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March 24

Portal:Current events/2024 March 24

March 24, 2024 (2024-03-24) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine March 2024 Polish airspace violation A Russian cruise missile violates NATO airspace over Poland, prompting the activation of aircraft from the Polish Air Force. (Reuters) (Sky News) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches major airstrikes on Kyiv and Lviv in Western Ukraine using Kinzhal hypersonic missiles and drones with strikes damaging ground level infrastructure at Ukraine's main gas storage site. (Reuters) Nigerian bandit conflict Kuriga kidnapping The pupils kidnapped on March 7 from schools in Kuriga, Chikun, Kaduna State, are freed. (BBC News) 2024 Ecuadorian conflict Brigitte García, the youngest mayor in Ecuador, and one of her advisors are found shot dead in Manabí Province, western Ecuador. (Reuters) Crocus City Hall attack Four Tajik men are charged with terrorism. They are brought to Basmanny District court in Moscow, where they are ordered to be held in pre-trial detention until at least May 22. (BBC) Salvadoran gang crackdown Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele announces the beginning of a blockade of four municipalities in northern El Salvador, mobilizing 5,000 soldiers and 1,000 police officers to arrest suspected gang members. (El Mundo) Three gunmen attack the police headquarters in Yerevan, Armenia. Two of the attackers are injured by their grenades, all three gunmen are detained. No casualties are reported. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 East Sepik earthquake A magnitude 6.9 earthquake has hit a remote part of western Papua New Guinea, killing five people and causing extensive damage to around 1,000 homes. (VOA) Twenty-three people are killed in a rainstorm in Espírito Santo and Rio de Janeiro states, Brazil. (ABC News) A rally car veers off the road and crashes into a group of spectators during the Esztergom-Nyerges Rally between the towns of Lábatlan and Bajót in northwest Hungary, killing four people and injuring eight others. (AP) Law and crime Assassination of Marielle Franco The Brazilian Federal Police arrests three men, including federal deputy Chiquinho Brazão and his brother Domingos, for ordering and planning the assassination of Rio de Janeiro city councillor Marielle Franco in 2018. (G1) (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 Fine Gael leadership election Irish education minister Simon Harris is elected as Leader of Fine Gael following the resignation of Leo Varadkar. At age 37, Harris will become Ireland's youngest ever Taoiseach upon taking office. (AP) Sports Dutch female darts players Anca Zijlstra and Aileen de Graaf, leave the Netherlands National Team to protest trans athlete Noa-Lynn van Leuven playing on the team. (NOS)

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RD: Brigitte García

Article: Brigitte Garcia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Microplastic Consumer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Simon Harris (politician)

Article: 2024 Fine Gael leadership election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Simon Harris will become Ireland's youngest taoiseach following the resignation of Leo Varadkar after running unopposed in the election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Simon Harris succeeds Leo Varadkar as Ireland's youngest taoiseach after winning in the 2024 Fine Gael election.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)

Mentioned in the "Fine Gael leadership" section of Simon Harris (politician) as well. There may be a better article more suited for this nomination, and the article likely needs more updates. Staraction (talk | contribs) 13:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until he formally becomes the Taoiseach. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per Gödel2200. I've also added an altblurb to more accurately reflect when the time comes around. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
• Looks like the change in power will not occur until April 9, so wait until then. Natg 19 (talk) 16:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Not sure if the altblurb works. Leo V. is not currently the youngest taoiseach. Perhaps omit Leo V. from the blurb? --PFHLai (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• Unless I am mistaken LV was the youngest taoiseach when he gained the office, so it works, but the main blurb is better. Black Kite (talk) 18:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Support main blurb, altblurb is a bit clumsy. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

March 23

Portal:Current events/2024 March 23

March 23, 2024 (2024-03-23) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks The Ukrainian Air Force launches a wave of airstrikes across Crimea, with several explosions reported in Sevastopol. Russian officials say at least ten missiles have been shot down over the peninsula, and that at least two civilians have been injured. (NDTV) Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian military states that it has captured the town of Ivanivske in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Barron's) Crocus City Hall attack The death toll from yesterday's terrorist attack at the Crocus City Hall music venue in Krasnogorsk, Moscow Oblast, Russia, increases to at least 137 people. Russian authorities report that 11 suspects, including the four assailants, have been arrested. (Reuters) (The Moscow Times) Red Sea crisis A Houthi missile hits Panamanian-flagged, Chinese-owned and operated oil tanker Huang Pu. It suffers minimal damage and a fire on board is quickly extinguished. No casualties are reported, and the vessel resumes its course. (X) (Newsweek) (Marine Log) Somali civil war 2024 Busley army base attack Al-Shabaab insurgents storm a Somali military base in Lower Shabelle, killing seven soldiers, including the commander of the base, while ten al-Shabaab fighters are reportedly killed in the ensuing shootout. (Reuters) Law and crime The Safeguarding National Security Ordinance law, passed by the Legislative Council, comes into effect in Hong Kong. The new law allows for a pre-charge detention of up to 16 days, and restricts legal rights for suspects, including their access to lawyers. (Hong Kong Free Press) Politics and elections 2024 Tasmanian state election The Liberal Party win a plurality of seats in the state. (ABC News Australia) 2024 United States presidential election Primary elections are held for the Republican and Democratic parties in Louisiana and for the Democratic Party in Missouri. (AP)

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RD: Shahryar Khan

Article: Shahryar Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Omotecho (talk · give credit), Razzsic (talk · give credit) and XMalia (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Diplomat and former chairman of PCB. Ktin (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Maurizio Pollini

Article: Maurizio Pollini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MONTENSEM (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Notable pianist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

• added MONTENSEM and myself to updaters, will look again later - needs more work --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Peter Angelos

Article: Peter Angelos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work. Will be worked on. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) Should be fine now? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Laurent de Brunhoff

Article: Laurent de Brunhoff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Author of the Babar the Elephant series since 1941. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

March 22

Portal:Current events/2024 March 22

March 22, 2024 (2024-03-22) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure March 2024 Ukraine missile strikes Russia launches dozens of ballistic missiles at Ukrainian cities for a second consecutive day with reports of power outages in Kharkiv after critical infrastructure was damaged. At least eight missile strikes on Zaporizhzhia are reported, while a "critical infrastructure object" is damaged in Vinnytsia. More than a million people are left without power across Ukraine due to the strikes, with five people killed and dozens more reportedly injured. (BBC News) (U.S. News & World Report) The Dnieper Hydroelectric Station in Zaporizhzhia is hit by a missile causing extensive damage and a large fire. A trolleybus initially reported as carrying civilians was destroyed in the attack, later confirmed to have been empty apart from the driver who was killed. Shelling also damages one of the two power lines connected to the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. (The Guardian) (The Kyiv Independent) The Russian government states in a press conference that the invasion of Ukraine is now a "war" and is no longer a "special military operation", the official term used for the war by the Russian government. In another press conference later in the day, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov tells reporters that although the invasion is a de facto war, the Russian government is not currently planning to change the invasion's de jure status as a "special military operation". (NOS) (Reuters) (Meduza) Crocus City Hall attack At least 135 people, including two attackers, are killed and more than 140 others are injured in a mass shooting at the Crocus City Hall music venue in Krasnogorsk, Moscow Oblast, Russia, with the building subsequently catching on fire following an explosion. The perpetrators remain at large after escaping in a vehicle. (Baza) (Meduza) (Baza 2) (Reuters) The Islamic State claims responsibility for the attack in a statement issued by its official Amaq News Agency. (CNN) The Freedom of Russia Legion claims that the Russian government committed the attack. (Ukrainska Pravda) The Russian government claims that the Ukrainian government committed the attack. This was denied by them, who instead claim that the attack was a false flag attack by the Russian government designed to provoke public opinion in Russia against Ukraine and allow the Russian Army to mobilize more troops in its invasion of Ukraine. (Anadolu Agency) Jihadist insurgency in Niger At least 23 Nigerien soldiers are killed, 17 are injured, and 34 others are missing after an ambush in Teguey, Tillabéri Region, Niger, by unknown jihadists. The Nigerien junta states that 30 jihadists were also killed. (Sahara Reporters) Moro conflict The Philippines announces that Islamic terrorist group Abu Sayyaf has been "fully dismantled", bringing an end to the decades-long jihadist insurgency. Twenty members of the group remain in Sulu and Basilan provinces, and negotiations are ongoing for their surrender. (Atlas News) (Philippine Daily Inquirer) Nigerian bandit conflict Fourteen people are rescued from kidnappers by Nigerian forces and local vigilante groups in Katsina State, Nigeria. (Channels TV) Disasters and accidents 2024 East Java earthquakes A magnitude 6.4 earthquake strikes Bawean, East Java, Indonesia, causing severe damage. (Detik) The International Organization for Migration (IOM) says that at least 65 bodies have been discovered at a mass grave in the Libyan Desert. The IOM says the bodies are those of migrants who were being smuggled towards Europe. (BBC News) Law and crime Cannabis in Germany The Bundesrat approves a partial legalization of cannabis in Germany, which is expected to come into effect on April 1. (DW) Gang war in Haiti Prominent Haitian gang leader Ti Greg, who escaped from prison earlier this month, is shot dead by police in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. (Sky News) Politics and elections Catherine, Princess of Wales announces that she was diagnosed with cancer following recent abdominal surgery and is currently undergoing chemotherapy. (BBC News)

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RD: Partha Sarathi Deb

Article: Partha Sarathi Deb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, NDTV
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A148:57EA:9AF:7A84 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Erksahin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Veteran Bengali actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:A148:57EA:9AF:7A84 (talk) 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• This stubby new wikibio currently has only 188 words of prose. Please expand it to start class and add more REFs as required. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Catherine Princess of Wales announces cancer diagnosis

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Catherine, Princess of Wales (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Catherine, Princess of Wales, announces a diagnosis of cancer. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/uk/kate-princess-of-wales-cancer-diagnosis-intl-gbr/index.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Urbanracer34 (talk · give credit)

