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Welcome to the community of Alphabetic names from the world of Numbers :P » nafSadh did say 13:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Tawfīq el-Hakīm

   I'm currently writing a short thesis on Tawfiq al-Hakim with a specialized focus on Fate of a Cockroach: Four Plays of Freedom. I am finding it rather difficult to find good sources in english and suspect that there is much more information on Tawfiq in arabic. Do you know of any good arabic websites where I might find good information on him. If you had some free time I would appreciate pointing me in the right direction as the information I have found so far seems to be lacking in many respects. Is this a possiblity?

Regards, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johan1391 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Part of a series on

Saw your comment on the talk page about a "part of a series on" template. Just as a very, very rough example, I took template:zenbuddhism and very roughly applied it to Genesis here, if it helps any. - SudoGhost 04:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, it will help. That was my idea, and how I learn to do most things on Wikipedia (and coding in general), is to find someone who has already done it and look at the source, and work from there. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 05:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I cleaned the template up a bit more, and moved it to Template:GenesisSeries. I know it still needs some work, but I'm hoping to get it polished up and ready for use in the next couple of days, so that when these other articles are fleshed out it'll be ready to link them all together. - SudoGhost 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking about maybe splitting it up so that "Section 1" contains links to articles that are about the actual text itself, and "Section 2" contains articles that discuss the meaning behind the text, and naming the section headers appropriately. What do you think? - SudoGhost 18:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. The writing is forking so rapidly now I'll probably have to take a break. I broke the 500k prose barrier this night (what is that? 500 pages?), and still am 1/3 of the way through... When I get on a roll writing, I get on a roll, as I assume you can tell just from my comments on talk pages. Probably time to go to sleep now since I'm GMT-05:00. I'm going to restrict my scope to Gen 1-11 at the max (taking out patriarchal narratives for now), and likely to Gen 1-4, along with the minor cosmogonies in Job and Pss.; I'm not sure whether to make it a series on "Biblical creation mythology", as none of those have to do with Genesis, but the vast bulk of the rest does, and the fact that it is a co-existent creation mythology does relate it tangentially to the topic at hand. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 18:53, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm back. I had to squeeze out another 18k before I quit for the night/day yesterday. As you've probably been able to tell, I'm not an expert web programmer, although Wikipedia, even this simple markup, is making me re-evaluate my view of web programmers - who I used to say of, web "programmers"? it's not real coding! Trying writing C++! Or MASM32! St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 10:35, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Eh, do you think I should write two series, one exclusively on creation myths in the Bible, and other dealing with other aspects of the first chapters of Genesis? I'm getting in to the creation of man, typology (which I'm going to spin off in to a new article, as that section has reached 27k prose) and the Fall in "Genesis in theology", so I'm a bit worried it'll be viewed as an unjustifiable duplication or fork of articles Wikipedia (must) already have on those subjects. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 06:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC) 

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Was that Credo you copied to my Talk off that website/church up for AfD? I must admit I didn't bother looking at the site, I just looked for WP:RS for the name. It would appear to be one individual, his laptop and his potted geranium. But I imagine God is more forgiving than Christians (let's hope so for all our sakes) and he probably thinks he's doing something worthwhile and sincere so I don't think we should laugh at him, no matter how WP:FRINGE. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Eh, I'm going to Hell by my own standards. Let's hope so.

Yeah. But, honestly, whether God forgives him or not, I have to invoke Poe's law for the second time in one day - is he for real? The inconsistent mash-up of every heresy except for Gnosticism (although that may be in his version of the Apostles' Creed) ever known to Christendom speaks against it. I'll not laugh at the man, but at his writings (after all, I think even GK Chesterton would have been pissed if you didn't laugh at his own): I looked at the site, expecting to see a modern elucidation of Arianism - the scourge of the Church for hundreds upon hundreds of years, defended by some excellent logicians (probably arising from the fact that Arianism arose out of first philosophizing in a Neo-Platonic atmosphere, and then theologizing to fit, instead of the other way around as in normal Christianity). But I found that creed instead! You seem to be in most discussions I'm in around here, so, being an amateur theologian, I may have mistaken you for one, not noticing that most of the discussions I've been in have been on the Bible/textual criticism/historical criticism/historical issues related to Christianity, not theology. (And, I can see how it wouldn't be any funnier than the normal Nicene Creed to someone who knew no theology, nor would the joke about Origen, Pelagius, Arius, Charles Russell and Tillich mean anything :-(.) St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 13:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Like Tillich and Erasmus walking in to a bar. Tillich says "Existentialism," and Erasmus replies, "It is a humanism".

