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*'''Support ongoing''' though I intensely dislike the term "presidential crisis." I would suggest that "constitutional crisis" is much more accurate. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
*'''Support ongoing''' though I intensely dislike the term "presidential crisis." I would suggest that "constitutional crisis" is much more accurate. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 20:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
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* Blurb is not quite accurate. Guadio was sworn in as the interim President based on a constitutional claim both he and the National Assembly back, but it remains that Maduro remains in power. I do think this is a point to post a blurb since now officially there is a conflict in power, and until that's resolved, this should fall out as an ongoing story. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:12, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
* Blurb is not quite accurate. Guadio was sworn in as the interim President based on a constitutional claim both he and the National Assembly back, but it remains that Maduro remains in power. I do think this is a point to post a blurb since now officially there is a conflict in power, and until that's resolved, this should fall out as an ongoing story. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:12, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose currently''' because there is no article ready: the primary article should be either [[2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis]] sublinked to a relevant paragraph, or a new article specifically for today's events, but I'm not sure the test of time will prove them notable enough for their own article quite yet. Otherwise, support. [[User:LjL|LjL]] ([[User talk:LjL|talk]]) 20:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC) |
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January 23
January 23, 2019
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Juan Guaidó sworn in as President of Venezuela
Blurb: Juan Guaidó is sworn-in as President of Venezuela on a day of national protests during the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. (Post)
News source(s): Business Insider, Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Or something, might not need so many pages linked. Kingsif (talk) 19:57, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb but support ongoing. Something is happening today on this ongoing story, but I don't think it's blurbable. It will continue to happen until Maduro is killed, arrested, leaves the country, or regains power. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:02, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support blurb - this is a major political story. BabbaQ (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support ongoing though I intensely dislike the term "presidential crisis." I would suggest that "constitutional crisis" is much more accurate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Blurb is not quite accurate. Guadio was sworn in as the interim President based on a constitutional claim both he and the National Assembly back, but it remains that Maduro remains in power. I do think this is a point to post a blurb since now officially there is a conflict in power, and until that's resolved, this should fall out as an ongoing story. --Masem (t) 20:12, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose currently because there is no article ready: the primary article should be either 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis sublinked to a relevant paragraph, or a new article specifically for today's events, but I'm not sure the test of time will prove them notable enough for their own article quite yet. Otherwise, support. LjL (talk) 20:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
January 22
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RD: Russell Baker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American writer, winner of the Pulitzer Prize, dies at 93. Davey2116 (talk) 03:40, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support just about good enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
(Closed) Mariano Rivera
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Blurb: Relief pitcher Mariano Rivera is the first player unanimously elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Yoninah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose a good trivia answer, but not important news. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:47, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- I agree singling out Mariano for a blurb is not NPOV. However, there is an argument to made for blurbing all inductees of some major halls of fame and honour as ITNR. Not only in sports but other categories such as music like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For now, I see no reason why we can not blurb all four inductees: Mariano Rivera, Edgar Martínez, Roy Halladay, and Mike Mussina. I would argue that induction in the the Baseball Hall of Fame is the top honor in baseball.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's not NPOV. The fact is that no player has been elected unanimously, not even Babe Ruth, and finally it happened. There's a hall of fame class every year, but the unanimous aspect makes this a little more newsworthy than any other year. But, even though I'm a yuuuuuge Yankees fan, and as excited as I was to see him be elected unanimously, I don't think we should post it. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- I agree singling out Mariano for a blurb is not NPOV. However, there is an argument to made for blurbing all inductees of some major halls of fame and honour as ITNR. Not only in sports but other categories such as music like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For now, I see no reason why we can not blurb all four inductees: Mariano Rivera, Edgar Martínez, Roy Halladay, and Mike Mussina. I would argue that induction in the the Baseball Hall of Fame is the top honor in baseball.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This is of little real importance. ―Susmuffin Talk 03:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose It's not insignificant by any means. But if we post this I think we are lowering the bar somewhat and will be setting a precedent that I'm not comfortable with. On which note I congratulate him on his remarkable feat, even though he was a Yankee [boo hiss]. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:59, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose this would be better suited for a different part of the main page, it's certainly of very limited encyclopedic value. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for reasons given above: this is of little real importance, to publish this "story" would lower the bar and set a bad precedent (Digging a little deeper, I see that there are Halls of Fame in the sport of baseball in eight other countries. And that's just one sport.) This "story" is also better suited for a different part of the main page. I also note that the proposed blurb links to "Baseball Hall of Fame" which is a redirect. Chrisclear (talk) 11:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is just a technicality in the process of selecting an award. Whether his vote was unanimous or not doesn't make any difference to the appointment. Several baseball players are inducted into the hall of fame every year, and we almost never post sporting awards (as opposed to actual sporting contests). Modest Genius talk 12:25, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – On lack of significance. Sca (talk) 15:33, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Andrew Fairlie (chef)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Scottish chef. Article a bit short, will try to expand a little - Dumelow (talk) 13:42, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support certainly enough there now, those refs need some spring cleaning though. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:19, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
RD: Ahmed Imtiaz Bulbul
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): daily star
Credits:
- Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tanvir Rana Rabbi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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DannyS712 (talk) 09:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- This article is extremely short, I would like to see it expanded first. --Tone 09:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose poorly referenced proto-stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This article still seems a little sparse. ―Susmuffin Talk 03:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
January 21
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RD: Leo Paquette
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Columbus Dispatch
Credits:
- Nominated by Shoy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Axolotl Nr.733 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Organic chemist. Awards and books need sources. shoy (reactions) 18:39, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
RD: Marcel Azzola
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L'Humanité
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Major accordeonist, played with Brel and Piaf, played main theme in Mon Oncle by Tati, death gets attention in many (European) countries. Fram (talk) 12:56, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Oppose'while discography remains mainly unverifiable. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2019 (UTC)- Scratch that, it's all in the source on the last entry, so this is a support now. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- support - ready to go. BabbaQ (talk) 20:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
RD: Harris Wofford
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: very influential politician of the 20th century Kingsif (talk) 11:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose a few too many citations still needed. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:25, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This article still has a few [citation needed] tags. ―Susmuffin Talk 12:29, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
(Closed) Emiliano Sala & 2019 Piper PA-46 Malibu disappearance
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Blurb: Emiliano Sala (pictured) is feared dead when a Piper PA-46 Malibu aircraft is reported missing off Alderney, Channel Islands. (Post)
News source(s): (Sky News)
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
- I need some more information; is this the equivalent of Tom Brady or Derek Jeter being on board a plane that went missing? 331dot (talk) 13:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Nowhere near that high profile. Sala was a moderately successful player at a mid-table French club, who signed for Cardiff City (near the bottom of the Premier League) a few days ago but never played a game for them. Even most football fans had never heard of him until he disappeared. Modest Genius talk 12:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- @331dot: - insofar as he is a professional sportsman playing in the top tier of his sport, and a wikinotable person not notable only for the event in question, yes. Mjroots (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- My question is more specific, are they in the top tier of the top tier? While every death merits an RD listing, I'm not sure every death of someone in any top tier professional league merits a blurb simply because they are in a top tier professional league. Are they a star player? 331dot (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, very much not, he just signed for Cardiff City, that should explain it all really. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm so glad that I don't follow football or support a team, because I can look at this with totally unbiased eyes. AIUI, FC Nantes, the team which Sala was signed from by Cardiff City, are in the top league in French football. Cardiff City are in the top league in English football. That is all we need to consider here, not whether one team is better than another, nor that one player is better than another. That he is of a standard to play in the top tier is sufficient. Mjroots (talk) 14:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- I answered 331dot's question. He's not top tier of the top tier by any means. That he is notable just enables an article about the aircraft's disappearance to be maintained. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- (ec) I don't follow football/soccer either, but I wouldn't support an NFL or MLB benchwarmer getting a blurb. Not everyone in the top tier leagues even gets time on the field, let alone gets the star power for significant coverage of their status. I agree that the event merits an article, but not a blurb. 331dot (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm so glad that I don't follow football or support a team, because I can look at this with totally unbiased eyes. AIUI, FC Nantes, the team which Sala was signed from by Cardiff City, are in the top league in French football. Cardiff City are in the top league in English football. That is all we need to consider here, not whether one team is better than another, nor that one player is better than another. That he is of a standard to play in the top tier is sufficient. Mjroots (talk) 14:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, very much not, he just signed for Cardiff City, that should explain it all really. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- My question is more specific, are they in the top tier of the top tier? While every death merits an RD listing, I'm not sure every death of someone in any top tier professional league merits a blurb simply because they are in a top tier professional league. Are they a star player? 331dot (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Comment If you oppose a blurb, but support a RD listing for Sala, please state "RD Only". Mjroots (talk) 14:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- He wouldn't merit an RD listing unless the plane/he is found, or he is legally declared dead. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- (ec)I guess we should wait until he's been declared dead really. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- RD Only - if it's confirmed that he's dead - Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha was evidently more notable in business and sports administration than Sala is in playing sport and was RD only. 89.243.227.163 (talk) 15:01, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's implicit that he has to be dead to get a RD listing, but thank you for your opinion. Mjroots (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- I think the point is that we have no confirmation that he is dead, even if it is likely. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's implicit that he has to be dead to get a RD listing, but thank you for your opinion. Mjroots (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for the avoidance of doubt. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - if he died, he merits an RD. If not, this is not a story that needs a blurb. Sad story, but was not remotely at the apex of his field, and Vichai, as above, was more notable. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:14, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - A blurb focused specifically on his disappearance would only be allowable if the subject himself were sufficiently noteworthy (i.e. top of the top of the field), and RD would only be allowable if his death could be confirmed. This fails on both counts.--WaltCip (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per WaltCip. Banedon (talk) 21:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Wait His dead was not confirmed yet.--SirEdimon (talk) 03:05, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Wait His death has not been confirmed. ―Susmuffin Talk 04:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a minor air crash with a barely-notable footballer on board (he never even played a game for Cardiff). Tragic for those involved, but not significant enough to merit posting on ITN. Modest Genius talk 12:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
RD: Henri, Count of Paris
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): paris match
Credits:
- Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: needs a bit of work on refs DannyS712 (talk) 19:52, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The article quality is a non-starter at the moment. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:40, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- As mentioned, lots of work needed with references. Also, if the article is fixed in time, it should probably be piped as Henri d'Orléans. --Tone 20:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose far too much unreferenced material for a BLP. Should probably be razed to a stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:06, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose "A bit of work" is an understatement. ―Susmuffin Talk 00:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support Substantial edits and improvements in RS has now been done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FactStraight (talk • contribs)
- Comment Needs a little more before I will reverse !vote. But almost there. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:15, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) Maidan Shar attack
Blurb: Taliban killed over 100 Afghan National Security Forces members in a military compound in Maidan Shar. (Post)
Alternative blurb: More than 100 Afghan National Security Forces members are killed in an attack on a military compound in Maidan Shar.
