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Lewiston shootings

Article: 2023 Lewiston shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, at least twenty-two people are killed and over fifty are injured in a mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NBC News
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 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Nfitz: The first one you mentioned was conducted by Islamist militants, the second was by the Burkina Faso Armed Forces. Maine isn't a war zone, here we have one person who killed more people than the state of Maine sees in a year in regard to homicides. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:42, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Granted, it's an event of very poor taste. But the point of Nfitz still stands. Bedivere (talk) 02:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm sorry, but what point is that? Are we going to have a "deaths" quota that must be met for it to be included here? Not even the 2017 Las Vegas shooting (worst shooting ever in the USA) was in the triple digits. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not commenting on whether or not we should add this to ITN as I'm too close to this situation to be objective (see username). But to me, ITN on English Wikipedia is always going to be inherently biased towards events such as this in English-speaking countries over non-English-speaking countries, because the news we rely on to source ITN is predominantly English-speaking and our users are predominantly English-speaking. This is going to be more directly relevant to our readers on English Wikipedia than tragedies in Mali and Burkina Faso. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 03:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, this is currently front-page news on BBC and The Guardian, below their coverage of the Israel-Hamas War and ahead of their coverage on the US House Speaker election. It is also currently front page on Le Monde's French website and El Pais's Spanish website. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 03:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with you about the bias, but this should be for a broader community discussion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    They are going to give a press conference soon with updates. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You definitely have a point about the systemic bias of Wikipedia, but this isn't a perfect comparison. September 2023 Mali attacks is not anywhere near ITN quality. Karma massacre was created nine days after the event occured, when the news cycle was moving away. Wikipedia is definitely flawed, with a Western-centric slant, but this isn't holding up as a reason to oppose blurbing this particular item. Bremps... 03:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support This one is exceptionally bad even for a shooting in the USA. The fact that the perpetrator is still at large means this is especially pertinent. Bremps... 02:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How many times have we heard that?
Let's see how the death toll goes past 16. I doubt it will exceed 30. It's all too common. Nfitz (talk) 03:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it did go past 16 (22 as of writing). Judging by the amount of injured, there is definitely a possibility of the death toll reaching 30. Bremps... 03:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support. This is already monumental for the time and place, and it is almost a certainty that the death toll will rise further in the coming hours, given the number of wounded. BD2412 T 02:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - yes, shootings are more common here in the US than in much of the rest of the world, but 22+ people killed are still very rare. This also happened in part of the country that has a very low homicide rate. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - people are likely looking for this, it emphasizes Wikipedia's dynamism, and for those who aren't aware, will easily hook them, or 3 points out of WP:ITNPURPOSE. 72+ casualties is rare, even for an American shooting— Knightoftheswords 03:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because ITN editors refused to post the Nashville school shooter "per ITN precedent with respect to shooting geography". One would assume the precedent stands. JM2023 (talk) 03:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Nashville shooting had eight casualties, this one has at least 70 (and possibly climbing). Bremps... 03:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Er, the casualities are only 22, not 70 (we don't include wounded) Masem (t) 03:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I guess, but we also blurbed Robb Elementary School shooting which had the same amount of deaths (assuming the toll from this one does not increase). So we would have a precedent for posting this one. Bremps... 03:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Support Death toll is high, we posted Uvalde which has the same death count but obviously that's different since that one was a school shooting. Yes it's the United States but 20+ deaths is rare even here. Jbvann05 03:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rare? Surely there's already been one already this century! That's hardly rare. Nfitz (talk) 03:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ITN isn't solely for once in a century events. The Nobel Prize wouldn't be blurbed, as its annual. Neither would US Presidential elections and the Olympics, as they are every four years. Bremps... 03:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In a country of 330,000,000+, Yes, mass shootings like this are rare. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 03:56, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per Knowledgekid87 Maine does not see such high amounts of homicides.
Merlinsorca 06:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Johnson elected Speaker of the House

