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Núria Llansà ... that despite being Barcelona's starting goalkeeper for 1972, Núria Llansà (pictured) played one match as right-back? ... that the Lichfield War Memorial includes a life-size depiction of Saint George and a slain dragon? ... that the current flag of Falcón, a state of Venezuela, was first hoisted at the Monument to the Venezuelan Federation in 2006 and is based on the design of the 1806 naval flag of Francisco de Miranda? ... that Abraham Hamadeh lost one of the closest elections in Arizona history by 280 votes, and has filed multiple lawsuits challenging the results? ... that during the Second World War the British government transmitted German music to Nazi U-boats? ... that photographer Charles Biasiny-Rivera and fellow members of the artistic collective En Foco drove around New York City in his Volkswagen Bus putting on art exhibitions in Latino neighborhoods? ... that sculptor Moelwyn Merchant described his 1982 piece Growing Form as resembling "a tulip bud with the front leaf pulled out"? ... that the music video for "It's OK I'm OK" was edited to make its singer appear naked? ... that hot-dog vendor Dan Rossi has slept inside his cart overnight to preserve his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on November 7

• ...that in 2005, Shannon Sohn became the first helicopter news reporter to win a national Emmy Award, which she won for her coverage of the crash of the helicopter of a rival TV station? -- (same last name, but no relation) new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that the football rivalry between ASV Herzogenaurach and FC Herzogenaurach hailed from the rivalry between the clubs sponsors, two local Herzogenaurach companies, Adidas and Puma? self-nom, new article EA210269 (talk) 10:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Confederate Memorial in Fulton, Kentucky is the only one in the state with a statue atop an arch? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 06:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• The source statement "The arched base, constructed from rough-hewn limestone, is unique among Kentucky memorials. The zinc statue it supports is typical of stock soldier figures: wearing a uniform with slouch hat and holding a rifle down in front. The soldier also wears a bedroll and canteen."[1] does not seem to say why the arched base is unique. -- Suntag ☼ 15:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• I backed the quote up with the NRHP Nomination form, that is the opnly such monument in Kentucky.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that only nine goaltenders have scored a goal in an NHL game? -- new article self-nom by Maxim_(talk) 03:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 03:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• Perhaps: ... that only nine goaltenders have scored a goal in a National Hockey League game? (for all those living outside North America) —97198 (talk) 09:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that hardly anyone in France knew the shape of their country until the Tour de France began publishing maps of its route? (self-nom) Les woodland (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

No qualifying article. —97198 (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The BankWest Tower in Perth, Western Australia

• ...that when completed in 1988, the 52-storey BankWest Tower in Perth, Western Australia (pictured) was the eighth tallest concrete skyscraper in the world? -- de-stubbed (5x) article, self-nom by Mark 16:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6

• ... that David G. Booth gave $300 million - the largest ever gift to a business school - to his alma mater, now renamed the University of Chicago Booth School of Business? Self nom -- Smallbones (talk) 15:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Foggerty's Fairy (1881) by W. S. Gilbert included a plot device that anticipates modern fantasy and science fiction stories like Back to the Future? Self nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  • New article created by Jack1956 (talk · contribs), expanded by Ssilvers (talk · contribs). --Bruce1ee^talk 08:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that actor Nate Parker was an All-American wrestler in both high school and college.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• I count 1,365 characthers and at least 1,500 are needed. -- Suntag ☼ 15:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that hardly anyone in France knew the shape of their country until the Tour de France began publishing maps of its route? (self-nom) Les woodland (talk) 05:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)les woodland

No qualifying article. Also, nom duplicated under "Articles created/expanded on November 7" above. -- Suntag ☼ 15:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ranulf le Meschin ruled Cumbria before becoming Earl of Chester in 1120? (self-nom) Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 04:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• The only thing in the article I could find about Cumbria is "Ranulf's accession may have involved him giving up many of his other lands, including much of his wife's Lincolnshire lands and his land in Cumbria, though direct evidence for this beyond convenient timing is lacking." -- Suntag ☼ 15:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• There is a whole section devoted to his rule of Cumbria before becoming earl of Chester. You are right though that, contrary to what many often say, there is little evidence that he had to give up rule of Cumbria for Chester (may have happened later). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 17:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Grace Church

• ... that Grace Church (pictured) is the only remaining structure from the once-thriving town of Ca Ira, Virginia? (self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• The source says "is one of the only remaining buildings of Ca Ira." -- Suntag ☼ 15:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Richard Rompala increased Valspar's overseas revenues from 3% to almost 30% in his decade-long tenure? new-article self-nom —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 01:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• The press release[2] says "In the mid-1990s Valspar began an aggressive international expansion, which over the following ten years increased its overseas sales from 3 percent to more than 30 percent of overall sales." Also, the DYK hook should be source to a secondary source that is independent of the article's topics. -- Suntag ☼ 16:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in November 1864 Camp Nelson's Union soldiers forced 400 ex-slaves outside its shelter, resulting in 102 exposure deaths? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Lenght and date verified. The reference seems to say 102 deaths, not 103.[3] -- Suntag ☼ 01:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks. Corrected.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 01:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Lenght date, and reference verified. -- Suntag ☼ 15:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Nausicaä, the main character from the Hayao Miyazaki manga and film, is based on Nausicaa from the Odyssey and "The Princess Who Loved Insects", a Japanese folk hero? -- new article by Malkinann; Nom by ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 23:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• WOW! a magna fictional character article that actually uses independent secondary sources and lacks the usual copyvio fair use gallery. Now that is a sight to see. Thanks for renewing my faith. -- Suntag ☼ 16:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
• Lenght date, and reference verified. -- Suntag ☼ 16:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Commission on Social Welfare, from 1983 to 1986, reviewed social welfare in Ireland? new article, self-nom Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 22:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. Was pretty easy to review since the first sentence was used as the hook. – RyanCross (talk) 02:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that American Joe Lutz became the first foreigner to manage a team in Japanese professional baseball when he was selected to manage the Hiroshima Carp in 1975? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 22:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Lenght date, and reference verified. Thanks for adding the DYK hook verifying quote in footnote 5. That made things much easier. -- Suntag ☼ 16:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Soviet defector Boris Bazhanov became the only assistant at Joseph Stalin's secretariat to ever turn against the Soviet regime? -- new article self-nom by -- Suntag ☼ 22:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • chg'd turned -> turn. Alansohn (talk) 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that dispatchers of some taxicabs use software by Jack Dorsey (pictured), the creator of Twitter? - new article, self nom -SusanLesch (talk) 21:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Lenght date, and reference ("He was in St. Louis and there was no bike messengers there, but he was obsessed with this, so he wrote open source software for dispatching, which to this day is used by many different taxi cab companies.") verified. The facts that Dorsey wrote the taxi software at 14 and that the taxi software was Dorsey's inspiration for the twitter software would enhance the DYK hook. for the image. The image source links to Creative Commons 2.0 license. However, if that is all Wikipedia needs to confirm free use (I am unsure of this and the Wikipedia image page is tagged with "Flickr review needed"), then good to go for the Main Page. -- Suntag ☼ 16:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Captain Charles Cunningham (pictured) struck a decisive blow against the mutineers at the Nore when he sailed his ship to Sheerness? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the successful escape from the multi-ship mutiny at the Nore by Royal Navy Captain Charles Cunningham (pictured) in 1797 lead to that mutiny's failure? -- Suntag ☼ 16:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that BOHICA is an acronym that means "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again"? -- new article self-nom by Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• I don't like the referencing. Could you use something like {{cite web}} instead? – RyanCross (talk) 02:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Done. :) Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 06:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, in 784, due to wars and famine in the capital Chang'an region, Emperor Dezong of Tang sent the official Liu Zi to Nanchang to conduct imperial examinations for examinees from southern China? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 17:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length and date accepted, hook accepted from the referenced article content. -- Suntag ☼ 17:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the small town of Almoloya del Río (pop. 7,992) in central Mexico hosts an international biker rally every year? -- new article, self-nom by Thelmadatter (talk) 16:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the German football club TSV Gerbrunn, despite losing the 2003 Bavarian Cup final by a record 0–14, still advanced to the 2003-04 German Cup, where it again lost 0–14 and was knocked-out? -- new article, self-nom by EA210269 (talk) 11:49, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ropar Wetland, (pictured) has ecological diversity with at least 9 mammal, 154 bird (migratory and local), 35 fish, 9 arthropod, 11 rotifer, 9 crustacean and 10 protozoan species?--Nvvchar (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Nepenthes northiana

