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Adam and Eve by Ludwig Krug
Adam and Eve by Ludwig Krug

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  • Proposed articles should:
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    • cite their sources (these sources should be properly labelled; that is, not under an "External links" header); and
    • be no more than five days old (former redirects, stubs, or other short articles that have been expanded fivefold or more within the last five days are acceptable).
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on May 31

  • Who nominated this? Also, article looks like it may not satisfy notability standards (all primary sources, and the articles on the various members of the board of supervisors also look rather non-notable too). BuddingJournalist 08:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
i nominated it, sorry i forgot to sign it. not all the sources are primary actually, check again. secondary sources where largely unavailable. the board members are irrelevent as they are not up for nomination. on a side note i fail to see how county supervisors could possibily be irrelevant, mayors are not, neither are city council members, especially in one of the richest most powerful counties in the nation and world. san francisco county board of supervisors all have articles.SuperSuperBoi (talk) 10:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 30

The Kramgasse in Berne, Switzerland
The Kramgasse in Berne, Switzerland
  • ... that the Jews of Byzantium enjoyed a unique legal status superior to other religious minorities, but inferior to Christians, because they were a "living testament" to the victory of Christianity?
Coracle on the Kaveri River.
Coracle on the Kaveri River.
Model of α-synuclein protein
Model of α-synuclein protein
If possible, pls crop and remove the blank space from the image. --74.14.19.91 (talk) 05:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Franklin County Courthouse, on Memorial Square in Chambersburg, in 2004
Franklin County Courthouse, on Memorial Square in Chambersburg, in 2004
Please check were the link leads - it is by no means a new article. Dahn (talk) 14:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake, I was rewriting it in notepad and removed the tags -- クラウド６６８ 20:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Does this pass the "interesting" test? FlagSteward (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 29

Why is this crossed out? --74.14.19.91 (talk) 06:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Francis Noel Clarke Mundy
Francis Noel Clarke Mundy
Ok, I'm new at this so pardon any error of judgment, but I'm pretty sure that a Sequential Tarts column by a Katherine Keller and this weblink of Ron Frantz's book do not comply with WP:RS. While pages and publication details from Frantz's book are provided, you will need to remove the questionable sites and bring in more reliable sources to support the hook and the overall article. Vishnava talk 15:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I relied on a published source and as best I could researched the material (note the mention of holdings at MSU). While somewhat obscure this is an important part of the history of collectibles in terms of dealing with fraud and other growing pains. If you are adament I will remove the weblinks you object to, although I find your objections petty. I have been a comic book collector since 1975 and these are the most "reliable" sources I could find. It is nice to work hard to create an entry that illuminates and then have a snarky response. Dgabbard (talk) 17:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the last message, I came across as a bit grumpy. I created an external links section and put the links there, and pulled the quote by Keller. Hope that addresses some of the concerns.Dgabbard (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook facts aren't inline cited, and most of the references are either 404s or links to the main page of a website rather than the specific article. Mentioned this on the article's talk page. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All references now fixed, and I added an extra footnote for the hook fact. Olaf Davis | Talk 20:58, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is not clear about time. Do you mean an advisor for the Syrians turns out to be a former flying ace? The old guy came out of retirement to shoot down 103 enemy aircraft? Or what? --74.14.19.91 (talk) 06:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 28

Viktorija Čmilytė
Viktorija Čmilytė
Rephrased. -- Matthead  Discuß   13:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date is fine. Just about meets the 1500 character limit, but it's still a bit short in my opinion. The hook facts lack inline cites per the instructions. I've also tidied the hook's grammar and punctuation. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
St. Mary's Church, Chepstow
St. Mary's Church, Chepstow
— Cheers, JackLee –talk– 22:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC) (Created and nominated article.)[reply]
I find this quite amusing. Can we hold this hook till June 6th (06-06)? :-) --74.14.19.91 (talk) 06:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lengthen and reference good, but some might have a problem of putting an "ad" on the front page. Not me, really, but there might be some issue from others here.--Bedford Pray 02:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't want to mention her as the first woman in a hockey hall of fame? --74.14.19.91 (talk) 06:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:White-throated Treecreeper kobble.jpg

Two possibilities here:

