Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/User

"WP:CFD" redirects here. For criteria for deletion, see WP:Criteria for deletion.

"WP:CFR" redirects here. For criteria for redaction, see WP:Criteria for redaction.

XFD backlog

V	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Total
CfD	0	0	10	0	10
TfD	0	0	5	0	5
MfD	0	0	1	0	1
FfD	0	0	1	0	1
RfD	0	0	39	0	39
AfD	0	0	1	0	1

Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.

For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:

1. Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
2. Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.

Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.

Scope

CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.

Current discussions

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• All current discussions
  • 4 November (Monday)
  • 3 November (Sunday)
  • 2 November (Saturday)
  • 1 November (Friday)
  • 31 October (Thursday)
  • 30 October (Wednesday)
  • 29 October (Tuesday)
  • 28 October (Monday)
  • Previous 8 to 21 days
• Speedy renaming requests
• Archive and indices

Discussions awaiting closure

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 27 (10 open)

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.

How to use CfD

Nomination procedure

Twinkle

You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.

Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.

MassCFD

You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.

Manual nominations

I	Preliminary steps. Before nominating a category: Read and understand the guidance for category names and overcategorization. For categories containing biographical articles, read the guidance for categorization of people. For categories containing the user pages of Wikipedians, read the guidance for user categories. In the following special cases: If a category is a red link, then it is already deleted (or was never created in the first place) and does not need to be nominated. If a category is unpopulated, use {{db-catempty}} to request it be speedily deleted in 7 days. If a category is populated solely by a template (other than a stub template, see #Stub types below) and you are proposing to delete both the category and template, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion. For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style.
II	Edit the category. Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here. Otherwise, if nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) If nominating a group of related categories, use a bundled nomination: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd|CfD section name}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm|Other category|CfD section name}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm-double|Other category 1|Other category 2|CfD section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|CfD section name}} For converting the category into a list, {{subst:Cfl|Proposed name|CfD section name}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|CfD section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter) Include "CfD", "CfM", "CfR", "CfS" or "CfL" in the edit summary, and do not mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. To add the template for previous nomination days, use the "full" version of the template by appending "full" to the template name, i.e. {{cfd full}}, {{cfm full}}, {{cfr full}}, {{cfs full}} and {{cfl full}}. Use the |day=, |month= and |year= parameters to make the banner link to the correct CfD page. Consider adding {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 November 4|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator. For details about these templates, see each template's documentation.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the text= parameter, omit the Category: prefix and do not use wikilinks, as the template takes care of this. If nominating a single category: For deleting, use {{subst:Cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For merging, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For merging to two categories, use {{subst:Cfm2|Origin category|Destination category 1|target2=Destination category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:Cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}} For splitting, use {{subst:Cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}} For converting the category into a list, use {{subst:Cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For other options (containerization, etc.), use {{subst:Cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}} For a bundled nomination, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, as follows: ==== Cfd section name ==== * 1st category * 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming] * Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature. If a bundled nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide some of the nominated categories. In your reason, use links if mentioning articles or categories. To link to a category, use the colon trick by adding a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, e.g. [[:Category:Foo]]. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Stub types

I	Preliminary steps. In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming: Read and understand guidance for creating stub types and stub type naming conventions. Review the list of existing stub types—be advised, this list may not be comprehensive. If you wish to: Create a new stub type—follow the procedure for proposing new stub types. Delete, merge or rename a stub category only, without deleting or renaming the associated stub template—follow the instructions above this section. Delete or rename a stub template—continue to section II.
II	Edit the template. Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed. For deletion, use {{subst:Sfd-t|Section name}} For renaming, use {{subst:Sfr-t|Proposed name|Section name}} Please include "SFD" or "SFR" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor. Preview before saving. Consider notifying the template's creator on their talk page. To find the contributor, check the page history of the stub template.
III	Create the CFD section. Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters): For deletion, use {{subst:sfd-t2|TemplateName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} For renaming, use {{subst:sfr-t2|TemplateOldName|TemplateNewName|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}} In your rationale, mention how many articles currently use the template to help other editors. When linking to a category in your rationale, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating. Preview before saving to check that your nomination is formatted correctly, and remember to include your signature at the end of the nomination.

Notifying interested projects and editors

In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 November 4|CfD section name}} ~~~~ or write a personalized message.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}} to inform the category's creator and all other editors.

Notifying other interested editors

It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Closing procedure

After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.

Redirecting categories

"WP:CAT-R" redirects here. For the guideline on categorizing redirects, see Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects.

For an essay on this topic, see WP:Category redirects that should be kept.

In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.

In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Speedy renaming and merging

Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.

1. Determine which speedy criterion applies
2. Tag category page with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} or {{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
3. List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page

Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.

Requests may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}} with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.

To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:

• Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~

You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.

If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.

Speedy criteria

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes

• Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
• Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
• Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.

C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices

• Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
• Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).

C2C: Consistency with established category tree names

Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names

• This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
• This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
• This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Consistency with main article's name

• Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
• This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
  • unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
  • uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
• This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
• Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.

C2E: Author request

• This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
• The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

C2F: One eponymous page

• This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{subst:cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article). When listing the nomination at WP:CFDS, you must manually add all the appropriate parent categories as targets if the member page is not already in them.

Admin instructions

When handling the listings:

1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
3. Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying speedy criteria in full discussions

• A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
  • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
  • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
• If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:

* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:

* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 12:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 256 open requests ().

Current requests

Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).

