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* '''Support once ready/once POTD is posted'''. I can't think of a film more historic and ground-breaking than this. The fact that Disney does not prevent this film from entering public domain is also pretty surprising, as normally, film studios try to keep their films copyrighted for as long as possible. Definitely an ITN event (also given that notable media talks about this) in my eyes. - [[User:CDE34RFV|CDE34RFV]] ([[User talk:CDE34RFV|talk]]) 17:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support once ready/once POTD is posted'''. I can't think of a film more historic and ground-breaking than this. The fact that Disney does not prevent this film from entering public domain is also pretty surprising, as normally, film studios try to keep their films copyrighted for as long as possible. Definitely an ITN event (also given that notable media talks about this) in my eyes. - [[User:CDE34RFV|CDE34RFV]] ([[User talk:CDE34RFV|talk]]) 17:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

* Let the POTD folks do it first. Afterwards, would be happy to '''support'''. [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 18:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)


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December 30

December 30, 2023 (2023-12-30) (Saturday)

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  • Google settles a $5 billion privacy lawsuit alleging that it spied on users using "incognito" mode in its Chrome browser, misleading users by implying their internet activities would not be tracked, while advertising technologies continued to collect information. (ABC News)

RD: Tom Wilkinson

Article: Tom Wilkinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Highly acclaimed British actor of film, television, and stage. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Steamboat Willie in the public domain

Article: Steamboat Willie (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Steamboat Willie, the first appearance of Mickey Mouse, enters the public domain. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN, AP
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Article needs updating

Obviously, this should not be posted until Jan 1 ticks over. The article does need sourcing improvement before it can be posted, but it does have a section dedicated to this copyright aspect, which has been one of those things that copyright experts have been anticipating for years and the fact Disney did not try to extend its copyright (though there's other protections around this). --Masem (t) 16:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support once ready/once POTD is posted. I can't think of a film more historic and ground-breaking than this. The fact that Disney does not prevent this film from entering public domain is also pretty surprising, as normally, film studios try to keep their films copyrighted for as long as possible. Definitely an ITN event (also given that notable media talks about this) in my eyes. - CDE34RFV (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let the POTD folks do it first. Afterwards, would be happy to support. qw3rty 18:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Hudgell

Article: Tony Hudgell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine-year-old Tony Hudgell becomes the youngest ever person to be awarded the British Empire Medal. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated

Mjroots (talk) 09:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Tragic story and article is of good quality. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 09:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose These types of "firsts" are better covered by DYK, not ITN. --Masem (t) 13:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ineligible for DYK. Mjroots (talk) 13:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • Unfortunately, that's true. This is why I think we should have DYK be open to nominations there of articles where something interesting has just happened that is reported in the news but not the type of story that is good for ITN. — Masem (t) 14:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        • The article appeared on DYK on 28 August 2022. See talk page. JennyOz (talk) 15:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not ITN-worthy. Anecdotal and not much more. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:19, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this even the UK's highest civilian award? It shows up pretty low on Template:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom, though the higher ones all seem to be military in nature. —Cryptic 17:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I note that this piece of trivia ("youngest ever") isn’t even mentioned in the article. Schwede66 17:56, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gil de Ferran

Article: Gil de Ferran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Autoweek
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French-born Brazilian racing driver. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:6909:F19:8772:5F70 (talk) 03:54, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article has multiple unsourced sections. They should probably be improved before posting. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 29

December 29, 2023 (2023-12-29) (Friday)

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RD: Michael Hardie Boys

Article: Michael Hardie Boys (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand
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Article updated
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Former Governor-General of New Zealand. Some sourcing needs to improve. Schwede66 05:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've added some content and everything that's there is now referenced. It could be expanded, but it's good to go in its current form. Schwede66 05:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 28

December 28, 2023 (2023-12-28) (Thursday)

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RD: Mbongeni Ngema

Article: Mbongeni Ngema (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, SABC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

