Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Donald Trump Donald Trump (pictured) wins the United States presidential election and the Republican Party is set to take control of the Senate. Maia Sandu is re-elected President of Moldova. In baseball, the Yokohama DeNA BayStars defeat the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks to win the Japan Series. A canopy collapse at Serbia's Novi Sad railway station kills fourteen people. The ruins of a Maya city, dubbed Valeriana, are discovered in Campeche, Mexico. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Teri Garr Paul Stephenson Peanut Dub Jones Janey Godley Edzard Reuter view — page history — related changes — edit

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January 31

Portal:Current events/2020 January 31

January 31, 2020 (2020-01-31) (Friday) Business and economy Fossil fuel divestment The Guardian becomes the first major news outlet to stop accepting ads from the fossil fuel industry. (The Guardian) (The Hill) Disasters and accidents The Royal Solomon Islands Police Force stop searching for nine people who disappeared at sea on January 15 when their boat capsized. Five men, two women and two children are now presumed dead. (RNZ) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic President Donald Trump announces a close of travel from China of non U.S. citizens or residents in response to the growing Coronavirus cases in Wuhan. (Trump White House Archives) Delta Air Lines and American Airlines announce that they have suspended all flights to and from China amid the pandemic. (ABC News) An airplane with 195 Americans coming back from China is quarantined. (CBS) The Department of Health and Human Services declares the coronavirus a public health emergency in the United States. (CNBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain The Ministry of Health of Spain confirms the first case of coronavirus in the country in La Gomera, Canary Islands, from a German tourist. (El Mundo) International relations Brexit The United Kingdom formally withdraws from the European Union at 23:00 GMT. (BBC News) Subsequently, the Department for Exiting the European Union and the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union cabinet position are abolished with immediate effect upon leaving the EU. (inews) Tanzania–United States relations The U.S. bans Tanzanian official Paul Makonda from entering the U.S. for his announcement about a crackdown on Tanzanian homosexuals in Dar es Salaam in 2018, among other accusations. (Reuters) Law and crime In Farrukhabad, Uttar Pradesh, India, a man is shot and killed by police after taking more than 20 children as hostages for more than 10 hours. Angry locals later beat the hostage-taker's widow to death. It is unknown whether she was involved in her husband's plan. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries Former U.S. Representative John Delaney drops out of the U.S. presidential race. (Los Angeles Times)

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Brexit

Article: Brexit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom formally withdraws from the European Union. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC), (Vox)
Credits:

• Nominated by Mount Patagonia (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Well, after almost four years the day has finally come. For those not in the know, one of the most powerful nations is leaving one of the largest and most powerful supranational organizations on Earth, and it is the first time the procedure for leaving has been carried out in full. It has cause a lot of political and economic turmoil at home and abroad in the past, and will assuredly continue to do so in the near future. The article itself has been put in the ITN section in the past, is generally in good shape, and is being continuously updated. The reason I'm nomming it now is, barring a really freaky event, it is certain to happen at this point. Mount Patagonia (talk) 00:15, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Old news. Just kidding! But there are better targets - Brexit withdrawal agreement, e.g. There's already been some discussion on the talk page. Also, I'd prefer we wait until 23:00 to post. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:28, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• • Yeah I didn't know there was a discussion on the article to link (this is my first time nominating for ITN). If there is a clear preference for a different article, we can swap them out (if it works that way). I also wasn't expecting for this to be posted immediately, just to have enough consensus to post when it actually does happen. Sorry for any inconvenience. Mount Patagonia (talk) 00:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Only affects one nation </sarcasm> Clearly this was going to be posted once official and this day is it. --Masem (t) 00:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I Oppose because it only related to single country, not like Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, which has related to multiple countries, but I Support it for significance.

January 30

Portal:Current events/2020 January 30

January 30, 2020 (2020-01-30) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) Warplanes backed by the Syrian Government strike Ariha, Idlib Governorate, killing at least ten people. (ABC News) Armed men kill at least six Mayangna Indians and kidnap another ten in the Bosawás Biosphere Reserve, Nicaragua. (BBC News) Business and economy Arvind Krishna is appointed chief executive officer of IBM, taking over from Ginni Rometty. (Wall Street Journal) Disasters and accidents Massive floods in Madagascar kill 31 people and displace 16,000 others. (The Weather Channel) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic The World Health Organization declares a "global emergency", a rare designation that helps the international agency mobilize financial and political support to contain the pandemic. (CNBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy More than 6,000 passengers are barred from disembarking a cruise ship docked at Civitavecchia, Lazio, Italy, after authorities expressed concern that two Chinese passengers have the coronavirus. (The Guardian) Two cases of novel coronavirus are confirmed in Italy after two Chinese tourists are recovered in Rome. (Il Messaggero) COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China COVID-19 pandemic in Tibet Tibet reports its first case. (India Today) Law and crime The Virginia, Nevada, and Illinois state attorneys general file a lawsuit to get the Equal Rights Amendment added to the Constitution of the United States. (CNN) Japanese prosecutors issue arrest warrants against a former United States special operations forces soldier and two others for allegedly helping Carlos Ghosn to escape from Japan. Another arrest warrant was issued against Ghosn himself. (Reuters) The U.S. Customs and Border Protection reports that in August it discovered a 1,313 m (4,308 ft) smuggling tunnel running from Tijuana to San Diego, making it the longest tunnel of its type along the Mexico–United States border. It was possibly used by the Sinaloa Cartel. (BBC News) Catholic Cardinal Philippe Barbarin is acquitted by an appellate court of having covered up allegations of child sexual abuse by a former priest. (Reuters)

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WHO Public Health Emergency of International Concern declaration on novel coronavirus

Article: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Health Organization declares the outbreak of respiratory disease from a novel coronavirus to be a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. (Post)
News source(s): WHO, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Espresso Addict (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know we've just had an item on this, but we have generally run PHEIC declarations in the past. Article is being continuously updated. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support this had always been my threshold for ongoing. Suggest removing from OG, blurb this milestone and let it drop back into OG when it ages off. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. We've already run the coronavirus story. Ongoing is there to precisely to deal with the issue of new and more severe updates being made. We rarely run the same story again because a new development has occurred,even where individual steps seem quite momentous.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose This is a significant development but the article has already been blurbed and is currently at ongoing. I think that's enough for now. If this turns into a pandemic or something obviously more serious than where we are now, I may reconsider. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:53, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Suppport per LaserLegs. Add this blurb and once it drops, readd 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak to ongoing. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:33, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• There's been only 6 "declarations" by WHO since 2009. I think this is the stuff of ITNR autoposting level. 205.175.106.117 (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support per LaserLegs, and in deference to Ebola PHEIC ITN on 17 July 2019 PotentPotables (talk) 00:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Spitzer Space Telescope