• Category:Altensteig to Category:Calw (district) – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Altensteig. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Alpha Sigma Kappa to Category:Fraternities and sororities in the United States – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Alpha Sigma Kappa. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Alibaba Cloud to Category:Alibaba Group – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Alibaba Cloud. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Albanian Air Force to Category:Military of Albania – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Albanian Air Force. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Al Jahra to Category:Al Jahra Governorate – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Al Jahra. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Airsoft guns to Category:Airsoft – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Airsoft gun. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Aigues-Vives, Gard to Category:Communes of Gard – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Aigues-Vives, Gard. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Agathonisi to Category:Populated places in Kalymnos (regional unit) – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Agathonisi. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Affective haptics to Category:Haptic technology – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Affective haptics. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:AEW Homecoming to Category:All Elite Wrestling shows – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article AEW Homecoming. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:20th-century explorers from the Russian Empire to Category:20th-century Russian explorers – C2C: The norm is for the 20th century to be Russian FOO ^SMason_Garrison 03:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Water pollution in Haiti to Category:Environmental issues in Haiti – C2F. ^SMason_Garrison 00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Foreign policy and strategy think tanks in North America to Category:Foreign policy and strategy think tanks based in North America – C2C: parent is Think tanks based in North America ^SMason_Garrison 21:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Foreign policy and strategy think tanks in Asia to Category:Foreign policy and strategy think tanks based in Asia – C2C: parent is Think tanks based in Asia ^SMason_Garrison 21:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Foreign policy and strategy think tanks in Europe to Category:Foreign policy and strategy think tanks based in Europe – C2C: parent is Think tanks based in Europe ^SMason_Garrison 21:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Alternative Views articles to Category:WikiProject Alternative views articles – C2B: To match parent WP:WikiProject Alternative views   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  20:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Alternative Views articles by importance to Category:Alternative views articles by importance
  • Category:Alternative Views articles by quality to Category:Alternative views articles by quality
  • Category:Alternative Views articles needing expert attention to Category:Alternative views articles needing expert attention
  • Category:B-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:B-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:C-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:C-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Category-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Category-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Disambig-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Disambig-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Draft-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Draft-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:FA-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:FA-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:FL-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:FL-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:File-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:File-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:GA-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:GA-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:High-importance Alternative Views articles to Category:High-importance Alternative views articles
  • Category:List-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:List-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Low-importance Alternative Views articles to Category:Low-importance Alternative views articles
  • Category:Mid-importance Alternative Views articles to Category:Mid-importance Alternative views articles
  • Category:NA-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:NA-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:NA-importance Alternative Views articles to Category:NA-importance Alternative views articles
  • Category:Pages using WikiProject Alternative Views with unknown parameters to Category:Pages using WikiProject Alternative views with unknown parameters
  • Category:Project-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Project-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Redirect-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Redirect-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Start-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Start-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Stub-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Stub-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Template-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Template-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Top-importance Alternative Views articles to Category:Top-importance Alternative views articles
  • Category:Unassessed Alternative Views articles to Category:Unassessed Alternative views articles
  • Category:Unknown-importance Alternative Views articles to Category:Unknown-importance Alternative views articles
  • Category:WikiProject Alternative Views to Category:WikiProject Alternative views
  • Category:WikiProject Alternative Views participants to Category:WikiProject Alternative views participants
  • Category:A-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:A-Class Alternative views articles
  • Category:Portal-Class Alternative Views articles to Category:Portal-Class Alternative views articles
• Category:Climate of Virginia to Category:Environment of Virginia – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Climate of Virginia. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cizrespor to Category:Football clubs in Turkey – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Cizrespor. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Moto-Ise Shrines to Category:Moto-Ise shrines – C2A. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cantons of Belgium to Category:Cantons – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Cantons of Belgium. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Canton of Excideuil to Category:Former cantons of Dordogne – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Canton of Excideuil. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Canton of Archiac to Category:Former cantons of Charente-Maritime – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Canton of Archiac. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Café de Coral to Category:Fast-food chains of Hong Kong – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Café de Coral. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:CNBC-e to Category:CNBC global channels – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article CNBC-e. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bugey wine to Category:French wine AOCs – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bugey wine. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Irish Republicanism participants to Category:WikiProject Irish republicanism participants – C2A: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Irish Republicanism to Category:WikiProject Irish republicanism – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject Irish Republicanism articles to Category:WikiProject Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Unknown-importance Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Unknown-importance Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:NA-importance Irish Republicanism articles to Category:NA-importance Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Low-importance Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Low-importance Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Mid-importance Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Mid-importance Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:High-importance Irish Republicanism articles to Category:High-importance Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Top-importance Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Top-importance Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Irish Republicanism articles by importance to Category:Irish republicanism articles by importance – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:NA-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:NA-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Unassessed Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Unassessed Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:List-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:List-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Stub-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Stub-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Start-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:Start-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:C-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:C-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:B-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:B-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:GA-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:GA-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:A-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:A-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:FL-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:FL-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:FA-Class Irish Republicanism articles to Category:FA-Class Irish republicanism articles – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Irish Republicanism articles by quality to Category:Irish republicanism articles by quality – C2B: Followup after Template:WikiProject Irish republicanism move   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Scorparia to Category:Scoparia (moth) – C2A Plantdrew (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bankstown Line to Category:Sydney Trains – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:2025 in Angola to Category:2025 by country – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:2025 in Sri Lanka to Category:2025 by country – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category: Barbour County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category: Barbour County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War - WP:C2B (per this section of WP:USPLACE and MOS:GEOCOMMA) Note that Hardy and Morgan are speedy merges.
  • Category: Braxton County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category: Braxton County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Fayette County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Fayette County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Greenbrier County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Greenbrier County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Hardy County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Hardy County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Jefferson County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Jefferson County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Kanawha County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Kanawha County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Lewis County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Lewis County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Mineral County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Mineral County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Morgan County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Morgan County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Pocahontas County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Pocahontas County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Randolph County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Randolph County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War
  • Category:Tucker County, West Virginia in the American Civil War to Category:Tucker County, West Virginia, in the American Civil War - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bangladesh presidential visits to Category:Bangladeshi presidential visits – C2B: parent is State visits by Bangladeshi leaders ^SMason_Garrison 15:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Bangladesh prime ministerial visits to Category:Bangladeshi prime ministerial visits – C2B: norm is Bangladeshi leaders, see State visits by Bangladeshi leaders ^SMason_Garrison 15:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Diplomatic visits from Russia to Category:State visits by Russian leaders – C2C: Diplomatic visits by visitor nationality siblings are either Category:State visits by FOOian leaders or FOOian leader visits ^SMason_Garrison 15:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Recepients of the Order of Firmness (Oman) to Category:Recipients of the Order of Firmness (Oman) - C2A - Recipients. - Arjayay (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:People enslaved in the United States by state to Category:People enslaved in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parents are American people by state or territory and occupation and Slavery in the United States by state or territory ^SMason_Garrison 13:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Aubregrinia to Category:Chrysophylloideae – C2F: Aubregrinia is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League West Division standings templates to Category:West Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per West Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Smythe Division standings templates to Category:Smythe Division standings templates – C2B: per Smythe Division. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League East Division standings templates to Category:East Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per East Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Canadian Division standings templates to Category:Canadian Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Canadian Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League American Division standings templates to Category:American Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per American Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Pacific Division standings templates to Category:Pacific Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Pacific Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Northwest Division standings templates to Category:Northwest Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Northwest Division (NHL)/Category:Northwest Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Central Division standings templates to Category:Central Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Central Division (NHL)/Category:Central Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Western Conference standings templates to Category:Western Conference (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Western Conference (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Norris Division standings templates to Category:Norris Division standings templates – C2B: per Norris Division. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Southeast Division standings templates to Category:Southeast Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Southeast Division (NHL)/Category:Southeast Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Adams Division standings templates to Category:Adams Division standings templates – C2B: per Adams Division. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Northeast Division standings templates to Category:Northeast Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Northeast Division (NHL)/Category:Northeast Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Metropolitan Division standings templates to Category:Metropolitan Division standings templates – C2B: per Metropolitan Division. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Patrick Division standings templates to Category:Patrick Division standings templates – C2B: per Patrick Division. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Atlantic Division standings templates to Category:Atlantic Division (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Atlantic Division (NHL)/Category:Atlantic Division (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:National Hockey League Eastern Conference standings templates to Category:Eastern Conference (NHL) standings templates – C2B: per Eastern Conference (NHL). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 02:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Apporasa to Category:Arhopalini – C2F: Apporasa is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Agyrtria to Category:Trochilinae – C2F: Contains only Agyrtria. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Golden Age of medieval Bulgarian culture to Category:Golden Age of Bulgaria – C2D: per Golden Age of Bulgaria. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Algae biofuels to Category:Algae fuel – C2D: per Algae fuel. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Jurchens in Ming dynasty to Category:Jurchens in the Ming dynasty – C2A: missing "the". Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Imperial families of Ming dynasty to Category:Imperial families of the Ming dynasty
• Category:People of the Jingnan Campaign to Category:People of the Jingnan campaign – C2B: per Jingnan campaign. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Ming treasure voyages. to Category:Ming treasure voyages – C2A. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Second Northern War to Category:Northern War of 1655–1660 – C2D: Main article Northern War of 1655–1660; recently renamed after RM Talk:Northern War of 1655–1660#Requested move 23 June 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Generals of the Yang Family to Category:The Generals of the Yang Family – C2D: per The Generals of the Yang Family. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Higher Education ministers of Zambia to Category:Higher education ministers of Zambia – C2A: per MOS:JOBTITLES. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Insurgency in the Presheva Valley to Category:Insurgency in the Preševo Valley – C2D per Insurgency in the Preševo Valley and merge into already existing category. Griboski (talk) 18:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Presheva, Medvegja and Bujanoc Liberation Army to Category:Liberation Army of Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac – C2D per Liberation Army of Preševo, Medveđa and Bujanovac. Griboski (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Prime ministers of Prussia to Category:Minister presidents of Prussia – C2D: per Minister President of Prussia and C2A per MOS:JOBTITLES. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Greene, New York to Category:Towns in Chenango County, New York – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Greenwich, Ohio to Category:Villages in Huron County, Ohio – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:YouTubers by network to Category:YouTubers by multi-channel network – C2C Inpops (talk) 16:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Food court in Singapore to Category:Food courts in Singapore – C2A: Should be plural. Paul_012 (talk) 15:26, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Munakata Shrines to Category:Munakata shrines – C2A. ^SMason_Garrison 14:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Think-tanks established in 1955 to Category:Think tanks established in 1955 – C2C: Norm is not to use a hyphen Category:Think tanks by year of establishment ^SMason_Garrison 13:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Works by Clara Zetkin to Category:Feminist works – C2F. ^SMason_Garrison 04:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy The only article in the category isn't eponymous with the category, and therefore C2F doesn't apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Blossom, Texas to Category:Cities in Lamar County, Texas – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 22:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:West Haven, Utah to Category:Wasatch Front – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 22:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Cedar Fort, Utah to Category:Towns in Utah County, Utah – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 22:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Goshen, Utah to Category:Towns in Utah County, Utah – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 22:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Kushiro, Hokkaido (town) to Category:Kushiro (town) – C2D. AusLondonder (talk) 21:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Kosuge, Yamanashi to Category:Villages in Yamanashi Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 21:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Namegata to Category:Cities in Ibaraki Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 21:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Kasumigaura, Ibaraki to Category:Cities in Ibaraki Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 21:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Asahi, Nagano to Category:Villages in Nagano Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 21:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Early medieval Poland to Category:Poland in the Early Middle Ages – C2D, per Poland in the Early Middle Ages. Ham II (talk) 21:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:4th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:4th-century Maharajadhirajas – "Maharajadhiraja" is consistently capitalised in sources per ngrams. PadFoot (talk) 16:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:5th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:5th-century Maharajadhirajas
  • Category:6th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:6th-century Maharajadhirajas
  • Category:7th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:7th-century Maharajadhirajas
  • Category:8th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:8th-century Maharajadhirajas
  • Category:10th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:10th-century Maharajadhirajas
  • Category:11th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:11th-century Maharajadhirajas
  • Category:12th-century maharajadhirajas to Category:12th-century Maharajadhirajas

