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2024 South African general election
Blurb: The African National Congress (ANC) loses their 30-year majority in South Africa's parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The African National Congress (ANC) loses their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid in South Africa's parliamentary election.
News source(s): (AP) (BBC)
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- Nominated by CastleFort1 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: In addition in highlighting the ANC losing its majority, the uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK), led by former president Jacob Zuma, has also seen a rise in the polls. CastleFort1 (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support when ready: Although we're still waiting for the official results to get published, and the article needs to be updated with new information, I think there's no doubt about the ANC's loss of parliamentary majority being by far the biggest takeaway from this election, as well as a turning point in the modern history of South Africa. Oltrepier (talk) 11:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - Until official results and the composition of the National Assembly is finalised. However, last general election, did we wait to post when the president is actually elected by parliament or did we post the NA results? I would be in favour of posting both as this is the most significant election in South Africa since 1994, and basically the only election where one party hasn't been dominant since 1948. This is a big moment in South African history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment we need to phrase this the way we always phrase election results, to avoid seeming partisan. The blurbs above, which phrase it as The ANC loses... are not accurate - the ANC still won the election, only that they're short of a majority. — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur with this. After the number of seats are released, I will make a second alternate blurb to reflect it. It'll say that the ANC won the most in South Africa's election, but it will mention them losing their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid. CastleFort1 (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- We could also write that the ANC won the plurality of votes but failed to get a majority. That could make it less ambiguous for readers. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur with this. After the number of seats are released, I will make a second alternate blurb to reflect it. It'll say that the ANC won the most in South Africa's election, but it will mention them losing their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid. CastleFort1 (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Marian Robinson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Alexander Lang
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
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- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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German actor and director. Needs more work. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Robert Pickton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global NewsAP
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- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Looks fine. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support It didn't look fine to me when I checked, but looks fine enough now (for a disgusting story, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
May 30
RD: Geneviève de Galard
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
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- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Needs a little work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Drew Gordon
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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In solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Donald Trump found guilty
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Blurb: Donald Trump found guilty in a criminal trial of falsifying business records with the intent to conceal or commit another crime in relation to payments to the porn star Stormy Daniels. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former president of the United States Donald Trump (pictured) is found guilty of 34 felony charges in New York, USA.
Alternative blurb II: Former president of the United States Donald Trump (pictured) is found guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
News source(s): NBC News
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- Nominated by BilledMammal (talk · give credit)
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- Support This is most certainly in the news. This is the first time a former U.S President has been found guilty of felony charges and is a very notable event. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ach, beat me to it. I was going to boast about being the first vote to my grandkids. Bremps... 21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support First criminal conviction of a U.S. President. Article quality is good. Bremps... 21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Obvious notability. The Kip (contribs) 21:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support History making event. Prefer alt blurb.yorkshiresky (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support to quote the great contemporary philosopher Billie E.P.B. O'Connell, duh. Sceptre (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt2 per (gestures vaguely at everything) —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 21:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt2 per pythoncoder. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 21:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt2 This is very important news. I believe ITN reports when a current/former head of state/government of a nation is convicted of a crime. The alt2 blurb also sounds the most "ITN" out of all of the blurbs.
- Posted - Fuzheado | Talk 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted in 21 minutes. Is that a record? Lukt64 (talk) 21:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- What about Queen Elizabeth's death? Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was 6 minutes. Nevermind. Lukt64 (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- What about Queen Elizabeth's death? Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted in 21 minutes. Is that a record? Lukt64 (talk) 21:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support notability per Bremps, maybe wait a little for article to settle down a bit? Might be worth it to wait for whatever reactions come from Trump and other involved parties before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- We already have a separate article for that: Reactions to the prosecution of Donald Trump in New York. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Concur with this, article will almost certainly have some back-and-forths going on. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support even though I think it shouldn't have been posted this quickly. While I don't think convictions of heads of state/government should be ITNR, I do think they're generally pretty newsworthy. (And didn't we have another one earlier this year?) GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Stormy times for The Donald. Have just the cortege live on TV. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- you missed a good opportunity to blue link Stormy to Stormy Daniels Lukt64 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- How embarrassing. My apologies. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Shucks. US$130,000 and you don't even get golden rain.
