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An air strike by the Saudi-led coalition which hit a hospital in northern Yemen run by Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) kills at least 11 people. (BBC)
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Yet there's nothing in the article about how he died; I imagine that would be a particularly salient point for this story considering how unusual it is.--WaltCip (talk) 12:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Volkswagen gets approval from Germany's motor vehicle authority for technical fixes on 460,000 cars. (Reuters)
Disasters and accidents
A wedding bus carrying over 50 passengers falls into a ravine in Azad Kashmir, killing at least 25 people and wounding 20 more. Many people are critically injured, with the death toll expected to increase. (Anadolu Agency)
HEI Hotels & Resorts, a firm that operates hotels for Hyatt, Intercontinental, Marriott, and Starwood, reports that malware designed to collect payment information was discovered on computers at 20 of their locations across the United States. (Reuters)
Sage, a British accounting software firm, reports a data breach; it is presently unclear what data was viewed or taken. (BBC)
Given the consensus against the longer-standing 10k record was just a few days ago, this is not going to be posted. The Olympics ongoing exists to prevent ITN filling up with stories about individual records and events. Thryduulf (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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IT's because we have an Olympics ongoing, and by its very nature, world records are broken all the time during the Olympic events. The Harrison event happened outside of the Olympics at an event not normally covered by ITNR, so it stood out there. --MASEM (t) 14:42, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Arguably the biggest single event in 4 years of sports with the title of "fastest person on earth" that is widely used. Cant remember if it was posted last time but I do remember a debate. Men's inside 24 hours. Lihaas (talk) 06:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Thryduulf. There are so many events at the Olympics, why single out this one? Sure it's the most watched athletics event, but it isn't an athletics championship. Banedon (talk) 09:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As the nominator has decided to reopen this discussion,[1] it must be time for the pile-on votes. There is nothing that makes this event objectively more important than any other event in the Olympic games. --Allen3talk01:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - the prize pool is comparable to that of Wimbledon. Adding more prose to the article is a difficult thing however. Naming the individual heroes used would not be something non-players of the game can understand, but any other kind of text would be trivial and unhelpful. Banedon (talk) 09:56, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I mean a description of the games, e.g. "Team A picked ____ hero, team B countered with ____, team A sent ___ mid but team B had sent ___ mid and that is a bad matchup" etc. Banedon (talk) 10:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I mean something like: The group stage started on October 1 in Le Dock Pullman, Paris and concluded on October 11.[4] In Group B, ahq e-Sports Club and Cloud9 both ended in a 3-3 tie, resulting in a tiebreaker won by ahq e-Sports Club to win second place in the group. Nergaal (talk) 13:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone who is unfamiliar with a subject will find a lot of detail trivial. Polygon above outlines a decent summary - would summarising that into the article be a disservice to our readers? Fuebaey (talk) 15:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I guess that makes sense - although I find Polygon's coverage rather boring. I guess that itself is a symptom of having to balance coverage for people who do play the game, and people who don't. Banedon (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Although this will probably annoy some of the cultural purists in our audience, we have never had a chance to post an E-sports ITN event.--WaltCip (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We showcase articles here, not news headlines. That the blurb is twice the size of the prose update is telling. I know nothing about the game and come off not knowing any better after reading the article (is it a MMORPG/FPS/etc?). Please write a summary of the final (how they won) or their progression through the tournament (who were the favourites/were there any upsets?). Fuebaey (talk) 14:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Arguably, the whole article summing up the events of the last two weeks, is the whole update. That said, like any other sporting event article, we would expect an update of a final round/match to include a summary of that event, and not just stat tables. And for this event, I don't know if that's possible given how eSports are typically covered. --MASEM (t) 21:07, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall the tiddlywinks being nominated so it's hardly fair to use its absence from the main page as a reason to oppose any other nomination. If a minor expansion of the article is all that's required, let's just say that. