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November 30
November 30, 2022
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RD: Christine McVie
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Fleetwood Mac vocalist --Vacant0 (talk) 19:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is extensive and updated. Subject was a prominent member of Fleetwood Mac, a major global musical act (R&R Hall of Fame, 4 US and 4 UK number one albums, etc) GeoGreg (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Abu al-Hasan al-Hashimi al-Qurashi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by 4me689 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: 3rd Caliph of the Islamic State 4me689 (talk) 19:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Davide Rebellin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by 4me689 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian racing cyclist 4me689 (talk) 15:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready Referencing is quite poor and will require work. Additionally the date of death is not clear and there is no citation. The lead claims Nov. 30, but lower down it says he was struck and killed over the weekend of the 26th. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Two new minerals Elkinstantonite and Elaliite
Blurb: Two never-before-been-seen on Earth minerals, Elkinstantonite and Elaliite, are discovered inside a 17-ton meteorite (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Alborzagros (talk · give credit)
- Created by CT55555 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
CMD (talk) 08:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- This is extremely cool and I hope these articles will be expanded greatly. A merge might be an option too, as these two articles have a lot of duplicate information. Regardless, these two articles as they stand now are not suitable for an ITN feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I am all for good science stories but these two are really short. Maybe a better target would be the article about this meteorite? Tone 10:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- There doesn't seem to be an article on the meteorite individually either. This feels more like a DYK. Masem (t) 13:22, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm working on it Draft:El Ali meteorite CT55555(talk) 19:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Done El Ali meteorite. Seems like this is one of the largest meteorites on Earth. CT55555(talk) 19:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- There doesn't seem to be an article on the meteorite individually either. This feels more like a DYK. Masem (t) 13:22, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I am all for good science stories but these two are really short. Maybe a better target would be the article about this meteorite? Tone 10:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I have no strong understanding of asteroid science, but haven’t they discovered new minerals in meteorites every so often? Juxlos (talk) 11:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Approximately 100 new minerals are recognised every year (see List of minerals recognized by the International Mineralogical Association). It's not unknown for them to appear only in extraterrestrial samples - just two months ago, a new mineral was discovered in a Moon rock [2]. While this story is mildly interesting and the press release has generated a couple of media stories, it has no other significance or likely lasting impact. DYK seems a more appropriate venue, though it might be better to start an article on the meteorite itself and merge the two mineral descriptions into that. Modest Genius talk 13:38, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Question (I started both articles mentioned) to what extent are the 100 per year notable, making international news, justifying articles? Are there 100 new mineral articles per year, or is this indeed something unusual? CT55555(talk) 17:22, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Reluctant Oppose per above. Normally I would support this as it sounds rather interesting. But it does seem to be not altogether uncommon. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:15, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
Blurb/RD: Jiang Zemin
Blurb: Jiang Zemin (pictured), former General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, dies at the age of 96. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Chipmunkdavis (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)
Article updated
CMD (talk) 08:42, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Blurb highly important figure in modern Chinese history. Some lack of referencing and all, but that’s gotta be resolved before RD anyway. Juxlos (talk) 08:46, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wow that’s fast. Anyways support on notability, however since the death was literally just announced I suggest we wait until tomorrow so all things that are supposed to be edited is edited before posting on RD. Also there’s an orange tag that needs to be resolved. SBS6577P (talk) 08:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb obviously. Long-term president of China and general secretary of party in the inportant period. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb on notability, once article is fixed. starship.paint (exalt) 09:04, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb A leader of the most populous country in the world and an economic reformer who opened up the country deserves a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Multiple citation tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 10:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb: Major figure in contemporary history, an important leader for China. Would be silly to omit him; but do take a while to wait before adding. MarcelDupré1886 (talk) 10:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb The death of a long-serving former president of China obviously needs a blurb. Wait until all article problems that need to be resolved before posting on RD are resolved. Evaxooooof25 (talk) 11:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support anything. Important and long-serving leader who's popular in online culture (toad worship). Good article. ~~lol1VNIO🎌 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 11:11, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality for now. A lot of uncited material, including one whole section. Happy for blurb once that's resolved. — Amakuru (talk) 11:35, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb per Kiril Simeonovski and Juxlos. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 11:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb, important political figure passes.