- you missed a good opportunity to blue link Stormy to Stormy Daniels Lukt64 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment the New York, USA part is redundant as it already said he was the POTUS. Just say New York.
- Jbvann05 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support this has made front-page headlines on multiple news sites. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd just be very amused if we don't put this on the front page for a day or so, and let "Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad" stay at the top for a while. What are the odds Sunil Narine would ever be on the front page again? DS (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment remember that while a likely near majority of us are elated by this news, we still must handle it's writing and application impartially and neutrally, meaning it should not be getting special attention at ITN outside of its posting in the standard ITN process. Masem (t) 22:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb missing "all" Seems that most sources headline that he was guilty on all 34 counts.[3]—Bagumba (talk) 23:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support—Obviously. And I agree with Bagumba that we ought to mention the fact that Trump was convicted on every single count for which he stood trial. Kurtis (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support adding "all" per Bagumba. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support for the record. Historically important and being covered worldwide. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment should (question here, not a requirement) be saying that these are falsifying records as part of his 2016 election campaign? For our non-US readers that do not understand why this state-level charge of doing bad business has significant consequences. --Masem (t) 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea, assuming it doesn't make the blurb too long. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we'd need to stay concise Masem (t) 00:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a good idea. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea, assuming it doesn't make the blurb too long. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 02:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Historic and significant. Minimal explanation is needed to elaborate. -TenorTwelve (talk) 02:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support for adding "all" as per Bagumba and Chaotic Enby. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment is it typical of ITN to post political court rulings before the appeal phase? 188.26.145.178 (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- A jury verdict is actually not considered a "court ruling", but with respect to precedent, we posted in December 2010 immediately following the conviction of former President of Israel Moshe Katsav on rape, obstruction of justice, and like charges. BD2412 T 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- And in nearly all cases where we have posted a conviction, we know appeals will be attempted and all that. If there is a change of the conviction after the fact (and that depends on the situation) we would likely post that. Masem (t) 16:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- A jury verdict is actually not considered a "court ruling", but with respect to precedent, we posted in December 2010 immediately following the conviction of former President of Israel Moshe Katsav on rape, obstruction of justice, and like charges. BD2412 T 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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(Ready) RD: Larry R. Hicks
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Aizenberg, Tom (May 29, 2024). "Judge Larry R. Hicks, appointed by Bush, dies at 80; flags at half-staff in Nevada". KRNV.
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- Updated and nominated by BD2412 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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A very run-of-the-mill example of a modern United States federal judge. BD2412 T 02:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fixed up the article a bit, expanded lead. Looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article look sready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Richard Ellis (biologist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk · give credit) and Scaramouche33 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Obit published 29 May. Thriley (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Article is a stub and needs ref work.Weak support I feel like the article just barely isn't a stub/covers the bear minimum. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)- Comment/Support I have rewritten and expanded the article to make it more acceptable for ITN. Should be good enough now. Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bob Rogers
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
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- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cancerward (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Happily888 (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Unsourced section and some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose some cn tags and Radio career section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Margot Benacerraf
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País, Efecto Cocuyo
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- Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
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Venezuelan film director. Considered one of the most important filmmakers in the country, recipient of a Cannes Award in 1959. NoonIcarus (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose need for additional sourcing.PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)- Comment @PrinceofPunjab: There was only a single cn tag when I checked the articles. Said tag has been fixed now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @PrinceofPunjab: There was only a single cn tag when I checked the articles. Said tag has been fixed now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced date of birth. Stub tag will have to be removed before it can go onto the main page. Schwede66 21:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have added a citation (reused) for the date of birth. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Stub tag removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
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Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain
Blurb: The governments of Norway, Ireland, and Spain recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign state. In response, Israel recalls several of its ambassadors to these countries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN
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- Nominated by Mika1h (talk · give credit)