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose because of the topic and strong oppose on the article basis. There is no content whatsoever apart from the charts. We would never post a serious ITNR sport article in such shape. --Tone21:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose mostly on article content. I'd be fine with posting the blurb if we had some prose to read about. Generally, for competitions of any sort (including things such as sporting events, awards ceremonies, major honors) we generally expect a few paragraphs of prose describing the important aspects of the event we're posting about. For an event such as this, I would at minimum expect a synopsis of the final event itself, and even better would be an overview of all events and rounds of the competition. This is basically a little background text with some massive tables, and very little prose about the actual events that happened during the competition. We need better articles than this to highlight on the main page. --Jayron3223:55, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At least 10 children are killed and 28 injured in an air attack on a school in northern Yemen. The Houthi group claims that the Saudi Arabia led coalition is responsible. (Reuters via ABC News)
The death toll from Thursday's explosion in a Silver Spring, Maryland, apartment building rises to three with others still missing. The cause of the blast has not yet been officially determined. (Reuters)
A lone gunman shoots a Muslim cleric and an associate to death in the Ozone Park neighborhood of Queens, New York City. Both were still wearing religious garb following afternoon prayers. No arrests have been made. (Reuters)
Violence breaks out in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, following a fatal police shooting of a 23-year-old male criminal armed with a handgun earlier in the day. The Milwaukee Police Department says an officer was injured after being struck in the head by a brick, while a police car and gas station were set on fire. (NBC News)
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Oppose in current state as many statements are uncited. The three commenters above are perhaps unaware that RD noms are now judged only on quality of article, not on notability of the subject, therefore votes based on notability/newsworthiness are no longer relevant. MurielMary (talk) 04:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus against posting a blurb comparing the ancient Olympics with the modern Olympics. No prejudice against a new nomination about Phelps' record haul. Fuebaey (talk) 14:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: While some recent nominations are for the breaking of records that are mere decades old, this is for a record that has stood for over two millennium. --Allen3talk09:59, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat oppose. While this is a fun story, it's difficult to compare ancient and modern Olympics. Would support featuring Phelps's final medal count, since he beat his record from 4 years ago. --Tone11:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Let's be careful now... We're slated to not post Almaz Ayana's breaking the 10,000 metres world record below. I feel a need for consistency is vital if we're going to be posting record-breakings of any sorts from the Olympics.--WaltCip (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between a record that is 2000 years old and yet another world record. Several world records has been made already at the 2016 olympics, Wikipedia is supposed to post significant and special world records. How is it biased to post this one, its like comparing apples and oranges.BabbaQ (talk) 14:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support actually interesting perspective and also a good way to emphasize such a feat among all the others happening these days in Rio. Nergaal (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest possible oppose - You can't 'break a record' that is 2000 years old. The events are incomparable. It is indeed comparing apples and oranges. How sure are we even on the accuracy of Leonidas' medal tally? It's a nonsense story, far more significant records have already been broken these games, and we didn't post them. 86.28.195.109 (talk) 16:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? The Great Pyramid's record for tallest manmade object wasn't broken for 4,000 years. Lucius Flavius Philostratus wrote about the feat shaking up Ancient Greek athletic theory. There were 115 Olympic Games after his fourpeat triple victory but before Christianity was even legal (4 times the number of Modern Games) so it wasn't just a few Games at the end with enough events for dodecuple champions to be plausible. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any RS sources backing this "you can't 'break a record' that is 2000 years old" argument? If not then this sounds like a private opinion that is contradicted by multiple sources. On Wikipedia we don't do private opinions. We repeat what is written in reliable sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that the games then were not the games now. Therefore the record is not the same. There are far more events now, so the records can't be compared. This is the same as saying the 10k world record has been broken in the 5k. Therefore this is a non-story. I suspect supports are for nationalistic reasons. As mentioned above, Wikipedia:Systemic bias86.28.195.109 (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But the Ancient Olympics only had a talent pool of about 50 million at most while modern Games have one of 7.5 billion. This makes it harder for today's athletes to dominate (can you imagine how many ties we'd have if who won the 200 meter race was judge by eye like the Ancient Olympics?) Also the 3 events that Leonidas won were contested hundreds of times compared to only 28 editions of the Modern Games. I don't know if these two things are enough to even things out but it certainly makes it less of a gulf. The 13 individual gold medals are actually in only 5 events and only 4 were won more than once. This might be less than one might expect given the huge number of swimming events (there likely weren't team events in the Ancient Games: [2] so to be fair we're not adding team golds to lone golds or Michael Phelps would've beaten Leonidas a long time ago. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support I am pretty reluctant to post Olympic related news and records since it is covered in ongoing, but this is highly unusual and I think merits an ITN blurb. With respect to the Oppose argument, multiple reliable sources are saying it is in fact possible to break ancient records. If there are RS sources refuting the claim then we may have to reconsider this. But we go with what the sources say, not personal opinions. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support One man held the record of 15 lifetimes of continuous Olympic competition just by being badass at the hoplitodromos. That is amazing. The 2,791 years since the first known Olympic champion is most of human history. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I agree with the "apples and oranges" comment from above. The modern Olympics are not comparable to the ancient games making this "record" trivial at best. --Tavix(talk)20:04, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - really? comparing an athlete who was a "true " athlete to Phelps? That guy competed in "foot races", let me see Phelps achieve the same on LAND...I find swimming holds a big disadvantage to real athletes as swimmers can collect a lot more medals than those that are lucky to manage one...Until Usain Bolt collects 13 golds, Phelps achievement does not matter..--Stemoc22:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He doesn't have the body shape to be a runner. [3] He has the body shape to be a swimmer. How are you going to expect a person to run fast when they have the worst possible leg-to-torso and leg-to-arm length ratio for it? He beats the rest of the world in popular human muscle-powered solo races so he must be an athlete. Usain Bolt seems to win every 100m, 200m and 4x100m dash he enters. He would have to win 3 in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, and 1 out of 3 in 2024 when he's 38 to do that. That's a tall order. I think the readers would know it's only a nominal record because there's so many swimming strokes. Therefore it can go up (because 2,200 years!) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:56, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ultimately. With respect to Phelps, it's just very difficult to post record-breaking stories on ITN for the reasons outlined above.--WaltCip (talk) 22:52, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Apples and oranges indeed. You cannot compare the modern and ancient olympics in this manner as they're just too different, and we don't know enough detail about the potential medals Leonidas could have won. Swimmers at modern Olympics compete in far more events, and thus have the potential to win far more medals, than competitors in any other sport so that's another reason the two are not comparable (Phelps competed in at least 5 individual events this games, plus several team events, competitors in most sports have only a single event they can enter). Thryduulf (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support the concept in general, but not the comparison. The two athletes are obviously not comparable. On the other hand Phelps' record haul is still something noteworthy in itself. I can get behind a blurb with something like "Michael Phelps wins a record-breaking 22nd gold medal".Support alt blurb 2. Banedon (talk) 01:08, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree that there is no reason why you can't break a 2000 year-old record, but there is another question: are the ancient and moderns Olympics the same competition? They certainly don't seem to be regarded as such for record purposes, which is why you don't see Leonidas on lists of top medal winners. Just because they are both called Olympic Games doesn't mean they are the same competition. In any case, since we don't have full records of winners at the ancient Olympics, I don't see how we can say what the record for most titles was there. Neljack (talk) 04:36, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I get why this was nominated, but this seems like more of a fun fact than a news item. It is difficult to compare this to the ancient olympics. Like Bandeon, I don't oppose posting a blurb relating to Phelps in general; he does sound like he might be done after this year(knock on wood). 331dot (talk) 10:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Phelps is the most successful Olympian ever as we understand the term today and he's coming to the end of an incredible career. That's worth posting. The comparison to the ancient record isn't the story and, as others have noted, the two aren't really comparable. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:16, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support the "alternate blurb II" that I just added, following the suggestion of Banedon and 331dot, the latter suggesting a kind of qualified support for "a blurb relating to Phelps in general." Similarly, I would support a blurb relating to Phelps in general. I currently oppose the other 2 blurb suggestions. Christian Roess (talk) 11:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The significance of the 'record' is overstated, because Phelps is a swimmer, and as a result he wins a lot of medals because there are a lot of swimming events. I doubt a discus thrower would ever be able to win 23 gold medals. Also there is already the ongoing Olympics blurb - do we really need another "news story" for a guy who wins a lot of medals because there are a lot of swimming events? Gfcvoice (talk) 13:16, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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A series of coordinated bombings across Thailand, mostly at sites popular with tourists, leaves at least four people dead and dozens wounded. No group has claimed responsibility for the attacks. (The New York Times)