Yes, I'm sorry I'm more interested in history and linguistics than in theology - the Tillich part of the joke was lost on me. I did see the humour in your comments all the same. I was thinking more of the human factor of creating a church, with an archbishopric no less, from a website. One of the less healthy side-effects of the cyber age and virtual everything. Speaking of virtual everything, time to log off and log into real life. You have a good day, appreciate your contributions. Ciao. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:51, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

And three archdioceses. I wonder who runs them? (PS. Tillich was famous for his combination of liberal Christianity and existentialism; Erasmus was all about humanism; Sartre, a major influence on Tillich [and vice-versa, along with Heidegger and Kierkegaard] wrote the seminal Existentialist monograph, "Existentialism is a Humanism", after Tillich had already completed his work.) St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 13:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for working and being patient with me. Basileias (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

No, thank you for your patience with me. I'm never uninformed on the same subject twice (what did Dubya say? Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, I won't be fooled again?) and took quite a while to realize that what seem to be rumors or guesses surrounding the prompting for the translation were figured in my mind as fact, for no greater reason than they were repeated by authoritative men involved in the ESV translation. Talk about argumentum ad auctoritas. As in the barnstar, the truth the verifiable information in a majority of reliable sources quite well "(d)eluded" me. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 13:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Self publishers

Hi, FYI, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikipedia_reliability a drive to slow down self-published book references is getting starting. History2007 (talk) 21:09, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, I agree that the Kitt page needs to be deleted, it is purely self-promotional, and certainly not notable. I would have voted there, but I am not sure if it looks like I was "invited to vote", so it might be better if I did not vote there. But I do think it deserves to be deleted. History2007 (talk) 04:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL, Damnit! I was attempting to point out the first-fruits of your Reliability Project and SPS (several other articles linked have now been CSD'd - I can see why BLP people always want the broom & sometimes get carried away with it - as I think hers should have been, as "recreation of deleted material"), and see no need of your voting on it, as no sane man could !vote "keep" on that article. Unless it fails to generate any significant interest, as I have a feeling it's so non-notable that unless we get a good, fair admin like SnottyWong to close when he sees three deletes and no opposes and realizes that the subject's so lacking in notability even it's AFD is non-notable, it'll be re-listed several times to even get enough !votes for a "consensus". Like the Templates for Deletion discussion on theologian, where the result is clearly "No Consensus", but indecisive admins re-list it anyways. And then there are those really decisive admins, like the one who closed the Genesis creation narrative RfC - you have to admire them for cutting through the bureaucracy. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 05:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I think in time, it will eventually get deleted, given the statement that "frustrated with the industry" she started her own, etc. These things are somewhat random, but in the end usually work out. History2007 (talk) 05:05, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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I copied a bunch of user boxes from your page. In general we are probably of very similar interests and talents although you know more languages better than I do and I am almost a preist in a relious community already. Just a simple thanks. MPSchneiderLC 17:09, 27 September 2012 (UTC) — Precedingunsigned comment added by MPSchneiderLC (talk • contribs)

Distinction between pro-life and right-to-life movements?

Hi. In WP:RFC/AAT, you asserted that the US pro-life and right-to-life movements are meaningfully distinct topics. Could you give me any more insight into why you consider that the case, and if possible pointers to relevant sources? (I'm asking because it's relevant to the development of User:Chaos5023/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, an RFC draft, incidentally.) —chaos5023 (talk) 20:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I have no sources at the moment (beyond a few books of Moral Theology and Philosophy, which don't really cover the "neutral nomenclature" debate), but, in the sources I have, and in my own personal understanding, "right-to-life" has more to do with euthanasia (of all types, of both the elderly and disabled), and "pro-life" has more to do with abortion; the overlap seems to come in where abortion is carried out, in the view of the author, as a form of euthanasia, e.g. the abortion of an infant/foetus for reasons to do with anticipated future disability, for the most part (overlapping with eugenics). My main sources for this contention are the books, Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence, by David Benatar, Oxford University Press, and Sources of Christian Ethics, Servais Pinckaers OP, Catholic University of America Press, but I have no page numbers (and, note, as well, that half of what I said above is original synthesis based on the choice of authors to use different terms at different times, and I could be reading a distinction that's not there). I'm not sure if exact references to the definitions exist; I'd check a few dictionaries, but, if you desire, I will look for more evidence, as, although I have never studied it in detail, the impression I have received is this: "Right-to-life and pro-life movements deal with the preservation of human life at different stages or for different reasons, while both mostly abiding by what is called "personalism" [not "personism"], and overlapping in overarching goals." Or something like that.