• ... that Victorian plant collector, Charles Curtis, who first introduced the pitcher plant, Nepenthes northiana (pictured), to England, went on to become the first superintendent of the Penang Botanic Gardens? -- new articles, self-nom by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• The Charles Curtis article sentence "Unfortunately, the first consignment of plants collected was lost due to the treachery of a native servant ..." appears to be copied from orchids.co.in. -- Suntag ☼ 17:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when cellist George Sopkin auditioned for the Chicago Symphony Orchestra at age 18, conductor Frederick Stock looked at him and remarked "so we're taking Boy Scouts now?" -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 05:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook, and refs all good. That is a funny hook. I laughted out loud when I read it. -- Suntag ☼ 17:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Henry Fitz was the first American to make refractor telescopes and constructed the largest refracting telescopes in America on five different occasions? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 00:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, hook, and refs all good. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 04:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Miguel Ramón Izquierdo was the last Francoist mayor of Valencia, Spain and secured the transfer of the Turia River gardens from the Spanish crown to local administration? new article, self-nom by Valenciano Valenciano (talk) 19:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Odd Isaachsen Willoch, an uncle of later Norwegian Prime Minister Kåre Willoch, commanded the ship HNoMS Eidsvold which was sunk in 1940 during the Battles of Narvik? -- co-nomination by Manxruler and Punkmorten (talk) 13:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that many Polish Jews were sheltered by Polish individuals, organizations and communities during the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Poland? --article by User:Poeticbent, User:Ecoleetage and myself, nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5

• ... that Qualifying Industrial Zones are special free-trade zones in Jordan and Egypt created to take advantage of the free trade agreements between the United States and Israel? Zithan (talk) 15:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that at Royal Rumble (1993), for the first time, the winner of the Royal Rumble match was guaranteed a match for the WWF Championship at WrestleMania, which subsequently became an annual tradition? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles Shorey House

• ... that the historic Charles Shorey House (pictured) mixes both gambrel and gable roofs? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 07:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. I also made some tweaks to the article. – RyanCross (talk) 02:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Polish-Armenian Roman Catholic priest, Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski was ordered to be silent by the Krakow Curia because of his clergy lustration activities? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 03:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that ballet impresario George de Cuevas faced Serge Lifar in a 1958 duel with swords, that was described as "the most delicate encounter in the history of French dueling"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 23:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Added some links. --74.14.18.233 (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Black Iraqis still maintain their African heritage in healing ceremonies? Taprobanus (talk) 22:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the curfew law associated with the curfew bell started by Alfred the Great was abolished by Henry I of England? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Finnish Association of Graduate Engineers is a trade union which requires its full members to have at least a master's degree? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPorciusCato (talk • contribs)

Whose nom is this? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it's MPorciusCato's. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 22:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Does "Graduate" already mean people with a master's or doctor's degree? Are they rejecting applications for membership from people who got straight to a PhD program after undergraduate, skipping the master's? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

In Finland, it is impossible to skip the master's. Foreign PhDs with such qualifications would be allowed, I think. On the other hand, it was possible until 2005 to skip the bachelor's degree. The study to master's degree without a bachelor took five years after high school graduation. (BTW, I edited this nomination a little.) --MPorciusCato (talk) 15:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during the history of San Diego State University some students joined the armed forces during World War II and assisted in the Doolittle Raid over Japan? New article, self-nom. Nehrams2020 (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  • (alt. hook) ... that during the history of San Diego State University several students attempted to pull a prank by dumping marshmallows from a plane, but accidentally crashed the plane on campus instead? New article, self-nom. Nehrams2020 (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during one trial of the Mexican Inquisition, 123 men were accused of homosexuality but 99 managed to escape before the proceedings? self-nom by Thelmadatter (talk) 19:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that ballerina Rosella Hightower received critical acclaim in 1947 after filling in for the sick Alicia Markova and learning the role of Giselle in five hours, having never danced the part before? -- fivefold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the digital time capsule A Message From Earth which was transmitted towards the planet Gliese 581c, included a message submitted by actress Gillian Anderson consisting of two images of George W. Bush and Barack Obama? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom. Please feel free to make any suggestions on alternate hooks if you can think of something better than this. Chamal ^talk 15:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  • This hook is too long at 222 characters. But how about:

ALT: ... that a digital time capsule "A Message From Earth" was transmitted to the planet Gliese 581c and included a message by actress Gillian Anderson comprising images of George W. Bush and Barack Obama? --Bruce1ee^talk 14:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Fine by me :) Chamal ^talk 16:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT hook verified (length, date and refs fine). --Bruce1ee^talk 06:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

19th century telegraph pole

• ... that Harrison Gray Dyar erected the first telegraph line (telegraph pole pictured) and dispatched the first message over it ever sent, being designated by the U.S. Supreme Court as the real inventor of the telegraph? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I've added a pic. How about this for an alternate hook:

ALT: ... that Harrison Gray Dyar erected the first telegraph line (telegraph pole pictured) and dispatched over it the first message ever sent, making him the real inventor of the telegraph? --Bruce1ee^talk 14:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I like Bruce1ee's ALT better and with the pic, works for me. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT hook verified - length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Tzvia Greenfeld is the first Haredi woman to serve as a member of the Knesset? new article, self nom. -- Nudve (talk) 14:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ludvík Čelanský was the founder and the first principal conductor of the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra? - self-nomination. --Vejvančický (talk) 10:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that on 25 October of this year, the Navy Midshipmen football team played their 1,200th game, making them the second team in the Football Bowl Subdivision to reach that mark? - expanded and cleaned up, self-nomination. Msr iaidoka (talk) 09:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• No qualifying article, but only if we strictly interpret the rule that tables don't count towards the 1500 character minimum. This may be an exception because it's 60,000 characters of tables. Art LaPella (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Livermore, Pennsylvania was abandoned in the early 1950s so that the area could be made into a reservoir to prevent flooding to Pittsburgh? — expansion, self nom, Grsz^{11 →Review!} 05:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a rare Manjampatti White Bison and Indian Tiger pugmarks were recently seen near Kukkal village in Tamil Nadu state, South India? -- new article, self nom by Marcus (talk) 05:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• link new article 'Manjampatti White Bison' = two new articles in one hook Marcus (talk) 04:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in October 2008, the biofuel company Mascoma received a US$26 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to develop a cellulosic fuel production facility? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Added a link. --74.14.18.233 (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 05:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4

Bank of Spain

• ... that during the Spanish Civil War, the Second Spanish Republic, in an operation known as the Moscow Gold, ordered the transfer of 510 tonnes of gold from the Bank of Spain (pictured) to the Soviet Union? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by CarlosPatiño (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: expansion of the article completed on November 4. The beginning of the expansion started in its translation a while back.--CarlosPatiño (talk) 04:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Vin Denson is the only British rider to have won a stage of the Giro d'Italia? Article created by User talk:Les woodland. Nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Err... not true. Scotland's Robert Millar won a stage in 1987 on his way to finishing second overall and becoming King of the Mountains. Denson and Millar are the only two to have won a stage (see the bottom of this page). I've corrected the article; how about that he's one of only two, or that he was the first? --DeLarge (talk) 15:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Union Station in Owensboro, Kentucky was once turned into a discotheque and a pizza parlor? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 18:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Haydn

• ... that according to musical analyst Sir Donald Tovey, every page of Opus 20, composed in 1772 by Haydn (pictured), the father of the string quartet, is "of historic and aesthetic importance"? -- new article by Ravpapa (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 06:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Pacific University Health Professions Campus