Article: Spitzer Space Telescope (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After extending its original 5-year mission to 16 years, NASA terminates the Spitzer Space Telescope program. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Spitzer Space Telescope is retired after 16 years of infrared observations
News source(s): CBS News Science
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The actual command to end the mission will happen within the next 24hr (probably daytime in Houston) tiiiiny chance it will not happen. Masem (t) 04:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I'd support this -- it needs a lot of refs --LaserLegs (talk) 12:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Shutting down a technical device seems rather, er, anticlimactic. – Sca (talk) 13:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Given the fact that Spitzer is in the orbit around the Sun, there will be no spectacular reentry, such was the case of the Mir space station, for example. So, this is the end. Support when the references are addressed. --Tone 14:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle, though oppose on the referencing (which needs a lot of work). We also need to wait for confirmation that the off switch has been flicked and an update added to the article. This is the end of a highly productive mission. Adding altblurb and another source. Modest Genius ^talk 14:35, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Large gaps in referencing. The history section is already tagged as such, and there are several other places where referencing is spotty as well. Fix that and I will change my vote. --Jayron32 15:25, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Tagged article is not of high enough quality to appear on the main page. It has little referencing in the History section.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 17:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see the international significance of such an event. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 23:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

January 29

Portal:Current events/2020 January 29

January 29, 2020 (2020-01-29) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) The Syrian Army say that the armed forces are now in full control of the city of Maaret al-Numan, after they entered it yesterday with little resistance. (France24) Mali War Mali's Prime Minister Boubou Cissé announces that his country will increase the size of its armed forces by 50% in recruitment to uproot jihadist groups. (Reuters) Business and economy The British government announces that rail firm Northern will be nationalized following public outcry over Arriva UK Trains handling of the firm. Arriva says it "understood the government's decision", but blames problems on "external factors" such as rail infrastructure. (BBC News) Facebook agrees to pay US$550 million to settle a class action lawsuit launched in 2015 over its mass harvesting of biometric data in the state of Illinois. (The New York Times) U.S. President Donald Trump signs the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement into law to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement. (NBC News) Disasters and accidents In the Indian state of Maharashtra, two vehicles collide and plunge into a well, killing 26 people and injuring 32 others. (Reuters) Thirteen people are injured in a fire at a high rise apartment building in Los Angeles, California, United States. (KTLA) Health and environment French Agriculture Minister Didier Guillaume announces that the culling of unwanted male chicks will be outlawed by the end of 2021, becoming one of the first countries to initiate such a ban. (BBC News) International relations Algeria–Bangladesh relations Algeria reopens its embassy in Dhaka, after closing it in 1990. (New Age) Brexit The European Parliament votes 621–49 to pass the 2020 Brexit agreement, making today the last day Britain will be represented in the EU Parliament. MEP and Brexit campaigner Nigel Farage applauds its passage by saying "we'd be better off out", while UK Labour MEP Judith Kirton-Darling tearfully states it "attacks the very foundation of our identity". (Reuters)

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(Closed) Northwestern Syria offensive

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Article: Northwestern Syria offensive (November 2019–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Syrian government forces retake the strategic town of Maaret al-Numan in the Northwestern Syria offensive (November 2019–present) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Syrian government forces retake the strategic town of Maaret al-Numan in the Northwestern Syria offensive.
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RopeTricks (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is orange-tagged. I leave it to someone else to delete the tag and make it postable. Banedon (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment proposed Alt1, which eliminates disambig "(November 2019–present)" and adds a full stop. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:17, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose tagged articles should not be featured on the main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:47, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I feel like this blurb is trying to imply something ("strategic town") without stating it outright in a way that can be debated. If the argument is that this is the beginning of the end, I'd say we passed that point when the Turks moved in last year (which we posted). GreatCaesarsGhost 17:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • You might want to check the article on the town. I quote, "As the Syrian Civil War followed, the town's strategic position on the road between Damascus and Aleppo made it a significant prize." Banedon (talk) 22:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
    • ...and Gettysburg was a significant prize in the summer of '63; not so much in '65. Given the current state of the war, this doesn't really change anything. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for a long protracted conflict, I'd expect we'd only post the point that most sources would consider to be the "end" of the conflict (less the skimishes and cleanup that often follow). This doesn't seem be treated that way. --Masem (t) 18:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Another day in Idlib. – Sca (talk) 18:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - Offensive is still ongoing. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 04:20, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Would have supported this as an ongoing link, however, article quality is simply not good enough for the main page. Clean it up, and I'll change my vote. --Jayron32 12:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 28

Portal:Current events/2020 January 28

January 28, 2020 (2020-01-28) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) The Syrian Army, backed by Russian Air Force support, enters the largely deserted city of Ma'arrat al-Nu'man in the northern Idlib Governorate. Only light resistance is reported as most rebel groups, including Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, withdrew their fighters. The city had been under rebel control since October 2012. (Middle East Eye) Business and economy The Barakah nuclear power plant in the United Arab Emirates, the first commercial nuclear plant in the Arab world, is declared ready for operation after years of delays. It is expected to go online sometime during this quarter. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2020 Caribbean earthquake A magnitude 7.7 earthquake is recorded off the coast of Jamaica. (KRON 4 News) Three people, including former Mayor Frank Edwards and his wife Cinda, are killed in a plane crash near Springfield, Illinois, United States. (ABC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic Palau's President Thomas Remengesau Jr. bans chartered flights from China and suspends charter flights from Macau and Hong Kong until further notice. Remengesau is set to issue an executive order to that effect after a meeting with the National Emergency Committee. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China The Health Commission in the central Chinese province of Hubei say there are 1,291 new confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) and 24 more deaths, bringing the total death toll to 106 people. (AFP via New Straits Times) China's paramount leader Xi Jinping tells the World Health Organization he is confident about defeating the "devil virus". (Reuters) Law and crime Prosecutor General of Tajikistan, Yusuf Rakhmon, announces the arrest of 113 alleged members of the Muslim Brotherhood. (Reuters) Investigations involving Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu withdraws a request for immunity to the Knesset. Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit formally indicts Netanyahu on charges of bribery, fraud, and breach of trust in three cases of suspected corruption. (Vox) Politics and elections 2020 New Zealand general election Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces that the next general election is to be held on September 19. (The Guardian) Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Trump peace plan U.S. President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu unveil a peace plan developed by the Trump administration for three years. The plan recognizes Israeli sovereignty over major settlement blocs in the occupied West Bank, as well as the annexation of the Jordan Valley, in exchange for a freeze on new Israeli settlements in certain areas for four years. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas dismisses the plan as "nonsense", while Israeli opposition leader Benny Gantz casts his support for the plan. (Associated Press) Politics of Qatar Sheik Khalid bin Khalifa, aide of the Emir, is appointed Prime Minister, succeeding Abdullah bin Nasser. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Paul Farnes

Article: Paul Farnes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Last surviving RAF fighter ace from the Battle of Britain. Only two other pilots survive. Article looks to be in reasonably good shape. [Memory eternal.] Ad Orientem (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - two unreferenced claims only, the rest is fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:17, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

  Support good to go now. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support As references were expanded earlier today, looks fairly good Joseywales1961 (talk) 20:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks ok.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:27, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Suggest holding off a little, as the outgoing Pete Stark has only been up since 21:12. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support I have managed to improve referencing and expand the article it looks ready to go although there probably could be more added through The Daily Telegraph obituary but I unfourtnately do not have the time.  Spy-cicle💥  ^Talk? 23:01, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yang Xiaobo

Article: Yang Xiaobo (Hubei politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper, Radio France
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former mayor of Huangshi, a major city near Wuhan. Probably the first notable death of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak. Death announced on this date (actual date not yet disclosed). Zanhe (talk) 02:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate and decently referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:02, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article is sourced and recently expanded. TJMSmith (talk) 04:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Harriet Frank Jr.