- B-MIKE -(Talk) 12:52, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality for now, 15 citation needed tags - Dumelow (talk) 13:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, sourcing issues. Oppose blurb would support RD only because we have nothing extra to say than that he died. No extra explanation means nothing to say in a blurb. --Jayron32 14:07, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. Still one CN tag. Zemin's role in developing modern China is quite large - certainly more notable than just any old leader. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support but please wait a few hours. People are already starting to work on improving the article, with a fast pace of edits. I'm personally trying to add citations to Kuhn 2004 which seems like a respected work; hopefully the CN tags can be resolved quickly. DFlhb (talk) 14:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I have been trimming down the article for a bit. It feels like multiple different people with very little knowledge of the subject has been using the article for an essay-writing practice, so I decided to be aggressive and remove a good chunk of unsourced statements. Plenty of redundant text blocks, too. Juxlos (talk) 14:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: I appreciate your efforts here, but unfortunately I think this has may have been a bit overzealous, for example "Beginning in 1996, Jiang began a series of reforms in the state-controlled media aimed at promoting the "core of leadership" under himself, and at the same time crushing some of his political opponents" and statements like that. If true, it sounds like the sort of thing that should be in the article, and we should concentrate on trying to find sourcing for it rather than chopping it... It's a bit of a paradox, because we want everything cited, but equally we don't usually remove material on sight without at least verifying that no obvious sourcing is available... Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've added a bunch of citations and a fair bit of detail, and with the help of other editors we've finally resolved all citation needed tags. The article is still light on details on his actual tenure; I'll start work on that. But at least there don't appear to be any obvious falsehoods. I think we're good to go. DFlhb (talk) 19:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb Significant former head of state and article looks good. --2601:249:8E00:420:1409:FBDA:FC7:F1DA (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb important leader, former leader of China. article highly notable. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- There are at least 5 CN tags still unresolved here, so this is not yet ready to post. --Masem (t) 20:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Those were just added. I've now fixed those except for 1 (an award; couldn't find a source, but I'd support keeping it, hopefully with front-page exposure someone will be able to confirm or debunk it). DFlhb (talk) 21:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
November 29
November 29, 2022
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(Withdrawn) Repeal of Section 377A in Singapore
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Blurb: The Parliament of Singapore votes to repeal Section 377A of the Penal Code, legalising same-sex activity between men. (Post)
News source(s): CNA, SCMP
Credits:
- Nominated by JaventheAlderick (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Endwise (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Not the first and wont be the last. NoahTalk 18:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose laws change all the time, and they are not always permanent. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:20, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:34, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
November 28
November 28, 2022
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RD: Donald McEachin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WHSV3 (Fox)
Credits:
- Nominated by Engineerchange (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Windorrum (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American state politician Engineerchange (talk) 04:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Regretful oppose To say this article is bare is the understatement of the century... I obviously don't expect articles coming through here to cover every detail, but there at least has to be some level of holisticness in the prose. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've added some tags through the article, where necessary, and made efforts to start an electoral history section, which I cannot do at the moment. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 06:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
(closed) Mauna Loa Erupts
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Blurb: The Mauna Loa Volcano in Hawaii begins to erupt (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/alert-level-raised-hawaiis-mauna-loa-volcano-after-eruption-usgs-2022-11-28/
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Wait. It's far too early to know what the impacts will be - so far it's just a bit of lava confined to the summit, and some red skies. Mauna Loa erupts effusively, so it's possible that the increasing volumes of lava start flowing downhill over the following days, and reaches populated areas (the last eruption almost reached Hilo). But unless that happens, it doesn't have the impact necessary for ITN. As a procedural point, if this eruption becomes significant enough to merit consideration for ITN, it would have enough material to split out 2022 eruption of Mauna Loa and use that as the bold link, rather than a few sentences in the much broader Mauna Loa article. Modest Genius talk 17:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. I was just putting this out there to alert people of a developing story that could become ITN-worthy. Though maybe I'm not nominating correctly(I'm new to Wikipedia) PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: China COVID Protests
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Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Wait until the blurb for the protests were removed from the main ITN. Not sure whether it would even last that long (given the police are already cracking down protests) but if it does, support given the significance of the event. SBS6577P (talk) 11:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose It's redundant to me to have a simultaneous listing of a blurb and the same (or even related) item at Ongoing.—Bagumba (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Premature nomination. Iff the protests are still ongoing when the blurb is about to roll off and there has been no subsequent blurbable event then it should be considered for ongoing. WP:CRYSTAL. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until blurb is removed. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Yes, it is too early. Let's revisit when the blurb rolls off. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:58, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wait If, and only if, it qualifies for Ongoing per the standards, then we can add it when it rolls off the main list. --Jayron32 16:08, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
November 27
November 27, 2022
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RD: Allan Wright (farmer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZC
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: New Zealand farmer and cricket figure Dumelow (talk) 13:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Dr. James Wright
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/popular-media-personality-dr-james-wright-dies-just-short-of-95th-birthday--c-9001895
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australia's first celebrity doctor HiLo48 (talk) 05:10, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
AFLW Grand Final
Blurb: The Melbourne Demons win the AFL Women's season seven Grand Final (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Australian rules football, the Melbourne Demons defeat the Brisbane Lions in the the AFL Women's Grand Final
News source(s): The GuardianABC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
- Created by GreatestTitan (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GreatestTitan (talk · give credit), Storm machine (talk · give credit) and Sportzy (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is fully referenced and complate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:41, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- ALERT ALERT ALERT!!!!!!! I know this is about a sport and a country none of the Admins here care about. Even worse, it's only about WOMEN'S sport. But at least have a bloody look at this nomination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HiLo48 (talk) 23:08, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I looked at it. Problem is, much as I think we need more women's sport in ITN ... it's not really ITN, is it? Probably because it's only the 7th time the tournament has ever taken place. As far as I can see, we're really only featuring international women's tournaments so far (apart from a random US basketball and a volleyball tournament, but they take place together). Now that's something we should probably be looking at, but at the moment I don't think a competition in one of its first iterations meets ITN standards. Black Kite (talk) 23:26, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Because of the nature of Australian rules football, an international championship is unlikely for a long time. This is the peak championship in the sport. Kinda like the World Series, if being international is an issue. Even if an international championship evolved, this would be the more important event for much longer still. This is the women's equivalent of the AFL Grand Final, an ITN/R event. HiLo48 (talk) 02:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
...if being international is an issue
: But then we have at the top of ITNC:
—Bagumba (talk) 05:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Please do not...Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
- WTF? I wasn't the one who objected on the basis of it not being international. HiLo48 (talk) 06:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- There is international interest. Both sides have Irish players and there is considerable coverage over there. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was only responding that "being international" is not supposed to be an issue, not that you originated the issue. —Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- WTF? I wasn't the one who objected on the basis of it not being international. HiLo48 (talk) 06:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Because of the nature of Australian rules football, an international championship is unlikely for a long time. This is the peak championship in the sport. Kinda like the World Series, if being international is an issue. Even if an international championship evolved, this would be the more important event for much longer still. This is the women's equivalent of the AFL Grand Final, an ITN/R event. HiLo48 (talk) 02:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
I know this is about a sport and a country none of the Admins here care about
: The decision to post any item is driven by consensus from the community, not any particular admin's preference. —Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- So why was it totally ignored for 27 hours? THAT was my reason for that somewhat pointed comment. HiLo48 (talk) 06:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- There aren't many active admins these these days. Look at the RD nominations. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- The WP:WIKICUP also ended in October. —Bagumba (talk) 08:26, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- !Voting here is not limited to admins. —Bagumba (talk) 08:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- There aren't many active admins these these days. Look at the RD nominations. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Good indications for an item that should be ITN/R. We should discuss adding it as well. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I'd be more inclined to consider supporting this more for page quality than for newsworthiness if there was prose summarizing the two teams' respective season, e.g. similiar to 2021 Rugby World Cup Final#Route to the final.—Bagumba (talk) 05:51, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- The article has been nominated at GA. I'd be more inclined to add it if it came up during the review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- No worries. I'm merely suggesting what would sway my opinion for this to be posted on ITN as a quality article that might not necessarily be headline news. —Bagumba (talk) 08:37, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- The article has been nominated at GA. I'd be more inclined to add it if it came up during the review. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:21, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- I can assure the world that this HAS BEEN headline news in Australia, which is obviously enough. HiLo48 (talk) 10:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. While I'm sympathetic to the desire to get more women's sport into ITN, this does not appear to be significant enough. Aussie rules football is a minority sport that doesn't merit more than one story per year, and we already post the men's event. The women's version is recently established, small, and attracts a tiny fraction of the news coverage (at least as far as I can find from Google News). If they had been held at the same time then a joint blurb might make sense; but IMO the women's event doesn't reach the bar for a blurb on its own. Modest Genius talk 13:46, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is up-to-snuff, news sources have covered the event. Checks every box for main page posting. --Jayron32 14:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Richard Baawobr
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Ghanaian Catholic bishop - Dumelow (talk) 10:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Clare Marx
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Royal College of Surgeons
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British medical doctor. Date of death not stated but first reported on 27 November - Dumelow (talk) 10:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is OK. Alex-h (talk) 14:54, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted No objectors.—Bagumba (talk) 11:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) China COVID protests
Blurb: Mass protests across China break out in response to the government's Zero-COVID policy. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mass protests across China break out in response to the government's Zero-COVID policy, which had led to a fire in Urumqi killing at least 10 people.