Pacific University Health Professions Campus

• ... that Pacific University’s first building at its Health Professions Campus in Hillsboro, Oregon, attained LEED gold status? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 07:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Union general Robert Alexander Cameron participated in the 1863 Vicksburg Campaign, where he was slightly wounded in his eyes during the Battle of Port Gibson? (new article by User:AdjustShift, expanded by User:Kresock) AdjustShift (talk) 10:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jheryl Busby, once President and CEO of Motown Records, was a major shareholder of the first African-American-owned national bank in the US along with Janet Jackson and Magic Johnson? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Confederate Memorial Gateway in Hickman, Kentucky took ten years and $10,000 to build? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 23:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in the 5th century BC, Theodorus of Cyrene created the Spiral of Theodorus which made square roots up to the square root of 17 easily constructable by means of the Pythagorean theorem? Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by --pbroks13^talk? 22:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Nice hook but the article has not been expanded 5x in the last 5 days. --Bruce1ee^talk 12:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Yikes. 5 times? I'll see what I can do. Its at 2x right now. --pbroks13^talk? 09:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
      • The expansion is actually 2453/1559 or about 1.6x. The prose portion of the article, not the entire article, must expand 5 times to be considered as new. For details see #Instructions (and "Unwritten" Rule A2). So you might want to start with a new article. Art LaPella (talk) 03:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Clarence W. Spangenberger was the last president of Cornell Steamboat Company, whose more than 60 vessels made it the largest tugboat company in the United States? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that attorney P. Cameron DeVore died of an apparent heart attack, but jested in a self-written obituary that he had succumbed to "a surfeit of pâté de fois gras ice cream smothered in huckleberries"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 17:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that William Jay Bolton was the first artist in the United States to design and manufacture figural stained glass windows? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Mark Canton, producer of 300 and The Spiderwick Chronicles, started his movie career working in the mail room of Warner Bros.? -- new article self-nom by Fram (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Terence Tolbert, Nevada state director for Barack Obama's presidential campaign, died of a heart attack at age 44, two days before the 2008 presidential election? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook)... that Terence Tolbert, the Nevada state campaign for Barack Obama's presidential campaign, died of a heart attack at age 44, two days before polls opened on Election Day? --PFHLai (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• (alt 2)*... that Terence Tolbert, the Obama campaign's Nevada state director, died of a heart attack at age 44, two days before Barack Obama won both the state and the presidency? -- modified hook to reflect the election results. Alansohn (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
• (alt 3)*... that Terence Tolbert, the Obama campaign's Nevada state director, died of a heart attack at age 44 two days before Barack Obama won the state's five electoral votes that George W. Bush had won in 2004? -- another alternate hook that reflects the 2008 election results and that Nevada swung to the Democrats. Alansohn (talk) 16:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that bilateral trade between India and Poland has grown by more than seven times from 1992 to 2007? Self nom. --GPPande talk! 13:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  • One question - Can the map in the article be used too? --GPPande talk! 13:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It might be a challenge to get a map that looks good at the usual pic size of 100x100px. Cropping may help. --PFHLai (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Harike Wetland (pictured) with the Harike Lake formed across the Sutlej River by a barrage built in 1953 has a concentration of migratory fauna of waterfowls with number of globally threatened species.--Nvvchar (talk) 11:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  • barrage was dab'ed to barrage (tidal). Confirm that this is accurate. Alansohn (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Barrage is on the river and far away from the tidal zone, please. Hence, introducing (tidal) would not be proper.Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
      • If barrage (tidal) is misleading, then the disambiguation page barrage is more misleading, because it asks the reader to choose between the same barrage (tidal) article and several other meanings of "barrage" that aren't related to water at all. Could we change it to a synonym like "dam"? Also, "... of migratory fauna of waterfowls with number of ..." is confusing in English. Based on the second reference, I think it means "... of migratory waterfowl with a number of ..." Art LaPella (talk) 02:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
        • Barrage is a very common usage in India to define low height headworks on rivers. Since there is a confusion due to disambuation, headworks could replace the name barrage. On the second part, I agree with your suggestion.I have reworded the Hook as under.--Nvvchar (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
          • ... that Harike Wetland (pictured) with the Harike Lake formed across the Sutlej River by a headwork built in 1953 has a concentration of migratory waterfowl with a number of globally threatened species?--Nvvchar (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
            • "Headwork" is also unfamiliar to me as an American, and it's missing from unspecialized dictionaries. But I found barrage (engineering) redirects to sluice. So I suggest [[sluice|barrage]] or [[sluice|headwork]] (or just "sluice" or "sluice gate"). I also removed the "s" from "waterfowls", added "a" before "number", and changed the period to a question mark (we have a rule about question marks). Art LaPella (talk) 05:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
              • • Can we adopt the word "Headregulator" which would be more appropriate than a sluice. In case that is also not found in the unspecialised dictionary, adopting the word "Dam" could be a better alternative. Similar change has to be made on another article on the Kanjli Wetland posted by me here on 1st November. I am now also considering writing an article on Barrage to bridge the gap in the data base on the subject.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bill Stall of the Los Angeles Times won the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Writing for a series of editorials the Pulitzer board said "served as a model for addressing complex state issues"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The ABC of Communism by Nikolai Bukharin and Evgenii Preobrazhensky was the most widely read political work in Soviet Russia? new article, self nom Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 02:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• 251 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 03:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• I subtracted 36 characters, which still leaves it a bit long. Otto4711 (talk) 03:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Deleted a bit that I wasn't sure about adding in the first place. I hope its ok now. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 22:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Dracula's Daughter (1936) was the first film to present the lesbian vampire trope on-screen?

<alt> ... that horror novelist Anne Rice has cited Dracula's Daughter (1936) as an inspiration for her own homoerotic vampire fiction?

self-nom, article expanded over the last couple of days. Otto4711 (talk) 02:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that an initial €1 million was allocated for the new political foundations at European level in 2007–08?

new article self-nom by Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me. —Nightstallion 08:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Gets a tick of approval from me too doktorb _words^deeds 20:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work very concise and great links and sources. Approve!! 03:06, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Henri Joseph Fenet, a soldier in World War II, was awarded the Croix de Guerre by France and the Knight's Cross by Germany? -- new article self nom by Jim Sweeney (talk) 09:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Connecticut River Museum is located in a restored 1878 steamboat warehouse? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1919, Poland tried to overthrow the Lithuanian government, but the premature Sejny Uprising resulted in the plan's failure? --self-nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Eugene Vaulot of the Waffen SS destroyed eight tanks during the Battle of Berlin in 1945, earning himself a Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross days before he was killed in action by a sniper? -- new article by Jim Sweeney (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 06:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 3

• ... that Franz Burgmeier became the first Liechtensteiner to play football in England after being signed on the advice of a club chairman's 12-year-old grandson? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Peanut4 (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty chancellor Zhang Yanshang was the son of one chancellor (Zhang Jiazhen), son-in-law of another (Miao Jinqing), and father of another (Zhang Hongjing)? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... that the father, the son, and the father-in-law of Zhang Yanshang were all chancellors in China during the Tang Dynasty, and so was he? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the History of Hobart has seen the former penal colony become an important 19th century centre of the whaling, sealing and shipbuilding trades, and more recently, a port of call to Antarctic and US Navy ships? Robert Fleming (talk), self-nom, 13:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Subtropical Storm One (1978) is the only Atlantic subtropical cyclone to develop in the month of January? Article expanded from a redirect by Hurricanehink (talk · contribs). –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:43, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date and fact referencing verified. Jamie^☆S93 16:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that SM U-10 and SM U-11, which were U-10-class submarines constructed in Germany and shipped to Austria-Hungary by rail, were both commissioned into the German Imperial Navy and the Austro-Hungarian Navy during World War I? — new article self-nom by Bellhalla (talk) 22:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  • (SM U-10 and SM U-11 were created on 4 November.) — Bellhalla (talk) 22:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that SM U-5, ceded to Italy in 1920 as war reparations, was the only member of the U-5-class submarines of the Austro-Hungarian Navy to survive World War I? -- new article by Bellhalla (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 16:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Papillifera bidens