It isn't often a Princess announces a personal matter like this. Urbanracer34 (talk) 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Barring a terminal condition, this is not the type of news we feature at ITN. Further, there's been issues with BLP around how we've covered her disappearance and that's something that needs to be cleaned up before we'd even feature her article on the main page — Masem (t) 00:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Wikipedia does not cover celebrity news, and certainly not simple medical diagnosis. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The announcement of a medical condition is not ITN level news. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We didn't do it for Charles (same nom) and we shouldn't do it for Kate. Brycehughes (talk) 01:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• support sorry but i think this was closed prematurely after only 4 votes. this page is supposed to represent what's in the news, and her cancer story is number 1 news everywhere. not just on lower class news outlets like TMZ and such but on nyt and wapo and wsj as well, and on all 3 it's the most read piece of news even above that russian terrorist attack. Kasperquickly (talk) 08:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Wikipedia is not a celebrity news site. A royal announcing they have an illness is absolutely not the level of international importance to warrant ITN. AusLondonder (talk) 08:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2024 Crocus City Hall attack

Article: 2024 Crocus City Hall attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass shooting and explosions kill more than 40 people at the Crocus City Hall (pictured in 2013) in Krasnogorsk, Russia. (Post)
News source(s): NBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Created by Astral.Pirate25 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk · give credit), Significa liberdade (talk · give credit), JayCubby (talk · give credit), QuillQuasar (talk · give credit) and Staraction (talk · give credit)

Developing situation - article likely needs more work as events unfold. Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Support. Maybe mention ISIS in the blurb as they have just claimed responsibility Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gödel2200: I've removed your nom, as Staraction was slightly faster in nominating. Natg 19 (talk) 18:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability due to the scale of the event, though the article will need a lot of work before posting. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, although, yeah, it'll need improvement. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  nb. over 130 people were injured, not killed. article says over 40 were killed. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  corrected - thank you! Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability as per above. 209.147.23.77 (talk) 19:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle. A terrorist attack with such a death toll is certainly notable. However, there are very little details in reliable sources, so it may take some time until the article is expanded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability though the correct death toll (at least from articles I've seen on the topic) is 40 not 140, though this is still breaking news and English-language info on the subject is still sparse so we can reasonably expect figures to fluctuate for a little while as more news comes out. Horribly shocking tragedy no matter what figure is correct. As for quality, the article is being developed rapidly and changes every time I refresh. Last I checked it didn't look like it was missing any sources, but it's still stubby due to the limited info available at this time. Support posting once expanded.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability There are several people working on this currently, so I have no doubt that it'll be as current as sources allow and should be ready for ITN in time. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support once the article is ready. The Moose 19:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support once it's ready. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 19:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Note: I've boldly added some people I've seen updating the article in the history to the "updaters" section, although I'm sure I've missed some. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 19:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Very notable, the high death toll and the rarity of such an event occurring in Russia definitely makes this ITN-worthy once ready. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment - should blurb reference Krasnogorsk, Moscow Oblast, Moscow, or some combination of the three? Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd say something like at the Crocus City Hall in Krasnogorsk, a city outside Moscow or just at the Crocus City Hall near Moscow. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I've opted for the latter - thank you !! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Krasnogorsk, Russia. If this happened in the US or UK, we'd say in Gaithersburg, United States or in Watford, United Kingdom, never just "near Washington" or "near London". If someone wants to know where in Russia that is, that's what we have an encyclopedia for. —Cryptic 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

changed as such, thank you! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support, needs a little more work but overall very good. Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [T/C] 20:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose using image until public domain / CC images of the actual incident are available Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  +1 queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  It is very unlikely that we can get PD images of the event as it happens, and further being in Russia. We never require free images of events in progress, though if we can, hey great. However, we can use a PD image of the city hall from 2013 as I've added. — Masem (t) 22:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 21:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen Could you update the death tool and image? Prodrummer619 (talk) 20:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

March 21

Portal:Current events/2024 March 21

March 21, 2024 (2024-03-21) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Ministry of Defence announces that its forces have captured the Ukrainian village of Tonenke in Donetsk Oblast. (Al Arabiya) Kyiv strikes Russia launches a massive attack on Kyiv and the surrounding region with ballistic and cruise missiles, injuring at least 17 people. (CNN) Mykolaiv strikes At least one civilian is killed and four others are injured in a Russian ballistic missile attack on Mykolaiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Islamic State–Taliban conflict 2024 Kandahar New Kabul Bank bombing A suicide bomber kills 21 people and injures 50+ at a New Kabul Bank in Kandahar, Afghanistan. ISIS-K claims responsibility. (TOLO News) Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war The Islamic Resistance in Iraq launches drone attacks on Kiryat Shmona Airport and Ben Gurion Airport in Israel. (Mehr News Agency) (Islamic Republic News Agency) Disasters and accidents A capsized boat carrying Rohingya refugees is found off the coast of Aceh, Indonesia, with 69 refugees rescued. (NOS) The death toll of the capsized South Korean-flagged tanker Keoyoung Sun increases to nine with one person still missing. (Reuters) International relations Accession of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the European Union The European Council agrees to open talks on Bosnia and Herzegovina's membership of the European Union days after the recommendation by the European Commission. (AP) Law and crime A court in Russia sentences the Volga Maniac serial killer to life in prison for the murders of 31 elderly women in Tatarstan in 2011 and 2012. (Reuters) Pope Francis laicizes Belgian bishop Roger Vangheluwe due to allegations of abuse. (NOS) The Dutch Royal Marechaussee arrests three British soldiers of the HMS Prince of Wales after multiple incidents in Rotterdam, Netherlands. (NOS) Filipino former legislator Arnolfo Teves Jr. is arrested in Dili, East Timor, after being placed in the Interpol Red Notice in connection with his role in the 2023 massacre in Negros Oriental, Philippines. (AFP via Barron's) Politics and elections President of Vietnam Võ Văn Thưởng resigns after just over a year in office amid the Communist Party's anti-corruption campaign, making him the shortest-serving president in Vietnamese history. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) (Bloomberg)

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RD: Markus Jooste

Article: Markus Jooste (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2][3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and BoonDock (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Looks to be in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article seems to be of good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks in good shape to me. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Frédéric Mitterrand

Article: Frédéric Mitterrand (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a little bit of work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

March 20

Portal:Current events/2024 March 20

March 20, 2024 (2024-03-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes A Russian missile strike kills at least five people and injures eight others in an industrial area of Kharkiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war Three Jenin Brigades militants are killed during an airstrike against a vehicle by Israel in Jenin, Palestine. (Al Mayadeen) Gang war in Haiti Gangs attack the neighborhood of Pétion-Ville in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, killing at least five people. (The Washington Post) The United States evacuates its citizens by helicopter as fighting spreads. (The Guardian) Insurgency in Balochistan Eight Balochistan Liberation Army gunmen are killed after trying to storm Gwadar's port in the Balochistan Province, Pakistan. Two security guards are also wounded in the gunfight, which lasted for two hours. (Al Jazeera) Mexican drug war Twelve bodies are found in Mexico, five inside a truck in the municipality of Villa Corona, Jalisco and seven in Sonora. (El Universal) Disasters and accidents Twelve people are killed in an explosion at a mine in Harnai District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (AP) Eight people are killed, one is injured, and two are missing after the South Korean-flagged tanker Keoyoung Sun loaded with 980 tons of acrylic acid capsizes near Mutsure Island, Yamaguchi Prefecture, Japan. (Al Jazeera) International relations Argentina–Venezuela relations Argentina tells the International Civil Aviation Organization that Venezuela violated the Convention on International Civil Aviation when Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro banned Argentine aircraft from its airspace earlier this month. (Infobae) Politics and elections 2024 Fine Gael leadership election Leo Varadkar announces his resignation as Taoiseach and leader of Fine Gael, triggering a leadership election. Varadkar will remain as Taoiseach until his successor as party leader is elected. (CNN) 2024 Indonesian general election The General Elections Commission announces that Prabowo Subianto had received the most votes in the presidential election, but the determination of the winner as president-elect is still waiting complaints from other candidates at the Constitutional Court. (Al Jazeera)

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(Closed) Vaughan Gething as First Minister of Wales

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Article: Vaughan Gething (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Vaughan Gething (pictured) is officially appointed as First Minister of Wales after winning the 2024 Welsh Labour leadership election, becoming the first Black leader of any European country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Vaughan Gething (pictured) is officially appointed as First Minister of Wales, becoming the first Black leader of any European country.
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
• Created by Daicaregos (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DankJae (talk · give credit), Headhitter (talk · give credit), DeFacto (talk · give credit), Muaza Husni (talk · give credit) and Oltrepier (talk · give credit)

Article updated

This bit of news seemingly went under the radar, but I think it's still relevant, given that Gething is now the first Black politician to lead the government of a European country (if we count each part of the UK separately). Oltrepier (talk) 14:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think this is of international importance, sorry. Wales is not really an independent country in that sense and it's not even made front page news in the UK. Secretlondon (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Not a sovereign state and race should be irrelevant unless you're a racist. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 16:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

The UK naming their subdivisions "countries" just makes this misleading. He is not the leader of a sovereign state, so making the comparison by saying "of any European countries" on a technicality doesn't really make sense. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Subdivisions of the UK are countries in their own right, Wales is a country. It's just not fully sovereign nor independent. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose As per above, saying he is the first black person to be the leader of a European country is misleading, as Wales is not a sovereign state. And because this is not the appointment for a sovereign state, I don't think it is ITN worthy. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose See List of ethnic minority politicians in the United Kingdom for a long list of prior cases, not least Disraeli and Sunak. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

  Would it be racist of me to point out how those ethnic minorities aren't black people? If so, nevermind. If not, think about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nom per above. Changes in sub-national (sovereign) political offices almost never get blurbed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose ...until somebody can convince me that the colour of his skin matters here. I was not aware that Wales was the kind of place where people discriminated on the basis of such trivial differences between people. HiLo48 (talk) 22:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as subnational. The Kip 00:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Timothy Hayward

Article: Timothy Hayward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VTDigger
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Significa liberdade (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Death reported 20 March. Thriley (talk) 07:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: I would argue that the article isn't "of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page". Most of the article is developed from a single obituary. As the person who expanded the article from the obituary, I couldn't find many other sources, though they may be available through newspaper archives. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 14:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for your work. I thought I’d nominate it now and expand it in the next day or so when I have more time. Best, Thriley (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  This new wikibio is eligible for RD for a few more days. Lots of time for anyone who saw this nom here to make it "of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page". Happy editing, folks! --PFHLai (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Billy Kellock

Article: Billy Kellock (footballer, born 1954) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Martin Greenfield

Article: Martin Greenfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Alfred M. Gray Jr.