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
- Created by LatakiaHill (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: This has been brewing over the last few days but lots more articles now talking about it. Likely may end up in ongoing eventually. Article is currently in good shape. Masem (t) 05:06, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be of sufficient quality. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 09:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support -- Mass protests in a country where protests are extraordinarily rare? Yes, worthy of posting. --RockstoneSend me a message! 09:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Quality is good. Mass protests notable. The Covid-19 protests in China article needs to be incorporated into the blurb.BabbaQ (talk) 09:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Extremely significant considering this happened in a country where protests are extremely rare. SBS6577P (talk) 09:59, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Orange tag at the moment, needs to be addressed first. --Tone 11:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- I have addressed and removed it. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Extremely notable event, added altblurb including the Urumqi fire that started the protests. Azpineapple (talk) 11:31, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support altblurb as Urumqi fire should be included as the cause. Quantum XYZ (chat) 11:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Note: as it stands, the wording of the alt-blurb seemes too convoluted. El_C 12:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- The fire should probably be included as a separate bolded link within the blurb, as it's notable in its own right. Although it's too short to pass ITN on quality at the moment. — Amakuru (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Here's the thing - the fire doesn't have long-term notability compared to the protests, so there's no reason a separate article on it should be made. It should be part of the protest article. This is where editors tend to lose focus of NOTNEWS because they want to be first to create that new article. Masem (t) 23:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- The fire should probably be included as a separate bolded link within the blurb, as it's notable in its own right. Although it's too short to pass ITN on quality at the moment. — Amakuru (talk) 17:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Note: as it stands, the wording of the alt-blurb seemes too convoluted. El_C 12:09, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Added to blurb:
Following a deadly fire in Ürümqi...
, which hopefully addresses earlier "convoluted" concern. Since no consensus to also bold the fire (for now), I did not go into details about the casualties either. Notability concerns of the fire page can be addressed through WP:AFD, if necessary, but it appears reasonable to briefly address "why?" in the protest blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 04:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)- Reverted by Masem, the nominator.[4]—Bagumba (talk) 04:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- I explained at errors, but the fire did not cause the protests, as the change you made implied. The protests had been happening, the fire spurred them on. That's why I don't think treating the fire separately is a good idea. --Masem (t) 04:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've responded at WP:ERRORS. —Bagumba (talk) 04:42, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- I explained at errors, but the fire did not cause the protests, as the change you made implied. The protests had been happening, the fire spurred them on. That's why I don't think treating the fire separately is a good idea. --Masem (t) 04:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Reverted by Masem, the nominator.[4]—Bagumba (talk) 04:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Post-Posting Support for Original Blurb. The main story here are the protests, which may be partially caused by the fire, but only partially. I agree with Masem that that doesn't need to be a focus in the blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
November 26
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RD: Jimmy Cole (American football)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Memphis Tigers website
Credits:
- Created and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on November 17, seems to have been first reported on November 26. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Jens Bullerjahn
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: new article about a politician who was finance minister in the German state of Saxony-Anhalt from 2006 to 2016, and now died at age 60 from a rare disease --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: David Murray (cricketer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Oriental Aristocrat (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 08:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. I've just requested a citation, but even when that is fixed this needs expansion - about half the very short article is about his drug use, and there is virtually no prose about his actual playing (and nothing at all about domestic cricket). Thryduulf (talk) 12:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, Article needs more information. Alex-h (talk) 14:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Doddie Weir
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Haris920 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Rugby player Haris920 (talk) 20:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is of good quality TRAVBRUHH (talk) 09:04, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. The article is missing so many citations I've added an orange tag to the article rather than mark them all specifically. One section is also just proseline. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support. I have gone through the previous text and referenced many claims, also added further information about his career with accompanying references. Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Vladimir Makei
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit), Skjölker (talk · give credit), Artegia (talk · give credit) and KPX8 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Foreign minister of Belarus since 2012 Mr. Lechkar (talk) 15:02, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The end of the biography section is a bit sparse on context. Also, there's a {{cn}} tag on his birthplace. Having said that, more than happy to change to support if those are addressed. TartarTorte 15:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Unexpected death and good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 21:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Sparse articles should at least contain as much as recent article on a person's death. For example, missing from this Reuters article are 1) Criticism of Russia before the 2020 protest 2) Views on invasion of Ukraine 3) Criticism from Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya.—Bagumba (talk) 06:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jorge Medina
