Is that what you are asking for? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Undeletion requests

Please undelete Journal of Assyrian Academic Studies and Aulakh clan as they appear to have substantive history and they are no longer broken redirects. Optionally, Aulak and Aulakh Clan can also be restored (or I'll just recreate them). SilverLocust 💬 20:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SilverLocust,

 Done. They were broken redirects when they were deleted but they are now restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Garudan

I made a mistake, as we have Garudan (2023 film). Is it possible to move it back to Garudan (2024 film) and redirect Garudan to Garuda (disambiguation)? Kailash29792 (talk) 02:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Kailash29792, done. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kailash29792,

Garudan (2023 film) and Garudan (2024 film) are two separate articles. Should they be merged? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hell no, both are separate, unrelated films. The title in both films refers to the brahminy kite which is what Garuda was. In fact, "Garudan" is both a proper noun referring to him, and a common noun meaning a brahminy kite. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Kailash29792, did the page moves I did go in the way you intended? — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kailash29792,

Well, if they are separate subjects that require different articles, I'm not sure what you are asking me to do. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Nothing else. You did the right stuff, by moving back to Garudan (2024 film) and redirecting Garudan to the DAB page. So thanks. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Liz, I already think I answered their request. — thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 02:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Notices to Babel AutoCreate

Could you please stop posting Twinkle notices to User talk:Babel AutoCreate? The account is a bot operated by the MediaWiki software, and doesn't care if any categories it creates are deleted. Thanks. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Pppery, sorry if it feels like I'm just defending Liz on and on, but I feel like I have a point to make:

1. It notifies the creator by default.
2. They only posted it once.

I'm not trying to defend Liz here, but I'd like to make sure that's clear. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Pppery,

Not to repeat another editor's comment, but I do believe I only posted one notice and I'll refrain from doing so in the future. Sorry if my mistake aggravated you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

The history shows you've posted three. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't do research before responding to you. I have literally posted 100,000s of Twinkle notices on User talk page as part of my daily tasks and I don't recall all of them. If my apology and assertion that it won't happen again isn't enough, I'm not sure what else you are looking for from me. Back to work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Tamil Genocide

What made you think that the article had to be kept despite it is fraught with so many problems? Can you find a single country that recognizes this "genocide"? At best, you could have opted for WP:TNT or drafting but there is no consensus for a "keep". Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Abhishek0831996,

I actually knew that no matter how this discussion was closed (Keep, Delete or No consensus) that the discussion would end up at Wikipedia:Deletion review. That's the next step to take if you disagree with the closure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 31. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 06:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. The content issue of whether there should be an article on Tamil Genocide is now being discussed at Deletion Review. What I see at DRV is what I see in the AFD, which is a lot of incivility and POV pushing that should be discussed at Arbitration Enforcement, now that ArbCom has declared Sri Lanka to be a contentious topic where disruptive editing can be sanctioned at Arbitration Enforcement. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Pune

Hello! Thank you for your warning on the bludgeoning SPA on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Pune car crash. I would like to inform you that the account you have reprimanded has since opened an identical SPA on the same article and has inserted POV language into the mother article. I have just opened an SPI investigation at [31]. Borgenland (talk) 06:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Borgenland,

Thanks for letting me know about the SPI. I'll look into it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy deletion

Hi, I was just wondering why the Mini Guppy article was deleted, thats all. A-37Dragonfly (talk) 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, A-37Dragonfly,

If you provide me with a link to the deleted page, then I can answer your question. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I dont think you deleted that page but, it has been fully deleted but heres what to look for "Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy". I saw you were removing redirects to that page, and found out it was someone else who deleted it. Sorry, im still new to wikipedia a little A-37Dragonfly (talk) 22:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, A-37Dragonfly,

It's no problem at all, while the "wiki" structure seems simple, Wikipedia, with all of its policies and guidelines is actually quite a complicated system.