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I'd love to work with you on something. Do you have any interesting articles on your to-do list? (Mine is far too long). We tend to edit different areas but maybe something on middle-eastern history would be best...? bobrayner (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Suggest any articles you want, but middle eastern history from the rise of Islam (including most of the alternative models such as Wansbrough's and Crone & Cook's) 'til the Fall of Constantinople (under Mehmed II) is pretty well-known to me, esp. the religious and military, but also economic, and political aspects (that is, what you would expect from a history book teaching it supplemented extensively with revisionist models of its religious and military history). I figure I can get a Bacon number in return by distance-collaborating on a Youtube video, something simple like unto, "I'm saying this with him so that I may obtain a Bacon number", and "I'm saying this with him so that my Bacon number can be transferred" (hopefully that's enough "collaboration"). I don't have a Shusaku number, as I've never played a game of Go in my life. I've played Reversi and Othello though. Thoughts? St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 19:27, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Once we make the call to nuke that comment out, we should probably kill the redirect page too.ReformedArsenal (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I was an Orthodox for quite a while, and Orthodox worship the Cappadocians (two of which, Basil and Gregory Nazianzus, are two of the Three Great Hierarchs, alongside the third, my namesake, St John Chrysostom), and "Cappadocian Philosophers" struck me as not only something I had never read (and, I, as well, have read most of their works, and then works about their works and about the men themselves), but, in an ineffable sense, it struck me as something that never would have been said about them* - that, no matter how Neoplatonist they were, or how Neoplatonist their milieu, they were not philosophers in any recognizable sense to us, so as to title them such (the "Cappadocian Philosophic Theologians" may be more accurate, but I've never seen it used: Gregory Nazianzus isn't called "Gregory Philosophicos" by the Greeks, but "Gregory the Theologian"). You say you found a source that calls them, "Cappadocian Philosophers": please either link me to it or type out a quote from it, and, unless it is uber-scholarly (as in, "this is the standard modern work on the Cappadocians), I think it should be dismissed in any case as, "this is something that they were called once, and in no way reflects any form of scholarly consensus", or else we end up with a page like the "list of street drug slang" that I proudly AfD'd: if we are to list every name that something has been called once, O! where dost it end?

* Orthodox call part of this having "the Patristic mind", but it has more to do with becoming so immersed in a specific historical period and/or intellectual milieu that one acquires a "sixth sense" of being able to smell a rat, such as in the famous Arabic Canons of the First Council of Nicaea (which declare Papal supremacy). St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 20:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I did link it... it was the (now dead) wiki redirect. It looks like someone already nuked it.ReformedArsenal (talk) 20:32, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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I noticed your comment at Talk:New World Translation: "I welcome discussion on this matter, and suggestions to improve it, with consensus, and not by unilateral editing on my behalf, as, from past experience, edits to articles with relevance to JWs often are hotly contested if they do not "tow the party line", so to speak (leading to a bunch of reverts and a non-collegial atmosphere where consensus is not achieved)."

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Synchronous motor

I noticed in your comment on at Talk:Synchronous motor that you said you cannot provide any sources, apparently because you are a novice monk. I am not complaining about this, or trying to get you to do anything you don't want to do, but I am intrigued why being a monk prevents you from finding sources. Do you take some kind of holy vow not to read anything perhaps? SpinningSpark 19:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

LOL: not at all. If I did, what am I doing on Wikipedia? I just don't have the textbooks any more (most of them were rented, and I sold the last one last August to pay for new books). It appeared to me that others had already found Googled sources/websites and they were being pretty much challenged as non-RS, so I didn't figure adding another stick on the fire was going to do any good. A textbook (which I no longer have) can't be rejected as RS insofar as I am aware. If you want me to Google a source up (if it will be accepted and not get the same "that's not a textbook, therefore it's not RS" that I read in a lot of the WALL OF TEXT), I most certainly will. (For DC motors [not synch.], for AC motors [including synch.], for specifically synchronous motors; these are from a commercial source however, so likely won't past muster for RS even for simple "fact verification", but, there you go, they are at least sources (even if non-RS) that support every challenged statement in the article: the components of a motor, the nature of a synchronous motor, the benefits of a synchronous motor (although to get the latter, one may have to do something that some editors would call SYNTH, and that is, compare the specs for synchronous to the specs for non-synchronous motor X).