• ... that the Mediterranean land snail Papillifera bidens (pictured) lived in England for over 100 years before being discovered? -- new article by User:Invertzoo; Nom by Snek01 (talk) 19:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that country music singer Jeremy McComb was once a tour manager for comedian Larry the Cable Guy? Self nom Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 17:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Date, length and ref all check out. —97198 (talk) 09:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Milan Bandić was elected in 2005 as the mayor of Zagreb, Croatia, with the support of only a seventh of eligible voters? -- self-nom, article moved from user space. Admiral Norton ^(talk) 15:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ford Road in Dearborn, Michigan, was named for William Ford, father of Henry Ford? -- self-nom of 8.3x expansion of M-153 (Michigan highway) (redirect target for Ford Road) Imzadi1979 (talk) 10:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jack Massie, an Australian cricketer, fought at Gallipoli and wore a scarlet rag on his right arm to lure marksmen away from his left arm which he used for bowling? Jevansen (talk) 02:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Date, length & ref verified. A nice hook, too - the poor guy, he shattered his left shoulder anyway. —97198 (talk) 06:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Paducah Freight House was built larger than it needed to be, because it was to service rail lines that never came to Paducah, Kentucky? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 00:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that William Louis Abbott, American doctor and philanthropist, went to Madagascar to enlist in the native army against the second French occupation of the island? new article self-nom by Maias (talk) 00:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that there are more than 700,000 km of mains and sewers are buried underground in England and Wales, a distance 200 times greater than the UK’s entire motorway network? -- new article by Mschiffler (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 23:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Withdrawn. This article turns out to be a fork of Water supply and sanitation in the United Kingdom, and thus do not qualify for DYK. Never mind... --PFHLai (talk) 23:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hustler Video recently produced the pornographic film Who's Nailin' Paylin? as a parody of Sarah Palin? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Nyctonymous 22:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Probably not perfectly suitable material for Wikipedia's Main Page.--Wetman (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• WP:NOTCENSORED. Otto4711 (talk) 03:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED is better applied to the inclusion/exclusion of materials in the encyclopedia. For Main Page, to some extent "the face of the project", we really should exercise a bit more discretion, IMO. Also, getting such a DYK entry on Main Page soon after this video is released may appear to be "free frontpage advertising". I'd avoid this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 15:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC) ^{Added the word "free" later. --18:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)}

It's be a crying shame if we wimped out of putting this expanded article on the main page because we are squeamish. Material in DYK, ITM or TFA is not advertising. WP:NOTCENSORED absolutely relates to those parts of the project. No reason to reject this nom. 65.30.180.47 (talk) 18:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

"because we are squeamish"? How about common sense and good taste? I have no problem having this article in the encyclopedia, per WP:NOTCENSORED. Those who search for the article can read it. But I don't suggest featuring porn-related materials on MainPage, where no one is looking for porn. When we have a long backlog of noms to pick for DYK, I'd pick something else. --PFHLai (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd also invoke Unwritten rule C2: "No ads." This goes for any hooks about films, books, software, etc. that are *recently* released to the market. This DVD is scheduled for release *this week*. --PFHLai (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Strongly endorse this view. If this video company needs a title like this to sell its goods then that isn't a reason for wikipedia to do the same. I'm proud we are not censored ... we don't have to prove it on our front page, but I'd be happy to do so if this article had any valuable contribution, but frankly I don't think it has. Victuallers (talk) 15:20, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

(Outdent) "common sense and good taste"...hmmm. How does refusing to run an article which meets the DYK criteria on that basis not just censorship. We don't need to be prudish. As far as the ads complaint, I guess I don't see it. Let's pretend that I wrote a new article on a normal book scheduled for publication this week. If the article I wrote met NPOV/WP:N/ADVERT, would DYK decide to not run it on the potential that main page exposure would constitute "advertising"? And honestly, it's an unwritten rule. I understand that DYK is a volunteer effort that has to take many applications and produce vetted content. But it would be a shame to see this hook in particular pushed aside for the reasons presented here. If we are honestly talking about restricting content on the main page on the basis that the article covers a subject that wouldn't be shown in a grade school, we have to reorient ourselves, fast. Protonk (talk) 00:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not only grade school, you know. Potentially objectionable/offensive materials should be avoided on MainPage. If you want to call it censorship, so be it. Just trying to be sensible and stay out of trouble. --PFHLai (talk) 06:02, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd concur with PFHLai on this, just going off past precedent. Not too long ago there was a rather serious issue over the appearance of a DYK nom on the main page that was judged by some to be of questionable taste. That eventually resulted in Jimbo getting involved, a desysopping and a lot of bad feeling. And the subject there was a lot milder than a porn film. The mainpage has always been sensitive and rightly so. Over at the Featured Article side of things there are some FAs that are I believe defacto banned from a mainpage appearance on grounds of taste. (e.g. 1987 (What the Fuck Is Going On?) and Jenna Jameson). There have also been concerns raised after commercial subjects like Ernest Emerson and Elderly Instruments were placed on the mainpage. I'm not making any judgements on the rightness or wrongness of these stances, but this is a highly controversial topic that is perhaps best pursued somewhere centralised and open if you want to challenge this stance and get a generalised statement of how the mainpage can be used, rather than fighting over individual noms as they come up. Benea (talk) 11:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what I'm supposed to think. We are keeping non-pornographic material off the main page because it links to an article that isn't pornographic and all of it isn't censorship. And to top it off we are patting ourselves on the back for our discerning 'taste'. I accept the advice that this should be pursued generally rather than specifically--that's fair. But I guess I really fail to see the problem. Nothing about this hook is objectionable. The article could be considered objectionable for some people, but caveat lector. In my opinion we have a big hill to climb to say "we can substitute our judgment for that of the readers" and we haven't gone over that hump yet. Alluding to some vague, external controversy is not the way to do so. Likewise pointing out other specific times when WP:TFA fell down on the job isn't compelling to me. So while I ponder raising this question somewhat more generally I can ask you guys to ponder why objections to this article are stiffened. Why has this moved from "Probably not perfectly suitable material for Wikipedia's Main Page" to "How about common sense and good taste? I have no problem having this article in the encyclopedia, per WP:NOTCENSORED. Those who search for the article can read it. But I don't suggest featuring porn-related materials on MainPage, where no one is looking for porn."? Protonk (talk) 01:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that William Shockley of transistor fame also worked on solar cells, and produced one of its most fundamental theoretical works, the Shockley-Queisser limit? Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the meaning of "Der Pleier", the pseudonym of the 13th-century author of the romance Garel, is unknown, though it might refer metaphorically to glassblowing? -- Expansion from redirect, self nom byCúchullain ^t/c 21:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ylon Schwartz, main event finalist at the 2008 World Series of Poker, has gambled on backgammon, chess, darts, horses and his ability to toss lemons across a street onto the roof of a Burger King? -- five-fold expansion, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 21:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that pianist and composer Moshe Cotel chose to become a rabbi after meeting a Holocaust survivor who was so inspired by his retelling of the story of Alfred Dreyfus that she had returned to Judaism? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that memories of the Confederacy in Mayfield, Kentucky include the westernmost counties of Kentucky and Tennessee planning to form a new state to join the Confederacy? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 17:52, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• A verb like "planning" is missing before "to form". Art LaPella (talk) 03:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Indeed. Amended.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 03:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that William Munroe was the first manufacturer of pencils in the United States? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Kohler-Andrae State Park (pictured) consists of two separate state parks, one donated by an electric company president and another by plumbing fixture manufacturer Kohler Company? - 5x expansion by Royalbroil 15:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Castle Rushen (pictured) in the Isle of Man was founded by the Norse king Magnus III of the Isle of Man in the mid-13th century and is still in use today as a museum and lawcourt? Expand nom by Manxruler (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that al-Karmil, an Arabic language newspaper first published in Haifa in 1908, was founded with the express purpose of "opposing Zionist colonization"? (self-nom) Tiamut^talk 14:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the "Valley of Tears" in the Golan Heights was so named after it became the site of a major battle in the Yom Kippur War? expansion, self nom. -- Nudve (talk) 14:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Article eligibility and hook length verified; offline source for hook fact accepted in good faith. --Orlady (talk) 05:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Rear-Admiral Charles Austen′s family included Admiral of the Fleet Francis Austen, and the novelist Jane Austen? - self nom, new article, Benea (talk) 12:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty official Li Mian kept places at feasts for two deceased subordinates for three years after their deaths, offering meals and wine to their spirits? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 07:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Japanese admiral Mitsumi Shimizu authorized the midget submarine operation during the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 05:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the subprime mortgage crisis, among several other factors, led to a negative demand shock in the American economy, which causes demand for goods and services to decrease? Gary King (talk) 01:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that General James Deshler (pictured) was killed instantly by a Union cannon's artillery shell when it exploded in front of him tearing his heart from his body? New Article, Self Nom., Duke R. Oliver I ^{His Duchy} 00:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the CZ 2075 RAMI is a subcompact pistol designed for concealed carry? This is my first nom, and my first "real" article I created. Someone suggested it to me, so I decided to nom and see what feedback I received. Thanks for considering. Digital^Ninja 02:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Creation date and length verified. Article has a decent amount of references (in general). Do you have a more interesting fact? Usually we try to draw out something unusual or interesting, not state what something is. For instance, you have sourced that:

