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*'''Oppose''' - Standard issue with sports tournaments articles, tables upon tables upon tables with little to no prose. Also worth noting this is a regional tournament and not the world cup, thus not in ITN/R. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff"> <b><i><small>4</small>🧚♂<small>am</small></i> [[User talk:4iamking|<span style="color:#fff">KING</span>]] 👑 </b></span> 18:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' - Standard issue with sports tournaments articles, tables upon tables upon tables with little to no prose. Also worth noting this is a regional tournament and not the world cup, thus not in ITN/R. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff"> <b><i><small>4</small>🧚♂<small>am</small></i> [[User talk:4iamking|<span style="color:#fff">KING</span>]] 👑 </b></span> 18:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' regional sports championship is not ITN worthy. Also article has a distinct lack of prose about the event (as seems to be the problem with many sports articles). [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 18:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC) |
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2022 FIBA Asia Cup finals
Blurb: The Australia men's national basketball team wins 73–75 against Lebanon to win the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Australia men's national basketball team (75) wins against Lebanon (73) to win the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup.
News source(s): FIBA, Spin.ph, The National News
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- Nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Surprising results...
- Oppose - Standard issue with sports tournaments articles, tables upon tables upon tables with little to no prose. Also worth noting this is a regional tournament and not the world cup, thus not in ITN/R. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 18:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose regional sports championship is not ITN worthy. Also article has a distinct lack of prose about the event (as seems to be the problem with many sports articles). Joseph2302 (talk) 18:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) Monkeypox declared Public Health Emergency of International Concern
Blurb: The World Health Organisation declares the ongoing Monkeypox outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. (Post)
Alternative blurb: WHO declares the ongoing Monkeypox outbreak an International Health Emergency.
News source(s): AP, France24 (AFP), BBC, NPR, DW, AlJazeera
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- Nominated by Sean Heron (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: It seems extremely likely that WHO is going to declare this a PHEIC (Press conference in about an hour) . I thought it doesn't hurt to start talking about it now already (would be nice to have it up in ITN in a timely manner).
To explain, a PHEIC is what was declared for SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 in January 2020, and is the highest form of alert the WHO can issue for infectious disease. It will most certainly be making headlines. Sean Heron (talk) 12:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support See also US confirms first two cases in children. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support and I prfer the second blurb EditMaker Me (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Pretty sure that in the past monkeypox nominations that this was said to be the point we would post it, so assuming that is what is decided it seems fair to post, pending article updates. --Masem (t) 13:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - I would argue it should replace covid in ongoing, given how much more coverage this is getting over that, but thats a different discussion. It's definitely time. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 13:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Monkeypox has been declared Public Health Emergency of International Concern. Amended title to reflect this. Carter00000 (talk) 14:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you :)! Sean Heron (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Very widely covered. – Sca (talk) 15:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support I opposed this previously - but this is what I said should be the trigger. I don't see that it should be ongoing though - the death toll is zero in most countries, and only a handful world-wide. The daily Covid death toll is still staggering, the impacts are felt by almost everyone most days, and the news is still full of coverage. Nfitz (talk) 15:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support WHO declared PHEIC. Emergency committee didn't reach consensus, so Director-General Tedros made the final determination to issue highest WHO alert. AkiraRorschach (talk) 15:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Given that the outbreak has been declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern by the WHO. Carter00000 (talk) 15:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support and bolded target article in both blurbs. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support According to New York Times, Monkeypox has been declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. HurricaneEdgar 15:57, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb – Per Nfitz, others. – Sca (talk) 16:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support PHEICs are rare enough that it certainly warrants attention. Juxlos (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Thank you Muboshgu, and nice that there were no hickups here this time :P. ! Sean Heron (talk) 16:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Maria Petri