South African musician and playwright. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:794F:2A2F:5B15:170 (talk) 21:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have just upgraded this article significantly, although it could always do with more. Page view up from nearly zero to over 20,000 on the 27th nearly 40,000 on the 28th. (Not sure how these days are calculated - which time zone?) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - widely covered, notable, high page views, article quality now okay, close to fully cited. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 14:23, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - still uncited tags and an unreferenced section. Nigej (talk) 20:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've just cited the last few outstanding things, and hidden a couple of uncited for later checking. It's ready to go and it is timely as he has just died. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Oxley

Article: Tony Oxley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Free Jazz Collective,The Guardian
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British free jazz drummer. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do all albums which already have their own article also need refs? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vijayakanth

Article: Vijayakanth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Livemint
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Procedural support | Meets requirements. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:21, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The subject is very much covered by various news outlets and media channels. The article has been well sourced and there are around two Citation tags to be amended. Abishe (talk) 06:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Several cn tags and an unsourced section. Article's tone such as some of the wording used makes the article a bit unencyclopedic. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:57, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The subject is very much covered by various news channels.Thousands of people at his funeral and major figure in Tamil Nadu Politics.Article is well written.Errors are being fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8F8:1473:923D:B107:CA3E:5C7E:54AE (talk) 17:06, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Three orange tags and, more generally, many missing citations across the article. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 17:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Largely unsourced and much work required to get it the to required state. Nigej (talk) 20:18, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @TDKR Chicago 101,@ Chaotic Enby,@ Nigej I have added more references to the articles and cleared the concerns with regards to orange tags and citation tags. I hope it is much better now to take a look at it. Abishe (talk) 05:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support now Much improved article. Good decision to remove uncited honours secton. Nigej (talk) 09:30, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 27

December 27, 2023 (2023-12-27) (Wednesday)

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RD: Herb Kohl

Article: Herb Kohl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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It needs work. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Article looks alright for me and Kohl's notable enough to deserve a post. Support in principle, Oppose on quality - CDE34RFV (talk) 12:42 & 20:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Two unsourced sections and some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Added some refs. While the committee assignments section still needs refs, I believe it is uncontroversial enough that it shouldn't be an obstacle to posting. Davey2116 (talk) 06:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Davey2116. I believe it should be ready to post now. - CDE34RFV (talk) 11:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gaston Glock

Article: Gaston Glock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Inventor of the Glock pistol. Johndavies837 (talk) 23:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Article is brief but adequate. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:24, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Ad Orientem as the brand itself is iconic (through news, TV, videogames, films and music videos), moreso than its founder. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Pivotal figure for polymer pistols. Koltinn (talk) 23:34, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:23, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled blurb, posted RD) RD/Blurb: Jacques Delors