• (ALT) ... that the CZ 2075 RAMI was named by combining the first two initials of the two people who originally designed it? Royalbroil 15:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I was just coming back here to add that. I can't find another gun that is named after it's designers. There's an idea! Cheers Digital^Ninja 16:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if featuring an image of a gun on Main Page would draw complaints? I am aware of the "if we can feature tanks and warships, we can feature guns, too" logic, but AFAIK gun is a particularly sensitive topic in English-speaking countries. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:17, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

As a person in the British Isles I'd say we are happy to see them as as an academic subject (even though we don't encourage people to have/own or use them). Seems like a good first article (I even like the 1st hook) Victuallers (talk) 15:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

As an U.S. resident who doesn't like guns, I don't have a problem with a gun on the main page and I would expect that most Americans wouldn't have a problem with it. Royalbroil 05:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't think anyone would have a problem regarding the academia of firearms. In the contrary, as an avid gun collector and stanch supporter of 2nd amendment rights, I think learing about firearms is both fascinating and overall a wise decision. The more you know about anything dangerous, the less dangerous such object becomes. Digital^Ninja 15:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that director Peter Ustinov instructed Richard Burton not to blink during his performance as the escaped sociopath in the 1972 film Hammersmith is Out? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Date, length & ref verified. BTW, nominator is Ecoleetage (talk · contribs). —97198 (talk) 09:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, 97198! (Can I call you "9"?) I put my siggie in after I spotted your ID of me. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that art historian Albert Boime theorized to the American Astronomical Society that Vincent van Gogh's The Starry Night (pictured) was based on positions of celestial objects at 4 a.m. on June 19, 1889? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 05:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
  • (moved here from November 2) Length, date and hook ref verified. The hook is 202 characters with "(pictured)", but I guess that's ok. --Bruce1ee^talk 11:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
    • (why not?)... that art historian Albert Boime theorized that Vincent van Gogh's The Starry Night (pictured) was based on positions of celestial objects at 4 a.m. on June 19, 1889? I'm not influenced by who he theorised to and I think it detracts from (and pads out) the hook Victuallers (talk) 15:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Yes, that's better. --Bruce1ee^talk 06:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bus Stop, a 1961–1962 ABC series starring Marilyn Maxwell as the owner of a diner in a small Colorado town, was loosely based on the William Inge play of the same name?--self-nom , new article Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Usual issue. All the refs but one (and another very vague "television schedule" ref which isn't necessarily a physical source) are cited to user-edited TV.com and IMDb. —97198 (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

L. Frank Baum

• ... that Policeman Bluejay, a children's novel by L. Frank Baum (pictured) of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz fame, was first published in 1907 under the pen name "Laura Bancroft"? -- new article by Ugajin (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 2

• ... that the 1855 Wairarapa earthquake was the most powerful earthquake ever recorded in New Zealand? Article created by Mikenorton, but I nominated it for him. Ceran →(sing→see →scribe) 22:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that space rock band The Boxing Lesson's drummer was sent to prison for five years for "conspiracy to manufacture marijuana"? - or - ... that space rock band The Boxing Lesson use a Moog synthesizer in place of a bass guitar? - article created November 2. Self-nom. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 13:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

Norton 16H

• ... that the British War Office placed orders for the Norton 16H (pictured) for ten years, making it the longest period it had procured a single make of motorcycle? -- new article by User:Thruxton; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 07:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the state of Wisconsin proposed the route of Wisconsin Highway 57 as an Interstate Highway corridor in the 1950s? --self-nom, fivefold expansion by TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Bert Bolle's Barometer

• ... that the Bert Bolle Barometer (pictured) in Denmark, Western Australia, is the largest barometer in the world? -- new article by Platoplatypus (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook)... that User: BaroBert's Big Barometer (pictured) in Denmark, Western Australia, is the largest barometer in the world? -- new article by Platoplatypus (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 15:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Meare Pool was an important source of fish for Glastonbury Abbey before it was drained between 1500 and 1750? started by User:Derek Andrews & nom by— Rod ^talk 11:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Wishram Indian Village Site is believed to have been occupied for at least 10,000 years? - selfnom - Murderbike (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Scotsman Adam Menelaws became the de facto leading architect of the Russian Empire when he was already around seventy years old? -- new, self-nom. Note: 70 is the most conservative mark, assuming that Menelaws was born in 1756. If he was born in 1748 (see article), than by 1825 he was closer to 80. NVO (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Offline ref can be accepted in good faith, but right now the hook contains the conservative estimate (70) while the article contains the less conservative 80. Can you reword that part of the article lead-in, to make it clearer that it is only an estimate? (the current language is "In 1825–1831 Menelaws, then in his eighties...") —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Got it! For some reason I shortcircuited in believing that eighties are 70-79... just like the 18th century. NVO (talk) 23:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
    • P.S. Cited refs by Cross and Hayden are available online through googlebooks. NVO (talk) 23:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Hook looks good, will keep working on clarifying things in the article. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 06:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the name "Manchester United Football Club" is generally believed to have been suggested by Louis Rocca? -- new article self-nom by – PeeJay 21:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• OR ... that former Manchester United football manager Matt Busby was brought to the club by Louis Rocca? – PeeJay 21:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Clärenore Stinnes was the first person to circumnavigate the world by automobile in an Adler Standard 6 between 1927 and 1929? -- new article Clärenore Stinnes, too short to qualify, but small expansion to Adler does. Interesting factoid worthy of DYK. Author is DIH7184, nom by me Russeasby (talk) 21:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • expanded article and added image of Adler car, should be quite complete now DIH7184 (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kitty Barne's novel Rosina Copper was about the true story of an Argentine polo pony rescued from neglect? -- new article self-nom by John Vandenberg ^(chat) 19:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

"The Ghost of a Flea", c.1819-20, by William Blake

• ... that before William Blake painted The Ghost of a Flea, the flea allegedly came at a séance and told him "fleas [are] inhabited by the souls of such men as were by nature blood thirsty to excess"? Self nom Ceoil ^sláinte 19:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• Alt nom (because the above is too long) - ... that William Blake's The Ghost of a Flea caused his contemporaries to believe that he was a madman? (and I added this section, so of course I would emphasize it). Ottava Rima (talk) 21:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

A bit simplistic? Ceoil ^sláinte 21:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but to the point. :) One of my literary focuses is on the "insanity" of poets, or how poetic inspiration causes them to appear insane to their culture. This image caused the same reaction of Christopher Smart's Song to David, which is funny because of their opposite takes. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I thightened it. Ceoil ^sláinte 05:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

That sounds fun! Johnbod (talk) 00:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Jacob Earl Fickel firing first gun shots from airplane, 1910

• ... that Jacob Earl Fickel (pictured) fired the first gun shots from an airplane? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • The prose part of the article is too short at 1251 characters (see instructions above). Can you expand it to get it above 1500? --Bruce1ee^talk 08:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Expanded article by 2500 characters. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 05:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Confederate Memorial Gates in Mayfield