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Created and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English association football superfan of Arsenal. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:58, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- The article is too heavy on "she was born" and "she died" and not on why she was unusual enough to deserve attention. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- The introduction mentions that she was "recognised ... for her unique chants", but the article lacks info on these chants of hers. Any examples? --PFHLai (talk) 01:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I have added her famous one, the rest are rather long but I have added what I can find sourced. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding that. This wikibio is still a tad short (less than 400 words of prose), but it's long enough to qualify. It has footnotes where they are expected and has no formatting problems. And, Earwig found no problems. This is READY for RD to me. Some mention of the black armbands worn by the players in her memory in last night's game would be nice, methinks. I was looking for an RS for this, but haven't found one written in past tense yet. Maybe later. --PFHLai (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I have added her famous one, the rest are rather long but I have added what I can find sourced. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) UK Conservative Leadership election
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Blurb: Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss reach the final round of the UK Conservative Party leadership election. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jul/20/tory-leadership-race-live-sunak-mordaunt-truss-latest-uk-politics
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- Nominated by EditMaker Me (talk · give credit)
- Oppose wait till succession happens. Banedon (talk) 07:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Banedon. No successor has been voted in yet. Carter00000 (talk) 08:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and close we are not a news ticker, wait until one of them is elected as new PM. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose wait for the new PM to assume.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per both of the above. The point of ITN significance is not even when the winner of the contest is announced, it's when they take over as prime minister (unless Boris chooses not to resign as PM, but if that happens that will be the story to evaluate for ITN). Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Stefan Soltész
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Austrian conductor, Dies While Conducting at the Bayerische Staatsoper Grimes2 (talk) 10:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Referencing and length looks okay. Juxlos (talk) 02:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dwight Smith
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
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- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support referencing is good. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support article doesn’t seem to have major issues. Juxlos (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Núria Feliu
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): diario.es
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- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: considered an "indispensable icon" of Catalan culture and one of the most popular singers in Catalonia. I created her article a bit quickly, but I think the basics are there. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. The "TV3" link is to a disambiguation page, so that should be fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed. Thanks! _-_Alsor (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Closed) Joe Biden
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Blurb: 46th U.S. President Joe Biden tests positive for Coronavirus disease 2019. (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
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- Nominated by FAdesdae378 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose You're new here, so I hope that everyone who comments here will be nice. Having COVID when you are double-vaxxed and double-boosted, like Biden is, makes the virus no worse than a cold. He'll be fine. This is a non-story for ITN purposes. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not gonna lie, that certainly wasn't my experience with covid, and I got it after I got my second booster. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 23:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing is 100%. Glad you're doing better. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- For a fully vaccinated and double-boosted president of the United States getting COVID-19 is unusual, which is why I nominated this. FAdesdae378 23:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- No more unusual than any other random person in society catching covid.🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 23:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not gonna lie, that certainly wasn't my experience with covid, and I got it after I got my second booster. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 23:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose A person catching covid isn't news-worthy for ITN purposes. doesn't matter if that person is god himself. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 23:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Unlike when Trump and Boris Johnson got it in the earlier stages of the pandemic, it doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to carry out his duties. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose and snow close and...? _-_Alsor (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose we'd have more COVID-19 positives on ITN if that would be news-worthy.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Jim Lynch
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Rockchalk717 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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– Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Long enough to qualify (almost 400 words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots and no formatting problems, and Earwig found nothing wrong, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Johnny Egan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hartford Courant