Article: Alfred M. Gray Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 5.90.235.134 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:59, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks well sourced. Aydoh8 (talk) 23:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Vernor Vinge

Article: Vernor Vinge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): File 770 Boing Boing Ars Technica
Credits:

• Nominated by 2600:1700:38D0:2870:4016:E457:AF41:8BD4 (talk · give credit)

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3-time Hugo Award winning science fiction author. 2600:1700:38D0:2870:4016:E457:AF41:8BD4 (talk) 13:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support A significant prophet of the singularity. Now that AI LLMs have digested Wikipedia and the rest of the world's corpus, we start to see this taking shape. The article could use more about his academic career but it appears that he was more of a teacher than a researcher and it's not what he was famous for. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom but I don’t agree with Andrew Davidson’s comments and I will refrain from a FORUM-y flame war on the whole LLM thing. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 10:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Abel Prize

Article: Michel Talagrand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michel Talagrand is awarded the Abel Prize "for his groundbreaking contributions to probability theory and functional analysis, with outstanding applications in mathematical physics and statistics." (Post)
News source(s): Abel Prize BBC Nature NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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The article needs work before its ready. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Comment Would it be better to make Abel Prize the bold link? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:ITNAWARDS says Unless otherwise noted, the target article is normally the winner of the award. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Unfortunately the article is nowhere near a postable state. There's only one paragraph of prose, which is unreferenced, plus a quote from his own book. The rest is just lists of awards and (too many) of his own works. Needs major expansion and third-party sourcing. Modest Genius ^talk
• Oppose article is too short and reads like a CV. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Vietnamese president Võ Văn Thưởng resigns

Article: Võ Văn Thưởng (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Vietnamese president Võ Văn Thưởng resigns (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 183.182.120.235 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This might be premature since successor is not yet elected. Banedon (talk) 05:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment isn't this ITN/R? Change in executive, I assume interim president will be now appointed? Abcmaxx (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  Nope, interim presidents serve while a new election can be set up. Vice-presidents are the ones who get appointed as replacement presidents, but Vietnam doesn't seem to use this system. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 07:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Resignations are not ITNR. In fact, neither is the appointment of the President of Vietnam, since the person who assumes the functions of the country’s executive power, in accordance with the Vietnamese political system, is the General Secretary of the Communist Party. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as the General Secretary holds the power, not the President. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 08:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The president in Vietnam does not hold executive power. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar resigns

Articles: Leo Varadkar (talk · history · tag) and Taoiseach (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leo Varadkar announces his sudden resignation as Taoiseach of Ireland (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Not ITN/R since will stay on until a new Taoiseach is chosen by his party (Fine Gael; also stepping down as party leader), however still one of the most surprising resignations of a well-know leader. Sinn Fein have called for a new election. Varadkar was Ireland's youngest, first gay, and first mixed race leader, who oversaw important social-reform victories; internationally was a supporter of Ukraine, Palestine and a strong opposer of Brexit. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose resignations are not INTR, no matter how much someone with so many “pretty characteristics” resigns, as the nominator explains. Let’s wait for the election of the new Sinn Fein’s leader and, consequently, the next Taoiseach. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

the point I was trying to make was that he was well-known internationally and had a big impact domestically; I wasn't commenting on whether it was commendable or not. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as the election of the new Taoiseach will be ITN/R. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 08:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• More typical to feature when the actual switchover happens. This will also give us more time to get a fuller picture of the story. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:11, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose when someone else gets elected, then that can be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Like the Vietnamese resignation, this is not ITN/R so this is definitely an oppose for me. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:12, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose This will be ITNR when someone replaces Varadkar, but until then, it is not. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for the new PM to be chosen. Modest Genius ^talk 13:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Wait - Until Varadkar is finally gone PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now per above, but I’d like to note an apparent consensus here that leadership elections leading to appointment of a new head of government are ITN-worthy. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 10:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until a new PM is chosen. The Kip 16:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

2024 Indonesian general election

Article: 2024 Indonesian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the Indonesian general election, Prabowo Subianto (pictured) is announced as winner of the presidential election, while the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle wins the most votes in the legislative election (Post)
News source(s): Jakarta Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Election was 14 February, results was officially announced just now. Caveat is that results are subject to lawsuit, but all votes has been counted. Juxlos (talk) 14:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support – This article looks extremely impressive to me, good work! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Article is good, quite notable event eventhough most of the local Indonesians have already predicted the results from the quick count weeks ago SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Exceptional article, looks good to go. General election in the world's 4th most populous country should be posted as soon as possible. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• The article is impressive and has prose updates on the results and reactions. However it has a few quality issues: there are multiple unreferenced paragraphs in the 'electoral system' section, which also refers to the election in future tense; the 'endorsements' section is empty, so should either be expanded or that link integrated into the text; the 'house of representatives' table is incomplete, as is the adjacent figure; so is the 'by province' table. Once those are addressed, I will support posting. Modest Genius ^talk 17:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  I've added sources where required in the Electoral System section (and fixed tense). Aydoh8 (talk) 00:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  There's still an empty section, a blank table, and a blank results image. I'm going to comment them out so this can be posted. Modest Genius ^talk 11:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

  I've made that fix, but there's still no reference for the presidential results table(!) which I think is the last thing holding up posting. Modest Genius ^talk 13:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Wait -I know the margin is very wide, but still according to law, the election commission must wait for Constitutional Court decision before determine if Prabowo become President-elect. Tensa Februari (talk) 01:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  This is like if we waited until the electoral college convened to post the U.S. Presidential Election, as in we're waiting for something that has no chance of actually affecting the outcome. If the Constitutional Court decides to invalidate the election, that is its own news story. Like, if the electors in the Electoral College decided to band together to choose a different candidate than they were pledged to do so, that would be a completely separate and significant event than the actual presidential election itself, since it's never actually happened before and the whole process post voting day is basically just a formality at this point. DNVIC (talk) 03:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  Putin was only declared winner officially yesterday, still he has been ruling the front page since days. Why do the rules change so suddenly? 51.154.145.205 (talk) 13:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficiently good quality to post --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support I actually believe we should post these after the exit poll unless there is reasonable grounds that an exit poll will be inaccurate or it is too close to call. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality The tables for the results of the president and the house of representatives are currently unsourced (as well as the presidential results by province). Considering their importance, I think we should source those before posting. There also seems to be an under construction table for the house of representatives results by province. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

March 19

Portal:Current events/2024 March 19

March 19, 2024 (2024-03-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gang war in Haiti Four armed men storm the Bank of the Republic of Haiti in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, injuring a security guard. All the attackers are killed in the ensuing shootout with police. (The Haitian Times) Israel–Hamas war Israel announces the death of senior Hamas military leader Marwan Issa, following an airstrike on a tunnel complex last week, making Issa the highest ranking Hamas official killed in the war so far. (BBC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russia claims to have captured the village of Orlivka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Anadolu Agency) Somali Civil War Two Somali National Army airstrikes kill 39 alleged al-Shabaab militants in Afgooye, Somalia. (Horseed Media) Disasters and accidents A bus crashes into a tunnel wall on an expressway in Linfen, China, killing 14 people. (AP) Law and crime Rankin County torture incident Former Mississippi sheriff's deputy Hunter Elward is sentenced to 20 years imprisonment for his role in torturing two men in January 2023. (CBS News) Founder of Chinese property developer Evergrande Group Hui Ka Yan is fined 47 million yuan ($6.53 million) and barred from the securities market for life after the China Securities Regulatory Commission accused the group of inflating its revenue. (Reuters) The pro-Beijing Legislative Council of Hong Kong unanimously passes the local enaction bill on national security, which had been tasked by Article 23 of the Hong Kong Basic Law. (Reuters) Former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro is indicted over accusations of lying about his COVID-19 vaccination status. (AP) International relations Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis Armenia begins a process of border demarcation with Azerbaijan in the Tavush Province, amid Azerbaijiani demands that Armenia withdraw its forces from the disputed villages of Bağanis Ayrum, Aşağı Əskipara, Xeyrimli, and Qızılhacılı. Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan says that failure to compromise could result in war "by the end of the week". (Reuters) (RFE/RL) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election 2024 Democratic Party presidential primaries The Democratic Party holds presidential nominating contests in Arizona, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio. (The Hill) 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries The Republican Party holds presidential nominating contests in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, and Ohio. (The Hill) Haitian crisis CARICOM and United Nations officials appoint seven seats out of eight of a presidential council to address the political crisis in Haiti. Once the council is installed, Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry will resign. (Miami Herald)

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RD: Neeli Cherkovski

Article: Neeli Cherkovski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C18:36A3:290E:56E2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American poet. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C18:36A3:290E:56E2 (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Bibliography is uncited. Spencer^T•C 03:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: M. Emmet Walsh

Article: M. Emmet Walsh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TheWrap, BBC, Guardian, AP, NY Times, The Hockey News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mwprods2 (talk · give credit), 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit), Schazjmd (talk · give credit), InedibleHulk (talk · give credit) and Tails Wx (talk · give credit)

