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*'''Support in principle'''. While I was originally inclined to oppose under the premise of "well that's just what the Taliban does", a complete education ban is certainly worth posting. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 05:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle'''. While I was originally inclined to oppose under the premise of "well that's just what the Taliban does", a complete education ban is certainly worth posting. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 05:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until Taliban's ban on primary education becomes clearer. The Taliban ban of women from universities is well supported by RS, but banning women from primary schools is not clear. NPR's [https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/12/21/1144703393/taliban-begins-to-enforce-education-ban-leaving-afghan-women-with-tears-and-ange article] (dated Dec 21) states, in present tense, "{{tq|They allow girls to attend school until the sixth grade, when primary school ends. But they have prevented most girls from attending formal secondary school education...}}" CNN (date Dec 20) [https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/asia/taliban-bans-women-university-education-intl/index.html quotes] the US State Department as saying "{{tq|With the implementation of this decree, half of the Afghan population will soon be unable to access education beyond primary school}}". WaPo's article (Dec 21)[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/21/taliban-ban-afghan-girls-women-education/] also gave more nuanced coverage than WSJ"{{tq|While the official statement issued Tuesday by the Ministry of Education only covered universities, some female teachers and girls at primary schools in the Afghan capital, Kabul, reported being turned away from classes Wednesday morning.}}" It might be that the primary education ban happened very recently and RS haven't yet caught up to it. Alternatively, I would support a blurb along the lines of "Taliban ban university education for women".'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 06:33, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until Taliban's ban on primary education becomes clearer. The Taliban ban of women from universities is well supported by RS, but banning women from primary schools is not clear. NPR's [https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/12/21/1144703393/taliban-begins-to-enforce-education-ban-leaving-afghan-women-with-tears-and-ange article] (dated Dec 21) states, in present tense, "{{tq|They allow girls to attend school until the sixth grade, when primary school ends. But they have prevented most girls from attending formal secondary school education...}}" CNN (date Dec 20) [https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/asia/taliban-bans-women-university-education-intl/index.html quotes] the US State Department as saying "{{tq|With the implementation of this decree, half of the Afghan population will soon be unable to access education beyond primary school}}". WaPo's article (Dec 21)[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/21/taliban-ban-afghan-girls-women-education/] also gave more nuanced coverage than WSJ"{{tq|While the official statement issued Tuesday by the Ministry of Education only covered universities, some female teachers and girls at primary schools in the Afghan capital, Kabul, reported being turned away from classes Wednesday morning.}}" It might be that the primary education ban happened very recently and RS haven't yet caught up to it. Alternatively, I would support a blurb along the lines of "Taliban ban university education for women".'''[[User:Vice regent|VR]]''' <sub>[[User talk:Vice regent|talk]]</sub> 06:33, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
'''Oposse''' per Evan224. [[User:Shadow4dark|Shadow4dark]] ([[User talk:Shadow4dark|talk]]) 13:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)


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December 22

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Ronnie Hillman

Article: Ronnie Hillman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox Sports
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: former NFL running back and Super Bowl champion. Cheers. WimePocy 13:12, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ali Ahmed Aslam

Article: Ali Ahmed Aslam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: inventor of the chicken tikka masala

no longer true as I created an article just now. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 21

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations


Failed Gambian coup d'état

Article: 2022 Gambian coup d'état attempt (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four soldiers are arrested after an alleged coup attempt in The Gambia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: An attempted coup in a sovereign state is notable and we have precedent in support. Also frequent coup attempts in Western Africa do not make it less notable than in other countries; nor has "nothing happened" as is frequently erroneously argued in response to nominations about failed coups, assassinations or similar, as they do have a lasting effect on the country and its governance and the people involved. Article needs a lot of expansion but sources present which should help. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:26, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support once article is improved I still think that a coup d'état, even if it is a (very) failed attempt, is ITNR-worthy. The article needs a lot of work, btw. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:06, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The president of the Gambia is at odds with the army and uses foreign troops to support his rule. In such circumstances there will be natural friction and allegations will be made. As the scale of the allegations is not large and they are unproven, they seem insufficient. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Andrew Davidson: care to add this information to the article please? Seems significant in this context and therefore to the event. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:15, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • The information comes from the BBC article cited in the nomination: "He has been distrustful of the military, with troops from neighbouring Senegal in charge of his personal security, while the main international airport and sea port are guarded by troops from Nigeria and Ghana respectively. This has made him unpopular with many Gambians, who feel that he has undermined the country's sovereignty by relying on foreign forces." Andrew🐉(talk) 13:22, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait the information at this stage is insufficient to support significance. This is essentially a press release stating facts that (as the BBC properly points out) are not supported by independent sources. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:09, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Aminah Cendrakasih

