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*'''Support''' "Criticism and recognition" contains criticism and recognition. Concise, precise and properly cased. What's not to love? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 22:33, [[August 23]], [[2019]] (UTC) |
*'''Support''' "Criticism and recognition" contains criticism and recognition. Concise, precise and properly cased. What's not to love? [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 22:33, [[August 23]], [[2019]] (UTC) |
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August 28
August 28, 2019
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Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Femkemilene (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Brexit is kicking off again and this will intensify as the Halloween deadline approaches. The current action is at Prorogation in the United Kingdom but there's talk of a constitutional crisis and so the matter may move to the courts and elsewhere. Putting Brexit back into Ongoing would be a flexible way of covering developments. Andrew D. (talk) 12:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support. This is clearly going to be a big story, at least for the next couple weeks, if not right up to October 31st. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
August 27
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(Posted) RD: Chen Jiayong
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk · give credit)
- Created by Huangdan2060 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: member of the National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:08, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support – --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:52, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Weak OpposeThe sourcing looks good, but I think the lead needs to be reorganized to give a better explanation of all the reasons he is notable. It currently includes his political work, but not his academic work. Also, his involvement in politics does not seem to be explained in the "Biography" section. Rockphed (talk) 17:34, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - thanks CAPTAIN MEDUSA for nominating this. I was planning to nominate it myself after finishing working on it. It's now done and I think ready for ITN. Also added Huangdan2060 as an updater. -Zanhe (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:57, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 07:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
RD: Pita Paraone
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newshub, Mirage, Scoop
Credits:
- Nominated by Boothsift (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Start-class article, decent sourcing. Politician from New Zealand. BoothSift 06:19, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Weak oppose a few unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 06:58, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support – Added the missing refs. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:35, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Indonesian capital move
Blurb: Indonesian President Joko Widodo announces plans to move the Capital of Indonesia from Jakarta to East Kalimantan (Post)
News source(s): [2] [3] [4], AP, Reuters, Guardian, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: It hasn't "happened" yet, but the process is gradual and going to take 10 years, so nominating now. Banedon (talk) 02:27, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: There are probably only three reasonable possible times for this to go up – either now, when the parliament approves the move, or when it is complete in 10 years or so. — MarkH21 (talk) 03:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'd suggest that it would be reasonable to post this both when Parliament approves it, and when the move is complete. Ten years is a long time. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose announcing plans. Although when concrete decisions are made, this is very notable. Peace time capital transfers are rare, and just off the top of my head are limited to Brazil and Pakistan in recent history.130.233.3.90 (talk) 05:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Don’t forget Myanmar, Kazakhstan, and a host of post-independence sub-Saharan African nations (like Nigeria and the Ivory Coast)! — MarkH21 (talk) 06:44, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- And Belize, and Malaysia, and Proposed new capital of Egypt well under construction (and still not named); it's not as uncommon as you'd think. ‑ Iridescent 07:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Don’t forget Myanmar, Kazakhstan, and a host of post-independence sub-Saharan African nations (like Nigeria and the Ivory Coast)! — MarkH21 (talk) 06:44, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above, wait until a better time-- BoothSift 06:06, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Good faith nom, but wait until it happens (if it does). Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - for now he has plans to move the capital but it hasn't been done. Maybe after it has been moved.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Counterpoint Assuming that editors agree the story is worth posting but only question is when, I'd suggest this may be the stage most likely to be "in the news." Unless opposition is expected, the parliamentary vote may be seen as an "old news" rubber stamping. And the move itself could be quite drawn out. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:29, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- To me, the right point to post something lke this is when all government bodies needed have voted/signed off to initiate the process, making it a sure thing to happen. Yes, the move may take years, and when the move is formally completed that also may be ITN. And there also may be lawsuits or other citizen actions that slow it down or stall it. Comparing this to business news, this would like posting when two companies have obtained their shareholders' votes to merge being the point to post, but before necessary regulatory action to approve it. --Masem (t) 13:44, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support – A sprawling megalopolis of 10 million to lose its status as the capital of a far-flung country of 260 million? That's big news in anyone's book. (Four sources added above.) – Sca (talk) 14:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support I believe this is the time to post. Does anyone know how long the formalities will take? If it's a few weeks, then we could wait, but as GCG said, this is the point when the most eyes will be on this story. Davey2116 (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Looking at the Jakarta post article, this still needs to be formalized into a bill and pass the Indonesian legislature. That is the time to post. Rockphed (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support