News source(s): AP, BBC,Guardian, NYT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Capitals00 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 11S117 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Clearly deadliest attack of this year for now. Capitals00 (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Strong support on importance but oppose on quality: Article is stub-like and doesn’t have any subsections. 2.51.18.134 (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Wait – For details. Initial article is a stub. (Four sources added.) Sca (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Wait Strong support on notability, but the article is four sentences long at this time. I'll gladly strike out this !vote and replace it with a support once there's more information. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Oppose.The article is a stub and there is little coverage. Compare this BBC report with this one. The article can be expanded after there's hopefully more coverage and we can post the death toll when it becomes somewhat less disputed, and hopefully as small as possible. wumbolo ^^^ 22:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Some sources say 20, others "dozens." Developing. Sca (talk) 22:48, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Earliest reports said 20 but now everyone estimates it over 126. Capitals00 (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Some sources say 20, others "dozens." Developing. Sca (talk) 22:48, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- I have expanded the article further. Capitals00 (talk) 06:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support [1]— Bukhari (Talk!) 11:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support – On significance. Did some cleanup. Sca (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support. This is a short article, but it seems sourced. There's a new story [2], and enough coverage [3]. wumbolo ^^^ 18:45, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Shivakumara Swami
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Subject was an Indian spiritual leader, humanitarian and educationist. had received Padma Bhushan, the third-highest civilian award in India DBigXrayᗙ 13:08, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose several claims unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man, thanks for your feedback. I have done major work in improving the references since you voted. Please reconsider the !vote. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Looks almost fine, just "He studied English in college and is proficient in Kannada and Sanskrit." needs a reference and to be changed to past tense. --Tone 14:33, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Done, Tone thanks for the feedback. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Posted --Tone 14:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
January 20
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(Posted) Al-Queda attack on Chadian UN peacekeepers in Mali
Blurb: 10 UN peacekeepers are killed in an attack by al-Qaeda in Mali (Post)
Alternative blurb: Ten UN peacekeepers are killed in an attack by al-Qaeda in Mali
Alternative blurb II: Ten Chadian peacekeepers for the United Nations are killed in an attack by al-Qaeda in Mali in retaliation for the normalisation of diplomatic relations between Chad and Israel.
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The attack is allegedly a response to the resumption of diplomatic ties between Chad and Israel that I nominated below. The two items could potentially be merged Dumelow (talk) 08:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support important news but the target is a bit... listy. What's there is okay though. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:46, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support - Agree with TRM. Ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 12:00, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment – Article is thin, and it's larded with flag salad, which could be handled in a footnote. Sca (talk) 14:26, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support per above. The story is of course notable, and the article isn't in a bad shape (but only 1 lone paragraph about the nominated story at the end of the article is not a lot). Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support only if these noms are merged There is a clear cause and effect between the restoration of Chad–Israel relations and this attack. We should merge these two blurbs.
- "Ten Chadian peacekeepers for the United Nations are killed in an attack by al-Qaeda in Mali in retaliation for the normalisation of diplomatic relations between Chad and Israel."--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:26, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted blurb proposed by Coffeeandcrumbs — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
HOLD ON HOLD ONthere's not support for a merged blurb, and I don't see any references that show these are related. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:32, 21 January 2019 (UTC)- @Power~enwiki and MSGJ: pinging MSGJ re support for blurb. As for references, in this article it says
Responsibility was claimed by Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb who stated that it was a retaliatory attack for the recent visit to Chad by Israeli president Benjamin Netanyahu and the subsequent normalisation of diplomatic relations.
with refs one and two --DannyS712 (talk) 21:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)- OK, the blurb is still confusing and possibly SYNTH (by taking the statement at face value), I'll try to suggest a better one. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Power~enwiki and MSGJ: pinging MSGJ re support for blurb. As for references, in this article it says
- Post-Posting Oppose I don't see any way to describe this without a full paragraph, probably because it's importance is largely based on the perpetrators saying it is important. If you consider this as an ongoing military conflict, it's not more disruptive than anything in the Syrian Civil War or the US airstrike in Somalia (and who knows about the Timeline of the war in Donbass (December 2018)). power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:56, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- What if we used claimed:
Ten Chadian United Nations peacekeepers are killed in what the al-Qaeda in Mali claims is retaliation for the normalisation of Chad–Israel relations.
--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Nevermind, there is a better discussion at errors. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:42, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) Chad–Israel relations restored after 46 years
Blurb: Chad and Israel restore diplomatic relations for the first time in more than 46 years (Post)
News source(s): BBC news
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Article is a bit slim but could be expanded quite easily if this is judged to be suitable for ITN Dumelow (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support - clearly notable, but article is little more than a stub. I'll start working on it --DannyS712 (talk) 08:37, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm failing to see the significance of this I'm afraid, and while it's sort of in the news, it's still not clear why it even should be making headlines? Educate me. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose It's not like Iran or Syria restoring relations with Israel, now that would be a story 89.243.227.163 (talk) 14:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Only just seen above story about the attack. Change to support as combined 89.243.227.163 (talk) 14:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – This story doesn't add much to the awkwardly named United Nations Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in Mali story, which does mention this diplomatic move. Sca (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Even In the two countries, this is nonevent to majority of the populace. Also, clearly not in the news. –Ammarpad (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Has been Posted as part of the blurb about the attack in Mali (posted by @MSGJ:) --DannyS712 (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
RD: Andrew G. Vajna
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter, Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Sjones23 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hungarian-American film producer. The article itself might need some work, especially in the lead and his early life. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose too much wrong with it right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose whole uncited paragraphs. Will take a lot of work. Black Kite (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This article has been tagged. ―Susmuffin Talk 07:24, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
(Closed) 2019 Masters (snooker)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Judd Trump wins his first Masters championship, at the age of 29. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In snooker, Judd Trump wins the Masters, defeating Ronnie O'Sullivan in the final.