• ... that the Confederate Memorial Gates in Mayfield (pictured) were built to not only pay tribute to Confederate veterans of Graves County, Kentucky, but to also be a civic improvement? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:32, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Urakami class destroyer Kawakaze of the Imperial Japanese Navy was built in Scotland, sold to the Regia Marina of Italy and sunk as a ship of the Kriegsmarine of Nazi Germany? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • How about changing German Navy to Kriegsmarine? Manxruler (talk) 20:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
    • done. --MChew (talk) 14:50, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Tithe Barn, Pilton

• ... that the restoration of the Tithe Barn, Pilton (pictured) in Somerset was supported by profits from the Glastonbury Festival? (self nom)— Rod ^talk 14:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Egyptian Communist Organisation (1948–1954) was nicknamed 'Mishmish' (Arabic for 'apricot')? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Manny Harris was the first player to start for three consecutive Detroit Public School League Basketball Champions since Jalen Rose and Voshon Lenard?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 12:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Thomas Paton worked on the construction of the Owen Falls Dam (pictured) which was responsible for the first complete stoppage of the White Nile in recorded history? - new article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 12:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that AKVA Group, then called Helgeland Plast, developed the world's first plastic fish farming cages in 1974? —self-nom Arsenikk ^(talk) 12:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Joseph C. Hare has a valley in the Northern Oregon Coast Range named after him? Nom by --Gwib (talk) 11:10, 2 November 2008 (UTC), article by Aboutmovies

• ... that the Air Support Division in Los Angeles is the nation's largest municipal airborne law enforcement organization? Nom by --Gwib (talk) 11:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC), article by Liquidtash

• ... that the book Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control was runner-up in the 2005 Times Higher Education Supplement Young Academic Author Award? -- self-nom by Cirt (talk) 09:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Replica of the Star of the South in Reich der Kristalle museum, Munich

• ... that the light reflected by the diamond Star of the South (replica pictured) is white and the light refracted is of a rose tint, which gives the diamond its light pinkish-brown hue? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 09:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT: ... that the original owner of the diamond Star of the South sold it for a mere £3,000, and the buyer later deposited it in the bank of Rio de Janeiro for £30,000? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 09:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Terence Fox was made the first Shell Professor of Chemical Engineering at the University of Cambridge despite never having published a research paper? New article, 2400-odd chars. Ironholds (talk) 03:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Verifed. – RyanCross (talk) 09:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that having served in the Norwegian Parliament from 1985 to 2001, Ingvald Godal subsequently involved himself in solidarity work for Chechnya? Punkmorten (talk) 16:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The Enterprise

• ... that the steamboats Enterprise (pictured) and Maria once had a monopoly on transport along the Fraser River in British Columbia? -- new article by Mtsmallwood (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully, Maria gets her own article created soon and we can have a double-DYK hook. --PFHLai (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

• Currently a backlog of 86 hooks as of 03:54, 5 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
• Backlog of 75 hooks as of 03:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)
• Backlog of about 70 hooks as of 03:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC) - Gatoclass (talk)

Articles created/expanded on November 1

• ... that the Valencian regional parliament, the Corts Valencianes, takes its name from earlier assemblies established in the thirteenth century by King James I of Aragon? (self nom) Valenciano (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Magoja

• ... that an outer jacket, magoja (pictured) was introduced to Korea after the king's father, Heungseon Daewongun, returned from Manchuria in 1887? -- (self nom) Caspian blue 18:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • (alt hook:) ...that the magoja (pictured), a unisex outer jacket, was introduced to Korea after Heungseon Daewongun, the father of King Gojong of the Joseon Dynasty, returned from seclusion in Manchuria in 1887? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • The supporting ref for this information is a Korean source. Back in the article, can you provide a translation, in the footnote, of the relevant sentence(s)? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

    Thank you for the interest, I will provide the translation later. --Caspian blue 16:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the entrance to Kaipara Harbour has treacherous sandbars known as the graveyard, which are responsible for more shipwrecks than any other place in New Zealand? Expanded article, self nom, --Geronimo20 (talk) 11:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, expansion verified, and hook is very interesting! But, the source given does not say the shipwrecks here are more than any other place in NZ; it only verifies the number of shipwrecks, not the comparison with other sandbars (as far as I can tell). Can you either reword the hook, or add a new ref in the article? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 16:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that throughout 100 years of tanks in the Spanish Army, Spain never put a Spanish-designed tank in mass production? JonCatalán^(Talk) 03:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC) It has no lead, but I just finished it, and it's at almost 90kB. It will have a lead by midnight (Pacific Time) tonight, or tomorrow morning. JonCatalán^(Talk) 03:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Although I did this yesterday, I just wanted to make sure that I have in fact written the lead for the article. JonCatalán^(Talk) 17:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lt. Henry B. Hidden (pictured) is believed to be first officer of Union volunteer cavalry killed in the American Civil War? (new article/self-nom) MaxVeers (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Zeituni Onyango is the half-aunt of President-elect Barack Obama and a political asylum claimant from Kenya whose case was leaked in the final days of the 2008 U.S. presidential election? -- new article by User:Hobartimus; cleaned-up and Nom by -- Banjeboi 19:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Article is at AfD which I expect to be resolved as nom has withdrawn. Also US elections may warrant the modifying of Obama's title.
  • I've updated link to President-elect per the election outcome.
  • AfD closed.
  • Here's the reference used that covers both facts -- Banjeboi 13:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that India's Sir Arcot Ramasamy Mudaliar was the first President of the United Nations Economic and Social Council?-self-nom by-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 08:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Arabian Hall of the Winter Palace was named after four "massive Negroes" who were attendants of the Tsar, one of whom, from 1896, was the American Jim Hercules? -- article by User:Giano II (recently moved to mainspace from a userpage); nom by Testing times (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Observer Group was the first joint-United States Army/Marine unit to be organized and trained specifically for amphibious reconnaissance? -- new article by User:RekonDog; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 14:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Noonday Globe snail, Patera clarki nantahala

• ... that the threatened "noonday globe" land snail Patera clarki nantahala (pictured) is known only from a two-mile-long area inside the gorge of the Nantahala River in North Carolina? -- new article self-nom by Snek01 (talk) 12:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that James Wandin, the first Australian Rules footballer of aboriginal descent to play with St Kilda Football Club, was also the tribal leader of the Wurundjeri people? -- new article by Tirin (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 11:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Metropolitana di Napoli, which is the metro system of the city of Naples, Italy, is undergoing a massive network expansion at a cost of 3.886 billion euros? self-nom by Robert Fleming (talk) 10:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that after his diagnosis with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, tributes to Allan Rosenfield included a song dedication by Bono at a U2 concert? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 04:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and hook referencing verified. Jamie^☆S93 17:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... the Fodder Scam was a corruption scandal that involved the alleged embezzlement of about ₹950 crore (US$110 million) from the government treasury of the Indian state of Bihar? -expanded by Hunnjazal (talk · contribs), nom. by KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 --KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 14:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Chemische Fabrik Kalk (pictured) was founded 150 years ago and was shut down 15 years ago? --new article, self nom Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 07:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• The article was deleted. Art LaPella (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

And the author suddenly retired from Wikipedia. --74.14.18.233 (talk) 17:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the silhouette artist S. John Ross (d. August 2008) was a legend of the Sydney Royal Easter Show, and created portraits of Vivian Leigh and Nicole Kidman? --new article, self-nom by Amandajm (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that outdoors broadcaster Tony Dean was eulogized by South Dakota Senator Tim Johnson for striking a balance in "his advocacy on behalf of conservation and sportsmen alike"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 02:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1917, baseball managers John McGraw and Christy Mathewson were arrested after a game for playing on Sunday? (new article, self-nom) --Mr.crabby (Talk) 00:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Ihlen Declaration was a statement made on July 22, 1919 by the Norwegian Foreign Minister, Nils Claus Ihlen, on the subject of the sovereignty of Greenland, and led to an Permanent Court of International Justice case? new article, self nom. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 00:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Amasa Holcomb was the first in the United States to manufacture telescopes? new article, self nom by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