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American actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F (talk) 23:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are several paragraphs uncited. Aydoh8 (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Conditional support SUPPORT Clearly notable actor. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Just a note, that notability is not a criterion for posting an RD: An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article that is: 1) Not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion. 2) Updated, including reliably sourced confirmation of their death. 3) Of sufficient quality to be posted on the main page, as determined by a consensus of commenters. We are looking at quality instead of notability. Natg 19 (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Article is clean fully sourced (30 sources) and ready to go. I made major additions and revisions. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now – several statements in the article's "Career" section and nearly the entire "Filmography" section are unsourced. Once I'm done with fixing referencing issues on another ITN-nominated article, I'll work to resolve the unsourced issues on this article if no one hasn't yet by then. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 17:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

There are now lots of sources in the article, and they need to be mined to add to the fillmography and any errant sentences that don't have citations. I don't disagree with Natg 19 although in my opinion the WP:ITN process is persistently perverse. When a person has over 250 documented appearances in films demanding a citation for every one is putting a premium on form over substance. But that's the way you want it ... 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:53, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

The readers had a different take on this. 322,203 297,170 230,000 page views to date to 3/24/2024. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Quite an important and memorable actor in films like Bladder Runner and the Coen Brother's Blood Simple. Countless other roles as well. --David Tornheim (talk) 04:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: BrolyLegs

Article: BrolyLegs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twitter announcement, NME
Credits:

• Nominated by Mlb96 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Professional video game player notable for being unable to use his hands. Article needs to be updated. Mlb96 (talk) 00:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Not sure if we can use Twitter/X as a verifiable source for his death. Natg 19 (talk) 01:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The only outlet that's covered it so far is Eventhubs, which is considered an unreliable source per WP:GAMESOURCES. Hopefully some of the better sources will put out articles on it in the next few hours. Mlb96 (talk) 03:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

    Now there's spam websites paying respects to him (I found one which advertises an Amazon dropshipping scam as a "related topic"). No RS has yet reported on his death. We just wait until either his death is debunked, or an RS reports it. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Wait until an actual RS confirms his death. For all I know this could be another Lil Tay situation.🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) Support NME has just covered his death, article's sourcing seems fine. Source has been added. @Joseph2302: pinging to change your response. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until if a WP:RS confirms his death. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Article looks good. I just changed over the citation. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support - The article is probably the most solid for a fighting game player that I've seen so far. All it needs really is a photo of him. Jotamide (talk) 12:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 21:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

March 18

Portal:Current events/2024 March 18

March 18, 2024 (2024-03-18) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Siege of Gaza City Dozens of people are killed in an Israeli attack on the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. The Israeli military claims that twenty Hamas militants were killed, including a senior figure of the group. (NOS) (BBC News) Al Jazeera Arabic reporter Ismail al-Ghoul is arrested by Israeli forces at Al-Shifa hospital, with the network joined by journalist advocacy groups in denouncing his arrest. (Al Jazeera) Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes Afghanistan claims five women and three children are killed in two Pakistani airstrikes in Afghanistan, following accusations that attacks in Pakistan were masterminded in Afghanistan, which the Taliban authorities deny. In response, Taliban forces open mortar fire on Pakistani troops at the border. (Reuters) Gang war in Haiti The bodies of at least twelve people are discovered in the neighborhood of Pétion-Ville, in the Haitian capital of Port-au-Prince. The perpetrators of the killings are unknown. (Al Jazeera) Nigerian bandit conflict Around 80 people are kidnapped by unknown bandits near Kajuru Station, Kaduna State, Nigeria. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents Schools across South Sudan close for the day, as an extreme heat wave is expected to hit the country. (Firstpost) Law and crime A police officer is killed and two others are injured during a shooting, over a search at a home for suspected drug trafficking, in Charleroi, Belgium. The suspect was shot and killed by police. (DeMorgen) Politics and elections 2024 Cuban protests Hundreds of people protest in eastern Cuba against ongoing food shortages and power outages. (BBC News)

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(Reviewers needed) RD: Ron Baynham

Article: Ron Baynham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Luton Town FC
Credits:

• Updated by Yngvadottir (talk · give credit), Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit) and Egghead06 (talk · give credit)

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English goalkeeper. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

(Reviewers needed) RD: Pearse McAuley

Article: Pearse McAuley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/garda-killer-pearse-mcauley-found-dead-in-co-tyrone-home/a20108041.html
Credits:

• Updated by ErnestCadine (talk · give credit)

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Provisional IRA member, who escaped from Brixton Prison in 1991. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 14:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chris Simon

Article: Chris Simon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, The Guardian, People, TSN
Credits:

• Nominated by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian former hockey player who won the Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche in 1996. While The Guardian reported that he died on Tuesday, but TSN and ESPN both say that his death occurred on Monday. There is an orange-tagged section that needs to be addressed but the rest of the article already looks good. Vida0007 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Aside from the orange tag for expansion, the article is lacking citations, many paragraphs without a source. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: James M. Ward

Article: James M. Ward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Game devoloper
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Game designer and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose One cn tag, lead could be expanded further to reflect why he's notable/list some notable works and the selected works section needs more sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• The Selected works section is largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Konstantin Koltsov

Article: Konstantin Koltsov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A former Belarusian pro ice hockey player. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 07:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. An entire section about his playing career is unsourced. So are his career statistics and awards. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Several paragraphs are unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support – took care of the unsourced issues; the article should be fully referenced and well-sourced! Also expanded his playing career a bit and added an "Early life" section as well. Pings to Jalapeño and MtPenguinMonster for the updated article. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  I think the article is good enough now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:48, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rose Dugdale

Article: Rose Dugdale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTE
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support Article seems well-sourced and of generally good quality --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support, everything looks sourced and the article is a good length. Suonii180 (talk) 14:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Agree with the supports above, ready indeed. Jusdafax (talk) 01:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 15:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Nandipha Magudumana

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Article: Nandipha Magudumana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Wits University graduate and celebrity doctor, Nandipha Magudumana is imprisoned and investigated for 12 crimes including murder connected to a fugitive's prison escape. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Nandipha Magudumana and Thabo Bester plotted to smuggle a body inside Bester's prison cell and set it alight. He faked his death and walked out of the prison disguised in a G4S uniform.
News source(s): [7], [8], [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Dxneo (talk · give credit)
• Created by ihateneo (talk · give credit)

dxneo (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The notable event would be the actual event being investigated, not the fact that she is being imprisoned. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, both because the alleged crime, not the investigation, is the real story, and also because this appears to be a local crime story without wider ramifications. In terms of headline writing: why does it matter what university the suspect went to? GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  GenevieveDEon, because that is what she was known for before all the saga, it is one of the most prestigious universities in SA. If you visit the page you'd actually get my point but Thank you, still new at this. I'll do better next time. dxneo (talk) 00:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The arrest mentioned in the blurb took place in April 2023, and I am not seeing any new updates. I'm assuming the OP is trying to nominate the alleged assault of Magudumana? If so, I don't think that would be notable enough for ITN. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Provincial and stale. Suggest SNOW. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2024 Kolkata building collapse

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Article: 2024 Kolkata building collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A five storey building in Kolkata, India collapsed, leaving 10 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.news18.com/india/kolkata-building-collapse-unchecked-illegal-construction-to-blame-say-locals-as-death-toll-reaches-7-ground-report-8820070.html
Credits:

• Nominated by ToadetteEdit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pokai (talk · give credit)

Toadette ^{(Let's discuss together!)} 19:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality for now, undecided on notability at this time. Key figures like the number dead, injured, and arrested still need sourcing. Article is currently a bit stubby but probably could pass as at least start class, though it would benefit from expansion if/when more details are reported.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality. Article needs significant cleanup and more sources. Aydoh8 (talk) 00:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The event seems to be of relatively low impact, with no lasting effects being described in the article. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Building collapses are not uncommon in India and with 10 dead it doesn't really rise to the level of ITN. There's also only limited coverage. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Inconsequential. Setarip (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We're not a minor disaster ticker. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Johndavies. The Kip 18:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted as RD) Blurb/RD: Thomas P. Stafford

Article: Thomas P. Stafford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Thomas P. Stafford, who flew on the second crewed mission to the Moon, died on March 18 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thomas P. Stafford, who flew on the second crewed mission to the Moon, dies at the age of 93
Alternative blurb II: ​ Thomas P. Stafford, joint commander of the first crewed international space mission, dies at the age of 93.
News source(s): Collect Space, New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Randy Kryn (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Abebenjoe (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Sinbabad (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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(blurb worthy), Thomas P. Stafford, who orbited the Moon on Apollo 10 and was the first, along with Gene Cernan, to fly the Apollo Lunar Module in lunar orbit, died today. Now only seven Moon travelers left, each of whom should be blurbed in this section after their deaths as pioneers of exploration and spaceflight. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb Though no blurb has been proposed. The article is long and well sourced. However, it's a perfect case for RD rather than a blurb. He's not "in the news" for his death besides the obituary, and his feat of space flight was over 50 years ago. Blurbs are not for memorialization, but for deaths that themselves cause significant news. Or at least that's what I think they should be. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Added a short blurb (could be expanded but this is as concise as possible without mentioning the Apollo-Soyuz mission). Stafford's death will likely have much news coverage. He and the seven remaining Moon travelers should all have blurbs, and all will be well-covered by the media (especially the last to die and Buzz Aldrin, although he may be both!) Randy Kryn (talk) 15:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Unlike others here, I do not believe that "transformational in the field" is what makes a blurb candidate, as you can argue that anyone with a wiki article was "transformational" to their field, or else they wouldn't be notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

OWERVELMINGLY SUPPORT yes it ought to be there by morning ... Maybe we can also add to the blrb the Apollo Soyuz test project ? I feel that it was also important As he was the commander of it ....

