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RD: Michael Mosley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): itv
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- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Date found dead. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Ramoji Rao
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
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- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Need Work .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD/blurb: William Anders
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: William Anders, who took the Earthrise photograph (pictured) in 1968 dies in a plane crash aged 90 (Post)
Alternative blurb: Apollo 8 astronaut William Anders, who took the Earthrise photo (pictured), dies in a plane crash aged 90
News source(s): Fox, AP, CNN
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- Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
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Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD when ready, oppose blurb. Natg 19 (talk) 23:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there anything you think is wrong with the article? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Overall, looks fine, but did not do a full review. Natg 19 (talk) 23:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there anything you think is wrong with the article? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, Neutral blurb.
Wait for official confirmation.B3251(talk) 23:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- What counts as official? I've been waiting all week for confirmation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the time, the only publication that reported on the incident was a television station which used his aircraft to make the connection. Now that it's been confirmed by family and more widespread publication, it's good now. B3251(talk) 03:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- What counts as official? I've been waiting all week for confirmation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alternate Blurb (which mentions Apollo 8), Anders was one of the first three humans to fly to and orbit the Moon, he participated in the Apollo 8 Genesis reading and, iconically, took the Earthrise photograph. Extremely worthy of having a lead blurb with Earthrise as an image. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb One of the most notable astronauts, on the first mission which flew to the Moon, and he also took an iconic photo of Earth. The way he died is also unusual. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Altblurb added. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Article is in great shape, as I'd expect for a GA-tier article. He had a very significant and transformative career; as Randy mentioned, the Earthrise photograph itself had a lasting impact. (the fact that it's a Featured Picture is a testament to that)) On top of that, the death is unusual; it was for that reason that we blurbed the death of Kobe Bryant back in 2020. I echo that we should also use Earthrise as the photo. Nottheking (talk) 01:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb While the Earthrise photo is indeed extremely well-known, the person behind it is far from a household name, and doesn't fit the high standards of a death blurb. Although, if it is possible, it would be great to have Earthrise as our image even if he is only in RD. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)\
- Will say
only once more, again, one of the first three humans to fly to and orbit the Moon. If he is not blurb worthy then nobody is, and Wikipedia should stop publishing blurbs. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Stop posting death blurbs, you say? I'm down. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's not an "all or nothing", and many people (even in the field of astronautics) are more well-known than him. Yes, that one accomplishment is impressive, but he was not the only one on this mission, and they aren't as well-remembered as, say, Neil or Buzz. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Will say
- Support RD, neutral on blurb The article is rated Good, so it should be sufficient for posting. rawmustard (talk) 01:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural support RD; strong oppose blurb - not a serving head of state/government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You act like we can only blurb the deaths of incumbent heads of government or state, when this is fact not so. I distinctly remember we recently posted OJ Simpson's Death as well as that of Peter Higgs, in spite of neither man having been an incumbent anything at the time of their death.
- I think we certainly shouldn't have posted either of those, as neither death (as an event) had a notable impact This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The key thing to recognize here is that we routinely blurb deaths (and other events) that aren't ITN/R; that's why this has a yellow box, rather than green. An incumbent head of government dying inherently means a change of head of government, thus it's ITN/R and green. Deaths can very much be elevated to blurbing, for any reason of the deceased being "transformative" in their field, as well as the death itself being unusual/newsworthy. The former has a strong argument (if still debatable) but as for the latter, the rule does seem to be that anyone with a Wikipedia article dying in an aircraft accident (such as Ted Stevens or Kobe Bryant) is almost always blurbed, even when they're well beyond being in the spotlight. Nottheking (talk) 03:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The point (and the problem with those postings) is that neither of those ought to have been blurbed. The death should be notable as an event in and of itself, which random plane crashes are not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure how you can possibly say Kobe Bryant shouldn't have been posted. A NBA superstar who recently retired unexpectedly dying in a helicopter crash is a massive story and the way he died was undeniably a big part of why the death was so big. Death blurbs aren't just limited to heads of state or government. Jbvann05 17:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The point (and the problem with those postings) is that neither of those ought to have been blurbed. The death should be notable as an event in and of itself, which random plane crashes are not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- You act like we can only blurb the deaths of incumbent heads of government or state, when this is fact not so. I distinctly remember we recently posted OJ Simpson's Death as well as that of Peter Higgs, in spite of neither man having been an incumbent anything at the time of their death.
- Support altburb The articles are highly important for and changed the world history. ArionStar (talk) 02:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support An extremely influential person whose article is a GA and his manner of death is also noteworthy. I prefer Alt blurb. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I can support a blurb, but focusing on the Earthrise photo when he's far more recognized for a distinguished military/astronaut career overall, is inappropriate. Focus on him and the sudden death. --Masem (t) 04:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, weak oppose blurb While it is a notable person who died, the death is not notable in and of itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - RIP to one of humanity's greatest heroes. He died as he lived. But yeah, the first human to fly to the Moon (along with Lovell and Borman) is definitely notable enough for a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. I think the only astronaut we should blurb his passing is Buzz Aldrin. The others don't reach the level of notability we should demand and ITN is for. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb A notable and tragic ending for one of the few living men (only 6 left now) to have been to the Moon. The articles themselves look good. CDE34RFV (talk) 10:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Notable individual that surprisingly did not die from natural causes Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. This is what RD is for. Not every event connected to space flight needs to be in the blurb. Nigej (talk) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Not every every event connected to spaceflight...". Anders is one of the three people to first leave Earth's orbit, Earth's gravitational influence, to be captured by another astronomical bodies gravitational field, to arrive at the Moon, and to personally see the far side of the Moon. Yes, just an average spaceflight event (!???). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The event was important, as were other Apollo program milestones, and would itself have obviously been blurb-worthy, but it doesn't make every person on board worthy of a death blurb's extremely high notability bar. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Chaotic Enby, there were three persons on board, the first to go the Moon (a human race civilizational milestone of extraordinary proportion). How do all three not pass what you call an extremely high notability bar? Randy Kryn (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The mission is clearly very notable but that doesn't necessarily mean that all the people on it are so important. There's a big difference. Nigej (talk) 08:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Chaotic Enby, there were three persons on board, the first to go the Moon (a human race civilizational milestone of extraordinary proportion). How do all three not pass what you call an extremely high notability bar? Randy Kryn (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The event was important, as were other Apollo program milestones, and would itself have obviously been blurb-worthy, but it doesn't make every person on board worthy of a death blurb's extremely high notability bar. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Not every every event connected to spaceflight...". Anders is one of the three people to first leave Earth's orbit, Earth's gravitational influence, to be captured by another astronomical bodies gravitational field, to arrive at the Moon, and to personally see the far side of the Moon. Yes, just an average spaceflight event (!???). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby, they put it quite well. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose Blurb Per chaotic enby. Sharrdx (talk) 01:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Article's in good shape, one of the few people to leave low Earth orbit and his death is quite uncommon especially given his age. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb per Chaotic Enby. The Kip (contribs) 07:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb Very notable for taking that photo, article is also a GA. Quite an unusual death too, having not died of natural causes. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rose-Marie (singer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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- Nominated by Zevabelle40 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Northern Irish singer and television personality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zevabelle40 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose selected discography section do not have any sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nicholas Ball (actor)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The National
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- Nominated by Duke of New Gwynedd (talk · give credit)
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English actor known for EastEnders and Hazell. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 09:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is stub in terms of thorough details/info about his early life, career, etc. Filmography section is unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub and filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: T. D. Allman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Obit published 6 June. Thriley (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there is one cn tag and there are works that are unsourced, otherwise article is alright. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Sooners four-peat
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Blurb: The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series with the first-ever four-peat. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series for the fourth consecutive season in a row.