We can't wait until 2030 to publish this story.It's a presidential executive decision in a presidential system: in April he decided to do it, and now he decides to where it will move (between North Penajam Paser and Kutai Kartanegara, near Balikpapan and Samarinda). For anyone who has read sources, the urgency is clear: crowded Jakarta is sinking. The next big steps are the name, the bill annex budget (now $33 bn), the start of construction (2020), the start of relocation (2024) and the end of relocation (around 2030). The Vice President just today announced that Parliament needs to detail the plan and approve it [5], but is there a hint of a political opposing voice yet? (Did anyone express any serious argument yet – except those into orangutan and rainforest conservation activism – however orangutans can't vote and indigenous people weren't consulted?) I'm unhappy to say it, but I'd consider it almost a done thing. Wakari07 (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC) Update: I found exactly one dissenting voice in parliament, in the Nikkei Asian Review. It prudently called last week not to "throw away money only for the sake of something unclear, only for the sake of reputation". Wakari07 (talk) 00:17, 28 August 2019 (UTC) - Oppose. Wait until the Indonesian legislature approves the move. Calidum 20:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose we don't post "announcements of plans". The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:34, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per above comments on how it would be more appropriate to post this as a news item once the plan is actually approved. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 00:00, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Wait until it actually happens. Mjroots (talk) 06:34, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
- Wait - I am not opposing it but Wait. This will not be realised until 2024 and a lot can happen until then.BabbaQ (talk) 06:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
RD: Isabel Toledo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Cuban-American fashion designer (whose clients included Michelle Obama) dies at age 59. Short article, more refs needed. Davey2116 (talk) 02:23, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – I have tagged the issues I found. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose too much work to do at this time. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
RD: Pal Benko
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times obit
Credits:
- Nominated by IntoThinAir (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: A fair number of unsourced statements that will of course need to be addressed before posting; NYT obit may help with this. IntoThinAir (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- You appear to have been reverted. It does need more references though. The "Notable Games" section may be an issue as well as it's not clear in such sections what selection criteria are being used.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose too much unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
RD: Gavin Watson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC, News24
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Discott (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Watson was implicated in the ongoing South African State Capture controversy. He was the CEO of Bosasa, a company that bribed senior government officials. Article is currently being expanded. Lefcentreright (talk) 17:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – This is a stub in disguise (Early life, some criminal implications? and death). Also uses a primary source redacted court document (Ref #1) and an unreliable (Ref #2). This is not a BIO. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support seems fine to me - we've posted way worse. Primary sources are not inherently objectionable, and the claim tied to ref #2 is covered by the many secondary sources cited. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:46, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - seems decent enough for RD,BabbaQ (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per C&C, it's not sufficient in depth to cover the whole career, just a section on some purported criminal activity is undue and doesn't constitute a suitable biography for main page inclusion. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:00, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
P. V. Sindhu
Blurb: P.V. Sindhu wins the World Badminton Championships and becomes the first Indian to win the World title. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In badminton, the BWF World Championships conclude with Kento Momota winning the men's singles and P. V. Sindhu winning the women's singles.
News source(s): Times of India ,India Today News18
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:00, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support (both blurbs) The only event of its kind in Badminton. BWF is the sole international badminton org with 191 member countries. BBC also covered the event. --DBigXrayᗙ 06:27, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - The BWF World Championships consist of men's and women's singles and men's, women's and mixed doubles events; why is the winner of women's singles event the only one mentioned? Also, is being the first <nationality> at winning something enough to warrant mention in ITN? - Vishal dh (talk) 06:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose the event is ITNR, and the target should be 2019 BWF World Championships which is pretty woeful. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:17, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose If we target the athlete, I don't think this sort of thing merits being posted on ITN. The event article, which should be the target, has 2 sentences of text and 3 pages of tables. Even if the article gets fixed, I would only support the alt blurb. Rockphed (talk) 13:07, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment – The BWF article is not an article – "a piece of writing" – in the usual sense, and not suitable as a target. I leave the nominated target, P.V. Sindhu, to our seasoned corps of sports cognoscenti to judge. – Sca (talk) 13:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose I think that it is appropriate here to use the event as the featured article (alt blurb), but unfortunately I think it's fairly underdeveloped and not fit to be featured, per The Rambling Man mike_gigs. (talk) 16:52, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Per others -- BoothSift 06:06, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
August 25
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RD: Ferdinand Piëch
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Business Today