Fixed - Please re-review - The citation was fixed and more text was added. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 10:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 27

Hayyim Selig Slonimski
Hayyim Selig Slonimski
or ... that the conical step pyramids (reconstruction pictured) and circular public architecture of ancient western Mexico's Teuchitlan tradition were unique in Mesoamerica? Madman (talk) 04:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh yeah, the picture's definitely good. Added it to the original hook. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The virginals, a keyboard instrument
The virginals, a keyboard instrument
What about "... that one theory why the virginals (pictured) was so called was that the keyboard instrument was often played by young girls?" — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 03:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and ref OK, but was there a need to make this a separate page from Pike Place Market?--Bedford Pray 05:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I realize that, as I read both articles. I am just wondering if a spin-off was needed. I'm not particular against this article per se, but I am curious what others think.--Bedford Pray 05:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • After talking to my wife about the Pike Place Market, which is 25 miles from here, we agreed that making 1/4 of the Pike Place Market article be about the fish store would be disproportionate. Although fish throwing and TV ads make the fish store more well-known than others, there are hundreds of similar stores at the market. Art LaPella (talk) 05:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, there are only three fishmongers in the market, but there are "hundreds" of stores total--the Pike Place Market covers about six city blocks, and has 3-4 floors in some of the blocks. But not many of them are nearly as notable as Pike Place Fish Market, with books, films, and numerous media appearances. And none of them really draw massive crowds that all but back up traffic... rootology (T) 06:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As an aside, I could probably make the article half again as long, if 90% of the sources I found weren't behind stupid pay walls. rootology (T) 06:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anyways, I'm approving it.--Bedford Pray 06:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's true. It's Medal of Honor, but more popularly known as Congressional MofH because the award is "in the name of Congress" JGHowes talk - 13:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Our practice is to use the official name, which doesn't include "Congressional" (see the article; when it ran on the Main Page as an FA that was used). The AP Stylebook gives similar advice to newspaper and magazine writers. I believe DoD also just refers to it as the MoH. Daniel Case (talk) 14:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dan, I just went back and looked at the discussion here and it appears there are views on both sides. Personally, I don't feel strongly one way or the other. For DYK, it seems to me that the name most familiar to the general public (albeit technically questionable) would be the strongest hook but, as I say, I'm certainly agreeable to deletion of "Congressional", so I've revised the hook and the article Lead accordingly.JGHowes talk - 19:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the anti-aircraft firing by which World War II German fighter ace Walter Zellot was killed, is often considered to be friendly fire?
or,
or,
File:Rhcplive1991.jpg
Not according to Laurence Olivier chronology of stage and film performances, which I'm afraid I trust more than your ref. It was at least his 4th, and not even his first starring role as he had just played the hero in Beau Geste. Johnbod (talk) 00:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
alternatively :
Strictly true, but reads a bit oddly since way the most famous is Brecht's The Caucasian Chalk Circle, written in German. "European versions" for "English language revisions" is better, no? Johnbod (talk) 00:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Selfnom; bluefying a minor red link from a FAC nomination, and finding it surprisingly interesting. --GRuban (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 26

On the theory that sex and Marilyn sell, the second hook may be more likely to grab attention but I leave to the DYK experts to choose.Cbl62 (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Go with second hook.--Bedford Pray 19:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 08:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lacks inline references. Daniel Case (talk) 08:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. I like second hook better. Clean up some of the section heds that are still in French. Daniel Case (talk) 08:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 08:40, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Since the cited sources are journal articles that restrict access, can the relevant quotes be included in the footnotes? Daniel Case (talk) 08:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Can "Cautions" be rewritten and renamed to be more encyclopedic? Daniel Case (talk) 08:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that The Paperboys are an award-winning Canadian folk music band that blends Celtic folk with Bluegrass, Mexican, Eastern European, African, zydeco, soul and country influences? self nom. rootology (T) 04:13, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article was 3924 bytes in mid January, but still carried a stub tagging. Some could argue it was mistagged but I can see why it was... Over the last 4 days, Rootology has expanded it to 13,278 bytes, not quite a 5x expansion, but very significant at about 3.9x. I would therefore, since almost 10K was added, waive the 5x expansion requirement. The article is thorough and well written and very well sourced. The fact used in the hook is cited in the article, and the illustration is freely licensed and therefore eligible for the front page. would be my finding, except perhaps for a question about the length, on which I would appreciate forebearance... Rootology is a former indefinitely banned user who has recently returned to make a new start at editing productively and this article shows he is off to a great start. ++Lar: t/c 12:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, it's up to 5.44x now. :) rootology (T) 06:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Size goes by prose, not the file size. The January version was 2306 bytes (377 words); article is now 9851 bytes (1614 words) (both using Dr pda's prosesize script). That's 4.27x on byte count and word count. Slightly short, but I think that's offset by the article passing GA. Looks good. Gimmetrow 19:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 08:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Cited link 404s. Daniel Case (talk) 08:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OR
Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 08:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. If you want it to be a double hook, write the article. Daniel Case (talk) 08:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Refactored to his own new article - pity to waste all the other hooks at Vendramin. Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now a 2-in-1 hook for both Andrea Vendramin (Johnbod's nom) & Vendramin (my nom). --PFHLai (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and references verified for both hooks. Daniel Case (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on May 25