@PadFoot2008: Your ngram uses the singular version of the term. Wouldn't MOS:JOBTITLES apply in this case? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Hey man im josh, plural still shows consistency in use of capitalised [1]. PadFoot (talk) 01:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I have only tagged these categories now.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Disasters in Ming dynasty to Category:Disasters in the Ming dynasty – C2C: norm is FOO in the Ming dynasty, eg History books about the Ming dynasty ^SMason_Garrison 04:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Organizational ergonomics to Category:Ergonomics – C2F. ^SMason_Garrison 03:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment I don't think upmerging a redirect is helpful, so I removed it and the category is now empty. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 20:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Scholars from the Netherlands to Category:Dutch scholars – C2C: norm is FOO scholars ^SMason_Garrison 02:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Rutulian people to Category:Rutul people – C2D: Rutul people is the main page ^SMason_Garrison 02:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Italian British people by occupation to Category:British people of Italian descent by occupation – C2C: parent is British people of Italian descent ^SMason_Garrison 00:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Ohio Athletic Conference Conference football templates to Category:Ohio Athletic Conference football templates – C2A: Remove duplicate "Conference". See also related cat with no duplicate: Ohio Athletic Conference football.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Flight of the Conchords episodes to Category:Flight of the Conchords (TV series) episodes – C2B: per Flight of the Conchords (TV series). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:People from Masty to Category:People from Masty, Belarus – C2D. Mellk (talk) 18:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Alford, Massachusetts to Category:Towns in Berkshire County, Massachusetts – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:25, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Tomiya, Miyagi to Category:Cities in Miyagi Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Yoshioka, Gunma to Category:Towns in Gunma Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Syrian ministers higher of education to Category:Ministers of higher education of Syria – C2C: Typical naming format for minister categories is with the country at the end of the category name. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Syrian ministers of administrative development to Category:Ministers of administrative development of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of communication to Category:Ministers of communication of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of culture to Category:Ministers of culture of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of economy to Category:Ministers of economy of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of education to Category:Ministers of education of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of electricity to Category:Ministers of electricity of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of expatriates to Category:Ministers of expatriates of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of finance to Category:Ministers of finance of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of industry to Category:Ministers of industry of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of interior to Category:Ministers of interior of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of internal trade to Category:Ministers of internal trade of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of irrigation to Category:Ministers of irrigation of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of justice to Category:Ministers of justice of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of local administration to Category:Ministers of local administration of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of public works to Category:Ministers of public works of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of state to Category:Ministers of state of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of state planning to Category:Ministers of state planning of Syria
  • Category:Syrian ministers of tourism to Category:Ministers of tourism of Syria
• Category:Hinode, Tokyo to Category:Towns in Tokyo – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Higashinaruse, Akita to Category:Villages in Akita Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 17:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Finance ministers of Belgium to Category:Ministers of finance of Belgium – C2D: Minister of Finance (Belgium) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Defense ministers of Japan to Category:Ministers of defense of Japan – C2D: Minister of Defense (Japan) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Agriculture Ministers of Kerala to Category:Agriculture ministers of Kerala – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Co-operative Ministers of Bihar to Category:Co-operative ministers of Bihar
  • Category:Education Ministers of Kerala to Category:Education ministers of Kerala
  • Category:Education Ministers of Punjab, India to Category:Education ministers of Punjab, India
  • Category:Finance Ministers of Bihar to Category:Finance ministers of Bihar
  • Category:Finance Ministers of Punjab, India to Category:Finance ministers of Punjab, India
  • Category:Finance Ministers of Rajasthan to Category:Finance ministers of Rajasthan
  • Category:Finance Ministers of Uttarakhand to Category:Finance ministers of Uttarakhand
  • Category:Home Ministers of Punjab, India to Category:Home ministers of Punjab, India
  • Category:Home Ministers of Rajasthan to Category:Home ministers of Rajasthan
  • Category:Minority Welfare Ministers of Bihar to Category:Minority welfare ministers of Bihar
  • Category:Science and Technology Ministers of Bihar to Category:Science and technology ministers of Bihar
  • Category:Transport Ministers of Bihar to Category:Transport ministers of Bihar
  • Category:Transport Ministers of Punjab, India to Category:Transport ministers of Punjab, India
• Category:Education ministers of Sri Lanka to Category:Ministers of education of Sri Lanka – C2D: Minister of Education (Sri Lanka) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Education ministers of South Africa to Category:Ministers of education of South Africa – C2D: Minister of Education (South Africa) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Petroleum and energy ministers of Norway to Category:Ministers of energy of Norway – C2D: Minister of Energy (Norway) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Defence ministers of Norway to Category:Ministers of defence of Norway – C2D: Minister of Defence (Norway) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Transport ministers of Norway to Category:Ministers of transport of Norway – C2D: Minister of Transport of Norway + C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Foreign ministers of Norway to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Norway – C2D: Minister of Foreign Affairs (Norway) + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Fisheries ministers of Norway to Category:Ministers of fisheries and ocean policy of Norway – C2D: Minister of Fisheries and Ocean Policy + C2C/C2A with similar categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Syrian ministers of defense to Category:Ministers of defense of Syria – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Nigerian ministers of tourism, culture and natural orientation to Category:Ministers of tourism, culture and natural orientation of Nigeria – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Colombian Secretaries of Foreign Affairs to Category:Secretaries of foreign affairs of Columbia – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose as proposed This category is related to Colombia, and therefore it should be renamed to Category:Secretaries of foreign affairs of Colombia. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Colombian Secretaries of the Interior to Category:Secretaries of the interior of Columbia – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose as proposed This category is related to Colombia, and therefore it should be renamed to Category:Secretaries of the interior of Colombia. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Ministers of Governance and Public Administration of Catalonia to Category:Ministers of governance and public administration of Catalonia – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose as proposed This should be rename to Category:Ministers of governance, public administration and housing of Catalonia per List of ministers of governance, public administration and housing of Catalonia. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Secretaries of State for War (UK) to Category:Secretaries of state for War (UK) – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Comment This should be renamed to Category:Secretaries of state for war (UK). Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Prussian Ministers of War to Category:Ministers of war of Prussia – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose as proposed This should be renamed to Category:War ministers of Prussia per List of war ministers of Prussia and the convention in Category:Government ministers of Prussia. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Towns in Gifu Prefecture to Category:Towns in Gifu Prefecture – C2F. AusLondonder (talk) 13:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  @AusLondonder: Did you nominate the correct category? Category:Towns in Gifu Prefecture is far from empty and you are asking for the category to be merged into itself. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oops, I really was tired. I made that mistake with another category and self-reverted. Obviously missed this one. The nom was supposed to be for Category:Wanouchi, Gifu. AusLondonder (talk) 05:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  I now tagged it, we should wait for 48h. Ymblanter (talk) 08:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Women Secretaries of State of Mexico to Category:Women secretaries of state of Mexico – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose as proposed It should be renamed to Category:Women secretaries of the State of Mexico as State of Mexico is proper name and is consistently capitalised in Category:State of Mexico. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Civil Services of Andhra Pradesh to Category:Civil services of Andhra Pradesh – C2A. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose per Civil Services of India. MOS:JOBTITLES doesn't apply for this. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Saint George (martyr) to Category:Saint George – C2D, per Saint George. Ham II (talk) 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:Paintings of Saint George (martyr) to Category:Paintings of Saint George