News source(s): "Judd Trump: Masters champion was 'sick of watching other players win'". BBC Sport. Retrieved 21 January 2019.
Credits:
- Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk · give credit)
- Oppose. Much as I enjoy snooker, it is a relatively minor sport with limited international appeal. We already post the World Championship every year, per WP:ITNR. I don't see any reason why we should start posting a second-tier tournament as well. Modest Genius talk 14:55, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose on same reason I oppose the college football playoffs: it is a minor sport in the overall scope of who plays it in the world, we already cover the sport's top result in ITNR, and thus, unless something of unusual happened, we should not post other results. Users are free to try to include this in ITNR for the future. --Masem (t) 15:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem, yes, this is why we don't (usually) post lesser-tier events in other sports. Whilst the Masters is a top-tier tournament, it's not a ranking one, and only includes 16 players; there isn't really another tournament close to the World Championship. Black Kite (talk) 16:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. We did post when Mark Williams (snooker player) won the World Snooker Championship, and we can expect that we'll post whoever wins it this time, but this story isn't as significant. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:32, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose For good reasons already given above. Suggest close. –Ammarpad (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- something something Trump power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
January 19
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(Posted) RD: Henry Sy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Forbes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Richest man in the Philippines for the past 11 years. Article is now fully sourced. Zanhe (talk) 00:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be well referenced. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support looks fine, ready to go --DannyS712 (talk) 03:04, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Liang Jingkui
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guangming Daily
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Huangdan2060 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Zanhe (talk) 22:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support not much beyond a stub, but satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support: good work creating this article from scratch so quickly Zanhe - Dumelow (talk) 08:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support Looks ok, even though very short. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support I just came here to nominate this myself, but I guess not --DannyS712 (talk) 08:38, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:58, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) Government of Burkina Faso resigns after series of terror attacks
Blurb: In Burkina Faso, Prime Minister Paul Kaba Thieba and all members of his cabinet resign from office after a series of terrorist attacks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Burkina Faso's Prime Minister Paul Kaba Thieba and his cabinet resign from office, and President Roch Marc Christian Kaboré appoints Christophe Joseph Marie Dabiré as the new Prime Minister.
News source(s): BBC Bloomberg AFP
Credits:
- Nominated by BrendonTheWizard (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: (rewriting my nom cmt now that an article exists) After sifting through all the sources I can find, the resignation of the president's entire government seems to be the culmination of many terrorist attacks (which are described in the article), some of which could probably be standalone ITN stories.
I'm still exploring a possible rename of the article & blurb because the attacks + the government dissolving are closely related. Please feel free to offer suggestions & help improve the article; it's still a developing story and it'll need some work.
- I'd suggest coming back when the article is ready, it is difficult to judge a nomination without any article at all. Thanks 331dot (talk) 20:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- You're right, I'll wait until maybe tomorrow. I'll leave this nomination here in case anyone wants to help me write this article (I've just now started it here), but I don't expect any !votes Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- I've since added a substantial amount of content to Burkina Faso government resignation, 2019, but I still feel like it could use a little more work. If any other editors think it's in decent shape, I'll put it in the nomination's template Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:32, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Alright, now that a basic article exists, I've linked it and modified the blurb + nom comment. Some details are still shaky (I've found some conflicting numbers on how many people died in the recent attacks on the French Embassy and Army Headquarters) but any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 00:17, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- I've since added a substantial amount of content to Burkina Faso government resignation, 2019, but I still feel like it could use a little more work. If any other editors think it's in decent shape, I'll put it in the nomination's template Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:32, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- You're right, I'll wait until maybe tomorrow. I'll leave this nomination here in case anyone wants to help me write this article (I've just now started it here), but I don't expect any !votes Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Update - A new Prime Minister has been appointed (but the rest of the government is still vacant). Not sure if the blurb should be modified to account for this; tagging the nom as needing attention. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 19:57, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- It doesn't need attention until there is consensus to post this. I would support but we need some more input. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Would it be appropriate to tag the nomination as (Ready), or would that also imply that a consensus has been reached? Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 04:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- It doesn't need attention until there is consensus to post this. I would support but we need some more input. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support this is unusual enough (and has enough national ramifications) that it should be posted. Banedon (talk) 04:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- We shouldn't have two links to the same article. Blurb altered accordingly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:21, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Marked as ready as there has been no opposition in 2 days.
I won't post it myself because I have commented above.— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:10, 22 January 2019 (UTC)- I think we have sufficient support now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:26, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Marked as ready as there has been no opposition in 2 days.