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: I'm still expanding it, but it should be sufficient for ITN RD. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good enough. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) Chinese paddlefish
Blurb: The Chinese paddlefish, one of the world's largest freshwater fish species, is officially declared extinct by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7], [8]
Credits:
- Nominated by Zach Varmitech (talk · give credit)
- Updated by The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk · give credit) and Hemiauchenia (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: The species was officially declared extinct by the IUCN today. Zach Varmitech (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The article says it was officially declared extinct in 2019. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- That wasn't quite official. The 2019 Chinese paper only recommended that the IUCN list the fish as extinct, and did not have the power to actually do so — the IUCN has the final word on that. And though the IUCN agreed to list it extinct, the actual listing wasn't done until now. Zach Varmitech (talk) 23:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Significant development in wildlife conservation. Media/press reports are current and indicate that the official status was only just changed. Article appears to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support as this is excellent ITN material of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The description section needs ref work before posting. Once this is fixed, I would fully support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @TDKR Chicago 101: I've fixed the description section. Every sentence is now cited. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Opposethousands of species go extinct every year, it's not clear to me why this extinction is anything extraordinary, and therefore ITN worthy. Also, article quality is an issue too: the article has lots of content about the 2022 extinction in the lead that isn't in the main body of the article (and thus seems to violate MOS:LEAD), and has an orange tagged section. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)- A possible notability argument could be the flagship species case, however, it does not seem from the article that any conservation efforts were taken specifically for this species. In general, I'd support mentioning of extinct species as long as the article is in a good shape. Tone 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The Chinese paddlefish was one of only two species of paddlefish in the entire world, with the fossil record of paddlefish stretching back over 120 million years into the Early Cretaceous. It had also probably been divergent from the American paddlefish, from which is strongly distinct in morphology and diet, for many tens of millions of years. It's not just some random lake chicilid with hundreds of other species like it, but almost one of a kind. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support It's not just this species. The full announcement says "The global sturgeon reassessment published today reveals that 100% of the world’s remaining 26 sturgeon species are now at risk of extinction, up from 85% in 2009. The assessments are based on refined calculations which show their decline over the past three generations to be steeper than previously thought. The Yangtze Sturgeon (Acipenser dabryanus) has moved from Critically Endangered to Extinct in the Wild, 17 species are now Critically Endangered, three are Endangered and five are Vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. The reassessment has also confirmed the extinction of the Chinese Paddlefish (Psephurus gladius)." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per notability requirements per Joseph2302. Carter00000 (talk) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Meh, per Joseph. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- Maykii (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Just saying, if encyclopedias had news sections, this item would be one of the items you'd expect to see there, and not like you know, races on rivers and asphalt. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Per nom. Major species and amongst the largest freshwater fish species in the world. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support. I'm cognizant that many species are declared extinct each year, and we can't feature all of them. This does seem an unusually significant species and the article is pretty good, plus there's a clear explanation of why it went extinct (overfishing and dam construction). Just about crosses the bar for me. Modest Genius talk 17:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support, this is a significant event in natural history. BD2412 T 17:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posting, the general consensus is there and some opposes were based on the article quality - since fixed. --Tone 19:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't see how there was consensus to post this, but alright. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support thanks to Hemiauchenia for replying to me and expanding the article to make clear why this is such a rare and important occurance. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hamburger Abendblatt (de), NDR (de)
Credits:
- Nominated by SoWhy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Famous German footballer. Article needs a couple of sources but otherwise ready to go. SoWhy 15:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I think I added all the sources needed now. Regards SoWhy 15:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support and marked ready. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
India's new President: Draupadi Murmu
Blurb: Droupadi Murmu elected as India's new President (Post)
Alternative blurb: Droupadi Murmu is elected as President of India
Alternative blurb II: Draupadi Murmu (pictured) is elected by the Parliament as the new President of India
Alternative blurb III: Draupadi Murmu (pictured) is the first tribal member to be elected President of India.