Article: Aminah Cendrakasih (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indonesian actress. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:17, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Barry

Article: Tony Barry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Mail NZ Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian actor HiLo48 (talk) 03:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd certainly prefer to not use the Daily Mail, but it was the only Australian one I could find. HiLo48 (talk) 08:49, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Zelenskyy addresses Congress

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Nominator's comments: Historic visit, first time Zelenskyy is overseas since the start of the invasion. I could see why this wouldn't be notable for ITN, but it's being covered in the news, and is very high-profile. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and Speedy Close Per above. MyriadSims (talk) 01:44, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Treatment of women by the Taliban

Article: Treatment of women by the Taliban (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Afghanistan, the Taliban indefinitely ban women from University education on orders of the Minister of Higher Education (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Afghanistan, the Taliban ban women from education
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Afghanistan, where women are prohibited from returning to secondary school since August 2021, the Taliban extended the ban on education also to the attendance of University and primary school.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Taliban institute a total ban on women from attending or teaching at schools in Afghanistan
News source(s): The Guardian,Wall Street Journal for blurb 1 + 2 Wall Street Journal for blurb 2
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is updated but maybe there will be a better article to wikilink to. The fact that a country consciously deprives half the population of higher education I would see as a prominent issue. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:58, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality - I would actually support this but the article makes little to no mention about this at all. Because of that it's hard for me to actually support this. i would support it once added though. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the worldwide news section for big events. The Taliban in Afghanistan oppressing and restricting women (like they always do) is a bad thing and I feel sorry for the women but isn't really ITN-worthy. Evan224 (talk) 01:00, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to dramatically misunderstand what ITN does and does not consider for posting. Not to gatekeep, but as this is only your 4th edit, I would highly recommend observing first before participating, as there is load of nuance that goes into blurbing. Curbon7 (talk) 01:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle. While I was originally inclined to oppose under the premise of "well that's just what the Taliban does", a complete education ban is certainly worth posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:23, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until Taliban's ban on primary education becomes clearer. The Taliban ban of women from universities is well supported by RS, but banning women from primary schools is not clear. NPR's article (dated Dec 21) states, in present tense, "They allow girls to attend school until the sixth grade, when primary school ends. But they have prevented most girls from attending formal secondary school education..." CNN (date Dec 20) quotes the US State Department as saying "With the implementation of this decree, half of the Afghan population will soon be unable to access education beyond primary school". WaPo's article (Dec 21)[1] also gave more nuanced coverage than WSJ"While the official statement issued Tuesday by the Ministry of Education only covered universities, some female teachers and girls at primary schools in the Afghan capital, Kabul, reported being turned away from classes Wednesday morning." It might be that the primary education ban happened very recently and RS haven't yet caught up to it. Alternatively, I would support a blurb along the lines of "Taliban ban university education for women".VR talk 06:33, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oposse per Evan224. Shadow4dark (talk) 13:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 20

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

Sports


RD: Nasser Abu Hamid

Article: Nasser Abu Hamid (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz, JPost
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A prominent Palestinian militant. Sakiv (talk) 20:57, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can people express their thoughts on this candidacy? The article is in good condition.--Sakiv (talk) 12:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Franco Harris

Article: Franco Harris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP via ESPN
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: His death comes days before the 50th anniversary of the Immaculate Reception, which will be commemorated at this weekend's game. rawmustard (talk) 12:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bannu counterterrorism centre attack and siege