Article: Harriet Frank Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Is a GA and looks generally good to me, although I don't think some of the awards are directly cited in the body? Could maybe use another set of eyes. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Awards and filmography need cites. Otherwise looks good. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Ref'd those sections. Only thing I can't corroborate is that Edgar Award, so it might be worth removing. Nohomersryan (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Support Good to go. The one CN is not enough to hold up posting given the otherwise solid article quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Lexii Alijai

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Article: Lexii Alijai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Beemer69 (talk · give credit), Tinton5 (talk · give credit) and Surachit (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on January 1, 2020 but was widely reported today (COD). TJMSmith (talk) 22:50, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - This death wasn't recent. It occurred nearly a month ago, where recent deaths are usually people who died within a few days prior. Minecrafter0271 (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Only adding to affirm the death was widely reported when her body was found UPI, so this definitely is stale for RD. --Masem (t) 03:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nicholas Parsons

Article: Nicholas Parsons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit) and Philip Cross (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:11, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support An amazing entertainer who was still working until not long before his death at 96. -- JediLofty ^{Talk to me}_{Follow me} 11:22, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Wait and see if somebody can fix the fact tags without hesitation, repetition or deviation. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Support Article has now been cleaned up sufficiently. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support article looks in good shape Joseywales1961 (talk) 13:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support per others. Spengouli (talk) 13:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support, good improvements took just a minute. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support well respected entertainer in UK, oldest working presenter (at 96) and presenter of longest running panel show since its inception Hoffie01 (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support, looks good to me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted --Jayron32 15:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak

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Article: 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The blurb fell off the Main Page earlier, and I added it to ongoing as there was a prior consensus on the original nomination. Adding a procedural ongong nomination here, and if there is any dissent to it being in ongoing we can remove it. Stephen 03:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting support clearly still ongoing and being updated. No issues. --Masem (t) 03:23, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support This has to stay as Ongoing because it is ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• This is the logical thing to do. – Ammarpad (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post Posting Endorse Filing this under WP:COMMONSENSE. No need to jump through the bureaucratic hoops all over again. It's still front page news more or less daily and likely to remain so for a while. The article is still in good shape. Good call. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting endorse clearly the right call. Lepricavark (talk) 06:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• PP Support – Still very much in the news, more than any other ongoing item we've put in recently.  Nixinova   T   C   07:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Endorse. Clearly still in the news, and likely to be so for a while. Hard to get an edit in edgewise in the article. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support posting as ongoing The story just keeps getting bigger. Nsk92 (talk) 09:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Clear consensus in favour so just tagging as posted. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Automatically support the story is being update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.226.238 (talk) 13:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment – With the toll in China at 106 132 and some cases confirmed elsewhere, we should keep a close watch on this for possible new blurb. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment there was consensus for OG in the original nom, good call from Stephen to post. This is going to be in the box for a year... --LaserLegs (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 27

Portal:Current events/2020 January 27

January 27, 2020 (2020-01-27) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) The Syrian Army besieges the strategic rebel-held city of Ma'arrat al-Nu'man in the Idlib Governorate and cuts the M5 Highway between Ma'arrat al-Nu'man and Saraqib to the north. (Middle East Eye) (Reuters) Arts and culture Albert II of Belgium acknowledges being Delphine Boël's biological father. (The Guardian) Business and economy The World Bank delays its decision on granting a US$500 million loan to Tanzania, in response to pressure from activist groups over the country’s policy of banning pregnant students from attending state schools. (CNN) Brazil's antitrust authority ruled in favor of a pending acquisition of the commercial aviation division of Embraer S.A. by Boeing, without restrictions. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash A United States Air Force E-11A aircraft crashes and catches fire in Ghazni Province, eastern Afghanistan. All five people on board are killed. (BBC News) (Voice of America) 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides Widespread flooding and landslides in Brazil cause 50 deaths and force thousands to evacuate their homes. (Fox News) Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 A Caspian Airlines passenger airliner crash lands on a runway and skids onto a major highway in Mahshahr, Iran, leaving 2 injured. (Sky News) A fire destroys at least 35 houseboats moored along the Tennessee River in Scottsboro, Alabama, United States, killing eight people. (Sky News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China Chinese Premier Li Keqiang visits Wuhan, the epicenter of the pandemic, to direct epidemic prevention. (Reuters) Six travelers from China are denied entry and turned away from Samoa following the island country's introduction of a ban on all travelers from China. They later arrive in Fiji, where they are quarantined with no symptoms. These strict regulations come after a measles outbreak ravaged Samoa last month. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Germany confirms its first case of novel coronavirus in the state of Bavaria. The infected man has been placed in an isolation ward and the risk of further infection is currently considered to be "low", according to the Bavarian Health Ministry. (Deutsche Welle) Law and crime A court in Cairo, Egypt, sentences 37 people to prison terms, including eight to life imprisonment for supporting or joining Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant affiliate in the Sinai Province. (Reuters) Politics and elections Politics of Slovenia Slovenian Prime Minister Marjan Šarec submits his resignation after losing the parliamentary support of The Left party in November and calls for snap elections. (Reuters) 2019–20 Lebanese protests The Lebanese government votes 49–13, with eight abstentions and the rest boycotting, to pass the government budget in the midst of escalating protests. The budget projects a deficit of six percent, with no new taxes and most of the cuts going to the state utility company Électricité du Liban. Economists criticize the bill for failing to address the issues that caused the protests. (Al Jazeera)

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2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides

Article: 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods and landslides hit southeastern Brazil, killing at least 50 people and leaving thousands outside their homes. (Post)
News source(s): FOX News BBC Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionEstar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Large number of deaths. ArionEstar (talk) 02:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose until significantly expanded. Currently it is a micro-stub consisting of two sentences and a total of 41 words (including numbers). -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality: Two sentences and two refs isn't nearly enough for the main page.  Nixinova   T   C   07:38, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ad Orientem and Nixinova, the article is not nearly long enough for the main page at this point. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support on notability; oppose on quality. Clearly undeniable deserving of ITN, but it urgently needs improvement. MSN12102001 (talk) 15:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - significant event. I have tried expanding the article as required and it should be a lot better now. Droodkin (talk) 20:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

(closed) 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash

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Article: 2020 United States Air Force E-11A crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A United States Air Force flight crashes in Dih Yak District, Afghanistan, killing all five on board. (Post)
News source(s): bbc voa, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by LaserLegs (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The BACN is a civilian type (in this case a Bombardier Global Express), it's not a combat aircraft and the Taliban is claiming they shot it down. LaserLegs (talk) 01:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Wait until the US says it was shot down. 331dot (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per 331dot. We don't have enough information right now and most of what we are hearing is coming from the Taliban. It should go w/o saying that they are not a reliable source for the time of day. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Wait – While the U.S. has confirmed the crash, no details available. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - whether or not it was shot down, the article isn't in bad shape with all that is known included. Mjroots (talk) 12:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Mjroots It matters if it was shot down or not, as that likely affects coverage of this and the significance of the crash. I haven't seen a great deal of coverage of this- but if the Taliban brought down an aircraft, that's much more notable. Military personnel take on the risk of things like this happening when they sign up(unlike civilian aircraft carrying passengers). 331dot (talk) 12:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Whether it was shot down, or suffered a double engine failure (per forum gossip), it is still the first fatal hull loss for the type. Mjroots (talk) 12:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – U.S. retrieves the remains of two crewmen, the only occupants, and says no indication plane was shot down. – Sca (talk) 13:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose somewhat trivial accident by the sounds of things. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:50, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose As I suspected, an unfortunate but run of the mill accident that the Taliban is trying to turn into propaganda hay. Good faith nomination given what we knew at the time (which wasn't much) but no thanks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

"an unfortunate but run of the mill accident" describes the vast majority of these disaster articles we post, and as mjroots points out this is the first hull loss for the type. Still, I see this nom is toast. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

First fatal hull loss. Mjroots (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Caspian Airlines Flight 6936

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Article: Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All 144 people on board Caspian Airlines Flight 6936 (aircraft pictured) survive when the aircraft overruns the runway on landing at Mahshahr Airport, Iran. (Post)
News source(s): Mehr News
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Let's get some good news up for a change. Mjroots (talk) 11:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose unless this has wider news coverage- which may not happen for a simple overrunning of the runway, where the chances of casualties are low(unlike say, the Miracle on the Hudson). 331dot (talk) 11:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose this certainly is good news but not really notable enough for main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support not every day an aircraft overruns, and the MD-80s were extensively built. Weak because the article is still kind of disaster-stubby. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I can only work with what is available. Mjroots (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
    • I know, I'm not judging contributors just reading it that's my sense of it. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – although it's very good news, I don't see this as being notable enough for the main page. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per 331dot, TRM. Glad they all survived. – Sca (talk) 14:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - It's possible the newsworthiness of this item might be inflated due to the previous airline "accident" that took place in Iran. Still, we generally don't post no-casualty accidents on ITN, as morbid as that principle seems.--WaltCip (talk) 15:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• There is precedent for posting a no-casualty accident on ITN. Mjroots (talk) 15:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• ITN was a different kettle of fish back then.--WaltCip (talk) 16:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree that such a large over-run is unusual, as is the under-carriage being ripped from an aircraft full of passengers and it coming to rest on a public road. However, the aircraft seems to have survived as well as anyone could have hoped, and there are only two injuries. A dramatic near-miss certainly, but not significant enough for an ITN blurb. It should be possible to expand the article enough to qualify for DYK. Modest Genius ^talk 15:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We generally don't post near-misses: it would have to be an event like US Airways Flight 1549 ("Miracle on the Hudson") where there was significant attention to the rescue efforts/etc. And even then, not an assurance. --Masem (t) 16:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 26

Portal:Current events/2020 January 26

January 26, 2020 (2020-01-26) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) Afghan forces launch ground and air operations against the Taliban, killing 51 of them in nine provinces of the country. Afghanistan's Ministry of Defense say that the military conducted thirteen ground offensives and twelve airstrikes. In the northern province of Balkh, local officials say that three women and four children were killed. (Reuters) Syrian Civil War, Northwestern Syria offensive (December 2019–March 2020) Syrian government forces retake several cities in the Idlib Province area, amid a push from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to recapture the last rebel strongholds. (Reuters) Mali War Nineteen Malian soldiers are killed in an attack on an army camp. No group has claimed responsibility. (France24) 2019–2021 Iraqi protests Amid further heavy clashes in Baghdad rockets hit the United States embassy injuring at least one. (Al Jazeera) (The Guardian) Arts and culture 62nd Annual Grammy Awards Billie Eilish sweeps the major categories winning Song of the Year, Record of the Year, Album of the Year, and Best New Artist. (Los Angeles Times) Disasters and accidents 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides At least 39 people are dead in the Brazilian states of Minas Gerais and Espírito Santo after heavy rains hit the country's southeast region. (VEJA) 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash Retired NBA player Kobe Bryant, his daughter Gianna Bryant, baseball coach John Altobelli, and six other people are killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas, California, U.S. (ABC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China A leading group on the prevention and control of the outbreak is established, led by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang. The leading group decides to extend the Spring Festival holiday to contain the outbreak. (Xinhua News) Politics and elections 2020 Peruvian parliamentary election People in Peru head to the polls to elect the members of the country's congress after its dissolution in September 2019. (BBC News) Trump–Ukraine scandal An unpublished manuscript of former National Security Advisor John Bolton's book The Room Where It Happened reveals that President Donald Trump told him that unfreezing military aid to Ukraine was conditional on their performing investigations into Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton. (The New York Times)