The sources are in Portuguese and the article is shy of the 1,500 character requirement. Vishnava talk 15:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, the sources are in Portuguese and its probably a little too short. But I'm confused now, is the minimum number of characters 15,000 as you stated or 1,500? Thanks.Scanlan (talk) 17:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my bad - its 1,500 as stated in policy above. Minor typo, Vishnava talk 18:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Have a good one! Scanlan (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's not clear to me that that's true. The sources used to establish the hook focus on Canada, and from the documents that have been released and the news articles that have appeared, I don't see any evidence that it would be restricted to the Canadian border.Northwesterner1 (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • From the cited source: "The new plan would see Canada join other countries, including the United States and members of the European Union, to form an international coalition against copyright infringement.... The deal would create a international regulator that could turn border guards and other public security personnel into copyright police. The security officials would be charged with checking laptops, iPods and even cellular phones for content that 'infringes' on copyright laws, such as ripped CDs and movies."Northwesterner1 (talk) 01:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the hook should be changed from "would" to "could"?Northwesterner1 (talk) 01:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I should have had a closer look the at the article and not just glanced at it. Maybe adding "in member countries" will do the trick?--Carabinieri (talk) 02:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with adding "member countries" -- but the member countries include most industrialized nations, and they reportedly have a plan for convincing developing countries to also accept the legal regime, and if that's the case it wouldn't be restricted to the member countries only. I know it sounds crazy, but according to the newspaper articles that are out there, they really do want to make this a global scheme. Does changing from "would" to "could" help things for you?Northwesterner1 (talk) 02:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sir Brooke Boothby by Joseph Wright of Derby
Sir Brooke Boothby by Joseph Wright of Derby
The hook is not clearly cited, and a citation within the image is not working (can be fixed simply I'm sure). I do think that the hook should be clearly cited within the text and not inside the images, which is liable to cause confusion. Vishnava talk 15:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length are fine. The hook fact needs an inline citation per the Instructions. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, I added another ref to the medalist document. -- Jao (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Jao. However, I still can't find which reference asserts that this was the Soviet Union's first appearance in the competition. Olaf Davis | Talk 21:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see what you mean now. Both Rocketto and SI imply that the 1952 Olympics were the first championship for the Soviet Union, which makes 1954 the first World Championships. But I'll try to find someone who actually says that in so many words. -- Jao (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, now I see what you mean! But yes, a direct source would be good for people (like me) who wouldn't know how often the World Championships are held. Olaf Davis | Talk 08:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Same concerns as with the recently DYKed Wawelberg Group which was named after his codename. Will now every Pole who staged terrorist attacks in 1921 Germany be celebrated by an Wikipedia biography which is prominently mentioned via DYK? -- Matthead  Discuß   13:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook fact uncited. Daniel Case (talk) 15:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Looks like this is a duplicate of Cornelis Jol Kernel Saunters (talk) 20:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Invalid Well, darn, so it is. Someone's redirected it already, I see - sorry for the mistake, I didn't think to check for alternate spellings. Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 01:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook fact uncited. Daniel Case (talk) 15:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook fact uncited. Daniel Case (talk) 15:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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