Insofar as I could tell, the main debate was over 1) benefits of a synchronous motor, and 2) what the components of a motor are. I addressed the second, which is common knowledge (as most of the users in the quarter- or third-part of the discussion [not half as I originally stated, apologies] seemed to agree. The sources are from a Googling of "components motor", and are above the fold on the first page of results; if they help you, use them: I saw about eight hours after I took the FRS invite that the RfC had been escalated to AN/I, and I try and stay out of such (I get in enough directly in my main areas of editing effort already, without inviting myself in to ones that don't concern me!). St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 03:03, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That's not quite what the argument is about. The facts of the article are not really being disputed and the quality of the aources has not been raised as an issue. To summarize the dispute, some editors (particularly Doniago) want other editors to 100% inline cite the article. Other editors (including me) have declined to do this work considering it just a mechanical exercise, and Doniago does not want to do it himself. We believe it is disruptive to threaten to delete material one has every reason to believe is correct. I recently added a source for the "pony motor" term after it was challenged. I find it quite annoying that people challenge things like this - it took me literally 2 seconds to find a source for it on gbooks. SpinningSpark 07:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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Help with translation from Greek to English

Hello. Πρόσεξα ότι γνωρίζεις πολύ καλά ελληνικά. Θα ήθελα τη βοήθεια σου. Έχω μεταφράσει δύο λήμματα από την ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια στην αγγλική. Δυστυχώς, υπάρχουν κάποια λάθη, κυρίως συνταχτικά. Δεν έχω μεγάλη ευφράδεια στην αγγλική. Θα ήθελα να τα διαβάσεις και να κάνεις τις απαραίτητες διορθώσεις, αν μπορείς. Αν δεν ενδιαφέρεσαι, απολογούμαι για την ενόχληση. Xaris333 (talk) 13:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I will read and suggest corrections to the English. Θα σας διαβάσω και να προτείνουν διορθώσεων στους Aγγλος. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 22:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Thx. Nea Salamis Famagusta and Nea Salamis Famagusta FC. Xaris333 (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry, John, but I've reverted your recent edit. [1] Duffy is a Catholic not a Protestant (and an ex-priest and a supporter of the IRA!); [2] his religion is irrelevant in this context; [3] the martyrs were charged with heresy not treason, which is why they were burned, not beheaded; [4] the figure of 280+ is deduced from Foxe - but it is not clear that he identified all the victims. It was almost certainly more than 280. So the page was okay as it stood. Hope you're okay with these points. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

• I've not reverted your reversion (yet!) - I agree his religion is irrelevant. I was using it, quasi-disingenuously, to bolster my point. Stripping it down, my point is thus: 1) Foxe is not RS. 2) The highest number outside of Foxe is 284, as provided by Duffy. 3) If this comes from Foxe, it is itself not RS, as Foxe wrote with an obvious polemical purpose. Fourthly, unrelated to my main points, treason and heresy were synonymous (not even "mostly synonymous": all heresy was treason, but not all treason heresy, etc.) under Mary I and before the Enlightenment: Mary I (or her Privy Council in Queen) changed the laws from hanging, drawing, and quartering to burning early in her reign. Beheading was a privilege extended to nobles only in any situation involving capital punishment. I'm not nearly expert in this time-period in England (nor in England much), but I've read quite a fewe RS on it. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", as they say. Please reply, Sincerely, St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 22:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

• As you say, you are not an expert on this subject ... Yet you seem so assertive. There are several more factual errors in your comments here. Let's stick with Foxe for now. He is a remarkable historian, whose claims are backed by his own documentary evidence and can be verified with external sources where these are available. As you say, his history is certainly tendentious but he did not simply 'make stuff up' either. Thus even Catholics like Duffy, who have a very different take on the persecutions, use him and rely on him as a unique source. So, Duffy's 284 is based on Foxe. Foxe only wrote about those martyrs that he had evidence for. It is reasonable to imagine there were more - but there can't have been fewer. Beheading was not a privilege for nobles in the way you say, except in the case of treason (where it would replace being hung, drawn and quartered). Heresy was not treason. No nobles were executed by Mary for heresy. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 12:08, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

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June 2013

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Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)

ICHTHUS

July 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month

St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

Hemis monastery

• ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

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August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter

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August 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...

Christian Demographics

• ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?

Calendar
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This week's article for improvement (week 9, 2014)

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This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2014)

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