First, we have three distinct types of page deletion, Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion and Deletion discussions or AFDs. They all have their own rules. Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy was deleted via a Proposed deletion. The deletion rationale was "No references, this article fails GNG" with WP:GNG being a way that Wikipedia seeks to establish notability of an article subject. PROD'd article deletions are supposed to be "uncontroversial" so if they are contested, the article can be restored upon request. That is what occurred in this case.

What can happen though is if an article that has been "PROD'd" is restored, often the editor who originally tagged it for deletion will seek its deletion through an AFD deletion discussion. If an article is deleted through an AFD, it is much harder to restore. So, it looks like after Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy was restored, it was moved to User space, User:ZLEA/sandbox/Aero Spacelines Mini Guppy, which is much "safer" than being having the article back in main space. While it is possible to get draft articles in User space deleted, they are generally left alone. I'm assuming that once the editor ZLEA believes the article has improved enough to meet GNG, it will be moved back to main space. If you would like to help improve this article, I'd guess that ZLEA would be thankful for your help. It would be polite to go to User talk:ZLEA, introduce yourself and ask if it would be okay if you helped with this User space draft. You already have one thing in common, you both think that this article should be preserved. So, good luck!

If you ever having questions about editing on Wikipedia, it's policies and guidelines, the Teahouse is a great place to go to for advice and support. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, that relieve me seeing as I really did like that article, thank you :) A-37Dragonfly (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

that really relieved me* A-37Dragonfly (talk) 22:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

For the record, anyone who wants to contribute to the article in my sandbox is free to do so. I have had little time to visit my university's library to find sources the past few weeks, but I plan on improving the article to be moved back to the mainspace, or incorporating the content into an existing article if that is not possible. - ZLEA _T\^C 00:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

vertiport

The article wasn't created in error. It is a translation from the German version. It was really a lot of work. There's a difference between a Heliport and a vertiport - just have a look on the different articles (even if the authors of Heliport don't seem to see it). Please move vertiport in normal Wikipedia, thanks. It's not a draft. Leo067 (talk) 08:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi Leo067. I'm not Liz, but I've added some information to your user talk page related to translating articles from other Wikipedias into English. Perhaps you'll find it helpful because there are some things related to translating articles into English that you may not know. In addition, drafts for potential articles shouldn't be created in the Wikipedia namespace, they should either be created in the draft namespace or as a userspace draft instead. That's most likely what Liz meant when she stted the page was created in error (i.e. it was created in the wrong namespace) and why she moved the page to Draft:Vertiport. You also shouldn't create pages like Wikipedia talk:Vertiport because that kind of talk page doesn't belong in the Wikipedia namespace. You can post comments related to the draft at Draft talk:Vertiport instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Assistance request Regarding the Abdul Azim Badakhshi's Article

Hello dear @Liz, I am reaching out to you requesting your Cooperation regarding one of my Articles Abdul Azim Badakhshi ,He is fully meet the WP:SPORTSPERSON. Please keep this article and close the nomination for dilation.

I am will be thankful for your assistance.

Sincerely Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 19:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Parwiz ahmadi,

It looks like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Azim Badakhshi has already been closed by another administrator. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz

Someone did nominate it for second time Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdul Azim Badakhshi (2nd nomination), Please close this nomination and keep my article.

Sincerely Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 09:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Undeletion Draft requests

Hello Liz, I hope you doing great?. I had to visit your talk page because you deleted the draft articles Draft:Iyanna Mayweather, Draft:Genesis (restaurant), Draft:Speed Darlington, Draft:Ulugbekhon Maksumov, Draft:SportyBet, Draft:Ozuoba because they were more than six months and was never edited. That was due to my block so I choose to stay off wikipedia as advised by an admin. For reference. I would like the draft pages to be restored as I may improve them later, thanks. Gabriel (talk to me ) 14:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher): the third, forth, and fifth drafts still exist. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 00:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I had to follow the other process Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion/G13 as Liz might be busy caring for her bedbound relative. Gabriel (talk to me ) 00:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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Talk page of a deleted

Liz talk contribs deleted page Talk:Andrey Shishkin ‎(G8: Talk page of a deleted or non-existent page) Tag: Twinkle

Please restore

Please provide a link to a deleted page and sign all of your talk page comments. Like this... Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 attack on Emmanuel Mwambulukutu

Hello. You recently closed this discussion as merge "in case there is information in this article that is not in the target article". I was wondering if you would reconsider this, as there is no information in the article, or the article's history, which has not been exactly copied into Emmanuel Mwambulukutu.