"America" = United States or the Americas? Pls disambiguate. --74.13.129.187 (talk) 19:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Changed to United States, as the reference shows. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Sunday Closing Act of 1881, which restricted the opening of public houses in Wales, was the first legislation for over three centuries to recognise that country as distinct from England? (self nom) Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Nemattanew, a renegade Powhatan captain dubbed "Jack-of-the-Feather" in 1611 for his extravagant regalia, believed he was invincible to English bullets? self nom, new Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Symantec (headquarters pictured), a computer security company, was originally founded by Gary Hendrix to focus on artificial intelligence-related projects such as natural language processing? Gary King (talk) 17:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kanjli Wetland, which subsumes the Kanjli Lake, created in 1870 by a barrage on the Bien River, has been recognized by the international Ramsar Convention for its rich biodiversity? --Nvvchar (talk) 16:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Alternate Hook ... that Kanjli Wetland, which subsumes the Kanjli Lake, created in 1870 by Headworks on the Bien River, has been recognized by the international Ramsar Convention for its rich biodiversity?--Nvvchar (talk) 04:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Extraordinary Adventures of Mr. West in the Land of the Bolsheviks, a Soviet propaganda film from 1924, is the first explicitly anti-American film from the USSR? - new article, self nom by LGF1992UK (talk) 15:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that David Jeaffreson served as Commissioner of ICAC before retiring from the Hong Kong government in 1991?-- new article self-nom by --Clithering (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a riot at Paducah, Kentucky's Woolfolk Home led to Ulysses S. Grant's rise above his superior officer, Brigadier General Charles Ferguson Smith? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that King Mahasen, who ruled Sri Lanka from AD 275 to 301, started the construction of large irrigation tanks in the country? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 11:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Alt: ... that King Mahasen, who ruled Sri Lanka from 275 to 301 AD, constructed sixteen large tanks including the Minneriya tank, which covers an area of 4670 acres? Chamal ^talk 11:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Zaki Tun Azmi became the Chief Justice of Malaysia after serving just over one year in the superior courts of Malaysia? -- new article self-nom by ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 09:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Article is too short at the moment: 887 characters, needs a minimum of 1500. Bencherlite^Talk 09:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I have expanded the article and modified the hook. ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 16:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Now it's long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the so-called "lobster mushroom" (pictured) is a delicacy created by one fungus, Hypomyces lactifluorum, parasitising another, usually Russula brevipes? - exp 5x by Sasata (talk · contribs), and Casliber (talk · contribs) helped.
  • Expansion and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 13:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty chancellor Xiao Fu incurred Emperor Dezong's displeasure by refusing to exclude fellow chancellors Li Mian and Lu Han on discussions of important matters? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 04:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • (alternative) ... that the Tang Dynasty official Xiao Fu refused to placate the chancellor Wang Jin by offering Wang ancestral property that Wang wanted? --Nlu (talk) 04:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that William David Davies was the first Welsh non-conformist to obtain a Bachelor of Divinity degree from the University of Oxford?
  • (alt) ... that William David Davies refused the offer of a fellowship at the University of Oxford, which required membership of the Church of England, in order to become a Presbyterian minister? -- new article/self-nom. No pressure, but this would be DYK no.25 for me if it makes it... Bencherlite^Talk 02:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres' Jupiter and Thetis (pictured) was painted in 1811 primarily to meet the artist's obligations to the French Academy in Rome; a body famous for the patriarchal attitude that the work seeks to repudiate? Self nom. Ceoil ^sláinte
  • What is "partrical"? Art LaPella (talk) 01:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
    • typo for "patriarchal"; changed. Johnbod (talk) 01:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Hook is too long at 246 characters. Suggest lopping off the appositive at the end, to get:

(alt:) ... that Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres' Jupiter and Thetis (pictured) was painted in 1811 primarily to meet the artist's obligations to the French Academy in Rome? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Prefer Politizer's alt version. Ceoil ^sláinte 03:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The is now supported by the refs given in the article. Nonetheless, since we had to remove "financial obligations" (see User talk:Ceoil#DYK clarification needed for Jupiter and Thetis (Ingres)), it's not kind of unclear what the hook is even talking about. I will leave it up to other editors to decide whether or not it's worth putting up...as it stands now, the hook is factually accurate and technically meets DYK requirements, but might not be considered very "interesting" because of its vagueness. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 15:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the cruise ship MS Astor (pictured) was ordered in 1985 as an ocean liner for Safmarine's United Kingdom–South Africa service, but the service was abandoned before the ship was completed? — article creation and self-comination by — Kjet (talk · contribs) 14:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Rensselaer County, New York, Historical Society uses Troy's Hart-Cluett Mansion (pictured) in their logo? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 20:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that B.P. Newman, a business entrepreneur from Laredo, began operations with a dairy distributorship but branched into restaurants, subdivisions, apartments, and ranches throughout much of Texas?--self-nom, new articleBilly Hathorn (talk) 04:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the World Youth Chess Champion of 2008 Valentina Golubenko (pictured) was forced to play under the Croatian flag despite living all her life in Estonia? -- self-nom by Alex Bakharev (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Golubenko holds Russian citizenship, most sport associations don't allow foreign citizens to represent the flag of the country they happen to reside in (if she really wants to represent Estonia, she is eligible to take out Estonian citizenship if she wishes). An alternative hook could be:

• ... that the World Youth Chess Champion of 2008 Valentina Golubenko (pictured) would rather play under the Croatian flag despite having Russian citizenship? -- alternate proposal by Martintg (talk) 21:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Suggest "would rather play under" --> "played under". Unless we know her state of mind and opinions on this issue. Don't want the hook to sound like she is upset with Russia. Is there enough room to mention "living all her life in Estonia", too? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 17:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that Grandmaster Valentina Golubenko (pictured), the first and only World youth chess champion born and raised in Estonia, is a Russian citizen playing under the Croatian flag? --74.14.18.233 (talk) 17:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the California Milk Processor Board spent US$1.5 million in 2002 to popularize the Latin American drink licuado as a way to promote milk consumption? -- new article by Wikidemon (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 18:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

grammatically, "to popularize licuados, the Latin American drink" works better - if you don't speak Spanish just imagine the word "smoothie" in place of "licuado" to get a sense of the flow. Wikidemon (talk) 18:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 31

• ... that Daniel Mangeas, the main commentator of the Tour de France for 30 years, is known as the talking encyclopedia of cycling because he never uses notes? Article created by User talk:Les woodland. Nom by Autodidactyl (talk) 11:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
  • or ... that Daniel Mangeas, the voice of the Tour de France, commentates on 200 events a year but tries never to speak between races, to preserve his voice? Article created by User talk:Les woodland. Nom by Autodidactyl (talk) 11:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Article technically comes out to 1500 chars, but is almost all quotes, little content. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Zlín International Film Festival for Children and Youth belongs among the oldest film festivals for young audiences worldwide? - created by user Ondreesek, inline citations and nom by Vejvančický (talk) 21:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Length good, hook verified in reference, but both the hook and reference are very vague ("one of the oldest film festivals..." is not very informative). Can you suggest an alternate hook that is more meaningful and interesting? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
    • (alt1) ... that the 2008 Zlín International Film Festival for Children and Youth included over 500 films from 52 countries? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2008-09 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team is in its first season off of scholarship probation following the University of Michigan basketball scandal?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