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Página Siete
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Krisgabwoosh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Notable civil rights activist Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Looks sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 08:08, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. --Vacant0 (talk) 15:01, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks great. TartarTorte 15:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 17:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 19:47, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
November 25
November 25, 2022
(Friday)
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(Posted) RD: Mochamad Hasbi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jawa Post
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GhostInTheMachine (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indonesian politician. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:39, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Impressive meticulous work. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Irene Cara
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by Thryduulf (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Lots of citations needed, I'm busy all day so can't really help fix Awkward42 (talk) [the alternate account of Thryduulf (talk)] 11:23, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support: The article isn't fantastic right now, but the coverage of her death offers an opportunity for new cites to be added.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Quality of the article at the present moment is the only thing that matters, and while it is significantly better than when I first nominated it is still not good enough to post, with large sections unreferenced. Thryduulf (talk) 01:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support Notable artist. Posting an RD seems appropriate here. Urbanracer34 (talk) 17:22, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Notability isn't assessed here, every notable person can be posted if the article is up to standard. All sentences and facts and filmography need to be referenced. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:34, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Short on references.—Bagumba (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Conditional Support only if and when the Post-Fame 1980–1999 section is fully sourced Josey Wales Parley 13:54, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Apart from the prose, the tables and bullet-points following the prose also need a lot more sourcing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until all issues regarding citations/sources have been addressed. Support once those are solved. Vida0007 (talk) 17:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose A long way from being ready; there are two entire sections and at least five other paragraphs without a single source. Black Kite (talk) 17:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Probably faded away before a lot of editors' time. I added how she was cheated out of royalties and then said she was blackballed from the industry.—Bagumba (talk) 14:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
RD: Ismail Tara
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 10:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Needs considerable prose expansion and refs. SpencerT•C 19:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- With only 179 words of prose, this stubby wikibio is too short. Please expand it. The Filmography table and the bullet-points after the prose are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:01, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
November 24
November 24, 2022
(Thursday)
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(Posted) RD: Hans Magnus Enzensberger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German author and poet Grimes2 (talk) 12:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support. One of the key German intellectuals of the 20th century. The article looks OK to me. /Julle (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support. One of the main thinkers in Germany, along with Alexander Kluge and Jürgen Habermas. -- ElLutzo (talk) 16:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
OpposeLead needs an expanded summary.—Bagumba (talk) 18:35, 25 November 2022 (UTC)- Done Grimes2 (talk) 19:02, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Struck.—Bagumba (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support - German intellectual, one of the key ones in his country.BabbaQ (talk) 18:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- I added a bit but he deserves more. I'm too tired right now to do more, - past midnight here. Please look at Hampe below who died almost a week earlier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:18, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Börje Salming
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL, CTV
Credits:
- Nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
--BabbaQ (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support, one of the greats in ice hockey and the article looks fine. cart-Talk 12:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Perhaps the most famous Swedish ice hockey player of all time, and had a tremendous impact on the sport as he paved the way for more European players in the NHL. /Julle (talk) 13:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
OpposeBörje_Salming#International needs sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 14:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- That's a shockingly fast decline from his public appearances two weeks ago. Unfortunately, I've had to orange-level tag three sections (one, the list of awards, was subsequently deleted), and there are several {{cn}} tags throughout the article. Modest Genius talk 15:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. And fixed.BabbaQ (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- I see that the national team text was moved, but its coverage remains sparse. —Bagumba (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've undone that move - club and international play are fundamentally different so shouldn't be merged. Looks like an attempt to get around the orange tag without actually improving the article. Modest Genius talk 17:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Having a section with a few sentences are weird in my opinion. Someone might be able to expand.BabbaQ (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