- Support Looks like it's in alright shape. Narayanese (talk) 08:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:31, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tony Mendez
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): hollywood reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American CIA technical operations officer and writer DannyS712 (talk) 17:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Weak opposea few [citation needed]s in there in this BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:57, 20 January 2019 (UTC)- @The Rambling Man: Done --DannyS712 (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support could we cite those other two memoirs? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- @The Rambling Man: Done --DannyS712 (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: the most used source in the article seems to be his own website which I am not convinced by - Dumelow (talk) 08:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support - per AGF. BabbaQ (talk) 12:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:04, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Nathan Glazer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American sociologist and writer. Article is in pretty good nick - Dumelow (talk) 09:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- support. Well referenced. Capitalistroadster (talk) 09:46, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - referenced. Ready to go.BabbaQ (talk) 09:54, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Opposebooks not referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)- Support good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:09, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Books not referenced and I see a paragraph without references as well. The rest is fine. --Tone 10:16, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Tagged articles do not belong in In the news. ―Susmuffin Talk 22:11, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Updated The Rambling Man; Tone ;Susmuffin - I've sourced the books and deleted the uncited statement. I'd be obliged if you could take another look now, cheers - Dumelow (talk) 08:08, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) At least 66 people die in Mexico pipeline explosion
Blurb: At least 66 people have been killed and dozens more injured in an explosion at an oil pipeline in Mexico. (Post)
News source(s): BBC. AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Alex of Canada (talk · give credit), Tbhotch (talk · give credit) and MX (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Article is a stub as of now. Progress is expected. Sherenk1 (talk) 09:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Oppose on quality- the story is significant beyond doubt, but the article is presently four sentences in length - not even remotely near the quality needed for the main page. Stormy clouds (talk) 11:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Article is in much better state now. Stormy clouds (talk) 16:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support I support on condition of significance of the incident. The page is bound to grow with support of you and I.Shadychiri (talk) 11:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- UPDATE & Support The deathtoll rose to "at least 66" from the previous 21 per BBC. The article's quality will sufface for now, as we should probably expect a swarm of Wikipedians to come work on the article once they hear the news. Openlydialectic (talk) 14:09, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support The article can still be expanded, but it's adequate. Davey2116 (talk) 16:39, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Support. Article had grown... is now substantial, with many sources. I think it's time to add it. OrbitHawk (talk) 17:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Article is ready. Also, this is of huge significance given the recent government crackdown on oil thieves. Major development in Mexico right now. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - ITN ready. Sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support – Significant, and sad. Sca (talk) 18:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support, but narrow down the geographical reference in the blurb (Mexico is a big place). Tlahuelilpan is probably too obscure to be useful, but "...in the Mexican state of Hidalgo" might be helpful. Moscow Mule (talk) 18:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure how widely known Mexican states are among Eng.-lang. readers. Maybe "east-central Mexico" or "north of Mexico City" instead? Sca (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Resolved acceptably by User:Masem, but don't underestimate en:wiki's reach among second-language speakers. Particularly, im this specific case, in light of the dire state of and generally unpleasant atmosphere on es:wiki. :) Moscow Mule (talk) 21:10, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- This is why we use bluelinks, and encourage users to use pop-ups. Short but gives enough to know roughly where in Mexico this was. --Masem (t) 21:21, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Resolved acceptably by User:Masem, but don't underestimate en:wiki's reach among second-language speakers. Particularly, im this specific case, in light of the dire state of and generally unpleasant atmosphere on es:wiki. :) Moscow Mule (talk) 21:10, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure how widely known Mexican states are among Eng.-lang. readers. Maybe "east-central Mexico" or "north of Mexico City" instead? Sca (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support obvious one really, and article has been very well enhanced since I looked 12 hours ago. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:11, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted. ID'd the nearby city in the blurb. --Masem (t) 20:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Update: Not sure who to ping, but death toll is now 71. Courtesy ping to Masem. Thanks for the assistance. MX (✉ • ✎) 22:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- At this point, all notes like this should be at WP:ERRORS, and practically, 71 is "over 66". We don't want to update thta so frequently unless it is a drastic shift in numbers. --Masem (t) 23:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Why not update it? Wouldn't it be easy? If you don't want to, I easily could, if given the priviledges. Alex of Canada (talk) 10:49, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- At this point, all notes like this should be at WP:ERRORS, and practically, 71 is "over 66". We don't want to update thta so frequently unless it is a drastic shift in numbers. --Masem (t) 23:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Boo (dog)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Boo, an internet sensation pomeranian, dies at the age of 12. (Post)
News source(s): people
Credits:
- Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: note that he was a dog DannyS712 (talk) 17:46, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support blurb - Sourced and ready. I don't know if we post dogs. Even though cute.BabbaQ (talk) 18:30, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- The nomination box just used above says: ".. any individual human, animal or other biological organism..." Might even get a tiny cute blurb? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Quite a lot of sources for such a tiny dog. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 20 January 2019 (UTC) Even if it seems somewhat bizarre in comparison
- @Martinevans123: (edit conflict) added a blurb --DannyS712 (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Absolutely not blurb worthy. --Masem (t) 18:51, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as long as the photo on the page is a copyright violation. Too soon for fair use to be valid. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- I've removed it. Expect it to come back, though; if it does I'll probably just delete the image. Black Kite (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Surprise, surprise! Black Kite (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'd guess the image is about 95% of that article's appeal. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, agreed. However, no-one has clearly looked for a free image, they've just gone for Facebook. I bet if you pinged the owner and explained the situation they'd go for it. Black Kite (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Feeling a bit washed up, one imagines. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support RD If the subject is of enough interest that we've got an article in overall decent shape (albeit a bit short) using verifiable sources, then it's fine for RD. I'm even finding BBC, CNN, HuffPo, etc stories about the dog's death, so while it's (obviously) not something we'd post as an ITN blurb, as an RD submission this is perfectly fine. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak support for an "internet sensation", the article is somewhat sparse, but what's there is alright. Never a blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support, with caveat - please do not post this if the non-free image is still in the article. Otherwise, fine for RD. Black Kite (talk) 22:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John Coughlin (figure skater)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American figure skater. Article looks reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Weak oppose, a handful of unreferenced claims, now tagged, but generally okay. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for that The Rambling Man. I think I have fixed them all now - Dumelow (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Cool, support now. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:14, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for that The Rambling Man. I think I have fixed them all now - Dumelow (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This article has been marked with a few [citation needed] tags. ―Susmuffin Talk 21:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- support - Improved since Oppose !votes.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support quality of the article is sufficient enough to warrant my support. RIP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadychiri (talk • contribs) 01:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) Swedish government formation
Blurb: The Riksdag reelects the Social Democrat Stefan Löfven as Prime Minister of Sweden. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The 4-month long 2018-19 Swedish government formation concludes with incumbent Stefan Löfvén being elected as Prime Minister.