Suspected Syrian government or Russian airstrike hits the Kafr Hamra children's hospital in a village on the outskirts of Aleppo, killing a nurse and a technician and rendering the hospital's facilities unusable. (The Telegraph)
In Canada, 20 year old Mohammad Hassan Chaudhary with mental health issues and no formal flight training issues stole a small Piper airplane. He crashed near a mall about halfway between his takeoff near Toronto and the capital in Ottawa. National security investigators ruled out terrorist or suicidal motives. Global News)
Sexual abstinence, post-Zika infection, may need to be extended to six months. (BBC)
Law and crime
Brendan Dassey, the subject of Netflix's hit drama Making a Murderer is found to have been wrongly convicted of murdering the photographer Teresa Halbach. A federal judge orders that he must be released from prison within three months. (People)
Nominator's comments: Fairly large town (~80k before the pop was displaced by the battle) changing hands after a long and violent battle (~2k dead). Narayanese (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, looks like a major development. The blurb should mention that they captured it from ISIS, since there are many parties fighting in Syria. --Tone11:29, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Support. I fixed the dab link (once I found it, it took me less time to fix it than to write this comment, so I see no reason that TRM couldn't have just fixed it). The lead isn't an essential part of the article, especially for a relatively concise article like this one. No reason this can't be posted. Unless we'd rather waste time arguing about the quality of the encyclopaedia than improving the encyclopaedia. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:05, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have a script which helps me identify these things. I don't have time to edit much in article space (I don't want to fuck things up, unlike some) so thanks for your bad faith. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:10, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Support. Article is brief but solid. It could use some filling-out for her career - since there's years between her degree and the top date mentioned. Challenger l (talk) 01:31, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those in support point to how we previously posted records that haven't been broken in decades and those against highlight the number of records broken at the Olympics, an article which is already featured on ongoing. With fairly equal support for both, there is no consensus here to post. Fuebaey (talk) 14:36, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose a number of world records have already been set in this particular "edition" of the Olympics, especially in swimming. If this could be demonstrated as something miles beyond those other records, I might re-consider, but otherwise, this is what happens at the Olympics, and we have that on Ongoing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support This was a phenomenonly fast run in an extremely fast race that had 4 of the fastest 5 10,000 metres times ever run. The previous record was set in 1993 by someone that it seems fairly certain was doping and was regarded as still an extremely fast time. This run easily beat that previous record. Distance running doesn't normally have chunks taken out of the world records every year, unlike some other olympic sports. Some more coverage.[1][2][3][4]JMiall₰23:13, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support this record stood for almost 23 years so its not something that gets broken every other year or even every other Olympics. Also, a previous record World Record performance for hurdles was recently accepted mainly due to how long the original stood. Granted the 28 years gap in this instance is a biit longer than this one of close to 23 but I still think it is rare enough to warrant inclusion.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree that it was an extraordinary performance, but then so was Katie Ledecky's world record in the 800m and a number of other swimming records at the Olympics. I don't see any justification for singling this out. Neljack (talk) 08:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Spencer: I believe this section essentially covers the significance. The records subsection seems generally to be reserved for tabular data (as far as I can tell). I've also updated the alt blurb slightly — Andy W.(talk ·ctb)16:19, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. Covered by the Ongoing listing. Katie Ledecky has smashed two world records in the pool as well; we can't post every one. Maybe if this had happened outside the Olympics it would make posting, but it didn't. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support the blurb would need to specify that this is a 23-yr old record. The age of the record is the most interesting part. We usually post records this old, but I just saw that the 110 hurdle broken a few weeks ago was 28yr old. Nergaal (talk) 14:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've just watched yet another world record fall in the Olympics, this time at the velodrome. Yesterday an American swimmer beat her own record by a country mile, smashed it. We can't keep posting some of these (as I warned) because it's unfair to subjectively apply dubious criteria as to what make a world record more world-recordy than another world record. Olympics is Ongoing, by the way. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can't we have a rule that if a world record is one of the x% oldest in athletics or swimming then it's breaking gets posted? With x chosen such that it's not too common. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like a consensus formed at the entery for Kendra Harrison breaking 100m hurdles due to how long the previous record stood. So far several of the.opposers here have forced only on how fast the new time was, using Kate Ledecky who broke her own record set this January as a counterpoint, overlooking the obvious fact that this broken record stood much longer than in the case of Ledecky.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 21:34, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So what, it's how long it's been since the record was broken only? Or the margin by which the record was broken? Both? A combination? What if someone ran the 100 m in 9.3 s? Would that count? Or a 28-year record was beaten (say, in the 1,500 m) by 0.01 seconds? Would that count? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the WR list in athletics you will notice that a pretty big chunk of the female ones are from the 80s (i.e. likely steroid-enhanced ones). I am pretty sure that any record from that era should be posted. But this one was from '92 therefore my weak support. Nergaal (talk) 23:26, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would consider the rarely as being more important and personally would not care how small the gap was. Kendra Harrison did not smash the 100 metre hurdles record (it was 0.01 faster) but was still put on the main page mainly due to how long the old record stood with no one opposing on the grounds that she did not smash it.--67.68.161.51 (talk) 22:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - if the Olympics weren't ongoing right now, I would support this. But when the Olympics is ongoing, we expect world records to be broken. What makes this world record more notable than the others that are being broken? 23 years is a long time, but not that long. Banedon (talk) 01:10, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the best "hard-and-fast" starting point I can think of is if the record is older than the person breaking it. Which was nearly but not quite the case here. Another justification would be a race so hot that multiple people broke it. Which was nearly but not quite the case here. Another would be breaking an arbitrary-but-widely-recognised glass ceiling (historical examples include 4 minute mile, 10 second 100m, 100 average in test cricket), which doesn't seem to apply here. Or breaking the record by an unprecidented increment, which isn't the case.
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Oppose - Not really important, similar incidents have occurred at airports around the world which we have never posted. Peoples flights were delayed or canceled, nothing really that important or unique. Andise1 (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per this article, "This should actually sound familiar, because it’s the third major computer malfunction of a U.S. airline in the past year."
Strong Oppose - Not news, perhaps even a failure of WP:NEVENT. (Though the larger issue of how a small failure cripples an entire airline can probably be a topic of its own article if we don't have one already). --MASEM (t) 16:18, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose should be a paragraph in the Delta Airlines article and nothing more. Certainly not of newsworthy interest to the English-speaking population of the globe. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Oppose - Didn't something like this happen a few days ago? Maybe we can post this if a multi-billion class action lawsuit arises from this.--WaltCip (talk) 17:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - We do post them, but very infrequently. I'm trying hard not to dismiss this outright because A-Rod was an excellent player, but this seems pretty similar to the Kobe Bryant retirement a few months ago (spoiler alert: we didn't post it). No offense, but this comes off as a pretty lazy nomination. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying that MLB players come from a range of countries. Still doesn't make the retirement of one player a significant story. As noted below by an IP editor, test cricket is played in a larger proportion of the world than baseball, making the comparison with Tenkdulkar rather moot. You're comparing apples with oranges. MurielMary (talk) 10:44, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. His 'greatest player' status is tainted by his drug issues. The article states that he is considered "one of the greatest", not "the greatest"; Tendulkar was considered 'the greatest'. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (and corrected indentation) - Sports retirement postings are very rare (and I would argue none should be posted). The comparison to cricket is of course flawed, as the 'fewer' countries that play test cricket include India and Pakistan, they alone are 20% of the worlds population. A quick adding up shows the countries mentioned as playing baseball add up to about 11%. Not that it matters for this nom, but needed to correct the incorrect statement. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 10:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Two bombs hidden in plant pots explode killing at least one person and injuring 10 others, including foreign tourists, in Hua Hin District, Thailand. (BBC)