The previous nomination (from May 22) was closed because the event hadn't happened yet. Mika1h (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient update in terms of the added table parameters and details on diplomatic foreign relations with Ireland. Decent article that is maintained. Kingsif (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, although only the table has been updated and I would like to see prose about it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Relevant table has been updated. The article does not include individual prose for each country that recognizes Palestine - the updates to the article seem sufficient Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Even though this is covered by ongoing, it is notable enough to merit its own blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose They’re neither the first EU/NATO states (most of Eastern Europe) nor the first “western” states (Sweden, Iceland) to do so, and none of them (except debatably Spain) are major regional/international powers in the same way as the USA, Germany, or France (whose recognition I probably will support when it happens). I don’t really see how this is especially notable as a result, beyond the context of the war, at which point it becomes a question of whether it overrrides the ongoing item, and (perhaps somewhat circularly of me) for the reasons previously stated I don’t really think it does. The Kip (contribs) 00:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good enough, plus given the current climate surrounding Palestine/Israel conflict, this does have some more 'heft' to it. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per The Kip. I get the point that this was done by three countries at once in response to Israel's mishandling of the war against Hamas, but countries recognise the State of Palestine all the time in support of the two-state solution (for instance, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and The Bahamas have very recently done it). A total of 145 out of 193 UN member states have recognised the State of Palestine, and these are no firsts in any category.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Slovenia’s also in the process of recognition as of today. The Kip (contribs) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as before and a certain step towards two-state solution. Brandmeistertalk 07:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Out of all the countries that recognise the State of Palestine these three are the 'certain step towards a two-state solution'? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- In my humble opinion, even if lasting peace is light years away. Others may disagree. Brandmeistertalk 08:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Really? Out of all the countries that recognise the State of Palestine these three are the 'certain step towards a two-state solution'? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose – I'm not seeing any prose update describing this event. Significance is not made clear in the article; how are governments responding to this? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose No significant update – just some entries in a long table. Also, as this seems to be mainly a political gesture rather than having some significant effect on the ground, I reckon it's just one of many daily events covered by our Ongoing entry for the war. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, if there's not actual prose added describing the event, how is it considered significant enough to be ITN? It's a big deal but we already feature the Israel-Hamas War on the page and I don't see this as a significant change to the status quo, and if it is I have not seen adequate justification for that. Lunsel (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support A significant unified front taking a notable step towards the recognition of Palestine. It is notable especially because the holdouts have been from “the west” and these countries are from “the west.” Admittedly, it was only 3. But this does create momentum for Palestinian statehood even if it will be years or decades.-TenorTwelve (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- They’re not the first western states to do so, though - Sweden and Iceland beat them to that punch years ago. The Kip (contribs) 03:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Soon to be 4, with Slovenia, which can be taken as more evidence of momentum. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 09:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per The Kip, they are not the first western countries to recognize the Palestinian Statehood. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I know last time this came up, I opposed on CRYSTAL. But I still am not convinced its major enough to justify being in ITN as above states, other countries already did this before and I think its generally already covered by the ongoing conflict coverage. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support on principle, oppose on lack of update. We can't post every country that recognises Palestine, and there isn't a clear 'first' in this case. Nevertheless it has garnered a lot more media attention than almost every other recognition in that table. So in principle I think this is postable. However Andrew Davidson is right - there's no prose update in the article, only table entries. We need at least a paragraph of referenced prose about these developments. Modest Genius talk 12:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 Georgian protests
Blurb:
Alternative blurb: The Georgian parliament led by the Georgian Dream party overturns the presidential veto of the controversial Russian-modelled "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence" despite large-scale protests
News source(s): The Guardian (live coverage)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article really needs an overhaul, may have to wait until vote is over. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support has been preceded by notable protests, fits ITNR Ion.want.uu (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but the protest article needs just a few more fixes (four {{cn}} paragraphs in the Russia and US reaction sections, some proseline issues). For people using cite highlighters like me, note that some sources show up as unreliable even though they might not be, as the Facebook share link of the sources got archived instead for some reason. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, this is domestic politics with no major international impact. Secondly, if there were mass-scale protests and people really condemn the bill, they could vote against the ruling political parties on the parliamentary election later this year to change the political climate. That’s how it works in a democratic country, which Georgia pretends to be. Thirdly, the wording of the blurb with “controversial Russian-modelled” is very confusing (Did Russian officials participate in the proposal?) and not neutral. Fourthly, posting this implies that we should consider posting the potential repeal of the law in the near future if the composition of the parliament changes, which would be too much navel-gazing on a topic within a single country. In general, we don’t post such events. Protests always have the potential to merit inclusion in case they escalate, but this is still not it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please reread WP:ITNCDONT. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- It quite clearly means it's modelled on a Russian law, not that Russians had any direct involvement. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Vanilla Wizard: Even if it's modelled on a Russian law, this is an event with a minor impact in global politics, and "controversial" isn't a word that should be included in a blurb. Wikipedia should remain impartial. There are hundreds of similar laws around the globe which push countries closer to Russia, China, the United States or any other global player. I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- If people are protesting the law it is evidently controversial... Traumnovelle (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Those people can punish the governing parties on the parliamentary election later this year. That’s how democracy works. The protests have potential for posting if they turn violent with casualties or end up in a change of government, and the law itself has potential if international sanctions are imposed against the Georgian government, but the events have clearly not reached that state yet. A milder way to oppose this would be to wait how things develop in the coming days. Otherwise, a law on NGOs resulting in mass-scale protests is very much a run-of-the-mill event, especially in times when we have major ongoing armed conflicts.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It has major international impact in light of EU enlargement and the threat of Russian aggression. This law has put Georgia away from the EU membership they have been striving for until now and back into the arms of Russia, who still occupy 1/3 of the country. The fact that several heads of state as well as international organisation have widely commented on this repeatedly reflects this. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Georgia's accession to the EU would increase its population by 0.83 per cent, area by 1.65 per cent, GDP by 0.18 per cent, and would reduce its GDP per capita by 0.65 per cent. That's all but definitely not a major impact. Furthermore, it won't happen in foreseeable future given that there have been candidate countries for more than 20 years now. Also, if you take a look at the opinion polls on this year's parliamentary election, it doesn't seem likely that the ruling party will lose and the government will change. So, it literally boils down to whether these protests can overturn the government and/or something big happens in the country's international relations (e.g. imposing of international sanctions). As it stands, there are no signs for that happening other than diplomatic notes, but we can wait to see how the story unfolds further.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's the closest transcontinental country to EU membership, polling in Georgia has EU accession at 80% support levels consistently. The protests have been huge given the relatively small population, consistent, long-term and widespread; the 2023 protests were successful at the time; this time time will tell but inclusion on ITN is not solely based its success rate. Every major news outlet in most countries has covered this, which is rare given it's a small far-flung state for most, nearly all top politicians in the EU, Russia and US have commented or are monitoring the developments. I think given Russia's increasing influence Georgia is seem as a litmus test for many, so it is hugely important geo-politically. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not entirely sure what kind of protests are considered notable enough for inclusion on ITN. Does it have to have a death toll? Does it have to lead to regime change? Obviously, we can't predict the latter, so it remains vague Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was pinged, but I'll only make this one reply as it seems this back-and-forth is long enough already. Re:
"I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT"
Because your first and foremost argument against posting was that you believe this story only affects one country and has no international impact. WP:ITNCDONT clearly outlines this is not an acceptable reason to oppose."Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive."
I was going to argue against the idea that there's "no international impact" to what's going on in Georgia right now when the geopolitical implications seem fairly obvious, but doing so would be besides the point. Even if I agreed that this story is only related to Georgia alone, that's not a valid reason to oppose it. That is why I asked that you reread WP:ITNCDONT. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- You’re clearly overreacting here and hanging on to my argument on the limited impact of this event. Please read my other arguments and the whole discussion before rules-lawyering. In general, we don’t post protests, unless they turn violent or result in major changes. Furthermore, the Georgian government began normalising the relations with Russia when they lifted the sanctins and re-introduced air travel between the two countries last year. This law is relatively insignificant compared to what was happening over the past year, but people get deluded that this is a break-even point because of the protests (there are always protests when authorities clamp down on the NGO sector, but that doesn’t imply any greater significance).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- just cos we haven’t done it before doesn’t mean we don’t do it now Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- You’re clearly overreacting here and hanging on to my argument on the limited impact of this event. Please read my other arguments and the whole discussion before rules-lawyering. In general, we don’t post protests, unless they turn violent or result in major changes. Furthermore, the Georgian government began normalising the relations with Russia when they lifted the sanctins and re-introduced air travel between the two countries last year. This law is relatively insignificant compared to what was happening over the past year, but people get deluded that this is a break-even point because of the protests (there are always protests when authorities clamp down on the NGO sector, but that doesn’t imply any greater significance).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Georgia's accession to the EU would increase its population by 0.83 per cent, area by 1.65 per cent, GDP by 0.18 per cent, and would reduce its GDP per capita by 0.65 per cent. That's all but definitely not a major impact. Furthermore, it won't happen in foreseeable future given that there have been candidate countries for more than 20 years now. Also, if you take a look at the opinion polls on this year's parliamentary election, it doesn't seem likely that the ruling party will lose and the government will change. So, it literally boils down to whether these protests can overturn the government and/or something big happens in the country's international relations (e.g. imposing of international sanctions). As it stands, there are no signs for that happening other than diplomatic notes, but we can wait to see how the story unfolds further.