News source(s): ESPN, NY Times, USA Today, KFOR
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- Nominated by WeatherWriter (talk · give credit)
- Created by DetroitFan7 (talk · give credit)
The first ever four-peat in college softball history. Even the NY Times called it "historic". The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can support this (women's sports fights systemic bias) but (1) it needs a lot of prose describing what happened and why a four-peat is historic and (2) a lot of images to add interest to all the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Please keep slang/jargon such as "four-peat" out of ITN. I think I can guess what it means, but I shouldn't have to guess. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48: to note, the “four-peat” is used by all RS and is why it is notable. Google “four-peat” or “4-peat” and you see dozens of RS news articles, including those listed here. So I disagree that it should not be used in ITN, since RS uses it way more than not. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also to note, “four-peat” is an actual term in the merriam-webster dictionary. So, it is not “slang” or “jargon”. Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The Women's Softball World Cup actually takes place next month in Italy. Even that top-tier event isn't WP:ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The NCAA tournament calls itself the "World Series", probably named after MLB World Series, but is just an American collegiate tournament rather than an international professional one. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "College team wins national tournament in minor sport for 4th time". Not exactly world news. Its not in WP:ITN/R and uses slang in its proposed form. (What on earth is a "four-peat"? Certainly not a term we use here in the UK). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @The C of E: Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- For your reference, it isn’t just an US thing. Manchester City's Premier League four-peat on ESPN. I still disagree that just because it isn’t on ITN/R, doesn’t mean it can’t be listed. ITN/R is a guideline for things guaranteed to be listed. For a first-time in history event, one would think it should be listed, despite not being on ITN/R. But, I shall respect your opinion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @The C of E: Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not ITNR, not ITN-worthy, not globally relevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Congratulations to the Sooners but this is not really a major global notable event. — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sergei Novikov (mathematician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Semenov, Kirill Vladimirovich (6 June 2024). "Скончался Сергей Петрович Новиков". Moscow State University (in Russian). Retrieved 6 June 2024.
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- Updated and nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)
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The first Fields Medal recipient from the Soviet Union and a Wolf Prize recipient. — MarkH21talk 00:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears to be well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Starship successful flight test
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Blurb: SpaceX conducts a successful flight of Starship, with a landing for the Booster and Ship (Post)
Alternative blurb: SpaceX Starship successfully launches, culminating in a re-entry and ocean landing for both the Booster and Ship.
News source(s): New York Times, The Guardian
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- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Support Is this even a question? Couple very small failures, but still hugely successful, and they both landed for the first time. This was the most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade. qw3rty 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I highly recommend everyone go and watch the replay of this, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Ship the size of the Statue of Liberty plummeting through the atmosphere, green and blue plasma flying all over the feed, the craft literally melting away live but still manoeuvring for landing. Just insane. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade' no it isn't, not even close. That's Artemis 3, which will land humans on the Moon. Modest Genius talk 17:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a massive step towards that mission too PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not every SpaceX launch deserves a blurb. Even Boeing Starliner's very first crewed flight is being heavily debated below, so a test flight
into orbitfor a prototype Starship isn't really blurb-worthy. (Edit 14:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC): Not even into orbit as per below) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)- Looks like Starliner is coming to a consensus [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. This was the first actually successful flight of Starship. Very important milestone in spaceflight. Note that this was not an orbital flight though. Agile Jello (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Chaotic Enby. Not even into orbit. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Being on an orbital trajectory is a rather arbitrary requirement, especially as by all metrics Starship made it to space, just not at an orbital velocity (which wasn't the goal of the flight). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.