• That ought to be an endash in the title per WP:DASH, but that'd probably also justify a mass-move of Category:2008-09 NCAA Division I men's basketball season and maybe a lot of other sports seasons. —97198 (talk) 06:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in geometric group theory, a Dehn function is an optimal function associated to a finite group presentation which estimates the area of a relation in that group in terms of the length of that relation? - created by Nsk92 (talk · contribs), nom by BorgQueen (talk) 04:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually, I don't have a single clue about what this means. But then probably the subject cannot be told in a manner that a layperson would understand. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
    • True. This is a rather technical math article and I am not sure if it is suitable for the DYK page (that is why I did not do a self-nom). Nsk92 (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Paducah, Kentucky's Lloyd Tilghman Memorial honors a Marylander, and was built by an English immigrant from Boston? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Alfred D'Orsay Tennyson Dickens, the son of novelist Charles Dickens, died in New York in 1912 while on a lecture tour celebrating the centenary of his father's birth? self nom by Jack1956 (talk) 10:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and hook verified (except for the specific verbage referenced offline). Jamie^☆S93 17:25, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that rather than await execution, Russian anarchist assassin Moishe Tokar doused himself in paraffin from his prison cell lamp and burned himself alive? Self-nom by the skomorokh 23:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Gants Mill is a historic watermill now generating hydroelectric power from the River Brue? - new article, self nom by — Rod ^talk 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Animatrix was the first film incorporating Japanese anime to be nominated for the Annie Award for Best Animated Home Entertainment Production? (self-nomination) — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length and date verified. However, neither of the references you cited say that this is the first anime film to be nominated for the Annie Award for Best Animated Home Entertainment Production. Cunard (talk) 05:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• alt: ... that eight films produced by DisneyToon Studios have been nominated for the Annie Award for Best Animated Home Entertainment Production, more than any other company? — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that many Norwegian political parties opposed the establishment of a State Secretary institution, only to expand the same institution when assuming power? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. The first part of the reference is cited in the article, but I don't see much about the political parties expanding the institution. Could you add that into the article? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 05:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It was there all along, but should be clearer now. Punkmorten (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that fear of ghosts, as well as of other supernatural beings, may be seen as a mechanism of social control? -- self-nom . Laudak (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Since today is Halloween here in the US, may I humbly ask to post it "ahead of the schedule"? Right now it is barely proper size, but I am actively working on it and I am pretty sure other will join. Laudak (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There is some overlap here with phasmophobia, which featured on DYK earlier today. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There is no overlap. Laudak (talk) 01:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

There should not be overlap, but the distinction between fear of ghosts and phasmophobia has not been addressed in the article; I had to add a dablink as a quick fix to try to explain the difference between the two. In any case, the article as it currently stands is not fit to be linked to from the main page, there are major cleanup and content problems that I can't fix in just a couple days; furthermore, the hook itself is POV and has a weasel word. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30

• ... that in 2004, The Hershey Company released three flavors of Snack Barz, a new product, including Chocolate Creme, Peanut Butter, and Marshmallow Creme? -- 5x expanded from this, halloween candy and self nom by Intothewoods29 19:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - In addition to the DYK nom Hershey's Snack Barz, there also is an article named Snack Barz. -- Suntag ☼ 22:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Fixed with redirect. :) Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The Hershey Company references do not seem to be independent of the Snack Barz product. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which suggests using sources that are not very close to the origin of a particular topic. -- Suntag ☼ 00:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I think in this case primary sources might be all right because no original research is involved. "Primary sources are considered reliable for basic statements of fact", in this case the date when the Hershey Company released three flavors of Snack Barz. --Jh12 (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there might be a questionmark over the notability of these products though. Gatoclass (talk) 02:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There are articles on every other Hershey's product, so why not this one? Why wouldn't a specially-named product produced by one of the world's largest chocolate manufacturers be notable? Can I at least have another opinion?Intothewoods29 (talk) 04:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Snack Barz may be a more appropriate name for the article since "There are three varieties, Hershey's Snack Barz, Reese's Snack Barz, and S'mores Snack Barz. ".[4] The DYK rules say that articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators. Usually, that happens when primary sources are used rather than secondary sources. As for material to expand the article, see Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and some of [5][6][7][8][9]. -- Suntag ☼ 16:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I would be shocked if the topic was found to be non-notable in an AFD discussion. I count just under 1700 characters. It needs a history merge for the cut and paste job from Hersey's Snack Bar, so I listed it at WP:HISTMERGE. Royalbroil 17:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Schloss Vollrads claims to be the eldest winery of Germany? Schloss Vollrads is a vineyard site documented since the middle ages within the Rheingau in the space of the collective site Honigberg.-- new article, self-nom by Symposiarch (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Interesting hook, but article has no sources at all. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 01:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
    • fine, I added some...--Symposiarch (talk) 22:24, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• The DYK hook needs to be sourced by a reliable source. Royalbroil 04:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in his 1933 essay In Praise of Shadows, Junichirō Tanizaki includes monastery toilets in his reflections on Japanese aesthetics? (self nom expanded stub) Julia Rossi (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Date and 5x expansion length verified. Do we have an unwritten rule for "Is it okay for an article to use the essay to source most of the article including the DYK fact?" Royalbroil 14:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Byron recorded seeing the "tigers sup" at the Exeter Exchange menagerie in central London owned by Edward Cross (pictured)? -- One pound (talk) 23:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Estelle Reiner′s line—"I'll have what she's having"—after Meg Ryan's filmed fake orgasm was ranked 33rd on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 Greatest Movie Quotes of All Time? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• I know that Wikipedia is not censored, but is this fact appropriate for the main page? Can we find something a bit more tame? Royalbroil 05:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• I think the hook is fine as it is. I mean heck, who isn't familiar with this scene? It was used in the movie trailer. Gatoclass (talk) 15:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Verified, but I probably won't be the one to add it to the next update. Royalbroil 17:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1925 Irish Senate election required a change in the law governing the layout of the ballot, to allow all 76 candidates to be listed? -- new article (moved from User: space on Oct 30) self-nom by jnestorius^(talk) 16:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that St. Louis Browns first baseman Chuck Stevens was the player who delivered the first major league hit off pitching legend Satchel Paige? – New article, self-nominated by MusiCitizen (talk) 16:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I presume Satchel Paige should not be bold jnestorius^(talk) 16:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope Satchel Paige can be expanded 5 times soon. Or it won't qualify--74.13.128.225 (talk) 19:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Unbolded. Expansion is unlikely for the already long article. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Article could use some cleanup/copyedit. Two sections of bulleted items should be prose and naming one section "Fact" is not too good. There are some pretty bad tone issues "he spoiled the story", "playing his typical solid defense" plus various typos/misspellings. Royalbroil 05:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Sri Lanka Air Force lost 57 aircraft during the conflict with Tamil Tiger rebels?--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This conflict is still ongoing. Suggest mentioning "so far" or sth to that effect in the hook. Also suggest checking the news for updates before posting the "57" figure on the main page. Pls also expand the intro. It's rather short. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Too short. The rule states: contain more than 1,500 characters in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables) --BorgQueen (talk) 09:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Ōe Taku

• ... that Ōe Taku (pictured), after spending 12 years in prison for treason, was elected to the lower house in the Diet of Japan in 1890? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 14:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length, creation date and free image verified, hook facts referenced in print accepted on good faith. Jamie^☆S93 17:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the film To Get to Heaven, First You Have to Die, released in 2006, is the only recorded Central Asian film about impotence? LGF1992UK (talk) 00:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Only 845 bytes/162 words of readable prose. Hook is not mentioned in the article. — BillC ^talk 09:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 29

• ... that the Japanese light novel Gakkō no Kaidan tied with Hashitte Kaero! for Enterbrain's eighth Enterbrain Entertainment Awards' excellence award, under the novels section?
  • Alt: ... that when the Japanese light novel series Gakkō no Kaidan was adapted into a live-action film, the gender of the protagonist was changed from male to female? - Created and nominated by Cloud668, fivefold expanded (well if you count only the prose) with Juhachi. -- クラウド６６８ 01:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• There's really nothing in the article to indicate notability. Gatoclass (talk) 09:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see how there's nothing in the article that indicates notability. It satasifies at least WP:BK's criteria number 3 for having a movie adaptation (it only needs to satasify one of the criteria, so it should be fine), it also did win a literary award (number 2), albeit not really major outside of light novel standards. -- クラウド６６８ 16:12, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:BK refers to a notable movie, not just any movie. What evidence is there that the movie made from this book was in any way notable? As for the award, it was made by the same company that published the book. Gatoclass (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right about the movie part, that was my mistake. The book however, was first submitted to the publisher as a draft, and is only published after it won the award, so I am wondering if that would make it pass. -- クラウド６６８ 03:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

See also

• User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).