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(Posted) Grammys

Article: 62nd Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish's "Bad Guy" and When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? win Record and Album of the Year, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year for "Bad Guy" and When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?, the second time in the history of the awards.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year, the second time in the history of the awards.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins Best New Artist as well as for Song, Record, and Album of the Year.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ At the Grammy Awards, Billie Eilish wins all four major categories with her song "Bad Guy" and album When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go?.
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: There probably could be more on viewership, and perhaps mention that the tribute to Bryant was a last minute thing. However, the rest seem updated better than past years. Masem (t) 04:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support, but comment - She also won Song of the Year and Best New Artist. Maybe those two should be incorporated. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support - Article needs a bit more prose, and I've tried to add a bit where I can. Of note, Eilish is the first artist to win Album, Song, Record and New Artist in the same year since 1981, and that was the only other time this has ever happened. That could also be mentioned in the blurb too instead of just the two awards. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 05:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  Changing my vote to a full Support now that there is sufficient prose in this article (For once!). For the blurbs, personal preference is for either alt2 or alt3, but any of them would do. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 21:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support The "Nominations" section is an eyesore and I'd like to see some prose outside of the lead, but thank you all who worked on this article for doing it this year, and staving off the otherwise inevitable ITN/R removal threads. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose original blurb with suggestions I would Support altblurbs because they not only awarding one awards, but also two awards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.76.226.238 (talk) 08:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment for the sake of brevity can the blurb just say "Billie Eilish wins record of the year and album of the year"? We barely fit 4 blurbs in the box these days ... --LaserLegs (talk) 11:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• The nominations section seems to be completely unreferenced — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. History made! MSN12102001 (talk) 12:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support – nominations section is largely, if not entirely, unreferenced; while I don't doubt the accuracy of the information, I think references would be of benefit. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support and proposing Alt III and Alt IV. No need for trivia in ITN. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 13:41, 27 January 2020 (UTC); Edited 16:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  I updated the article to expand on the pre-existing controversy and the tribute to Kobe Bryant. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 16:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment History made indeed. This might be the first time in like five or six years that we've been able to post the ITN/R Grammys on ITN. Thanks, Billie Eilish!--WaltCip (talk) 15:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose no prose outside the lead and also maintenance-tagged. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  That was an inappropriate "too many wikilinks" tag that has now been removed.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Too little prose. The article is also clearly trying to evade the controversies leading up to the ceremony, which should be mentioned. Teemu08 (talk) 15:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  @Teemu08: I've tried to update the article to address these concerns. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Alright, that looks better. Willing to support now. Good work. Teemu08 (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb as it is focused on Billie Elilish alone, instead of the grammys as a whole. I would support a blurb that is a bit broader. --Minecrafter0271 (talk) 16:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  The normal blurb we use for the Grammys is to cover the Album and Record of the year (this is what the first blurb had done) and nothing else. But Elilish "swept" the top awards, a fact that is clearly important by the RSes, so while the trivia (2nd time its happened) can go, naming the 4 major ones she won is fully reasonable. --Masem (t) 16:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  I agree with Masem. The four awards we would conceivably put in the blurb were all won Eilish. Removing her from the blurb also removes the major news story about the awards. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 17:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Sufficient prose now. Alt3 is fine. Looks like this ITN/R might actually get posted for once :)-- P-K3 (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support Alt2, though the others are fine as well. Morgan695 (talk) 19:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

  Glad to see this up. :) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 01:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Altobelli

Article: John Altobelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit) and Yoninah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died in the 2020 Calabasas helicopter crash. TJMSmith (talk) 01:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Jeez, that is some impressive work. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment How would other editors feel about adding his article to Kobe’s blurb? Nonstopmaximum (talk) 07:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Best to keep it just to Bryant, like when Soleimani was killed. Juxlos (talk) 07:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support decent article Juxlos (talk) 07:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - article ready for posting. Good work.BabbaQ (talk) 08:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Good article. Poydoo (talk) 12:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tom Railsback

Article: Tom Railsback (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Neutrality (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Neutrality^talk 23:36, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support Refs are fine, but the Political career section could benefit from a pronoun. Every sentence calls the man Ralisback. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support a few pronouns scattered around now, and article is ok. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted. This was stale actually, but I sneaked it in at the bottom because the death was only reported on Jan 22 — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) Kobe Bryant

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Article: Kobe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured) dies at 41 in a helicopter crash. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured), age 41, and four others die in a helicopter crash.
Alternative blurb II: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured) and four others die in a helicopter crash near Calabasas, California.
Alternative blurb III: ​ American former basketball player Kobe Bryant (pictured), his daughter Gianna, and three others die in a helicopter crash near Calabasas, California.
News source(s): New York Post, ESPN The Guardian, L.A. Times, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Wikipedia is experiencing an explosion of traffic right now so I apologize if this ECs anyone. Information is still coming in but if true, this should be considered for a blurb. He is retired but only recently, and this is extraordinarily unusual.--WaltCip (talk) 20:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Bryant was tops in his field(even if just retired) and the manner of his death is unusual. I don't know if the other four casualties should be mentioned. 331dot (talk) 20:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support: World news and extremely notable former athlete, but lets wait for more details to update the article. MX (✉ • ✎) 20:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support, pitching altblurb 1 The fact that four others died in this crash is also noteworthy. —BLZ · talk 20:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support - All over the place at the moment. If needed here is another source ABC. PackMecEng (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support alt1 I think the fact that this nuked Wikipedia's servers is pretty good evidence of blurb notability. At a glance the article looks in fairly good shape and I don't think it is too big of an issue for the main page. Yes, it needs a little tuning, but that will be challenging until the news dies down. I'm willing to IAR a little here given the unique circumstance of his article being for all intents and purposes uneditable right now. Agree that the others in the crash should be mentioned Teemu08 (talk) 20:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support: Both blurbs looks good to me (the four other can be mentioned, but the noteworthy event is Bryant’s death rather than the crash itself) but this should be posted after the WP outage dies down. — MarkH₂₁^talk 20:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment As a Wikinotable person has been killed in an aviation accident, a stand-alone article on the accident is justifiable. The aircraft in question was a Sikorsky S-76B, which is a large helicopter. Am being affected by the reported issues accessing Wikipedia in Europe at the moment by only getting intermittent access, otherwise I'd start the article myself. Mjroots (talk) 20:31, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support for blurb, but strongly support for RD It is very good, well reference and notable. But i would willing for support it posted for RD because his death.
• Support blurb3 - Top of field, unusual death, article is of good quality.  Nixinova   T   C   20:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on completely unsourced tables. There are a handful of sentences that could use a cite but I can overlook those given the generally decent condition of the rest of the article. But all of the stats tables are unsourced. That needs to be fixed before this can be posted. [Note: The servers are barely functioning under the weight of all the traffic, so I'm having trouble refreshing pages and this oppose may already have been resolved by time I get it posted.] Support blurb once these issues are resolved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Tables now sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support blurb, with the third being my preference. The article has 447 citations and is almost entirely sourced. Kees08 (Talk) 20:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support blurb sources are saying it's his four daughters who have also died.... needs to go into the blurb. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm hearing conflicting information on that. It's not mentioned in the ESPN article.--WaltCip (talk) 20:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• I see that they're saying it was one of his daughters, not all four. But it hasn't been confirmed (or denied) yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, the four daughters info from ABC has since been deleted. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• (multiple times EC) We have a consensus for a blurb. The article is loading super slow so it will take it a while to expand the updates but the basics are there. Posting. --Tone 20:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• (ec × ∞) Support Kobe's death is why servers are on the fritz? Oh. A world-class athlete dying at 41 (the kind of death that makes me exclaim "HOLY SHIT" and drop my phone when I first saw), is much different than a septuagenarian comedian with dementia. This will be reflected in the press as writers put out their thinkpieces in the coming hours. The death is news, rather than merely being in the news. Article quality is great. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Blurb two time MVP winner doesn't strike me as "transformative world leader" in his field and he doesn't pass the "Mandela/Thatcher" test for me. Still the media circus probably justifies. Awards section in the infobox needs refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The other thing that merits a death a blurb is if the death itself is a notable event, not just the career of the deceased person. 331dot (talk) 21:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