  • The current four blurbs are all elections of some sort and all internal politics for particular countries too. The speaker election seems more significant than all of them because it has more impact on the global financial system and ongoing conflicts like Gaza and Ukraine. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The other elections are a result of public elections, while this was just, effectively, a body of about 220 ppl (the GOP) finally agreeing for one position that is not publicly elected. Masem (t) 22:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The details of the process are not important – different places have different methods such as coups and we still post them. What matters is that we have a result which is more significant than the failed referendum in Australia, for example. That happened over 10 days ago and so is quite stale now. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A constitutional amendment referendum of a major democracy, even a failed one, is more important than the appointment of a presiding officer of one chamber of a bicameral legislature in the middle of a congressional incarnation. While "Internal Politics" is not a reason to not blurb something and actually goes against two different guidelines (ITNR and the other one against opposing things for being non-international), internal house of representatives politics to elect a presiding officer who is nothing close to a head of state or government is not significant enough for ITN. JM2023 (talk) 03:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How does the replacement of one GOP presiding officer with another GOP presiding officer have significant impact on the global financial system? This isn't a Fed chairman or a president. JM2023 (talk) 03:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This Republican is so crazy he makes his predecessor look sane. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:55, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Very helpful, simply calling the new officer extremely crazy and giving 0 further explanation. that really helps me see that this could drastically alter the global financnial system. JM2023 (talk) 06:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If this event were to take place in any other country, editors would have the common sense to resist the urge to nominate it for ITN, because it's just about politicians choosing someone for a particular role, and not the result of a public election, nor relating to the head of the executive branch. The fact this story happened in the US does not make it any more important. Chrisclear (talk) 22:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - it's a bit too wonkish for me. Nfitz (talk) 23:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and snow close at this point as well, parliamentary speakership isnt ITN worthy.✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  23:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except that in spite of the similar title, this position is not analogous to positions such as Speaker of the House of Commons; even a brief overview of their selection, powers, & traditional role does indicate that the closest parallel in Westminster-style systems is in fact Prime Minister. The United States is fairly unusual for straying far from that system, so it lacks a single unitary leader. This is particularly noteworthy as the United States can thus have a "split government" (as it does now) where different houses are held by different parties. - Nottheking (talk) 23:57, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      except that a Prime Minister is also chief executive in the executive branch, chairman of the Cabinet, appointer of the rest of the ministers and parliamentary secretaries (giving them way more control over the legislators through patronage), and strong leader of the always more powerful lower house or unicameral parliament.
      compared to an American speaker who only has power over the less powerful lower house through control of the whip and the agenda.
      a prime minister and an American speaker are even less parallel than an American speaker and a Westminster speaker. JM2023 (talk) 03:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Much less newsworthy than the removal of the Speaker, which was posted. One story on this internal political maneuvering is enough. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support on Principle, Oppose on Quality We released the Kevin McCarthy's ousting to ITN, so I feel like we should have some closure on the circumstance. However, the article's in rough shape for ITN though. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose on Principle, Oppose on Quality The removal of a Speaker (de facto a fractional Head of Government for the weird, very un-Westminster style of government the United States uses) was indeed very unusual, noteworthy, and newsworthy. However, the selection of a new speaker, while briefly news, is much less unusual. We can compare this to elections: in nominal circumstance, a new government forming in any country isn't noteworthy, as instead the event that is newsworthy is the preceding election that elected said legislature. (that then formed a government)
The only real exception to this is when the outcome of government formation isn't considered "obvious" to the media & other sources. (e.g, a very fragmented election that requires an unpredictable coalition be formed) However in this case, the Republicans had a majority, and it was probably inevitable that they'd pick a Speaker that they could agree upon. I could have seen it being ITN-worthy had this been a particularly bizarre outcome, (such as accidentally electing Hakeem Jeffries) but "The Republican majority successfully picks one of their own as a new leader" is much more ho-hum than that. - Nottheking (talk) 00:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per all above. As someone who opposed the McCarthy blurb, at least that could be justified by being the first time it’d happened in a very long time; this, however, is your average internal political event. The Kip 01:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support. Ascension of the head of a coequal branch of one of the largest governments in the world. While the presidency gets more attention, this is on par with a new president taking office in the middle of the term. BD2412 T 02:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a general election, not a head of state, not a head of government, not even the head of a unicameral legislature. And we already did the removal. Not significant enough at all . JM2023 (talk) 03:12, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Good-faith nom. I feel we are opening a Pandora's box of non-heads of state being blurbed. This really only pertains to one party of one chamber getting their act together.