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Article: Jacques Delors (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of the European Commission Jacques Delors (pictured) dies at the age of 98. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Independent
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Eighth president of the EU, Minister of Finance in France, led the Delors Committee – Carhles (talk) 17:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - one cn as far as I can see, but otherwise looks fine. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • blurb? Delors is a figure worthy of blurb. Being executive president of an international organization such as the EU, and having a fundamental role in monetary integration with the euro and the future of the EU are reasons that, IMO, are sufficient for a blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:09, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and I also think a blurb should be considered, he had a profound impact on recent European history. Yakikaki (talk) 21:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as per above. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready Referencing is in poor shape. This is going to need some work before it can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ad Orientem: Fixed. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb in principle, oppose on quality He basically invented the Euro, so I think he passes the significance test. Quality of article is poor though. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:27, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @NorthernFalcon: Article's quality such as sourcing has been fixed. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb on principle, as I think we should abolish them entirely except for assassinations, murders, &cThis post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb as he played a key role in the transition from the European Economic Community to the European Union.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article now adequately sourced--Ipigott (talk) 11:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as not as important as e.g. a world leader, which is the standard ITN requires currently to have a blurb for their death. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Blurb should simply read "Former president of the European Commission". Have firmed up referencing problems.--Ipigott (talk) 12:26, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Important figure in the EU, influential figure in EU-politics and the article's quality is not bad. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:52, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Well done to everyone who helped fix the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. Update the picture when ready. --Tone 16:02, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose blurb While ready for RD, the article does not have any significant details of what his influence was beyond a lede and a body sentence. There appears to be sources that would be able to build out a paragraph or three to better explain this, but without it, a blurb was definitely undue at this time. --Masem (t) 17:27, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The “President of the European Commission” section looks like a good summary of his work, with more details about his achievements available on Delors Commission. I don’t know if any further expansion is really needed per WP:SPINOFF when the main article is linked immediately below the section’s title.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:58, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose blurb I oppose posting any RD as a blurb where the death itself isn't a big story. We should only blurb deaths if the reaction is like David Bowie-level, or where the death itself is the story, like a military strike or assassination. I believe that the death should be transformational, rather than focusing on the life. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull, what a coup! Bureaucrat who reached 98% of 100 years of age and doesn't meet any of the extremely loose requirements for a blurb posted. Insufficient debate time allotted. Abductive (reasoning) 18:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What would you propose as sufficient debate time?—Bagumba (talk) 02:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    More than 1 day. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:04, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support although I completely understand the objections such as Muboshgu's above. In the end, we either stop posting RDs as blurbs completely, or we end up having these arguments about how notable these people are. We've got it wrong a lot of times now. Black Kite (talk) 18:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We sure have. And I do respect the view that led to posting this as a blurb and don't expect it to be pulled. Seems he had an impactful life. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support, important person who meets the blurb requirements. Sahaib (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One half sentence of relevant, non-redundant prose update. Objectively does not meet WP:ITNCRIT. Posting this was negligent and no admin should have considered it. Pull. —Cryptic 18:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull blurb per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:57, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull Blurb per Cryptic. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    In addition, I have serious issues about the prose size for an article about a supposedly transformative figure in global politics. Delors's article has under 1,000 words of prose outside of the lede and textboxes. Heck, I think most sports articles for moderately important sportspeople are longer. And for having such an important role in the creation of the Eurozone, the paragraph in question that discusses how Delors contributed thereto is all of MAYBE five sentences long, and that's being generous. Yikes. DarkSide830 (talk) 08:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull He was sleeping at home. That's all the update adds. He could have cured cancer in the '90s and it wouldn't change the non-storiness of this supposedly big story. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:20, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull Posted absurdly fast (less than 24h) later without strong consensus re: blurb. WP:ITNRDBLURB is fairly clear that posting a blurb for a “major figure” requires a thorough discussion to establish consensus, and suggests that the RD post is adequate during such time. There is no reason for the blurb to be posted so quickly. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Posted absurdly fast (less than 24h)...: It was posted after 22+ hrs. —Bagumba (talk) 03:01, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what you're getting at... but
    • Oppose blurb His timely death is nothing more than a timely death. Does his passing meet the threshold of coverage we normally require when taking a highly coveted spot on ITN? Personally, I don't think so.
    Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:31, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what you're getting at... You said posting after less than 24 hours was "absurd". I stated it was posted at 22+ hours. So I guess that ~2 hour difference made it "absurd" for you?—Bagumba (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there something wrong with that? Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulled and dropped down to RD - Given the above comments and clear lack of current consensus for a blurb at this time. No cricitism of the initial decision, as there was an initial support for a blurb, but with comments since the posting there is a clear absence of consensus. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb An influential EU leader, yes, but does not meet the exceptional requirements for a blurb. RD is sufficient. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Per others above Centuries123 (talk) 06:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose pulling As I previously stated, I don't think we should be pulling blurbs except in egregious cases of quality issues. There was consensus at the time of posting, so let it just be. We're posting too little anyway. Khuft (talk) 13:30, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Per above. Doesn't make the grade. Nigej (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose pulling I agree with Khuft. If there are no quality issues to require pulling, then I think we should leave it up. I remember the same thing happened with John Lewis a few years back; in both cases pulling an already-posted death blurb just seems odd. Davey2116 (talk) 06:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The issue is a lack of a substantial text update, which is not a direct violation of, but runs contrary to what is generally desired under WP:ITNUPDATE. This is, effectively, a quality issue as it related to ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 07:53, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Influential figure, fixture in European politics. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted) RD/Blurb: Wolfgang Schäuble