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Long LIVE Stafford! Ad astra aspera RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Support Blurb The general benchmark for blurb vs. ticker is that the individual was transformative in their field, regardless of when their achievements were. And in this case, having traveled to the Moon is a very, very substantial & transformative thing on history. As mentioned, the number of living Moon travelers has dwindling as well. Each merits a blurb. Fortunately, the article still seems to be in full GA quality, (I saw zero issues there) so that part's an easy support: nice to see more GAs linked on the front page. Nottheking (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Support Blurb per Nottheking Abo Yemen✉ 18:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD due to two unsourced paragraphs in the Post-NASA career section, Oppose blurb due to there being only a one sentence update about his death, meaning the death itself is not notable enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm neutral on the actual nomination, but I really don't think that 'the death itself must be a notable event in its own right' is a viable standard. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Don't want to start a long drawn out discussion, but just to clarify: I mean notable in the amount of Wikipedia coverage and media coverage, not just the manner of death (though this is not a widely shared opinion). Gödel2200 (talk) 23:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I don't have a stance one way or another on a blurb on this one, but if it's not too much to ask, I hope we can go one RD-as-a-blurb nomination without derailing it into a bunch of splintering meta-discussions about what we all individually feel should be the criteria. Everyone's perspective is equally valid on this and there is no need for those who feel differently to create reply chains on each other's messages. Whether you're more in the "at the top of one's respective field" camp, or the broader "having made significant transformative contributions to one's respective field" camp, or the narrower "thatcher/mandela standard" camp, or the even narrower "only when the death itself is the story, e.g. an assassination" camp, there is no one universally agreed upon bar for when to post an RD as a blurb, nor does there need to be one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell that this disagreement will be settled once and for all in any particular individual blurb nomination, so I want to remind everyone that trying would be disruptive. Thanks.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Death isn't impactful/top-of-the-news/state funeral level, so not worthy of a death blurb. Yeah, that's a bit of a high criterion I use, but I don't believe we should run too many death blurbs given that we already have RD. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Old Man Dies No offense, Randy, I know how much space means to you. But if I, a non-fan, can name three bigger names from the moon, that's saying something. If (probably when) Buzz is blurbed, it should mean something, and that certain something becomes unattainable if every old moon man gets the hero's sendoff. Anyway, sorry for your loss. RD soon! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, InedibleHulk, just another old guy riding into the sunset. But before he rode there he and Cernan were the first humans to actually pilot and fly a spaceship around the Moon (or anywhere in deep space): the Apollo Lunar Module is the first actual spaceship. Blurb worthy, nah, something like that happens all the time (or just once, but who's counting). Randy Kryn (talk) 00:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  I wasn't alive when the first two humans actually piloted and flew a spaceship around the moon. I never will be, but I'll be damned if I'm misunderstood to suggest it wasn't a very major milestone! I've seen the souvenirs, they're as numerous as they are serious. Various federal agencies won't commemorate this day in nearly the same way, because all that happened is the guy who already changed the game so thusly died, changing nothing further. Gamewise, I mean. His friends, fans and family should certainly feel a void. But the event from fiftyish years ago doesn't actually replay, it's just in our heads (with me, it's dead wrestlers, but I get the feeling). Kudos to you for paying your respects like this. My opposition doesn't erase that! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Seeing how there's a few people on this plant who could say they flew to the moon, I'd support the blurb on significance, however I know Frank Borman's failed blurb nom shows there might not be a chance this will pass besides as an RD. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose RD on current quality issues. oppose blurb as unlike key astronauts like Glenn or Armstrong who went on to have influential careers and lives after their accomplishment, the same can't be said of Stafford here, or at least the articles gives little indication of such influence. Masem (t) 23:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  • This is pretty bad a contrast: Neil Armstrong has been particularly noteworthy for not having an "influential career" post-Apollo, (and instead maintaining largely a low profile) meanwhile Stafford would later command an arguably more significant spaceflight; you were remiss to make any mention of that. And that's before noting his big influence in the development of stealth aircraft in the 70s through 90s. And even then... There's nowhere that specifies that they have to remain fully active up to their death; otherwise folk like Margaret Thatcher (who was largely relegated to just "making appearances" not long after she ceased to be PM) should never have been blurbed... Or, for that matter, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov. Nottheking (talk) 02:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
    • If there were more significant factors to how Stafford influenced spaceflight or other areas following these missions, its not in the article. I'm looking for content that would fall into an impact or legacy section, which is why Thatcher remains a prime example of the type of people we should blurb on their death (in addition to the fact she got a full on week-long period of mourning recongized by the state). — Masem (t) 03:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb I don’t get why every single person who travelled to the Moon should get a blurb. Despite the fact it sounds spectacular as an achievement, it proved to be a superexpensive project that contributed relatively little to the understanding of complex spaceflight, especially since the last crewed flight to the Moon happened more than fifty years ago. I think Valeri Polyakov’s record for the longest continuous stay in space is of much greater importance with regards to the human presence in space. There are also other notable space record-holders that deserve a blurb more than him.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  • There's a difference between an initial accomplishment & an incremental record-holder. (after all, there's not so much to draw a line of where Polyakov's stay was distinctly unique compared to prior record-holders; you'll need to justify your claim of "much greater importance," especially compared to, say, Skylab) And to outright claim that it contributed little to the understanding of spaceflight? That almost comes off as just a bad-faith claim. You're also ignoring that Stafford was the Commander of Apollo 10, and thus also the first to command a spacecraft away from Earth orbit that they had not launched in... Also that he was the American commander of the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Nottheking (talk) 02:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  • The last crewed mission to the Moon was in 1972, so it had certainly contributed relatively little to the understanding of spaceflight as the future manned missions focused more on the human stay in space through the space stations. I think it's a fair belief from the 1970s that the landing of people on the Moon would largely shape the future of spaceflight, but it proved to be factually incorrect as the history of spaceflight took a different turn. In my opinion, as of 19 March 2024, we should reserve blurbs only for Valentina Tereshkova (first woman in space), Svetlana Savitskaya (first woman to conduct a spacewalk) and Buzz Aldrin (member of the first crew that landed on the Moon) and close the circle.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kiril. No disrespect to Stafford, but even if the number of people to go to the moon is small, it really is just several of the same accomplishment. Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins were worthy of blurbs for being the first trio to go, they deserved blurbs. Don't need everyone having gone to get one, especially given it's inevitable the number of people going to the moon will increase in the future. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Just a reminder, Buzz Aldrin is alive. So currently unworthy and undeserving of a blurb, no matter how big a deal he remains for all the things he did. We don't remember anniversaries here, that's OTD's job. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Michael Collins never landed on the Moon, by the way: the Command Module Pilot remained in orbit during all landings of the Apollo program. Though yes, we did blurb his death. Also to base one's argument on an accomplishment being "inevitable" to be repeated leans into WP:CRYSTAL. Nottheking (talk) 02:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Man, how about that. I had sworn he died a few years ago. My bad there. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD because unsourced passages in article. Oppose blurb on principle. His death isn't a major news story. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 00:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose RD on quality and Oppose Blurb on notability per Masem and Kiril. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Look, this is a message to everyone who opposes the mention. Stafford was Chief of the Astronuat office, moon man, piloted the famous Gemini 6A flight ( first time two spacecraft were close to each other ) and commanded ASTP marked peace in space as now the USSR and USA stopped racing each other to several I did this I did that and marked ☮️ in outer space . Also NO MOON CMP -> NO MOON LANDING AS WITHOUT APOLLO 10 testing everything -> NO APOLLO 11 NO NIEL BUZZ AND COLLINS BECOME A HERO and stuff like that RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 03:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Added altblurb II. I've seen a lot of the emphasis on all opposition centered around downplaying the significance of Apollo 10 (or even the Apollo program in general) but a lot reflects some ignorance of the man's accomplishments. I've added a blurb that focuses on a separate accomplishment that I feel many might consider even more significant. It's worth noting that we bolded the other commander of that mission when he passed away, too. Nottheking (talk) 04:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  I am not a space person, so I would be against blurbing, but I think alt blurb 2 is less noteworthy or well known than the first two blurbs. Most people know of the Apollo missions to the moon, but I have never heard of the Apollo-Soyuz mission. Natg 19 (talk) 05:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose Blurb since the manner of his death is not notable and he is not an incumbent head of state/government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Neither of those is a specific criterion for this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb on notability per Masem. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 07:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• I feel like Anders and Lovell will probably be more appropriate blurb targets, as Apollo 8 was the first crewed moonflight (did we miss Borman btw, or did we blurb him?). That being said, at this point, I would be alright with limiting blurbs to the old moonwalkers and perhaps the very final individual to reach the Moon. Either way, I'll probably support any article with three or more sentences added regarding their death, as I sure do love the Apollo program. I'll also note that there's currently an orange-tag. Can go either way. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Borman was a RD, not a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Good article notice: The article has a "Good" rating, so concerns mentioned above about the quality of the page should not factor into if Stafford is listed in RD or a blurb. At a minimum he should be in RD with the option of a blurb as this discussion evolves (or ends). Randy Kryn (talk) 09:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Quality issue can rise up after the GA badge is added. When I first looked, there was a cleanup tag on a section, which had to have been added after the GA badge. We look at the present state of the article. — Masem (t) 18:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Support RD Stafford led a significant life, not just going to the moon, but also flying Gemini twice and more importantly being commander on the Apollo-Soyuz test project, which was said to mark the true culmination of the space race. Even if his death itself isn't noteworthy, the death of someone noteworthy, who led a noteworthy life, is worthy of mention, particularly when many others who are given recent death mentions lived noteworthy lives with a seemingly inconspicuous death (i.e. died in their sleep). Oppose Blurb as his death isn't a noteworthy event in it's own right. 185.218.220.63 (talk) 10:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