Regards, XabqEfdg (talk) 02:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, XabqEfdg,

If there is no content to merge, then the editor doing the merge will just turn the page into a Redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding removal of Yamaha Artist page

Here's the section of Yamaha's site which features their Yamaha Artists. https://www.yamaha.com/artists/ A directory of their artists can be queried on the top right of the page.

Yamaha also posts regularly about their Yamaha Artists on their Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/yamahaentertainmentgroup/ 47.28.99.22 (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

E.ON Next Wikipedia Page

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.Maria Savage (talk) 10:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I hope you are well.

I am an employee at E.ON Next, the gas and electricity company based in the U.K. We are looking to create our own Wikipedia page, as we currently don't have one to direct our customers too. The most we have is a subsection on E.ON UK's page, as they are our parent business. I can see that in March 2022, you created a draft article for E.ON Next, but it appears to have been abandoned. May I ask what stage you were at with this content? Would it be better for you to delete the article so we can create a new one from scratch? Please let me know what you would best advise, and any help is appreciated.

Thank you so much, Maria.

Dear Maria, I am an independent editor of Wikipedia that happened to see your comment. The E.ON Next section at E.ON UK suffices. Liz did not create the now-deleted draft at Draft:E.ON Next; she deleted it. Ellakirbs had created it and submitted it once, early in 2021. Another editor then resubmitted it multiple times until it was not just declined (pending fixing of content issues), it was actually rejected (meaning a reviewer firmly believed that further submissions should cease because the issues are not going to get fixed). The resubmitter Jess.farm98 received many messages with explanations about what's wrong with the content, including this one: User talk:Jess.farm98 § Your submission at Articles for creation: E.ON Next (September 8) (please read at least some of it, but see the text in the green box in the linked section especially). Eventually, Jess gave up on the standalone article idea and added details about E.ON Next to the E.ON UK article, which was probably a good thing.

So with this prior experience, and seeing that the new initiative to have this article comes from someone in the company, knowing that you are unlikely to be capable of writing suitable content about your company (creating quality encyclopedic content about companies is challenging and is extremely challenging bordering on impossible when the attempt is made by a person with conflict of interest and very little experience editing Wikipedia), and analyzing the already-present content at the E.ON UK article, renewed attempts to create this article should almost certainly not happen.

What should happen is working to improve and update the coverage at the E.ON UK article involving E.ON UK in general and E.ON Next in specific. But this work should not be done by you directly, as you have a conflict of interest (which in this context is just a description of a situation, and not a judgment about a person's opinions, integrity, or good faith). Still, you may suggest changes on that article's talk page. If you decide to involve yourself with this topic, you will need to WP:DISCLOSE your conflict of interest. Sincerely—Alalch E. 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

C'mon....

[32]

You really should be removing the whole thing you know... Now we have to string search to remove these see also additions. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Headbomb,

When we delete articles, we can either leave red links or remove red links. I have chosen to remove the red links. But some articles have dozens or even hundreds of links on other articles. I can't manually check every single link when deleting hundreds of pages a day. If you would prefer, I can leave the red links. But those are the 2 options that I and other admins who focus on deletion have. It would be different if I was just deleting a dozen pages a day but it is typically between 200-300 pages every day. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I would much prefer a red link that gets properly deleted, than a superficial unlinking that leaves pointless text behinds and makes cleanup more difficult. I understand that Twinkle's options might be limited, but that means Twinkle should be updated, or another better tool found (like AWB). It's a condition of WP:MEATBOT that edits made semi-automatically don't sacrifice quality for expediency. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Consider using User:Evad37/Xunlink instead of Twinkle for this - it handles cases like the above in a smarter way. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Rajput Mughal marriage alliances