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Article: Wolfgang Schäuble (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Deutsche Welle
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German cabinet minister in many governments, longest-serving parliamentarian in German history, negotiator of German reunification and euro crisis – Marco polo (talk) 15:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That sound like a blurb. Key figure in German politics in last forty years.
More than 100 references (119 as of now). Is it enough for posting RD at least? Kirill C1 (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The truth is that he was a figure that was important beyond the German borders, as he was "director" of the European management of the economic crisis from 2008 onwards, affecting the countries of southern Europe (and negatively affecting his reputation). I think a blurb may be, perhaps, worthy of discussion. In any case, there are lines and paras that have no sources and should be fixed. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Chiming in here to also support the idea of a blurb. Another very important European politician to pass away recently. Yakikaki (talk) 21:18, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Passed away recently, but a couple of years after he'd left active political importance. There's no need to replace him, as there is for, say, Rotimi Akeredolu. There might be some real intrigue/shakeup in that case (and similar ones). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If he was that important, it is not clear immediately from the article. It needs something like a Legacy or Impact section (perhaps tied to the Recognitions section) to explain this in detail. There may be bits and pieces buried in other sections, but we should have something that makes it very clear to the reader why we're drawing special attention to this person. (I also feel the quality is on the weaker side for a blurb). Masem (t) 12:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready A handful of CN tags but also an orange neutrality tag that definitely has to be handled before this could be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support RD Much improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:32, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb on quality per Ad Orientem. On notability, however, at least RD. Schäuble was one of, if not the most influential non-ruling post-war politician in Germany. Being Minister of the Interior during German reunification and Finance Minister during Europe's biggest economical crisis says a lot about his influence not just in Germany, but also in Europe (as Marco Polo and Alsor already said). In addition to being a trailblazer for physically disabled politicians in Germany, I, as a German, can confirm that Schäuble was generally well-liked and highly regarded across party/ideological lines. As such, the news of his demise were met with dismay not just from politicians, but also from the people in general. - CDE34RFV (talk) 12:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    By now Support Blurb. Article looks good and no tags left. Maybe I'm biased, but if Delors gets blurbed, then Schäuble deserves it as well. - CDE34RFV (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Delors got pulled from the blurb since. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 11:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Everyone is presumed notable enough for RD by default. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 11:48, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose on article's quality. The controversy section has two tags. I've been told before that controversy sections are a bit tricky in terms for the article's quality and that removing the section altogether wasn't a bad idea. Not sure what others think?
    Schäuble was involved in the CDU donations scandal and lost influence. Should be in the Controversies section. Also his role in the EU debt crisis concerning Greece. The rest should be removed. Grimes2 (talk) 13:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Be that is it may, the section has two tags with some issues in terms of neutrality. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've rewritten the section. Two small subsections left over. I've removed also the two orange tags. Grimes2 (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support RD looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:57, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD per TDKR Chicago 101. Grimes2 (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD as well. Article is fine. Support blurb too, if the discussion turns that way, but let's already post it as RD. Khuft (talk) 13:32, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD / Oppose Blurb Clearly meets threshold for RD, but doesn't rise to the level of blurb, even though he was a key figure in regional/national politics. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:36, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Everyone who has article meets threshold for RD. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:04, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Definitely a transformative figure in the history of Germany, as well as the eurozone as a whole. Davey2116 (talk) 06:37, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. No doubt an important figure within German politics. But there are 195 particular countries out there and reading through the article I struggle to see even the alleged massive role that Schäuble played in the EU besides the article seeming to state a lot that he was playing "hardball [sic]". DarkSide830 (talk) 07:58, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But Germany is the country whose politics influences other countries. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Admins willing to post ITN: Is this RD ready? BangJan1999 17:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted as RD – Schwede66 17:24, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ghali Umar Na'Abba