You don't need to justify his significance for RD. If he's in Wikipedia, and his article is free of significant defects, he should be posted. And I still don't think someone's death has to be noteworthy in its own right for someone to be given a blurb.GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt2 - Nottheking has convinced me - the Apollo/Soyuz mission was a truly remarkable achievement in its own right, and is probably Stafford's single greatest personal accomplishment in a very accomplished career. I tend to moderate caution with death-blurbs, but this one has me persuaded. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  I lament that we don't have institutionalized rules on RD Blurbs to restrict them. For me I think the manner of the death itself or its direct impact beyond the person being dead has to be significant (e.g. a serving head of state/government, religious leader, etc.). "Old man dies" is not a news story. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. I don't think Apollo astronauts should automatically get a blurb, and Stafford was frankly one of the least famous of them. When Buzz Aldrin dies he will certainly merit a blurb, but I don't think any of the other survivors were influential enough (maybe Lovell?). There's an orange-tagged section that will need to be addressed before posting in RD. Modest Genius ^talk 12:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I believe I've fixed the two paragraphs without a source, so the article should be ready for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• A comment on sourcing Much of the article is sourced to Stafford's own autobiography [10], which of course means that much of it may be unverifiable. Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  • I would assume a published autobiography through a reputable publisher, in addition to having a co-writer, means that we should assume personal details and aspects he was personally involved with are verified, but things that are given as hersay in his voice which he'd have no privvy to knowing should be used carefully. — Masem (t) 11:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Article seems to be relatively well cited, however Oppose Blurb just because someone went to the moon doesn't automatically guarantee them a blurb, as stated above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment People really know nothing about the Apollo program if they think that Tom Stafford was "less important" to it than Neil Armstrong. I'd urge people to actually read the articles on Wikipedia, if nothing else. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, doesn't seem to be big in international news, support RD, I couldn't see anything obvious that was unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 23:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Strong support Blurb and RD - Every Apollo astronaut deserves a blurb, both due to the amount of media coverage, and how significant of an event the Apollo program was. The article is of great quality, and as others have pointed out, even if you set aside the fact that he never landed, Apollo-Soyuz alone makes this worthy enough. He was instrumental to one of the greatest diplomatic feats in modern history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Posted as RD Stephen 21:54, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

March 17

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(Posted) RD: Steve Tensi

Article: Steve Tensi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 136.54.106.177 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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1960s AFL quarterback. Looks decent. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose The first paragraph in the professional career section doesn't have a source for the last 3 sentences. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:52, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @MonarchOfTerror: I added a reference for two of those sentences. There's just one cn now. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
    • It's good enough for RD now. Support. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Moved to March 17 as it appears his death was first announced on that date; otherwise would have rolled off. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Cola Boyy

Article: Cola Boyy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Doc Strange (talk · give credit) and Laterskaterx (talk · give credit)

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American singer and disabled activist. 240F:7A:6253:1:CDAC:81A0:6D5:ED0F (talk) 23:06, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks sufficient but it would be optimal to fix the one cn tag that is present. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

RD: Hennadiy Moskal

Article: Hennadiy Moskal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News Ukrainian, UNN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former govenor of Zakarpattia Oblast and Luhansk Oblast. Jmanlucas (talk) 17:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality for now. I'm working on bringing it up to scratch. Aydoh8 (talk) 23:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• The education, career and awards sections are mostly bullet-points where prose is expected. The short prose on his being governor of two different oblasts has no info on what he did as governor, but start and end dates. Please expand and add prose. There are also a couple of {cn} tags in the existing prose. Please add more REFs. Time is running out for this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 06:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Russian presidential election

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Article: 2024 Russian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Vladimir Putin is elected President of Russia for a fifth term. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Vladimir Putin is announced as the winner of the Russian presidential election, securing a fifth term.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Vladimir Putin is re-elected President of Russia in an election described as non-free and unfair by international observers.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In a predetermined vote, Vladimir Putin is re-elected President of Russia
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/17/world/russia-election-putin-ukraine
Credits:

• Nominated by Saqib (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and TheDraperyFalls (talk · give credit)

Let's prepare to post this as soon as the election results are announced, as it's widely expected that no one other than Putin will emerge as the winner. --Saqib (talk) 19:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support well sourced and an election that happens in a country as large as Russia should always be in ITN Lukt64 (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose dictator wins election again after imprisoning opposition. not notewortht Ion.want.uu (talk) 19:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Ion.want.uu: Don't worry, folks! Pakistan's very own Sikandar Sultan Raja is now in Russia as a foreign observer. Because, you know, who better to bring democracy back to Russia than someone from a country renowned for its flawless electoral processes? --Saqib (talk) 19:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Yep, looks like only hand-picked "observers" were invited who will confirm that black is white. Brandmeister^talk 20:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support once the Kremlin announces the official margin of victory. "Who votes decides nothing. Who counts the votes decides everything." -Joseph Stalin -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Dog bites man and sky is blue again, but added altblurb as it wasn't without electoral frauds yet again. Brandmeister^talk 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support, but would've been funnier to post it before the results were announced. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  I was thinking the same thing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, support on notability There are four cn's and the results section is not complete, but I think this is notable enough (even though it was clearly not a fair election). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both blubs, but I might consider one that acknowledges that those were not free and fair elections. Cambalachero (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Wikipedia:NOTPROPAGANDA. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  I don’t think it’s propaganda to state that Putin won the election. Fairly? Definitely not, but if we include that in the blurb then I don’t see how that’s propaganda 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:84F2:E48D:4482:3D17 (talk) 23:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  The so-called election appears to be a ritual ceremony conducted entirely for propaganda purposes. It's amusing to read about the devices used to encourage the population to play along with it and toe the line. But presenting this as much the same as the Portuguese election is a false equivalence. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  The election itself isn't propaganda, though no doubt some of the things that Putin and the Russian government as a whole have said certainly are. Aydoh8 (talk) 23:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Aydoh8 summed it up. If we make it clear that the election wasn't free and fair then I don't think there's a problem. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I think it is propaganda to say he won the election, because that implies some degree of competition and chance of him losing. BilledMammal (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  It's propaganda to describe it as an election. Coverage and commentators are describing it as a "pseudo-election". This seems a useful term in the same way that pseudoscience pretends to be true science but just fakes it. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a newspaper, we should try to present this in a scholarly way using accurate language. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  As per WP:COMMONNAME, it shoud be described as an elecion. The article refers to it as such, and the vast majority of media sources do as well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support for multiple reasons. Firstly, it’s a presidential election in the largest country in the world. Secondly, a re-election of a person who began invading another country is certainly notable. Thirdly, despite the fact the result was expected, this is widely covered in the news. I don’t mind if the blurb mentions that the election was neither free nor fair, but we should get it up on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support but change blurb The election, whether it was fair or not, keeps the president in power until 2030 and that alone should be significant enough for a blurb. However, we should include something to acknowledge the nature of this election and that other candidates (most notably Boris Nadezhdin) were excluded and other opposition figures are in exile, jail or dead (most notably Alexei Navalny, who was excluded from the previous election). Johndavies837 (talk) 21:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment isn't this ITN/R? Have I missed something? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so. This is not a change in the executive, and I don't think this is the general election (that would probably be the legislative elections). Gödel2200 (talk) 22:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gödel2200: Surely Putin is the executive given that de facto he has absolute power? Legislative election have little significance given he is a dictator. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Putin is the executive, and you're right about the significance of the legislative elections. But the only elections WP:ITNELECTIONS would include for Russia are "The results of general elections" and "Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive." As I said, even though the legislative elections may not be as significant as the presidential one, I think they are considered the general election; see the General election article, which states: "A general election is an electoral process to choose most or all members of an elected body, typically a legislature." Gödel2200 (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support per WP:ITNPURPOSE and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Just because the elections weren't free doesn't mean that they are not in the news and of great international significance. DecafPotato (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: alt-blurb -- Ruler-of-world Putin sparks voters in 29 regions into electronic suffrage. ⚡ -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Alt2 is wholly unappropriate for the ITN box - we're not here to make political points. However, Alt1 is fine in that it is true but doesn't try to call them "elections" as the rest of the democratic world would consider them. --Masem (t) 23:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  If the election has been described as non-free and non-fair and it is a major part of the news reporting, it is absolutely valid to describe it as such, and not a "political point". It would be much more political to label it as an election with the same standing as the Portuguese one. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  This has happened every time the Russian election happens, as well as "elections" that are far from free and open in other countries, and we have generally rejected that call. There is not enough space to give context to that explanation in the blurb in the infobox, that's the job the article should serve. Masem (t) 00:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  You're basically right that a simple blurb serves the purpose better (e.g. "X is (re-)elected president of Y.), but the majority doesn't agree with that view as usual and we're back into the discussion cycle. However, it's irrelevant at this point when some editors oppose this outright, and omitting this would be a bigger shame than posting an indicative blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt3; supported by sources, and reflects that this isn't a free or fair election. BilledMammal (talk) 00:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I also oppose the original blurb and alt1; WP:NPOV applies to ITN, and failing to make clear - like all reliable sources do - that this wasn’t a free and fair election - would violate NPOV. BilledMammal (talk) 01:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  It is not an NPOV violation to not include information. The statement that the elections were far from free or fair is something that should be addressed on the article but where there is more context to explain why they were not considered free or fair. The ITN blurb line is not something to try to force a statement without further context into. Masem (t) 01:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  It can be, per WP:BALASP. The most significant point, based on its weight in reliable sources, is that these elections weren’t free or fair. BilledMammal (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  The most significant point is that Putin was the person that got the most votes from this election process, regardless of how it was run. That the elections were a sham is a major point, but it is a point that has a POV attached to it (one that prescripts to a pro-democracy aspect) that needs context that is inappropriate to try to force into an ITN blurb, it needs the space that an article can give to explain why that's the case and where it can be given due weight. We're talking what can be covered in a dozen some words compared to the unlimited space of article text, and that's where we have to stay to the most objective fact. — Masem (t) 12:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support original blurb. This is the most neutral way to say that Putin has another term in office. It is not our job to comment on the freeness or not of Russia's elections. Natg 19 (talk) 01:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Only the initial blurb is acceptable. There are plenty of countries with equal or worse systems of government compared to Russia which we have posted without commentary. For neutrality’s sake, let’s not have a silly debate over what to call these results. Thriley (talk) 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb2 saying the vote was "predetermined" as in altblurb3 might be interpreted as Wikipedia:SPECULATION since we don't know if the exact results were predetermined, we only know that the overall outcome was suspicious enough for us to guess the outcome of "Putin winning by roughly 80-90%" was probably predetermined. On the other hand, the election is being covered especially for the allegations of electoral misconduct so that should be mentioned. Tube·of·Light 05:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support Obviously, and I plan to point how undemocratic US elections are when they next happen. All that electoral college crap, etc. Yeah, I know. I know. My point is that it's not our job here to describe how democratic or otherwise each country's elections are. HiLo48 (talk) 05:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT1 IMO, ALT1 veers away from unintentionally framing it as a truly democratic election ("is announced as the winner" instead of "is elected"), without crossing too far into RGW/violating NPOV. The Kip 06:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support initial blurb per WP:ITNELECTIONS and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. DecafPotato sums it up nicely. Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 06:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 this best describe the event.