Thirteen people are injured when a roadside bomb hits a Pakistani security vehicle in the southwestern city of Quetta, the same town where at least 74 were killed in a suicide bombing at a hospital on Monday. The police were escorting a judge, who was not injured. (Reuters)
Suspected Russian airstrike in Aleppo city kills Khaled Omar Harrah while carrying out a rescue mission. Omar is a Syrian rescue worker who became famous around the world after saving a baby buried for 16 hours under rubble. (The Telegraph)
Disasters and accidents
An apartment building explosion in Silver Spring, Maryland, kills at least two and injures 34, with five to seven people missing. The blast has displaced more than 90 residents. Fire and rescue responded to "a smell of gas" on July 25. The cause of the explosion is being investigated. (The Washington Post)(NBC News)
At least 21 people are killed and five are injured following an explosion at a power plant in the city of Dangyang, Hubei province in central China. The blast occurred around 3:20 p.m. local time, when a high-pressure steam pipe exploded, according to China's official Xinhua News Agency. (Reuters)
American Michael Phelps wins the gold medal in the 200-meter individual medley becoming the first swimmer to win gold medals in the same event at four successive Olympic Games. It is Phelps' 22nd gold medal in total. (Washington Post)
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Support and marking ready. I would have posted it if there were any comment on Tone's blurb suggestion - I weakly support it but am not overly fussed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:41, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Giant sharks are popular topics and we should get a piece of the action (cue the Jaws theme). The article has lots of interesting aspects such as "corkscrew seal-ripping"... Andrew D. (talk) 12:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. Although not particularly important, it has the benefit of being true and concise, and it is nice to have a science item. Abductive (reasoning) 15:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Oppose for now. Article quality has a long way to go. Very little is referenced, there's no mention in the article text about the manner or circumstances of his death, it's got a weird organization problem (why are batting statistics listed under family members?!?) Really needs some work before we invite others to read this article through a main page link. --Jayron3216:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Short article, minimal referencing - and the man's entire career is represented by a single graph. This needs a ton of work before it's front-page quality. Challenger l (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in current state. Graph is insufficient to describe a career, although some of the prose earlier in the article is related to his career - needs re-organisation and improved citations. MurielMary (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: An adequate article that's now adequately sourced. But the article needs to be expanded to include the ongoing legal battles that Steinbeck endured (especially during the final decade of his life) with regards to both his father's legacy and copyright issues. Christian Roess (talk) 09:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) says it has thwarted two armed Ukrainian incursions into Crimea with at least two killed, including one FSB officer, following a "massive fire fight" with "sabotage-terrorist" groups. Ukraine denies the Russian claims. (Reuters)(The Guardian)
Boeing's CFO Greg Smith announces that Boeing won't raise production of its 787 Dreamliner to fourteen per month as previously expected, but will keep it at 12 while continuing to monitor demand. (Reuters)
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Oppose. A depressingly short article about someone that had a career spanning nearly 40 years - barely any citations and barely anything else. Challenger l (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At least 14 people are killed after Saudi-led coalition airstrikes hit a food factory in Yemen's capital Sana'a. The airstrikes come just days after the suspension of inconclusive peace talks in Kuwait. (The Guardian)
Delta Air Lines cancels about 530 flights worldwide on the second day of its major computer systems problem due to malfunctioning switchgear. (Reuters)
A raging wildfire destroys dozens of homes and prompts the evacuation of more than 400 people from Portugal's Madeira island as flames spread near the island's capital, Funchal. Regional PresidentMiguel Albuquerque says one person had suffered serious burns and scores of others had needed treatment for the effects of smoke. Flights have also been disrupted at Madeira Airport due to smoke. (BBC)
French swimmer Camille Lacourt accuses Chinese swimmer Sun Yang of doping, saying "he pisses purple", while American swimmer Michael Phelps says "something needs to be done" to prevent doping from infiltrating swimming. (AFP via ABC News)