- This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Other nominations regarding Starship were opposed due to a failure to complete the entire test or meet some arbitrary requirement. Of course, now opposes are citing some other random arbitrary requirement to meet ITN. By all measures, this was a historic moment which may very well mark the beginning of human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Every test flight is a step towards
human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement
, this one is only one more small incremental improvement, and I don't see why it is any more historic than any other. It's not about arandom arbitrary requirement
, it's about the fact that we don't blurb test flights achieving slightly more than the previous test flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)- First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough, though I personally believe this is notable enough to be posted PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus the first successful flight and landing of a fully reusable rocket, which is a game-changer. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Every test flight is a step towards
- Oppose. Another incremental test flight, still not to orbit and still without a payload. 'Successful hard landing' is a euphemism for 'intentionally destroyed on impact'. I'm getting pretty fed up of every test being nominated. If Starship actually achieves something useful then I'll reconsider; gradually getting closer to a usable state isn't blurb-worthy. Modest Genius talk 17:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both the Booster and Ship appeared to land intact based on the telemetry (though the ship had taken damage on the flaps), I don't think we've gotten confirmation yet as to their status now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- 'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Mention of "hard landing" in nomination appears to be in error? Both vehicles performed soft touchdowns successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Starship was orbiting the earth
It was not, this was a suborbital flightNothing similar has ever been attempted in history
I remember SpaceX attempting this three times already, and claiming each time that it was the first "true" successWe just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission
And, more importantly, is Boeing Starliner's first manned flight, rather than its fourth test flight Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- So jarring that the Starliner launch is the first item and this is not even mentioned... unfortunately the topic at this point is absurdly polarised and the results are simply comical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- But it was not an orbital flight. They weren't on an orbital trajectory at any point. That's literally the definition of suborbital. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. I also get the feeling that this is an incremental improvement, which is exactly what Starship's development approach really is. This is the fourth integrated flight test in less than a year, and there's going to be a fifth one by the end of this month. I really don't see why this one warrants inclusion. When it achieves something beyond the current limits of spaceflight development, then that would be the right news to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- If IFT-5 is another flight like this, even if the full system is recovered, I would be against posting, but this is the first fully successful flight, and previous tests were shut down due to not all objectives of the mission being met.
- The booster catch, if performed successfully on IFT-5, would definitely fit ITN imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PrecariousWorlds and Kcmastrpc. Alexcalamaro (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose another week, another SpaceX launch. Starship is launching test flights so often now that it is hard to keep track (expected to have 4 more this year). So what that this one did not explode. When Starship has its first crewed launch, then we can post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Surely it's not necessary to have every space flight included here. Got to be something really out of the ordinary. Nigej (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is not just an ordinary space flight; it is the first fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft currently operational. Surely the complete success of IFT-4 deserves a brief mention in current events, as opposed to the incremental successes of the last two Starship flights. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. I'll consider supporting if/when they do a crewed launch, but this is just another incremental test. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While we'd posted IFT-1, it quickly came in retrospect to have been viewed as a mistake, and neither IFT-2 or IFT-3 were posted. This is merely an incremental test flight that doesn't mark any big turning point. The only difference being claimed is that the vehicles mostly remained intact/capable up to the point they were expected to blow up; it still had a number of "partial failures," so it doesn't even cross the bar as a 100% success, even before acknowledging that an internal test isn't exactly particularly newsworthy. ITN is not a ticker for SpaceX activities; it's a venue for news, not press releases. Nottheking (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- No, no they were not all accomplished. You can read the list we have on them here. Those yellow items indicate objects only partly completed. "All objectives completed" would mean that list would consist only of green items, with zero yellow, red, or grayed-out.
- The actual qualified statement is that, for the first time, Starship wasn't precluded from even attempting its final objectives. It's notable that it still had engine failures, and most critically, while it was mostly in one-piece on reentry, it did still suffer a heat-shield breach, that resulted in one of its maneuvering flaps burning partly through. (a decent amount of material was observed to have broken free of S28 during reentry & descent) Given that the focal objective repeatedly talked about was to avoid any burning up during reentry, this constitutes only a partial success. Nottheking (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.
- Not sure what you mean by partial success, even major news networks are hailing the flight as the first successful Starship flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would also like to point out that those are huge first accomplishments in the history of spaceflight... those are monumental steps forward in the history of spaceflight. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I believe that this fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft constructed deserves a brief mention. This story has been covered by multiple major American and international news networks and hailed as a completely successful test flight, including CNN, BBC, CBS, NSBC, etc.
- Besides, the opposers seem to be riding on a shaky precedent set by the last three Starship launches that failed. This one is a complete success, very different from the previous IFT-2 and IFT-3. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While I do agree that IFT-4 was amazing, the exact notability of the mission isn't really that much (especially compared to IFT-1). Frankly, I don't think we should be nominating Starship launches until a major milestone is achieved (such as first full reuse, first ship-to-ship prop transfer, or even first HLS demo mission). Stoplookin9 Hey there! Send me a message! 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Successful flight test and big milestone in spaceflight towards fully-reusable rockets. 2607:FEA8:E31F:D2C6:932B:262A:AD:4D20 (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, incremental improvement over the previous flight but it looks like NASA and the media consider this to be a Big F***ing Deal owing to the controlled landing of both vehicles, especially the controlled reentry and landing of the upper stage being the largest spacecraft ever re-entered (semi?)-successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- It would be pretty curious having 3 notable spaceflight-related blurbs on the front page although this shouldn't be a factor in consensus finding [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've not seen much from NASA. I've seen a lot of SpaceX asserting it's a "full success," even though it's still heavily qualified. Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3. Nottheking (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3" isn't this the same as 50% of the items we post? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. — Amakuru (talk) 06:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius and Stoplooking9 Sharrdx (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support having the Boeing Starliner launch in the news section and not this launch which is the first successful complete launch of the most powerful (and advanced) rocket ever built is crazy. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson:
“Congratulations SpaceX on Starship’s successful test flight this morning! We are another step closer to returning humanity to the Moon through Artemis—then looking onward to Mars.”