Issue about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajput Mughal marriage alliances (2nd nomination) Liz, @Zero0000 Ratnahastin has a caste association/conflict of interest in the subject; he belongs to the Rajput caste. I'm afraid he might be encouraging his fellow editors through the backdoor to come and cast votes randomly with not actual explation. I don't see any editors here who clearly talk about cited references and then vote in favor of Delete; they are just randomly pushing Delete votes with no depth or talking seriously about the source. Instead of all this Ratnahastin encouraged editors to come maybe that's why such editors started allegations against the creator? Who might be Sock or might not be sock. And that's why Ratnahastin has been trying to push his own association-based agenda here for the last two weeks. I don't believe in personal attacks or fallacious allegations, but the way he is manipulating, deleting, and arguing with everyone with toxic behavior clearly shows his caste association/conflict of interest. Kindly count every vote before any conclusion, and don't get manipulated by him. I just make sure to raise my concern Infront of you. 2404:3100:18A6:C6A3:1:0:9AF:DFA4 (talk) 04:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Anti-Bengali sentiment

Hi, I saw you moved the page Discrimination against Bengalis in India into Anti-Bengali sentiment. However, if you follow the history, the original title was Discrimination against Bengalis in India before someone changed the original title to Anti-Bengali sentiment unilaterally. I later reverted the unilateral move per WP:RMUM before you removed again. Please also note that the same user also changed the title of the AfD too, which may have led you to mistakenly assume Anti-Bengali sentiment was the original title. Shouldn't the article be moved to the actual original title - Discrimination against Bengalis in India, since it was changed without any discussion? Shubhrojeet (talk) 09:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You need to move on. Many people on AfD supported the page move while you are alone with opposing it. You can start a request per WP:RM to move it if you are really serious about it. Ratnahastin (talk) 12:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Special:contributions/188.253.71.44

Hi Liz, I'm a bit confused. You've reverted without explanation the IP on three different articles they tagged as WP:A7. They re-added the tags, which is against policy. I reverted them for the policy violation and also blocked them for disruption. But it appeared to me that the tags had some merit. Why did you revert them in the first place?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bbb23,

To tell you the truth, I don't recall the exact reason I reverted those taggings. With CSD A7s, sometimes I will move the article to Draft space but I don't generally remove a CSD tag unless I think the deletion request has no merit. With this IP editor, I believe I was looking into their edits after seeing their comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nima Hashemi.

Patrolling CSD categories and AFDs, I have run into a few IP accounts and registered accounts who specifically seek to delete articles on Iranian people and I might have assumed this was one of them. I haven't run into this with articles on people of other nationalities, just Iranian. Most of the accounts seeking article deletion originate in Iran so I've wondered if the requests are political in nature but I don't know enough about the culture to be sure about that. But thank you for bringing this to my attention. I'll try to leave an edit summary and not just revert in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect instead of Delete

Greetings. The decision in the AfD about the "Ryland Adams" article was to Delete it. Yet, GeekInParadise arbitrarily went on to create a Redirect page to "Shane Dawson". However, a Delete decision is not the same as a Redirect (or a Merge) decision. As the admin who decided on the AfD, shouldn't you take it down? -The Gnome (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI, you and I appear to have been wrong

See Wikipedia talk:Changing username#Redirect from old user talk page about the old user talk page we didn't think could be deleted. What Xaosflux says there makes sense, so I did it. The odds of either one of us running into this again are near zero, but I thought you'd like to know. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Antelope Lake Park

This subject is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and should not have been deleted. Similarly, elected pfficials holding statewide office are considered notable. Please stop deleting notable subjects. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FloridaArmy,

It was an expired draft. We generally don't look at the content of the draft, just at the edit history to see when it was edited last by a human editor.