Article: 2022 Bannu counterterrorism centre attack and siege (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Pakistan's security forces storm and re-take a counterterrorism office in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, ending the siege and freeing all the hostages but resulting the death of 2 officers and all 33 local Pakistani Taliban insurgents. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Over 30 Pakistani Taliban insurgents attack a counterterrorism centre in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing two officers before being shot dead.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An attack and siege involving Pakistani Taliban insurgents, hostages and Pakistan's security forces in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa results in over 30 deaths.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Pakistan, an attack and siege involving Taliban insurgents, hostages and security forces results in over 30 deaths.
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: A significant amount of deaths in a short space of time and rare fashion. Article needs to be significantly expanded and linked to the Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa article. Clumsy blurb but unsure how to cut it down, suggestions welcome. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:46, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing a reworded blurb that may be more lean?: Pakistan's security forces free all hostages at a counterterrorism office in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, killing 33 local Pakistani Taliban insurgents and losing 2 officers. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
it maaaaayyyyyy be okay to ommit "losing 2 officers"?
Alternatively:
Pakistani security forces end the Bannu counterterrorism office hostage situation, freeing all hostages, killing 33 Pakistani Taliban insurgents, and losing 2 officers. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the numbers seem to be changing - so maybe it will be best to omit the numbers and say somethign like, "killing all the Pakistani Taliban insurgents / hostage takers"? Sorry for multiple comments instead of one unified one.
The article itself could also use some work, so Oppose on quality. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above, suggesting alternative blurb. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I suggest to wikilink a bit fewer articles. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Holy WP:SEAOFBLUE Batman! Added altblurb3. Black Kite (talk) 01:15, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Altblurb III per above. MyriadSims (talk) 01:48, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment should definitely link to Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa though. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:13, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All the blurbs include a piped link to the insurgency in KP. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime


RD: Stanley Drucker

Article: Stanley Drucker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 49 years principal clarinetist New York Philharmonic Grimes2 (talk) 17:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gary Knafelc

Article: Gary Knafelc (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Green Bay Press-Gazette
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Professional American football player. - Indefensible (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Encarna Hernández

Article: Encarna Hernández (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC (Spanish), RTVE (Spanish)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish professional basketball player & coach. - Indefensible (talk) 20:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mircea Dușa

Article: Mircea Dușa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Romania Insider
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Romanian Minister of Interior, Minister of Defense. Could use some article expansion. - Indefensible (talk) 20:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Max Brito

Article: Max Brito (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Monitor, The Sun, Rugbyrama (French)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ivorian professional rugby player. - Indefensible (talk) 20:39, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tom Browning

Article: Tom Browning (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American baseball pitcher. Needs some work. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:19, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Martin Duffy

Article: Martin Duffy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Keyboard player with Primal Scream, The Charlatans and Felt. Article is short but cited. Black Kite (talk) 09:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sufficiently improved to strike my "weak." -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:02, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Terry Hall

Article: Terry Hall (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lead singer of The Specials, Fun Boy Three and a few others - a musical legend. Unfortunately there is a fair amount of work needed in providing citations before it can go on the FP. Should now be all all supported with citations. - SchroCat (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC) SchroCat (talk) 23:01, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality - This is going to need a lot more citations before this can be supported. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Santino (chimpanzee)

Article: Santino (chimpanzee) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2] [3]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chimpanzee who earlier in life has been source of both national (Swedish) and international media, as cited in article, was shot and killed under circumstances which has generated media intensity. Chrill (talk) 22:59, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sargam Koushal

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Article: Sargam Koushal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sargam Koushal of India selected as Mrs. World in 2022 competition. (Post)
News source(s): The National, Hindustan Times and India Today
Credits:

Article updated
 ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk ! 12:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Elon Musk to step down as head of Twitter

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Article: Twitter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Twitterverse citizens decide in a referendum in favor of Elon Musk stepping down as head of Twitter (Post)
News source(s): Twitter
Credits:

Article needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 10:44, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Even though this result seems likely, the poll is still going on. We don't call an election before all the results are in, even if a candidate winning seems overwhelmingly likely. This is especially true in this case, where we don't know what role Elon will assume at Twitter, or what will even happen. It's quite a vague poll.
As for the actual notability, it does seem dubious to post the results of a Twitter poll to ITN, but if it leads to Elon stepping down from the company entirely, that could be notable for ITN. Either way, there is no way to know what exactly this will lead to, and thus we should wait until after the poll, and after whatever change takes effect in order to make a decision. Though this is a good faith nomination, remember WP:CRYSTAL. We can't predict the future. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:51, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to Oppose, as the nomination mainly addresses the Twitter poll, which in itself isn't notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:59, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose First, the Twitter poll itself is not notable. Only the potential outcomes that may result from the completion of the poll. Second, the blurb is at best misleading. The word "referendum" implies that this poll has some sort of official status, when it is in fact just a Twitter poll. Chrisclear (talk) 10:56, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Just another useless nomination by Count Iblis. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There's no need to be rude, Alsor. We should always assume good faith, and while this nomination wasn't quite notable, we shouldn't disparage and put down others. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:13, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Watch this space/wait If a leadership change happens, I believe it would be notable. Also as a note, the time has expired and the Yes vote has prevailed. Musk has not reacted yet as of posting. I likely will likely be offline when something does happen, so I can't change my "vote"/comment on this nomination yet. -TenorTwelve (talk) 11:36, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - And just what are we going to do?! Call the United Nations if he doesn't adhere to the results of this meaningless poll? Let's wait for something tangible rather than this disincarnate bullshit.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Until we know for sure, and what the implications are (he's implied he might close down Twitter completely which would be newsworthy), we're in the realm of speculation. --Masem (t) 13:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on its face. This is a proposed reshuffling of deck chairs. Ownership, and therefore power over the company, remains the same no matter whether a functionary is named as a titular new "head". BD2412 T 13:26, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2022 Fijian general election

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Article: 2022 Fijian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: FijiFirst win a plurality of votes in the Fijian general election (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the Fijian general election, FijiFirst (leader Frank Bainimarama pictured) wins a plurality of votes
Alternative blurb III: ​ Following the Fijian general election, People's Alliance led by Sitiveni Rabuka forms a new coalition government with Social Democratic Liberal Party and National Federation Party, ending FijiFirst eight-year rule and Frank Bainimarama's 16-year tenure as prime minister.
News source(s): RNZ
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: was hoping they would have formed a government by now for a more concise blurb but it's unlikely to happen any time. Nonetheless the article is great. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blurb 3 is misleading. The blurb indicates that the coalition parties has now formed government when in fact they just agreed to form a coalition government. No government has been formed yet. The Parliament that is yet to be summoned by the President (Section 67) will elect the new PM per section 93 of the Fijian constitution. I think we should hold off for now because the ruling FijiFirst party still has not conceded. (Source). KRtau16 (talk) 08:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

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RD: Wim Henderickx

Article: Wim Henderickx (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): operaballet.be (in English), de Volkskrant
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prolific internationally recognised Belgian composer of operas and other classical music. The article was there but references were missing or no longer available. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) HTMS Sukhothai

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Article: HTMS Sukhothai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal Thai Navy's HTMS Sukhothai (pictured) capsizes and sinks leaving 31 crew members missing (Post)
Alternative blurb: HTMS Sukhothai (pictured), a corvette of the Royal Thai Navy, capsizes and sinks, leaving 31 crew members missing
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article needs work but feels fairly significant, commissioned naval vessels don't sink that often. I'll see if I get time to improve the article today - Dumelow (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Significant event (ships in general, but particularly military ships, tend to not randomly slip below the waves during peacetime, even in storms), but the article is very minimal and needs some serious improvement. 173.179.105.16 (talk) 15:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on merits, weak support on quality. Unusual event with (probably) substantial loss of life. Apparently this is only the fourth Thai warship to have sunk, ever. The article is quite bare-bones but does just about meet our minimum requirements. There's a disappointing lack of detail, both about the ship and the capsizing. I hope this can be improved while discussion continues; I don't see anything that would prevent it being posted though. Altblurb added. Modest Genius talk 15:05, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once properly updated. Warships sinking is a big deal. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good, pretty significant event I would say? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Argentina wins World Cup

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Article: 2022 FIFA World Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ​In association football, the FIFA World Cup concludes with Argentina defeating France in the final. (Lionel Messi pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: Argentina wins the FIFA World Cup in Qatar, after defeating France in the final.
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: We said we'd blurb the final, and we did back in 2018. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support Let's just do it Twa0726 (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the main blurb is the format for which we post these types of event, so oppose ALTBLURB. Curbon7 (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry didn't realize there was a format convention.VR talk 18:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries :) PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ks0stm: yes I think the alternative blurb is good and neutral, but I suggest the change (FIFA World Cup in Qatar) to (2022 FIFA World Cup) that the most common name. Ibrahim.ID ✪ 19:34, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How in the world is the blurb at all Americo-centric? Curbon7 (talk) 19:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing this is a dig at the use of "association football". – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:46, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Au contraire, the altblurb might be the American-centric one, as it does not follow MOS:PLURAL per British English: ​Argentina win the FIFA World Cup in Qatar...Bagumba (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Afghanistan tunnel fire