    Oppose for speedy, C2D does not apply because of Saint George (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Wikipedia:GLAM/NARA participants to Category:Wikipedia-National Archives and Records Administration collaboration participants – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Wikipedia:GLAM/MoMA participants to Category:Wikipedia-Museum of Modern Art collaboration participants – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Wikipedia:GLAM/The Met participants to Category:Wikipedia-Metropolitan Museum of Art collaboration participants – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Wikipedia:GLAM/TCMI participants to Category:Wikipedia-The Children's Museum of Indianapolis collaboration participants – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject GLAM/AAA participants to Category:Wikipedia-Archives of American Art collaboration participants – C2C with parent category. Gonnym (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject GLAM/SI participants to Category:Wikipedia-Smithsonian Institution collaboration participants – C2C with parent category. Gonnym (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:WikiProject GLAM/IMJ participants to Category:Wikipedia-Israel Museum, Jerusalem collaboration participants – C2C with parent category. Gonnym (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:Wikipedia:GLAM/TP participants to Category:Wikipedia-Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa collaboration participants – C2C with parent category. Gonnym (talk) 13:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy for GLAM categories. There is no clear convention for the proposed format. The parent categories by themself are not enough to establish that. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Labor ministers by country to Category:Labour ministers by country – C2C: To match parent Category:Labour ministers. AusLondonder (talk) 20:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  @AusLondonder: I actually think it should be renamed to Category:Ministers of labour by country, based on Minister of labour. I alos believe that Category:Labour ministers should thus be renamed to Category:Ministers of labour. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  The only question I have about that is consistency with the category tree Category:Government ministers by portfolio. AusLondonder (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, I think there are issues with that category in general @AusLondonder. I believe they were highlighted at one point when someone attempted to mass rename all of the Ministers of defense categories to defense ministers, by, I want to say, Secretlondon? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah I remember an objection at some point earlier this year to a nomination to standardise these categories but can't recall the details. AusLondonder (talk) 13:00, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  @AusLondonder (sorry for repeated pinging, just don't want you to think I haven't responded or anything): My understanding, at the time, was that some countries do call their ministers "Defense minister" whereas others use "Minister of defense", so it would/should be a case by case basis. Not sure how we properly apply that to the general parent categories though. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  No need to apologise, yes that sounds familiar. If I have the time I might look back and see if I can find the discussion. AusLondonder (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Fayenatic london: Ymblanter (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

  Nice question! I think C2D could override C2C for Labour ministers, because (i) there are no country-specific titles listed at Minister of Labour which use "labour minister", and (ii) there is the potential ambiguity with Labour parties. The national sub-cats should probably be renamed "Ministers of/for labour" according to local usage. For the UK we could use the current ministerial title, Category:Secretaries of state for work and pensions, but that doesn't identify the country, so maybe keep a generic title as a parent. – Fayenatic London 17:40, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Expelled New York State Senators to Category:Expelled New York state senators – C2C too. Santiago Claudio (talk) 03:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

  Comment This should be renamed to Category:Expelled New York (state) state senators per the convention in Category:New York (state) state senators. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Opposed requests

• Category:Amazon Game Studios games to Category:Amazon Games games – C2B: per Amazon Games. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 17:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Gonnym: could you please have a look? Ymblanter (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose rename, instead split. Thanks for the ping. Only New World (video game) was released after the name change. The list at Amazon Games has more than these 3 games so there shouldn't be an issue of small categories if populated correctly. On a tangent note, our naming convention for this type of stuff is confusing and the category explanation isn't helpful either. Produced and distributed are two different things (and we use "developed" for games in the infobox). Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Category:PWHL New York to Category:New York Sirens – C2D. User:Namiba 14:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:PWHL New York players to Category:New York Sirens players
• Category:PWHL Montreal coaches to Category:Montreal Victoire coaches – C2D. User:Namiba 14:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:PWHL Boston to Category:Boston Fleet – C2D. User:Namiba 14:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Category:PWHL Boston coaches to Category:Boston Fleet coaches
  • Category:PWHL Boston seasons to Category:Boston Fleet seasons
• Category:PWHL Montreal to Category:Montreal Victoire – C2D. User:Namiba 14:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
• Category:PWHL Ottawa to Category:Ottawa Charge – C2D. User:Namiba 14:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  Contesting all PWHL moves. Discussion should be had as to whether these should be separate categories pre- and post-rebrand. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

• Category:National Rally (France) to Category:National Rally – C2D. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per National Rally (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie: I would support at a full CFD. AusLondonder (talk) 12:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• Category:Pre-1876 life peers to Category:Life peers created before 1876 – C2C: with subcategories, and generally clearer — RAVENPVFF · talk · 18:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose: Not a list of peers created (i.e. born, or conceived) before 1876, but of peerages. “Category:Life peerages created before 1876” or “Category:Life peerages before 1876” would useful and not inaccurate, and “List of life peerages before 1876” (not category) already exists. Stephan Leeds (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephan Leeds: true, but all the subcats use "Life peers created by…", so the nomination was valid under C2C. Do you want to nominate the cat and its sub-(sub-)cats for a full CFD? – Fayenatic London 21:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephan Leeds: This category contains biographical articles about peers (people), not articles about peerages (titles), so the category tree name is correct. As Fayenatic london stated, this is the same as all other subcategories, e.g. Category:Life peers created by Charles III. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 16:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

On hold pending other discussion

• None currently

Moved to full discussion

• Category:Baseball pitching to Category:Pitching (baseball) – C2C: to match sister category Category:Batting (baseball). Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy There is no clear convention for proposed format, therefore C2C doesn't apply. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

  Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

  Relisted; now at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 30#Category:Baseball pitching. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Speedy nominations

Category:Wikipedians in Seattle

Category:Wikipedians in Seattle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Speedy rename to Category:Wikipedians in Seattle, Washington for clarification. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy rename support. Master Redyva (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Support speedy rename --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 03:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Users who speak Albanian

Category:Users who speak Albanian (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Speedy delete - Empty, but hasn't been empty for 4 days so does not yet meet C1. Improper naming convention, and redundant to Category:User sq. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete support. Master Redyva (talk) 22:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 03:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians in Baltimore

Category:Wikipedians in Baltimore (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

• Speedy rename to Category:Wikipedians in Baltimore, Maryland for clarification. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy rename support. Master Redyva (talk) 22:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy rename per above --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 03:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Sahrawi Wikipedians