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 06:41, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, the biography section still needs some sourcing. Zwerg Nase (talk) 08:41, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose looks comprehensive but sorely lacking in references. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gary Ray Bowles
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6] [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - good to go.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
MaybeWhat's that "2" stuck to footnote 5? If it's cool, so am I. But if not, out with it! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:57, August 25, 2019 (UTC)
- InedibleHulk, the reference 5 has 7 pages. The "2" tells what page it is from. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 22:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- It's a rare format on Wikipedia. Refer to Help:References_and_page_numbers#Inline_page_numbers.—Bagumba (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- That makes sense. Tidier than using three direct links. Good to go! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:00, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- Support sadly no reason not to post. Not the world's biggest fan of promoting capital punishment, but we have no policy around that, so it's good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 02:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
August 24
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(Posted) RD: Arun Jaitley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: C Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 07:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Strong Support: Between 1999-2019, He is either cabinet minister of Union government or leader of opposition in parliament of India. Very remarkable politician. --Pavan santhosh.s (talk) 09:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support: per above very notable politican.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Pavan santhosh.s Pharaoh of the Wizards Please note that notability is not at issue for Recent Deaths nominations; the only purpose of this discussion is to judge article quality. 331dot (talk) 10:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- I know after the RFC only the quality of the article and just giving my support briefly.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:31, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Pharaoh of the Wizards, 331dot wants you to talk about the article quality (or problems if any) which you haven't yet done. any comment that underlines the notability is useless here, this isn't AfD. cheers. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks I agree with you have updated the lead.Will be precise in futurePharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- 331dot Pharaoh of the Wizards Thanks for the suggestion. Will stick to that in future. --Pavan santhosh.s (talk) 11:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose at the moment.It's mostly there, but there are some unsourced claims (Vajpayee Govt section), some problematic grammar (" He demitted the office of the Minister for Shipping with effect from 1 September 2001 and as Union Minister of Law, Justice and Company Affairs on 1 July 2002 to join as a General Secretary of the BJP and its national spokesman"?) The last paragraph of the 2004-2014 section looks like we're criticising Jaitley in Wikipedia's voice. Some parts aren't clear to anyone not familiar with Indian politics ("he played a vital role during the talks of the Women Reservation Bill in the Rajya Sabha and also supported Anna Hazare for the Jan Lokpal Bill" or "On June 20, 2017, he reaffirmed that the GST rollout is well and truly on track."). Black Kite (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Working to fix above, Black Kite, thanks for the review. regards--DBigXrayᗙ 11:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Fixed --DBigXrayᗙ 13:16, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support good enough now, I think. Black Kite (talk) 18:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - per Pavan santhosh.s --Ashok
Talk 17:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - influential politician. Article is well sourced. -Zanhe (talk) 18:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:20, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Damascus airstrike (August 2019)
Blurb: The Israeli air force struck in Damascus, Syria to prevent an Iranian force from launching an attack on Israel with drones. (Post)
News source(s): theguardian, haaretz, timesofisrael
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Saff V. (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Full Media coverage such as Israeli source (Time of Israel and haaretz), Fox new, Guardian, BBC and So on, The air strike in the Middle East between influential governments of the region including Israel, Syria and Iran. Saff V. (talk) 11:35, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Bellow ITN-level threshold. Also, no blurb, which at least would serve as an attempt to establish overall significance. El_C 11:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Doesn't suggest any level of human injury to a great degree, and otherwise par for the course for countries in that part of the world. --Masem (t) 14:06, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per above on notability, and per the problematic wording of the proposed blurb (would Iran really have started dronebombing Israel if it weren't for Israel attacking the capital of Syria first??? that may not be how it's intended to be read, but that's what the wording currently seems to suggest) Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:59, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Not even an attempt at neutral point of view with respect to the blurb's wording and sources from one side only. On notability, Israel admits to hundreds (NYT) or thousands (JC) of air strikes in Syria alone. It sounds strange to me that this blurb was proposed after Israel's unprovoked drone attack last night in Lebanon, a first since 2006 [8]. I mean, how far can you push WP:BIAS? Wakari07 (talk) 22:57, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