Article: Ghali Umar Na'Abba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Channels TV, Peoples Gazette
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Former Speaker, Nigerian lower chamber. Article needs some cleanup. – Ammarpad (talk) 11:36, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rotimi Akeredolu

Article: Rotimi Akeredolu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Hausa, The Cable
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Incumbent governor of Ondo State Additional references, Channelstv, Premium times Gwanki (talk) 10:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Just one CN tag. I think it's passable for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:39, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I "took care of" that dubious claim. Still a little left for nitpickers to fix, grammarwise. Was thinking a blurb might be in order earlier, but no longer. The new governor seems to have known this moment was coming for a good while, and the transition went smoothly. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lee Sun-kyun

Article: Lee Sun-kyun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Guardian
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Sad story. Some citation issues but it seems that it's almost there. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:27, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is an unsourced claim in the 2007-2012 section. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added that CN; can't find any English-language sources to confirm that Lee was appointed ambassador for the Health Insurance Review Agency in 2007, and won an award from the Korea Advertisers Association in 2008. Maybe there is something in Korean. Funcrunch (talk) 06:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’m going to be bold and remove that sentence, since I haven’t been able to find any sources that mention the appointment or specific reward, and it is only one sentence. There is possibly a source for it though so if it is found it should be added back in. Dantus21 (talk) 02:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support though issues needs resolving first. Mainly as he was one of the stars of one of Korea's best known film. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support There are some issues in the article but most of the it seems decently cited. There is a merge proposal but imo that shouldn’t block an RD listing since that’s more technical and not related to any content issues. Dantus21 (talk) 02:00, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 12:30, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - very notable, and the article is decent enough. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vasilis Karras

Article: Vasilis Karras (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lifo
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Additional references if needed: Lifo, eKathimerini, Greek City Times or Greek Reporter. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 10:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 26

December 26, 2023 (2023-12-26) (Tuesday)

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RD: Tom Smothers

Article: Tom Smothers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Half of the Smothers Brothers, a popular comedy duo of the 60's. Hosted a very popular tv show in the 1960s, The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, where many acts of the time appeared on, including The Who's imfamous drum explosion caused by Keith Moon. Was also one of the many there in 1969 who sang on Give Peace a Chance at Lennon's Bed-in in Montreal. Article will likely need some editing to pass though. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He was a rare anti-war voice on television in the 1960s. His show was eventually cancelled for their opposition to the Vietnam War. Ahseaton (talk) 04:26, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Kernan

Article: David Kernan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twitter
Credits:

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English actor and singer, death announced through his official Twitter account. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 15:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lukas Enembe

Article: Lukas Enembe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

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Former Governor of Papua in Indonesia. Juxlos (talk) 07:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Plateau State massacres