Category:Sahrawi Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Empty except for a template and wikipedia-space page, no actual users in the category. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy delete as nom. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Question I'm not sure what to make of this, or how to even articulate my question, so just imagine this scenario: If a user signs up now who is Norwegian, there is already Category:Norwegian Wikipedians and he will be automatically added to that category by adding the appropriate userbox. If a Sahrawi Wikipedian signs up in the future, he may well add this userbox, but not be added to the category because it was deleted now. Why would the category be deleted pre-emptive of a user signing up for it? I can understand deleting, say, Akkadian Wikipedians, as that nation no longer exists, but I don't see the rationale in deleting this as it has just as much utility as Norwegian Wikipedians, only for Sahrawis who may not have registered on (English) Wikipedia yet. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete per Nom. The Master thinks "If" scenario silly. Master Redyva (talk) 22:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete with no prejudice to recreation if/when Sahrawi Wikipedians (or even one) wish to identify as such. —ScouterSig 14:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - No predudice against a (re-)creation of a Wikipedians in (or from) version of the category. - jc37 17:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per above. --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 03:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

New nominations by date

April 28

Category:WikiOtters

Category:WikiOtters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

"WikiOtters are elusive creatures that are endangered, much like the WikiDragon. They help a different user out by editing or simply being friendly". Fringe category of WikiGnomes and WikiFairies, similar categories were deleted here. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as nom. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete &/or exterminate. Master Redyva (talk) 22:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - the inclusion criteria are too general to form the basis of useful categorisation: friendliness is a great trait in editors, but it's not really something that's well-suited to categorisation. Black Falcon ^(Talk) 01:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Popping Wikipedians

Category:Popping Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

"This user is into popping and specializes in {hitting, ticking, botting, etc}". At minimum needs rename to match naming conventions at Category:Wikipedian dancers, but my first choice would be to delete as too narrow for collaboration as it appears to be a single-article category. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as nom, rename to Category:Wikipedian poppers if no consensus to delete. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per VegaDark's WikiWisdom. Master Redyva (talk) 22:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep but rename One article for the topic, but there are likely articles about notable dancers, as well as articles that are related that would be of interest to those interested in popping (I have no idea if that just made sense.. probably need to go to bed and get some sleep). -- Ned Scott 08:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per single-article category. --Kbdank71 14:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Single article category. - jc37 17:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• With this line of thinking we'd never get new categories, because there would never be a starting point for them. Very likely there are tons of other Wikipedians that would place themselves in this category. Considering this category was made only a few weeks ago, I fail to see how that's any sort of a logical argument. -- Ned Scott 04:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

• Aaaah, you mean there's only one article for Popping.. I just got that as soon as I hit save. Forgive me, it's the end of the day :) -- Ned Scott 04:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment At first I assumed there was only one article for "Popping" as well, but it seems we are all mistaken, according to Template:Popping (dance). -- Ned Scott 04:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

April 27

Category:Wikipedia administrators open to trout slapping

Category:Wikipedia administrators open to trout slapping (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Just like this nom, this category is not helpful to encyclopedia building, category serves no purpose, see similar precedent. --Charitwo ^talk 00:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete/speedy delete as nom. --Charitwo ^talk 00:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Snowball keep, pretty sure we went over this before at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/December 2007#Category:Wikipedia administrators open to trout slapping and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 20. I see no new arguments since then, and the keep rationale is still valid. Highlights that sum up my own feelings are "Clearly a few administrators are using this, even though it was just introduced. There is therefore some opinion that it is useful, and more might come to consider it so. Community is built by allowing the free activity and interaction of members, not by blocking harmless behavior even if many or even most think it "useless." If something is useful to my neighbor, it's useful even if I have no need of it at all. On the other hand, perhaps I could use a wikitrout myself from time to time. --Abd (talk) 20:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)" and "Strongest possible keep and endeavor to populate with as many admins as possible. It's great for the project to show that admins are open to good-natured reproof and don't take themselves too seriously. Raymond Arritt (talk) 07:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)" -- Ned Scott 05:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Upmerge to Category:Wikipedians open to trout slapping. That you are an administrator has nothing to do with your willingness to have others be frank and/or funny with you. Also note that it says "Slapping may only be done by other administrators in this category" which is blatant elitism. (Well, it is a subcat of the general user category, so I suppose I could slap an admin if I needed/wanted to.) —ScouterSig 05:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete if consensus to delete parent category. If parent category is not deleted, this should be upmerged. —ScouterSig 17:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep or upmerge (whichever) per the same points made in past discussions. I've no problem with deleting harmless UCATs when nobody cares about them, but this is just uncongenial. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 06:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Found one more uCFD, Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/January 2008#Trout categories. -- Ned Scott 06:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Categories are not tagged for deletion.. I'll tag them now. -- Ned Scott 06:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Sadly, I think a long history of consensus from the inclusionists has determined that this category's not going anywhere. Procedural keep.--WaltCip (talk) 11:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Slap nominator with a... ehm, sorry, I mean keep. Clearly facilitates collaboration and a harmonious editing environment by showing that not all Wikipedians are averse to constructive criticism sprinkled with a bit of sea life, um, sorry, humor. Also see Hiding's closing comments from the previous nomination. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Upmerge per scoutersig, since my first choice of delete is, per Waltcip, not an option. --Kbdank71 16:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, as per precedent at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/February_2008#Category:Rouge admins, which established that admin-only joke categories are divisive and unhelpful. Additionally, this should be considered as an all-inclusive category, unless one supports the concept of admins who are not open to constructive criticism. This category's sentiments are clearly conveyed through the userbox; there is no use for such a grouping of admins. For those who cite the previous discussions, note that consensus can change. Horologium (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Whether humor categories are helpful or not has always been an undecidable debate, since both the proposed benefits and proposed detriments they may have are unmeasurable. What is decisively true, however, is that repeatedly running pages through XfD until you get a favorable outcome is disruptive, a form of gaming the system, and should not be tolerated. --erachima talk 17:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment Each time this category has been nominated, it has been by a different user, and in this case, the nominator did not participate in the previous two discussions, so it's not a case of abusing the process by constantly renominating it. Additionally, it's been three months since the last time the category was discussed; it's not like it's a weekly event. Horologium (talk) 17:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per Wikipedians by lifestyle. Master Redyva (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Even administrators need disipline, especially if they broke the encyclopedia, made a really bad April Fools' edit, or disruptively moved a page, and I think you know who I'm talking about. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Directly useful to the building of an encyclopedia by helping admins encourage others to point out there mistakes. _(1 == 2)^Until 20:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete (1st choice) or Upmerge (2nd choice). The nominator's point that keeping these rediculous categories while deleting the Lazy Wikipedians category is a double standard is well taken. It is a double standard, there is absolutely no use to either category, but just because this one is funny, it's been kept in the past and will be kept again (or perhaps upmerged in a best case expectation). My only real hope out of this nomination is to see this upmerged to the other category, so similar to the Rogue admins category, we can narrow down these crap categories from 2 to 1. Upmerging makes sense, as there is no reason to distiguish admins from the other category. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Serious Keep. I think this kind of category helps to establish the personality of the administrator and therefore the appropriate tone for dealing with them. So many rows start with people taking offence at well meant comments and signals to avoid this benefit WP considerably. --BozMo talk 12:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians open to trout slapping