{{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight
- this is not evident. You're bludgeoning this thread with peacock terms and SpaceX boosterism, accompanied by crystal-ball claims about the Moon and Mars - but the evidence just doesn't support it. It's a decent test, don't get me wrong - but it just doesn't deserve the exaggerated hype you're heaping on it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)this is not evident
I understand that. Hence this absurd discussion exists. Unfortunately, to anyone with basic knowledge of spaceflight technology this is abundantly clear. See for example:SpaceX Starship launches on nail-biting 4th test flight of world's most powerful rocket
https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-flight-4-test-launch-success- What you call "boosterism" and "peacock terms" are actually reality. This is:
- the biggest rocket ever launched
- the most powerful rocket ever launched
- the first successful re-entry of a booster of this class
- the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
- the first successful orbital re-entry of a space vehicle of this class
- the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
- And many other firsts (more technical). This is a monumental achievement in the history of spaceflight. But sure, let's talk about Boeing Starliner. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I can't understand why in unbiased and good faith you are actively against posting this blurb about Starship. IFT-1 and IFT-4 are subjectively notable to the same degree. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson:
- Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. Not every single test needs to be posted. Seems like a recurring theme that "ooh-la-la! cool spaceship launched!" is taken into consideration here. Kline • talk • contribs 17:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Israel–Maldives relations
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders from entering the country, following the war in Gaza. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera CNN Times of Israel The President's Office Sky News
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- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Minor development in the war, and the Maldives already didn't have diplomatic relations with Israel. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose footnote to the ongoing conflict. Masem (t) 13:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 16:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Minor diplomatic move that won't make any difference to the war. Modest Genius talk 17:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good attempt but oppose per Modest Genius Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rosa (sea otter)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monterey Bay Aquarium
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- Updated and nominated by Jbvann05 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Sea otter at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Jbvann05 01:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Well sourced, decent depth of coverage (for an otter you know). Looks good to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually just missed the lack of a source for her death date in the infobox. That's been rectified. It should probably be mentioned in the article proper as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Sufficiently sourced and generally of decent article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready Still many primary YouTube sources, and several [citation needed] tags in the last two sections of the article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- All the cn tags have been removed now. Jbvann05 20:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready but I support it when it is. The "care" section has some fluff that needs removed too. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks well written and well sourced (though I would prefer fewer primary sources and social media ones). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. Marking as ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP, article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) Starliner, for real this time
Blurb: The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its maiden crewed flight, launching two astronauts to the International Space Station. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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- Nominated by Iamstillqw3rty (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Just about to enter orbit (only took 14 years). Article needs updating. qw3rty 15:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The most interesting aspect of the CNN report was that this mission is going to fix the ISS's urine recycler which is broken and so they are having to cross their legs up there. But our article says nothing about this and it's not clear that it counts as the sort of "going boldly" that we aspire to. Compared to the Chinese mission, this seems too lower deck to make the grade. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Good for Boeing I guess. This just reads as commercial news to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability Isn't this ITN/R? I believe we posted SpaceX launches in the past. This is a major milestone for the commercial crewed space program, as there is now a competitor to SpaceX. Article itself looks like may need more details. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like ITN/R had
launch of crewed orbital spaceflights
before, but it was removed. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like ITN/R had
- Support. Maiden crewed flight of a new spacecraft. Only the sixth in US history. Agile Jello (talk) 18:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per the list of crewed spacecraft, it's 9th in the US and 13th overall. Unlucky for some... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose One giant leap for Boeing's involvement in the urine recycling game, only the sixth small step in corporate American space support history. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - Until the mission concludes, but Hallelujah! It's a latter day miracle! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support. We rightly removed routine ISS crew rotations and new rocket types from ITNR, so this needs to be judged on its own merits. We posted a blurb about the first SpaceX crewed launch to the space station (Crew Dragon Demo-2), so it seems fair to also post Boeing reaching the same milestone. But that should be the only time we feature this spacecraft going to the ISS. The article is underwhelming but in good enough shape to post. I can see a case for waiting until it docks with the ISS though. Modest Genius talk 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Dragon Demo was posted in May 2020 because it was a different time with different rules on presumed importance and resistance was futile. Same reason we kept a massive box of constant COVID nearby (more or less). Nowadays, we're free! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Update: they're having difficulty docking CNN. Modest Genius talk 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Successfully docked, as of 17:41 UTC. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK. Then we should post as soon as reliable sources have reported that fact and the article has been updated. Modest Genius talk 17:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Successfully docked, as of 17:41 UTC. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The article is in decent shape and the notability and newsworthiness is high. Jusdafax (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support notable as first for spacecraft, future crewed launches of spacecraft however shouldn't be posted. Happily888 (talk) 04:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support as Boeing's first crewed launch, but future launches shouldn't be posted even if they do incrementally better. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support notable due to being maiden flight of a spacecraft carrying crew, has happened on the order of 20 or so times in human history [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: NASA reports that the spacecraft has docked to the ISS so we may want to consider whether to include that in the blurb or not [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support per Chaotic Enby. The Kip (contribs) 18:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support This marks the first crewed orbital spaceflight operated by a new entity, which brings the world's total to 5. (after the USSR/Russia, USA, China, and SpaceX) To be honest this is the level of something that should have its own ITN/R criteria, but space ITN/R has been... Slashed down very heavily over the years. This has been covered extensively in the news across its entire campaign to reach launch across the prior month, and is most certainly a major event that changes the landscape of human spaceflight. This is a major historical milestone for the subject.
- Worth noting that this is ITN-worthy specifically for being the first such flight by Boeing; routine crewed flights (they're on contract to provide NASA with six more) aren't inherently newsworthy, the same as applies with routine Crew Dragon or Soyuz launches; we get a few of each for each year. However, the first by an entity is newsworthy, and (while this isn't the proper venue) is something that is a glaring absence from the ITN/R criteria. After all, as it stands India's upcoming first crewed Gaganyaan flight (on track for next year) would, in fact, not be ITN/R, as bewildering as that sounds. So that's a clear indicator that right now, there's a huge gap for spaceflights in ITN that aren't ITN/R. Nottheking (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support now that they have successfully docked. --Carnildo (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support for notability and reliable sourcing -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pull per Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs).wound theology◈ 19:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: having this up while not mentioning Starship's launch on the same day looks ridiculous. The contrast in coverage is jarring especially since many have obviously compared the two launches (since the two companies are competitors) [1]. At this point we should probably remove this as well. It looks like a paid ad for Boeing. Either mention the two (even together) or remove both. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aye. As I repeated summarily while closing the other Starbird, it was only a test. This Starcraft is "for real". A test can still be posted if consensus develops, of course. Likewise, "the real thing" can just as easily fail. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Blackman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Australian TV and radio personality HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for sources. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Noticeable lack of sources in entire sections and overabundance of CN tags. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a large number of cn atgs and multiple orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Asmatullah
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BOL News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose So stubby that the subject's full name and age are not given. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Mononymic names are not that uncommon in Indic languages. Curbon7 (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the page is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ditto InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Blurb: In India, the Bharatiya Janata Party led by Narendra Modi loses its parliamentary majority in the Lok Sabha elections, but it still has a path to form a government with its allies in the National Democratic Alliance. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the Indian general election, the Bharatiya Janata Party (leader Narendra Modi pictured) wins the most seats but loses its majority in the lower house of parliament
Alternative blurb II: In the Indian general election, Prime Minister Narendra Modi (pictured) is reelected for a third term with support from coalition parties, after his ruling Bharatiya Janata Party fails to secure a majority on its own.