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Comment - it would be good to have this posted. At the moment we have on RD an Iranian-Kurdish nuclear scientist and a US politician. We could have an Egyptian Nobel laureate (see nomination here) if a kind passing admin could make a decision on that in the next hour or so (is it permitted to ask an admin to look at a nomination that might be ready?), and having an English Duke up there would be nice as well. There is also an Irish bishop. Do the articles need to be worked on to get them to the same standard, or does it depend on the standards of the people 'voting' in these nominations? Carcharoth (talk) 22:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC) Sorry, forgot the Indian minister. Carcharoth (talk) 22:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A proseline of his military career and a list of his children is not post-worthy. Material in the lede about his wealth is not represented in the body. Stephen01:02, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - tidy up needed in: clarity of English e.g. the meaning of "Negi insisted the school's officials" isn't clear; organise facts into chronological order e.g. early life section is out of sequence (marriage in 1990s then health in 1980s). MurielMary (talk) 10:23, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Have copyedited that sentence. Please check; or better still hit the [edit] and help. Have also removed the marriage bit. He had three wives and dunno which marriage happened in 1996. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:05, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More than fifty protesters are killed by Ethiopian security forces over the last few days. The government restricted internet and journalist access to the country. (Al Jazeera)
Japan orders its military to shoot down any North Korean missiles that threaten to strike Japan at anytime, and is placing its forces on a state of alert for at least three months, according to a Ministry of Defense official. (Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: I'm putting this under 8 August instead of 7 August (the date of the referendum) since this date is when the results were announced Banedon (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Withdrawn] Sterile neutrino
I'm going to withdraw this since I find Dragons flight's arguments convincing. If anyone still feels this is worth posting feel free to revert this closure. Banedon (talk) 05:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Similar to the 750 GeV bump earlier this week, this null result is big for particle physics. It may well indicate the desert theory (Desert (particle physics) is true. Don't know which article is better to link to. Sterile neutrino is more directly relevant but it's also more technical. There's little hope to make it less technical as well: it's a difficult topic, not something even an undergraduate in physics can be expected to be familiar with. The Standard Model article is more accessible but still rather technical (although this time it's something a physics undergraduate should be expected to understand ... to some degree). IceCube Neutrino Observatory would link the instrument used, but not the theory. All articles need updating; should be done pretty soon though. Banedon (talk) 02:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well a null result is still a result - think Michelson-Morley experiment. On a personal level I actually feel this result (and the lack of groundbreaking data from the LHC) is more interesting than the gravitational waves detection earlier this year, since GR is so well-established that gravitational waves not being detected would have been a much bigger story. Banedon (talk) 08:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Michelson-Morley is a classic result because it disproved something that most experts at the time thought to be true (i.e. luminiferous aether), and pointed towards an obvious problem with the then current theoretical understanding of light. By contrast, even before this result there was no consensus that sterile neutrinos must exist at all, and even if they do exist, there isn't a strong reason to assume their mass range is accessible to current experiments (GUT models often suggest sterile neutrino masses of 105 – 1012 GeV, far above the current result). If sterile neutrinos exist, and if they have a relatively low mass, then they make more sense as a dark matter candidate, but they are far from the only dark matter candidate. Altogether, this null result is interesting for particle physics, but it does little to challenge or improve our current understanding of the universe so it is not nearly as important as something like the Michelson-Morley experiment. Dragons flight (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose in current state as many statements are not cited; also needs tidy up for paragraphing (so many one-line paragraphs make for difficult reading) and probably different sections/subsections would help with the organisation as well. MurielMary (talk) 09:53, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I've done some work on it and I think it looks a lot better now but it could do with more. I've done the "death and legacy" section and everything up to his retirement as Bishop of Derry, but everything between the two is not much more than a collection of factoids. I don't have time for that right now and won't until tomorrow morning. Perhaps somebody else could tidy it up a bit? I've put a lot of the detailed obituaries and coverage of his death in the references section; there's enough there to write a passable article so you wouldn't have to do much research beyond reading those sources if someone was pressed for time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:45, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man and MurielMary: I've been working on the article (not for ITN, but because I think he's an interesting man and the article needed work). As a happy side effect, I think it's now of a good enough quality that it can be posted. I'll continue working on it as I have the time, though any help would be appreciated—Catholic bishops aren't exactly my area of expertise. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: He was executed by Iran on August 3, but it's only making the rounds in the news today as Tehran confirmed it yesterday, hence I'm listing it here. Major story. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD well-referenced article. Would be good to have more information on his life before the spy saga, but not a barrier to posting. Oppose blurb on the recent precedent of Qandeel Baloch, victim of an "honour" killing in Pakistan, when ITN consensus was that RD was more appropriate than blurb even though the nature of her death was rather more newsworthy than her obit as a noteworthy person. MurielMary (talk) 09:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article:2016 Ethiopian protests (talk·history·tag) Blurb: At least 90 people protesting human rights abuses, corruption and land confiscation have been shot and killed during some of the most violent protests seen in sub-Saharan Africa in recent years. (Post) Alternative blurb: Thousands of people have been attacked and/or arrested during some of the most violent protests in sub-Saharan Africa's recent history. Alternative blurb II: At least 90 people are killed during protests against human rights abuses and corruption in Ethiopia. News source(s):Reuters, BBC, VOA Credits:
Nominator's comments: Adding more info as and when updates come. Could use help with an image. These are the most violent protests Sub Saharan Africa has seen in a long time. This is also a region of the world and country that doesn't get on the "In the news" section very often. Monopoly31121993 (talk) 14:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The reports seem to vary how many (if any) are dead. Also, the "most violent protests" aspect of both blurbs seem to be synthesis. If we post this, we should leave it to the reasons why, and not try to express magnitude by this type of language. --MASEM (t) 14:30, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. There's potential for a clear-cut post here. The article needs a bit of work but that should happen naturally as details emerge. Of bigger concern is the blurb. I'm a bit hesitant to go with (the normally gold-standard) Reuters due to the way they seem to have arrived at that headline. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Blurb definitely needs work to be more neutral. Should just be simple and state that people died/were arrested in protests in the country. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Stating the facts (number of people killed) and the reason why they were protesting is very neutral and NPOV. Just "state that peopled died"? Wikipedia states facts like the number of people killed all the time. Stories from Africa should be treated equally.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 17:07, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The third blurb added by Masem is what I was looking for. The sensationalism of "shot and killed" and "most violent" was what needed to be avoided. Sorry for not conveying that properly. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:13, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Plus I noticed that the "most violent protest" is comparing to a Dec 2015 event, which is far too recent to be calling this out to make this much that more important. (I do not question the general importance of this, just the pleading-type of language to try to elevate it beyond what NPOV would require us). We can identify the cause of the protests because that is key context here. --MASEM (t) 17:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted okay, sick and tired of waiting for a trustworthy admin, you'll have to put up with me in this case. All complaints should be directed to ERRORS and Arbcom. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose, article too short, lacks substance. Half of article is that worthless "Reactions" crap. Support only when these deficiencies are corrected. Abductive (reasoning) 15:06, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Approximately, a mobe of 200 (Mourners) targeted. Above 100 injured half of them are fatal. Nearly 100 (above 80) have lost their lives. Nannadeem (talk) 17:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support I am becoming increasingly reluctant to support the weekly (at least) terrorist attacks in places where such are extremely common, even with comparatively high death tolls. These kinds of mass casualty attacks in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq occur with a frequency rivaling mass shootings in the United States. I concede that some will need to be posted, but, the bar for my support is going to a bit higher than previously. Not sure exactly where that will be. But I think that this is probably on the low end of what I am likely to support in the future. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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