LiamKorda 07:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 -- oppose all other blurbs. It was not a real election and Wikipedia should not pretend that it was. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 08:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Nor should Wikipedia declare in its own voice that it wasn't. That's NOT our job!!!!! HiLo48 (talk) 08:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

But.... it simply wasn't? There's not a values judgment here. The objective reality is the election was neither free nor fair. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Calling the Russian elections not free or fair is not an objective reality. It's is a subjective view that does have wide support of most leaders of democratic nations and of most of the western media, and as such must be given high prevalence in the article per NPOV, but it is not an objective statement. Masem (t) 21:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I'm concerned about a possible precedent, that each and every election needs to be analysed at ITN to decide how free or fair it is. The wording of Alt II seems clunky "non-free and non-fair" - is non-fair a word? Would it be better to say something like "Vladimir Putin claims victory in the Russian presidential election"?AusLondonder (talk) 08:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT3 this is how the news sources are reporting it. This is not about making a political point, it is about accurately reflecting the news that this was a predetermined result. Polyamorph (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT2 or ALT3 all sources are calling it a sham election, and so we should not be portraying it the same way as a fair election, this would violate WP:NPOV. Wikipedia is a tertiary source that follows reliable sources, and all of them are calling it a sham election. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT2. I agree that the initial blurb is lacking adequate context. I could go for ALT3, but I think ALT2 is the most neutral. — Czello ^(music) 09:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt0 or alt1. The article has a few cn tags but nothing that should hold up posting. This was certainly not a fair election, but I don't think we should be putting uncited wording about that into our blurb. The article discusses the accusations - with references. Alt2 would be particularly misleading, because international observers were not allowed to monitor the election! Stick to neutral wording. Modest Genius ^talk 12:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Support ALT3 this blurb is most in line with what actually happened in Russia. Newklear007 (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support ALT3 as it most closely represents the lede in most secondary sources. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 12:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support initial as per DecafPotato. Alts II and III clearly have POV that must be kept off the main page. --LukeSurl ^t c 13:32, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support initial || alt based on the lead of the linked article, said prose doesn't support the strong POVs pushed in a2/a3. Also, this is very much ITN now, and should be posted without further delay. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Posted with alt1. There is consensus to post, but no consensus about which blurb to use, with people disagreeing about whether the blurb should reflect that the election was a sham. Taking this into account, I've chosen alt blurb 1, which tries to strike a balance in this respect. Sandstein 14:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  • @Sandstein: - good blurb, thanks. starship.paint (RUN) 14:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Also thanks to @331dot and Sca:. No response needed. starship.paint (RUN) 14:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  That blurb didn't last long and what's on the main page now reads "Vladimir Putin (pictured) is proclaimed the winner of the Russian presidential election, securing a fifth term." This sounds quite triumphalist and doesn't give the slightest hint that there was any issue with the election. As this reads like it might have been written by the Kremlin, I'm not seeing the balance. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict)

  @331dot: please could you revert to the original version of the blurb? announced as or announced to be are better than this weird proclaimed version that is there now, and the posting admin's choice of blurb here was a good one IMHO.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Also pinging @Schwede66:. Please could we revert to the blurb that was chosen here, rather than fiddling around based on comments made elsewhere?  — Amakuru (talk) 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Fine by me. How about you, 331dot? Schwede66 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I simply responded to a post at WP:ERRORS by Sca; if the editors here want it changed back, do not consider me to be in the way, but I think it is less wordy now. 331dot (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I'd also support "announced" instead of "proclaimed", which has pretty triumphal connotations. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I've changed it back per the discussion here. Stephen 20:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Question - Is having his face on the main page necessary? It's newsworthy, but slowly my monitor gets a burn-in of his face, it's on all websites since a while... 51.154.145.205 (talk) 14:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see why not. Whatever you might think of him, the convention is that we attach a photo to the top story if there's a suitable free one available, and to not do so in this particular case would arguably be a breach of NPOV as well as starting a slippery slope in the form of a fresh area of needless debate and acrimony over which topics qualify for the "distasteful" picture exemption and which don't.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Question Isn't this ITNR per WP:ITNELECTIONS? IntoThinAir (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that this wasn't free and fair makes notability dubious, but considering how important Russia is on the global stage atm I think it's enough. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think there's any stipulation that the elections be "free and fair" to qualify for WP:ITN/R. We routinely do post such stories, even for smaller countries than Russia, and the precise details are usually best left for the article itself rather than trying to make editorial decisions over here at ITN.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah but it gets a little ridiculous. Would we blurb the 2019 Democratic Republic of Korea election? 86.188.241.228 (talk) 17:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

See my comment above. This is neither a change in the executive, nor a general election (one of these needs to occur for it to be ITNR), meaning it is not ITNR. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

But it's Russia, and it doesn't make sense that we wouldn't post the "election" of the leader of a global power and wanted fugitive who is leading a war. The idea that just because Putin was not voted out in his rigged election, that it shouldn't be posted is a poor one. Just as it wouldn't make sense to not post Joe Biden being reelected(if he is). There is not(and should not be) a requirement that an election be free and fair. 331dot (talk) 16:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I absolutely agree that we should post this, regardless of whether this was an unfair election. But the question wasn't whether we should post it, but rather if this is ITNR, which only deals with general elections and changes in the head of state. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

This was a general election. Perhaps not a free and fair one, but it was one nonetheless. ITN/R does not currently have any carve-outs for whether something's free and fair, and I don't think it should.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a pedantic point, but this was NOT a 'general election'. Those are, by definition, elections in which every member of an assembly/parliament/council/whatever is being decided, as opposed to a single member or some fraction of them. This was a presidential election, for a single person. We posted it because that person is both head of state and head of government, not because the election was general. I notice that the wording on ITNR was changed since I last saw it, so it now refers to 'changes' in head of state/government; I think that's a mistake and should also include re-elections. Modest Genius ^talk 17:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Pull current blurb. The election lacks legitimacy, it should not have any air of legitimacy and should reflect the reality that it was neither free nor fair. This is not a POV issue. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• New Rule! For all future elections anywhere we will do a full analysis of the fairness of the elections in that country before posting. This will rule out the USA, because the Electoral College is totally undemocratic, and there are many gerrymanders. Note - the foregoing is satire. It is designed to mock those of you who who want to single out one undemocratic country for special treatment. Faults can be found everywhere. Debating them here is pointless. HiLo48 (talk) 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Stop defending Russia. American elections are considered free and fair by observers, Russian elections are not, you know this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I did not defend Russia. And you completely missed my point. Attacking Russia, or anybody else, is NOT the job of ITN. HiLo48 (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• ITN is not ignoring the concern of the election being fair, just that within the dozen some words for a blurb, it is impossible to go into that and stay with a neutral voice which NPOV also demands. Masem (t) 21:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Reliable sources make it clear that the election wasn’t free & fair, so the failure to mention it in the blurb seems like the NPOV violation. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I oppose this sort of blurb for any election that isn’t free & fair according to reliable sources. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose the current blurb The current blurb doesn’t make it clear that the election wasn’t free & fair. Reliable sources make it clear that the election wasn’t free & fair, so the failure to include that seems like a POV violation. Btw, “announced as the winner” would be better wording than “announced winner”. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Pull blurb since the sources stated this election wasn't free and fair. There's a difference between WP:RGW based on an editor's opinion and actually reflecting what the sources state.