Article: 2022 Salang Tunnel fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explodes in the Salang Tunnel, Afghanistan killing at least 31 people and injuring over 30 others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A fuel tanker explodes in the Salang Tunnel, Afghanistan, killing at least 31 people.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Needs expansion. Ainty Painty (talk) 15:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Notable tragedy, though the article needs a lot of work. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cleaned the article up and added a new section. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:34, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What global significance does this tragedy have? What long-term impact will it have? 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:18, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Those aren't necessary for an article to be posted to ITN. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what I thought too. So I wonder why the aquarium story got shot down on those terms. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:57, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The AquaDom breaking isn't as notable because no people were killed. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But it is unique. Gazozlu (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

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(Posted) RD: Dieter Henrich

Article: Dieter Henrich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German philosopher, internationally known. Article expanded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:42, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mike Hodges

Article: Mike Hodges (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British film director. Thriley (talk) 21:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Werner Leich

Article: Werner Leich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German regional Lutheran bishop under the East German regime. Article expanded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Philippe Tillous-Borde

Article: Philippe Tillous-Borde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro (French), Le Monde (French)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French agriculturalist, businessman, cofounder of Avril Group. - Indefensible (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Drew Griffin

Article: Drew Griffin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, People, NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American journalist. - Indefensible (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Christian Saulsberry

Article: Christian Saulsberry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sportsnet
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Philip Pearlstein

Article: Philip Pearlstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WaPo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American painter. - Indefensible (talk) 05:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: P-22 (mountain lion)

Article: P-22 (mountain lion) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wild mountain lion that lived in Griffith Park, Los Angeles, and became something of a local fixture. Captured this week and euthanized due to health issues. Article is detailed, well referenced, and updated with P-22's death. Ackatsis (talk) 19:55, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Taoiseach in Ireland

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Articles: Leo Varadkar (talk · history · tag) and Government of the 33rd Dáil (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Leo Varadkar (pictured) becomes Taoiseach of Ireland, as Micheál Martin steps down. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Leo Varadkar (pictured) succeeds the resigned Micheál Martin to become Taoiseach of Ireland.
Alternative blurb II: Leo Varadkar (pictured) succeeds Micheál Martin to become Taoiseach of Ireland, as provided for by the terms of the government's coalition
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63945064
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Taoiseach is the head of the government of Ireland, and while not head of state, is still a major position. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support with 33rd gov't as the target. As Varadkar's article already covered the agreement, an update to his BLP significant enough to satisfy ITNCRIT would surely violate BALANCE. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:33, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Elia Alessandrini

Article: Elia Alessandrini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Switzerland Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swiss professional football player. - Indefensible (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Oppenheimer

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Article: J. Robert Oppenheimer (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer (pictured) is cleared of allegations that led to the 1954 revocation of his security clearance (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, Department of Energy
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: An unusual nomination; both the linked articles are high quality featured articles, and the number of page views on the main article has shot up by over 30,000 per day since the announcement, indicating substantial reader interest. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:30, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:57, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jose Maria Sison

Article: Jose Maria Sison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Inquirer
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino activist and founder of the Communist Party of the Philippines who died yesterday in the Netherlands but his demise was only announced today. There is still some work to do on some sections (six {cn} tags remain) but I believe this is RD worthy. Vida0007 (talk) 08:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AquaDom explosion