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It has major international impact in light of EU enlargement and the threat of Russian aggression. This law has put Georgia away from the EU membership they have been striving for until now and back into the arms of Russia, who still occupy 1/3 of the country. The fact that several heads of state as well as international organisation have widely commented on this repeatedly reflects this. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Those people can punish the governing parties on the parliamentary election later this year. That’s how democracy works. The protests have potential for posting if they turn violent with casualties or end up in a change of government, and the law itself has potential if international sanctions are imposed against the Georgian government, but the events have clearly not reached that state yet. A milder way to oppose this would be to wait how things develop in the coming days. Otherwise, a law on NGOs resulting in mass-scale protests is very much a run-of-the-mill event, especially in times when we have major ongoing armed conflicts.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- If people are protesting the law it is evidently controversial... Traumnovelle (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Vanilla Wizard: Even if it's modelled on a Russian law, this is an event with a minor impact in global politics, and "controversial" isn't a word that should be included in a blurb. Wikipedia should remain impartial. There are hundreds of similar laws around the globe which push countries closer to Russia, China, the United States or any other global player. I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's notable enough, especially with the EU and USA reaction. Should the bill pass, which it looks like GD will do everything in their power to do so, then that effectively scuttles any and all chances of Georgia approaching the west or having friendly relations with the EU, which has stated this will kill their EU membership bid, and the US said if it passes it will warrant sanctions on Georgian leadership. Scu ba (talk) 05:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is pretty hard to read, grammatically, narratively and organizationally. Longer than it has to be, too. I don't think many people going in without a prior understanding of the plot are going to leave with one, either, just "plenty of snippets" and disjointed parablocks (chunky pseudographs). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is a mess, and the update given by the blurb is a whole two sentences. The bill itself likely needs to be its own thing from the protests, and that's going to be a lot of work. --Masem (t) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and it's just a domestic thing, not really ITN worthy (maybe good for ongoing though for the protests?) Sharrdx (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ongoing means there would be several blurb-worthy (or close to blurb-worthy) updates, so that's an even higher bar to clear. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality Very much in the news, I feel like I've been seeing an endless stream of new articles about it even though Georgia isn't exactly a country I'd expect to see nonstop news about. It definitely has major geopolitical implications, but I'd also like to remind some editors that it also doesn't need to in order to be notable enough for ITN. As for quality: the page isn't unsalvageable, but it definitely needs some work. It doesn't take a lot of skimming to find some confusingly written sentences that were probably translated very roughly from Georgian. I'd say most of the article is okay (or at least intelligible) but I'd like to see some improvements made before posting. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article needs work for readability. Support on notability, but oppose current blurb - IMO the protests should be the focus, not the law itself. The Kip (contribs) 01:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) People's Majlis
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Members of the 20th Parliament of the Maldives take oath of office and Abdul Raheem Abdulla elected speaker (Post)
Alternative blurb: Members of the 20th Parliament of the Maldives take oath of office and Abdul Raheem Abdulla, Special Advisor to the President elected speaker
News source(s): Edition, Sun, Sun, Avas, Majlis, Adhadhu
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
The parliament with most members in the Maldivian history with an amount of 93 and People's National Congress has a super majority with 75 members making an history. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is not an ITNR, the election was last month. The inauguration or taking of the oath of office is rarely considered significant enough for a blurb if the election was already reported. --Masem (t) 11:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Estreyeria (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. The Kip (contribs) 19:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Sadly, looking in the archives for April, we missed the election itself. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose On technical grounds, the article nominated isn't even included in the proposed blurbs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's the first link. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Even so, the oppose still stands as there are too many uncited sections anyway. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
May 27
May 27, 2024
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
Law and crime
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RD: Elizabeth MacRae
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose The article's body isn't bad in terms of sourcing, just one cn tag overall. However the filmography section is unsourced and needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bette Nash
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
- Created by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Highresheadphones (talk · give credit) and JLo-Watson (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
World's longest serving flight attendent. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Short but apparently well-cited. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support hesitantly. It's a start-class, not a stub, so it's presentable on the main page. Bremps... 02:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Going for Great. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article could be longer, but looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support for the same reason as Bremps. Highresheadphones (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Stephen 01:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bill Walton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Awards section lacks inline citation, but most of it is cited in the prose. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support updated and sourced some things. I do see two citation needed tags, but they are likely sourced within the next sentence. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Supportpbp 00:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Impressed with this article & its excellent and thorough sourcing.