Alternative blurb III: After the Indian general election, the Bharatiya Janata Party loses 63 Lok Sabha seats and its majority while the opposition Indian National Congress wins 47.
Alternative blurb IV: In the Indian general election , the National Democratic Alliance led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi is reelected with a reduced majority.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by Tube of Light (talk · give credit)
- Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
I couldn't figure out how to phrase the blurb in a brief way (I think the fact that the BJP lost its own majority but still has a path to form a government via alliance is significant), someone else will have to do it. Tube·of·Light 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready. Although final results were scheduled for today, it seems counting still hasn't been concluded. We can't post this until the final results are in, and the article has been updated with them. The article also needs to have at least a full paragraph of referenced prose describing the outcome, which is currently missing. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some summary results have now started to appear, but the detailed results table is still incomplete. Modest Genius talk 12:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The results table is still incomplete. Is this a problem with updating the article, or is counting still going on? Modest Genius talk 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Counting ended two days ago, I have no idea what is going on with that article (and I also don't have the time to complete that on my own). Tube·of·Light 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- The results table is still incomplete. Is this a problem with updating the article, or is counting still going on? Modest Genius talk 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some summary results have now started to appear, but the detailed results table is still incomplete. Modest Genius talk 12:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait if the whole idea is about a possibly alliance wait Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb pending final results This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb #1 or #2, but agree that the election article is not ready for the feature. The article needs its result table to be filled in, which is not possible until the count is complete. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support AltBlurb 2 Suggested Alt Blurb 2 for clarity, the first Altblurb loses the significance that is referenced ITN about Modi needing coalition support to get re-elected. Article needs work though Schwinnspeed (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral on Alt3 I added it because this parliamentary majority business seems like a numbers game, first and foremost, but don't like the way the article looks. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is very much so a numbers game, and you're right to point out the INC gains. But Alt3 feels like we're missing the forest for the trees. The significance here is Modi was reelected, but had to rely on coalition support, because the BJP lost its majority and 63 seats (this is along the lines of every major news headline) I fear the dynamics and implications of the Lok Sabha numbers game will be lost on the majority of people looking at the main page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I figured since the other three options already made Modi the star, shifting to party politics was the "alt" thing to do. And I did say it lost its majority, which more than implies it's now running a minority government. A lot of things will always be lost on a lot of people from a blurb alone, I think, just naturally. A decent one is barely longer than a headline, if that. But yeah, I don't care if Alt3's chosen or not. Just "putting it out there". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is very much so a numbers game, and you're right to point out the INC gains. But Alt3 feels like we're missing the forest for the trees. The significance here is Modi was reelected, but had to rely on coalition support, because the BJP lost its majority and 63 seats (this is along the lines of every major news headline) I fear the dynamics and implications of the Lok Sabha numbers game will be lost on the majority of people looking at the main page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the Prime Minister is sworn in This may happen as soon as this week as per the news reports. ITN candidate
- The results of the election are WP:ITNR, not the swearing-in. Tube·of·Light 11:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment on alt4 I have written the alt to mention NDA and to make the blurb concise. This could also be used later on when newer ITNs are published. DogeChungus (talk) 14:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt2 as the most neutral, as it explains how Modi is still reelected but needs a coalition as the BJP doesn't have a majority by itself anymore. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt1: confirming the prime ministership is a formality but it hasn't occurred yet, whereas the parliamentary majority has been confirmed. Also support posting now rather than at the swearing in. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALT1 per above. The Kip (contribs) 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 as Modi's alliance has formally elected him. Like others have said, we do not need to wait for the new term to actually begin (scheduled sometime Sunday night). rawmustard (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 - by far the clearest and most balanced expression of what's happened in this unquestionably headline-worthy event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt2 most accurate headline and article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt4 It's the most formal & Least Disrespectful. Maheep Singh24 (talk) 05:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- There's no guideline saying we have to respect politicians, neutrality and respecting politicians' feelings are not the same. The fact that the BJP lost its majority and will need a coalition is important enough to be explicitly mentioned in my opinion. Tube·of·Light 17:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt4 It's the most formal & Least Disrespectful. Maheep Singh24 (talk) 05:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2: Suitable to post this today because of the oath taking ceremony of the prime minister.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E2:200D:C4D0:BC96:A24F:CCED:2CBA (talk)
- Support Alt blurb 4: Should've been posted earlier, but today's the swearing-in so nvm. Alt 4 reads the most appealing for the simplicity wrt international audience's pov. — hako9 (talk) 01:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: William Russell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Article updated
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Comment Actor best known as Ian Chesterton in the first couple seasons of Doctor Who, and later came back 57 years after leaving for a cameo that later led to a World Record. But he also appeared in many other tv shows of the era. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I watched him back in the day. But the name is quite common and so it won't work well at RD. Tsk. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it might be worth doing like what's been done with ongoing with maybe putting William Russell (Ian Chesterton) or English Actor instead of (Ian Chesterton). TheCorriynial (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't remember him at all, but the parenthetical in his title strongly suggests he's not the William Russell, so no blurb (regardless of whether he was 99). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because the important thing is to keep the readers in the dark, right? Looking at RD currently, we have a serial killer, a hooker, Obama's mother-in-law, a mercenary colonel and some basketball players. But who's who? You can't tell any of that from just a list of names. It's useless. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is business as usual, you've seen it. For those who want light and timeliness, the important thing is Deaths in 2024. Here, we have space restraints and a quality bar holding things back. "Wiiliam Russell" fits, but an extra "(English actor)", "(Ian Chesterton)" or "(Sir Lancelot)" does not. Barwise, even the William Russell can't shine through multiple unsourced paragraphs. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because the important thing is to keep the readers in the dark, right? Looking at RD currently, we have a serial killer, a hooker, Obama's mother-in-law, a mercenary colonel and some basketball players. But who's who? You can't tell any of that from just a list of names. It's useless. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose His filmography section is entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
*Support. Article looks in decent enough shape, a very long acting career, most notably as a character from the very beginning of a certain long-running TV show. Challenger l (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Withdrawn. Challenger l (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: "There's more than one William Russell" doesn't seem a valid reason for not including him. There are plenty of occasions when I've looked at the box and gone "Who's dead?!" only to click on the link and find it's someone else with the same name that I've never heard of. As noted in the box above, the policy is that anyone prominent enough to have an article on Wikipedia is notable enough to be included. The only issue should be the quality of the article. Skteosk (talk) 19:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I really don't understand why we wouldn't. He's got a decent article, and that's that. We usually don't include disambiguation brackets in the RD text of people's names - we just pipelink to the correct article, and I don't think that needs to be any different here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Filmography is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Janisa Johnson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GMA News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Created by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American volleyball player. Died 25 May but announced publicly on 4 June. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Awards section is unsourced and lead is too short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Sri Lanka floods