Alternative blurb II: Over 4 months after the 2018 Swedish general election, the Riksdag elects incumbent Stefan Löfvén as Prime Minister.
News source(s): Guardian, Spiegel (in German)
Credits:
- Nominated by Narayanese (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The general election wasn't in ITN because the winner wasn't obvious, but that has changed with the incumbent government getting two new backing parties and breaking the previous coalition structure. Narayanese (talk) 10:06, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Stale No, no, no, you don't get a second crack at this. The general election was not posted because of quality (four opposes, all on quality grounds). We post elections with nebulous results all the time. ghost 13:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support – Officially it's a new government. Prefer Alt2. – Sca (talk) 14:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment The proposed blurb is insufficient, and needs to recognize the (for Sweden) long formation process of 4 months, and contain a link to 2018–19 Swedish government formation. ― Heb the best (talk) 15:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Makes sense. I've changed the target article in the box (instead of 2018 Swedish general election) Narayanese (talk) 16:09, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb – Historic political coalition. The blurb is ok and those interested will find further info. BabbaQ (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose the target article isn't even in the proposed blurb, let alone the bold article. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Add a blurb then that you feel is sufficient. We oppose on article quality not a blurb.BabbaQ (talk) 14:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Um, nope, that’s not how it works. Thanks though. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Add a blurb then that you feel is sufficient. We oppose on article quality not a blurb.BabbaQ (talk) 14:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The blurb fails to include the target article. ―Susmuffin Talk 03:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- That is not a reason to oppose. We oppose or support on article merits. A blurb can always be added. Please add one that you feel is sufficient.BabbaQ (talk) 14:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support I added two altblurbs that might work better. I prefer the second one. 83.233.110.5 (talk) 11:10, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- I like the second one too. I know there are two ways of spelling his surname: Löfvén is what official records like tax office use, whereas Löfven is what his biological parents and nowadays he himself use. Narayanese (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding alt blurb. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- I like the second one too. I know there are two ways of spelling his surname: Löfvén is what official records like tax office use, whereas Löfven is what his biological parents and nowadays he himself use. Narayanese (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted Alt2. --Masem (t) 20:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- I've put Lofven's lede image into the image prot queue to replace the current ITN box image, once it clears. --Masem (t) 20:20, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Observation - @Masem: Stefan Löfven was re-elected Prime Minister of Sweden. ArionEstar (talk) 20:32, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Technicallly, "elects incumbant..." implies re-election but I did add that. --Masem (t) 20:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Spelling mistake in the blurb. His name is spelled Stefan Löfven. BabbaQ (talk) 20:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- fixed. --Masem (t) 20:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- "…re-elects incumbent…" seems pleonastic. ArionEstar (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- fixed. --Masem (t) 20:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Spelling mistake in the blurb. His name is spelled Stefan Löfven. BabbaQ (talk) 20:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Technicallly, "elects incumbant..." implies re-election but I did add that. --Masem (t) 20:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Windsor Davies
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British actor. Article needs some work. Black Kite (talk) 12:45, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support The article has a decent number of sources and seems to include all information known at this time. Skteosk (talk) 18:39, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose classic "actor" BLP, many appearances not referenced, pull please. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - refs now added. - SchroCat (talk) 23:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Pull Ref on the roles doesn't cover 1/3 of those appearing. Why are we posting items with such glaring omissions on the strength of one support? ghost 16:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Pulled, lacking references. --Tone 20:23, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- Tone, The roles are all covered (and had been until and IP added unsourced dross). Can you now repost this. If the history can be examined properly between posting and requests to pull, a quick revert will remove any problems, which is what ghost should have done, rather than just request a withdraw. Just to make sure it's 100% safe, I've taken the table out, making it doubly OK to re-post. - SchroCat (talk) 23:58, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- a) If you want to play the history game, the version in place[4] at the time you voted was last edited by you and had several uncited works that are now gone. b) I'm not required to do anything more than I wish here. ghost 15:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Looks good now, posting. --Tone 08:38, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
(Closed) Haemochromatosis affects 20 times more people than previously thought
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Blurb: Haemochromatosis affects 20 times more people than previously thought (Post)
News source(s): BBC. Journal article in the BMJ