But I agree that the Awards section lacks inline citations at this point(as GreatCaesarsGhost mentions above), but as soon as this section is corroborated it should be Ready to post. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)- I added inline citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, good work. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I added inline citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient sourcing and quality.—Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
May 26
May 26, 2024
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Politics and elections
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(Posted) RD: Richard Mazza
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VT Digger
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jenny Death (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Vermont politician. Obituary published 26 May. Thriley (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Short but well-cited. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Indy 500
Blurb: In Indy car racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500 (Post)
Alternative blurb: In auto racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500 for the second year in a row, becoming the 6th ever driver to do so.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by TheBlueSkyClub (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Waluigithewalrus (talk · give credit) and GhostOfDanGurney (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Josef Newgarden, once again wins the Indy 500, I didn't watch the race, apparently another last lap pass? But, he gets it 2 in a row. Altblurb is for if we should mention it. User:TheBlueSkyClub (Talk) 00:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Would like to see more expansive sourcing in the "Summary" bullets, rather than just one tag at the end of the paragraph(s), but otherwise seems good to go. Good amount of prose regarding the race itself. The Kip (contribs) 05:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough, decent summary of the race and all the other preceding action, and more than good enough sourcing. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is very extensive and is in a great shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternate blurb as it seems relevant to mention he got two in a row. Tableguy28 (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There are reference gaps all over the article. Length doesn’t imply good shape.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- When you tagged the article, you added tags to sections which already have multiple references? I don't understand this oppose anymore. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- It’s a comment, not an oppose vote.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- When you tagged the article, you added tags to sections which already have multiple references? I don't understand this oppose anymore. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb - Article is tagless ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 02:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- oppose pet Kiril. Not ready yet. — Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. There are a lot of sources, but there are equally a significant amount of statements which lack them. Black Kite (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support original blurb (oppose altblurb). The article is comprehensive and has ample prose updates. Yes the referencing isn't perfect, but it more than meets ITN standards - we're not demanding Featured Article level. Seems ready to me. Modest Genius talk 11:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, we're not, but there's a whacking great paragraph ("Race Background") that is practically unsourced (as is the "Race statistics" table, but that shouldn't be too difficult). Black Kite (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's an issue with editors copying without attribution, not a WP:V issue. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 22:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Now that I'm back home, I've further trimmed some bloat and added the missing ref in the section in concern. I genuinely don't know what more you guys want. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- No, we're not, but there's a whacking great paragraph ("Race Background") that is practically unsourced (as is the "Race statistics" table, but that shouldn't be too difficult). Black Kite (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looks ready to me, the referencing issues raised above have been fixed. Tagging this nomination as such. Modest Genius talk 12:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. A couple more things need citing, but sufficient update that it's fine to post. Good work everyone. — Amakuru (talk) 12:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 IIHF World Championship
Blurb: Czechia has won 2024 IIHF World Championship that took place in Prague and Ostrava. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In ice hockey, Czechia defeats Switzerland to win the gold medal at the 2024 IIHF World Championship.