Category:Wikipedians open to trout slapping (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Just like this nom, this category is not helpful to encyclopedia building, category serves no purpose, see similar precedent. --Charitwo ^talk 00:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete/speedy delete as nom. --Charitwo ^talk 00:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Snowball keep per similar arguments for the above nom for #Category:Wikipedia administrators open to trout slapping. -- Ned Scott 05:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Week keep per recent precedent and the fact that no new arguments were made. Note that here, almost every other joke category except these trout categories have been deleted. —ScouterSig 05:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete because of the precedent to and the need need to [[delete joke categories. Said category does not aid in collaboration, nor even in community building. —ScouterSig 17:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, see above. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 06:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I noted this above, but I'll repeat it here since this uCFD was directly linked to this category, Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/January 2008#Trout categories. -- Ned Scott 06:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, as with the admin category above. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep only if the admins category above is merged into this one. Delete otherwise. --Kbdank71 16:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Unlike its admin-only analogue, this category is not divisive, but it is equally pointless, and there is a long list of precedents for eliminating joke categories (here), and those who wish to express their sentiment can create a userbox instead of a category. There is no possible collaborative purpose for this category (the same can be said for the admin analogue), and is nothing more than a MySpace-y bit of nonsense. Horologium (talk) 17:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Disruptive, process-gaming renomination of a category previously kept. --erachima talk
• Delete per Wikipedians by lifestyle. Master Redyva (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. It prevents us Wikipedians from oversillying ourselves and to stay on task without unintentionally nuking 0.35453545...% of the encyclopedia. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Zero use to encyclopedia building, it is an absolute shame this will be kept as this is one of the only categories that has ever gone directly against established precedent to delete joke/nonsense categories, simply because enough users come in to say ILIKEIT. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• You mean the list page made from a minority of Wikipedians that frequent uCfD? Not that the page is all bad, but the topical index is often abused to show artificial support for certain trends. -- Ned Scott 08:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per ScouterSig--Bedford 08:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Ah, but EVERYBODY deserves a trout slapping, not just the people in this category! That is, not being in this category should not absolve you from being slapped at any given time.--WaltCip (talk) 12:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Everybody deserves a trout slapping, but not everybody is open to it ;) -- Ned Scott 02:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep I am going to WP:AGF and believe that since this category does not preclude or harm any of the purposes of categories, the author and those who have joined must find it useful. If nothing else it keeps us from being too dry and boring. That alone is useful. Jim Miller (talk) 16:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment You may not be aware of this, but this category was created as a rather POINTy response to the first UCFD on the admin-only category (above) which was itself a POINTy creation sparked by a specific discussion. Horologium (talk) 17:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit frustrating when people don't seem to understand that you can't violate WP:POINT by simply making a point, but only if you disrupt in the process of making that point. Making a point in itself isn't a bad thing. -- Ned Scott 02:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Horologium for pointing me in that direction. I went back and reviewed the prior CfD. As Ned Scott points out above, there is nothing wrong or against policy by making a non-disruptive point. I also went back and reviewed the criteria for deletion - several times. I have not yet seen anything here that meets the criteria for deletion. If we assume good faith, we must believe that ANY category created by an editor serves a useful purpose to at least that editor. It only needs to be useful to those who actually use it anyway. Since I would never ask someone to prove a negative, that leaves us at the point where those who believe we should delete being asked to justify that the mere existance of the category is detrimental to the stated purposes of categories. I have not seen a single justification that the existance of this catagory, or many others (now that I have discovered CfD), impedes the purpose of Wikipedia. "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit." Jim Miller (talk) 02:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as useless nonsense.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep This category is helpful in building the community. A sense of humour and a willingness to not take oneself too seriously - the only requirements for membership - are conducive to the mental health of individual members as well as to building a better Wikipedia. Full disclosure: I created a userbox. SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 02:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

How does the category help build community in a way that the userbox does not? Do you really think that people are going to search the category for other people who are open to being beat with a fish? (Yes, I am aware of the origin of the term; I was using mIRC in the 1990's.) Your userbox is a great idea, and I would encourage everyone who is in this category to add it to their userpage. However, it does not need a category to accomplish its purpose. Horologium (talk) 03:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I myself have browsed the category listing, so (although I am a biased sample) I would answer yes to your question. I think a category page is a much more convenient and better laid out way of searching for users than the "what links here" alternative (which is the only way I know of to search for userbox users). SHEFFIELDSTEEL^TALK 13:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• keep per WP:STOATGOBBLE William M. Connolley (talk) 21:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

there is no such thing. --Charitwo ^talk 22:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

You aren't red-blue colour blind. Congratulations. Neither am I. Does the phrase "humour" mean anything to you? William M. Connolley (talk) 22:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Ussri Bobby

Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Ussri Bobby - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Attack category; no evidence has been provided that this editor ever used sockpuppets. Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The category was created by Lucy C. V. Robinson (talk · contribs), who appears to be a sockpuppet of Elspeth Monro (talk · contribs). The user's first edit was to add a {{Puppetmaster}} tag to User talk:Ussri Bobby. --Snigbrook ^(talk) 00:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete if this is indeed an attack, especially if it is baseless vandalism, and especially if the creator is indeed an abusive sockpuppet. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Horologium (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. The Master even supports a speedy delete. Master Redyva (talk) 22:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

April 26

Category:Cooch Behar Wikipedians

Category:Cooch Behar Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Single user category, needs rename to Category:Wikipedians in Cooch Behar at minimum. Fairly low city population to sustain a category (76k). VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as nom, rename if no consensus to delete. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Rename to Category:Wikipedians in Cooch Behar (1st choice) or Category:Wikipedians in West Bengal (2nd choice). West Bengal is a higher-level administrative division and a category for Wikipedians from West Bengal is much more likely to be populated; the reason it's my second choice is that specificity is generally useful for the "by location" categories. Black Falcon ^(Talk) 20:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Rename per Black Falcon's WikiArguement. Master Redyva (talk) 22:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wood Badger Wikipedians

Category:Wood Badger Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

"These are adult Scouters who have completed the Wood Badge training course from their respective Scout Association and received at least 2 wood beads" - No reason to group these users in a category, see similar precedent. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

There absolutely is reason to group them. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason? Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse) 20:15, April 26, 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as nom. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong keep Unlike what VegaDark would have us believe, the precedent here is mixed. There is no reason not to allow wikians to selfID as Wood Badgers, as they do with dozens of other self categorizations. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment: "dozens of other self categorizations" sounds like Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse) 21:00, April 26, 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete per nominator & Wikipedians by award. -Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse) 17:51, April 26, 2008 (UTC)

Note:Wikipedians by award is not a policy, but just a historical list, with an inconsistent record. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment. None the less, the "inconsistent historical list" and the nominator's reasoning have cemented my vote in stone (more than half of the "by award" list were deleted, sound precedent). Thanks. Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse) 18:52, April 26, 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per "No reason to group these users in a category." The catergory does not appear useful for encyclopedia. SameDayService (talk) 21:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - Members of this category have completed Scouting's highest adult training course and are justifiably proud of their accomplishments. Scouting is a brotherhood, and although inclusion in a user category might to a non-Scouter appear as a small thing cast easily aside, any help in growing and maintaining the ties that bind us together are most welcome and appreciated. Another point: Something as simple as inclusion in a user category might be fuel for the fire to entice these Wikipedians into contributing to, or to make further contributions to, the worldwide Scouting portal. For at least these two reasons, and more yet to be verbalized, I am on the "strong keep" side of the table. Thanks. xpanmanx (talk) 21:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: "proud of their accomplishments"? Is this a catergory or a userpage topic? "bind us together," is this a social networking issue? Please see WP:NOTMYSPACE Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse)