- Call me biased, but if there's one thing neater than a drone crashing where it shouldn't possibly have, it's two of them. If somebody nominates this one, I'm for it. But I'm neutral on whether someone totally should. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:48, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- Given that the Beirut attack was the first of its kind since the 2006 Lebanon War, I do see a stronger argument for the notability of that attack than this one. Of course, its proposed blurb would need to lack the glaring POV issues that this one has, but I'm much more inclined to support such a nomination on its merits. The target article for the attack in Lebanon doesn't appear to have any quality issues (aside from how short it currently is). Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:05, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Call me old-fashioned and ignorant, but are we talking intentional Zionist robot kamikaze here or accidental double plane crash? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:26, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- If you're asking about whether it was purposeful or an accident, it's anyone's guess. What we know is that multiple drones flew into Lebanese airspace, crashed into suburbs, and exploded; what we don't know is whether or not Israel intended for that to happen, because they won't comment on it when asked. I still don't have any strong opinions (despite how I'm more open to it than I am with the Syria attack), but it appears that nobody was hurt. Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:43, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- In the meanwhile, I've removed the "attack" parts. When we know, we'll know. If we don't, we won't. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:56, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- If a white supremacist's drone ends up exploding next to my head, how likely is it that it would be judged an accident? Wakari07 (talk) 05:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- I largely agree with your sentiment there; the only thing that seems to be ambiguous is who/where the intended target was. It's certainly not ambiguous as to whether or not the Israeli military intended to conduct strikes. We just don't know if the drones crashing into buildings how Israel intended to use them. That aspect of the story very well could have been an accident. I would not recommend removing "attack" from the articles. Vanilla Wizard 💙 06:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know how or why white supremacists would use expensive drones to hurt you, and I don't know why the first one here didn't explode if it was supposed to (or why the next one did if it wasn't). I just know no sources in the article even suggested an attack when I reflected them. Now some do, so it arguably makes some sense to buy what they're selling. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- My one drone-minding acquaintance told me the parts needed to build a 5-kg-carrying quadcopter would cost around 1000 € (Is it plausibly deniable for Israel to eventually involve itself in an experimental "low-budget" military swarming operation?). Hezbollah claimed today that the "reconnaissance" thing that fell on their roof carried about that much explosives [9][10]. Then nobody claimed the pair flew straight from Israel. As for the possible motive, here is an interesting one, though the source may be disputed. Now "some Hebrew media" add oil to the fire: [11] that's talk sourced to Channel 13 (Israel) about claims to having destroyed a "planetary mixer" – or whatever. Regards. Wakari07 (talk) 21:09, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't know how or why white supremacists would use expensive drones to hurt you, and I don't know why the first one here didn't explode if it was supposed to (or why the next one did if it wasn't). I just know no sources in the article even suggested an attack when I reflected them. Now some do, so it arguably makes some sense to buy what they're selling. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- I largely agree with your sentiment there; the only thing that seems to be ambiguous is who/where the intended target was. It's certainly not ambiguous as to whether or not the Israeli military intended to conduct strikes. We just don't know if the drones crashing into buildings how Israel intended to use them. That aspect of the story very well could have been an accident. I would not recommend removing "attack" from the articles. Vanilla Wizard 💙 06:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- If a white supremacist's drone ends up exploding next to my head, how likely is it that it would be judged an accident? Wakari07 (talk) 05:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- In the meanwhile, I've removed the "attack" parts. When we know, we'll know. If we don't, we won't. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:56, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- If you're asking about whether it was purposeful or an accident, it's anyone's guess. What we know is that multiple drones flew into Lebanese airspace, crashed into suburbs, and exploded; what we don't know is whether or not Israel intended for that to happen, because they won't comment on it when asked. I still don't have any strong opinions (despite how I'm more open to it than I am with the Syria attack), but it appears that nobody was hurt. Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:43, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Call me old-fashioned and ignorant, but are we talking intentional Zionist robot kamikaze here or accidental double plane crash? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:26, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
- Given that the Beirut attack was the first of its kind since the 2006 Lebanon War, I do see a stronger argument for the notability of that attack than this one. Of course, its proposed blurb would need to lack the glaring POV issues that this one has, but I'm much more inclined to support such a nomination on its merits. The target article for the attack in Lebanon doesn't appear to have any quality issues (aside from how short it currently is). Vanilla Wizard 💙 03:05, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Call me biased, but if there's one thing neater than a drone crashing where it shouldn't possibly have, it's two of them. If somebody nominates this one, I'm for it. But I'm neutral on whether someone totally should. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:48, August 26, 2019 (UTC)
August 23
August 23, 2019
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(Posted) RD: David Koch
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
- Nominated by SoWhy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MrSunshine01 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
SoWhy 13:05, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Was just about to nominate this myself. Significant person in American business and politics. No CN tags, no big tags pbp 13:50, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Article looks pretty good, but is still mostly written in the present tense. The biggest problem I have with it is the "Criticism and recognition" section title; the section seems fine, I just think the title is a little off (though I have no idea for a better one). Also, the personal life section has a claim that isn't referenced about his being on a flight that crashed (on the ground it seems). I'm not sure if it is encyclopedic or not and it doesn't seem contentious, so I let it stand. Rockphed (talk) 14:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- I've added 2 sources for the plane crash. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Definitely notable enough. Jokullmusic 19:12, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support "Criticism and recognition" contains criticism and recognition. Concise, precise and properly cased. What's not to love? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:33, August 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 22:44, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