🏆 Five-time NBA champion

🏅 2008 NBA MVP

🏅 Two-time NBA Finals MVP

🏅 Two-time NBA scoring champion

🏅 Two-time Olympic champion

🏆 2018 Academy Award winner

The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• (edit conflict × 2)Support His death broke Wikipedia. What more do we need? The article itself isn't accessible right now, so I can't really look through it, though. — Gestrid (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

You're the second person to attribute the availability issues to Bryants death. Is there some RS reporting the same? --LaserLegs (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2)Not that I know of, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. TMZ's site also went down when they broke the news. — Gestrid (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Looks like a planned upgrade caused a spike in CPU usage and response times -- not Bryants death. Just wanted to close the loop on that one doesn't affect support for blurb at all. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support ALT1 preferred; the other four people deserve some recognition. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I couldn’t even so much as fix a typo because a billion people came to Wikipedia at the same time. (I for one didn’t believe it was really Kobe Bryant. I thought there was another Kobe Bryant who was a basketball player and Oscar winner too. Then I thought, maybe it was his dad. Absolute disbelief.) Hopefully, the page is stable enough to actually be a recent death notice. ⌚️ (talk) 21:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment For the record, it's a little premature to say his death "broke Wikipedia". The site has been having problems all day. Wikipedia tweeted about it at 11:20 PT. TMZ broke the news about Kobe Bryant's death at 11:24. Surachit (talk) 21:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Would we be able to remove the word "former"? I don't think it's necessary. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Take it up at WP:ERRORS.  Nixinova   T   C   21:19, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

    No, this is the place to discuss wording changes, not ERRORS, but in any case the word "former" has already been removed. Thx  — Amakuru (talk) 22:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

    I've raised this at ERRORS. He wasn't a ball player when he died, so he was a former player. It's an important distinction that needs reinstating. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment image needs to be replaced. And yes, it wasn't this death which broke Wikipedia, it's been a bit broken all day. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:21, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment ESPN now saying that one of Kobe's daughters died in the crash.--WaltCip (talk) 21:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment image should be replaced with one of kobe. Bohbye (talk) 21:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• ’’’Comment’’’ As WaltCip mentioned above, add daughters death to the blurb. DrewieStewie (talk) 21:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• (edit conflict)Comment TMZ corroborates this report about his daughter, and it's currently in the Wikipedia article. Was apparently told to TMZ by a rep for Kobe. https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1221533868433592320 — Gestrid (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – L.A. Times says "and four others" but doesn't mention daughter (filed abt 2130 UTC). Mercury-News says "unclear" if family members on board. – Sca (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  There are literally dozens of other RS saying as much. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Calif. sources. – Sca (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Say wut? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know you were from Kentucky. Sca (talk)

AP quotes 'source' saying daughter Gianna also killed (filed 2145 UTC). – Sca (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Let's leave professional scrutiny to the professionals. If the majority of reliable sources are corroborating Gianna's death, then we go with that.--WaltCip (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Of course, but bear in mind the AP is the world's largest news-gathering organization. – Sca (talk) 21:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yep, we'll stick with RS, this is Wikipedia, not Reuters or the BBC. Vast majority of sources now stating that his daughter was with him when they perished. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:01, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment While deeply tragic, his daughter Gianna is not independently notable and I am not seeing any reason to name her in the blurb unless we are going to name all of the other people who also died. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, in a high-profile case like this it could be argued that she's notable by virtue of being his daughter and also being killed. It's a judgment call. – Sca (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, I think it's a case of us all being human beings, it's simple to appreciate that the loss of Bryant and his daughter is worthy of note. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

L.A. now confirms Gianna as victim. – Sca (talk) 22:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

That's the link I posted a while ago... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:15, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

She wasn't there when I first looked at it, but now she is. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Added his daughter to the blurb.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

NYT confirms Gianna. – Sca (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Plenty of RS have confirmed this for at least an hour, I don't think it's necessary now to continue to add more when it was made clear to you some time back. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

NYT is the most respected U.S. newspaper with the largest staff. I was a bit uneasy until they confirmed it. – Sca (talk) 22:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - 9 people in total now confirmed dead. Blurb should be updated to reflect this. Andise1 (talk)
  • Source for nine deaths [2] - Floydian ^τ _¢ 23:18, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

    Floydian, take it to WP:ERRORS. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting blurb support This is exactly the scenario that, in terms of RD guidance, would be taken as an "unusual death", and also with fair consideration of how significant Bryant was (If it was some random 2nd string from a NBA team, that likely would have just been RD, no blurb). This is ITNC RD processing working as intended. --Masem (t) 23:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose blurb per LaserLegs. One could say Kobe Bryant has won lots of titles, but so have other players. What makes his death more notable then - an unnatural manner of death hardly seems convincing. Banedon (talk) 01:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Kobe Bryant is the most accomplished player in the 21st century in a sport labeled as "global" by at least one person in WT:ITNR. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • An unnatural manner of death and at a relatively young age is an accepted and explicit factor for posting a person's death as a blurb, not even factoring in Kobe Bryant's phenomenal status in sports.--WaltCip (talk) 02:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb per above. Davey2116 (talk) 01:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb one of the greatest basketball players ever + a sudden death that absolutely stuns millions of Americans = a blurb. Lepricavark (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

"Not a good look for ITN." – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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Comment Oh FFS, it's posted. OK? Can the rabid fans with their post-posting comments please move on to other more useful tasks? There are always nominations needing more work. Your love for Bryant and for basketball won't help that. It just highlights the US-centrism of this place. HiLo48 (talk) No need to be rude. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 02:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Editors obsessing over one person while ignoring lots of other things to be done for ITN is rude. HiLo48 (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC) That's a weird definition of rudeness. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 02:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC) It's mine. I've made my point. You clearly don't get it. I give up. Bye. HiLo48 (talk) 03:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC) I do not appreciate being referred to as a 'rabid fan'. In reality, I was indifferent to Kobe Bryant even during his playing days. Spiteful comments like the above are unhelpful and have no place in a collaborative environment. Even if you had a point (which you don't), there would have been a better way to make it. Lepricavark (talk) 03:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC) So why did you join five other editors with unnecessary, almost identical post-posting comments? It's not a good look for ITN. HiLo48 (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Might be time to close this whole thread up. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