Article: 2023 Plateau State massacres (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 140 people are killed in a series of massacres across Plateau State, Nigeria, believed to be linked to the ongoing bandit conflict. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Nigeria, bandits kill about 140 people in Plateau State.
News source(s): ABC News Guardian (Nigeria) Daily Telegraph (UK)
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Article updated
  • Major escalation in Nigerian bandit conflict. Significant as farmer-herder and Christian-Muslim conflicts intensify in the Sahel. Very high death toll. Sheila1988 (talk) 22:11, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Was about to nominate this. Conditional support due to quality. — Knightoftheswords 22:14, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support due to high quality Lukt64 (talk) 00:58, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support when it's no longer a stub. That is what is meant by quality, Lukt64. We don't post stubs. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until quality improves --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:16, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance, Oppose on quality currently. AryKun (talk) 07:21, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
● Support as per above. Rager7 (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - quality looks fine to me. No tags, everything cited to RSes. No longer a stub, now start class. Significance criteria easily met. Levivich (talk) 17:17, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • admin comment Despite what some editors above say, this article is still a stub. Information that is contained in the lead is missing from the body. If someone invests half an hour into expansion and tidy up, this could be ready. Schwede66 17:32, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Schwede66 I think I've managed to clean the article up decently, it should be gtg now. AryKun (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That there are only two sentences about the event, and 50% is just background, I feel more can be done here. --Masem (t) 22:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb - this is clearly important enough to post & the article is of sufficient quality. X2023X (talk) 01:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very significant. Article is in a decent shape and looks ready. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted – Schwede66 04:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I lack familiarity with the conflict in question, so I do not want my suppositions to be taken too seriously, but is the use of the term "bandit" here compliant with WP:NPOV (particularly in the context of the main page)? I know it could just be a case of a false cognate tripping me up, but the term comes off as quite sensationalist to me. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 02:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The perpetrators of the Nigerian bandit conflict are usually referred to as bandits. X2023X (talk) 16:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 25

December 25, 2023 (2023-12-25) (Monday)

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RD: Bill Granger

Article: Bill Granger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-27/chef-bill-granger-dies-aged-54-on-christmas-day/103266588
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Article updated
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Australian chef and food writer who operated restaurants across the world, including in Australia, Japan, South Korea and the UK

Support, after citations are added for TV shows. He was apparently very well known. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:20, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Christmas in Ukraine