Blurb: At least 16 people have died and more than 12,000 houses have been destroyed by floods in Sri Lanka. (Post)
News source(s): France 24, BBC, AP, EFE, Independent, ABC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Ainty Painty (talk) 02:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article's extremely short. Wait on notability - it certainly looks like it might meet the scale for a blurb, but it's a developing story. The Kip (contribs) 03:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose — Weather events with more deaths and injuries have not been posted. Single country notability. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is not blurbworthy. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Prince Ahmad Shah Khan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Persian
Credits:
- Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)
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Titular head of the Barakzai dynasty and son of the last king of Afghanistan Mohammad Zahir Shah. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 20:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has orange tag. Needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub and has orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
June 3
June 3, 2024
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
Disasters and accidents
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RD: Jürgen Moltmann
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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One of the leading Christian theologians.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support All sections seem to be well-sourced.Filmman3000 (talk) 04:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Brother Marquis
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Filmman3000 (talk · give credit)
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American Rapper Filmman3000 (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support All sections seem to be well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Lead is a bit too long, but article looks good overall. Three cn tags shouldn't keep the article from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. At first, I was really saddened, mistakenly thinking Biz Markie had died, but then I realized this is a different rapper, but then I discovered Biz Markie died three years ago. Hyperbolick (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose accolades section needs sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Five {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PFHLai, @TDKR Chicago 101 and @PrinceofPunjab I have sourced the accolade section as well as other citations missing. Hope you find it satisfactory. Thank you. Filmman3000 (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Brigitte Bierlein
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by AtlanteanAstorian (talk · give credit)
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Former Austrian chancellor Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Weak oppose There's five cn tags. Otherwise, article looks ready once they're resolved.Support One cn tag shouldn't keep the article from getting posted IMO. I think her chancellor section is expanded to the best it can given her short tenure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is work to be done: the cn tags need to be fixed and the content relating to her, albeit short, tenure as Chancellor should be expanded. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is indeed ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Colin Gibb
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by J97736 (talk · give credit)
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Black Lace band singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Large sections of career section are unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
June 2
June 2, 2024
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
International relations
Law and crime
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Science and technology
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RD: Jeannette Charles
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:61BB:8258:CB1:D733 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit) and EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit)
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Likely well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:61BB:8258:CB1:D733 (talk) 05:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article has an orange tag as filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Dick Sears (politician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VT Digger
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Thriley (talk) 12:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a stub, needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Article is too short and only two sources given, both of which are obituaries. Needs significant expansion on his career in the the Vermont Senate as well as expansion and sourcing on his early life and career. Jmanlucas (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Janis Paige
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:BE:C460:CCA2:CE59 (talk · give credit)
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American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:BE:C460:CCA2:CE59 (talk) 05:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose some cn tags and one orange tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Larry Allen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo sports
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is woefully lacking in citations - nearly the entire playing career section is unsourced. The Kip (contribs) 18:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is EXTREMELY under sourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Carl Cain
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KCRG
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Adequate length and fully sourced, marking as ready. The Kip (contribs) 18:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 19:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: David Levy (Israeli politician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Israeli Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose at this time. The article seems well written but theres a lot of unsourced paragraphs in there @Pharaoh of the Wizards:. If they can be cited, i'm happy to change my !vote. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Mexico election
Blurb: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as president of Mexico. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as the first female president of Mexico.
Alternative blurb III: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as the first female and Jewish president of Mexico.
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Important election. Media outlets in Mexico are already projecting that Sheinbaum won, but votes are still being counted. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Sheinbaum article is in no fit state to be a bolded article. Three orange tags and five citation needed tags will have to be addressed first. Schwede66 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Wait Wait until it's been officially projected that she has been elected.Support Also worth mentioning in the blurb that she'll be Mexico's first female president. It appears the election has been called for Sheinbaum per NYT. The general election article looks good in terms of sourcing. Not sure if Sheinbaum's article needs to be a target article as well. I recall nominating Guillermo Lasso's election but the 2021 Ecuadorian general election was suggested as the targeted article. Not sure if things changed then. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support for notability but wait until the election results are fully in. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 11:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait until all the votes have been counted. I also support featuring her picture in the "In the news" box, replacing Trump's. 2601:280:5C01:B7E0:9C1D:96E3:DEC9:8217 (talk) 13:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support and wait per others. - Sebbog13 (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternative blurb, it's a significant election and her being the first female president is notable. Lunsel (talk) 15:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb, high profile country election and it's notable shes the first woman in office in Mexico. Sharrdx (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Claudia_Sheinbaum_2022_%28cropped%29.jpg/100px-Claudia_Sheinbaum_2022_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Wait Absolutely nothing official yet (silence from the INE is odd and the others haven't conceded). Use the time to find a better photo and fix the orange tags (no {{cn}}s left). Moscow Mule (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)- Support the 2024 Mexican general election for notability. Sheinbaum's article needs to be reworked to be bolded. This is the first time a puppet president has been elected since Emilio Portes Gil, and Mexico is descending into a condition of democratic decay, with Sheinbaum herself promising to overhaul the election and legal systems. Her gender is not relevant enough to be described in the blurb beyond the standard reports. She is also the first person of Jewish origin to be elected, the first atheist, and the first person to indirectly earn a Nobel Prize, although these achievements are not highlighted. (CC) Tbhotch™ 05:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder that Wikipedia is not a forum, nor a soapbox. The Kip (contribs) 18:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- No opinion as to the article quality, but all the major Anglophone news organizations like AP, Reuters, and NYTimes have called the election for Sheinbaum. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 07:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Is it worth also adding mention of the SHH alliance getting a supermajority if it occurs? A political alliance becoming powerful enough to unilaterally amend a national consitution must surely be big news if it happens. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very significant Arbeiten8 (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Results and reaction sections would benefit from some expansion, they are really short. --Tone 13:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Notability is significant enough that the election at least needs to be here, and the content is filling in. We can potentially wait to bold Sheinbaum until more is filled in re: her platform and campaign. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Now it's cleaned up a bit more -- both articles expanded, Sheinbaum's tags taken care of, over 95% reporting and official sources announcing her the winner of the quick count -- so it feels appropriate to tag both articles quality-wise. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Very notable and significant election, and the first female Mexican president. As others have said due to the problems with the Sheinbaum article I would wait to bold it for now. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- No Identity Politics, please (we're universal). Some things about people are just clear by their names and photos. The important thing is another election was won. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The reason we mention her being female is because she is the first in Mexico's history. Same way we would use a first male head of state. Sharrdx (talk) 00:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I get how "firsts" work, I just think they're overplayed. And no, it doesn't work for (most kinds of) men. The last "real" state to get its first male leader was South Sudan, and we didn't summarize, picture, link, embolden or mention the man (just the system). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I reckon it's most significant that she is an engineer and climate scientist. Politically, she seems very much the protegé of the incumbent Obrador. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- South Sudan's first male leader was its first (independent) leader period. And that is the case for most if not all of the world. If after decades if not centuries of female leaders, a male took office, we would mention his status as the first male to hold the office just the same. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, in theory, I hear you. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I get how "firsts" work, I just think they're overplayed. And no, it doesn't work for (most kinds of) men. The last "real" state to get its first male leader was South Sudan, and we didn't summarize, picture, link, embolden or mention the man (just the system). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- The reason we mention her being female is because she is the first in Mexico's history. Same way we would use a first male head of state. Sharrdx (talk) 00:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support as election article is good to go. I'd wait to bold Sheinbaum however, as there's multiple orange tags. The Kip (contribs) 18:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Sheinbaum's article does not need to be bolded, as long as it is bolded a good article like the one on the elections. Let's wait for 100% of the vote count, but the election article is practically ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt3; received less attention then her being a her, but still received significant attention and worth mentioning. BilledMammal (talk) 01:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does it still count if she tells you she was raised by atheists, as an atheist, and "never belonged to the Jewish community"? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes; it’s an ethnicity. It’s like saying "first Hispanic president". BilledMammal (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose that's technically true, and there's also a political element. But I don't think I'm the only one who infers the religious and cultural parts first when reading "Jewish president". If she's not politically Jewish and some point must be made about something decided before her parents were born, I suggest adding "ethnically" before "Jewish"; I still won't support it, but it'd make more sense. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes; it’s an ethnicity. It’s like saying "first Hispanic president". BilledMammal (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- From The New York Times, she
has downplayed her ties to Judaism, her origins have not gone entirely unnoticed, revealing currents of xenophobia and antisemitism persisting beneath the surface in Mexican politics.
[2] —Bagumba (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does it still count if she tells you she was raised by atheists, as an atheist, and "never belonged to the Jewish community"? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
OpposeFour citation needed tags. 2024 Mexican general election § Results needs at least some analysis and perspective of the results. (The non-presidential results are still outstanding, though I suppose that part is not being blurbed.)—Bagumba (talk) 05:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- Since resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work The lead says that there were hundreds of seats being contested for the Chamber of Deputies and Senate. There's a confusing issue about re-election which I don't quite follow. And no results for these elections are reported. Nada. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Re-election": confusing and wrong; gone now. "Legislature": still true. Moscow Mule (talk) 07:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The 2022 blurb on Giorgia Meloni becoming Italy's PM didn't mention that she was also the first woman.—Bagumba (talk) 09:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Cleaned up Sheinbaum's last few tags. Preference for alt or alt3. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 16:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looking good on my end. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support main blurb. Oppose alt blurbs; don't add personal bio bits. Support removing superfluous "as"; keep it simple: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected president of Mexico. — AjaxSmack 21:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not that there's "anything wrong with" President of the United Mexican States, of course, but yes, Support Seven Words. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support
AltBlurb Being the first femaleis what makes it notable, andis in line with how WP:RS are referencing this event. However if we didn't call this out previously for the Italian election result as @Bagumba noted above, then the same should apply here. Schwinnspeed (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- Fair enough on the second point, matter of perspective, but every general election is automatically notable on this site and every notable election article is presumed fit to post in bold letters by these local pagemasters (unless the people choose otherwise). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree and have revised my vote after taking a closer look at some of the previous comments. I recognize all general elections are notable per WP:ITNELECTIONS and her being a female should not be the basis for posting. I still maintain that Mexico voting in their first female president is pretty significant, but I will reserve the subjectivity for elsewhere. Cheers to the ITNocracy. Schwinnspeed (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cheers. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree and have revised my vote after taking a closer look at some of the previous comments. I recognize all general elections are notable per WP:ITNELECTIONS and her being a female should not be the basis for posting. I still maintain that Mexico voting in their first female president is pretty significant, but I will reserve the subjectivity for elsewhere. Cheers to the ITNocracy. Schwinnspeed (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough on the second point, matter of perspective, but every general election is automatically notable on this site and every notable election article is presumed fit to post in bold letters by these local pagemasters (unless the people choose otherwise). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb - ITN/R. Also important to note the election of the first female Mexican president as such.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. The legislative results don't appear to be in yet, and I've expanded the sections on that a bit. Otherwise I think all. Issues were dealt with. I've Stuck with a simple blurb (ALT0) without editorialising about first woman or first Jewish person or anything, as is standard practice for elections. — Amakuru (talk) 09:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still think "as the" overcomplicates things, but yeah, better some wordiness than a hot-button issue. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Burnside