• Keep because this is not an award, but a conferred educational recognition. Those people who have completed this level of training have demonstrated a high level of expertise within the program, and that is both useful and appropriate for an encyclopedia. We allow other means of displaying levels of expertise in order to indentify those with an acknowledged strength in a particular area, and this is no different. The precedent cited has no bearing in this case. Jim Miller (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• strong keep per educational rationale of User:JimMillerJr. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Just to make it clear. I won't be closing this. Consider this similar to an arbitrator's recusal. Incidentally, I don't expect any of the questions for clarification to be responded to, nor do I expect this to close as anything other than speedy keep (I almost closed it as such myself). There simply are times on Wikipedia in which the POV pushers will "get their way" depite the double standard they're setting. (Incidentally, WP:AGF says to do so only until you encounter evidence to the contrary. And, in the past, I feel I have.) I mean this sincerely: Being an outstanding person of sound mind, and personal accomplishments is a great thing. I support, and honestly admire it. But we're all Wikipedians here. And I don't see any place where this category helps in the building of the encyclopedia. Indeed, I've seen one person make it clear that this is a "self-identifying category". Well, userboxes are enough for that. But please, continue with the POV pushing, to "get your way". After all, You'll have won, what? A feel-good listing of your friends. Congratulations. I hope you enjoy it. - jc37 23:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk about lack of AGF. What's more harmful and less encyclopedic--userpages with dozens of boxes that make it very difficult to read and use that page or categories that help make it easy to find users with similar interests? Wiki's pendulum has swung way to far to the deletionists. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep: Per Jim Miller, this categorization may serve to aid the Scouting WikiProject in creating, developing, and improving articles. Wikipedia:User categories are intended "to aid in facilitating coordination and collaboration between users for the improvement and development of the encyclopedia." The page also notes that naming and description restrictions are similar to those for userboxes. Following that line of thought… Restrictions on Userboxes refers to User page guidelines. As such, reviewing user page guidelines:

Guidance on what is acceptable on user page:

• "Your user page is for anything that is compatible with the Wikipedia project…a way of helping other editors to understand with whom they are working."

Guidance on what is unacceptable on user page:

• "Excessive personal information (more than a couple of pages) unrelated to Wikipedia." [Bold mine] A simple category, which does aid in collaboration, certainly does not exceed the "excessive" information guideline.
• "Particularly, community-building activities that are not strictly "on topic" may be allowed, especially when initiated by committed Wikipedians with good edit histories. At their best, such activities help us to build the community, and this helps to build the encyclopedia." This category, at worst, falls into this grouping. AGF, this helps establish some information about the level of knowledge an editor may have when editing articles that are related to the Scouting WikiProject.

— ERcheck (talk) 23:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - Nothing in any of the keep rationales explains how Category:Wikipedians interested in Scouting is not sufficient to cover the supposed benefits of the category. Why would that category not be enough to facilitate collaboration? I also find it fairly odd that so many users have come out of the woodwork who have never been to UCFD before just to vote on this. VegaDark (talk) 23:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Another lack of AGF. Maybe they watch the cat like I do or watch edits of someone involved. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No lack of AGF, I just find it striking that so many users could discover this so fast with no noticeboard posting that I am aware of. And I'm still wondering how Category:Wikipedians interested in Scouting isn't sufficient enough for collaboration, that category seems to cover any reasoning that has been provided to keep this category. VegaDark (talk)

comment for vegadark I'd like to know who these phantom users are of whom you speak. That sure smacks to me of bad faith, and I take umbrage. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 08:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Phantom users? Are you referring to those who I said I have never seen at UCFD before? VegaDark (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"interested in Scouting" is "not enough" because this topic isn't as simple as you think it is. If you don't understand the subject matter then please don't comment on it. -- Ned Scott 02:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - With 65 subcatagories of Wikipedians by degree rather than a single catagory of Wikipedians with college degrees, we seem to place some value on the level of an editors claimed expertise. It would seem that maintaining a similar breakdown to indicate those levels within this area is clearly within both the letter and spirit of WP:USERCAT. I am not making a claim of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but merely pointing out that the entire justification for User catagories is to identify an editors knowledge at specific levels in a way meaningful to those who check those catagories. Jim Miller (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

  A Boy Scouts badge is a far cry from a college degree. VegaDark (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

  Your dismissive tone says it all. The wood badge is not "a boy scouts badge". It is the name given to the adult leader training award by Scout associations worldwide. It is an adult youth work qualification. Mayalld (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

  I'm dismissive because this simply Training - Ongoing . I liken it to categorizing people who are CPR or First Aid certified. According to the article, "Classroom and outdoor training are often combined and taught together, and occur over one or more weeks or weekends." Something that can be obtained in a couple weekends of classes should not be compared to a college degree, which takes years of hard work, and is a standard benchmark in society to determine one's education level. VegaDark (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

  That is only part of the training. There is generally quite a bit of correspondence study. In Australia it is approved as a Diploma of Leadership under the Australian Qualifications Framework. It is a Technical and Further Education Award. I have the Wood Badge and I am in this category having put the userbox on my user page, but I am still uncertain as to whether the category should be kept or deleted. --Bduke (talk) 00:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

  @VegaDark: Saying that Woodbadge is something that can be obtained in a couple of week ends is like saying that a degree is something that can be obtaining by just waiting for the dean to call your name, then standing up and taking the diploma from his hands. Of course, there's a lot more before this, be it years of study or years of service to the scout movement and its youth members. While the path to achieving your Wood Badge varies by country, in all cases you are required to have attended previous courses and to evaluate your previous performance as an adult leader. For this reason, it is a "standard benchmark" (to use your words) to compare different training curricula of different scout organization. I hope this clarifies the issue a bit. --Lou Crazy (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

  I based that off what the article says, if that is incorrect then someone should change it. VegaDark (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

  The wood badge course itself last for a week. However, before attending the course a participant needs to complete several prerequisites courses. In the Philippines, after completing the prerequisite courses but before attending the wood badge course, participants are required to complete defined critical achievements such as helping 25% of your boy scouts advance to the next rank. Now attending the wood badge course does not automatically grants you the award/recognition. After the course participants must complete their ticket. It is like a self-imposed measurable achievement. Again in the Philippines, participants are given a series of question that they need to write a report on (sort of like a research paper). These questions are designed to test a participant's understanding of the principles of Scouting including the Patrol Method, the concept of Learning by Doing, membership in small groups, etc. Upon submitting the report the participant gets interviewed to drill into the responses to the question. Eventually the participant is given the wood badge and the certificate of completion. Hopefully this gives a better idea of what’s involved. So it is an award to signify that a person is considered “knowledgeable” in the subject matter both in theory and in practice.-Mang Kiko (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep as useful category. --evrik ^(talk) 00:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep as a useful indication of the users level of expertise in Scouting matters, and on the grounds that it is primarily a mark of achieving an educational level, rather than an award. Mayalld (talk) 15:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Jim Miller's excellent comments. This is not simply a subcat of Category:Wikipedians interested in Scouting but a grouping of potential resources, similar to Category:Wikipedians by education or Category:Wikipedians by skill. I believe it is unlike Wikipedians by professional association in that the members of the category are specialized enough to merit a subcat, but not overspecific enough to no longer be collaborative. —ScouterSig 16:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep as the Wood Badge course is an advanced adult leader training course, not an award that can be "won" or that is handed out lightly. It is indeed a defining characteristic of many of the people that complete this training and this category serves as a useful way to self-organize editor for a variety Wikipedia-related tasks in the Scouting project. - Dravecky (talk) 00:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Very useful in estimating the knowledge of an editor on scouting matters. --Lou Crazy (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: "estimating the knowledge of an editor," Woah! Wikipedians by lifestyle. Master Redyva (talk) 18:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment WOAH!, is it really that hard to conceive that if a user says "I know a lot about X" that they might know a lot about X? -- Ned Scott 08:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Right. So if I say I know a lot about something, it means I do? I can't wait to add my name to this catergory once all the boy scouts vote to keep it. Fun! I do agree with Vegadark: this is not worth categorizing. Master Redyva (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• It's always possible people are lying, but we assume good faith on Wikipedia, and we don't require verification for claims like this made in meta space. I'm in Category:Wikipedian audio engineers, but you have no way of knowing that I actually am one, or that I've had years of experience with audio engineering. But if someone were to ask for my help with a related article, not only would I be able to help out, but I have a great amount of references. That is why we keep these kinds of categories. -- Ned Scott 02:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment Redyva, I think many of the discussions in the "lifestyle" section were deleted because they are poorly defined, not just because it's a description. This Wood Badge category is very much defined. —ScouterSig 18:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because something is well defined does not mean it needs a category. --Kbdank71 18:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, per Category:Wikipedians by skill. Simply just doing something is one thing, but it's pretty clear that this involves a skill and a level of expertise. -- Ned Scott 08:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep: shows deep knowledge of Scouting.--Bedford 08:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• Burn with fire. If you want myspace, it's thataway. This is wikipedia. If you want a pat on the head for having skill, get a userbox. Or here's a novel idea: get a myspace account. --Kbdank71 18:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Who's patting anyone on the head? We keep these kinds of categories for collaboration purposes, not for praise. -- Ned Scott 02:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• "Members of this category ... are justifiably proud of their accomplishments. Scouting is a brotherhood, ... any help in growing and maintaining the ties that bind us together are most welcome and appreciated." Sure sounds like a pat on the head to me. If you wanted to collaborate, a better place to say "ask me for help" would be Talk:Wood_Badge. --Kbdank71 14:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep: Wood Badge identifies an editor as having a deep knowledge and expertise in the subject matter of Scouting. Saying that you are interested in the subject matter is insufficient. Also, no other categorization that I am aware of serves this purpose. - Mang Kiko (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Huh? "Wood Badge identifies an editor as having a deep knowledge and expertise in the subject matter of Scouting." What? I am reading its an "award for adult leaders" and the course is to teach leadership skills. Where is all this "deep knowledge" coming from? "deep knowledge" keeps getting repeated. Master Redyva (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Swedish-American Wikipedians