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:
- Nominated by Venkat TL (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Start class, some work needed in sourcing. Venkat TL (talk) 15:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not ready. Firstly, we need to get 2022 Indian presidential election into the blurb (altblurb added). Secondly, both that article and Murmu's have orange-level tags on them, which disqualifies them from posting. Those articles need some substantial work before we can consider posting. Modest Genius talk 15:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- The election article quality has actually got worse since yesterday - all the prose has been removed, leaving just tables. Modest Genius talk 11:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as both article on her and the election are orange-tagged. ALT1 follows the standard pattern for election articles, so should be the one we use if the articles are fixed. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle, oppose on quality — Once the Murmu and presidential election articles are in a better shape, support. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Both target articles are orange-tagged. The Kip (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose "Ceremonial head of state". Gotitbro (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- lol. This state you are talking about is India. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 00:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- And? Real power in India does not lie with the President. It is a ceremonial position. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- lol. This state you are talking about is India. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 00:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Gotitbro. Real power in India lies in the Prime Minister. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 19:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support on principle, but oppose on quality. The ceremonial head of state argument is a weak one, as many heads of state are ceremonial yet enormously symbolic. We also have precedent for posting the ceremonial president of Ireland, a much less globally significant country than India. AryKun (talk) 07:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm going to say it: that precedent should be overturned. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 08:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment If we are to blurb her, we should probably mention she is the first tribal member elected President. -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose mainly on quality (there are unsourced statements like "Murmu, was criticized for her soft stand on police aggression against tribals during the movement." in her article, let alone bad English and grammar), but (b) I'm unconvinced that a ceremonial head of state that was only elected via an indirect election should be ITN. Black Kite (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- That statement you mention is actually sourced from the ref at the end of its paragraph. Also, I think we sometimes forget just how massive India is that one can become even slightly unconvinced of the significance of the first tribal woman President of India. This 'indirect election' involved more voters than scores of countries could even have. Droupadi Murmu's position as President is likely 10x more significant than the queen of england. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- When you've got a whole paragraph sourced to a single source it needs to be made clearer on contentious material that this is the case, especially if it's "X accused Y of .." type stuff. Regardless, the whole article needs work (as does the election one). Black Kite (talk) 11:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The population of India does not automatically increase the notability of otherwise non-notable events. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- That statement you mention is actually sourced from the ref at the end of its paragraph. Also, I think we sometimes forget just how massive India is that one can become even slightly unconvinced of the significance of the first tribal woman President of India. This 'indirect election' involved more voters than scores of countries could even have. Droupadi Murmu's position as President is likely 10x more significant than the queen of england. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality The target article (2022 Indian presidential election) needs a lot of work done before it can be ITN ready. Once, fixed I would support and maybe mentioning Murmu being India's first tribal politician president might be worth mentioning IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose powerless figurehead, the Prime Minister of India wields actual authority and there is no evidence that this appointment is anything other than routine - it is not noteworthy in any way. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- even for mostly ceremonial heads of states, we do have precedent for posting if they're significant or firsts (eg Ethiopia's first female President). Murmu is India's first tribal President, something which is mentioned by almost all the news reports about her. AryKun (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Past mistakes that don't bear repeating --LaserLegs (talk) 00:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I'm not against posting it as long as we specify that this is a first. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- even for mostly ceremonial heads of states, we do have precedent for posting if they're significant or firsts (eg Ethiopia's first female President). Murmu is India's first tribal President, something which is mentioned by almost all the news reports about her. AryKun (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – The AP article notes that in India the presidency is a "largely ceremonial" position. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support once improved, per AryKun. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support much more notable than a lot of dead actors, 2-bit looters and sports events that have been posted recently Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- How so? Specifically, why is this notable? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- The subject has been the top-read article on Wikipedia for the last two days. With multiple spellings. She's not just notable, she is famous. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Looking through WP:ITN I don't see page views as a criteria and I believe that in the past it's been indicated ITN is not a top 25 --LaserLegs (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- India has had a lot of caste issues for a very long time, and this is the first tribal person to hold the top post, even if it is a ceremonial one. Bumbubookworm (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- So you're saying India is a racist society and the notability here comes purely from the appointment to a powerless ceremonial post of someone from an historically maligned demographic? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- "India has" vs "India is" are wildly different statements. The appointment of a tribal person has/had sparked lots and i mean lots of discussion of e.g. whether an Adivasi president as representation is actually effective or not, which I can only assume you are completely ignorant of given your flat dismissal of Droupadi Murmu's significance. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- So you're saying India is a racist society and the notability here comes purely from the appointment to a powerless ceremonial post of someone from an historically maligned demographic? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- How so? Specifically, why is this notable? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support: certainly notable especially given origin. Most viewed article for a reason. Tow (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- 2022 Indian presidential election has two orange tags complaining about the lack of sources. Please add more REFs. The yellow {copyedit} tag at the top of the article should also be resolved before this nom can proceed. --PFHLai (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Zakho resort attack