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Scottish award-winning writer Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Mostly Support The ending kind of trails off into scattered short sentences, each beginning (all somewhat chanting) "Burnside", but I've never seen that stop something before and can be dealt with in its own good time, probably; he was 69. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange-tagged sections for sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 05:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have now finished going through those two sections of awards and publications and have checked them and individually referenced them, so have now removed those tags. Drchriswilliams (talk) 08:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Rob Burrow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by AirshipJungleman29 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by AutisticAndrew (talk · give credit) and Black Kite (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support No problems, well sourced. Black Kite (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fully cited, well written and ready to go for this rugby league great. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 18:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 20:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- And when I tag the date of birth being unreferenced, J Mo 101 keeps reverting that edit. Without an inline citation for it, I won't promote it. Schwede66 21:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Place of birth is also unsourced. --PFHLai (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref added. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 01:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ref added. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 Icelandic presidential election
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Halla Tómasdóttir (pictured) is elected president of Iceland. (Post)
News source(s): RUV
Credits:
- Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
- Oppose on quality. ITN/R is given, so I support this in principle, but Halla's article is still pretty much a stub, and the election article still lacks both context and aftermath. Once it all is ready, I'm more than happy to support it. CDE34RFV (talk) 09:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- We might as well close this now. Even though we at least posted Guðni winning in 2016, there's no progress in both Halla's article as well as the election article itself. And since we've got the results from more significant elections in Mexico and India, coupled with the European Parliament this weekend, the election in Iceland really seems like a sideshow, further exacerbated by the fact that this rather insignificant election has taken place over half a week ago. CDE34RFV (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Halla's article is extremely short and election article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality per PrinceofPunjab. One target's a stub and the other is almost bare of prose. The Kip (contribs) 20:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment -- this is not ITNR, no? Not head of the executive. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose -- since it's not ITNR and the President of Iceland has no actual power, I oppose posting this. --RockstoneSend me a message! 09:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Battle of El Fasher
Blurb: Clashes in Al-Fashir kill over 100 people and injure more than a hundred, while a hospital is subsequently bombed by the Sudanese Armed Forces in Kutum as a result of the battle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Clashes in Al-Fashir, Sudan, kill over 100 people and injure more than a hundred, while a hospital is subsequently bombed by the Sudanese Armed Forces in Kutum as a result of the battle.
News source(s): (Sudan Tribune) (Dabanga Sudan) (Sudan Tribune) (Channel 4) (BBC)
Credits:
- Nominated by Vamos Palmeiras (talk · give credit)
Article updated
(talk) 02:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added altblurb mentioning the country. Most readers wouldn't know what country this was relevant to if the original blurb were used. Tube·of·Light 05:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Event is notable and has enough info and sources. NuestroBrasil (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, already covered by ongoing Sudanese civil war and its timeline. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, as it seems quite a notable moment in the ongoing civil war as a whole. I'll note, though, that the article I've just cited should be added to the blurb for further clarity, if we do publish it... Oltrepier (talk) 14:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support we posted massacres in Israel before (i think at least) so why not Sudan? Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're probably thinking of the October 7 one, which came right before the war (so not yet "covered by ongoing"). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- They probably think that one. Also not to forget that we also nominated and posted the Geneina massacre. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- If I recall, the deaths in that one were based on more than the say-so of a radio caller, as the Kutum Hospital airstrike (currently) is. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- True. The Geneina massacre was caused by the Battle of Geneina itself and killed between 10 to 20,000 people. Not to forget that the blurb about El Fasher and the full nomination is talking about the ongoing offensive on the city and how it is affecting thousands of people. Furtherly, I think if this nomination does in fact get posted that we should expand the Kutum Hospital airstrike article. But for now let's keep it the way it currently is. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- The part about the recent offensive talks about how it killed eleven people and wounded 42. I'm not seeing enough updated detail on these thousands of others (or anything at all about 2024 in the lead). Of course, there remain thousands who have been and are affected in myriad ways this whole time (including in El Fasher), but that much remains conveyed by the Ongoing item, I think. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- True. The Geneina massacre was caused by the Battle of Geneina itself and killed between 10 to 20,000 people. Not to forget that the blurb about El Fasher and the full nomination is talking about the ongoing offensive on the city and how it is affecting thousands of people. Furtherly, I think if this nomination does in fact get posted that we should expand the Kutum Hospital airstrike article. But for now let's keep it the way it currently is. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- If I recall, the deaths in that one were based on more than the say-so of a radio caller, as the Kutum Hospital airstrike (currently) is. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- They probably think that one. Also not to forget that we also nominated and posted the Geneina massacre. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're probably thinking of the October 7 one, which came right before the war (so not yet "covered by ongoing"). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Battle is covered by ongoing, and the sourcing for the hospital airstrike is shaky anyways. The article is also in no shape to post. The Kip (contribs) 19:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Chang'e 6 landing
Blurb: The CNSA Chang'e 6 sample return mission touches down on the far side of the Moon. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, Reuters, News, Xinhua
Credits:
- Nominated by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
- Created by Scruce (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit), Randy Kryn (talk · give credit) and Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Article mentions landing but needs work. Prior nomination of Chang'e 6 to ITN consensus was to wait until landing. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but article needs some work. Mission profile section is a bit small and needs to be expanded. PrinceofPunjabTALK 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability Obviously, the article needs some work which would help explain this event a bit more. Overall a great event to display on 'In the news'. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 02:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I was wondering how they knew that the landing was successful and the article explains that the Queqiao-2 relay satellite has been pre-positioned to maintain comms. So, the article is quite informative and and useful. As it's ITN/R, we don't need notability votes. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support though would like to see more expansion of the article to match what we usually see on NASA or ESA missions. There was general consensus when the launch was nominated to wait until it reached the moon (and potentially on a successful return); that's this point. --Masem (t) 14:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 19:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Post-posting oppose for now The “Overview” section doesn’t have enough references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- Kudos to Stephen for noticing that the mission has moved on and that, with sampling completed, the ascender stage has already taken off. The effect was that we only reported the landing for just five minutes but now we're up-to-date.
There's an interesting detail that the sample hole was left in the shape of the character zhong (中) and so China has engraved its initial on the surface of the Moon. As this pictogram is based on a flagpole, this is literally symbolic. We should see if there's a free picture of this or other shots from the surface. Here's a video to start...
Andrew🐉(talk) 06:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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