Category:Swedish-American Wikipedians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Per precedent to double upmerge such categories here. VegaDark (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• Double upmerge to Category:Swedish Wikipedians and Category:American Wikipedians as nom. Not particularly opposed to only upmerging to Category:Swedish Wikipedians, per the category description saying "People from Sweden currently living in the United States, or Americans with Swedish ancestry.", and ancestry cats have been deleted. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as per "ancestry" precedent, but do not merge. The problem with a merge here is that it combines two disparate groups, people who were born in Sweden and people whose ancestors were born in Sweden. A merge to Swedish would inappropriately categorize those who are using this category for an ancestry identification, and merging it to American might be inappropriate for Swedes living in the United States who don't consider themselves to be American. Horologium (talk) 21:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

  Not opposed to deletion. VegaDark (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete with unreserved enthusiasm. Master Redyva (talk) 23:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Deletion of all the ancestry categories is absurd.--Bedford 08:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedian patrols

Merge Category:Wikipedia patrols to Category:Wikipedian page patrollers

Essentially the same thing. Open to suggestions for a better target name might be. - jc37 12:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Merge as nominator. - jc37 12:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment Did you leave a word out? That first category is a redlink, and it doesn't appear to have been a category recently. (The only link to the category is this discussion.) Horologium (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Interesting. "There are no pages or files in this category." Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse) 13:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Wikipedian was the problem. Though now fixed : ) - jc37 14:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. The only difference between the two categories is that one has subcats, and the other has pages. I will add the pages to the target (Category:Wikipedian page patrollers), and thereby make the first redundant. Horologium (talk) 14:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per redundancy. Laen My Verse Ram Nej (Verse) 14:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, this does not seem to be a user cat, but rather a project page category. In other words, pages for patrolling would be placed in here. -- Ned Scott 08:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:User avk-3

UpMerge Category:User avk-3 to Category:User avk - Both are single user cats of the same user. Babel breakdown doesn't appear to be needed yet. - jc37 07:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• UpMerge - as nominator. - jc37 07:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose merge. This may be a shocker, but in this case, I actually prefer to leave as is, or even create the "missing" -1 -and -2 categories. This is a valid constructed language (ie, ISO recognition), although very recently approved (14 Jan 2008). Since it is valid, I'd prefer to retain the babelized versions of the category, as per conventions of Category:Wikipedians by language. Horologium (talk) 11:34, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

  This was essentially: Delete without prejudice for re-creation should there be more interest. I don't think we need 2 categories describing the same language for a single user. - jc37 12:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians interested in reality television

Category:Wikipedians interested in reality television - per the recent discussions: here and here. And it's a single user-cat. - jc37 05:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. - jc37 05:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, the past two discussions mentioned by the nom don't really seem to apply. For one, this is an "interested in" cat, while the other two involved "likes" cats. The other discussions involved individual shows, where some felt it was needless to be that specific, but that really won't be an issue here. -- Ned Scott 07:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

  Currently, the convention for subcats of "Wikipedians by interest in a television series" is to use the "who like" convention. And I might note that they were (at one point) subcats of this cat. As of now, all the subcats of this cat have been individually deleted. Given that prior precedent, I don't foresee this cat being used as a parent category. So this is more a question of should this be depopulated (and thus deleted). - jc37 17:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - "interested in reality television" Is too broad to be useful. You can't possibly be interested in collaborating on all reality TV shows, the category gives no direction. No prejudice to creating a "Wikipedians by interest in a reality TV series" category though, as a parent category. VegaDark (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Reality TV has become a type of show, and yes, you can be interested in collaborating on all of them. It's no different than a user interested in, say, anime. -- Ned Scott 05:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• You can be interested in all of them, sure, but will you collaborate on all of them? Doubtful. Delete. --Kbdank71 16:48, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

• We have Category:Wikipedians by interest in a television series (up for rename, not deletion), and this is no different from that. I'm interested in anime collaboration, that doesn't mean that I'll be able to edit all articles about that topic, but that's not what the category is suggesting. This logic would have us delete almost every single "interested in" user cat that we have. -- Ned Scott 08:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sure it is. And it's all based on the letter "A". "Wikipedians interested in reality television" means "as a whole", also known as "all of it". "Wikipedians by interest in a television series", with the article "A" in it, limits it to one. As in, Interested in ONE television series. Much different than what I was speaking of above. Not to mention that "Wikipedians by interest in a television series" has no users in it, just subcats. --Kbdank71 18:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• ... obviously I was talking about the subcats within it. -- Ned Scott 02:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• As I note above, the cat has no subcats, and likely will not have subcats. - jc37 17:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete and delete "reality" programing if possible. Master Redyva (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Ned Scott.--Bedford 08:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians interested in television game shows

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in television game shows to Category:Wikipedians interested in TV game shows

Not sure about this one, but felt it should be discussed. I didn't think we should try to shoehorn "TV series" into the name, since the article is Game show. But suggesting to at least change "television" to "TV" per the other nom. - jc37 05:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Rename as nominator. - jc37 05:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Rename per Nominator's wisdom. Master Redyva (talk) 22:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians by interest in a television series

Rename Category:Wikipedians by interest in a television series to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a TV series

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in animated television to Category:Wikipedians by interest in an animated TV series

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in children's television to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a children's TV series

Rename Category:Wikipedians by interest in a comedy television series to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a comedy TV series

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in drama television to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a drama TV series

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in fantasy television to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a fantasy TV series

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in science fiction television to Category:Wikipedians by interest in a science fiction TV series

Per the recent discussion resulting in Category:Wikipedians by interest in a comedy television series, This is a group rename to extend to convention to all the subcats of Category:Wikipedians by interest in a television series. In addition, proposing to change "television series" to "TV series", to match "(TV series)", the dab phrase of long convention for articles. - jc37 05:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Rename all as nominator. - jc37 05:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not entirely sure, but I think it was desired to have it be television over TV, and that some of these categories had been moved before based on that logic. I'll see if I can find anything on it. -- Ned Scott 05:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

  Actually, these genre subcats were all recent creations of Lady Aleena. Originally, all the subcats of the genre cats were merely grouped in a single "interested in television" cat. So I'm not sure what discussion you're referring to, though I'd welcome more information. - jc37 17:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)