Blurb: Nine civillians killed in an attack on Zakho resort in Duhok governorate in Iraqi Kurdistan (Post)
News source(s): BBC Arabic; NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by EditMaker Me (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - Per notability requirements and article quality. Carter00000 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle - Needs destubbing though.🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 13:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Not widely covered in English RS-land Thurs. – Sca (talk) 14:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Doesn’t seem to meet notability standards. One attack as part of the greater ongoing conflict(s) in Syria and Iraq. The Kip (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose — Doesn't seem notable, even barring issues that I have with the article itself and the blurb. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Mario Draghi
Blurb: Mario Draghi resigns as the Prime Minister of Italy. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by 4iamking (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Italy's revolving door of prime ministers continues.... 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 11:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I feel like the time to post this would have been when he announced his resignation. That said, no opposition to posting this now.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. Masem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar. — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- he did resign, the president then asked him to take over in a caretaker role. Boris isn't leading a caretaker government (since there hasn't been a vote of no confidence against his government) so thats the difference. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 12:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar. — Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. Masem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait – Until Italy gets a new prime minister. (There have been 70 Italian PMs since WWII). – Sca (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per Sca. Our standard practice is to post the change, not the resignation, so let's wait until the name of the new prime minister is known (the case of Boris Johnson is an unfortunate exception and should not be considered a rule).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- These "exceptions" seem to always favor Anglo-centrism (notice we posted May and Cameron, too). The rationale for posting UK and not posting others is always different, but the result is always the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until replacement is announced. After all, he tried to resign a week or two ago, and it got rejected, so absolutely no certainty right now that he'll end up being replaced. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per Sca and etc. above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know what we have to wait for if the vast majority of editors supported without "waiting" the nomination on Boris Johnson's resignation. As I prefer to be congruent and not consider as precedent the posting of BJ's resignation, I oppose this one and effectively wait for Draghi's successor, or for the snap election that have already been called. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I still think we would have right to wait for Boris Johnson too, but people didn't agree... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps 'twas the entertainment factor. -- Sca (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- I still think we would have right to wait for Boris Johnson too, but people didn't agree... Joseph2302 (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support per the Boris precedent. I'd argue the real news is the resignation anyway, not the inevitable successor (resignation = unexpected, new PM = expected). YD407OTZ (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This is automatically ITNR with a new PM though. And Boris and the Twitter acquisition are not good examples or precedents to create or follow. Gotitbro (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment From the point of view of a parliamentary democracy, we've seen the coalition lose support in parliament, and a new election is now underway. Normally we don't post stuff when a government falls. So what is his position within his own party? Is there any chance he could remain PM after the election? Johnson is a bit of a different process. The UK government itself is stable; but the party leader himself has resigned in shame in the midst of several scandals. Many of Johnson's scandals were themselves arguably ITN events, but none achieved consensus - so with the camel's back broken ... A more orderly transfer of power, such as when Blair announced he'd resign, would likely not be as notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support posting now he has actually resigned [9]. The new elections won't be held for at least two months, a big enough gap for us not to wait. The article seems in good shape on a quick look, and has a whole section on the resignation. Modest Genius talk 18:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support unlike Boris he actually resigned. Shadow4dark (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Wait either until replacement is announced, preferably until a replacement assumed.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: An An
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ckh3111 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Count Iblis (talk) 10:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- This stubby wikibio currently has less than 200 words of prose. Anything more to write about this panda? --PFHLai (talk) 11:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Meh. – Sca (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready Too stubby. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I think I will delete the "other panda" part that has nothing to do with this panda, which will make the article shorter. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Alice Harnoncourt
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Pioneer of historically informed performance, with her husband. She was concertmaster of the Concentus Musicus Wien for decades, and a member of the orchestra until he retired, so was behind most of the legendary recordings. Also four children. I marked that her article needed expansion earlier this year - and now she died. I wish I could have done more, but need to go for a few days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Spartan sources, but ok. Minimum length. Grimes2 (talk) 09:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Judith Stamm