If you want to preserve your work without having to worry about CSD G13s, keep your drafts in your User space and don't tag it with any AFC tags and then SDZeroBot won't list it as a page that should be deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Everyone is welcome to work on drafts. It's troubling that you aren't considering content. Why would we delete drafts on notable subjects? How does that improve Wikipedia? FloridaArmy (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @FloridaArmy, G13 6 month deletion applies to all drafts, regardless of notability. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 20:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Why are we deleting drafts on notable subjects? How does this improve Wikipedia? FloridaArmy (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FloridaArmy,

We are not purposely deleting articles on notable subjects. We are following WP:G13 and this policy doesn't say anything about evaluating expiring drafts based on their perceived quality or merit.

At times, as an individual editor, I have delayed deleting a very well-written draft it if looks main space ready. But, inevitably, the draft creators do not return to work on the draft and it just becomes eligible for CSD G13 six months later. I know there are several editors who postpone deleting your draft articles as actions of an individual editor or admin but that is the exception rather than the rule or policy. You have several editors looking out for you but I only know one other draft creator who receives that treatment and that is Thriley.

I, on the other hand, see some of your drafts from 2022, 2021 and even 2020 that keep getting their deletion postponed and assume you have forgotten about them. At times, I think a CSD G13 deletion can remind an editor that they have unfinished drafts out there that they started and forgot about. By going to WP:REFUND (or not going), they are reminded of these drafts and they can decide whether they want to spend the time polishing them up and submitting them to AFC. So, I think CSD G13 can serve a positive purpose. But I know there are others who disagree with that position. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalking) I do think something would be gained if admins, when deleting a draft, could look at it and see if it would indeed pass if someone requested a move to mainspace. If nothing else, if an editor passes away or otherwise can't finish a draft, it'd be a shame to let it disappear. I'm not sure if this would be a policy change or just something up to the individual admin's discretion. (knowing nothing about this specific example, I'm just speaking generally) Tduk (talk) 00:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Tduk, two points, not to be a bureaucratic wonk about this but every suggestions like this has to be able to work scaled up. It would be different if we were talking about 10 or 20 expiring drafts each day. But we generally have between 150-200+/day and it used to be even more (300-400/day) a couple of years ago. How to evaluate each one of those and what standards are we using? Do the article subjects meet GNG? Then 99.9% of them would fail. We have a tag for "promising drafts" but that is really in the eye of the beholder. Secondly, I use to postpone deleting a lot of drafts that I thought were interesting or promising. We are probably talking about 100 drafts over the past four years. Very, very, very few of the editors who created them ever returned to work on them. Unfortunately, what I see is that if AFC declins a draft, instead of polishing it up and fixing problems, most new editors quit and do not return to work on them. That's tragic and I don't know what we can do about it but if they don't succeed at first, few new editors will try, try again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and I've heard these arguments regarding similar issues on wikimedia commons - that there simply aren't enough people doing the work that needs to be done for upkeep for them to all put in the due diligence that the encyclopedia deserves; I don't have any answers for it _but_ I think we should be asking ourselves if we can do anything differently, over and over again, because things like this don't look good to people looking in from the outside, who, if they had a different impression, might have more faith in the project and be the new editors that we need. Does that make any sense? Tduk (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

An aside, maybe a lot of the work with deleting drafts can be done by non-admins; the deletion itself can be admins, but maybe more formal non-admin review process for drafts (and moving no namespace) wouldn't be the worst idea; or does anything like this exist and I don't know about it? A draft orphan project maybe, where drafts that are five months old can get a fresh set of eyeballs. If we don't have anything like that currently I'd be happy to float the idea in person at the next meet-up I end up at where it's appropriate. Tduk (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:AFC has 3186 pending drafts that non-admins can get involved with to look at and potentially move to mainspace. I don't see where the manpower might come from for a second draft review process. G13s can be undeleted upon request though. CMD (talk) 02:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is that typically people don't get involved unless it's requested (i.e. submit); are there other circumstances? Tduk (talk) 03:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Userpage redirects

Hi Liz, I noticed the deletion of User talk:MemeGod27. Is there a reason it does not redirect to the current username? There is a GAN currently open under this username, and it now shows the talkpage as a redlink instead of sending the user where they want to go. Best, CMD (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)