Hurricane Otis

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Article: Hurricane Otis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Otis (satellite image pictured) makes landfall at Category 5 intensity near Acapulco, Mexico (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Otis (satellite image pictured) landfalls near Acapulco, Mexico becoming the first known Category 5 East Pacific landfall.
News source(s): New York Times, The Washington PostBBC
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Nominator's comments: A completely unexpected "nightmare scenario" as this storm went from possibly making landfall as a minor hurricane to becoming the first Category 5 on record (1949 to present) to strike the Pacific coast of Mexico. Its core struck Acapulco directly in the middle of the night. Reports of damage are starting to trickle out, but a Category 5 striking a major metropolitan area is not a common occurrence. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 14:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the damage is reported to see how significant it is. JM2023 (talk) 15:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait – Same reasoning as above. This probably deserves it, but I'd like a little more info on the effects from reliable sources first. Penitentes (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For a few hours yet, communications are still cut in the area (electricity out, cell service out, etc), which happens regularly with the worst disasters. Acapulco is fairly well connected, however, so news will probably start coming in later on Wednesday. This time we are not looking at a days-long Lac-Mégantic silence (which led many ITN editors at the time to think nothing significant had happened). Incidentally, the next two ISS orbits will take it almost directly over the area, starting in about an hour. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Not going to oppose since this almost certainly will warrant posting, but we need to know a lot more on the impact.
Noah, AATalk 17:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for the initial reports, although I would certainly support this blurb as this is truly unprecedented for this part of Mexico (although we already saw this intensification rate with Hurricane Patricia 8 years ago, that hurricane did not hit a major metropolitan area.) It will take days/weeks to know the full scale of the damage, but once the preliminary situation reports get released, I think it would be right to post this event to ITN. Vida0007 (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 24

October 24, 2023 (2023-10-24) (Tuesday)

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RD: Richard Roundtree

Article: Richard Roundtree (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor best known for playing Shaft. Article is miles away from being postable with lack of sourcing throughout. Masem (t) 02:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the man that will fix this article? Kirill C1 (talk) 16:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Shaft! 2601:199:4180:B980:1CF5:B0C6:565B:6D55 (talk) 01:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Tej

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Article: Cyclone Tej (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Tej makes landfall in Yemen near the Oman–Yemen border (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cyclone Tej leaves at least 2 Dead, 150 Injured, and 10,000 Displaced in Yemen
News source(s): Nasa, [1], [2], [3], [4]
Credits:

 Abo Yemen✉ 12:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

support i dont ever see hurricanes in this area, and considering that its right next to yemen and somalia, 2 of the most wartorn countries on earth, this could cause thousands of deaths Lukt64 (talk) 12:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cyclones hitting the Arabian Peninsula is hardly rare. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: While the article has been expanded, there are still many problems with the article. A tag has been placed that the article is missing information after the storm was named. Also, the cyclone appears to have dissipated as it's no longer tracked by the IMD and JTWC. I'd still support Wait until the full damage from the cyclone becomes clear. If the damage and deaths were minimal, I'd oppose, as that would not be notable enough to be posted. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 13:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Not seeing a reason to post this at this time. Landfall is not sufficient for an ITN posting.
Noah, AATalk 14:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose barring any serious death toll. Flooding is a natural result of any of these types of storm systems, but the effects seem rather limited even in this case. --Masem (t) 00:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Landfall is not significant, effects are not yet fully known. Also the alt blurb has four grammatical errors. JM2023 (talk) 15:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Three minor capitalization errors (on a par with German nouns), readily fixable.
I agree that the Arabian Peninsula is becoming a downright common place for cyclones. However, they are extremely rare as far south as Yemen, although Yemen also happens to be particularly vulnerable due to continued (proxied) civil war. The terrain is conducive to landslides; but the current difficulty is mostly (desert-style) heavy rain and flooding. Different scale, but at landfall wind speeds made it somewhere between a category 1 and 2. Cyclone Chapala was stronger at landfall, and had a somewhat similar track at landfall, thankfully also avoiding major cities. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
i am almost certain you meant to reply this paragraph to Lukt64 at the top and not me. JM2023 (talk) 18:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ricardo Iorio

Article: Ricardo Iorio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nación, Clarín, Infobae
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The most important heavy metal artist from Argentina, and perhaps South America. A career from the early 1980s to this day, and leader of 3 different big bands. Cambalachero (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

support dont know much about them, but the article seems pretty well sourced. Lukt64 (talk) 20:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 23

October 23, 2023 (2023-10-23) (Monday)

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RD: Bill Kenwright

Article: Bill Kenwright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Everton chairman Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bishan Singh Bedi

Article: Bishan Singh Bedi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Fahads1982 (talk) 11:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Unitary Platform presidential primaries