That has been my point all along. HiLo48 (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Then maybe just stop talking. I'm sure we'd all be very happy with that. Lepricavark (talk) 03:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please don't give HiLo48 what he wants. 72.208.178.248 (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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January 25

Portal:Current events/2020 January 25

January 25, 2020 (2020-01-25) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Two women, one of them pregnant, are killed and seven others are injured when artillery hits a Rohingya village in Rakhine State. The locals blame Myanmar's armed forces. The armed forces deny responsibility and blame the Arakan Army, and say the artillery hit the village amid ethnic clashes. (Reuters) 2019–2021 Iraqi protests Iraqi security forces raid a protest site in Baghdad and try to remove protesters in southern cities, firing tear gas and live bullets, killing four and wounding dozens more. The raid comes after Muqtada al-Sadr ordered his followers to withdraw. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic General Secretary of the Communist Party of China Xi Jinping holds a special Party Politburo meeting where he says that the country faces a "grave situation" as he warns the virus is "accelerating its speed". (People's Daily) The United States orders the evacuation of the Consulate General of the United States, Wuhan employees and U.S. citizens in the city. (The New York Times) Science and technology The Boeing 777X completes its first test flight near Seattle, Washington, United States, after two delayed attempts. (CNN)

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(Closed) Boeing 777X

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Article: Boeing 777X (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing 777X (pictured), the world's largest twinjet airliner, makes its maiden flight. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC News Online)
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by SounderBruce (talk · give credit)

 Mjroots (talk) 10:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I want to support this, but I don't see where the article has a paragraph about the test flight (it should be in production?). The whole production section has tense issues which need adjustment (this happens when you build an article from news stories). Consider "the GE9X first flight has been delayed ... but the slip should not change the engine certification schedule". That was two years ago. Did it change the schedule or not? I don't care enough about the subject to fix the article, but reading through it felt like a 4 year summary of press releases. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:03, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support incremental change but article is good and it's in the news. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:30, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – The test flight of a new design doesn't seem sufficiently significant. – Sca (talk) 13:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support – I think it's okay. 70.138.211.34 (talk) 03:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• non-rhetorical question - what is the value of a superlative "world's largest twinjet" when the world has quadjets? GreatCaesarsGhost 03:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@GreatCaesarsGhost: Quadjets are being phased out. The A380 program ended, the A340 is long over, the 747 is on life-support. Tri and quad jets almost exclusively predate ETOPS certification so there is some notability in the evolution of very large and very long range twin jets. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose It's a derivative of an existing model (although a larger derivative than others). Even a newly designed aircraft with no prior derivatives failed to garner enough support for inclusion on ITN and I don't see why Boeing 777X should be any different (other than having the word "Boeing" attached to it). OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 15:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

That was 7 years ago .... we're not doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• Questions: it's unclear to me how much this differs from existing variants of the 777. If we posted this, would it set a precedent for every minor modification of a major airliner? And would it not be better to wait until the aircraft enters service (2021 if all goes to plan)? Modest Genius ^talk 16:55, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
  • They added four frames to stretch it out. The big question is if it will require a new type certificate or not. If it's the former it may not be that noteworthy but if the latter then it's functionally a new aircraft. Now is when it's most likely to be in the news ... we post 8 to 14 air crashes a year, personally I feel like we can do one new aircraft variant every two years but that's just me. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose - How a TEST FLIGHT notable enough to be in "In the News?" --Minecrafter0271 (talk) 19:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment if this winds up posted, it'll be rather contradictory, considering Microsoft terminating support for Windows 7 wasn't posted and both Windows 7 & the Boeing 777X are the products of certain companies. Banedon (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, does not seem notable enough for the main page considering the flight itself, the subject of the blurb, does not even have its own page. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Jordan Sinnott

Article: Jordan Sinnott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian; BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died 25 January Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support slim article but enough, and referenced, and tragic death. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. I'm not seeing anything about his recent career. It's mentioned in the infobox but not explicitly sourced. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• I've just added that - it only needed a sentence, to be honest. 'Support and marked Ready. Black Kite (talk) 13:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - just over the threshold for RD. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 15:29, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

January 24

Portal:Current events/2020 January 24

January 24, 2020 (2020-01-24) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2019–2021 Iraqi protests, American-led intervention in Iraq (2014–2021) Hundreds of thousands march in Baghdad to protest the presence of the United States in Iraq. (CNN) Business and economy Indonesia agrees to increase its imports of buffalo meat, automobiles, and sugar from India in exchange for an increase in imports of Indonesian-produced palm oil, amid a growing trade dispute between India and Malaysia. (Times of India) (Yahoo! Finance) Disasters and accidents 2020 Houston explosion Two people are killed and 18 injured in a warehouse explosion in Houston, Texas, United States. (Associated Press) 2020 Elazığ earthquake 41 people were killed and more than 1,600 were injured in an earthquake centered near Elazığ in Eastern Anatolia. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Mainland China, Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on The Walt Disney Company Shanghai Disney Resort temporarily closes ahead of the Lunar New Year "in response to the prevention and control of the disease outbreak." (AFP via GMA News Online) The Cook Islands Ministry of Health issues an edict mandating that all expatriate workers receive MMR vaccines, or risk losing their permits. (Cook Islands News) International relations Iran–Saudi Arabia relations Responding to Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif's comments that Iran is "open to dialogue with its neighbors", Saudi Arabia's Adel al-Jubeir blames Iran for recent tensions in the Middle East and for attacks on ships and oil facilities; which Iran denies. (CNBC) Censorship in Singapore, Malaysia–Singapore relations Malaysian human rights advocacy group Lawyers for Liberty sues Singaporean Home Minister K. Shanmugam in Malaysian High Court after his office invoked the country's anti-fake news law to censor the group's criticisms of the death penalty there. The plaintiff argues that the move represents "an attempt by Singapore to encroach upon, stifle or crack down on freedom of speech in Malaysia". (South China Morning Post) Morocco–Spain relations The foreign ministries of Spain and Morocco announce they will hold talks to resolve a dispute over territorial water rights in the North Atlantic, caused by the Moroccan parliament passing two laws that extended its claims to the coast of Western Sahara earlier this week. Spain expressed concerns that these laws would encroach on its claims near the Canary Islands. (Reuters) Law and crime 2020 Rot am See shooting Six people are killed and two others wounded when a man opens fire on his family members in Rot am See, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. The mass shooter's parents are among the dead. (ABC News) LGBT rights in Mauritania Police detain a gay couple in Nouakchott after a video purportedly of them marrying in a secret location emerges, in what is considered to be the first major prosecution of its kind in recent years. The attendees in the video were also detained. (North African Post)

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(Posted) RD: Pete Stark

Article: Pete Stark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L A Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Neutrality (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He served in the US House of Representatives for 40 years. A few citations are needed, but it's otherwise an okay shape. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