News source(s): IIHF, AP News, The Boston Globe, TSN, Forbes, Radio Prague International
Credits:
- Nominated by Martin Tauchman (talk · give credit)
Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article is substantially lacking in prose. I'll see if I can rally the troops at WikiProject Ice Hockey to improve it. The Kip (contribs) 05:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on quality and importance. Neither the main event or final articles have any substantial prose, so are way short of meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Also no evidence that this event gets enough coverage to justify inclusion on ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability I think the event is of importance but Oppose on quality as the article has very little prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability haven’t seen the article event but any international sports event is INTR imo Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is not correct. Just because countries compete, that doesn't mean the event meets ITN standards of importance for posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's the men's world championship of a major professional team sport. That in and of itself should be enough for ITNR. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Again, just because countries compete, that doesn't mean the event meets ITN standards of importance for posting. — Amakuru (talk) 22:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Currently, the only ITN/R for ice hockey is the Stanley Cup Finals. However, this raises the question of whether the IIHF World Championship should be added to ITN/R. I think that there may be compelling arguments for the IIHF World Championship to be added to ITN/R, and not just because the IIHF includes 82 countries. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's the men's world championship of a major professional team sport. That in and of itself should be enough for ITNR. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is not correct. Just because countries compete, that doesn't mean the event meets ITN standards of importance for posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I thought this event was an ITNR item, but it isn't listed there. Was it removed at some point recently? Unfortunately the article is nowhere near a postable state, it's overwhelmingly tables with very little prose. Needs substantial expansion. Modest Genius talk 15:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a quick note: an event that is not listed as INTR but falls within the field of other events on ITNR can still be considered as a normal ITNC entry, though obviously, for example, we're not going to post every regional assc. football championship. As ice hockey tends to be less frequent, I could see a normal ITNC argument here. But of course, as you point out, the article itself doesn't meet quality issues. Masem (t) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am aware of how ITNR works: just because this isn't currently on the list doesn't mean we can't post it. My question arose because I seemed to remember that the IIHF World Championship was on the ITNR list. I did some digging in the archives and discovered it was removed just last year, largely because multiple years of articles weren't of postable quality. Unfortunately that appears to be the same problem again this year. Modest Genius talk 16:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, I read your diff on your comment above and was making sure not to discourage non-ITNR entries like this. Masem (t) 16:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am aware of how ITNR works: just because this isn't currently on the list doesn't mean we can't post it. My question arose because I seemed to remember that the IIHF World Championship was on the ITNR list. I did some digging in the archives and discovered it was removed just last year, largely because multiple years of articles weren't of postable quality. Unfortunately that appears to be the same problem again this year. Modest Genius talk 16:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a quick note: an event that is not listed as INTR but falls within the field of other events on ITNR can still be considered as a normal ITNC entry, though obviously, for example, we're not going to post every regional assc. football championship. As ice hockey tends to be less frequent, I could see a normal ITNC argument here. But of course, as you point out, the article itself doesn't meet quality issues. Masem (t) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Lithuanian presidential election
Blurb: Gitanas Nausėda (pictured) is re-elected president of Lithuania. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Comprehensive enough. Bremps... 23:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major enough of an event to warrant entry. Scu ba (talk) 03:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Bearas (talk) 06:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 10:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Indian Premier League final
Blurb: In cricket, Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad to win the 2024 Indian Premier League final (player of the final Mitchell Starc pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the Indian Premier League, Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad to win the finals (player of the final Mitchell Starc pictured)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MNWiki845 (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Congrats to KKR. ITNR event. Ktin (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article text on the match is sourced solely to a scorecard. The nested tables violate MOS:ACCESS and the colour schemes of the table violates WP:COLOUR (and not enough contrast between black text and green colours). Background section also needs some more sources, and more context to explain each team's route to the final. Also bunch of WP:WEASEL words in the match summaries (thus causing an orange tag to be appropriate). Parent article is also junk with no decent text, and we shouldn't really be encouraging people to create a final article that's just slightly less junk just so they can post it here. And image in infobox is possibly not a valid fair use. All in all , way short of WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I have fixed the weasel words issue, if any. Do not agree with most of the other assertions above. Ktin (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging MNWiki845 as well. I think I have fixed the colors issues and the MOS access issues with nested tables. Good to go imo. Ktin (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Text is still sourced almost entirely to scorecards, better sources that actually verify the information in text should be used. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging MNWiki845 as well. I think I have fixed the colors issues and the MOS access issues with nested tables. Good to go imo. Ktin (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support The sourcing/tables issues seem to have been fixed, and there's a good amount of descriptive prose for a sports article. The Kip (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article look good to me but I'm not happy with both blurbs. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think this should be on the news section because this is quite an important event in the Indian Subcontinent and other parts of the world. This was also there last year, when CSK won the IPL, and it wasn't too bad. In fact, it made a few more cricket fans in the world. One thing, is that the blurbs have a lot of scope for improvement. SunnyMoon404 (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's ITN/R, so notability is assumed. The Kip (contribs) 19:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Still a few citations needed. Could do with an "Aftermath" section too, which is standard for sporting events, for reactions and suchlike. — Amakuru (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: thanks. I have fixed all the [citation needed] tags. None of the prior IPL finals (which we have posted) had aftermath sections. I have not introduced one such. e.g. 2023 2022 Ktin (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it still ought to have one, that is part of the basic structure of a sporting final article and would certainly be required for a GA run and to be considered as covering all aspects of the topic... But I guess for the "minimum" standard of ITN it's OK. Striking my oppose and you can go ahead and post as far as I'm concerned. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: thanks. I have fixed all the [citation needed] tags. None of the prior IPL finals (which we have posted) had aftermath sections. I have not introduced one such. e.g. 2023 2022 Ktin (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted — Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
May 25
RD: Albert S. Ruddy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, Los Angeles Times, CBS News, [6]
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit) and Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Canadian-American film producer. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 00:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: A duplicate nomination of this article was previously created, the nominator's cmts were:
Film/TV producer, announced on May 28. Needs sourcing work for the filmography and awards sections. Natg 19 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC) * Did some sourcing but still needs more. Natg 19 (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
. Happily888 (talk) 02:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is of high enough quality now after above ref additions for main page. It could use a few more sources, although it isn't missing too much to stop it from being posted on main page. Happily888 (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Johnny Wactor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7], [8], [9]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Created by EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit)
- Updated by EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit), SpaceGeek756 (talk · give credit), Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk · give credit), Erksahin (talk · give credit) and RuedNL2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 05:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. Article has 92 word long prose, of which nearly 45 words are about his death. Also, Filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Cannes/Palme d'Or
Blurb: Anora, directed by Sean Baker, wins the Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article needs more prose and some other work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability for now but wait until some more work is done on the page, then I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is WP:ITNR, so only consideration is article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not enough prose compared to the enormous amounts of tables. Thus, fails WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
(Attention needed) RD: Richard M. Sherman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American songwriter Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:58, 2024 May 25 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and a yellow tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work Says nothing about his Jewish heritage or the long feud with his brother. See Disney songwriters' family feud, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support no cn or orange tags remaining, article is ready. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 11:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Grayson Murray
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Sudden death of a professional golfer. Natg 19 (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Confirmed suicide. Anyway, I support posting this tragic death. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comments: Can we have a sentence with footnote(s) in the main body of the prose on the date and place of birth, please? The info is in the infobox already and should be sourced in the main prose. Thanks. Also, the boxes above the "PGA Tour career summary" section need sources. Please add more REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I added date and place of birth and place of death to the prose. It appears that Tewapack has referenced the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the additions. The tables on the results from the majors could use some sources, but it's just minor things. Posted, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I added date and place of birth and place of death to the prose. It appears that Tewapack has referenced the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Canonisation of Carlo Acutis
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Carlo Acutis is canonised by Pope Francis, becoming the first millennial saint recognised by the Catholic Church (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pope Francis recognises a second miracle attributed to Carlo Acutis and canonises him as the first millennial saint in the Catholic Church
Alternative blurb II: Pope Francis starts the canonisation process to recognise Carlo Acutis as the first millennial saint
News source(s): Reuters,
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
- Created by Slugger O'Toole (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SNUGGUMS (talk · give credit), BoldGnome (talk · give credit) and Rafaelosornio (talk · give credit)
- Comment I think we should at least wait till he is officially canonized, as far as I understand, process has just started and the ceremony will take place later. Also, have we ever posted a canonization story before? PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- We posted Pope John Paul II's in 2014. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This is notable for being the first millennial, but has Acutis actually been canonised? It does not seem like it. Looking through the archives, the canonisations of the Martyrs of Otranto and Laura Montoya (first canonisations of Francis), Francisco and Jacinta Marto, Marie-Alphonsine Danil Ghattas, and Mariam Baouardy were not posted; canonisations of Mother Theresa, John XXIII, and John Paul II were posted. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Classicwiki: I believe that the Pope just started the process by recognising the second miracle and that's why I worded ALT2 to cover that eventuality because I knew there might be a discussion about the correct wording/tense for it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'll 100% support this once it actually happens. That's what we did for John Paul II in 2014. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but wait until canonisation has occurred, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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