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Consensus will clearly not develop and WP:SNOW close. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2023 Unitary Platform presidential primaries (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Financial Times, El País
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Nominator's comments: Primary elections of the Venezuelan opposition. First presidential primaries in eleven years, important international coverage. --NoonIcarus (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC) NoonIcarus (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We don't have a habit of covering similar primaries, and I don't believe it to be globally shaking enough to make an exception just yet - especially with how lopsided the results seem to be. River10000 (talk) 19:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Probably belongs in ITN. It is just not important enough for Ongoing. Lukt64 (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not even there. We don't post primary elections. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:05, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm well aware it would be uncommon, but it's one of the reasons why I highlighted the relevancy of these ones and how important they are for Venezuela. I understand if there's still opposition, though. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

October 22

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(Posted) RD: Charles E. Young

Article: Charles E. Young (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-10-22/charles-young-obit
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Long-time chancellor at UCLA. Natg 19 (talk) 21:07, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vincent Asaro

Article: Vincent Asaro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Daily News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American mobster. Article looks in decent shape. Tails Wx 02:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Samantha Woll

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Subject is currently at AfD WP:NAC. 04:32, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Samantha Woll (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: President of the Isaac Agree Downtown Synagogue in Detroit, who was murdered on 21 October. - SchroCat (talk) 12:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have initial concerns with this and BLP1E - while her life is being documented in wake of her tragic death, lack of sourcing before her death is a problem. Masem (t) 12:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am also unconvinced that she was notable before her death; I suspect that if an article had been constructed prior to that, it would probably have been redirected to the synagogue article should it have gone to AfD. Black Kite (talk) 13:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Betsy Rawls

Article: Betsy Rawls (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN & ABC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: A four-time winner of the US Women's Open SchroCat (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Swiss federal election

Article: 2023 Swiss federal election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Swiss People's Party, led by Marco Chiesa, expands its plurality in the Swiss National Council. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Swiss People's Party, which campaigned on opposing immigration, expands its plurality in the Swiss National Council.
News source(s): Bloomberg, Reuters, Associated Press, Financial Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The 2023 Swiss federal election received much media coverage because of its results. 1990'sguy (talk) 13:24, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, though should also contain a piece of info about the grand coalition cabinet that the Swiss are basically permanently stuck in. The blurb can be seen as a bit deceiving.
River10000 (talk) 15:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a note, the election for Switzerland's Federal Council will occur on December 13. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pointing this out. I just updated the percentages. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ITNR, maybe a bit light on prose, but should have more citations. some paragraphs have nothing cited. JM2023 (talk) 15:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 21

October 21, 2023 (2023-10-21) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: Bobi

Article: Bobi (dog) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Confirmed as longest recorded living dog, article is short but not a stub and reasonably well sourced Josey Wales Parley 12:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is sufficient. There is one outstanding cn tag though, and I would like to see that fixed before it hits the main page. Bremps... 00:40, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed! Mooonswimmer 16:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD/Blurb: Bobby Charlton