Noah, AA^Talk 21:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment It's pretty clear there is going to be contention with any blurb. Perhaps all that needs to be said is that Putin was declared victorious in a controversial election. Going into any further detail is above and beyond ITN purpose, the article can speak to the controversy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Did we say the last US presidential election was controversial? Many said far worse about it. HiLo48 (talk) 22:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the blurb should be changed. Reliable sources are stating how this is a "rubber stamped" election, that there was no credible opponent, that this was a predetermined result. The blurb should reflect that, there is nothing POV or political about the truth (unless the intention is to twist it). Polyamorph (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It is totally political to single out this particular undemocratic election for special mention. Which other elections did we do that for? HiLo48 (talk) 22:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• Pull parroting Kremlin's line that this was an election is simply further propelling Russian propaganda. An election, even when not entirely free and fair, implies some level of genuine contest, which this event did not contain. At the barest minimum, we must add a qualifier such as 'Putin claims victory in an election widely characterised by independent observers to have been unfree.' Melmann 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Is this the only election you want that done for? There are plenty of other less than perfect ones in the world. HiLo48 (talk) 23:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this thread. Polyamorph (talk) 06:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Don't pull, but add a mention of the criticism by international observers. It's not NPOV to report a contested claim unqualified, and I would much rather see more regular mention of this kind of thing when we post election results. (Yes, including when it applies to western nations that are more commonly regarded as democracies.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Don't Pull, But picture one of the previously unpictured Oscar winners instead. Or two, the Best Supporting Actor then Best Actor. The aforementioned burn-in threat is real. And no, this isn't Putinphobia. I suggested as much back when Luis Montenegro was seen winning, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Support this, but should we say whether the Oscar results were described as free and fair by international observers? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 11:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Their overlords made a grave mistake by robbing Frank Langella in '88, but that doesn't make them graverobbers. It just makes them partial to Michael Douglas. Which is fine, if you're into that. I think people generally know how the KGB, WWE and MPAA roll, and no amount of wordiness will change where most sit. Anyway, however far this proposal gets, I hope ITN pictures a woman next, no matter who. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• I'm going to put my ruling down as something unconventional. I'm voting facepalm. What are we doing here gang? Firstly, the only reason this isn't ITN/R is because of some odd technicality that we started applying recently that elections of the head of state alone where the head of state remains the incumbent are apparently not ITN/R. That alone is tenuous as it is. But the real issue here is the fact that we're splitting hairs over posting the re-election (whether free and fair or not) of one of the most powerful people in the world is worthy of ITN? I mean, how on Earth is it not? Putin is still the president of Russia. This isn't propaganda, it's just a fact. None of us here actually believe it was free or fair, however this is everywhere in the article. Why then is it an issue that we don't have an effective formality in the blurb when any reader will know this fact pretty much as soon as they click on the target article. C'mon gang. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  I’m fine w/posting a blurb. However, I think a blurb needs to mirror reliable sources & mention that the election wasn’t free & fair. A blurb that doesn’t mention that is misleading & I consider it a problem to have a blurb that makes Russia’s election sound similar to Portugal’s election. A lot of people who see the blurb won’t necessarily click on the article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Pull and replace with Altblurb 3 The nature of the election should reflect how it is being discussed/referred to by major news sources. The lack of this caveat makes the election seem like any other ITNR election we've featured in the past few months, whereas in reality this one is different - I know some editors are engaging in whataboutism on that front, but the reality is that this election is highly distinguishable in terms of how it has been referred to by sources re: whether it was free and fair. The current blurb actively misleading by omission. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Leave as is. There have been disputed or dubious elections throughout Wikipedia's history, but it's never been our policy to attempt to editorialise blurbs or include nuance in a single sentence that's best found in the article. Bottom line is that the election is in the news, it's still being described as an election in sources despite the apparent lack of fairness, and we always use the same sort of boilerplate blurb for these regardless.  — Amakuru (talk) 01:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  We can obviously post nuanced blurbs because we have one right now — the Portuguese result is qualified to indicate that the nominal winner doesn’t have a majority. And the bit about the fifth term is a nuance too. And when Sandstein posted this blurb, he clearly stated that he was choosing one with a nuance that provided some balance. So, the idea that ITN has a rigid, inflexible format is quite mistaken. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Use original blurb - what's the reason for the convoluted "announced as the winner" instead of just "wins" or "is elected"? Banedon (talk) 02:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt2 or alt3. Anything that suggests there was the possibility of some other outcome is dishonest. --Carnildo (talk) 03:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Remove "securing a fifth term" If the outcome was predetermined, then neither the announcement nor the election actually "secured" his presidency. And the 2018 blurb didn't even mention the number of terms. I'd suggest just dropping this part altogether.—Bagumba (talk) 03:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  I think you might be thinking of a different word, since we can only secure what we already have, but if it's that unusual, yeah, go without it. Or just say Putin wins his fifth Russian presidential election. The latter kind of makes it sound like we're calling him a winner, of course, but it's shorter. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  My dictionary says "succeed in obtaining (something), especially with difficulty". A common theme above is that it had already been obtained.—Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Mine says "put beyond hazard of losing". Among other things, too, including something like you're saying. Seems to more fit the verb I'd call "win", but whatever, words are weird. I stand corrected. Carry on! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  What's wrong with calling him a winner? He won the election. Even if something is rigged, there is a winner and loser(s). Natg 19 (talk) 05:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Still, the word connotes what it does and (if I'm reading the room correctly) is a designation best announced by some unspecified other. It's not how I would write it. But it's the wording we got. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  Technically he could only secure his position as president if he won the election, even if he has full control of the political system. I suppose it is just a formality. But I think the number of terms is important to mention to show that he is president-for-life at this point. Mellk (talk) 06:06, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

  I've seen one source describing it as "cementing his fifth term", which could be an alternative phrasing for this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Pull. There wasn't a consensus for this blurb; while most editors wanted something posted, there was too much explicit opposition to Alt1 and Alt0 for consensus for them to emerge. BilledMammal (talk) 06:33, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment You all are invited to discuss about Legitimacy of Elections and Amendment to ITNELECTIONS Harvici (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Keep it happened, it's in the news, your feelings about Putin are irrelevant. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

This isn't about our feelings, anon. It's about the opinions of recognised professionals in the field, whose opinions were sufficiently unanimous and strongly expressed that they formed part of the headlines themselves about this election in reliable sources around the world. It's not NPOV to ignore that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Reword securing a fifth term. The current wording erroneously implies that the outcome of the election was not predetermined. Alternatives include gaining a fifth term (used in the article), cementing a fifth term (as suggested above) or something like His fifth term as president begins on 7 May 2024. —St.Nerol (talk, contribs) 13:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Alt II. Most of my news feed mentions the corruption in the headlines. FWIW it's a reasonably diversified feed in English, French, and Bokmal running the spectrum from Fox News and the like to various leftist sources. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 15:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Post Posting Support an important election that is in the news, why wouldn't we keep it? Everybody knows that the election was rigged, not a huge shocker, but still a significant outcome. We should replace the current blurb with the alt3 blurb though. Hungry403 (talk) 17:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose current blurb This wording implies a free and fair election; if included, it should be 100% clear that the election was not free and fair and is simply a corrupt election (as pretty much every major news organization has done). We should not be giving legitimacy to the dictator's little show. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  It's a big show. With plenty of free tickets. Like the current Wikipedia front page. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  Then we should make it clear that it was rigged bit of showboating. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 19:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

  This is In The News. The news is that Putin is again/still President. That the election may well have been a sham election is not current news. That would be a WP:COATRACK issue. HiLo48 (talk) 01:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Alt Blurb Shameful to imply this was a legitimate election. What about reliable sources? Every reliable source admits it was a sham. JDiala (talk) 01:21, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

We are not implying anything. HiLo48 (talk) 01:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2024 Women's Premier League (cricket) final

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Article: 2024 Women's Premier League (cricket) final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Royal Challengers Bangalore win the 2024 Women's Premier League final (player of the final Sophie Molineux pictured) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Created by Wowlastic10 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cric editor (talk · give credit), Ktin (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit), MNWiki845 (talk · give credit) and PS10330055 (talk · give credit)

• Comment Not one of the 5 INTR cricket items, so many not be one to feature, but regardless, far too little prose to qualify in quality. --Masem (t) 17:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. Changed the bold article to the finals article rather. Have added prose summary for the finals. Also, minor correction / context on the above message. There is only one women's cricket WP:ITNR item currently, not five. Ktin (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as a cricket fan, I've noticed the level of coverage in news source on this is nowhere near as high as the ones on ITNR e.g. the men's IPL. And the coverage is also lower than the 2023 inaugural edition of this event, which I don't think would have managed to reach the threshold either. Also, the final article is sparce, and the main event article is terrible, as it has no actual tournament prose. Therefore, I'm opposing both on importance and notability. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Final article is the bolded one. Ktin (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  And it's not quite up to standard. And that doesn't swing me on notability either. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Substantiate? The only thing missing in the finals article was the prose update, which was added. Ktin (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  There is nothing to say what is missing in the finals page. Ktin (talk) 00:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Notability is never in question. If not notable, there would be no article. If you are implying that the women's event is not of the same category of importance of the men's event -- you should state it as such. I disagree with that, fwiw. Ktin (talk) 21:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  The 2023 final was merged into the main article despite having more coverage than this article, but by notability in my previous comment I mean ITN notability/importance. This doesn't meet the high threshold that ITN has for these events. And the women's coverage does not get the same level of the coverage currently as the men's equivalent event that is ITNR- I have already stated this, and this is in spite of it being the biggest women's domestic level cricket competition. Posting this in spite of less coverage would seem like an attempt to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Inaugural editions benefit from two kinds of coverage -- coverage re: the inauguration of the edition, and coverage re: the event itself. Subsequent editions have the latter alone. Ktin (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and notability. The article for the final has an unreferenced scorecard section, and this seems to be a domestic tournament with relatively low notability. Gödel2200 (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  Scorecard is sourced right above. But, added a separate source again. Ktin (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the sourcing quality of this article is also pretty poor in places. The whole background section has a general website link [11] not to specific pages, and lots of the text for the match is sourced only to the scorecard [12]- this should be updated to proper news articles about the match, of the standard of the BBC article that's the only other source used in the match summary section. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on significance. Even most cricket fans weren't aware that this competition exists, let alone watched the final. If we're going to post a women's cricket event, it should be the Women's Cricket World Cup, which gets broader attention. This event is a domestic tournament in only its second season. If/when it achieves the prominence of any of the men's tournaments we already post, then we should add it to the ITNR list. Until then, this is laudable but not appropriate for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 12:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  Just going to say it is hard to demand that a women's competition already get high levels of attention before allowing us to give it attention. I've not looked at the article so will not add a view on the nom, but most of Wikipedia tries hard to counter bias and this comment argues for the opposite. Kingsif (talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

  I take your point, but posting in ITN does not drive attention in the popular media, broadcasters etc. I'm not demanding that the WPL reach the same level as the men's IPL, but it does need to be among the most covered cricket tournaments (of any gender) to justify being in the small number that we post. There are sports where that near-parity has been achieved (tennis, athletics etc.); it is unfortunate that cricket isn't one of them but that's not ITN's fault. Modest Genius ^talk 15:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

• I am not quite happy with the source usage in the article. Somehow, 80% of the prose of the article is cited to two tables of data (at BBC and ESPN). The writing is great, but to me it ends up feeling like a type of original research to write so much beautiful detail based purely on raw data. I would hope some professional commentators have written about the match after the fact and given their own interpretations of the flow of the competition. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Steve Harley

Article: Steve Harley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ajsmith141 (talk · give credit), Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English singer/songwriter. Article isn't bad at all but has some uncited statements. Black Kite (talk) 13:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support, comprehensive article, very well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support, ready for RD. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Well cited and written.Jusdafax (talk) 01:47, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Could this nomination please be reviewed? BangJan1999 15:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• I would love to help, but I nominated it! Anyone else? Black Kite (talk) 15:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 17:23, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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