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Oppose The article does not appear to have been updated. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Even if updated, I don't think this is groundbreaking medical news, particularly since its simply trying to identify the breadth of the diagnosis. --Masem (t) 23:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose so many different reasons not to post. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:07, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Count Iblis, I do appreciate your eagerness to nominate unique stories for ITN, but surely it hasn't escaped your attention that virtually 99% of the stories you've nominated here for ITN have been unequivocally rejected.--WaltCip (talk) 12:57, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I don't appreciate it. At least update the article.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- WaltCip Yes, and that's why I don't nominate news items here on a very regular basis, say every few days or so. However, the news items I nominate here are from a certain perspective important, they could well be nominated by some alternate set of editors. The consensus here about the stories that do and don;t get nominated can thus change due to changing attitudes of the existing editors or if new editors were to arrive here. That's why it's not a bad thing to occasionally nominate the sort of news articles like this one. Count Iblis (talk) 22:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- To stop the sniping, unless an editor is routinely nominating completely bogus stories which are routinely speedily closed for wasting everyone's time, I don't think we should consider a nominator's "hit ratio" for ITNC. In Cout Iblis' shoes, I would see this has at least a chance, so there's no need to complain about the nom due to the nominator. --Masem (t) 22:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – Obscure – no bloody chance. Sca (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose no update, little significance.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a rather obscure story. ―Susmuffin Talk 03:05, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose not even likely to have made ITN in medical Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) Major explosion in Bogotá
Blurb: A car bombing at the General Santander National Police Academy in Bogotá, Colombia kills 21 people and leaves 68 injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: A car bombing in Bogotá, Colombia kills at least 21 people.
Alternative blurb III: A car bombing at the General Santander National Police Academy in Bogotá, Colombia kills at least 21 people.
News source(s): BBC, The Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: It seems that an article was not yet created, but I think it will be created in the next few hours due to the significance of the event. SirEdimon (talk)
- Lol, this nomination seems a little premature if there is not even an article. Suggest writing the article first :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- I've re-opened the nomination, because an article was created. Support pending article expansion. 2607:FEA8:1DE0:7B4:88BC:38CE:448D:D62F (talk) 04:05, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Taking out the inevitable "reaction" fluff the article is a bare bones stub. I am not opposed on principle, but article quality as of right now is far below our standards for the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support. The article has been expanded since. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ad Orientem - padding out with the inevitable "international reaction" section is not a sufficient expansion.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:21, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Did you read the article? There are other sections now. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:38, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Per improvements.BabbaQ (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I changed the blurbs since now it's reported that 21 people lost their lives in the incident.--SirEdimon (talk) 18:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Information - Alternative added. ArionEstar (talk) 22:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Pretty major incident, the article isn't in the best shape, but bringing it to the front page would surely bring more editors to improve it? Alex of Canada (talk) 03:01, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support 21 is a lot. Bolivia is a secure country Openlydialectic (talk) 06:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Bogota is in Colombia, not Bolivia, though. :D --BorgQueen (talk) 07:53, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Notable event and article is improving.----ZiaLater (talk) 07:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posting. The article has been improved significantly. --Tone 09:18, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mary Oliver
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by Vanamonde93 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wiki vj20 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: An argument could be made for a blurb, but personally I do not think her impact was high enough for that. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support — the lede is overly short, but otherwise there's nothing wrong with it, and the article is in good shape. I especially appreciate the last two sections "poetic identity" and "critical reviews," which are well-referenced, provide a number of perspectives on her work, and in doing so show her impact on the English literary world. -Darouet (talk) 19:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support RD article looks fully referenced; even the awards all have citations. I don't see a blurb either, but I agree that some people might support one. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Chris Wilson (Australian musician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian blues musician. Date of death not known but announced today. I've added refs for the discography but the article was OK (except it needs splitting into sections) - Dumelow (talk) 10:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support good article. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Any more details on his death? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- There doesn't seem to be much in the reports so far. Just that he had a diagnosis of cancer (I have added this) - Dumelow (talk) 13:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support comprehensive, very well referenced. JennyOz (talk) 13:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted --Jayron32 16:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
January 16
January 16, 2019
(Wednesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Law and crime
Politics and elections
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(Closed) Manbij bombing
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Blurb: At least 19 people, including four American citizens, have been killed and 3 more injured in a bombing in Manbij, Syrian Defence Forces-controlled territory, Northern Syria. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, New York Times, Sputnik (Russia), South China Morning Post (Hong Kong)
Credits:
- Nominated by Openlydialectic (talk · give credit)
- Weak Support - Per sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs)
- Oppose Too short; insufficient coverage of topic to merit posting at this time. SpencerT•C 15:38, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: Jack Bogle
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Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Jack Bogle, the father of the index fund and a frequent critic of the financial services industry dies at 89. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post CNBC& etc.