I have some sources that should help with that. I can add to it in a few hours from now. Kaiser matias (talk) 21:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)- Have expanded it, but will leave for others to determine if the tag should remain. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. Also added one source. BabbaQ (talk) 08:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Having a section with a few sentences are weird in my opinion. Someone might be able to expand.BabbaQ (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Struck my oppose above.—Bagumba (talk) 01:26, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've undone that move - club and international play are fundamentally different so shouldn't be merged. Looks like an attempt to get around the orange tag without actually improving the article. Modest Genius talk 17:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- I see that the national team text was moved, but its coverage remains sparse. —Bagumba (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. And fixed.BabbaQ (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The death place in the infobox is unsourced, and not mentioned in the body. The death date is wrtten as 24 November, but the cited sources only say his death was announced on that date, not explicitly mentioning when he died. Is there anything more definitive?—Bagumba (talk) 10:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed a sourced that states he died at his home in Nacka. But good call to see that.BabbaQ (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- And that source also confirms he died on Thursday (24th).—Bagumba (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed a sourced that states he died at his home in Nacka. But good call to see that.BabbaQ (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:34, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
(Duplicate) 2022 Malaysian general election
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Blurb: After the 2022 Malaysian general election produces a hung parliament, Anwar Ibrahim (pictured) is appointed as the Prime Minister of Malaysia. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Starship.paint (talk · give credit)
- Created by Pizza1016 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by WEEROR (talk · give credit), Sumberjaya2014 (talk · give credit), Comeback Uvuvwue (talk · give credit), NgKQ (talk · give credit) and Loqmanizzat (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
- Refer original nomination on 19th November. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 08:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
November 23
November 23, 2022
(Wednesday)
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(Posted) RD: O'dell Owens
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cincinnati Enquirer
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Hilesba (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American medical doctor - Dumelow (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Long enough with 850+ words of prose. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. Earwig has no complaints at all. This wikibio looks READY for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 16:40, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 19:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Betty Ray McCain
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Indy beetle (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks in good shape. Skynxnex (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
OpposeFootnote #2 to https://www.sms.edu/uploaded/images/about/Press_Kits/Notable_Saint_Mary's_Alumnae.pdf is referenced almost 30 times, but the source only saysBetty Ray McCain – Saint Mary’s Class of 1950 junior college - former N.C. Secretary of Cultural Resources; first female chair of the N.C. Democratic Party
. Something is awry with this one source (at least).—Bagumba (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2022 (UTC)- A number of those footnotes have just been removed or replaced with a {cn} tag. --PFHLai (talk) 03:15, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Three {cn} tags remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 20:10, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Resolved. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:30, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Struck.—Bagumba (talk) 08:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:53, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) 2022 FIFA World Cup Group E
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Blurb: Spain wins 7-0 against Costa Rica in a football match in the 2022 FIFA World Cup marking the biggest win of a team since the 2010 FIFA World Cup. (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:
- Created by Oddballslover (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Oddballslover (talk · give credit)
- Strong oppose, recommend SNOW close We do not post intermediate results of an ongoing competition. --Masem (t) 00:35, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) 2022 Chesapeake shooting
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Blurb: A shooting at Walmart leaves 7 dead and 5 injured. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Mass shootings are common in the US. We can only post the most severe ones.
- NoahTalk 12:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment In order to make the item more accessible to all readers, the blurb should mention the country where this event took place. Chrisclear (talk) 12:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose something like the 606th mass shooting in the US this year alone, not even a precedent for a shooting in a Walmart. Tragic but not in any way unusual. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - so common now, in fact, that we had a nomination for a shooting just the other day. These are always tragic items, but until there are very few mass shootings in the US, these won't become postable. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:20, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Comment - The circumstances of this particular case might be interesting to some; it came less than a week after the Colorado Springs shooting.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Again, oppose routine in USA. That’s exhausting. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose although if this makes Walmart reconsider its gun sales, that news should probably be ITN. If this gets posted, any blurb should include that (by all reports) it was a Walmart employee, not some random person who wandered in. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:27, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) 2022 Düzce earthquake
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Blurb: A magnitude 6.1 earthquake in Düzce, Turkey injures more than 50 people. (Post)
News source(s): Retures, Al Jazeera, Bloomberg, Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dora the Axe-plorer (talk · give credit) and Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Earthquakes can be damaging and fork up a few casualties but not all are suitable for ITN. This event pales in comparison to the one in Indonesdia—casualty numbers are minimal. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 10:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per Dora the Axe-plorer. Good faith nomination but unless there are many deaths I don’t see the need to post to ITN. Let’s just say that compared to this we have bigger fishes to fry. SBS6577P (talk) 10:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with all the comments above; not all earthquakes need to be blurbed, especially those that are "relatively" minor like this one. RIP to the 2 fatalities though. Vida0007 (talk) 19:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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