RD: Sheila Steafel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7401121/Actress-Sheila-Steafel-dies-aged-84-bravely-battling-leukemia.html
Credits:
- Nominated by JediLofty (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Popular British actress -- JediLofty Talk to meFollow me 13:05, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
August 22
August 22, 2019
(Thursday)
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RD: Junior Agogo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – Sourcing issues including the stats in infobox. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment He really isn't a very well known football player, I thought about posting this here, but decided against it because nothing really stood out in his career apart from sadly he died really young. Govvy (talk) 10:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:36, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I didn't mean to be rude, I just thought that Agogo wasn't notable enough for inclusion, his page is a little bit messy and a lot of content could probably be added. As for stats in the info box, they are covered by the soccerbase external links. Govvy (talk) 10:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't think you were being rude, I simply pointed you to the fact that notability is assumed, quality is all that's important. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: I didn't mean to be rude, I just thought that Agogo wasn't notable enough for inclusion, his page is a little bit messy and a lot of content could probably be added. As for stats in the info box, they are covered by the soccerbase external links. Govvy (talk) 10:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Under-sourced. There are no citations for his career in the US or for Bristol Rovers. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:47, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Pawnkingthree. C'mon! Basic, basic stuff here!--WaltCip (talk) 12:13, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tim Fischer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Inter&anthro (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former deputy PM of Australia. Fought at Coral and Balmoral in Vietnam. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Weak opposea few unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:54, 22 August 2019 (UTC)- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support: Just got rid of the last couple of "citation needed" tags. HiLo48 (talk) 10:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support comprehensive, duly updated and well referenced. JennyOz (talk) 10:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment still good to go 8 hours later. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I'll bet the recent death of a US Vice-President wouldn't just sit in here in a ready but unposted state for 11 hours. Wikipedia's inherent bias against things in "unimportant" places is fully on display here. HiLo48 (talk) 21:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment still good to go 11 hours later. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
August 21
August 21, 2019
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RD: Celso Piña
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPost
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Mexican accordionist. Needs lots of sourcing TLC to get this in postable shape. Masem (t) 13:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Russ Conway (journalist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star
Credits:
- Nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Pulitzer prize winner finalist, Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Correction: He was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, but did not win. However, he was honored with the Elmer Ferguson Memorial Award, which is the journalist's equivalent of the Hockey Hall of Fame. Flibirigit (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Flibirigit, corrected. It doesnt matter for this discussion though. Cheers.--DBigXrayᗙ 16:39, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support: Everything in the article looks reasonably well-referenced, although I did see a slight over-reliance on references #1 and #5 (as 45% of the citations in the article link to one of those two refs, out of 14 total sources). I don't think that's a problem in terms of the article's nomination to RD, but I figured it was worth mentioning just in case. TheHardestAspectOfCreatingAnAccountIsAlwaysTheUsername 18:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support – non-traditional style (for section heading) but that is not a concern for ITN. Sourcing is good and not reliant on a single source. Note that Houston & Shoalts is also used, so there are actually 3+ dominant reliable sources. That is more than enough. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Well done, at least well referenced. Good to go IMO--BoothSiftTalks 02:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:55, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment still good to go 12 hours later. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Comment still good to go 15 hours later. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
RD: Giovanni Buttarelli
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Politico
Credits:
- Nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Start Class article with good sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:35, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – Majority unreferenced and external links in the body. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:30, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is mostly unreferenced. --BoothSiftTalks 02:29, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Babulal Gaur
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Start Class article. Sourcing needs work Now excellent sourcing. Elected 10 times, ex CM. Stated "Drinking is a fundamental right", so he was my kind of man. DBigXrayᗙ 06:07, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose As you say, sourcing needs work. It looks like 2/3 of the article is not footnoted. Also, I hope "His education qualification was B.A. LLB" can be expanded.SupportRockphed (talk) 12:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The sourcing definitely needs work at this moment. --BoothSiftTalks 02:28, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Issues have been fixed, Needs a fresh review.--DBigXrayᗙ 06:03, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
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