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose blurb - he was 89 and only a household name among a small group of people. I'm not sure that Warren Buffett would get a blurb, and Bogle is less prominent. Not yet ready for RD either, but I expect that will be fixed in the next few hours. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Warren Buffet has described Bogle as probably the greatest investor he has ever known. If the standard for a blurb is that the newly deceased was more or less universally recognized as being in the top tier of their profession or calling, then I think he qualifies. Name recognition is not a criteria. That said, I agree that the article needs a little work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support blurb when ready. The criterion for death-blurbs is someone at the top of their field, where the field is not too narrow. Michael Atiyah was among the leading mathematicians of his time, and Bogle (from what I'm reading) was one of the most prominent investors. Atiyah should've gotten a blurb, and Bogle should get one, too. Davey2116 (talk) 03:35, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- By the way, if Warren Buffett doesn't get a blurb, I daresay that the serial blurb-!opposers have gone far too far. He's a household name and has been in the top five richest people for as long as I can remember. Davey2116 (talk) 03:35, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb I would expect that someone that deserves a blurb would have a significant section that makes it clear why this person is clearly blurb-worthy - influence, etc. That's just not there. RD is sufficient but article needs referencing fixing. --Masem (t) 03:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Regardless of someone's influence or fame in a certain area, their death actually has to be In The News - after all, that's the whole point of this section. I'm looking at the BBC website and not only is this story not on the front page, it's not even in the North America news section. Indeed, the only UK news source I can see that has anything on the story is the Financial Times. Black Kite (talk) 07:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose inadequately referenced, and certainly not blurb-worthy. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:20, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Referencing concerns seem to have been addressed. Is this RD good to go? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:00, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what article you're looking at, but no, it's not good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Added a couple of references — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what article you're looking at, but no, it's not good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Blurbs should be reserved for cases in which the death (and perhaps funeral) are so extensively covered by secondary sources that it could have a stand-alone article. Abductive (reasoning) 15:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- So that's the only criterion now. Although still seems somewhat subjective. Is that written down somewhere as guidance/ policy. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- The criterion is this, from Wikipedia:In_the_news#Recent_deaths_section, and I quote "Deaths where the cause of death itself is a major story...or where the events surrounding the death merit additional explanation" are the standard criteria for the blurb. --Jayron32 18:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- That's ONE of the criterion. The other of which is a "major transformative world leaders in their field" which is the one the Mr. Bogle would ostensibly qualify. My take is that he is unquestionably major and transformative, but perhaps his field is too narrow. I'm a
weak supporton the blurb (notwithstanding quality concerns). ghost 21:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- You missed out a bit - "In rare cases, the death of major transformative world leaders in their field may merit a blurb." This is not one of those.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- That's a valid point; I withdraw my support. I do stand by my distaste for people cherry-picking criteria (or making up their own). ghost 19:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- That's ONE of the criterion. The other of which is a "major transformative world leaders in their field" which is the one the Mr. Bogle would ostensibly qualify. My take is that he is unquestionably major and transformative, but perhaps his field is too narrow. I'm a
- Comment: The infobox photo is a proabable copyright violation (no credible evidence of free license) and I have nominated it for deletion: see deletion discussion. --Animalparty! (talk) 18:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Oppose This article has been tagged with multiple [citation needed] tags. ―Susmuffin Talk 21:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
(Posted) Zimbabwe fuel protests
Blurb: In Zimbabwe, eight are reported dead as people protest the government's increase in the price of fuel. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, MSN, Zimbabwe Daily
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Discott (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: The incident is a substantial protest since the 2017 Zimbabwean coup d'état and attempted economic reforms were implemented. As security forces are still in force on the streets keeping order and a strike called to protest the price increases enters its final day the event is assumed to still be ongoing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Discott (talk • contribs) 13:53, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose but weakly, seems like a relatively irrelevant encyclopedic issue, but in any case, the article is very decent. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:29, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- In what way is it a "relatively irrelevant encyclopedic issue"?--Discott (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how to answer that. It's borderline interesting, it's barely of encyclopedic value, it's probably irrelevant in the "2019 calendar". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Gosh I would not say that to a Zimbabwean or someone from southern Africa. Would a similar event of the same scale in the USA (for example) also be borderline interesting? Also why is it irrelevent in the 2019 calendar? It did take place entirely in 2019 after all.--Discott (talk) 21:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Gosh indeed. In response to your question, it's got nothing to do with the calendar, I'm just not seeing it's in the news. Please try to remember what I said when I made my first post, it was weak opposition and I acknowledged that the article was in a reasonable condition. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:40, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- I read today in my local paper that Roundup 360 was banned in France. I don't suppose that will have been ITN either. ^^ SashiRolls t · c 22:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- I don't even know what that means. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- I read today in my local paper that Roundup 360 was banned in France. I don't suppose that will have been ITN either. ^^ SashiRolls t · c 22:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Gosh indeed. In response to your question, it's got nothing to do with the calendar, I'm just not seeing it's in the news. Please try to remember what I said when I made my first post, it was weak opposition and I acknowledged that the article was in a reasonable condition. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:40, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Gosh I would not say that to a Zimbabwean or someone from southern Africa. Would a similar event of the same scale in the USA (for example) also be borderline interesting? Also why is it irrelevent in the 2019 calendar? It did take place entirely in 2019 after all.--Discott (talk) 21:28, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how to answer that. It's borderline interesting, it's barely of encyclopedic value, it's probably irrelevant in the "2019 calendar". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- In what way is it a "relatively irrelevant encyclopedic issue"?--Discott (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support the entry is well written and referenced. SashiRolls t · c 22:21, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support – This news is getting international traction with BCC, CNN, and Al Jazeera reporting on it. In light of deaths, seriousness of the situation, and good quality of the article. I support blurb or some alternative. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- P.S. The government has shutdown the internet.[5] --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support Quite in the news and the article is fairly OK. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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