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Article: AquaDom (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The world's largest cylindrical aquarium (pictured) explodes in Berlin. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Germany, over 1,000 fish are killed when the AquaDom aquarium (pictured) bursts.
News source(s): BBC; NYT; DW
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Over a thousand fish seem to have died. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This is currently ITN on the German Wikipedia, perhaps that is an indication of notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:41, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
support. i think using "explosion" is fine; earwitnesses describe being awoken by a loud bang. the quality of the article appears sufficient now, although i am a little wary of how the disney and dubai incidents are mentioned, as i believe those were leaks rather than catastrophic failures, while the current wording may suggest otherwise. also, i believe the aquarium in dubai is not the world's largest; the mall it is in was the world's largest mall (by total land area) at the time. dying (talk) 05:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I've adjusted the wording and added a source. Please feel free to pitch in too if you're familiar with the details. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Fish will be missed, but this isn't quite ntoable, despite being unusual. Perhaps a better fit for DYK PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For goodness sake, DYK is for newly created articles or articles expanded fivefold, not for events like these. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 20:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PrecariousWorlds, You really need to read Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#ITN_isn't_DYK. This is not the first time you have this. Curbon7 (talk) 01:20, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
to be fair, an article about the explosion could be created and it would be DYK-worthy. Bedivere (talk) 02:03, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Read it. I apologise if I was being patronizing, but I would still oppose this on notability.
Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of both ITN and DYK though, so I will make sure to read up on WP:DYK. Thank you PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:31, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support because not only a lot of exotic fish have died but this was a tourist attraction and the news seems to have made the world, one source also claims two humans were injured in the burst, there's also no saying if they will rebuild it this early on. OGWFP (talk) 20:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The story is not especially tabloid in nature as it has been reported by numerous respectable sources such as the BBC and NYT.
  2. We are currently blurbing other explosions and structural failures which seem similar in scale
  3. Those other articles such as the landslide and explosion are 100% about those incidents. If the place in question already had an article so that the content about the event is at the 50% level then this demonstrates that the structure was more notable, not less.
So, my impression that that the rhetoric is just for show and it's really just personal opinion – classic IDONTLIKEIT. That's the trouble with ITN – it's just a forum for opinions about the news rather than an objective process.
Anyway, the good news is that this article has been crushing the posted blurbs when it comes to actual readership. See stats. ITN gatekeeping fails again.
Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The landslides and the Jersey explosion had more support as it had a human death toll.
And just because a page is getting more views doesn't mean it's more notable for ITN, otherwise we'd blurb 'Avatar: The Way of Water releases'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:56, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your "analysis" cherry picks facts to suit your argument - like omitting the factor of human fatalities! Please just state your case without insulting the other editors. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:18, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is the relevance of human fatalities when comparing to events like these? This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because those were the main driving factors behind the postings that Andrew is referencing in contrast to this one. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:24, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that news sources are trying to fill 24/7 coverage, so just because there's wide coverage of it doesn't mean it has the legs for an enduring story required by NEVENT. That's why we tend to post news that has more concrete impacts. Masem (t) 02:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sinisa Mihajlovic

Article: Siniša Mihajlović (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Serbian footballer; free kick specialist. Needs some more citations. Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Batang Kali landslide

Article: 2022 Batang Kali landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 21 people are killed in a landslide on an organic farm at Batang Kali, Malaysia. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN Reuters The Straits Times New Straits Times Malay Mail
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: 16 dead, 17 missing, with 60 rescued. The landslide occurred around 12 hours ago, and prospects of any survivors are very low, given how most rescued personnel were found within 4-5 hours. Significant loss of life in a tragic event. Even though Malaysia is prone to landslides and floods, the death toll involved is rare. It's the deadliest landslide in Malaysia since 1996 (Kampar, 44 dead), and the third deadliest of all time for the country. (Right now: 19 killed, 14 missing) gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 07:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Per above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Ayacucho riots/massacre

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Article: 2022 Ayacucho riots (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Peruvian army perpetrates a massacre against protesters in Ayacucho, leaving at least 9 dead and 52 wounded (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Peruvian army perpetrates a massacre on political protestors in Ayacucho, leaving at least 9 dead and 55 wounded
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Peruvian army fires on a crowd of political protestors in Ayacucho, leaving at least 9 dead and 55 wounded.
News source(s): Axios, The Guardian, Infobae, Gestion
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Recognizing that ITN has recently been pretty saturated with news about Peru, this event seems extremely notable. The army of a nation is rarely seen brazenly using live ammunition against protesters in the open like this. This event will probably continue to develop as the regional hospital overflowed in Ayacucho and triage units are being established. WMrapids (talk) 08:58, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Covered in ongoing - Though this is a terrible event and could probably be posted, maybe it's best to leave it to ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:23, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Sad event but it's already covered in ongoing so I don't believe that we need to blurb this. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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