Consensus to post will not develop. (non-admin closure) Polyamorph (talk) 06:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Christmas in Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Christmas in Ukraine (pictured) is officially celebrated on 25 December for the first time in over a century. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ For the first time in over a century, Christmas in Ukraine is officially celebrated on 25 December, where before it had been celebrated on 7 January.
Alternative blurb II: ​ For the first time in over a century, Christmas in Ukraine is officially celebrated on 25 December, following decision of the local Orthodox Church and legislation of the Verkhovna Rada.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, NYT, France 24, Reuters, NPR, Hindustan Times
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Article updated
The other main page sections are running Christmas-themed topics today and so it would be good for ITN to run a Christmas story too. This one seems reasonably historic. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:43, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose This should have been nominated and posted when the reform was approved: either on 24 May 2023, when the Orthodox Church of Ukraine officially approved the date or on 28 July 2023 when President Zelensky signed the law confirming the new date, according to our article. The current blurb sounds as if the decision came out of the blue. Brandmeistertalk 10:20, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would have been too crystal back then. And it's in the news now because it's happening now. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added an altblurb to make the context of the date change more clear. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, and the article is of reasonable quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:58, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability. But there are two Orthodox Churches in Ukraine, so I would probably omit the "following decision of the local Orthodox Church" part. Kirill C1 (talk) 13:47, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose while other sections can tailor content to holidays, news happens when it happens, and we should not just promote stories that we would not normally promote. Here, just the move of the date of the celebration is not sufficient to post. --Masem (t) 14:17, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It's in the news, see [3] and other outlets. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Just being reported in the news is not sufficient for posting. The simple change of a holiday date would not be posted as ITN. Masem (t) 16:52, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per above, in a typically slow news cycle, this seems like a notable event that is in the news and the article is of sufficient quality. Would be nice if we could post this today. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 per above. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability not a good idea to get a celebration of a holiday on ITN. Any country can have their first celebration at of a holiday. --Jiaminglimjm (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    But it's Christmas! Kirill C1 (talk) 21:11, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - In The News, relevant to public interest surrounding Christmas. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, this is historic and timely. -- Tavix (talk) 18:45, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as old news It should've been nominated in July, when parliament approved the new law and Zelensky signed it.[1] Now it's more suitable for DYK. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But there are always arguments "We should wait till it actually happens". Kirill C1 (talk) 21:12, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as non-notable. Interesting, but not notable for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very interesting. Article looks good and the fact that it's celebrated in the country for the first time in over a century makes it very notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 23:41, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose - covered by ongoing, the split in the churches being a part of the war, and beyond that trivial nableezy - 23:46, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not that significant in the grand scheme of things, and also as noted above the change itself happened much earlier in the year.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose It's getting some coverage but the quality of that coverage is not great. This is just part of a fairly complicated subject involving a major schism within Orthodox Christianity in Ukraine. There are at least three major groups claiming to be the legitimate Orthodox jurisdiction in Ukraine, two of which are recognized by differing autocephalous churches. And this doesn't count all of the splinter groups including so called True Orthodox etc or the UGCC which is aligned with the Roman Catholic Church. At least one of the main churches and all of the smaller Old Calendarist jurisdictions still use the Julian Calendar. To say that the religious situation in Ukraine is byzantine (pun intended) would be an understatement, and almost none of the mainstream press media sources have more than a slight clue. I'm Orthodox and routinely reach for the Tylenol whenever the subject of the church in Ukraine comes up. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose All blurbs are misleading as they fail to illustrate the main point. Ukrainian authorities didn’t explicitly change the date of Christmas to 25 December but just made 7 January to be a regular working day (note that Ukraine is a secular state, so the authorities cannot interfere in the freedom of religion). That’s it. Some Ukrainians celebrate it on 25 December, while others do it on 7 January. It’s a matter of personal choice.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:40, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • It seems they did. The law signed by Zelensky did move the Christmas date from 7 January to 25 December, while the day before the Ukrainian Orthodox Church adopted the revised Julian calendar that currently coincides with the Gregorian calendar (meaning Christmas would be observed on 25 December). Brandmeistertalk 11:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's exactly what I said. They shifted the non-working day from 7 January to 25 December. This means that religious people who observe Christmas on 7 January now need to take a day off from work to celebrate. Other than that, there's absolutely no significance in this change. I agree that Ukrainian Orthodox Church's decision to adopt the revised Julian calendar was much more notable, but it happened five months ago and it's nowhere mentioned in the suggested blurbs.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:49, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is significant change, it signals cultural and religious shift towards West. Kirill C1 (talk) 13:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree. I come from a European NATO member state where the local Orthodox church, which is neither the Russian nor the Serbian, uses the Julian calendar and we observe Christmas on 7 January. I don’t see how that makes me less pro-Western or more pro-Russian. Our authorities have resolved this in a very elegant way—25 December is a non-working day for those adhering to a church that uses either the Gregorian or the revised Julian calendar, and 7 January is a non-working day for those adhering to a church that uses the Julian calendar.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Interesting but a footnote in the ongoing war (from which this derives its significance). Gotitbro (talk) 15:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's a PR stunt that has no long lasting significance compared to most other things in the war. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:45, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What the other main page sections do has nothing to do with newsworthiness. I just don't see the significance of this story; government holidays get moved all the time, and if there's major religious significance to this it's quite unclear what that might be. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:52, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I cannot imagine that this would have even been nominated if it had occured in any other eastern European nation. This nom is here because of the war. But it doesn't mention the war. It's a bit dishonest, and not hugely significant for the country. HiLo48 (talk) 21:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above Shadow4dark (talk) 04:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per HiLo48 Elisecars727 (talk) 06:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Henry Sandon

Article: Henry Sandon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian
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Article updated
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Ceramics historian. Seems basically complete. Blythwood (talk) 20:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 24

December 24, 2023 (2023-12-24) (Sunday)

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RD: Kamar de los Reyes

Article: Kamar de los Reyes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
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240D:1A:4B5:2800:209B:28DD:5A6D:5AED (talk) 07:27, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ingrid Steeger