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Article: Bobby Charlton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  English footballer Bobby Charlton dies at the age of 86. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NYT, Al Jazeera, DW, France 24, CNN, BBC, CBS
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Nominator's comments: A lot of work needed on sourcing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb. One of the greatest players of all time. The only winning captain of England, winner of European Cup, record holder for Manchester United. Obvious blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not to take away from someone who achieved a lot more than I ever will, but Charlton didn't captain England in 1966, that was Bobby Moore. Charlton also lived to see his records broken for England appearances (by Moore in his own career) and goals (by Wayne Rooney and then Harry Kane), and Manchester United appearances (Giggs) and goals (Rooney). Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See Guardian obit for impact. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/21/sir-bobby-charlton-obituary Kirill C1 (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One Guardian obit does not establish blurb-worthiness. It would need a lot more coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We're discussing all aspects but I didn't get into the RD/blurb issue for those other languages because those details vary. For example, the German posting is "Bobby Charlton (86), englischer Fußballspieler († 21. Oktober)" while the French have "Bobby Charlton (photo)". These provide more details than an English RD and so are better. But my point was not the level of detail but the fact that most of those other languages have posted the news in a timely fashion. Presumably they are not hampered by the toxic process that we have here, which makes a battleground out of a simple announcement. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The German Wikipedia does that for every RD they post, as you would have seen by the fact that the other 4 RD's right next to it also have the same type of shortdesc. The French Wikipedia also adds "photo" to every RD that is currently a photo. That is not details varying, that's just different RD formats, which is irrelevant to the discussion here. AryKun (talk) 18:10, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb on notability. JM2023 (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So being a World famous player and World Cup winner isn't notable enough? Perhaps he should have played baseball or Gridiron. 91.125.140.227 (talk) 21:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless you're at least a current head of state or major political figure then you're not notable enough. I wouldn't even blurb Jimmy Carter. Do not strawman me. JM2023 (talk) 14:58, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Appreciate we won't be adding a blurb but it's now overdue an RD. Conay (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - per my previously expressed view that people who are the subject of full length in depth obituaries in multiple sources in multiple countries merit a blurb. NYT, WaPo, The Times (London), Le Monde. Sources around the world view Bobby Charlton's passing as a news story worthy of significant space, so should we. And for the record, I had never heard of him prior to my NYT news alert, but, as ever, my own experiences are not the basis for inclusion or exclusion here. nableezy - 21:33, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb considered one of the greatest of all time, with 200+ goals and a World Cup, he deserves his own blurb, RIP Kanyewestlover999 (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Depending on who you ask, Sir Bobby Charlton is somewhere between the 20th and 30th best football player of all time. While talented and mourned, he doesn't reach the level needed for a blurb, as that tends to be reserved for the GOAT in a field, or at least the greatest of their generation. Blurbing Bobby Charlton would be on par with blurbing Gale Sayers in the NFL, Tom Seaver in baseball, Bobby Clarke in ice hockey, or Allan Border in cricket. While I'd agree that bigger sports have a stronger claim to cultural relevance and therefore notability, I still think that Bobby Charlton falls short of the blurb mark. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:14, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak support blurb should the massive sourcing problems be overcome. Charlton was certainly a massive figure in football, but I am still unconvinced that he rises to the level of a blurb; there are a number of still-living players who have achieved greatness but probably fall into this category. Indeed, there are very few players who would clearly qualify for a blurb (Messi, C. Ronaldo, Zidane, Beckenbauer, possibly Maldini and Buffon?) and hopefully we won't need to worry about any of thosev any time soon. Oh, and George Weah, but that's not just related to football. Black Kite (talk) 07:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb - we can't blurb the death of every famous sportsperson. In this case, it is just "old man dies". -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:09, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Why not? It seems any old baseball player gets a blurb. 91.125.140.227 (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This October, the Real Main Page commemorates the deaths of five old baseball players and four young. Well, four between 50 and 70. All nine are probably fondly remembered by fans with the propensity to do so, yet none had their portrait hung in this tiny upper-right corner of a box some like to pretend is the important place. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb, but the RD/Blurb argument means we've gone three days without posting anything at all, so let's get it posted somewhere (RD) and then upgrade to a blurb if and when consensus emerges. 2A02:C7E:30F9:A600:FC7C:5C6F:5B54:7090 (talk) 19:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Article needs some ref work before posting can be done. Once the sourcing issues are addressed, I would support a blurb given how he's regarded as "one of the greatest players of all time", meaning he was influential in his field. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Cyclone Storm Tej

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Article: Cyclone Storm Tej (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cyclone Storm Tej to make landfall between Yemen and Oman on October 25 (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]
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(Closed) TV-D1 mission

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 01:10, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: TV-D1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India becomes the fourth country to master launch abortion technology through the TV-D1 mission as part of the manned Gaganyaan program. (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express Jagran
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 MSN12102001 (talk) 12:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - We usually only post launches rather than abort tests like this, but this is still a really cool event. I'm very impressed with how ISRO is advancing atm. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Bill Hayden

Article: Bill Hayden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
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Nominator's comments: Governor-General of Australia, 1977–1983. Happily888 (talk) 06:27, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From 1989 to 1996 per the article. Gotitbro (talk) 10:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on condition that the citation needed tags are removed. Bremps... 00:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 20

October 20, 2023 (2023-10-20) (Friday)

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(Ready) RD: Haydn Gwynne

Article: Haydn Gwynne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: British actress known for Drop the Dead Donkey in the 90s. Stephen 02:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 19

October 19, 2023 (2023-10-19) (Thursday)

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RD: Atsushi Sakurai

Article: Atsushi Sakurai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Mainichi
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Nominator's comments: Japanese musician who died on Thursday, although his death was only announced earlier today (24 October). Article meets the criteria for RD, although I think this could still be expanded a bit. Vida0007 (talk) 16:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article doesn't cover his early life, but aside from that it's fine. Bremps... 02:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Carlos Romero Deschamps

Article: Carlos Romero Deschamps (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
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Nominator's comments: Tone in article may come across as a bit snarky, so a few minor revisions may be needed Bremps... 00:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Husband