• Could use eyes... – Muboshgu (talk) 17:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 20:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

RD: Rob Rensenbrink

Article: Rob Rensenbrink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBCWashington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Dutch footballer. Death announced today (26th). Have updated article with his death but it needs a lot more work. Black Kite (talk) 13:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose substantial work required. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:57, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yuri Viktorovich Kuznetsov

Article: Yuri Viktorovich Kuznetsov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rossiyskaya Gazeta, RIA Novosti
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Spokoyni (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Military leader, Hero of the Soviet Union, local/regional politician Spokoyni (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - sourced. Ready.BabbaQ (talk) 11:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 15:26, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 Elazığ earthquake

Article: 2020 Elazığ earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A major earthquake strikes Eastern Anatolia, causing 22 deaths and more than a thousand injuries (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 6.7 M_w earthquake in Elazığ, Turkey, kills at least 22 people and injures more than a thousand.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Mikenorton (talk · give credit)
• Created by Pivox (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major damaging earthquake, still a little short on details Mikenorton (talk) 11:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support, but may need further update. Added altblurb. Brandmeister^talk 12:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The "Tectonic setting" is basically filler and you're left with three sentences describing the technicals of the quake and one about the damage caused. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:18, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. But need updates. MSN12102001 (talk) 14:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support ... in principle, pending expansion of thin existing article. (Three sources added above.) – Sca (talk) 14:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Lookin' better. – Sca (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 18:18, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 19:07, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

RD: Clayton Christensen

Article: Clayton Christensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HBR, WSJ
Credits:

• Nominated by Natureium (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Harvard Business School professor and author died of cancer. Natureium (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support - He was notable in the business world and a popular author. - Indefensible (talk) 00:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose On balance, the sourcing here is very problematic. Lots of missing citations or primary sources. Also lots of LDS-alligned stuff that, while not junk, cannot be the foundation of an encyclopedia article. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:48, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose not adequately cited. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support there's nothing wrong with religiously-based sources (that document his role in church institutions) that are reliable. --Varavour (talk) 23:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  But there is something wrong with posting BLPs with [citation needed] tags. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

  That's just the point - they're not reliable (go check RSN if you don't trust me). We wouldn't publish an article about a priest that is entirely cited to the Catholic church. A few in a long article is okay, but of the 28 citations currently in the article, 7 are to the Deseret News and 6 more are written by the subject himself. I've no doubt Christensen has seen broad and sustained coverage in reliable sources; but they are not cited here. GreatCaesarsGhost 05:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

• Question - how does the citing for Christensen compare to Seamus Mallon? If Christensen meets the threshold for notability and his citing is at the same standard or better, then he should be posted. - Indefensible (talk) 01:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  About as well as Boris Johnson compares to Usain Bolt in the 100 meter. GreatCaesarsGhost 05:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

How exactly? There are articles referenced from The Economist, WSJ, Bloomberg, HBS, and Forbes--those are all respectable sources. Christensen's article is actually rated better than Mallon's: C-class vs start-class. - Indefensible (talk) 05:34, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

It is not sufficient to have some material cited to reliable sources, but rather "any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged [must be cited] to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." The bulk of this article is not cited to reliable sources. This is not the place to discuss Mallon - if you have concerns, you may note them in that nomination or in the Errors page.GreatCaesarsGhost 17:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The point isn't that Mallon's article isn't post-worthy, it's that Christensen's article is rated higher than Mallon's [and should thus similarly be posted]. There are more citations for Christensen than for Mallon and only a couple places where the {citation needed} tag is used--if that is really the issue, the affected statements can just be removed. - Indefensible (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, so none of that is of any relevance to getting Christensen's article posted, which is the matter currently being discussed. Separately, but just as important, my comments do not prevent the article from being posted; they only draw an admin's eye to issues. They will sustain or reject my concerns. If you think those concerns are unjustified, the admin may agree. If my concerns are valid, someone will need to fix the article before it can be posted. In any case, there is no need to engage with me whatsoever. GreatCaesarsGhost 03:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) March for Life

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Article: March for Life (Washington, D.C.) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The March for Life, an annual anti-abortion protest, is held in Washington, D.C. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ U.S. President Donald Trump attends the March for Life in Washington, D.C., an annual anti-abortion protest.
News source(s): USA Today, Fox News, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by TheJoebro64 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Lord Voldemort (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The March for Life, a pro-life protest, was held today, drawing around 100,000 people. It usually doesn't get too much attention from the mainstream media (besides Fox, of course), but this year it's different because Trump actually attended it in person. JOEBRO64 20:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment if the 2020 march had a few paragraphs of prose including preparations, speakers, police, counter-marches, etc all that good stuff I could support it. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. If the main hook here is that Trump personally attended, that should be in the blurb. Otherwise I don't see much reason for posting this annual protest, held to commemorate Roe v. Wade. While 100,000 is a large crowd, it isn't a big newsmaker(as noted by the nominator). 331dot (talk) 20:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - not internationally significant and at best, a bipartisan flashpoint for American politics. Droodkin (talk) 20:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Brand news. The president spoke there. MSN12102001 (talk) 22:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

So add something to HIS article. HiLo48 (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Happens every year. Trump did attend for the first time, but it's still a regular event. On top of that, the relevant section about the 2020 March for Life is literally one sentence. Master of Time (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Recurring annual protest lacking the kind of significance we generally look for in order to post such things at ITN. Trump's presence does not alter that reality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose {removed personal opinion}--WaltCip (talk) 00:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@WaltCip: That is way out of line and I strongly advise you to strike or better, simply delete the comment. See also FORUM, NPA and BLP. I'm INVOLVED, so this is not an admin warning but you should know better. This is not borderline or questionable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Politicians attend rallies all the time. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Life doesn't need support. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Politicians attend rallies to hopefully convince those attending they are nice people. There is no news here. HiLo48 (talk) 02:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The March is a routine event - only if it drew massive crowds after the event would we post. And every time a Trump association is added we should ask "Would we do the same if we were talking Obama? Or Bush? Or Clinton? Or Bush Sr.?" and I hope obviously here the answer is no. Trump is an extremely divisfy figure but we have to be very wary of how much attention the media makes of tracking him. We are not in that position. --Masem (t) 02:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Seamus Mallon

Article: Seamus Mallon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ ITV
Credits:

• Nominated by Sheila1988 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: An important figure in the Northern Ireland peace process. Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland from 1998 to 2001 and Deputy Leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party from 1979 to 2001. Sheila1988 (talk) 17:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support Short article mostly referenced although some dead links need to be fixed Joseywales1961 (talk) 18:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment added a few CN tags, most aren't a big deal but his position on NRA violence and police reform need strong refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

  References added throughout including those 2 specified by LaserLegs Joseywales1961 (talk) 20:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• LGTM marked Ready. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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