Article: Ingrid Steeger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesschau
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German actress and comedian. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:751B:E940:C692:8064 (talk) 18:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. The article heading and her life and career section is way too short. It should be expanded more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are currently only 96 words of prose in this wikibio, followed by a string of unsourced bullet-points. Please expand this wikibio and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 18:00, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is a stub. Schwede66 18:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Libai

Article: David Libai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/former-justice-minister-david-libai-dies-aged-89/
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Israeli Minister of Justice from 1992 to 1996. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. All sourced, looks good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:30, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The date of birth is unreferenced. Schwede66 18:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is now a footnote for his date and place of birth in the main prose. However, the Published works section is still unsourced. --PFHLai (talk) 18:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 23

December 23, 2023 (2023-12-23) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: Hugh Aynesworth

Article: Hugh Aynesworth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

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– Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chem Pluto

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 23:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2023 attack on the Chem Pluto (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A chemical tanker is hit by an Iranian drone in the Indian Ocean. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, DW, FleetMon, Hindustani Times, Reuters, Times of India
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Article updated
This is breaking news and so needs expansion but seems to be a significant escalation in the recent shipping attacks in that the target was a ship off the coast of India, sailing to a port in India and crewed by Indians. Many other nations seem to be involved. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until article quality improves, but support on notability. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:00, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sounds important, but unclear how important this actually is or if there will be any long term consequences. Don't see much news reporting about this attack besides "the tanker was hit by a drone". Haven't seen much in terms of reactions. Natg 19 (talk) 09:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Seventh Iranian attack on commercial shipping since 2021" per the DW source, with no casualties and little other indication that this one is more significant than the others. Our article (currently miles away from WP:ITNUPDATE) certainly doesn't reflect any. —Cryptic 10:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iran is denying that they made the attack and the Indian Navy is investigating. So, we must await developments but it's already significant in that the shipping route from the Persian Gulf to India is now threatened and there's no alternative route, like there is for the Red Sea. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • When nobody gets hurt and very little is damaged, there's no need for an alternative route. Shipping folk know the dangers, by land, air or sea. All the other however many thousand ships need is a little luck and basic technical proficiency. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - A Liberian flagged, Japanese owned, Dutch operated tanker, with Indian and Vietnamese personnel, that was hit by an Iranian drone, with the Indian navy responding, and being considered related to a civil war in Yemen, itself related to a war in Israel and Palestine. Quite a mix, certainly a large international impact. 102.38.63.199 (talk) 18:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait We need a clearer idea of exactly who did what, to whom, how bad it was, and whether it is likely to be seen as more serious than previous incidents in the area. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose Incident is unlikely to have any lasting significance that makes it stand out from all the others. Likely fails WP:EVENT. I have tagged the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Unless this has any lasting impact and consequences, it wouldn't make sense to post it. TwistedAxe [contact] 15:21, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing for the recent shipping attacks in general. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 01:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I waited to !vote to give some time for expansion, but no effort has been made to improve beyond a stub. Polyamorph (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Doesn't seem notable enough, and the article is quite small. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 06:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Polymorph, plus the incident seems to have no more lasting significance than any of the other recent attacks on shipping. The Kip 08:04, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: M. M. Rajendran

Article: M. M. Rajendran (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Odisha Governor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Much of the article is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are still quite a few footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:28, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bonda Mani

Article: Bonda Mani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Renowned actor and comedian who had appeared in over 270 films. Abishe (talk) 06:18, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Torben Ulrich

Article: Torben Ulrich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, Tennis.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Father of Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:41C:5579:CBAA:C73C (talk) 10:01, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support Article has enough inline citations, although I am a bit concerned that one of the sources is tagged as being potentially unreliable. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:28, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tennis results aren't sourced (I'd be tempted to remove them tbh). Black Kite (talk) 10:13, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The tennis results have remained sourced, and time is running out for this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 17:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ian Punnett

Article: Ian Punnett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WGN Radio The Star Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Weekend host of Coast to Coast AM. 173.71.151.40 (talk) 06:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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