Article: Tony Husband (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Cartoonist, notable mainly for Private Eye magazine. I have expanded and cited it, it's still quite short but sufficient. Black Kite (talk) 09:20, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Summa Navaratnam

Article: Summa Navaratnam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Mirror
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Nominator's comments: Represented Sri Lanka in both rugby and athletics. Once renowned as fastest runner in Asia. Abishe (talk) 01:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sakharov Prize

Article: Sakharov Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Sakharov Prize is awarded to Mahsa Jina Amini and the Woman, Life, Freedom movement in Iran. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Sakharov Prize is awarded to Mahsa Jina Amini and the Woman, Life, Freedom movement in Iran.
News source(s): European Parliament press release DW France 24 BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: I know we usually bold winners but it might be better to bold the award in this case, given the circumstances. Mahsa Amini doesn't have a standalone article on her, just one on her death, and there's no article on "Iranian woman-led protest movement" (Woman, Life, Freedom referenced is a slogan and not an organization, so that can't really be used either). Note that currently only the Sakharov Prize article is updated because I'm not sure how I would add this information into the other articles. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support and I would see no reason in bolding the death article as that is precisely what the award acknowledged (as well as that article being in good shape --Masem (t) 17:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose as the main article on the Sakharov Prize is pretty much a stub, as it's mostly a table. Would love to see more information in there, then I would be happy to support. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 19:05, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neither bolded article has been updated to mention the prize. Stephen 22:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work The prize is a motion of the European Parliament and it's not clear who gets the money as Mahsa Amini is dead while "Woman, Life, Freedom" is a slogan not an organisation. There were similar issues last year as the prize was awarded to the "Ukrainian People" and we didn't post it. The nominated article doesn't explain what actually happens in such cases and it doesn't give other details like the votes in that parliament. When even the Nobel Peace Prize is criticised here, it's not clear why we should give prominence to such weak sauce.
Rather than highlighting this empty gesture, it would be more informative to look again at Mahsa Amini protests, which we posted a year ago and ran in Ongoing. That is still being updated and now has an Aftermath section where we read that "...as of September 2023, a crackdown is in process ... a "Hijab and Chastity Bill" passed Iran's parliament, calling for new punishments on women who go unveiled, including prison terms of up to 10 years ...". That seems to be the more relevant parliament as they have the power and jurisdiction.
So, if we're posting this issue again, it should be done fully so that readers understand what is now actually happening on the ground. Here's a summary of the overall situation which was published on the anniversary by yet another parliament.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: S. M. Zafar

Article: S. M. Zafar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Samaa TV
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 Fahads1982 (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Burt Young

Article: Burt Young (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Actor who played Pauline in the "Rocky" saga. Article seems to be in good shape. TheInevitables (talk) 14:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The filmography doesn't have any sources. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lasse Berghagen

Article: Lasse Berghagen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

Article updated
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 --BabbaQ (talk) 10:29, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Russia withdraws from CTBT treaty

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 07:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Russian State Duma unanimously votes to revoke Russia's ratification of the CTBT Treaty banning nuclear tests and nuclear explosions. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
 --Synotia (moan) 08:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably support in principle, article not ready The article has not yet been updated at all, nor has its companion article List of parties to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty. The map also fails to reflect the change. Can someone confirm that this is significant enough to post? My understanding is that the treaty was already not in force, but this development is still quite an alarming shock to the status quo and might indicate that future Russian nuclear tests are to be expected. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I retract the "probably support" bit given the comments below, although I remain unsure about significance. Would we post a blurb if, say, China or the US were to ratify the treaty? Revoking ratification seems at least as newsworthy as ratifying, especially given the context of an ongoing conflict. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 09:29, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Among the countries that haven't ratified the CTBT Treaty are the majority of nuclear weapon states (China, India, Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and the United States). France, Russia and the United Kingdom were the only nuclear weapon states that have ratified it. So, Russia's move from the smaller to the larger group isn't really that important.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I concur with Kiril; I believe Russia has said they don't intend to actually resume nuclear testing, just that they don't want to be in the treaty any more. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The treaty has not even entered into force, so it's moot at this point, thirty years later. --Bedivere (talk) 16:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose first off, not notable as stated per above, second, article has no mention of Russia withdrawing from the treaty, and third, it has not come into effect yet. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kiril; if the world's other major nuclear power, the US, had ratified it, it would be more notable.
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