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St.Galler Tagblatt
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Paradise Chronicle (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Major Women's rights politician of Switzerland, one of the first woman presidents of the Swiss National Council. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Well-sourced and good enough. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:55, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support short but good enough. If her political career could be extended just a bit further to further demonstrate her major role in the women's rights movement in Switzerland that would be great. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Peter Inge, Baron Inge
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Field Marshal Lord Inge, former head of the Armed Forces in the UK. Wikibio looks already ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support article is good enough for RD. Maybe post it as "Peter Inge" to take up less space on RD (and because adding Baron Inge seems to violate MOS:HONORIFIC). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ruslana Pysanka
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): babel.ua and others
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Ukrainian actress who died in Germany as a refugee. Article was old but a stub, more detail welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient. Grimes2 (talk) 09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Support Short but minimally adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Patrick Michaels
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Died on the 16th, however his death was announced today. Article updated and well sourced --> --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support no issues. Ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) Election of Ranil Wickremesinghe
Blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected as the ninth president of Sri Lanka by the Parliament amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected to replace Gotabaya Rajapaksa as President of Sri Lanka amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
Alternative blurb II: Ranil Wickremesinghe is elected by parliament as President of Sri Lanka replacing Gotabaya Rajapaksa amid protests over the ongoing economic crisis
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, Reuters, AP, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Blackknight12 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Election of a new Head of State, developing story in the Flight and Resignation of Gotabaya Rajapaksa, the 2022 Sri Lankan political crisis, 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis and 2022 Sri Lankan protests, Blackknight12 (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support article looks good enough, has some aftermath, and more can be added once it happens. This is a change of head of state (according to President of Sri Lanka), so is ITNR unless I'm mistaken. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- And I would suggest this replaces the older Sri Lankan blurb, even though that is not the oldest blurb on the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- And mention the crisis somewhere in the blurb for context. Tone 09:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- And I would suggest this replaces the older Sri Lankan blurb, even though that is not the oldest blurb on the front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Doubtful that this will change the course of protests much, considering Wickremesinghe is considered by the protesters to be part of the problem. The big story is the protests and we have to see how they will develop with this news, so i'll say wait. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 09:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- i'm only saying if we are replacing the blurb which had the protests bolded, we should see how the protests develop first. Its worth nothing that he is the former prime minister. 🌈 4🧚♂am KING 👑 15:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment We should definitely note and make a distinction that this was not a general election but an internal government one, otherwise it sounds like he has the support of the electorate which he certainly does not. Added altblurb2 Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Widely reported on Wed. High time to rejuvenate grossly outdated 10-day-old blurb. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posting/updating the existing blurb. --Tone 15:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Needs attention) RD: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports, WNCN
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsfangnome (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Had 1,000 yards receiving in a single season, had a 9 year career. Sportsfangnome
- Oppose his professional career has two sentences, and only mentions his debut season. Information on the other 8 seasons is needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, formatting looks fine, and Earwig found nothing wrong, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
RD: Michael Henderson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stereogum
Credits:
- Nominated by Kafoxe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Psssstheycmere (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Jazz/funk/R&B musician. Kafoxe (talk) 02:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not Ready Orange tagged in the collaborations section. Otherwise doesn't look too bad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- The Collaboration section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. And, this wikibio currently has only 298 words of prose. Anything else to write about? Perhaps expanding on things mentioned in the intro and not yet elaborated upon (but really should be) in the main body? --PFHLai (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Hans-Joachim Hespos
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SWR and others
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Selftaught experimental composer whose works were performed internationally, high awards. He had a practically ref-less article. There's much more in the new refs, especially about teaching (and more awards), and the German Wikipedia has a complete list of his works, but I have to leave him for now to prepare vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Larry Jeffrey
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10][11]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Saksapoiss (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD, the career section covers all of his career which is good. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Claes Oldenburg
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Major death in the art world; made an NYT breaking news push alert. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:07, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Undoubtedly, the person is notable and that the article is well sourced.
- Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support Done Grimes2 (talk) 11:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 12:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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(Closed) Greenwood Mall shooting (U.S.)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: In Greenwood, Indiana, four people are killed in a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A lone gunman halts a mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Indiana, by shooting and killing the perpetrator.
News source(s): Indy Star, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by WaltCip (talk · give credit)
- Created by Silent-Rains (talk · give credit)
- Wait The article is still a stub, and it's not clear yet whether this will get the sort of coverage that will make it ITN-significant. I get the "good guy with a gun" angle, but I'm still doubtful as to whether this will last beyond the 24 hour news cycle. That's in sharp contrast to the Uvalve school shooting and the police response, which is still generating headlines today due to the release of a damning report. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. This doesn't meet the usual minimum death threshold and is also yet another US shooting, which has been discussed ad nauseam; and gunman shot by another gunman or not, this is simply too commonplace to post each and every one. — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Strong oppose no, you don't have to nominate every single shooting that occurs in America. Don't waste our time. We need to know what the consensus is in Candidates on these events. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as per the above points, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose This is the type of routine crime in the US that doesn't have a long term impact. --Masem (t) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - and the nom, even if I am sympathetic to the motivation, appears to be a straightforward POINT violation. If you dont think it belongs here then dont nominate it. nableezy - 14:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do think it belongs here. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. nableezy - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I do think we should be more proactive in nominating mass shootings, but I also believe this one is a rare example of one that has a low death toll but still an unusual impact. I believe this will do more to alter the conversation about gun control in the United States than any of the more recent shootings, since politicians can now point to this and say that this is an example of how concealed carry prevents further deaths. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. nableezy - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do think it belongs here. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Describing an armed civilian who halted a mass shooting as "another gunman" or a "lone gunman" is horrendously misleading. Kafoxe (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. In a way, I am surprised this has not happened before. Of am I just being naive? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, I agree that this is a kind of routine crime in U.S. Alex-h (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents
" - is this part of the nomination, or not? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)- Just as a note that I didn't hat your post, but yes, that observation is a bit crystal-bally, I admit. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I, an editor who supports most U.S. mass shootings that are nominated here, do not think that this shooting rises to the level of posting, based on what I know at this time. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Tragic for those involved, but sadly shootings with 4 deaths are a common occurrence in the US. Modest Genius talk 15:04, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) (I experienced an edit conflict with the closure of this section - but am adding my comment anyway) - Weak oppose I'm not sure this one stands out enough in light of other recent shootings like the ones in Buffalo, Uvalde, and Highland Park, or the Indianapolis FedEx shooting last year. (This is despite the fact that I live near this mall and shop there frequently - and this event is horrific.) That said, I think it's time we seriously consider putting List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 into Ongoing, and I would support a proposal to do that. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jessie Duarte
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IOL, M&G
Credits:
- Updated by Bobbyshabangu (talk · give credit) and Axxter99 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Yasmin "Jessie" Duarte was an anti-apartheid activist. Became Deputy Secretary-General of the African National Congress in 2012. Needs more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:26, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - per nominator's comment. Alex-h (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Looks to be in good condition. rooves (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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